A Numbers Game | February 11, 2026 | Hour 3

0:00And numbers. To the Alex. Those idiots will believe in analytics. This is a numbers game with Gill Alexander gone. Be said. A numbers game here on a Wednesday, Matt Brown in for Gill Alexander. Helly Biddlin here on the desk with me already got in some good college basketball talks golf talks, some NBA talk. Great show today. Some chicken winged. Oh, a chicken finger talk. Good job by Danny, the whole crew back there. Chicken finger talk. Chicken finger talk has been popular. I'm glad we've some of the tweets we've received about that too. I haven't checked along. Do we have others? Well, I will. I will. Well, he'll just join in. Well, he'll just join in. Let us know that it is a. He says he gives it a plus. Raising canes gets the A plus. Well, if we'll hill endorses it. Yeah. Who cares what we say? Go in. Bobby tweets in and says he's on a roll. He's a Pats fan. He had Hadecki outright. He had USA in the mix curling. And he had Nebraska live in 11 to one versus per day. Oh. No.

1:00Bobby been a been a been a rough one. I'd hate to say I've benefited from some of those else, but I have an I'm sorry, Bobby. We all go through. You didn't bet against our mix curling team. You liar. I said some. Yeah. You better not have the Patriots. I know. Better not have done that. I would have been in a very fragile mental state this week if a Hadecki had won that tournament. So what's. I'm very glad that played out like it did. We have reflipped now at draft kings where Detroit is now back to a point and a half favorite. So people have decided that they're going to they're going to fight over this. Yeah. I'm looking. It's mainly pick comes out there. Do have. Yeah. Also draft kings does the the wheat. What it's what's one and a half plus one oh two. Right. I want to look at it right now. Right. So you do the little bit of the weird, weird vague. Hornets has settled in it for four and a half. With the suspensions coming down. Yeah. And it seems like people were on the way. That's the way they were. Yeah. And so the 19th and a half was too much.

2:00Or I'm guessing some sort of release or some sort of group or something because it was a concerted effort where all of the 17 and a half were wiped out at the same time. People taking 17 and a half points with Washington. Against Cleveland. We're actually all the way down to 15 and a half at the score. If you live in a score bet. Market. But flat 16. It fanatics. Flat 16. Fandall and then 16 and a half at draft kings. Caesars. As well. And so that's what we're going to do. We're going to do that for people came in all all at the same time here. And said 17 and a half was too many points. And they're going to take the Washington Wizards. Yeah. Yeah. That's interesting. A couple other just line movements quick in the NBA. I'm not sure if I brought this one up earlier on the air. Blazers. Wolves. The only other one I bet besides Raptors tonight was the Blazers last night. It took seven and a half. Just talked about like in their win total over. Currently as well. I took that at seven and a half last night. I didn't bet a big shame. Sharps going to be out for some other injury news today. This is one where it's just going to be continued to monitor all all day long. Anthony Edwards did get downgraded this morning.

3:01To questionable within illness. Not as read also questionable for this game. The spreads like five and a half now. I think that's what I'm seeing that. That is one. Like if I knew Anthony Edwards is going to be out and I can jump on the Blazers again at plus five and a half. Absolutely. I will look to do that. Otherwise, I'll probably just ride with what I've got in pocket right now. If I missed the line move on this one today and then the other one that's coming back down a little bit. I'm noticing is that's first line. Mm-hmm. Eight. There's a seven and a half at draft kings. Keep coming on down. I mean, maybe that's not good news. Someone knows something about Stefan Castle. I was going to say it seems like somebody knows Castle wouldn't going to play. Yeah. Which we kind of assume that anyway. I don't know if I really mind that. If this is, if Castle's out and this gets to seven or sub seven. No, I wanted to get officially announced. And then I hope it does get sub seven. Yeah. I'm fine with that. I'm fine with that. How many minutes for when you last night again? Like 25, 26. Yeah. Yeah. You only played eight minutes in the second half.

4:01I think the other one this is this is. Look, I've gone up against the warriors a few times here past month, month and a half with mixed results. I just would Jimmy Butler out. These games that Stefan Curry sits. It is very tough for me to avoid betting against them. And I say mixed results because they've played pretty well here recently, even with Jimmy Butler out. But any time you Steph Curry gets ruled out too, I just question, where is this offense going to come from in this first team? May I they're not being underrated by anybody anymore but continue to play so well and have all season on both sides of the ball. So last game. Last game they'll play before heading to the All Star break. Yeah. It's definitely one I've got circles for tonight. Yeah. I'm. I'm looking here too. And from a San Antonio Golden State standpoint. Kelly, I think that considering that's a late game as well, we might not get the official official on that for maybe a couple of hours or so. Oh, it could be five o'clock today. Yeah. Pacific time.

