#90 - Gerard Rennick - Australia’s Future, Fuel Crisis & The Two-Party System

0:00Hi guys, welcome back to Two World Squad Podcast. On today's episode we have Gerard Renick. I hope you guys enjoy. Yeah, mate, Gerard Renick. Fantastic to see you again. Man, I'm always been a big fan of your work, so what are you doing in South Australia? Yeah, hey Sam, how are you? Good to see you mate. Look, I'm in South Australia for the state election today. Just to talk to our party members, help out with Bob Dane and Australian Family Party. We've got a function tonight down at the inner city there and it's a good opportunity to catch up with everyone after they've been at polling and on the polls. Australian Family, I thought it was people's first party. We are, yes, we are people, so we didn't get registered in time, so we had to be registered last year by September. Yeah, so what are you down here? So we are helping the Australian Family Party, as like her backing for what they back

1:03here as well as the values. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, because I'm about to say I look for you on the ballot paper, were you in there? Yeah, no, we weren't. Yeah, yeah, we're all taking so, so the registration process is very cumbersome and because I was still tidying up from the federal election, I just said we just don't have the time and the resources to run in this year's, like, what was last year, next year's state election. Yeah, you saw also worried about the funding that they did down here where they maximise the funding you can take per, I think it's per candid at $5,000? Absolutely, and it's just symptomatic of what's going on across the country where the two major parties are trying to lock out the minor parties. They're basically depriving them of oxygen because obviously you need money to run. If you can't raise money, and now it's a function of the votes you got in the last election, then you're starting off from nothing. Because that's how you get your money, isn't it, from the last election of the results, you get taxpayer dollars funding, but depending on how many votes you got. That's right. That's how it works

2:04in South Australia. Fedually, you've got to get 4% of the vote to get any reimbursement of your costs. So for a minor party that starts off, you know, it's very hard to get to 4%, so it means whatever you raise, you spend it, then you will start from zero again. Where is the major parties because they get past 4%, once they might start with a million in a bank, raise a million, spend two million, and get it all back again. So they start the next election cycle with two million. Whereas the minor parties all get reset to zero. And then the next election cycle, they'll start with two, raise a million, spend three, get three million back, and start with three million. So they're building up, and so this is why it's really interesting. I won't write the Liberal Party off yet. Even though they're definitely going to, you know, they're on a lot of pressure, is that they're very asset rich. And the way they're set up is that they will continue to raise money, provided that they're very careful on how they spend it. And so that means that that will go and see they can turn up to the ballot box for a long time to come yet. What, you know, it's interesting. It's, I'm almost of the view, there should be no taxpayer funding, and everyone starts

3:08from zero every time. It makes it difficult, but then I think what we're ending up. What about the billionaires that will be in play like Clive Palmer's and Mike Cannon Brooks and Gina Reinhardt, what about them then? Well, look, it's interesting. So that's a very good question. Clive, you look at Clive versus Climate 200. Clive's the way he's spent his money has been a complete nutter failure. Oh, yeah. Right. Whereas the Climate 200 and the Teals have been very successful. And what's the difference between David Poecock? Yeah, but what's the difference between the two? The Teals have been very grassroots. Yeah, they get people to rock up. Yeah, that's right. And this is what we're trying to do at people first is to come back to a democratic grassroots system, which is what the National Party and the Liberal Party used to be, but it basically stopped being democratic. And even more importantly, they've stopped being, well, both are actually very important. A grassroots party, they've relied too heavily on their parliamentary wing and not got now into the community engaged with people on a face to face level. Just with the, just with the two party system, I had

4:10Ashton Herne in here. She's the leader of the SA Liberal Party. And I didn't even mean to trooper up in this, but she exposed herself in like the first 10 minutes of the podcast. Lovely lady though. Yeah, I wish her the best for today. And by the way, to anyone listening, we're recording this on Saturday. We're going to release on Tuesday. Yeah, correct. Yep. So just if we're a bit out of a few days in regards, we'll be using the lecture. Yeah, yeah. So, but yeah, I had her on and I said, you know, the one thing that people are pushing back on at the moment is this two party system. And I'm like, if I wanted to start a election campaign, as an independent here, I'm, you know, $5,000. That's all I can take, right? There's a maybe a few ins and outs here. I can, I can work around that. But if I go out of that, I can get in a lot of trouble. And Peter Mount, they asked this board in this ruling where, you know, like someone like him, he can get millions and millions of dollars off the last elections, results. So it ensures the two party system arena also said that, Peter Mount asked us to spend something like a hundred million dollars on advertising over the past couple of years in Seattle. Yeah, it's like, so I'm at kept at $5,000 and there's

5:14a hundred million dollar juggernaut advertising everywhere. Yeah. I'm like, what's your thought to that? And she goes, oh, yeah, we voted for that bill as well. Yeah. And I'm like, what? Why didn't you vote for that bill? And it's just, I know, okay, well, this is where the two party system comes in. So you guys work together knowing that you're going to get most of the votes. And then most of the money is going to come back to you. But if little old Sam wants to start something, they may not be right. And that's how we started the podcast. Yeah. And I'm like, do you think that like, like, why do you think now people are going towards other sides of, well, whether they're going to the far left or far right, a way of the main party out, why do you think that? I don't, you know, maybe it's social media pushing. I'm like, no, it's because of rules like that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, look, it's not entirely, she's not entirely wrong about social media as well, because that is very independent and driven by individuals and influences like yourself. But yeah. And it's real. But yet again, this will probably come back to bite the liberals in the backside now because their primary vote is going to, well,

6:15if you believe the polls and believe it, you know, I think it's going to be fairly accurate, uh, they're going to lose a lot of funding out of this. And this is what brought the man done back in 2016 when they changed the rules in the Senate, the voting rules of the Senate, where they went from compulsory voting in the Senate to optional voting in the Senate. They had a real beat for the bloke by the name of Ricky Muir, who was elected to to federal parliament from Victoria and the motoring enthusiast's party. Now, this party got less than 1% of the vote, but he still managed to become a senator. Now, uh, what they forget, the major parties when they tried to block Ricky Muir from ever happening again, was that 14% of people, over 14% of people voted for a party other than a major party. And that's the point of the Senate. That's why you've got proportional voting in the Senate and, um, preferential voting in the lower house is to give the minor parties a say. And they do play a very important role, especially in the Senate, where they're calling the two major parties out. Because if you only need 14% and that may come back to 12% if, um, Albanese increases the number of senators, uh,

7:18it enables, you know, it makes it easier for minor parties to actually have a voice at least in the Senate. And it's interesting as, you know, the last 20 years, we've seen a lot of the news and the bigger politicians come out of the Senate now. And it's because they're calling the two major parties out. But having said that, the weakness of relying on your senators for a national campaign so take myself, we've got 600,000 followers on social media, um, is that you might have a big number across spread across the country, but not all those people can vote for me in Queensland as a senator. And that's, that's the problem. And that's where the, the, the teals have been very, very clever. Is that they've gone out and actually done a lot of grassroots campaigning on the ground. They're only talking to people that will vote for them. Um, notwithstanding they've had a lot of money put behind them as well. But a lot of that money too has actually been channeled from direct donations. Um, so, and, and that's where you need that organizational structure within. And that's what I recognize. That's where I started people first. Um, and, yeah, we're doing okay. We're

8:20up to three thousand six hundred members. And we have to merge with a couple of other parties to get us up to seven or eight thousand. Um, this is where one nation hadn't done this in 30 years because Pauline never wanted to start branches. She has now and they've been, and they've been very successful by doing it. But you got it. I mean, the whole point of democracy is giving the person an individual a say. And the world's run by those who turn up. And as I say to, you know, your listeners today, um, don't spend 10 to 12 hours a week on social media only. Cut it back by a couple of hours. You can still spend 10 weeks on 10 hours a week on social media. And two hours actually out there in the, in the community letterbox dropping. But don't just talk to each other in your echo chamber because that's not actually going to influence the people, the swinging voters that you need to influence. No, what's your, so because, you know, made everyone's, you know, this, you've been a two party system and everyone's to sick of it. Now, like, even I'm sick of it, right? And yeah, I'm, I'm just, there's just labor, liberal labor, work together to vote on the,

9:22the hate speech group, group laws. And everyone after that was just like, that's it. You know what I mean? Like, I, I can't stand this anymore of these two people. What look and look, I see stuff online where you have been taken shots at Pauline vice versa. It's been going back and forth. Yeah. What's your no bullshit assessment on this side? And look, we might disagree here a bit. So I have to, yeah, yeah, yeah. Obviously, it's a great, it's very much good. And um, so what's your thoughts on this rise of one nation? Like, like, are you, are you worried about it? Or are you like, sort of been like, okay, well, at least something new's coming up? What, what is it? Yeah. Okay, can I just go back to that two party system, right? The problem with, it's not just the two party system. It's more systemic than that. It's across our entire social system. So the two party system is run by people who are basically yes men. And bureaucracy is run by people who are yes men. Our corporate sector is run by people who are yes men, right? Because we have centralised power so much in the hands of unelected people. So whether it's your bureaucracy, superannuation

10:25funds, like, so as I pointed out this many times, you don't get to vote, like, you're forced to give up top senior income. We were never given a vote on that 1992 by Paul Keating, right? That was just imposed on people that we'd start off a two percent and went to three percent and went to four percent. And the government just uses that as an investment fund, don't they? Well, the government doesn't use it. What does is you now've got three, well, you're four trillion in super three trillion is actually enhanced or private industry, well, industry funds and private retail funds. So which work with the government? Well, which work with the government? Yes, man. So you've got Wayne Swan, he's head of the industry fund. Oh, it's a Greg Combai. I forget Swan and Greg Combai are up there. Greg Combai might be pronouncing that incorrectly. Sorry. Maybe head of the overall industry fund sector. They all then use the same proxy advisor and vote together in corporations, right? So now corporations are driven by ideology, not productivity. So our two-party system is a result of our entire sector whereby we have lost integrity across our leadership, right across our society. And it's because anyone speaks up and it's not

11:31just in politics, they get their head shot off, right? So the rise of one nation is obviously a direct result of that. There's a lot of frustration and anger out there. So is it good that we're seeing the liberal party smashed? Absolutely. I mean, that's why I went out and started my own party as well. I wanted to, yeah, I wanted to actually lift the corporate governance and start branches have democratic pre-selections because yet again, a real critical part for me with the liberal party was when Scott Morrison signed up to net zero in October 2021. That was a back flip on a promise he made in May 19. He wouldn't do that. Now, the members of the liberal party knew South Wales were furious. It was highly likely that if there was a pre-selection held in Farrah and Mitchell, which was Susan Lay and Alex Hawke's seat, that basically they'd lose their pre-selection. So the federal executive stepped in and said, you know, courtesy has got Morrison. Said, well, we're not going to have pre-selections here. We're going to basically just put these people back in incumbent seats. So yet again, that was where the liberal party said, we're no longer

12:35going to listen to our grassroots members. We're going to listen to the faceless man and we're going to go along with the narrative, you know, the climate change narrative, even other members didn't want it, right? So that was, and that of course ended up, about two, and I was furious over that in the two weeks later, I just got in and updated with vaccine injuries and that was it, you know, we weren't doing the right thing. So the rise of one nation, but yet again, this is my concern with one nation, is that this has been driven by the mainstream media, right? It's been driven by polls. It's very similar to the rise of Zelensky in Ukraine, when this was a bloke that was an actor, you know, they put him in a role serving at the people, it started off as a drama. When he was elected in April 19, I think, he basically didn't do any of the presidential debates. It was all on the back of polls and reporting what the media do to basically push up political parties, include them in the polls and then start saying they're doing roll in the polls. Now I do believe that polls are fairly accurate, but it's also being driven by the media because once people think this party now has got a winning chance, people start backing it,

