7-Year-Old Tells Cops Exactly How Dad Killed His Mom

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1:01listen to Big Technology Podcast wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to your top-true crime hub for the variety and episodes you're looking for. Enjoy! Okay, do you have questions about those things? How do you feel about being here? Have you? Okay, tell me the reasons that you've come here, Doc. I don't know why. Don't know why. Okay. Have something happen? Yeah. Tell me everything that happened. Well, I'm here. My mom and dad were fighting, and then my dad got it going. Okay. And then, my dad tried to call Doc Wally, and it didn't work.

2:02I mean, he didn't have one five. Oh, he didn't have one five. And then, somebody called Doc Wally, and it got who they were, but they're in our neighborhood. And I heard Doc Wally. You want me to put that up? Yeah. Okay. Okay. We've gone around the block. Now we've gone to the trophy world. I'm in the cost. And the cost for our world. That's right. Do you have a computer to talk? Because it's my mom and dad. They got in a fight. And tell me everything. Start from the beginning. And try not to ever think anything else. So first, my dad threw my tablet on his back. And then, he jumped me up because I was crying. And then, he fell with me. And then, I called my mom. I was talking down the phone. Well, on my dad, what, before all of that happened. And then, my dad took it and sing up. And then, after all of that, I said, she came.

3:02And then, my dad kept asking me to get out of my house. But to time. And then, my mom called the police. And then, he ran. And me and my brother were all dressed. And then, we, so we went on work. Three. And this is yellow car. We ran down a few houses. And we hit behind in their backyard. And then, as soon as we started to run, we heard. Okay. What happened with mom and dad? Where, where was that at? We were on our house. Who's house? Take house to your house. Okay. And who lives at that house? Where my dad? Okay. To tell me the reason mom was there. Because he threw his, he threw my brother's house back. He threw his brother's tablet at his back.

4:03No, that's why I'm drawing his back. At your brother's. Thank you for correcting me. Okay. Tell me about that part more. And then, he cried. And then, he asked me to call mom. I'm like, how are you? How are you? How are you? Okay. Who wanted to call mom? My brother? Your brother? Okay. And I just heard you out there. Because she was at RTC house. Gotcha. Okay. So, your brother wanted to call mom. Family? Family? Family? Family? That's because my brother brought you his birthday card. You called her? I came a few minutes later in right when she got there. A few minutes later, what was the first thing that happened? You were yelling after each other, and your yelling after each other. You told me about just that part of your yelling. Ohh. a pistol, a pistol, a one-of-a-world shot, a pistol, okay.

5:06Where was the pistol at? At my dad's house, in which room? In which room? Okay. And could you see the pistol with your eyes? No. No. Okay. When mom got there and you said they were yelling at each other, which room were they at? They were in the loading room, they were at the loading room. Where was the gun at then? And when they were at the loading room? We're not at the door. Right next to the door. Yeah, what do you mean? And my mom was like, why didn't you? And you said, nothing's the gun. You said, oh, for the wall. Okay. And then you said, mom was twice or like six? Twenty-six. Where were you when that was happening? Outside. Outside. Okay. What could you hear when that was happening? No. Guys. Guys. Okay. And then tell me, like, you were in your bedroom and they were yelling at each other.

6:07What was the very next thing you did? I got out. And you went to my driver. You got out with your brother. Now we were about to leave. And then. Slowly. Yeah. Okay. How did you know to leave? Because you were. Okay. Did somebody tell you to leave? No. Okay. I'm going to sleep. We just left. Okay. So now we mind with someone that we knock on somebody's door. And I don't know why I didn't know Jeffrey. He's one of somebody I never wanted to know a lot about. Oh. Okay. Okay. And then you look for each other. And then you look for the other guy. Okay. And then I. My mom was at the hospital. Gotcha. Okay. And there's one more chance of her alive. Gotcha. Okay. Thank you for telling me all of that. What did they rely on each other and everyone was in the living room? Tell me the next thing you guys. We.