5:01Yeah. So that's one of those that. I'll be waiting. I'm going to say you might just have to be kind of sitting next to your phone or your computer or something like that. The other one that's like a gal bring it up again. This is not it's not going to be for everybody. You're not going to want to do this. I'm going to start mixing. I don't do this a lot either with just the kind of big stuff. It's not something I do much of during the regular season. This is the time. We've talked about a lot about these tanking teams. This is the time of the year. I'm going to start at least considering it more. And I think that spurs. If you didn't want to lay that many points. Like you, I think you can tie in the nuggets. Hey, nuggets. You know, I'm seeing a minus 700 money line out there right now on that. I think they were all through the Grizzlies tonight. Grizzlies got to go up to into Denver. We talked about this team and what they're lacking such a coward out for this game tonight as well, who I think is going to be or doubtful, at least doubtful right now. If he misses this game tonight, I mean, that is some a he's going to be one of the focal points of this team as they try to develop some of these younger pieces going forward. And if he misses this game, he's been playing well. I think that's a big hit for them. Jamal Murray and Nicole

6:01Yoke, it's both supposed to go in this game tonight for Denver. Some news coming out just in the industry in general, Kelly. And it's something that I actually before before legalization was even was even widespread or whatever. And I think that the legalization was really important for me to get a new perspective from a mountain top was draft. I mean, a fan duel is no longer going to accept credit cards for deposits. Yeah. That's a good idea. Moving forward. And you know, this is something like, that I've been screaming about since since legalization was a thing. We are we preach responsible gambling. And I think that it is important that people that have a microphone in front of them and have some sort of I know our responsible games have been long time gamblers and I think, you know, it can be lost on us that people do lose control sometimes. So the fact that you should gamble with money that you have, not money, not mythical money. Right. So when it's the whole like, oh, I'm going to go put five hours of my credit card.

7:03Now I'll just pay it off when my check comes. That's when things can kind of get out of control with it. I think this is a smart. They're doing this nationwide, by the way, it was already implemented in some states out there. But now Fandals going to cut it off. I would like if other sports were out there are still taking credit, I would hope they would follow suit and all that because again, there are just little things you can do to just to help kind of along the way with the industry and I'm pretty sure not letting people gamble with money. They don't actually have in their account is one of the ways that we can maybe move in the right direction. I'm 39 years old. I still try to limit my credit card and access because of those types of things exactly and frankly, man, when we were, when we would I were playing poker, imagine when you were 22, 21, 22 years old, playing a ton of poker and betting on sports. Yeah. If I could go to the cage and the card room and fund it with the credit card or make the sports bets, I was going to make a credit card. Yeah. It's a slippery slow playing. Yeah. It's just one of those. I might have mixed opinions on what we talked about yesterday with some of the prop betting stuff. This one.

8:03I look at it. I look at it. I look at it like this, right? If we're going to bash sports books when they do things stupid, then we should also praise them. We do things the right way. I do believe that this is a step in the right direction. Just industry as a whole, there's enough stuff that we deal with in this industry as it is. Maybe like let's not be getting stories of kids opening up, you know, credit cards and then like maxing them out instantly so they can fund their, you know, it's a scary thought. I think there's, I know there's mixed, mixed reactions to this and there's only a few places. I think that really do it in Vegas, but you know, there are certain spots where you can, I don't know fully about it because I would never let myself do this. But like, you know, you can just, isn't there some of the table games now where you can just throw on, throw on a credit card or debit card or something like that? Like that's terrifying. Or I know some places you can download apps and just kind of use those at the tables. That's not something I need to get involved with either. Yeah. I do cash down, give me chips. The chips run out. I'm done. We're all old school that way. You know, just here's my money, like give me the chips for the money and all of that.

9:07And I am often drinking in the casino. I do not need to have that loose control over where my buddy's at. All right. So any other of these NBA games that we need to hit on to make sure that we've, we've touched on before people go to put their bets in. Like you said, we are getting action on a lot of these. I am 100% positive now that somebody knows something about castle because now every book is moving down this. Yeah. This seven and a half is going to turn to seven for sure. And in San Antonio gold state, we're getting a bunch of action on Oklahoma city right now. This, my screen keeps lighting up with that one. We're getting some support from New Orleans here against Miami. Yeah. I don't really get that one. Two bad teams. In my opinion, that one I really have any, I mean, this is just go to the whole thing of what we said yesterday of where New Orleans doesn't have any incentive to not at least try and pull it out. Oh, totally. And, you know, they, I'm going to always say this with a grain of salt at this point because Matt Brown, when I, you and I were doing shows regularly together five days a week back. Uh, what was this 40 years ago now at this point?