13:39right? I think though that's like, I don't see much positive stuff in the media though about Pauline Hanson. She gets a lot of uncritical media all the time. So when she went overseas for two weeks and skipped parliament, okay, so they didn't call it out. Didn't call it out, right? Didn't declare it either. Like she went over on Janus Jet. The hypocrisy of like, well, okay, I don't want to go into the world economic forum in Switzerland in January. It was the same thing on the right, okay. Yet again, she's been right for 30 years. In 1996, you know what, the immigration rate was in 1996 in Australia. There's a lot like 50,000, 30,000? 99, 98,000 and you know, the three biggest source countries were. Would have been China somewhere in Europe, Britain, New Zealand and Italy. Well, yeah. So, you know, we weren't being, and I think the Chinese... Not even China. No, well, about 10,000 Chinese I think out of that. What about Indians, do you know? They're very low-Indian. Very low-Indian. Yeah, I mean, that year. The Indian yeah,

14:41at the moment. Yeah. So our immigration, so immigration didn't actually take off until around 2008, as a result of the GFC. Yeah. And what happened in 2008? We started printing a lot of money. That's when we got... Well, the GFC occurred. Yeah. And then what Kevin Rudd did was allow temporary visa holders to buy housing. No. So prior to 2009. And that's when houses were 2-4 times yearly. Yeah. And was birth rate was at 2.1? Yeah. So now we're screwed. Yeah. So it was financially driven, right? But yet again, and that was a result of the decisions made in 1985 and poor Keating lifted capital controls and let us go from $8 billion in front of debt up to $800 billion in front of debt on 2008. So in 23 years, basically one generation. Yeah, house prices went from four times earnings to eight to 10 times earnings. The creation of the childcare industry in the late 90s is a result direct to direct result of that. And then in 2008, we let foreign students start buying houses, all the parents and foreign students or whatever. And then this has been the creation of the university sector. That is what's driving immigration is basically popping out the economy.

15:43So and of course, so thank you. You know, long I've been saying that for like our broken economy is driving immigration. Everyone's like, no, it's not. Well, it feeds an hour to vicious circle, right? So it's also feeding house. So they're both feeding each other. So immigration is driving up house prices as well. So vicious cycle of debt though, right? Absolutely. That's what we're doing here is we're servicing our debt. Absolutely. Yeah. And what we're doing is we're bringing in equity from so we basically tapped out our private banks couldn't borrow any more money, they tapped themselves out. So the way we now bring in the foreign capital is not through the foreign debt through banks, but through foreign equity brought in by immigrants who will bring their money here to basically prop up the housing market. But then that feeds, you know, the likes of real estate.com. I'm going to use corp. It feeds the building industry. It feels you know, it feeds the university sector. So all of these interests now are dependent upon immigration and our corporations

16:43because they are governed by yes, man, they're too lazy to train people. So they'd rather import foreign labor than train our own children in real skills. I mean, it's easy to send them off to university and let them, you know, you know, do 15 contact hours a week and bludge their way and drink their way through uni. It's much harder to get them out of school at year 11 or get them in a military school or a apprenticeship school, teach them a real skill where you've got to be on the workshop, teaching them how to use tools and then teach them how to build things, which is what we need to be doing. So what you're telling me is practically our economy is broken and we're importing people to prop it up. Yeah, yeah, it's basically now built on castles of sand. Yeah, it's built on financial engineering and not real engineering. And that's where we need, and that's where, yeah, because yet again in 1985 combined with that really relaxing capital controls by Keating, was a bloke brother named John Button, who's the senator of Victoria, introduced what they called a button plan, which is where they started reducing tariffs on car manufacturing and things like that. So yet again, but this is a classic thing, you know, if you've got a problem, you don't

17:45walk away from it, you fix it. Exactly. So, you know, we did have inefficiencies in our car sector, there's no doubt about it, but you don't solve that problem by walking away from it. I mean, we're here in South Australia, which is the home general, you know, not general, sorry, Holden, I'll slip in the tongue there. You know, we, you know, it was a disgrace, we let that go off short. You know, if we do want to be sure that was ever, wasn't it? No, no, no, this all started back in the 80s with the button plan. Yeah, yeah. Now I took a number of decades, just like I took a number of decades financially for that, because as we reduced tariffs, we became less than this competitive relation waiver, right? So, so to an extent, you know, that was a fair argument, but no one ever asked the question when we were, because they kept saying, oh, the, the general motors and Toyota and so we can't make money here. No one ever asked the question, how much in interest royalties and rent did they pay off shorel back to their home countries or some island in the middle, some tax-free haven? And I'll tell you how much they paid in interest royalties

18:47rent to make sure they never made a profit here, because if they did, they'd pay $0.30 in a dollar. Whereas if you can, some of our tax treaties with the USA are zero. So you can pay interest royalties and rent offshore, American companies can pay interest royalties and rent back home, and there's no withholding tax on those royalties. Where does all your, where does all your bills go when you pay for something on Facebook? To Island. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. And yeah, there's no, and the ATO lets Facebook argue that the source of the revenue is Island, which is complete rubbish. I'm making the content. Exactly. Yeah. So, but not only that, if your toilet breaks down and you call a plumber here in Adelaide and your toilets here in Adelaide, the source is here. And just because it's getting rerouted back to Island on cables that were built by you and all, you know, by the tax paid for by the tax payer or the Irish tax payer, you know, it doesn't mean to say meta gets a free break, but they do. And yeah, I just did a post last night on how they're now lobbying Daniel Mochino, I think his name is, a labor assistant

19:52treasurer that they want to set up data centers here, but they want tax breaks to do it. And yet again, but, you know, so going back to the the 80s, we walked away from our manufacturing sector. So not only did we blow up our debt levels, and we've de-skilled ourselves in the capacity to repay, you know, we've lowered our earnings capacity to repay that debt. And then there's one other consequence of that really lifting capital controls was was that savings banks, because there was no macro-appidential controls could now could now go out and become investment banks. So the Victorian, the same happened here in South Australia as well. The Victorian state bank went and bought a merchant bank or Tri-continental. And that basically went broke in the late 80s. That sent the Victorian state bank broke and almost the bought down the Victorian government sent that broke. So they had to start privatising infrastructure to basically pay for this debt from the Victorian state bank when it went broke. And I think the South Australian state bank started buying property here. And they went broke as well. I should have, I'm not sure what happened

20:56with the South Australian bank, but they should have held on to that property because they would have recovered if they got properly financed. But, you know, when I worked at the bank in Queensland 20 years ago, for every million dollars we laid out, only $400,000 of that was from savings here in Australia. The other $600,000 was from offshore, as a part of that 800 billion I was talking about. But if we hadn't had capital controls relaxed, the most of the bank in Queensland could have gone out was $400,000. Now that was a virtuous cycle because that tied house prices to the earnings of the prior generation, given the generalities retirees who had the bulk of the savings right. So that meant that house prices could never exceed our earnings capacity or our savings capacity here in Australia. And that's a virtuous cycle. When we relaxed that capital control and allowed all this foreign debt in, we've now made ourselves slaves to foreign banks. Oh yeah. And to pay that off, we've had to basically sell our infrastructure. And then we foolishly de-skilled our own, you know, children and not just de-skilled them brainwashed them by sending them off to university. And not only, and in provisioning them even more by whacking

22:0112% superannuation on top of them, which if you earn 80 grand when you first graduate, you need 50 grand deliver on your pay 20 grand tax. That last $10,000 you can save, 12% of 80,000, 9,600. So nearly 100% of their savings capacity is sent to some bloke they've never met in an ivory palace in Sydney or Melbourne or Adelaide wherever. And they just left the institute. And you wonder why they're voting for the Greens. And this is the problem we're at. And this is obviously led to, and as I like to say, our freedoms are a child of affluence. Like don't, don't, I can't overemphasize the importance of having been wealthy, not billionaire wealthy, but owning your own house. No mortgage by the time you're 45. Yet again in COVID, I think we might touch on this last time. If you had a million bucks in the bank and no debt and your boss said you got to take this jab, you would have said, get stuffed, you know, see you later. But if you've got a million dollar mortgage,

23:01you know, and hex debt and you got kids bills to pay, you got to, you got to take that jab and sum it up. You're a slave to the system. Slide to the system. So this is the mess and it's the entire west. Yeah, it's not just here. You know, the state says $4 trillion in debt. And yes, you can say that it's all very well. The Americans can print their own money. But you know, in order to prop up that debt and their dollar, I mean, we've never, you know, this middle-eastern scenario, which is causing its own problems as well. So, but so going back to your question about one nation, yes, it's good to see the liberal party collapse. Two, two degrees. So we've got to be careful and I often hear people come and say, oh, we want a revolution. I go, no, you don't want a revolution. What your one is a reformation. You don't want to have a revolution in, it requires burning the place down and starting again from scratch. I said the other down, a real, I said, it was after the $15 billion in Melbourne was just like mysteriously misplaced by the unions, right? Yeah. And I just said, who's ready for the revolution jokingly? Yeah,

24:02I had like hundreds, hundreds of messages and emails being like, I'm ready to burn the place down. I'm like, I was only joking. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's the thing. I know that people are ready to burn the place down. Oh, they don't do it. They are. Yeah. They people are just, we went down to a voting booth today. Yeah. I mean, Scotch Allen. Yeah. And we interviewed some lady and she started crying. Yeah. She started crying. She's like, I just like, I'm supposed to get to this destination today. Yeah. I do not have any money to get there. Yeah. And she started crying. So we gave her some money. Yeah. And I'm like, I'm not going to say how much because I don't want to say like a dick. But we gave her some money to make sure she gets put some petrol in to get to the place and then to make sure she had a combination that night. But it's like, I've never seen anyone just like openly cry to me before. I have, I've had a few people come up and just cry to me and hug me because they're like in the situation to remember. This is where people are out there. Yeah. I've never seen this before. This is where people are out there. They're just broke down. They are angry at each other. They're turning on each other and they just feel like

25:05there is no, they feel like there's no. Yeah. And that's a result poverty. Poverty will bring out the worst in people because they're under stress. They're under pressure. You know, if you're tied, you're hungry. You know, I mean, everyone knows you get moody. You know, the world's, you know, it's tough. Right. If you're in a secure job, you've got a full belly roof over your head. You're just more calm and relaxed. And that's where we've got to turn things around. And that's, and yet again, we go back to the two parties system. These parties because they're all yes men don't actually have a vision. And that's the one thing that's sadly lacking in Australian politics. So what's your issues with, with one nation? My issues is that basically the governance inside the party isn't adequate. I mean, that's changed as a result of starting people first. But up until, so Pauline told me one day in the chamber, she doesn't want to start branches. And I was quite shocked. I mean, it came, I forget what we were talking about. She said, yeah, now I don't want branches. I don't have to deal with factions and all that stuff. And she said that publicly too. Yeah. But she's got them now though. Well, she's got them now because we

26:07started branches. So we basically outmaned one nation up in Queensland last year in a federal election. And you can't underestimate the importance of being on those pre-poll boots and boots just getting your brand out there. I mean, everyone knows that. I seen it today, man. People are coming in not even know who they're voting for. They're not even caring about it. Yeah. They get handed a slip by someone on like their labor everywhere. Yeah. They get handed a slip by a labor. They walk in and they vote for labor because someone handed that slip. That's exactly right. I would not believe it. Yeah. I was asking people coming in who you're voting for. Don't know. They take this from a labor go and they vote labor. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. No, it's it's yeah. Or put it this way. They will care for the three minutes every three to four years. They've got a vote. And even if they don't necessarily follow the card or vote for you, they see it. You're shirt out there. You know, the brand things like that. It builds awareness of the brand and the party. And if you've got a good how to vote card, it can really, you know, it's that one chance every three years to get your name out there, especially for a minor party like us. Right. So there's the corporate governance. But you just talked about the 15 million.

