937 - Jason Martinkus: Doing Recovery Vs Living Recovery

In this conversation, Jason Martinkus discusses the evolution of his marriage coaching practice, Redemptive Living, focusing on the shift from sobriety to emotional work in recovery.

He shares insights from his personal journey of overcoming betrayal and the importance of character change, particularly humility, in the recovery process. The discussion also covers how to measure progress in recovery, emphasizing the difference between streaks and trends, and the significance of integrating data with emotional understanding in personal growth. In this conversation, the speakers delve into the importance of emotional connection in relationships, particularly in the context of recovery from infidelity. They discuss the need to meet emotions with empathy rather than data, the dynamics of emotional and physical affairs, and the significance of understanding core wounds.

The concept of the 'grieving boat' is introduced to illustrate the challenges faced during recovery, and the distinction between shame and conviction is explored. Ultimately, the conversation emphasizes the importance of building trustworthiness through character development and connection.

 

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Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Redemptive Living 03:11 Shifts in Recovery Focus 06:09 The Journey of Marriage Restoration 08:57 Character Change and Humility 11:51 Measuring Recovery Progress 15:01 Data vs. Emotion in Recovery 28:57 Emotional Connection vs. Data Response 31:07 The Role of Empathy in Relationships 32:50 Understanding Emotional and Physical Affairs 36:34 Embracing Core Wounds 39:29 The Grieving Boat Concept 45:55 The Importance of Connection in Recovery 51:15 Shame vs. Conviction 52:42 Building Trustworthiness in Relationships