10:10Well, however long it's been, uh, and all I would keep saying was watch out for this New Orleans Pelicans young group, right? I was high on Zion, but it was always tray Murphy and herb Jones. And now I'm getting sick of hearing people like myself say it because it's the Justin Herbert thing to me. It's like, how long are we going to talk about these guys and just cut them slack whenever they just have losses and it's, it's that with them. I think there, there is still some talent there and they have no incentive to lose, but it's not really a team. I'm, I've been running to back the season. Yeah. I mean, if you want to talk about just one of the more disappointing franchise arcs over the last half decade, it would be them for sure because like you did, you did kind of see where it looked like there was like a light at the end of the tunnel, right? And it just, it just never, it's the never ending tunnel. Like they're just, they're staying in the tunnel. And it's, you know, I heard it a lot around the, around the trade deadline. And I'm not, I'm not trying trying to completely destroy these guys. Not just like I don't think Justin Herbert's a terrible quarterback. I just think it gets, he gets built up too much like, I don't want to hear about how

11:12good a try Murphy or herb Jones is, you got 15 wins. That's where you're at. You got 15 wins and 40 losses this season. It's a, it's some point, especially in basketball or a quarterback in the NFL. If you're good as, as good as everybody's going to say, the wins usually come along. A lot of action on the board, as we said, we'll see if John Von Total took advantage of any of these moves. Again, as my screen continues to light up like a Christmas tree last big day of NBA before the break. So everybody's getting involved. JVT's place. We'll come back. You're here because you want an edge. That's what separates listeners from winners, but let's be real mindset alone doesn't get bets home pros win because they've got the tools, the data and the discipline. And now so can you be some programs you access to the same real time insights the sharps use, no secrets, no fluff, just actionable info that moves markets, tap the link and see why serious betters are turning knowledge into profit.

12:14With Vs in pro. The numbers game here on Vs in these sports betting network, Matt Brown and Kelly Bidlin cannot wait to talk some NBA here with Jonathan Von Total and another thing that I know Jonathan Von Total is into as we have done ample amount of content on this together as well as the NFL draft ESPN announcing NFL draft daily will debut today, Kelly Bidlin, and it will be a daily weekday show talking about the NFL draft all the way up until April the 23rd when this thing goes off. So we're going to be getting insight from a panel that includes everyone from Shepter and Kuiper and all of them to Matt Miller and Field Yates and all of that. So I don't have a DVR set for very many shows anymore, but might have to send DVR for

13:19that one. It is one of the ESPN shows. I think that does great work and might not be for everybody, but I'm down to hear about the draft multiple times a week at this time here. JVT. You can see him right here on the network a little bit after us and at me, JVT over there on the turn of machine NFL draft daily, my for going daily insights into this draft much like you will hear probably the biggest asset information that we're going to I'm sure we won't beat the hell some of the props that we talk about all of the time and will there be a point where I mean, who's going to be the first round quarterback that actually really has no shot going in the first round, but because there's probably one quarterback going that we're going to say like, you know, actually you're control all that kind of stuff that back into the first round you trade back in. I'm very curious to see who that's going to be. This is my favorite JVT draft bet every what what it's the under total quarterbacks first round, right? Because of that. I told a quarterbacks to the first round every single year. I think we've done this. If I remember off the go back window to look, I think this is going to be our ninth year of draft betting in Nevada.

14:20It is six and two to the under. So it has been a profitable strategy so far. But last year did go over as many people will point out. We're going to we're going to get into this tomorrow, Kelly on the show. So I don't want to give away too much of this, but field yates did reveal his first mock draft since we kind of know how things are going to play out. He has Thai Simpson going in the first round. So he does have he has he has he has Thai Simpson first round. JVT is ready to fade right away. So what do you say the number for first round quarterbacks? I mean, I would have said it at flat one and then just yeah, I mean, because I can't do a half because you know, it's over, but you can't do one and a half because you know, it's pretty much under. So you just got to do a flat one, see what happens. What do we actually see? Do you think it's actually going to be one and a half? Like I think it's going to be one and a half. Yeah. Wow. When's the last time we've had a draft where it's been one and a half? I think they're going to have to make it flat one because one and a half is just going to get ridiculously bad under. Yeah. I think it's one of the more interesting prop numbers.

15:20I can't wait to see what we're going to do with it because and you guys know, I mean, every year, it gets bad over every single year. Every year. I'm going to be very curious to see. I mean, because if you hang one, Matt, as you mentioned, I mean, like who's really going to bet that? I guess you'll bet over one, but I don't know if that'll track that many people knowing that you're going to have a very high probability of just a push. I don't know what they're going to do. My guess is that it's one and a half heavily juiced to the under and then by the time we get to the NFL draft, we're going to have like, you know, player X is going to slip right into this first round and that thing's going to get bet up a little bit. John, before we go to the NBA, I know we got a full car in the NBA today. Want to get to that with you, but the, I'm sure like you have been doing, we kicked around a bunch of the NFL futures yesterday. The one team I kept coming back to was why are the Indianapolis Colts as long as they are? Did we all forget what this team looked like at the beginning of the season last year? Any thoughts on your culture? Just kind of NFL futures that have leaked out so far for next season. Yes, I've got two thoughts for you here. First on the Colts and then a team that I think really does stick out for Indy.