27:10The billion. Right. Okay. Who voted against the insuring integrity bill back in October 2019 to clean up corruption in the unions? Paulie. Yes. Right. Okay. Why did you do that? Who voted against? Well, who didn't turn up for the hate crimes bill, hate speech bill with 2025? Yeah, was this the previous one? Yeah, the first one. And the first one was the bad one because it was the one that changed it from intent to careless. Yeah, yeah. Right. So, you know, it's one thing to go out and say, you know, even though this is, but, you know, if you had a deliberate intent, but careless means, you know, guys like Damien, Richard, Richard's an in Victoria, even though that he's been caught out of state law, you can do a sign or something and anyone wants to come after you can say they were offended. Yeah. And basically you're in trouble. Yeah. I'm well aware of her voting record where she's really against a lot, like she's voted against a lot of stuff. And you go back and look at that and you think, I don't like that at all. I don't like, I don't like that. But I think the reason, the reason she is starting to really take, you know, a bit of a, or just starting to

28:13not take over but have a massive influence within this political system that we're seeing is because people are done with this. Oh, I get it. I get it. And they're just seeing, they're seeing like the option now. Yeah. There's some, and like, I don't like her voting record. But like, I mean, I voted in, I for one nation in South Australia, I voted for Corridor in our house, you know, something with him. Thank you, nice guy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I get on well with Corridor. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't say it's a matter of mine. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I also had, at Ashton Hunt. Yeah. And I'm just like the two difference. I invited Sarah Damien, she never came in. I invited Pena and Peta Mal and Asuka here and I invited the Greens in. They just didn't come in. Yeah. Right. So I had, I, I, and just personally meeting, I'm like, I'll really like Corridor. Yeah. You know, I just straight shooter. He's pretty much the similar. Yeah. Very similar view. Yeah. And that was a reason. But yeah, I just think it's just this, I mean, man, you could put, you could put a monkey with a suit on and say they're something different from the two parties and people would be like, yeah, maybe I might vote for that. That's

29:16yeah. Just fed up. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. And so yet again, though, we've got to be careful when we burn the place down that we've got some sort of a something to replace it with. Yeah. That makes sense. I don't want it because what's going to happen? And this is my concern is Albanese is still sitting on 55, 56% of the vote. So Pauline is cannibalising the coalition vote, which is good because they needed a good kick up the backside. And she's getting some of the labor vote now. We'll have a better idea after today. How much labor votes she's getting even. I think Melon Lucas down is pretty. Oh, he's safe and he'll he'll wrong. Yeah. Who will. But then there's a third of liberal voters that won't vote for one nation. So the question is, and we'll see this is the next federal election, is one nation going to eat into Albanese is two pp vote and can, you know, she bring down Albanese. Yeah. So an interesting thing. I think the interesting thing here as well, if the polls keep going the way they're going and it shows that labor is actually bleeding votes through one nation, I think there will be an early election late

30:20this year or early next year because you're Anthony Albanese who will go, well, I'll just sacrifice a whole bunch of seats in the lower house, but I'll still keep power. But if they keep letting this roll on and thinks he's going going the way they're going, I think something like that might rise up in the right and then he'll get decimated. Yeah. I don't know that he will go this year. They've got a Victorian state election. Yeah. So might be early next year. Yeah. But then you're up New South Wales. Yeah. So he can go as late as May, 2028. He might go late next year. Yeah. This is my thing with with one nation polling. I've met her. I've had her on the podcast. I said in front of her that I like you, you're a good friend or like we have to say. And I'm going to say the same thing in front of you. I, you know, she seemed like a lovely lady very, very nice lady. spoke to her. I spent some time with her. But my one criticism of her has been she supports his foreign conflict overseas. Yeah. And I just made I can't maybe it's the old broken soldier in me, but I just can't I cannot. I just don't want to see another generation of young men. Yeah. Like myself go over and spend a bunch of time there,

31:24six months, seven months, come back and take a decade to recover. Yeah. Absolutely. And and still have, you know, nightmares and and still have some tough times that I have to deal with and still have mates that have died over there and family members that have died over there and that and then the anniversaries come up every single year and it's, you know, you dread the days when they come up. Yeah. It's the toughest days. And I also think to myself as well, you know, there's no 1999 to 2001. They're not releasing any obscene files. Yeah. Where we really over there for what we were there for. Yeah. Which is a very, very hard question to ask myself over the past three months. It just battle with it. Yeah. You know, bloody battle with it. But I just don't want to see us go over for another conflict which they told us in Iraq, it was for the weapons of mass destruction, but they were numb. Yeah. In Afghanistan, we replaced the Taliban with the Taliban after 20 years. Yeah. And Libya is just a shithole. Yeah. And you've got Al-Qaeda in Syria. Yeah. Al-Qaeda in Syria. And then what what what rose up after taking Iraq?

32:26Yeah. And I just think maybe things are just better left untouched. Yeah. You know, and refugees here and more terrorists because if you drop a bomb on your family's house, we've been born on for the past two decades. Yeah. And everyone's surprised where they're here. Yeah. And I'm like, well, they're here because we've been bombing them and then we have a government that has so much suicide or empathy that takes these people in. But that's my only criticism. I came out and criticized her the other day saying, no, thanks. I don't want any part in this. I mean, Australia can have a different surely. There has to be some different diplomatic perspective we have on this rather than just getting ourselves thrown into supporting another war. Now, I don't want to see any of it. Like we can support it from a long way away and say, yep, yep. You guys have the right to do whatever you want over there, whatever. But like, and then on the day, we need to be focusing on the issues we have here, the debt we have, the integration we have here, the oil, like we got two refineries. We import 80% about oil now and we used to, we used to, we used to,

33:30we used to have 80% of our oil made dug up and drilled up and refined here. We used to have eight refineries now. We have two. You know, what about all our green energy sector? That's just running an absolute route through the whole country and everyone's paying power bills and nothing's really sufficient anymore, but we've got coal and gas fields everywhere. It's like, why don't we just concentrate on everything here? Make ourselves a bit of a superpower so no one can really invade us. You know what I mean? Okay, so you've got, you've covered a lot of stuff in that. Sorry, I just, I've been right. There's a bit of that sort of in that because I just, I'm just passionate, man. I just don't want to see more young men. Yeah, absolutely. Well, did they teach you Maca Valley as a prince at military school? No. Okay, well, I should have chapter three. You can't win a war of occupation, right? The standing armies will never succeed because you go, if you're a family, you're not taking your family to Afghanistan, for example, you're going to get home sick pretty fast, right? So, and that's why if you look at Alexander, the great, he left his generals behind. So it's a marry. Yeah, it's a marry, marry, and breed. And you know, because ultimately, you know, it's reason why Jesus is still around up 2000 years

34:34is because, you know, he turned water into wine through lots of parties, right? You know, that type of approach is much more permanent than killing people. So, and yet again, the other chapter 12 in Maca Valley is the princes. You can't use mercenaries or acceleraries, right? So yet again, you can't bring in soldiers from the other side of the world and think that they're going, yeah, putting aside the hard, you know, trying to win in Iran's practical mission impossible. It is, it is mission impossible. Yeah, if you know the terrain there, yeah, you ain't winning. Yeah, I've been to Iran. I spent two weeks in Iran. Yeah, 1999. Yeah. So I actually, well, I had seven years overseas. So I came home, I flew across to from London to Moscow, and then I caught a train down all the way down through Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Uzbekistan's a fantastic country, Tajikistan, then into Turkmenistan. Then I crossed into Iran, had two weeks there, then went across to Pakistan, traveled up to Pakistan, went through Punjab and then back in India,

35:34crossed Northern India, into Nepal, did the Annapurna Circuit there, you know, did some paddling, what water paddling, and then flew down into Southeast Asia and back across to Indonesia and then out to Nias, where I served there for a month, which was pretty good, and it did a loop around Southeast Asia and came home. Nice. Yeah, so that was the second lead. Yeah, different trip. The first time I went out, I also, so I had two years on the road, went to about 85 countries. The first trip was Turkey, went to the Anzac Daily Police, ceremony there, three weeks there, flew across to Pakistan, did the roof of the world on an overland truck trip all the way across to Beijing, then from Beijing, back up through Lake Pical, through Mongolia, Siberia, yeah, Russia, then down through Eastern Europe, then came back through Turkey, then it was Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Israel, and then in Egypt, two weeks of driving on the Red Sea, then went back to Spain, Portugal, and down to Morocco, Italy, Senegal, anywhere you didn't go there.

36:36Haven't been Ethiopia, I'd like to go Ethiopia, and Libya, and Tunisia, and then, I still haven't been in Japan, South Korea, yeah, that's probably it, and then I want to do a proper road trip in the Western States, you know, we're just camping and all that, so there's a few little boxes I haven't teased, but I'll leave that till I'm done with politics, yeah, but fascinating country I run, and very pleasant people, I'll never forget the day I crossed over in Turkmenistan, and the first year I arrived in was Mashaad, and I had them alone, this was back when you were right on Lali plant at the books, and this soldier came up talking to me, and I just literally shit my pants, thinking, oh, here we go, you know, but all the heat was, we ended up finding someone to speak English, all he wanted to do was give me directions, and this is why, and all that traveling I did, you know, I spent hours sitting in bus stops, and all of this stuff, was, we're all the same, we all want the same thing, we all want to roof over our head, food and the stomach and beddie for our children, and we want the government out of our lives,

37:40and this is why I hate demonizing, and we can see it now, you know, we've got to go to war, you know, we're getting the bloody war mongers, you know, revving up the war, it's like, no, no, as you said, and I'm glad you, he said that, is that we need to lead with diplomacy, yeah, and especially a country like us in Australia, we're a small country, isolated country in a self-procific, you know, our greatest defancy is diplomacy, first and foremost, we've always got to try and find a diplomatic solution to everything, because the consequences of it going wrong is you've just pointed out, are your dead mates, our dead mates, our dead children, and for what, so that we can make the bankers rich, don't think so, you know, and this is why I just hate people, I just hate the war mongers in the armchair, especially the armchair war mongers, especially people that have never been a war, you know, a few people call me a cow this week, and a few people call me out, for my views in not wanting this, not wanting this conflict, but it's like, have you ever seen a fucking, you know, someone die right in front of you, have you, you know, have you ever had to take a life, like, yeah, shut the fuck up, yeah, that must haunt you forever, yeah, yeah, and I mean,

38:44I know we've spoken off, spoken off camera about this, but as you've said, you know, you've got to know if Gowney's, and people over there, you know, like, yeah, it's pretty hard when you get to know these people, you know, you see them face to face and you see their children, suddenly realise, well, they're just like you and me, why are we fighting these people? Yeah, yeah, and look, you know, look, the world's been a war for thousands of years, but, you know, we're in the 21st century where war now can mean, like, tactical, tactical at nukes being dropped on, yeah, on cities, and this is the one thing that I really, really get worried about with Iran, I'm sorry, like, you cannot invade it, like, you will lose hundreds of thousands of troops, it is a natural fortress, yeah, it's protected by mass mountain ranges everywhere, you don't think there's like thousands of choke points, thousands of ambush points, they are, they would have tunnels everywhere, half of their missiles would be out of there, you know, these drones, they're $10,000 to produce, they can produce hundreds of thousands of them in, you know, months or weeks or whatever,

