Afroman Tells His Life Story (Unreleased Full Interview)

0:00All right, Afro Man was going to the flat TV. All right, all right. All right, all right. I've been seeing a lot of good interviews on it. You know what I'm saying? I can't. I can't remain interviewed me yet. Here we go. I mean, we just saw each other at the Snoop Dogg roast. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was funny. Real funny. It wasn't a back ducking. Then before that, I think we saw each other at the players ball. I think like earlier in the year. Okay, yeah, that was not this year, but last year probably. Last year, yep. Yes, time's going fast. That's what it is. I can grasp on all your success. Thank you. Thank you. Let's start in the beginning. So you grew up in LA. You're known for Palmdale, but you actually grew up in South Central? Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Okay. It was actually like 69th Street and Harvard, which is a block from Western, which is a few blocks away from Normandy. So it's like, yeah, yes, you know, South Central, you know,

1:02that's where I came from, 69th and Harvard, 69th and Western. Now, I remember this was during the Napster days. I started downloading your stuff. You know, first I got, because I got high, but then I started getting all the other songs, and it was like, oh, this dude is dope. And this was like, probably like 98 or something? Not that early. 99, 2000? Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's going to be 2000. Yeah, definitely 2000, because like a little after, it's going to be 2001. It's going to be like January, February, 2001. I got a deal in 2000 and like around Aprilish, you know what I'm saying? I kind of got a, like around March, Aprilish, I got my deal in 2000. Okay. But I remember actually hearing your stuff before the deal. Before anyone heard about it. That's what happened. You know, like at first I was selling them on the street. Like, you know, I was just an old school, you know, hustling in the end.

2:04Like I didn't know about computer. I didn't have a computer. I didn't know about the internet and none of that. So I was selling them on the street, you know what I'm saying? So these girls from Hattiesburg took me to New Orleans. And it was the first raid I ever seen. You know, I never seen one, you know what I'm saying? You know, once I got there, you know what I'm saying? I was trying to sell the CDs and nobody would buy them. And I kind of got frustrated. I didn't want to tote the boxes around. I had been hustling like a long time. And it was getting to that point to where it was time for them to pay off. Or I needed to look face another reality. I need to do it for fun at parties here and there. And I need to go get a job or something like that. So I just started giving them away. So all those kids, they took the CDs home and they uploaded it on a computer. You know what I'm saying? And they put it on national. I didn't know nothing about it. I gave away like 500 CDs that night.

3:04I didn't even care. I just kind of gave up. And it was because I got high CD and I just handed it out. But like the kids, they could pop pills and drink bottled water in there but they couldn't smoke in the place. So they was going out to their cars to smoke like joints or whatever. So they had to take the CD down there, pop it in. And they was flipping out over the song. And they had come back in like buying me all kinds of beers. And I was happy. They was liking it. And people were starting to speak to me and say, what up or whatever. But I was still a broke. But I was still happy to get the recognition. So I left that night, went back to Hattiesburg. And like within like 48 hours, like the guy I did consignment with at the record store, he was telling me that universal records had been called. And they wanted me to come to New York. They was putting up everything. This didn't the other. But what I didn't realize what happened was all those little kids went home and put those CD.

4:04They put like 500 of those CDs up on Napster. And it went around the world like in 48 hours. To the point where Howard Stern was getting it. Everybody was getting it. And then they was talking about it in universal, you know, gave me a record from Napster. So it's like Napster was like good promotion for me. Like, you know, like I didn't have enough money to advertise my stuff on a radio spot or to say the Super Bowl is being sponsored by Afro Man. But Napster was like this free promotion that really opened the door. Right. Yeah, because that's how I found the song and then the rest of the album. Like on Napster, I just kept seeing it over and over again. So I started downloading it. And I'm like, oh, this is not going to work. But I think I'm the first like internet rapper to like guy to make it like like just go from the internet and then make it. You know what I'm saying? Right. I mean, because were you before soldier boy? Yes. Okay. So soldier boy was one of the first. So you were before him.

5:04So you actually were the first. Yeah. Like, like that's it. You know what I'm saying? Like everybody else knew Dr. Dre or something. You know what I'm saying? Like this just went around, you know, got viral. I went viral. I was viral before there was a viral. You know what I'm saying? Viral before viral. Yeah. That's exactly what it is. Okay. So you put this song together. And you talked about how you spent like two minutes putting it together. Yeah. Like I was telling everybody I had like this. I had this, you know, you smoke blood and you turn to this philosopher. So I'm hanging out with all these dudes going to college and stuff. And we have in these deep conversations with these bloods. You know, we're these philosophers. So I had this own experiment. You have seen trading places. Yeah. You know, sometimes like those these rich smart dudes that have these experiment. Like I don't care about hereditary versus environment.

6:06You know, like he's so in my mind, my hereditary versus environment was simplicity versus complexity. You know what I'm saying? So it's like what I was thinking was I thought I was working too hard. I was playing musical football and I really wanted to play musical golf. You know, and then to do just as much damage. So like you got Bohemian rap city, right? Then you got don't worry. Be happy. Now sweat for sweat and music knowledge. We all think possibly Bohemian rap city should it should have more views. They should have more money because they they got more education. They got more this all kind of music theory and that. That stuff was a masterpiece. But then you got don't worry. Be happy. It's simple. He's a little song guy root, you know, family. So anyway, I had all these rap songs. I wrote all of this stuff. And I thought I was K.I.S.1. I'm like a real MC. I'm talking all this shit. But I'm not really getting paid. Then I thought, I'ma just sing a song.