16:20It's obviously twofold that's Daniel Jones coming off the killies when he's going to be fully healthy. When he's going to be available, you guys know all the answers, no questions. I would also say Kelly and I and I've been pretty strong on this when we were talking about this on pod of the futures before the draft versus before the injury to Daniel Jones on money moves leading up to that game against Jacksonville. I think very quietly, if you actually look at Daniel Jones in that offense, he was kind of leaking oil a little bit before he got injured. Maybe some of that had to do with the injury was at the tibia or whatever it was, leading then to the Achilles, but he had been very, very average for quite a few weeks. And the turnover where the plays had really started to increase. And so I think that the real Daniel Jones was starting to make an appearance. It's just that he suffered a very serious injury before we really start to saw that thing break down. So that would be my worry. Coming off of a serious injury and what if my observations were correct that he was actually starting to regress in a very hard way. Then I think that leads you to a team that might be a little overvalued. But one, I mean, it seems like we do this every year. I'm willing to do this myself for the first time. I do it in the NBA with this city, but I will do it now here in the NFL.

17:22Give me the Falcons at 80-1 to win the Super Bowl. If they're going to get priced like that, I'm a big Kevin Stofansky guy. I believe in the skill position talent they have. He's obviously got a real offense now. We'll see if he can fix, I guess, if you want to use that terminology, penics. But I think he's going to work wonders with this team. We know it's going on with James Pierce Jr., but even outside of him, this defense has been relatively solid of average to above average. In a division that I think is going to be somewhat poor, I don't know what the panthers are going to be. We kind of have an idea what the fucking years are going to be and the Saints will be approved. I think that looks to me on paper like the best team in a weekend of C-South. I wouldn't be surprised if they make a pretty solid run and they have a good record. Atlanta 80-1 is the future that calls my name. Well, I mean, you're sitting here doing all this talk about Daniel Jones and not doing it with Kirk James Cousins, who's going to be the quarterback of that team. I don't even know why you're sitting here talking about Daniel Jones. When it's going to be Kirk Cousins, who's going to be the quarterback of the Culse. But yes, that's for that's for a conversation at another time. Let's get to a game that has been getting. We talked about my screen. This early in the day, I've not seen an NBA screen just lighting up as much as it has so far

18:23this morning. But Atlanta and Charlotte, this is four and a half out there in favor of Charlotte, 233 and a half all the way to 234 and a half from a total perspective. What are you looking at in this one? Yeah, I took Atlanta here catching the points against the Hornets and obviously we start with the suspensions, we have bridges, we have the Abate, Bolta were out. Bolta were integral pieces to the most efficient lineup in the NBA so far this season, with those two conkinipal, Brandon Miller and Lamella Ball. But guys, look at this from just a price standpoint. When they played on Saturday in Atlanta, they were one and a half point favorites. That translates to roughly where they are now. They're missing two key starters. I mean, I think the power rating for Charlotte is really, really strong right now. And the fact that they're laying this number without two key pieces of their starting five, to me, I'm going to take the shot. We'll see if Dyson Daniels plays today. That is a questionable, obviously I would very like very much like him out there. And so we're going to take a little bit of a gamble. If he initially plays and he did not play on Monday, then I think we would have a pretty good shot to cover this game. Maybe the Hawks went out right.

19:24But I think that we're kind of at the top of the market here with Charlotte. We saw them as a two and a half point dog to Detroit. Obviously in that Brawl game on Monday night, they don't cover that game. And I think right now the fact they're laying four and a half with some key suspensions to me is a very high watermark for this team's power rating. So give me Atlanta tonight. The Brawl game. Well done. That is, yeah, that was what I was looking at last night to JVT. I ended up pulling the trigger. Just Dyson Daniels, Jalen Johnson, both questionable tags, worries me a bit. But from a pricing standpoint, you're completely correct. I had to end up on Detroit the other night too. I think we've maybe swung a little too far on the Charlotte power right now. I'm with you. If I had to bet that still be Atlanta, I'm chuckling because we talked a lot about this. Jesse and what they've done the past couple nights. You've got to play in the jazz Kings game here. Yeah. So let's let's give this a shot. We know Kionte George is not going to play. But Larry Marketing is. And so let me remove some of the nonsense here for a second. And I will go jazz first half minus three and a half. Also, some of this is because look, I mean, together, I think Larry Marketing and Jalen

20:26Jackson, we haven't seen a lot, but I think it's going to be very, very formidable. They're a very good duo. They fit really well with one another. We've seen the emergence of some of the other guards for Utah. So I think they're going to be out there. You want the non-data handicap here? The jazz have been spending the last few days just getting absolutely murdered for outright tanking and looking like absolute losers. I do think that there's probably some sort of a strong effort coming to start the game. It wouldn't be hilarious if they do come out to a really strong start, smoke the Kings in the first half. And they do exactly what they did the other night, which is pull their guys. But I think you get a strong effort from Utah. I also think some of it has to do with the fact that they might be tired of hearing about the fact that they are outright dirty tankers. So we'll see if this comes to fruition. Yeah, like could we spin this forward a little bit with me, JVT, because how does this stop? Right, like, are we all three weeks from now, four weeks from now? Are we just going to say this is what the jazz do every game? Or is the NBA going to get involved? Is the jazz going to feel the pressure kind of like you just alluded to too much that they stopped doing this, sitting everybody in the third quarter. If you missed this in past two games, Utah has sent the starters basically in totality to the bench