39:48and then the interceptors that are intercepting them cost a million dollars a pop, but they need to use five of them to get one drone. It's like, guys, where are we going with this? And then the straight-of-form musk is shut down, I just don't see, I don'ts, I just, and, you know, and then you have everyone come out and be like, oh, you know, the Iranian people were massively pressed, a lot of pressed, I get that, but the Afghan people were also pressed by the Taliban, so we would still be there as soon as it's just by the means, that's right, so like the reason, yeah, is it for the straight-of-formers, is it for Israel to get straight greater expansion, is it for America to get soft control over the Middle East, so the oil supply that goes to China is in under America's control, like, it's just so many other things here, though. Yeah, oh, there's a million arguments in all of that, that's right, but the ultimate question has to be does the ends justify the means. So, you know, if we look at Iraq, it didn't. Iraq actually probably led to then Syria, because what happened when it's an armed fellow who's that the shears got, and Joe Kent talked about this with his Tucker Carlson podcast this week,

40:51the shears basically have the largest population in Iraq, it's sheer, sonite, and then Kurds, so then it was a land bridge through to the shears in Lebanon via Syria, so then they had to go back in, you know, using proxies such as al-Qaeda and ISIS to fight and to stop basically the sheer connection rights of the sonilist, they basically have proxies fighting the shears, but if you could win, you know, and relatively cleanly, and the miss is very clinical, maybe it might be worth it, right? But yet again, you know, you go back to 1953, we had it, they had a really good president, democratically elected president, Mohammed Mossadak, and they have the CIA overthrowing, right? And then they put shower in who, you know, compared to today's regime, it was better than today's regime, really, that's what we're told, but then that led to this regime, but finally enough, I met some Iranians when I was a senator who came in my office, and they seemed to think that the, who was it, Kamenia, whoever, that was organized by intelligences,

41:59well, to get rid of the Shah, right? So because he started speaking out about Israel, so that shocked me, so I thought that was an organic thing from within Iran, and I don't know, I don't know what the truth is there, I'm not saying, yeah, I don't know. But yet again, you know, as we know, Afghanistan, you know, can you win the war or not, and you know, going back to Maccabelli, you can't usually win wars of occupation, you'd got it settled there, and I wish to Iranian people all the best, and everyone in the Middle East the best. I do get annoyed having traveled through there that everyone, they're just all labeled Muslims, I mean, you've got Arabs, Egyptians, Persians, Iranians, Turks, Kurds, Syrians, like they have, you want to talk about multiculturalism, that's multicultural melting pot right there, and that history stems back five, six thousand years, it's fascinating. One of the things I went to, I couldn't do it in the 90s, because Iran was shut off to Westerners, I went down and saw the alamite ruins, tells down in Subnau Iran, yeah, because these, the alamites are around about the same time as

43:04the Samarians were, but it's just fascinating, you know, that the ancient history through there, and that's in its selfish reasons too, another reason I hate all these conflicts in the Middle East, I would love to go back to Iraq, and just look at those ancient ruins, I mean, it's just fascinating. I would love to go back to Afghan always with someone last night who had recently just been there, with some business over there, and he's like, man, the place is like beautiful, I know it's beautiful, you've got some mountains up there where you think if you walk to the top of it, you might actually meet God, that's how high they are, and it's beautiful, beautiful landscape, and I would, I would love to go back there one day, and I think it's actually relatively safe these days, to travel back there, there's a lot of dudes with AKs around, but you know, they do like Aussie tourists, you can't actually go there, but I would love to go back and travel that part of the world again, it's just like, and for me personally, now I fought in a war over there, and you know, 3000 years before that Alexander the Great fought in a war over there, so it's been a long, long history of just warriors fighting over in Afghanistan. Yeah, and getting stopped there, they've been stopped in British Empire too, yeah, they

44:07will stop the Russians. Yeah, that's right, no one's taken over after this then, you can't, you can't do it. Yeah, and you think, you know, these, these loaned attacks that think they're going to, you know, rewrite, well not rewrite history, but they're going to, you know, change, you know, the rules of history is, it's, yeah, why do it? Yeah, I think the US have just got in a, they're a bit too in over their head in this one. Deep state, yeah, not United States, I like to distinguish between the two, I, yeah, and I'm not convinced the American people want this either, I mean, my view is the Balkan Maga voted for Trump because they wanted to nend to these endless wars, not more, another intractable war, and this one will be messy if they go in boots on the ground. If they go in boots on the ground, they have to dedicate years to it, you can't just romp this in. Yeah, unless they use tactical nukes. Yeah, and no one wants that. Yeah, and tactical nukes, well, where does that go? The world will turn. Yeah, the world will turn on and guarantee you that. Yeah, and that's the other thing, you know, I still say to this day that the United States greatest power is its soft power. Oh, you know, it's like Mustangs, you know, rock and roll music, cheeseburgers, you know, and that's, that is, you know,

45:12they don't want to lose that, you know, and if they get involved in too many wars, I mean, there was a time once, and I was fortunate enough to travel in the 1990s when, you know, it was pre-September the 11th and it was post the fall of the Berlin Wall. So the 1990s was, you know, it was extremely lucky. The world was a very optimistic place. I mean, the biggest scandal in the 1990s was Bill Clinton getting a blowjob from Monica Lewinsky, right? I mean, I don't mean to sound crass, but seriously, that was the biggest scandal. Yeah, it was, oh, well, there was a bit going on in Bosnia to be fair, but that was very contained to a small party of Europe. But that's also Europe, right? Yeah, that's Europe. It's not. Yeah, there's no massive oil fields out there. No, that's right. And I mean, I was living in Europe throughout that period. And, you know, basically, there was never any feeling that World War III was about to break out or anything like that. It was extremely contained. Where was this thing just, you just feel like we're getting out of hand, you know, and it's it's, and then, you know, I just can't believe the amount of people that, you know, have never really seen combat before, they want this. Yeah. And they want this for, I don't know, it just, whether it be global domination

46:19from, you know, America or, or they want, you know, China or Russia to have less power in Iran. Yeah, it just, I don't, I don't like, I just can't agree with it. Yeah, no, and, and yeah, look, I've been in your situation, but I come out from a different way I had traveled the world. And I'm like, why would we want to go and kill people we've never met? You know, because, you know, what governments are up to? Yeah. And, you know, it's interesting. I've read this a few times now on the social media. It was that the British envoy to these talks between the USA and Iran about this nuclear program of theirs was that Iran had agreed to give up there in rich uranium. I mean, Iran until I was bomb last year was a signatory to the non-proliferation pact. And as Joe Kent pointed out during the week, they've got a fat wire against producing nuclear weapons. It's in there 2004, like, you know, agreement with their religion, that they don't want to have a, whether you believe that on another question. Exactly, whether you believe it, but at the same time, where should we really believe, you know,

47:22and as John Mosheema, if I'm pronouncing his name correctly, says they don't have the military capacity to hit the states. And also as well, Trump told us that he'd destroyed their nuclear program not only six months ago. Yeah, exactly. So why were he destroyed? Yeah. So, you know, and adding the chemical weapons and mass destruction that never existed and suddenly in Al Qaeda, the people that apparently flew planes into the World Trade Center, we're now, that's okay to run Syria, is it? That they're running Syria and Jalani was in the White House with Trump not that long ago. You sort of like, what is going on here? And why don't people question this stuff? I asked Penny Wong that actually was one of my last questions as a senator. One good thing about actually being in, you know, we're not delivered, but it was actually, you know, I had an opportunity to ask questions in question time. Alex, next time we get Alex on the show, I'll ask him about that. They never let Alex ask questions. But yeah, and she couldn't give an answer. And I was like, well, and the answer was, all we're going to have democratic elections. Well, I don't think there's been elections in Syria since Jalani's taken over. So yet again, you know, all this stuff, we were going to

48:27fight for democracy. Yeah, no, I don't think so. But even like, thinking you can fight, from fight for democracy when you're in Australia, it's like, come, go, it's like, yeah. Like, how about we just worry about securing our borders and making Australia an absolute bit of our house? Like, and I mean energy powerhouse fully. I'm over this bullshit of hearing that, you know, we like export this and import this and all this stuff. I get that. I get that way to do it. But how about we make this place 100% self-sufficient? So if something does go wrong, if trying to do cut off our shipping routes, if they do cut off everything, that's, you know, we need to come in like we have 100% of our fertiliser, 100% of our oil, 100% of our coal and gas. And we start using the uranium fields. It's 600 Ks north of here to start looking at nuclear and we're not putting our eggs in all one basket of this green energy scheme. How about we become a powerhouse? So if something does crack off around the world, we can just be like, okay, we might take one side and we might support one side, but no one's getting anything from us. Yeah. Okay. Why don't we just do that? Yeah. And let's remember, you signed up to

49:29destroying defense force, not destroying our defense force. Yeah. And that's what we need to focus on having strength and position here. But sound diplomacy, it's always got to lead with sound diplomacy. So what stopped us from doing that sort of stuff that I just come up with? Well, I mean, so we stopped the military apprenticeships game in early 90s. So that's one of our policies of people first is to bring back the military apprenticeships game because if we want to get our country back on track, we've got to build the infrastructure. But to build the infrastructure, we got to start training out apprentices, you know, offering apprenticeships again. But to do that, because we've got it, our manufacturing sector, we actually need to bring back a military to do it because we don't have a big enough manufacturing sector to do it. And the other thing is that, and the other thing is when we privatized our infrastructure, the old energy boards that used to offer apprenticeships as well to state government schemes, a lot of them have disappeared as well. So we've got to go right back to basics and start training our children in the skills that matter. Go back to building infrastructure that generates recurring revenue. And this is what, you know, so Queensland's a good example. And I suspect South Australia was the same. When

50:33Joby Ocupederson and Leah Hilsher opened up the coal mines in central Queensland, they started from by doing that. They started generating royalties from the coal. Then they had to build the train lines to get them to the coast. So they generated freight charges from BHP for the to use their our train lines, the state owned train lines. And then the ships had to come into port and pick up the coal. So by opening up these resources, you started generating three forms of recurring revenue, royalties, freight charges and to merge and port charges. And then that would pay for the recurring costs to schools and hospitals. And we sold our infrastructure. This is why state governments win so much trouble. They've sold their future income streams. And, you know, in Queensland, we sold our port of Brisbane for six times earnings, for a hundred times, you know, for a hundred year lease. Our forestry plantations were sold for five times earnings. And who bought these? Oh, well, I'm not sure who, I'm not sure who owned, is it P.O. World, or who's the guy that Chris Corrigan worked for? It's probably some foreign business, right? For some foreign investment. Definitely foreign. Yes. So put a new castle was sold

51:36to 2013 by the new South Wales State Government. That was bought by Hastings. And I know the Chinese were involved in it. Macquarie Bank was owned in it. And yet again, you know, Macquarie Bank has been at the centre of a lot of these privatisations. And their logo is the Holy Dollar. So how did someone look at this and say, yeah, this is a good outcome for you? Because they were brainwashed. I was there when it happened. I was doing my battery. So I bought 1970, went to high school grade eight, started business principles grade nine. So from 1984 through to 1990. So I did two years of business principles, two years of accounting and senior, three years of commerce, then my professional qualifications. It was all free markets, free markets, free markets. So the idea, we were told that basically markets fix everything. Now, you know, the markets are important. They're an important mechanism for buying and selling goods.