7:08And I had been really smoking a lot of blood. And I realized that I have all kind of plans. I say, I'ma do this. I'ma do that. Then I smoke a joint. And I play some music. Next thing you know, the sun's dropping. Girls is coming over. Come on, we just thought I didn't do none of that shit. I had a great damn day. And then I was not. So even though it took me like two minutes and 11 seconds to write the song, it took me about six months to realize that once I lit up that joint, I wasn't doing as much as I would like to do. Not that the next man can't. But me personally, I'm a natural procrastinator without the blood. And then after I smoke it, I get to have it a good time. And I'm just happy and stuff slips in my mind. You know what I'm saying? So that's just, you know, my personal results of my own smoking experience. So I wrote because I got high. It took me like six months to realize, hey, I better watch it after I smoked that joint

8:11because I might miss something important. But it took me two minutes and I was like, I was like, room. At first before I wrote it out, I was like, room class. And then some of the stuff, I could look at a buddy and I could bicariously like I didn't go to college or nothing. But my homeboys did. And we'd be chilling and laughing too. He didn't go to, I didn't do it. I didn't go to the studio. He didn't go to class. You know, we didn't, we all laughed and smoked this joint. You know, so I wrote the song, yeah, two minutes left. So the song goes viral on Napster. Right. And then the Universal Deal happened afterwards. Right. Right. Okay. So you sounded a deal to Universal. And what point does it get picked up by the Jay and Silent Bob movie? It all happened at once, man. What I think happened was, I think, I don't know because I didn't have cable. I was in the ghetto, but I was doing my thing. I was trying to come up.

9:11But it all hit me like a bomb. Like the door opened up and there was everybody. Howard Stern, everybody, you know. So like, I think Howard Stern got it off the internet and was playing it. Jay and Silent Bob had just did a movie. They thought the song would work good with their movie. Then they wanted, they, Jay and Silent Bob wanted to do a video with me. They had just finished their movie. And they liked that song. They're in that, they're in that original video with me. I didn't know who they were. I was totally ignorant of who they were. I didn't know who they were. Everybody was flipping out all around me. I didn't have a clue, you know what I'm saying? And he was like, he's like this brilliant, like, you know, director. But anyway, they wanted to be in the video. And I think once they wanted to, I think that's kind of what made Universal just more stuff like, and there was more people that I got to remember, like, they wanted me on the talk shows, like Craig, Killborn.

10:12And so all of these people wanted me. I didn't even know. It's just out there on the computer just doing this thing. And I think Universal is seeing that. And that's when they, they realized the money was already there. And they sent for me, you know what I'm saying? So. Right. And the song blew up. It was like number one on the charts, like, all over the world. Like, I started looking through some of these lists. And it's like, it was like in Australia, this country, that country, and England, and everything. Like, you had a number one worldwide hit. Yeah. Yeah. How did that feel? Unimaginable. Like, I would have been, I would have been, you know, tickled to death if I could have been like what I call a regional rapper. Like, you know, usually a rapper holds down his region. He holds down his coast. You know what I'm saying? That's where everybody's going to fill him. The slaying in the jargon really doesn't go out of three states.

11:13You know what I'm saying? So first of all, I want, I would have been happy being a good hood rapper. Just a rapper you want. If everybody always asks me to rap at their parties, I'd love that. Then you want to be a good city rapper. Like, if you could throw a concert in a city, then there's a good state rapper. Then there's a regional rapper, just a West Coast rapper or East Coast rapper or Down South rapper. If you can, I would have been tickled to death with just a region. But, you know, a worldwide, I didn't imagine a worldwide hit. That scared me. Like, I didn't know how to take it. I was like, like that early, the early days, I'm walking around in like a state of shock. Like, you know, I'm having fun now. But, you know, I was in, you know, it was too late. You know, I'm looking down the list. You were number one in Australia, Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Germany, Ireland, New Zealand, Norway, and the UK. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Crazy. You know, that's beyond my understanding, too. You know, I mean, God, that's cool.

12:13It's like the Macarena, you know. Wow. Well, baby got back. I tell everybody, because I got high, as baby got, I said, because I got high, as baby got back, as little brother. You know what I'm saying? Like, you actually got nominated for Grammy. Oh, man. It's, you know, like I said, once it went past three states, it's all downhill, like, gravy from there. Like, everything else was just unbelievable. Sometimes I think I'm gonna just wake up, you know, from like a pothead dream. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, it's a beautiful thing. When I put up, you know, when I went to Google and put weed songs, you came up number one. But there's also Cypress Hill, like hits from the bond. What did Dr. Green, Dr. Green thumbs, another good one? Did it, I did it, because I got high, come up above those. Yep. Yeah, you were number one on the list. All right, man. You know, it's so, you know, I hate to, I don't like, you know, being arrogant and cocky, you know more. You know, of course, everybody thinks their music is, it's your music.