21:28for the rest of the game. What happens with this? Because I don't really know. I mean, Adam Silver's kind of got a grow backbone here, doesn't he? I mean, he has to, at some point, do something. I mean, you're asking what's going to happen? A notoriously light-handed commissioner when it comes to punishments and things of that nature, a notoriously pro player commissioner who has allowed this to happen. Do we trust that he is going to come out and throw the book at the Utah Jazz or do something to change the rules that would then stop this team from doing these sort of things? There's, I think there's a lot like this kind of a can of worms Kelly. A lot of people have complained about the draft lottery, for example. I would argue the draft lottery has done its job. We have seen these teams in like the Ninest Range leap all the way up to the top four multiple times. Tanking is not the thing that has been, it has not been as successful as it has been in the past because the lottery odds have even out a little bit. And so I think the Jazz will probably learn their lesson when they still end up with like the fourth overall pick, despite the fact that they're trying this. But I do think it starts with Adam Silver whether it's changing the rules,

22:28whether it's changing the way the draft order is determined, or actually just coming down on Utah and doing something with the way that they're blatantly skirting the rules and just tanking and screwing over their fans too. By the way, we were just talking about gambling from that perspective. If you go out there to buy a ticket, how do you feel after watching that in that fourth quarter? Guys, his middle name is Daniel. By the way, it's Kirk Daniel. I just, I made that. You know, I met him in San Francisco. I made a Kirk cousins middle name. And I was just going, you know what? Someone's going to go look it up. And so I just said, it's Kirk Daniel Cousins. That checks out. Very strong handshake. Yes, Kirk Daniel Cousins. He's, he's, he's, he's the son of Don and Mary. If anyone wants to remember that. JVT, appreciate it, buddy. I'm sure you have some more takes here in a little bit. Did you guys, when we come back, me and Kelly, going to get into some of this NFL talk. Yeah. Yeah. Numbers game on Fiscent. These sports Betty network.

23:32Numbers game here on V's in the esports betting network map around. Kelly Bidlin. Trying to make some sense of dual Lush. That's been one of our hot topics this morning. What have we got straight cross country skiing or Biathlon now? I think we're just, uh, I think the Nordic combined Matt Brown tell me what the Nordic combined is you have to ski uphill. I end downhill Really and then speed I can't tell fear I've no Matt Brown for so long. I can't tell if he's lying to me. I know I know it. Okay That's what I was gonna be shocked if you actually knew but just found out today those dual luch I mean that was that's I hadn't even I didn't even know that was the thing they don't do enough See you just made up a great offend why would why don't they have one? I want to see them get to the top of the mountain and then ski down the mountain That would be a good one, right? So it's like your power and then it's your speed. Yeah Even if it's like So it could be like a like a combined. Oh, yeah, three way thing. I like this next to let next one When's the next one four years? Yeah, four years. Yeah, and what do you get that done in next? It's usually four years

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25:39scribe Someone said that the the chicken tenders were mid And uh, it canes ronnie said ronnie said they're mid Well, he did follow back up. He said that the best of all the chain chicken tender places though So I mean, I guess he he came back in and made it not as bad, but like they're not they're not mid So I mean chicken They're lightly breaded chicken fingers that aren't super thick because I don't like want to eat a piece of chicken that feels like I'm eating a piece of steak Yeah, but they're also not like it's also not like the other side I would complain the other side where you go get chicken tenders are like a fast food restaurant You're just like what is like there's no chicken barely? Yeah, but there's no sort of chicken. Yeah, some saying there's there's there's chicken but it's not all breading Yes, no, there's no yeah, yeah, it's a lot of a solid chicken breast in there and the only one I would get I think they're great Ronnie, I guess the other thing that I would say is very impressive about them to me is have you ever gone there and been like oh This has been sitting around for a while or anything like that. It's always fresh and like hot. It's delicious Yeah, there's it's it's a

26:40It's certainly one of those things where I look at it and go, you know, I don't I don't often do do the fast food But it's you know Kings is up there. I will say Ronnie. There's one I have in mind that does it does compete Now would be at the great public supermarkets down in the southeast that you and I are very familiar with Ola chicken tenders at the deli are very delicious. Oh, old James is place That's right We're sorry first crab legs from there. I prefer chicken tours. Uh, James says don't they have to set the quarterback total one and a half I mean listen, I guess I really thought about it. I was just openly It's a very weird thing because it's like yeah one is a free roll, but then one and a half you'd have to price it like minus 800 For the under So it's just I don't know how they're gonna go about it. I mean there's nobody else like we're At this point we know this like Carson back none of these guys. Like there's nobody else the the only person that I have Seen mentioned at all as possibly for is tie Simpson and that's just in a a couple of the mocks that are out there now