52:37Yeah, but there's two outcomes in a market. There's no such thing as a free market, right? It's one of these oxymoronic statements. I've never been to a market that's free in my life. If you look at a set of financial statements, the first thing you'll look at is a profit or loss statement. So you're either making money or losing money. And just quickly going back to the war, the question is, do you win the war or lose the war? You don't lose the war. It's not worth doing it, right? So the question need to ask yourself in any market is, are we making money? And as a politician and someone wants to govern, you've got to govern in a way that your people make money, not lose money. So when we've privatized all our infrastructure, we've basically given away all of that income producing wealth to foreigners or at least the big chunk of it and denied our children, the opportunities our forefathers gave to us because our forefathers built that infrastructure so that we would have services and the income from those services to pay from energy and then income from energy and all that would then pay for schools and hospitals. But it was all the ideology. It was the neoliberal ideology of the day. That's why I push back on the libertarians

53:42because they were the original neoliberals. A lot of people don't realise that. What's the neoliberal plan at home? Free market, laser fair, you know, will always work. Now, now don't get me wrong, the private sector is important and you want more government, but free markets are based on the premise of perfect markets. So in other words, you've got to eat as to say, have perfect markets, you've got to have elasticity of choice, right? If I'm, you take the sugar mills in Queensland, for example, if I'm a sugar cane farmer in Mackay, and yeah, I get a dud deal from the local sugar mill there, I can't drive my sugar cane on a tractor. Another 400 kilometres north or 200 kilometres north to the next sugar mill, especially with Willmar. Now, for example, they are controlled a lot of the sugar mills in Queensland. It's so painful when Newcastle Port was sold. They stuck up the new owners, stuck up the port cost by 60 per cent after nine months. Now, because Rio Tinto, they don't have a lot of coal mines down there, they could absorb that, but if you're a little guy,

54:44you can't absorb that, right? So monopolies don't have elasticity of choice. Likewise, if I'm, you know, from Western Queensland, if I'm bitten by a big black snake out in the bush, I'm not going to pick up the phone and look for the cheapest hospital across Australia. I'm going to the closest hospital. I have no elasticity of choice. Step one. So that's the first condition you need for a perfect market. Number two is you've got to actually have downside risk, right? So as I pointed out before with Superhand, I talked about it in my maiden speech, you know, Adam Smith spoke about, you know, joint stock companies, but if someone's risking, if you're playing with someone else's money, you don't look after it with the same care you look after your own money. So big super funds, spending members money, big government spend tax payers money, big corporations are spending shareholders money. Do they give a shit if they blow up your money? No, because they'll often pay themselves a big fat check and walk away and get another job, right? So yet again, and that's what true capitalism is. So I'm a capitalist, but I'm not a free market here. I believe in people who risk their own capital, and that's, that can be, that's not

55:46fine, it just financial capital. If you're a trader, you know, a carpenter, a bricklayer, and you're using your hands, that's capital, that's human capital. If you're a scientist or an engineer and you're using your brain, that's intellectual capital. If you're a teacher or a nurse, you know, teaching children looking after six people, that's compassionate capital. If you're anyone that gets out of bed in the morning and puts their nose to the grindstone, that's a capitalist, right? They're the people, that's an individual, hence the people, hence the people first, right? That's what we believe in, right? As opposed to, you know, and anyone else, socialism is where people spend other people's money. That's not just government, that's corporations, super funds media, you know, who will make up a bunch of lies to sell newspapers. So they're all socialists, right? That we've got the word, that they're understanding the meaning of the word capitalist all back the front. And then the third thing with markets is you need perfect information. Now, when you've got three trillion dollars in funds under management, I can tell you that, and this money is managed by people living in ivory towers when they go for a jog at lunchtime, I can assure you they're giving each other tips, right? So people, now I've never been

56:49taught about this at university, about efficient market hypothesis and how when a stock, on the stock market, if the company would have released news, it was already factored into the share price. Now, they were trying to tell me that that was a perfect and efficient market. And I was like, Bullshit, it is, that's actually inside information. The price would jump after the news isn't released, not beforehand. If it's jumped beforehand, then the insiders, and you take in the last couple of weeks, the gold stocks went down before gold got smashed on Thursday, right? They knew they sell the gold, I see it all the time, they sell the gold stocks before the gold price goes down. So, and by the way, for those of you people in the Liberal Party, you're going, well, why I was reigning in the Liberal Party, go and read Robert Mendes, he's forgotten people's speech in the last paragraph, he says, we should not go back to the old and selfish notions of laser fair. Our first two prime ministers were actually protectionists. And that's what we, that's what I am. And that is we believe in protecting our children, our country, our, and our capital, and our way of life. Yeah.

57:51And what's your, what's your thoughts on the current fuel, fuel crisis in Australia with the government telling us that there isn't one, but there isn't one. I read saying today that these are important now being cut off from China. Well, look, I don't have the inside information on that. Look, if we don't have one yet, we will have one and we'll have, and if we don't fix this war, so it's all very well jumping up and down, saying we shouldn't have sold it, you know, shut down a wall refineries. Yes, totally agree with that. There's no argument with that. But we're not going to build for a new wall refineries in the next 30 to 60 days. Yes, there are. So, get on the phone to Trump. We are a close ally to the States. When, and you don't forget to do it to Trump, get to his advisors and all the people around him, especially that MAGA crowd, and say, sort it out with Iran. Get your back channels going and believe you me, there are back channels going all the time, but I was thinking about this this morning. I read Mark Richie's notorious guy that was an oil dealer that was done for conviction in the States for tax evasion, et cetera. He made his money after the revolution in Iran in 1980

58:52by selling oil from Iran to Israel, right? Even though the new regime wanted death to Israel, they were still selling oil to each other. I just wasn't spoken about, right? So believe you, there's pop-back doors. Absolutely. Politics is the front end, but believe you me, the money makers at the back end, they will be going to Trump, do not, whatever you do, send us broke. There's two sides of this. There's obviously the energy crunch that's coming, but then there's the credit crunch, because one of the reasons why we've been managed to hold on so long is our job market here in Australia and in the States has been still relatively strong. Don't ask me, you know what they're doing, but we've managed to maintain. It's the moment the music stops with your job and you can't pay the debt off. Everything tumbles over. So it's the credit crunch that's going to come. It's not just the energy crunch, it's the energy and credit crunch. And I don't think the markets affected that incorrectly yet. So I think there'll be by middle of next week, if we don't start to work things out, there'll be fuel rationing.

59:53And two weeks to flatten the turkish air of type bullshit will come out and we know how that worked out. But right now, if you want to sort that fuel crisis out, not be standing we need to get drill, drill, drill, you know, as Matt Cannon says, we got diplomacy, diplomacy, diplomacy, first, because we aren't going to fix our underlying structural imbalances in the economy in the next 30 days. One would have thought as well, though, with the recent events, the first time they went out this for the 12-day war. One would have thought that we would have learned, right, that that Iran, if this kicks off again, they were going to shut down that straight. Yep. And that's 20% of the world's oil goes through there. I could almost guarantee that be 80 to 90% of Australia's oil goes through there, right? Probably more, right? Yeah, I'm not quite sure, but maybe a lot. But like, how didn't we see this coming again, potentially, and being like, okay, well, let's learn from that and let's start to drill, baby, drill, and dig, baby, dig like, I mean, I did some research. Have you heard about some of the potential oil? Yeah, I saw you talk about that, and I am aware of the

1:00:55shale. The shale, or you just got a frack. Yeah, and the question is how deep and how expensive? Yeah. And that's the thing about our offshore gas. A lot of people don't realize, I looked into this as soon as I became a senator because that petroleum resource rent tax was a rot that doesn't need to be fixed up. I'm not quite sure about the 25% royalty on it, because I'm not sure they make that much money in return on equity. So you don't want to like, if they're making a 10% profit, the rack of 25% royalty, they'll just shut down and go away, we won't have any gas. So that's the thing with the shale gas. Now, obviously, fuels at five bucks later, it might be profitable. I just, and I'm fascinated by that because if it's there, let's get it, but we just need to know what it costs. Yeah, I also just think potentially for our, for our, for our national sovereignty, or energy, yeah, of course we should, to even, you know, not even, not even get it and sell it, but to get it in store, or just to have the capacity that if something happens, we switch it on. Do you know what I mean? And like, absolutely, and yeah, I understand I'm well out of my depth with some of this stuff, but yeah, just to have the capacity that if something goes wrong, we at least have a backup hand,

1:01:59we're playing where we can potentially move some assets, flick some stuff on, and then start producing what we need in this country if we get cut off. Yeah, no, absolutely. And of course, this is what all of our Liberals overlooked. And I can sort of see what had happened. And I can sort of, look, when I grew up in the late 70s, early 80s, we did live under the threat of the bomb, like the Cold War was real, and people were apprehensive about the Cold War. Unfortunately, we'd become complacent. And yes, and, and look, the 90s, I mean, we've had a glorious 30 years, notwithstanding the Middle East and conflicts, like we've had a relatively, you know, in terms of history, a long period of peace. But of course, this is the problem, you know, people forget. And this is my fear, and especially with these armchair warriors, or wanting to send off other people's children of war, is that I don't think they realise how quickly things can get out of hand if they get out of hand. And not just, and this is an, and it's the problem with Iran. It's not just Iran. This war will, because of the Gulf of Hormaz, have both energy and credit

1:03:09implications, crunches that will impact us as well, especially here in Australia, because we are so dependent now on foreign resources. And there hasn't been a real conventional war. I mean, Iraq was a little bit of a conventional war, but, you know, look back to Afghan, we've just been up on the Taliban, you know, like we haven't had a conventional war that has been answered the teeth like Iran. Yeah, and where you're taking hold. Yeah, that's right. That's dangerous. Yeah, good luck with that China. No, Iran, I'm not saying it's impossible, but I'll tell you what, it's coming to an enormous cost. And, and yet again, you know, if you pick up the phone, talk to these people and keep talking. And if you're going to, you know, I mean, I, what I would like to see Iran to do, knowing I've met quite a few Iranian people over the years, is put pressure on Iran about the human rights, because, you know, Iran is the culture, you know, you talk about cultures. I mean, the Persian culture is up there with the Chinese culture, and the Egyptian culture is one of the oldest cultures in the world. I mean, these guys, you know, I don't know if it's fair to say they're original party animals, but, you know, these guys enjoy their arts and everything as well. So this regime repressing their natural

1:04:11artistic, you know, flavor is, you know, that's not the Iranian and the Persia that we, that we've read about in history books, right? The warrior part is, and they know that they've got a history of, you know, going into wars and things like that. But, you know, these things you can win over just by charm. And I'll remember John Howard said that in his biography, you know, you win more friends, you know, you kill more people with kindness than you do, you know, with hate. And that's what, you know, like I said, I mean, you know, when it comes to diplomacy, and I've been in hairy situations, I'll probably, so when I was in Iran, I flew down a bushy which was a stepping stone to go out to these alamite ruins. And I got off the plane. This is how, I can't believe how relaxed I was about traveling back then, but about 12 o'clock one night, I was waiting for my backpack on the carousel, I had my lonely planet book out, and a blow came up to me and said, where is Stain? And I said, I'm, you know, the lonely planet, I'm going to stay here. And he goes, that, that, that hostel is closed. He said, you know, and it's 12 o'clock,