13:16You know, you love your music, you know, so that's my song. I love my song. There's so many creative people out there, you know, I don't, I don't know where to put it, you know. But, like I said, you know, it's good stuff. You know, I think I'm the first one to really talk about the, the effect of it. Everybody can talk about, like, you know, riding down the street, smoking, indos, sipping up. Okay. That's cool, but likely. You know, we know the effect of alcohol, you know, I drunk it all. I got you drunk. I couldn't stand up. But, no, I don't think nobody really you talked about, like, you know, the possible effect of smoking too much blood. Kids that don't smoke weed, they can just like the melody. But, like, it's like an inside joke. Everybody that really get high can really, like, ah, then they say, oh, that's Johnny or that's it. Okay, you know what I'm saying? So, you know, it's kind of like, I connected with everybody that know about that effect possibly, you know what I'm saying.

14:16So, have you always smoked weed? Or was there a time where you actually stopped? Uh, uh, yes. I didn't always smoke weed. I used to be a nutrient grain, man. I used to play sports. I used to, you know, any kind of smoking I thought. I remember the, um, the first I had moved from South Central L.A. up to Palmdale. And I met the first hippie dude I ever met in my life. Like, I live in these apartments right next to Palmdale High School. And I would hop defense to go to school. They told us not to do it. But of course I do it. It was just shorter. And there was a Lucky's on the corner. And then my apartment building was behind the Lucky's. So, as I was hopping the fence, the, the stoner dude was between the wall to the school and Lucky's. And he was smoking a joint. And I, I thought the tight eye shirts was whacked. I just, you know, I just, I didn't get him, you know, I didn't know. So, I was playing football. I thought I was all hard and tough and everything. So, I said, men don't smoke that.

15:17I said, men don't smoke that. She didn't make you stupid. And he was like, are you speaking from experience? You know, I just thought that was funny as hell. You know, after that. And I was like my first hippie friend. But like, I didn't smoke weed until like, um, but I thought I dropped out of Palmdale High School. And like, I was, I didn't have enough money for beer one time. And let's do it like, you know, hit this, you know. And I was ready to ease my mind in any kind of way. So, I started smoking weed like around 18. I was a late bloomer like 18, 19. But then I didn't smoke every day. I didn't really start smoking until I went to Mississippi. Like, I started smoking like, biggie. Smalls, back to back, elves. You know, like when I was probably like 25, 23, 25, 25. You know, I was a late weed. I kind of, you know, after, you know, after I got out of high school and everything. I was out there in the real world trying to make things happen. To keep from going crazy and calming down. It was, it was the beer and the bud really helped me out.

16:19So, the one thing I noticed about your first album is there was a lot of crypt themes all throughout. And I think, you know, one of the verses was also talking about how your mom moved you out of South Central, the Palmdale, to get away from the gang situation. Like, how bad did it get? Like, how deep were you into it into the whole crypt then? Okay. Like, I was born in LA. But as a child, like around five, we moved to Mississippi. Then like, I came back at like 11. And that's usually the gang entering stage is around 13. You usually, in LA, you know, a good full-blooded LA boy is usually from an authentic gang around 13. He's from, he's like the real deal. So like, you know, like, when I got back to LA, everything was coming at me real fast.

17:24My favorite color was red. You know, red's a beautiful color. You know, blue is dull. Like, what the fuck were I with a bunch of blue on for, you know what I'm saying? And I didn't get it, you know. And you know, the cats was calling me a slide. And they was saying they was going to jump on me because I had on this color jacket. I had to put everything together and figure out what was going on. Best I could. You know what I'm saying? So when I got there, I realized that they had these ranks for respect. You know, there was, there was the, there was all kind of different people in the hood. You had to Christian people, but I felt like if people thought I was a Christian, they was going to get me wrong. They was going to think they really could slap me and I was going to turn the other cheek. Like, I'd be nice to you, but let's not get it twisted. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, even though my parents was Christians, I didn't want to get ran over. You know what I'm saying?

18:24I didn't realize God would magically work things out or to the point where you don't even have to live like that. But, you know, I just, you know, it just looked like certain people in the street are run over you. So, there was that and then there was regular people, regular civilians. And then there was one of these guys that wanted to be or portrayed the gangsters, but actually wasn't. Then there was the actual gangsters and I realized the actual gangsters got respect. And this then, you know, so as a little boy, I'm not, you know, a little boy wants to play football. He wants to do everything dangerous. Little boy thinks he's a cowboy superhero. He grew up a little bit, you know, so I was a little boy, you know what I'm saying? And I'm inside central, you know, I'm not no punk. I don't, I don't want to live no life. But, God's thinking that they could just run over me all day, every day. So, whatever I thought I had to be to get respect, you know, that's what I wanted to be.

19:25So, you know, a lot of gangs jump you in. You know what I'm saying? But, you know, you know, I stayed in the H. Ray Gangster neighborhood. And, you know, I didn't never, I never saw nobody get jumped in. It's like, you know, they just tell you, hey, come hang out, you in. And when it's time to do something, it's just time to do something, you know what I'm saying? So, I was the only child. So, I saw a brotherhood and a camaraderie. You know, I liked the walk. I liked the talk. I liked it all. So, I was in it real quick. I started claiming the neighborhood and everything was good. I was in elementary school. Our neighborhood, the H. Ray Gangster shared that elementary school with the Hoover Crips. And, at that time, the two gangs was like getting along at that time.