27:42Charles is back. He's back in school. Now here's the third seventh year or whatever. Well, no That's still being worked out. That is he is suing now right to try to go back. So that's still being worked out. Okay That's how bad. Let's hear the deal That's how he knows for sure that he's not gonna be a first round. He's been advised at least properly Because he's fighting as hard as he can to stay in school man, so it would really only be tie Simpson But that's not a consensus, you know, I don't care of a draft Well, the everywhere else is awesome. I mean for bedding purposes, it will still be great. Just yeah, for quarterbacks Yeah, for quarterback for yeah, for court, but I mean there's gonna be four or five awesome receivers taken There's gonna be all kinds of like real defensive defensive like Difference makers. I mean, there's gonna be all of that. It's gonna be It's gonna be awesome, but yes from a quarterback perspective They might just wait and this is what I responded to James with it They might just wait to post it and see if a narrative gets Going with one of the other quarterbacks so they don't have to price it so ridiculous A little surprise we haven't seen more draft markets pop up in general, but yeah, you're right

28:45Maybe you just hold off a little bit on quarterbacks And just see if maybe they can build an narrative for Simpson or something when you're talking about booking around one and a half You almost have to right like it's too easy to get burned on where the other there. Yeah All right, so we want to get into some of these early numbers here over in the NFL Just give you our mainly this is like an exercise where you can go in and Give yourself some offseason kind of checklist stuff to go with some of these teams and see if you want to go in and Embed any of these numbers either later on or if you think they're gonna move then you can do it now But start with the NFC West and this is one of the like clearest divisions There is and I think probably the clearest division as who the last place team is I don't know if there is Another division where I think is is as clear I mean, I guess you could argue maybe the Browns in the AFC North, but I don't know Maybe there's enough talent there for the Browns to overcome the Steelers or something in that in the North But I look at this one as so so so clear cut that it is going to be the Cardinals that I I mean that if

29:48When they do the whole exact stuff or the or the team to definitely finish last or where they're like this will be a bet that goes in the Yeah, I made a bet in this in that market last year in this division, man. It was on the Seattle Seahawks Hmm to finish last You did not you did not believe in one Sam I didn't die don't worry. Don't worry. My mind quickly changed on this team About a month into the season to think that was the good example of getting off your priors quick and that's yeah Let's see. It was great. I hear you. I think that's the deal. I think that's the deal of Cardinals. The only thing I would say I still I think Kyler Kyler we've seen him play so well. We've played see him play so bad We've seen him play injured. You just don't know what you're gonna get out of that But the three other teams are just so so much better and if you guys didn't see What's that number though? What do you think that Cardinals number to finish last in the NFC West is? I mean, it's gotta be minus 200 more than that probably. It's gonna be something that you have to kind of parlay with another team Yeah, that you think is definitely gonna finish last and and go in and do that because if you guys didn't see Matthew

30:48Stafford when he accepted that MVP award said that he was coming back. He's back And so we will have Sam Donald in Seattle. We will have Matthew Stafford in LA and we'll have Brock party In San Francisco now if we look at the team that I think needs that has the most amount of needs past the Cardinals I think it's the 49ers. You've got to figure out what to do here With this team. I mean Christian McCaffrey had a fine year Receiving the ball right he They could not run the ball at all. I mean, there were multiple games McCaffrey had 18 19 20 carries it that went for 50 yards I mean it was it was his first season yards but carry I mean it was it was absolutely pathetic and so And a lot of that had to do with the fact that teams because they didn't have a true wide receiver one That they were able to go in and just kind of like basically focus on McCaffrey right and like I used to be out of town. They've already said that so they need they have to they've got to get a wide receiver one way shape Before I don't know if they're gonna trade for one. I don't know if they're gonna draft one I don't know if there's anybody in free agency the worth bringing in that they could actually think could be a wide receiver one

31:51I don't want to think this but George Kittle might have played his last game. Yeah, I was just gonna Like it's that's a tough road back and he's not young you know I don't think so Matt but regardless It's a tough road back and we're getting older when we talk about guys like him Kyle you check even right like these guys are getting older And so it's like even a Kittle does come back You just have to think at the advanced age It's probably a step slower, you know And so the defense needs so the defense had a bunch of problems too So that to me I think there's a clear tear why when I when I say like you know betting either exact as or exact finishes in this one I faded the 49ers this year. It was in the NFL betting guide. I lost that one they were able to overcome You know even what turned out kind of like I thought some injuries and different things whatever that soft casual Yeah, the soft skills were just played out for them So they got over that 10 and a half to get to 12 wins But I still have them is the very clear third team In that division and then basically you just have to talk yourself into whether you like sad or LA better

32:51I think I still like the Rams better. I like them better I mean a muff punt away. I think from playing in the Super Bowl You know, I mean just a horrific timed muff punt. Yeah, good chance and You know, I like them. I think better than I like Seattle. So it for me. It's probably a Rams Seattle 49ers Cardinals because you don't have a ton of needs on the Ram side of things now that you've got the quarterback You got the wide receivers. You've got the offensive line. You got the running backs like you're picking You're picking up luxury items at this point Infraagency in the draft Maybe addressed, but you know, if you have to address special teams, you're in a good place Can field a punt. Yes. Yeah, like anyone out there that can field a punt is basically Just for just for day on the surface of this You know, we saw I saw they released draft kings at least release Super Bowl and conference odds basically right after the Super Bowl Division we saw yesterday or late Monday night is when these these got released. I missed them on Monday Okay, I don't think it was any surprise to me back to see plus 950 on each of them for the Super Bowl 5 to 1 to win the conference