7:08We wanted to show. We ran outside. Right before you ran outside. We actually lost. And we're about to leave. Into our most corners. Let's say. Okay. Right before you ran or went outside. What was dad doing? Step up. He was staying on my knees. And mom was last. He was drunk. Mom was not even strong. She was being a little lean. What was he doing? That was mean. Like. Herding. My rudder. But not me. Because I was looking for my room. And that's the last thing. Gotcha. And was that the thing that you told me about earlier with the tablet and the back? Yeah. Okay. Thank you for having me understand. So you were in the living room with mom and dad over yelling. And. So around the world. You're in our bedroom. Staying out. Our folks. Thank you for correcting me. So you were in your bedroom getting on your clothes. But right before you ran outside.

8:08Where was dad? He was in the living room. Like. Right. Actually the door. Right next to the door. Did he ever leave? So living room. Or could you ever stay? And leave. You didn't stay in the living room, right? Could you ever stay? Have you ever seen him do anything else? So, because you're already run the wife. You already ran. Where? He keeps the gun. He keeps it in this room by the TV. Describe that to me more. So there's like this big stand. So there's like one right here and then there's another one on top of that. And then there's another one on top of that. And then he has a case for his gun. And then when he was running to go get his gun, he hit a board number four. By the way, what's like? OK. Could you see him running to get the gun? Yes. And that's when he ran in the ass. That's when he ran in the ass. OK, I want to hear more about that part. So tell me how you know he was running to get the gun.

9:08And my mom kept on saying, where is your alcohol? Because she thought she was drunk and he hit off the wall by the light switch, which is up here. And then we heard it was loud. It was loud, OK. And then when he ran in, he hit off the wall. That's when you might run for a random safety. That's when you and your brother ran to safety. We weren't about that. Oh, thank you for telling me that. Is there any other reason to decide it's run for safety? Because we didn't want to get... OK. What's somebody talking about, like shooting? No, it's got it. What we know is how he ran. We knew he was going to go get his gun. Tell me where he ran to. The bedroom, because that's where he keeps the gun. And could you see him run to the bedroom with your eyes?

10:09Yes. And then when he hit the wall, that's when we ran out. That's when you ran out. And then when you ran out, tell me the first thing you could hear. The first thing you said to me, it was like loud and like... Like thunder, loud. Like thunder, loud. Mom and dad asked me to each other that day. They were kind of being mean. OK, tell me more about that. So they were like fighting a long time ago when I was like five or four. And I remember them yelling a long time ago. You know, I was dead memory. I still remember that. Tell me how do you feel around that? I think my brother sat here with me, but we don't really like him anymore. OK. Anything else that you could hear or hear somebody say that you think is important? We heard our mom say, quote, any cartoon runs.

11:13Tell me more about left part. So like, when he was born to get our gun, when we were like scared, and we were about to run out of a house, that's what our mom said. Quote in first and round. And that's when he was going to give the gun. Yes. OK. Thank you for sharing that part with me. Anything else that you could hear somebody say or that you think is important for me to know? I heard a little bit of a scream. Tell me about that part. So I think it was my mom screaming what was happening during the scream. I could only hear it a little bit, because I was like, bye. That was going through the process of divorce. I'm sorry to hear that. How long have you been married? I have years, I have years. And tonight an incident occurred that led you to be here.

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13:15and it's way too fun to miss. Yes. Well, what exactly have you heard? In my eyes, I will kind of get into the backstory of it. Correct. Jordan Wheeler. And I'm talking to some of you. Jordan throughout the process and the course, she lost all rights to the house that we have a set of dress because she was kind of using it to stop and check on me because she's got a borderline book on you. And yesterday

14:17she broke a border order that she signed and got pretty aggressive with me. This is substance of what I'm saying. It's nice. And it's I've never been a violent person. I don't really know. What else I should speak on her or what happened? Well, how about this? You're saying that she violated some court or what do you mean by that? So I had the what's the girl like the right trying to remember exactly what's called the basically the right to have privacy in my

15:18in a mirror home. Okay. And obviously if two lawyers freaking agree to let the husband have the rights of privacy in his own house so you guys someone was definitely kind of crapping on. You know, him or crap about her. So are you saying she knows a lot of come to your house? Yes, without my express written concept. Okay. You have her coming to your house without your permission to pass. And I just heard you say that she came to your permission. Came to your house at nine o'clock last night without your permission. Yes, all right. So she showed up without you knowing that she was going to show up? Yes. What what was she doing there? Why did she come over? So I honestly don't really know her in town with her riding a house.