20:27You know what I'm saying? I don't know. I don't even know what's going on in LA right now. I've been gone. That school was cool. You know, when I went there, everybody was homeless. We all played basketball. And if we fought, it was just all love. It was just neighborhood existence, you know. But then I had to go to Horse Man. And the H. Ray Gangsters have an arch rival called the Rolling Sixties. You know what I'm saying? And this school is like two blocks. Like the H. Ray Hood. Kind of big. Kind of go from Western to Gage to Normandy. Own up to the back part of Century. You know, it's like this back west hood of H. Ray. They expanded over the years. But then 83rd Street is like the center of it all. You know, LA, you know, whatever. It's got the number street. So it's like, but two blocks from Western and 69th where I stayed. They was busing in these kids.

21:29And these kids was coming from the west side. Those were all Rolling Sixties. So even though my hood was two blocks away, I'm in a school full of Rolling Sixties. You know, gangs got little nicknames for their rivals. So the Rolling Sixties called H. Ray's Tramps. And the Tramps called the H. Ray's called the Sixties. Sixties. Sixties. Like they walk up to it. Hey, you from Sissy. You know. And then you, the Rolling Sixties, you get offended and he'll do whatever. Or vice versa. That's what they do. So Soughton Pepper had this song out called Tramp. You know what I'm saying? And the Rolling Sixties love that song. Do-do-do. What you call me Tramp? They had crossed out of 83rd Street on the wall and they're right. What you call me and put Tramp and put 60. And it was this big rivalry when I got to the city. You know, like if I went to jail and there was a blood in the Rolling Sixties and a cell,

22:31I'd possibly get along with the blood and me in the sixties and probably go at it. That's how bad it was. So it's like, I went to Horace Man and it was just okay to be a Rolling Sixties. And it was just okay to disrespect my neighbor. I was sitting there like, I had this dude named Junior and this dude named Tuton. They started like, I was they little homie. They started like taking me in, rolling, you know, helping me out, whatever. And I started having love for the hood as they call it. So I wasn't tripping, but I just noticed how everybody was, yeah, give me Tramp Dollars. And you know, Tramp this and Tramp that. And so one day this dude, he was walking around and everybody, they called it set tripping. And he was asking everybody in class where they was from, you know. And this whole, everybody, it was just cool to claim Rolling Sixties. Like, you know, it was like a fat or a trend. Like it was like mainstream to claim Rolling Sixties.

23:32It's even in an ice cubes movie. They get all kind of mentions. They, you know, it's like, but you know, you know, boom. So this dude was walking out of aisle. He was like, where you from? And it was, they was like, what's that? Rolling Sixties. Everybody was just saying they was from Rolling Sixties. And he was working as he was like, that's right. That's right. He was working his way down the aisle. Action there. Where you from? What's that? Rolling Sixties. Yeah. I'm sitting there. I'm about to throw up. I'm way over another and back part. And he walks up. He walks up. He walks up there. Everybody rest there. Rolling Sixties. I'm like, dude, please. I'm not going to be a butt, but I'm back into my, I'm like, please don't ask me nothing. He walks up to me. He's like, where you from? I said, a tray mother fucking gangster crib. My dad said, you can hear a mouse piss on cotton. I thought he was going to fight right there. And he was like, all right, all right.

24:34And he went set down. And like, you know, you supposed to get down once the information is given. But he didn't do that, you know. So now I was ready to jump him right there. But now I think I might have made a mistake because I didn't told him where I was from. And he ain't doing nothing. I don't mind. You know, my butterflies is going crazy. I don't know what's up now, you know. So we go to lunch. He started telling all these rolling six. Man, that's right. So nobody jumps me right away. I'm ready to go. But like, they go get like the biggest rolling 60 at the school. Like in the ninth grade. I'm only in the seventh. I just checked in this place, you know. And this dude was even, he didn't flunk the couple of times. This was like a grown man in junior high school. He like buffed. And he walks over to me. And I noticed one thing L.A. taught me. Like I had this dude, you know, I got some motherhood story. But before all this, I had this dude just punched me one time.

25:37Like kind of like, kind of like, what's that dude name in Friday that said, oh, you're right over here. D-bo. D-bo. I got D-bo. Before we all know, everybody in L.A. got a D-bo. And they're like, every hood got a D-bo. That's just, you know, that's common. So I had this dude knocking. And when you get knocked out like that, you never forget it. I come out of my class. This dude standing there. And he's like, hey, cuss. I'm walking out of my belly ring. I walk out of my class. You know, I'm like walking. He got his tank top on. His arms all swollen up. He like, cuss. I heard you was from Trump. So like, right away, I punched this dude like six times. Fast as I can. And then I run like hell. So he can't really see where he. I know he can kick my butt. But right now, he can't even know he's bigger than me. I punched him first. And like, you know, like, he can give me butter. He got to deal with his visions kind of blare. He's a little off right now. You know what I'm saying?

26:37So I take soft. And I ran home. And I was like, dead. I'm not going to that school down there. You know, we talk about the whole school. It just don't make sense. You know, like, their school. And then there's life and death. And society don't realize the life and death situation. So before I go down there and die, I'll just hang out in the streets and be an uneducated man. You know what I'm saying? You don't understand what I'm going through, Dad. You're saying the, you're saying the tarantulas are the scorpions that was back in Texas that had their own jackets. We talking about kids with machine guns. This is some shit, Daddy. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? It's like, you know, I just told him like, Dad, I can't go to horseman. I even got a song called, I can't go to horseman. It's the interpolation of, I want to be your man, Roger and Zapp. I'm like, I can't go to horseman. I can't go to horseman.