33:52Pretty big difference in the division price though, and yes, the schedule Uh, you know, first place schedule or second place schedule that comes into play a little bit Yeah, uh, you surprise to see that at all. I'm always surprised to see that big of a gap There's still the two best teams in football. They're the best two best teams in football. Yeah, there's still the two best teams in football Obviously injuries in the offseason can come into play, but still the best teams the two teams of football put a ball in this one We'll come back You Numbers game on Fisent these sports betting network The numbers game here on beast in these sports betting network map brown and Kelly Bidlin and Kelly have a thought here as we watch the Olympics go on behind us and we're We're fascinated by some of the stuff that's going on with with all of this, but I do wonder like do you think That Winter Olympics in particular because you have to live in a very specific place chair

34:55Has the most inferior of all of the athletes Because wow you have to live in a place that has snow or ice or whatever or in a country that is just always covered in snow or ice And stuff in order to even participate in these things in the first place much less Have it have it around you enough to become good at it and whatever so like you know what this isn't the pool so small that they're drawing from Well smaller. Yeah, yeah, the other one you the other one you didn't bring up Which I don't want to further dunk on the winter Olympics, but some of these You tell me people get into Bob sledding without like money involved I mean we talk about equipment costs for like hockey and football like how you They were showing yesterday during the curling A curling club, which is basically a country club, but for curl like you had to join right the club In order to do the car so I mean again, these are I mean bedwells did it in high school, right? Yeah, you know

35:55See you come back to bed in one of his five houses. Yeah, I mean that's the thing He probably had a curling wing in his house in Wisconsin, but you know getting not This they're still doing stuff that I could not do But what I'm saying I can't believe you're saying this when we've got this Nordic combine on right now I'm seeing these guys climb up hills on skis like I'd be dead on a hillside when you watch a sprinter sprint The only the only barrier to entry is is having a pair of shoes and then just you run and then you you find out The fastest person in the world. Yeah, okay, so there was some skis on you find out with a fast person fast person Is climbing the hill the barrier to entry there is like how many countries never even there doesn't snow ever I mean like I it never snow. I don't know if I'm good at that or not I might have this could have been my calling for all I know it doesn't snow in Louisiana How the hell am I supposed to know whether I can do this? Well track athletes are gonna struggle to run in snow, too If they grew up up north No, because it still gets warm enough to where you can just go run you run indoors Yeah, you know you can get in the tracks. I was waiting for the indoor cup. Yeah, there's everything you can do any of these things

36:57I don't like you bashing the winter Olympics. I think I think it's just saying I think that it is probably the weakest of all of the Olympic athletes And maybe even athletes in general Because it's just again, you're just drawing from such a small pool So summer I mean look summer Olympics is always better than winter, right? I like watching some of the weird events in where that's what's got like the bobsling against stuff It's awesome to watch so for example and then we'll move on But but just how do you even know that you can do a bobsling? I mean who in the world knows that they can do a bobsling Oh, I don't know. Do you see him saying? I mean like we were talking about earlier too I'm like I we as we discussed you know whether you're faster or not you knew that you were not fast Like when you were growing up like you knew that instantly you knew whether you could jump high You knew whatever all these other things stuff like you knew how far you could throw stuff all of these things You don't even know if you could do a bobsling You might have been the best dual bobslinger in the history of the world for all you know I don't want to brag or anything but high school football practices There's only one guy I was trying to beat every day in sprints That's that's where that separation It was me and one other guy. I was just bringing up the last

38:00Just say I mean again, they they're great at what they do and all I just think it's like it's probably a soft probably soft pool of athletes Yeah, yeah, yeah, if we tossed our best into this at a young age We would probably dominate all the things. I want to say Drew Dinsick would but would disagree with you But probably there's no reason that he was a collegiate swimmer. So probably not and there's also no reason There's no way for us to actually know about this So to put a bow here on NFC West. I do believe That the Rams and the Seahawks are fairly priced honestly from a Super Bowl in conference standpoint I don't look at any of the other teams In the NFC and see what I see in them now the upside of what I think the Bears could possibly be I think is certainly super interesting because second year under Ben Johnson and obviously you're going to go out you don't really need to do much on the offensive side of the ball But you're going to go out and address a couple of things on the defensive side And I think the Bears are at least super interesting from an upside standpoint can fill it

39:01Elfia get back to having a functional offense on a regular basis I guess we'll see are you more of a believer in that or doubter in that I kind of doubt it because I don't I think yeah, I think that they in in a Behind closed doors. They would like to get ready jbr. Yeah, I agree and I just don't know if there's a one for one Anybody out there that you could bring in that then makes that offense Back to what we saw two years ago. I mean, I'm starting to think of more than island with this I don't think the Eagles are like I think their odds are too short right now But just the way I asked you it I tend to believe more that we see an eagle bounce back this year more so than this continuing to be an issue But it's fast. I think it's one of the fascinating conversations again I see because I think Packers are probably blown exactly where they're at lions I expect to be better, but odds wise. I think they're probably right where they are the obvious worst to first candidate though Right, correct like they're the super obvious like when those markets come out and they will come out And I understand that it won't be a sexy number comparatively to the other