1:05:13he said, they'll be closed. So I've stayed with me for the night. And I thought to myself, he had a thick American accent. And I thought to myself, I bet you this bloke was an American, was, you know, got kicked out of the States, not the revolution. And he was, as it turns out, his family, like he was just a young boy when he came back under Iran. And I thought, okay, right, I, well, I can't stay with him for the night. You know, it's, anyway, Robin is a little, it's a zirky jeep. And we start driving, you know, in the dark, you know, but she's not a big, oh, it's solid town, you know, and it goes, I'm just going to go around, we're going to go around a mouth place for a while. You know, before we go home, I thought, I should, here we go. Anyway, we get out of the jeep, walking to this room. It's probably about as big as this room here, but no carpet or anything. Well, sorry, just, just concrete walls and there's carpet on the floor. There's 12, 13, 14 blokes sitting on the ground, smoking opium. And I thought, I kid you're not, right? Because they can't drink an iron rod, so they get all the opium from Afghanistan, right? That's their idea of having a party. And I think I'll least smoke, you know,

1:06:15because I'm thinking two things here. Number one is what if the cops walk in? I mean, Jail will get my head chopped off. Or, you know, they're on their version of, you know, a little bit of punting on the side. And I'm thinking, so I literally sat in this room, shitting myself for the next two hours from about 12 o'clock to 2 o'clock. And then he just gets up and goes, I think he's named Ali. Can't remember it's been a long time. Right, we're going hop back in his jeep, go back to his place. He then plays Western music for the rest of the night. His wife's away for the weekend. I kid you know, this is all the true story. And I'm sleeping. That party over the walks away. Yeah, exactly. That's what it was. And I'm sleeping there with one eye open. And he's just got the music blaring. Western music, you know, and I just remember thinking, geez, who would have thought this was going on in Iran? Right. And yet again, though, it's like, and then, oh, what was it? Oh, he asked me a question about getting music or something as well. But in the end, I'm

1:07:16mild back the lonely planet book, because he wanted to mail it once I got into Pakistan, I'm mild back to him. But just the hospitality. And what that wasn't the only example of the hospitality of people. And it's always the poor of the country, the better the hospitality that of these people like, you know, yeah, 100% agree. Yeah. And you know, I just come back to this, we do not need this long like, you know, there are ways going to have a barbecue. Send us over there. You know, we'll get a couple of Iranian podcasts. And we'll go and have a barbecue together. They don't drink or whatever, but, you know, we can, so what drinks ginger beer, I'm telling you, there's nothing that can't be sorted out in the world over a conversation, a bit of good food, and a bit of good wine and a bit of good company. You know, this killing is completely unnecessary. And anyone that wants to put killing and choose killing in front of peace and poverty in front of prosperity, as far as I'm concerned, we need to call them out. Because we're not careful, these lunatics will send our children off the water, get killed. And my son's now are teenagers. They will destroy our prosperity, all in a name of an ideology, that they've got into their heads

1:08:20that, you know, all the Iranians are bad, so we must drop bombs on them. How many Iranians have we killed? Or say, we have been killed in this war, or re? I know there's been 168 schoolgirls that got annihilated. Yeah, you know, so how is that a victory? And yet, I'm not saying the regime's good, but then again, you know, we're now backing our kaira in Syria. How many people were killed in Iraq? Yeah, that's probably the one thing I want to jump in and say. I mean, you know, like there has been like the alatola, he slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Muslims in Syria when there was stuff going over there. And you know, I talked to a couple of Muslims I know about this and they're like, no, no, no, no, I'm not backing Iran. Yeah, that regime is quite a some of the stuff they do needs to be called out and needs to be, there needs to be something, but like going to war and slaughtering a whole bunch of Muslims, which is just going to make more Muslims angry and like, yeah, what do you got there? It's the Shia Muslims in Iran. Yeah, and Ellen trench their power more. They'll actually entrench the regime's power. It won't,

1:09:22exactly right. Like imagine you've got, you're sitting there, you're sitting your bombs get, or your, you know, your city's getting bombed. You have friends dying. They've just killed the alatola, which is like the Pope. Yeah. And there's a whole bunch of Shia Muslims, you know, 400 million, 300 million of them around the world. And they're all like getting really pissed off. It's probably just going to make people a bit more extreme, isn't it? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah. Now they actually want to fight back. Yeah, that's right. Whereas before they didn't, they were just minding their own business. So we wake up one day, mind their own business, and then someone drops a bomb on your house. I always thought that about Afghan, right? You would, you know, me and my mates would have this discussion. One of my mates had a, he was a, he was a Kav Gunnar. And over in Afghan, he told this story on my podcast and he wouldn't mind me saying it again, but he was like, you know, one day we, we hit some dude with 25 million cannon, you know, and we put him into about four or five pieces. Yeah. And then after the battlefield had come down, his family came out and started picking him up and you're watching his kids come out and pick up Daddy's little arm. Oh, yeah. What have you just done? Yeah. That little kid now hates the West. Yeah, he wants to kill

1:10:27the West. And you're just breeding the next generation of souls to come through and kill you. Yeah. And it's like it gets far. And it's yeah. And you know, you breed these generations that come up and they just want to kill you. It's just, and this is this argument because a lot of people like we have Western extreme, we have Islamic extremists in Western Sydney. It's like, okay, well, let's, let's root them out. Yeah. Let's give the AFP AGO and the police the power to go absolutely these people out. Yeah. And just not destroy them, but to put them in front of our justice system, which will be, which will have them taken out of our society. Let's get that, let's fix up our own backyard. Yeah. Rather than, and I know that people might be like, oh, but a rain, you know, a run might come in and they might fund all of these groups. All right, well, let's destroy that in Australia. Yeah. Let's destroy them. And you can do that fine, like if it's a financial process, you can do that through, you know, putting proper financial controls to stop that from happening. So defunding, I mean, that shouldn't just happen with Iranians. If that's what they're doing, we shouldn't need to do that. And if you won't be

1:11:27a croc, bureaucracy. I'm not saying I'm unauthorized. He's waiting right here on. Yeah. 100%. And like, you know, so to me, it's just fix our own backyard. If the US and Israel want to go to war over this, that's fine. They can go to war, but we're in a very, very, very, very tense situation in Australia, because we've also imported half the planet every single year since 2010. You know what I mean? I'm obviously over exaggerating that's just a figure of speech. But you know, in portal, these people from that part of the world, and now we're bombing that part of the world, it's like, well, now we're just going to have a different anger on it. Otherwise, this country is going to go on to civil war. Yeah. And you're on the risk of importing the problems into this country, which is what we're doing. And we don't want to see that, you know, notwithstanding some of those problems in those other countries of valid, it's like we don't need them here. You know, yeah. But I, you know, I get it. If you're all from there and you're seeing this happen, it's also this is the reality. They're not going to shut off from that either. That's why, obviously, the mosque incident in

1:12:28La Kemba, you know what that mosque was? It was a Lebanese mosque. Right. And Israel right now we're starting to move forces into Lebanon, into those types of areas. Yeah. And obviously, Anthony Avernesi is back in this war overseas, which is obviously putting people in Lebanon, Muslims in Lebanon, very, very upset in this. And then he came into that area and they all went at him. And it's yeah. That's why. Yeah. Right. That's why they went at him because it's Lebanese Muslims that live in Western Sydney. Yeah. That are getting their homeland invaded by Israel and their government is back in Israel. That's why they're going at him in this thing. And like I look at it, and I'm like, I would be if I was living over in a part in the world where I seek refuge in and then that government is now supporting someone invading. I would have shared the fucking Prime Minister as well and telling him his dog. Yeah. Well, we've got to, and this is the thing, not that I agree with their way of life or anything, but I mean, freedom of right, freedom of speech right. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, is that the borders, the 1948 borders of Israel need to be emphasized,

1:13:30that there's your borders. And we need to all have a happy conversation and rather than crossing borders and taking matters into your own hands. And you need to have these conversations without being called a Jew hater or anti-Semitic, you know, like this is serious. Yeah. No, we're just humanitarian. I want to see people stop being killed. You know, that's, you know, I mean, is the one race, as I said, like we all wake up in the morning, and you know, if you take away the arbitrary construct of identity, we all want three meals in our stomach, a roof over our head, and that's that common ground. I don't mean Kennedy spoke about it, Reagan spoke about it, and even I think went on over here, but you know, there's much more, what you know, it's as much more than what the virus is. And we got to start using that language again, because, you know, this belligerent rhetoric where we're just talking ourselves into, and it's disappointing. I'll be honest about this. I've got, you know, followers of mine and freedom fighters who are now swallowing the mainstream media lies, the same mainstream mainstream media that gave us COVID and climate change and all the other rubbish. Guys, don't be, don't get whipped up and into this. We can sort this out through,

1:14:36you know, respectful conversation, dialogue, diplomacy, because we don't want to see more people killed. Especially coming from Australia. Yeah, absolutely being in Australia. Like, you know, US and Israel might be a different story, right? They might have their own reasons while they're there, whatever, but like, especially from Australia. Yeah, we, one, one, we can't afford it. Yeah, can't afford us anyone over too. If we did send anyone over, they were like half of the mooring about their pronouns and wearing fucking rainbow flags on their left shoulder and so they actually flag. And three were depleted. Like, we are depleted as a nation. We've imported too many people and everyone's too divided. So you sent them and I think 70% of people are against this conflict overseas. Yeah, right. Well, I disagree with you. We're depleted as a nation. I think we are a wealthy country and we're heading in a wrong direction, but we have a lot to be grateful for. I probably mean depleted is in more like people of within the support of our government. Yeah, I mean, natural resource sector. Yeah, sure. We are rich. Yeah, but, you know, the other thing is

1:15:36we are a successful country, right? And this is why I like this is a difference between myself and one nation is that while I'm happy to get out of the, the UN agencies, like the World Health Organization in UNESCO and those, I don't want to get out of the general assembly. Why? Because we need to be promoting diplomacy. Diplomacy, diplomacy, diplomacy is the greatest form of defense. And, you know, the UN charter that was created after World War II is actually one of the greatest statements that recognized the sovereignty of every country. And that's what we've got to go back to. And I think, you know, when I traveled, being in Australia, people loved Australians. They love them. Yeah, love us. And we've got to use it. It's only soft power and we're only middle power. I'm not saying that, you know, we're going to change the world or anything, but we should be leading from the front to say, look guys, we live in a great country. We were incredibly lucky that we were set up by parent pioneers that, you know, we managed to avoid, you know, large scale civil wars or anything like that because we trade each other with respect. And we know that if we can get prosperity, bring prosperity to a country,

1:16:40that we can bring peace with it. And that's coming back to our freedoms of a child of affluence. And what we want to do is help you get rich, rich as in not talking yachts, living on yachts, but rich by owning your own house, you know, happily married with some children, having some food in your stomach and enough time in it and enough time in the weekend has been time with your kids and watch your 40 team and have a beer. And let me tell you, like most people that would be settling for that, if you gave most people, if that's all you could get in life, they'd say, yep, give that to me. And I'll take it. And if you give that to people, they'll stop criticizing the government so much. We won't have so much. Well, look, look, that's, I'd argue that is one of the other comments raised across the world, everyone hates their own government. It doesn't matter where they come in as to whatever. It's like, you know, they all hate politicians. Yeah, I mean, obviously I don't know. I did before I started this, I was really, really, I really despised politicians, but you get to know them, I get to know you, I get to know Pauline, I get to know Antick. Yeah. Ralph Babbitt's a good guy. Yeah. I mean, Hasty had a bit of a fall

1:17:41out. We haven't really speak too much anymore, but he's a nice, nice gentleman, you know what I mean? And and other female politicians out there, they're just, you know, it's just like, yeah, like they are normal people and nice, but sometimes they deserve the criticism. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, yeah. But, you know, going back to that, as as a country, I'm not giving amount. That's why I'm still hanging around in politics is that I, I'm not going to go down the negative route. I talked to a lot of people who get very despondent about where we're heading as a country and we are heading in the wrong direction, but we have so much opportunity and we can turn it around. Antony Urban Easy Week and work on and we can fix that problem. We go to World War 3 over a stupid war. There will be much harder to fix the problem and we will, because we are so vulnerable as we all know, because we've let it all go offshore or we depend on foreign resources. That will kill us much quicker than Antony Urban Easy in the short term. And that's why we've got a trying, you know, really push for a diplomatic resolution of this war as quickly as possible.