27:38So I told my, you know, I don't think my dad understood. I didn't complain. I just went out in the street and handled mine. And so my dad, like, how come you can't go to that school? I'm like, Dad, it's just a gang of rolling 60s up there. I mean, like, they know I'm from H. Ray. Just nothing. The other, I'm like, I can't pull 365 days out of that place. Everybody handled their life. Daddy went to work, handled his life, came home, paid the bills. Mom went to work, handled her life. I went to school and handled my life. I didn't want to come home. Boom. Just then I went out there and handled mine, came back home. But once he realized what was going on and where we was at, then I didn't tell him to. He just said, OK, he had the money. He didn't know it was that bad, you know what I'm saying? So he bought a place up in Palmdale, you know what I'm saying? President Barack Obama. Virginia, we are counting on you. Republicans want to steal enough seats in Congress to raid the next election and wield unchecked power for two more years. But you can stop them by voting yes by April 21st.

28:40Help put our elections back on a level playing field and let voters decide not politicians. Vote yes by April 21st. Paid for by Virginians for fair elections. You actually put Palmdale on the map. I had never heard, because I grew up in the Bay Area. I had never heard of Palmdale until you had that song, Palmdale, come back to me. Yeah, come back to me. It was really good because I could walk around without, I mean, it was random gang bangers up there and stuff would jump off randomly, but it wasn't like LA where I had to really worry about walking around. You know what I'm saying? But you know, like I was a little one of VG and that's just that come with, you know, you want to dress out, you know, that life come with it. You know what I'm saying? But in Palmdale, I didn't have to worry about that. And then I started playing sports. Like the sports was taking the energy that the gang banging was taking. You know, it's all athletic, running from the cops, running for your life.

29:40We'll run this football there. I can't just dunk the damn. Oh, okay. Now you can actually do something with your sweat, you know. So I was getting in sports and then I was learning smarter alternate ways of handling my problems, you know. You know, people was philosophizing and talking to me and I was being enlightened. I started, I was around more than just one type of thing. Like, you know, everybody go to where I was just, I mean, the hood, that was it. You know, if I'm in the hood, that's what I'm seeing. I'm seeing, I mean, and the people that's doctors and lawyers in the hood, they not stopping to talk to me. They got back from their office. They're going to bed. They're not hanging out with me, having a beer at the end of the day. Like, you know, but then the guy that dressed so some, some, some, some rocks, he is. He like, yeah, you know, he goes 40 for you, man. And tomorrow is going to be better. So I'm in it. But when I got to Palmdale, I was around a whole bunch of different stuff. So I had a chance to, I can focus on writing a song.

30:41I could, you know, like, my parents didn't want me to wander around. Like, I had a whole other different set of problems at Palmdale. But I could deal with those, you know what I'm saying? All I had to do was kind of stay off the streets, just be where I'm supposed to be, do what I'm supposed to do. Then everything's all right. But you could do what you're supposed to do in LA and something's still bad happening. So my parents told me, my mom told me, stay in the house. You know, they had any other, so they bought me this recording equipment. So that was my way of robbing them in the, or getting them to let me stay in the house, you know what I'm saying? So I thought I got the recording equipment, start making tapes. And I could go to school, sell the tapes, generate a little life for myself out there. Cool. So I got on to, started getting into the rapper thing. And, you know what I'm saying? The rest is history. Yeah, yeah. So I met you originally, the players ball. And when I looked through your Instagram, there's sort of like a pimped thing that seems to be going on.

31:43Like, how connected are you with pimping? Man, you know what I'm saying? I know about it. You know, my biggest dollar, my biggest dollar is in rap music. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, I've had some girls give me some money, and you know, I could have that happen. You know what I'm saying? But I'm not going to, you know, it's not going to be as much as rap music. I'm a rapper, you know what I'm saying? But I'm a fan of the pimped. I like any successful man. Everybody wants to be a successful business person. So a pimped is like a ghetto symbol of a successful business person, with some sarcasm to help you laugh with beer at the end of the day. At my lowest for, you know, I'm still going to come out on top, you know what I'm saying? So, but I like the way they dress, you know what I'm saying? Like the cars. You know, the gang banger got to have all his homeboys.

32:43But, you know, a pimped can just fix itself up and go on handle his business. You know what I'm saying? So he's his own man. He's his own dude. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, man, you know what I'm saying? I'm all about, I just like making money, you know what I'm saying? I like making a profit. I don't like taking no losses. And I like the way a pimped think as far as business is concerned. And they got these little jokes. And when times get hard, a pimped in the ghetto is inspiration to a financially struggling thug. Like when I have a hard time, I can, we can joke and say a pimped line, something we heard a pimped say. I don't need it. I let the welfare feeder. You know what I'm saying? Your girl giving you problems. She costing you money. You know what I'm saying? Or a girl break up with you. You know, before you lose your mind and go spend all kind of money trying to get her back to say, hey man, a girl just like a bus. You know, you miss one. You catch another.

33:43But, yeah. You know, you say some little pimped stuff. You know what I'm saying? They got these different lines that help you get through life at times. You know what I'm saying? It's hard. You know, you want to still be looking good. When all the buildings in New York City say, when all the buildings in New York City follow, this pimped be standing tall. You know, when his life is bad, he's dressed up, he's looking good, his back is arched. You know, he's not crying and letting life, you know, stomp on him. Like, how big was your stable? Like your biggest stable you've ever had. How big? You know, I heard this. I didn't really focus on getting a whole bunch of girls. I heard this one, you know, say, you know, one bad bitch beat five funky hoes. You know what I'm saying? So, I had one good girl one time. She was just fine. And then she had a little friend, brought her home one time. So, I had two at one time.