40:04But they're they're the obvious worst of first candidate. Mm-hmm. Yeah, like Niners bears. I think they're all right there Cowboys bucks feel a little short to me right now But you know wouldn't shock me if either one of those teams was played well and gotten to the playoffs this year Trying to think well, and I grew JVT I don't think it would be a shocker if the Falcons ended up playing They got all the pieces. They just don't have a quarterback right now I mean see ox have to pay JSN. They will so I'm not worried about that The running back situation Is Ken Walker good sure is he a dude that I think like makes a difference in your team? No, yeah, so I mean they probably move on for yeah, they probably move on from him, but that money We've seen so many good third round. I know I know running back. Sorry Seattle fans, but it's just Yeah, I don't think it's good for your team to think about to be thinking about him coming back And so I think you know, I think they're fairly priced in all of those so those are the ones for me that I really do say that honestly, I'm just gonna hope that there's some early season losses or something like that

41:05And I can get on one of them at a little bit better price. Yeah, I my only mistake this year. I made two I talked about it go dating back to November I thought it was very clear it was Rams and Seahawks in the NFC AFC was we my one mistake is I bet Seahawks win the NFC I should honestly I should bet the Rams to and I didn't bet the Seahawks win the Super Bowl at the same time So that was a mistake That I'm not going to make again this year. All right best bets for the show. It's won't be these quick We're going to start going through girls tennis bets whenever he has me is on vacation want to make sure You guys get them though if you want to play him ATP Dallas today Adrian Manorino minus 127 verse Adam Walton ATP Buenas eras Jalvan Seca who I know was a very popular last year 156 over Alejandro Tabillo Who I don't know that guy NBA for me to light raptors plus two and a half trailblazers plus seven and a half we talked about those earlier in the show Also it added Kansas twenty to one to win the NCAA tournament. I only NCAA future so far Will Hill college basketball from him today Virginia Tech

42:05Catching eight and a half at Clemson. Oh mess. Oh miss. Oh mess. Oh boy. Oh miss catching seven and a half Not a mess to He needs him to stay within seven and a half point Georgia plus nine and a half against Florida in the butler team total under 68 and a half Against Yukon down and cuff on as well He likes that Florida team total over 86 and a half at Georgia and we'll sell catching 12 and a half against VCU Jonathan Vantel. You will hear him on money moves. Uh, no, no fall the money later today Hawks plus four and a half at the Hornets. I like that one agree with him there as well It was chocolate jazz first half. He's avoiding that second half with Utah late and three and a half Against the Kings and you and I have golf bets to review friend. Yeah, we got a lot of golf going on here again If you want all of the full analysis of all of this you can go to the Long Charts pod You still have all day to listen to that puppy, but I am on Russell Henley as his Kelly Bidlin I uh The rest of mine go to Ben Griffin Daniel burger Ryan Gerard. These are a little bit longer shots here 31 to 1 41 62

43:0972 to 1. I am taking on Scotty and Rory I'm going to lose this far far far far more times than I win this But I think all of them do kind of possess the skill set that is a little bit different from what Scotty and Rory have and maybe they can kind of ham and egg it around this this course and And win with their wedge games and and making some puts or something top 20s on Russell Henley and Rio Hisatsune who is on fire Right now and a top 20 at plus 260 that includes ties as well I think that that's a really really good price on him. He's riding the heater right now He is inside the top 10 in this field and good drives as well Which is another stat that we really like Kelly. So I'm going to ride the Hisatsune heater I like it man. I haven't bet him yet But man, he is well on my radar and I think someone to watch out for this pj tour season Outrights for me ended up before really like Henley This week really like him McNeil A bit more of a foam up play but bet him every week and we'll go back to him with the outright market like Shane Lowry This is his first event back

44:09Overstate side 63 to 1 and then man. This has got to be the longest outright. I've played and I don't know how long 80 man field though Chris Kirk's games should fit your mat three missed cuts to start the season I'm going to give it. I saw 275 you love Chris Kirk. I do like Chris Kirk I am a Chris Kirk guy. Yeah, you you do 275 to one on him. I did add Henley in the winner without chef for market as well Top 10 on Henley top 20 on Henley and Henley in a matchup over Mots of Yama Also top 20s McNeil, Lowry, Pearson, Kudy and Ricky Fowl Again go in YouTube page you want to see our pretty faces right you can get the analysis behind all of that As well stick around prop points Jeff Erickson Nick Whalen following us and then as we said We're going to get some money moves action in here as well and then uh We'll have follow the money a little bit later. It is all we can do here Kelly. Let's go ahead and win some bets Let's do it. See you tomorrow