1:18:45And then we've got to build up a new system on the right. But one that, you know, is led by people of a polished and arid eye that are going to put Australia's interests first, not, you know, sorry Pauline, but disagree with you on going into this war because it's not America's war, it's Israel's war. We've got to promote diplomacy. That's our greatest strength in my view, rather than, you know, getting into a defense thing and build back our infrastructure. And just, you know, talk to people's, you know, you know, needs of food in the stomach, having someone to love roof over the head, you know, and a happy life. And, you know, that's what we, and that's what conservatives are good at. And, you know, we've stopped talking about that and we've started, you know, engaging. And this is the other thing too. I think if we win, go back and talk about the class war between, you know, the elites, so the bureaucrats who make all these rules and regulations, the wealthy corporate types, you know, the superannuation fund types that are bringing all these rules and regulations and start putting money back into people's pockets and getting

1:19:49people, you know, if we balance the family budgets, then a lot of these cultural wars will also sort themselves out because you can't actually win them on social media. You've actually, like the Teales, you've got to get back into, you know, parents going back to school, PNCs, school PNFs, you know, getting the ideologues out of the boardrooms and getting people in there that know how to run a business, especially how to train people. These are the things you can't do on social media. You've got to actually do them in the boardroom, in the classroom, you know, things like that. But to do that, you've got to actually train your children properly and to do that, you've got to get the parent back at home. Like, we've got to fix up the, you know, our family budgets, number one. Yeah. And I mean, that's probably one of the biggest things as well, because if you can get that right, you'll probably fix the birth rate, and then we don't have to start importing all these people to keep up with their GDP. Oh, absolutely. And, you know, having a decent sized family, it makes you more sensible. I mean, I didn't get Maritalized 37 and it's been the best thing that happened to me because it's given me a sense of purpose. Once you have your own children, suddenly everything changes from thinking about yourself,

1:20:52thinking about your children in their future. And it then gives you a new appreciation of what your parents went through. You know, you never used to, you know, Maritalized be worrying about me or, you know, whatever. And now I look back and I feel like my mum, David's a bit more relaxed. But as you said, when I was travelling, he just gave up. He just assumed I was never coming back home. He just, yeah, but, you know, and that's the thread of life that goes through every culture. And that's where, you know, when we're coming back to trying to find common ground with, you know, the so-called perceived enemy is going, we don't want our children killed. And if you say that to the other side, they'll say, neither do we. You know, and we want to be rich as in, you know, say, which, you know, like healthy, well-fed, they go out of the way. So there's your common ground for a start. We don't want to go around, you know, and then suddenly you don't want to kill you. So we find a common ground and we build on that. Because yet again, you know, we're heading, I'm just terrified at how quickly we are heading into this World War III scenario. And apologies,

1:21:58if I sound dramatic here, but this is the risk. And we just need wise, cool heads at the moment. Yeah, and we don't need a whole bunch of warmongers that want to push us into another, yeah, like another, you know, like like the Forever Wars. Yeah, exactly. And by the way, I want to be careful, stress this, I have the utmost respect for the United States as a country. They're, they're founding fathers in that American Revolution War. They, they overthrew or basically pushed back on the imperialism of Britain. You know, the, the founding fathers, they were isolationists, and they was like, just leave us alone. We just want our own colonies. And the British, of course, wanted to impose a currency, you know, make the, the new colonies used the British currency, not the American currency, and they told you, you know, and then that became the currency wars in the 1900s in, sorry, in the 1800s in the US, we like climate change wars of today, like whether or not the central bank should be owned by the government or the private banks. You know, Andrew Jackson, Hamilton, Lincoln, Garfield, all these guys, you know, they basically pushed back on privatisation of the central bank.

1:23:05And then who was it? William Jennings Bryan in his 1890s, 1896 speech, gave this speech called, it was his Cross of Gold speech, which Eisenhower referred to in his 1953 speech, Chancellor Peace, he referred to it via Cross of Iron. I'm not sure where I'm going there now, but I, yeah, the United States. So, you know, yet again, I'm not convinced. I don't think that the United States wants this war either. You know, they're sick of the endless wars as well. Well, that's what Maga voted, Trump in for. Yeah, yeah, that's what they voted. Yeah, but there seems to be a split there now with some, some Maga who originally anti-Enois Wars now backing this one. Yeah, which who funds them? Yeah, well, that's, that's right. Yeah, that's the question. Yeah, they all seem to be doing the same tweets around the world at once. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And yeah, that's, that's, that's what that's worrying. Yeah. You were on the Cal State Phenomic Show the other day with Alex, Alex Antigna. First off, man, I've, I've got a bone to

1:24:09pick me up. Yeah, a joking phone. Yeah, I go on there. Yeah, I get slaughtered, slaughtered by people, you know, sending me emails and being like, why are you going on Cal State Phenomic Show? That guy pushed the Vax and then you went on there and I'm like, why isn't people slaughtering him? Yeah, because you push back against the Vax. Yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah. And, and, and I mean, like my one comment is, well, you know, people change over time. They have different views and stuff like that. And it's like, yeah, he may, he may have pushes at one time being the mainstream media, but I'm not going to knock on his podcast. Okay, I'm glad you raised that because he has copped a lot of crap. And I've caught crap for it. So you have, yeah. Okay, good. Not, not, not, like, I mean, not, not been flooded with it, but I've copped a bit of it. And it's like, if you watch the Ali Langdon clip where she rips into Craig Kelly, go back and watch it. This is what Carl does. He was his arm. He was embarrassed. And he turns away. Yeah. Right. Now, as I said, the Carl at the time, I said, you're not a biochemist. Originally, when you were told that this

1:25:13vaccine was safe, it's like a lot of people, Matt Kennerman was one of them. They, they believe what they were told. And why wouldn't you? Right. I do not have a problem with people who initially believe what they were told. You know, we up until very recently, and I'm self included, trusted what our medical profession told us. Right. Well, you know, I mean, my mum's a nurse. So, uh, and this was part of the, you know, and I knew when I went out and withheld my vote and sort of, that's why I withheld my vote because I knew that how much trust people had in a medical system. And I knew what it was, and as well as the fear that had been, you know, put into them. And this is the other thing of the war again. I don't want to do all this much longer, but we saw what happened in COVID, how quickly you can get people paranoid from just the constant repetition of propaganda every day with the, the premier's one at nine, one at 10, one at 11, one at 12. Right. Um, so car, and car was one of the first people to say, I'm not going

1:26:13to get any more jabs. He was probably the first mainstream media guy to actually push back on. I remember that. The same done with the double job. Yeah. Um, so I look, you know, people weren't to know early on. I was always skeptical, you know, of COVID. Notwithstanding, I've always said this virus is a real and vulnerable people like older people and the sick people. Yes, we've got to protect, but you don't protect the wheat by destroying the strong. And that, that might, my issue was always the strategy. That's exactly what they were doing. And even in the first year in 2020, when they weren't sure of how bad it was going to be, I was skeptical, but kept my mouth fairly shut and I started speaking up, started 21 after Anna Palashay said we were going to open up, and then she locked down in Queensland for three days. And I got a lot of calls from businesses, especially pubs and bought food and that. Um, and I'll remember what was the name Sam made and went after me because I questioned lockdowns. Um, and then it was on after that, but, um, it was late in back after the year that the moment, another moment, another red flag,

1:27:17never many of them, was when Gladys Berragiclin shut down New South Wales and said you can't go more than five kilometres if you're not jabbed. Because up until then, relatively speaking, Gladys had been the most sane premier and she, she then backfliped. Um, but, you know, Carl wasn't to know when he was pushing it early on that it was going to be, uh, yeah, the, the dangerous, um, so you caught a bit of flak? A little bit, yeah, yeah. Um, and, and, you know, I'm saying again, now, look, you can't, but Carl, yeah, look, one of the best bits of advice I've been given in my life is the only time we've made a mistake is when you know you made a mistake and you don't do something about it. Right. And that's, that's a really, really important. And I wish I'd known about that the Goldstock two weeks ago, but anyway, um, it's not a story, but, uh, yeah, the ability to cut your losses because it's when it's the doubling down that, that becomes the problem. Um, you know, you could, you could probably say that I rock and Afghanistan and all these things again is that, you know, you got to realize if you're not getting anywhere, maybe you should just pull out and,

1:28:17you know, save a certain more trouble, but that's in life as well. You've got to know when to cut your losses. Um, and yeah, Carl's come out is it said, you know, he's apologized. Um, I don't necessarily, yeah, like I said, he's not a biochemist. He, he's going to go with what he's told, right? Um, and he did come out early. I thought they might have got rid of him actually, because I posted it today. I remembered the time he posted it. I jumped on it and posted it on my feed. Um, but they didn't get rid of him. Um, but I mean, that show would come crashing down without him. Yeah. Yeah. Quite possibly. Yeah. Um, uh, it also shows the shift in society at the moment that like he's allowed to come out and do something like that and then still be able to talk on. Well, the world's moved on. And this is the sad thing because there's still, you know, tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of people injured by that vaccine, varying levels of degree, and they've never got proper compensation recognition. And unfortunately, I know it'll happen in 30 or 40 years. I'll come out after everyone's dead. And the politicians who caused it are dead. Now, I'll go like they did with the minimize and do an apology after

1:29:19it's way too late. You know, it's, it's the ability to call it. I mean, and, you know, this is, this is my problem with Barnaby. He's now running around saying everything that the government should have been done. Yeah. But you were there, mate. You were the deputy prime minister. Yeah. When COVID was going on, you said nothing. You were the deputy prime minister and Morrison signed up to net zero. And you know, given that was going to impact the regions, he should have been thrown his toys out of the cot. He rolled over. Right. And now he's bitching about renewables. Mate, you were the leader of the national party when you signed up to net zero. And you, and, and, you know, a lot of people are falling for Barnaby now. They think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread. It's kind of like, well, mate, you know, it's when you're in power on the football field with, you know, you're going to take the ball up or not. It's all very well when you're back on the stands, you know, and, and, and, you know, saying what should happen on the field, but you had the ball in your hands. And you didn't do anything. You just stood there and didn't take the ball up. So, uh, yeah, you know, it's, um, but back to Carl. I mean, you know, he did go relatively early compared to the rest of the media. It's certainly better than David

1:30:21Cosh, who did did any of you on like how you treated the unvaccinated at Christmas. I remember that, right? And I'm an vaccinator and, and, and I'm having family members watch her and they're like, oh, Jayce, you can hear the dogs go off. Yeah. Um, and, uh, this is, this is the beauty of still her own this podcast out of my back room, man, the dogs go off down the end. And, uh, but, um, yeah, I'm, I remember like watching that on TV, being an unvaccinated person and just being like, whoa, you see, I don't know, fucking wanker. He's telling my family members is being like, watch out for your unvaccinated family member of a Christmas. Yeah. And the thing about that was it was well known at the time, putting it side the injuries that it wasn't actually stopping transmission. We all know that. Yeah. Everyone was still getting COVID. Yeah. But it was yet again. It was like, well, let's pretend it's not happening. Mm. Uh, and, you know, this is what I hate. It's like the alcohol and serious thing. It's like, well, let's not just make a deal about it. No one cares. Mm. You know, you can make a mountain out of it. This is what I hate about the media. If they want to, they can make a mountain out of a mole hill and a mole hill out of a mountain. Uh, just by, you know, and they'll do that through