34:45But they was, you know what I'm saying? They were thoroughbred. Really? Yeah, they, you know. And I never, you know, I never had like a whole bunch. And then like, I got off into rapping. Rapping, I can take some air, blow it into a mic and turn that into some cash. That's a little less hassle than a bunch of women. The average dude can't handle his girlfriend or his wife. And then you got like, you know, a house full of uncontrollable, wild women. You know what I'm saying? You know, girls that punch, set shit on fire, cut. Chicks that can't have, boyfriends, they need a pimp. You know what I'm saying? Well, you know, it's a, it's like pimpin, pimpin, it ain't easy. You know what I'm saying?

35:45So, it's like, you know, you got that. But rapping is an easier dollar for me. I'm lazy. You know what I'm saying? I can bust a rap, make all kind of money, and don't got to be bothered with that chick. You know what I'm saying? Right. Because I remember when Pimpsa posed down first came out. I was like, I was so intrigued that I saw every documentary. I read every book. I looked, you know, I really researched it. And what I finally realized was, you've got to really have to deal with a type of woman that very few human beings could deal with. Yeah. And that's really the heart of Pimping. You got a bunch of females that are seriously damaged. And you got to be able to be their boyfriends and be their confidants. Yes. And multiply that with multiple women. Yeah. So that's why Pimping ain't easy. You know, I was about to say something. But yeah. Yeah. You got to deal with all those personalities.

36:48It's cool. Now, what I do like is this. Like, you know, a woman to take advantage of a man. To take his money, chew him up and spit him out. You know what I'm saying? Now, that usually happens with a square man. You know what I'm saying? One thing I like about Pimping, that don't happen with a Pimping. And I like when Pimps be at barbershops and diners. And they'll joke about it. They'll have a newspaper. They'll look at Paul McCartney. You're like, just be talking about it. They're jokes. Their comments are just how you're on the floor and just dying. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, Pimping for me sometimes is not being taken advantage of. Making a profit before I take a loss. Turning me and a young lady's relationship into some money instead of her turning our relationship into my debt.

37:56Over a period of time, playing tickets, whatever she's doing, all of this stuff, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, how can we make some money? You know, everything needs it. You're going to spend money every second of the day. You need some coffee. You need some gas. This, Batman. So as much as possible, money needs to be made. So I think it's cool for, you know, two people put their heads together and generate money. Now let's hug each other and kiss each other while this money is being. Let's set up this soda machine. Now kiss me. Let's go set up another one. Now kiss me again. Let's go check the first one. Check the second one. Kiss each other and go put up another one. You know what I'm saying? This is, it's just healthy. They say romance with no finances, a new sense. You know what I'm saying? I feel you. There you go. Yeah, you know, because time, time is going to make the woman take from you. You know what I'm saying? Like, she's going to sit next to you. She's going to kiss you. How do you bump you with her booty? She's hungry. You know what I'm saying?

38:56You feed her. Okay, bam, bam. She's sleepy. You need to put her in a motel. So time is taking money out of your pocket, being with her. So you got to, it takes like a good, nice, smart, pimp mind, or not even a pimp mind. Just a good business mind to turn this existence into something profitable that will support the relationship. Now, you had a situation where a female fan, I guess, came on stage and you ended up hitting her. Yeah, I slapped her. I overestimated myself. You think you can handle it. I thought, I mean, I figured I can handle the pressure of a crowd, the pressure of a show, the pressure of my life as a whole. Every night's a hard night. Every day's a hard day. Everybody in the world has stress. You know, I was moving around New York City today. I'm nobody special. Everybody got somewhere to be. If you have life in your body, you're a special being. You're special. There's something you need to do.

39:56You need to go eat. You feel pain. You feel joy. You know, you feel pleasure. You know, you need to take care of your business. You know, there's pressure. I got pressure. I've had a string of stuff happen to me. And what I didn't realize was, medical marijuana and malt liquor was helping me keep everything intact. I remember when I first started rapping. I had this anxiety. And I forgot, like, back from junior high to high school, and just as a young man, I had a lot of anger and frustration. And I started dealing with life better after I started drinking forties and smoking weed. I do better, come, and all that type of stuff.

40:57And over the years, I'd be rapping and girls would get up on stage. And they was, you know, I want to be like, okay, this chick likes me, she, whatever. But in reality, she's saying, fuck you, it's all about me. You know, it's competing with me, you know what I'm saying? Then you got people that want to do humiliating shit to you and put it all up on YouTube. And then when one group of people see people doing shit to you on YouTube, you get this whole percentage of humanity that starts coming to your show and they want to do it too. And then it becomes this trend. And you got fans, then you got people that aren't fans of you, but they'll come to heckle your act to entertain themselves. I don't like your music, but I'll do all this dumps. Yeah, we went and we did all this dump stuff. And here's our pictures of us doing it and this, that, and the other.

41:59Then you got people that get all on the stage, they do all this shit, and they're pouring beer on your guitar. And they're up here to be nice, but they're doing fucked up things. You know what I'm saying? And 16 years of playing possibly 300 days out of a 365 day year. It's been a repetition of that. You know, like people just fucking up the equipment. You know, I've had real bad ones. Like a whole bunch of people just take over the stage. Club owners not wanting to pay me because they thought I encouraged that type of stuff. You know, and you want to just sing and be nice. But you know, it's like, you know, WTF, you know. So I called up, you know, the parking was bad. I had to, it was like a real bad day along with a whole bunch of other stuff. I had to walk, had to park and walk. And when I say walk, like, I blew up in Mississippi.

42:59I can't just walk down the street. I'm gonna have to shake some hands. I'm gonna have to take some pictures. You know, it ain't, you know. So I had to, you know, when I say a mile, you know, that's like, that's like a New York mile in traffic jam. You know, you don't be in no hurry. You're not getting out of this tunnel no time soon. You know, bandsaw. So I had to walk with, you know. So bam, we get down there. And it's an early show. Everything was bad. And I just, I was almost there. I, I tried to take in, they didn't have my beard. They didn't have any weed. And I was trying to play another man's guitar. Like, the guitar I was playing on there, that wasn't mine. Now, rapping and singing, I can deal with somebody a little bit better than I can deal with them while I'm playing the guitar.

43:59I'm not the greatest guitar player in the world. I like to play. I want to be more than just a rapper. I'm pushing myself to be a rapper and a musician. I'm pushing myself to progress and be better. I'm not the type of guitar player that can interact with the crowd and still play my riffs. I will fuck up. And it's frustrating when you fuck up. You know what I'm saying? Like, if you throw a football and you almost catch it, sometimes you see the football player slapping his hands against the turf because he really wanted to catch that football. And I really wanted to play the guitar. And I had a whole bunch of stuff happening there. Like, it was a Marty Girl crowd. So I had some real fans mixed in there with like some general assholes who possibly didn't give a fuck about me. You know what I'm saying? And people are just... People are doing anything. You know, sometimes people...

45:00You don't even got to be nobody. Some people just do things to you to pitch you off for their own amusement. You know, some people are nice. You know, you're all kind of people in the world. So I can... You know, it could be a bunch of girls taking a picture with me. And you know, some guy could just say something. Yeah, he's a loser. Fuck him. You're a band, band, band, pop. Hey, you know, so it was a few haters there that day. And... There was a whole lot of stuff going on. But I remember... I was a little frustrated. I was on stage. And I was doing all right. I was warming it up, man. I was about to shake off the... The whatever it was. I was about to shake off the edge without the coat 45, without the butt. I was about to work and get it out. And then... I seen these...

46:00No. I seen these chicks get on the stage. You know what I'm saying? And it just wasn't that day. I'm up here trying to entertain them. I'm trying to get them going. I don't quite got them rocking yet. I got the heads going. I'm starting to cook them and warm them up. And it's chicken on stage. Not teller. I don't even... I'm not even in the mood. I said, fuck off. That's just what I told her. I'm like, fuck off. Don't bring that bullshit up here. And they... And they got offended, you know? And, you know, it's the end words in style. Everybody uses it. And like... You know, as I was turning around, they were like, oh, fuck. You know, I just... I just got the answer up here if I want one. You know, but they look like they was walking off. I'm like, all right, fuck it. And I went back. And I was like, I'll come up there and mother fuck. Woo-hoo, woo-hoo. But I'm just trying to do my thing. I thought they had them left. And I'm up there playing.

47:01And sometimes I can... I play better sometimes when I close my eyes. Sometimes I look at what I'm doing. And then I question what I'm doing. You know what I'm saying? But like... I can deal with people when I'm rapping and singing. But like, when I'm playing a good song, you know, I'm trying to get in that zone. I'm trying to make sure I'm doing the right note. And... While I was trying to play, I was trying to get in my zone. I was trying to pull out of my frustration and everything I was going through. You know... Enough happened for me not to know what to play next. And I lost it, dude. I was like, what in the hell? You know what I'm saying? And... You know what I'm saying? Like, I got mad. And you know... You could go fuck. You could something like you kick a trash can. You do something, you know? But this time, unfortunately, for me, it was that girl. She don't know what I was going through.

48:02The world don't know what I was going through. I've never did that in my life. You know what I'm saying? I went crazy. I snapped, dude. You know what I'm saying? I got the... I got... I couldn't take... I really want to do this. You know, I love rapping for my fans. I really love playing my guitar. Why would you disrespect my set? You know, like, I wouldn't do that to... You know, I probably... And if I thought about it real hard, I wouldn't do it to the Klux Klan. They got the right to voice their opinion. And if I let them voice their opinion, I could figure out what problem he has with me. And I might can avoid some of the problem. So it's just... It's just rude to interrupt somebody. You know what I'm saying? And I don't know. So just... I just snapped for the worst. It never had that happen before. And I needed to go to a doctor. The problems I overestimated.