1:31:24gas lighting. And that's what they basically did in the end with vaccine injuries. They just didn't even talk about it. Mm. And that's why they were so keen to shut me down because I started actually, because the way you do it is if you put a face behind that injury, when I started posting those personal stories, that's what tracks people's attention. Like when you're trying to talk about industry policy and stuff, most people go, well, you know, running stuff on his, you know, point dexter stuff again, put a face to an injury and suddenly, like, bang, social media is off. And that, look, I did know enough about media at the time. I've got to start putting these faces out there. That's why I was getting personal stories. But then they started attacking that by saying it's all unverified. Well, okay, you don't need to be a doctor to know if you go in and get a jab one day and you're suddenly coughing up blood or, you know, having pains in your heart or, you know, having, you know, spasmodic fits 24, you know, less than 24 hours later. It's probably likely it's caused by the jab. Hey, um, you went on there as well. So you went on their first on Carl's show and then you went back on with Antic. Yeah. I'm a fan of Antic. Yeah,

1:32:27mate. Is there any way that you guys could be working together in the, in the future? You know, because you look at someone like Alexander, the outlier in the liberal party. Yeah. Like the one person that I actually trust to vote for the people or for my interest every single time and he cannot get influenced by that party. It doesn't matter. Yeah. What happens? He or he's a real one. Yeah. I mean, and I don't, you just look at that and you go, how long is he going to be hanging in that liberal party for? And then my question be you guys are friends. Yeah. So he'll do the most of his time in a liberal party. We have a try and rip him out of there and get in the people's first. I wouldn't at the moment. He owes it to the liberal party. He was put there by me. You got to remember, there's people in the liberal party that are like you and me. So he, and this is why I stayed in the liberal party, went to court because I added to the people that back me in, right? So it wasn't my loyalty to the liberals, the elected people that back me in state council. Yeah, because there are a lot of conservatives, not many. They're leaving at a rate of knots. But look, that's up to Alex. I wouldn't even tell Alex as a mate. What he should or shouldn't do.

1:33:29For you to welcome him for opens arms. Oh, of course I wouldn't. Look, Alex was, Alex came with me when I withheld my boat. It was me and Alex and we held out over those COVID vaccines. And I knew I keep the top like because it's, as I said, when we were only back benches, we didn't have a lot, but we knew that, you know, so we did everything that we could do in terms of leverage over the Morrison hunt, you know, government at the time. And Alex, you know, risked his future as well by doing that. So that's why I like, you know, I'll write Alex till the day I die because he was there. You know, and he came with me because I asked a few others to withhold their boat and they wouldn't do it. I won't know names, but, but having said that, you know, there's senators who had there's one senator who had his son go in hospital with my card, I just still, when I left politics, still, some are still suffering from my card, I just another senator who bled out, another senator who had chest pain, another senator who had an art who was crook and died two weeks later.

1:34:32None of them said a thing. So yet again, and this is where we lack leadership. And in our system, whereby people don't speak up when it matters. Yeah, because that's some serious stuff we need to talk about. What a population of a couple hundred people in the Senate. And you have four or five of them. It's like that. Well, that's pretty pretty good. 76 in the Senate. And we had what 32 maybe coalition. I mean, it's Glantster. He was the Labor Senator. He went to hospital a couple of times in my card, I just so that's one I know of. I was mates with Glantster. He told me that. So there would have been others in the Labor Party who were injured as well. We know Karen felt the ex-Senator. She was injured as was a partner. So it was a pretty high, you know, I couldn't give you an exact number. But somewhere between five and 10%. I suspect had varying levels of injuries. And they didn't want to speak up because they were scared of the party's position? Scared of losing their job. It's not people often think, you know, the world's run by corruption. There's his brown paper bags going around the background. Often it's just the paycheck.

1:35:34You know, it's literally, you know, as I said, if you've got a million dollars at mortgage and, you know, you're going to lose your job while speaking up, you just keep your mouth shut. And that's the problem with debt is that it reduces the integrity in the system as well. The independence of people to make decisions free from financial constraints. Well, I've always said that country debt is no different to personal debt in regards to it controls you to a certain point. So indebted nation is a controlled nation. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, no, that's exactly right. I mean, and that's what the balance sheet is. You got an asset over here. What they call capital is just the financial financial representation of who controls the asset. So if it's debt, right, that's a mortgage. And if it's equity, that's a title. And that's what we are as a sovereign title. When we were brainwashed at university that you can't print money out of thin air, right? What they were really saying to us was, no, if we let the government print money out of thin air, right, that means they keep title on behalf of the children over their assets, right?

1:36:36So if we build a dam for a billion dollars now where you should infrastructure bonds, it's like, you know, how BHP could issue new shares to build Olympic dam, right? No one would go, that's bad because they're building an asset, right? But if the government wants to issue infrastructure bonds from quantitative easing to build an asset, they'll go, no, governments can't do that. That's irresponsible. But it's not because you're building an asset that's going to generate money, right? So what we now do is instead of us funding it ourselves from our from our title, which you fought for, that our forefathers fought for and built, we go off and get foreign debt. So the first billion dollars we make, we have to repay offshore plus another 24 years interest for percent. That's another billion dollars in interest, we repay offshore. So we're giving away our wealth, right? Because we've been brainwashed into the whole idea of what we can control and what we don't. But this is where the debt comes into it. And you hear it all the time, oh, we've always relied on foreign capital. That's an absolute bullshit. We should smack anyone who says that in the head. The words of our national anthem are wealth for toil, right? It's the people that go out into the fields or get out of bed and put their nose to the grindstone

1:37:40that are creating the wealth. If you build a dam, you irrigate it on the soil and you create, you know, the sun comes out of the sky for free. The water comes out of the sky for free. The soil came out of the sky for free. All that wealth came out of the sky. When we secure a title over it, that's what, you know, and that's what we fought for, not me, but you and my forefathers and then built it, you know, the pioneering forefathers, that's title. And yet that's the control of the asset. When we swap that for debt, we are giving it to private banks and mainly foreign banks. And that's where we're going wrong. And they're now controlling us and our choices. And then to get worse with digital currency down the track when they can start tracing, you know, your digital current every payment you make and start punishing you for, you know, the spending choices will be in real trouble when that happens. And then, and then those foreign interests are potentially controlling our immigration rates because they control our debt, right? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That makes me really angry. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because you know, I'm passionate about

1:38:42immigration. I love the line that Australia is for Australians. And, you know, I want to keep this paid place for Australians. I don't want to import half the planet from India or China or be renamed to Little Asia or whatever we are. But if you want to control all that, you've got to go back to control on the purse drinks. Yeah. Control monetary policy control your taxation. Yeah. Yet again, on short tax, you pay 30 cents offshore tax, yeah, withholding tax royalties between 0 and 15 cents that, and you get, but you get a tax deduction for it here. So you're basically paying half or a third to shift your profits offshore than to keep them here. And then we, so because we let our equity, our earnings, so on a balanced, yeah, your profit and loss in my earnings, they go down to retain earnings, which becomes equity. With that, the equity go offshore. And then we bring that back on, sure as debt as well. Right. That's the stuff we've got to fix, rather than, you know, importing people to bring their equity on shore so that our children can actually live off the earnings themselves. Would you say that majority of our problems come from our monetary policy

1:39:45system and our debt? And our taxation system, absolutely. Well, well, you can look at four things. So monetary policy now we rely on foreign debt. Our taxation system favors foreign investment over offshore investment. Our energy system now favors foreign made renewables over domestic energy supplies such as coal gas and uranium. And our labor system now will favor immigration and importing immigrants in. And can I say here, you know, I said this in my maiden speech, is an absolute disgrace. We are importing doctors and nurses from third-wall countries because we won't train them here. Right. Like, wouldn't the third-wall countries need a doctor on nurse more than we need them? I mean, we need them because we won't train them because they're all gone off and become financial engineers in the superannuation industry and all these other Mickey Mouse jobs that, you know, we really need to go back and into the real jobs of that matter of, you know, being on the tools and doing those basic elementary jobs, not elementary is in, but, you know, those basic fundamental jobs of teaching and nursing and things like that. But we

1:40:49won't, you know, we just have stopped teaching. We're getting very lazy and teaching our own children at the right skillset. I mean, and those doctors and nurses and engineers, that's just a flat out lie to us, right? They're not importing that. Let's be serious. They're not importing that. As a percentage of the overall tape, no, that's right. Yeah. I mean, that's what they told us, they're importing, but they're not. Yeah. Well, we do import some. I just don't get me wrong. Yeah, but like if it was 200,000, not 500,000, it'd be much higher percentage. If we had, you know, schools coming in, but yet again, we've got ourselves in a situation now whereby we've had to be import foreign labor or foreign consumption, however you want to put it, because we weren't trying our own, you know, children. How sad. Yeah. How sad is that? Yeah. And so we, you know, and so we are, you know, we're becoming dependent, not just financially, but, you know, through our skills, through labor, through our energy system, it's just absurd. So what I'm picking up that you're putting down here is, is to fix this country, we really need to get what's going on with our

1:41:53money and our debt. If you sort of get that under control, which I've been saying for a while, if we can get this system under control, where we are, you know, paying off our debt, we are looking at a monetary policy system, and we are potentially printing money, but only printing it for issuing, issuing, issuing credit, issuing title over our unsat wealth, which would then give money back to the States, because it would produce that, right? Yeah. We'd start, we'd start, so our solution is all that free sunlight and rain that comes out of the sky every day, which is plenty of energy. Yeah. That's all free. All we've got to do is build our dams, build our power stations. So my hometown, it's in Chile, we've got Coven Creek power station, 20 kilometres down the right at Brighalo, they've got 400 million tonnes of coal there, we're burning 2 million a year, we could step up, we could add another three generators there, and we're right on the southern end of Connector in a new South Wales, so we could start generating more energy, and then the Queensland government could use the money made from, you know,

1:42:56all that burning the energy to pay for schools and hospitals, right? Or even better still, subsidise manufacturing. Now the other thing we've got to do is get smart. So as I said to you earlier today, when we out, so we couldn't compete with Asian Labor because it was cheaper in the 1980s, automation is actually an advantage to us. We've got it 100%, because 80% of a still factory now is automated. So that means if we get cheaper energy, get rid of payroll tax by bringing back steam duty on shared trading and stop to pay for shuffling. Okay. Instead of shipping a ton of coal over to China and another ton of iron ore, let's turn it into steel here and just ship the steel at $500 a ton instead of shipping the coal and iron ore at $100 a ton. We keep the extra three or $400 a ton in uplift value of which we click the ticket at 30 cents and then that money is used into fund our services. And that's something that Australia hasn't woken up to yet, is that we need to be using automation to add value to our natural resources and instead of

1:43:59exporting our natural resources because we can reduce that now. We won't necessarily bring back a lot of jobs, but we can at least keep the wealth here in this country for longer, which means that we can fund other things. 100% agree with that. And look on that. Droid reigning might always love for you, love when you come down and you have a chat and you know that you're always welcome back on your any time. So, Droid reigning, thanks for coming on mate. Yeah, thanks Sam. Good talking to you. Thanks for tuning in to Two World's Glide Podcast. If you want to support what I'm doing, you can grab some merch or jump on my Patreon program. Both links are in the description. Until next week, take care guys.