49:04I needed to put them on the table. And try to come up with some solution for them. You know what I'm saying? And to the point where I don't snap like that no more. You know, like, I had the money for the show already in my pocket. All I had to do was just leave. I apologize to her. You know, I went on to jail. You didn't know what I'm saying. Oh, see, you got locked up? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm on to jail. My day kicks off of the refreshing sociocenergy drink. Then straight to the gym. Pre-get pick up, back home to meal prep. Time for my fire session shift. One more Celsius gotta keep the lights on. When the three alarm hits, I'm ready. Celsius, live, fit, go. Grab a cold refreshing sociocentric local retailer or locate now at socios.com. Score more with the college branded Venmo debit card and earn up to 5% cash back with Venmo stash. Got paid back? With the Venmo debit card, you can instantly access your balance and spend on what you want,

50:04like game day snacks, gear, tickets, and more. The more you do, the more cash back you can earn. Plus, there's no monthly fear minimum balance. Sign up now at Venmo.com slash college card. The Venmo master card is issued by the bank court bank NA. Select schools available. Venmo stash terms and exclusions apply at Venmo.me slash stash terms. Max $100 cash back per month. Uh, for hello. I mean, you know, they took me down there and, you know, I bailed out that night. But, you know, I had to go back to court and be on probation. Couldn't smoke. I couldn't smoke. That was worse than just. I thought about just going down there for a couple of weeks and just like, look, man, let's get the six months. What? You know, couldn't smoke for six months. And I had to go to a doctor for anger management. But it was real good. And then right now, I'm in the process of, you know,

51:06helping a young lady get through what she needs to... I'm in the process of paying her for, you know, for whatever she's going through. You know what I'm saying? Oh, so she sued you. Yeah, yeah. I mean, like, it's like, everything's still ongoing right now. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm trying to heal what's happened. You know what I'm saying? So like, you know, I can't turn back time. I should have did this. I should have did that. But I'm a better person now. You know what I'm saying? Like, I got a deeper understanding of everything. I don't let nothing get me mad no more. I can feel it coming. I didn't feel that coming. It hit me with everybody else. I flipped out. It's like a sneeze. Are, you know, are you ever get cold, you stand outside? Oh, you know, you don't feel it coming. Like, an old person says it's kind of cold out here.

52:07They go get a jacket. So before they go, they get a jacket, and they don't get that sensation. So now I know, okay, this is frustrating me. This is raising my anger level. I need to do something different. What can I do to avoid anger getting higher? You know, but I, you know, I haven't dealt with my fame and people without the convenience of marijuana and malt liquor. So the time I didn't have it, yeah, I kind of, with all my other pet peeves and all the problems I'm going through, and there's other problems. Look how much time there's just these few problems I've taken. So like, dude, there's a lot of stuff in my life. You know, we all even really got time for it. That's been coming at me, you know, divorces, kids, family members, just people, personal friends, just the whole money thing, watching people go from your best friend to, you know, after you, just not knowing what comes with the dollar bill

53:07and this lifestyle on this side of the fame. It's traumatized me over the years. The good part has been good, but then the bad increases too. You know what I'm saying? And it all came out in the worst way. I'm not like that no more and, you know, just better, just better, more understanding. And then when people, you know, like, I'll go home or I'll stay home before, you know what I'm saying? I'll lose it again, you know what I'm saying? I'll make sure everything's in place. The bud, the beer, everything. Yeah. I got my new trays coming out. This is cell phones, you know what I'm saying? They got like phone cases that you can roll. Oh, and it's a weed tray on the back of it? Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Okay. You know, because I use the, let me see if we can see this. This is what I use. Hey man, look, you need to get this on your phone. No matter where you at, your phone with you.

54:07You got to get that afro man rolling tray. You know what I'm saying? And before we go, I want to talk about my new album, my Santa Cuts, it got my Christmas songs on it. You know what I'm saying? I got a video. Hold on a sec. What's that play? It's called Santa Cuts. Santa Cuts, you know what I'm saying? Okay. Yeah, yeah. Santa Cuts. Yeah, you know, that's just funny. You know, we all, it's a little joke. My real single is give the gift of love. You know what I'm saying? That's my single. And I got some other Christmas songs. I got the 12 trays of Christmas on the first day of Christmas. The police sent to me the slot team in a pantry. I go on up to 12. But I got some good songs on there. But like, I needed some filler songs. So it was enough for an album. I didn't want the house. The songs just laying around the house. So I needed some other songs. And Buddy of mine bought me a blue Santa Claus outfit.

55:07And I put it on, you know, I didn't gain a little weight. And you know, I'm kind of great. And so I made up Santa Cuts. Because every year, you know, out of Christmas, well, I got to look at Santa Claus with the red outfit. It's cool. But, you know, we can only get into that so much. You know, it says like all the red Christmas paper, all the, all the, everything Christmas is like red and green. So just for jokes and giggles, you know, okay, with the blue Santa Claus outfit. And I made Santa Cuts, you know, just, you know, Santa Claus can keep his traditional role. And then Santa Cuts is a ghetto version of Santa Claus. Instead of a reindeer's in a slay, he got a 83 Cadillac Obluer, and then he's just in that. So it's funny. So if you can go to my Facebook page and check it out. And everything. And make sure you get one of, I got my own beer coming out, man. Make sure you get you a cold fro T5. I got some cold fro T5s coming out. You know what I'm saying?

56:08That's not going to lead to a lawsuit from cold 45, because it sounded kind of close there. No, it's close, but it's not playing. You know what I'm saying? There's this McDonald's. This is McDonald's. McDonald's. You know, our buns have no seeds. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Hey, this is that. They're going to be all right. You know what I'm saying? Like, this and that. I've been a supporting picture of them for years. I really drunk the beer. But they, they, they seem, everything's cool. They pick different rappers to sponsor their beer. And this and that. I got a following. Got my own fans. I got the recipe. You know this, Danielle. I got cold fro T5. And, uh, you know, I can turn into some money. So it's going down. Check out the cold fro T5s.