16:20I had my children with me. Well, two out of three of my children, my boys and my boys were in their bedroom honestly. And I was in my kitchen and I kind of went south from there. What do you mean south like argument? Yeah. Did it get physical? Her towards me. Yes. Tell me what happened. She approached me. Called me a self-esteem should said I wasn't thinking about the kids because whenever she signed the rights way to the house, she, I guess, wasn't thinking very well because she's been living at her sister's house.

17:20And she was, you know, you know, your self-esteem should be the set, the other, this first time for her. Because I know she approached me at her to go away. A lot. And so my left arm out reinforced her wanting to go away. For me, wanting her to go away. And she wouldn't. What was she upset about? The fact that she signed away her own rights to the house and the fact that it made me selfish. She wanted me to after she signed away her rights to the house. And she really wanted me to move out of the house. And I was just like, no, I'm not. Like, I've been paying this

18:21mortgage since 2016. Why? I'm going to move away. I don't have any place to go. I don't have family here. You know, like, if she wanted to move back in, she could have. And I told her that she wanted me to move out of the house. I wanted to move out of this house. I don't have nothing to do with that. I live in a basement of that and the other. Well, you moved out or you were a horrible dad. And then, when did she move out of the house? When she started staying with her sister? August 7th. I was a school for the military, and that's the date that I came home. She had filed for divorce at that point in time, but I was talking to the cadres, and

19:25I can smell blood in the water. Got home, August 7th, August 10th, the kind of text message, hey, I filed for divorce. So what have you guys been doing in the meantime then? I guess the portion, as it got ugly, never as one time ago, not ugly, but kind of getting at each other, I've never, I've never been to that person, you know, scream when my hands are whatever, well, last night I got a troll though, right? Ever think of me as a little, yeah. If I understand you right, it sounds like she showed up uninvited, and she instigated some problems there, that what you're saying, you had to put your hand on her to get you

20:31away from her. She, she put her hands on me at first, how did she do that? I'm just kind of nervous. What be time, shouldn't I? Where were you at? That was, that was in my kitchen, front of the sink. Okay. No. We're having difficulties, but it has a drinking problem. They're having difficulties. He is in the military, he's on, what do they call it, the National Guard, National Guard. And he was being sent to Pennsylvania for some training on how to fix helicopters. And he got really drunk the night before he left, they had a really big fight. And she told him that, you know, when you come back, you need to come back sober or things

21:35aren't going to work. How long does that? That he left in some time. While he was there, he would continuously text her all day long, all day. And if she didn't answer, he would get angry. He was telling all of us, he contacted everyone in the family that he was going to come that the chaplain had come in because he was going through these boot strings. And he would tell her these things to make her feel guilty of it. I've got text messages from her where she has screen-shotted things that he has sent her and that kind of thing. He's right. He's like walking a real fine line with him, you know. He's told her that he doesn't want anybody else to have her, he's obsessed with her.

22:37He doesn't really, her thing that she sent to him yesterday was, I need to see you put the kids first. I need to see that you care about the kids and that you want the kids to be first. Because that's what life is about, it is these three kids. And he turned it around to, well, if you're not in the house, then nobody else. I mean, I see you're getting upset about it, right? And I know you feel bad about it. The shitting, the shitting, the shitting, the shitting, the shitting, the shitting, you know. I'm a Robert, a Roger, or whatever Kuclyn's getting, the ice band. I'm not, I'm not, understood. Like, this should, like, whatever you put me in my cell. I sat there, sleepin' them, had a fuckin' flashback, I was like, fuck, god damn it, dude. Well, like, you know, I'm a, I'm a freaking C-Fail holder, yep.

23:40And I, never, in my life, wanted to have the, resorts of that. And yeah, like I, I want to be honest with you, I want to be, freaking just, you know, I, I want to put all the facts up there so that you can do what you have to do, because you have a job. That's right. You have a job. And I want the judge to be, be with their job. Fuck you, it's hard. It's not gonna be easy, bro. Yeah, you know? And like, I don't know where kids are. I, kids are at her home's house, so they're safe. Kids are good. Kids aren't hurtful. I'm assuming that her mom knows what happened. She does.

24:41Everybody knows what happened, but nobody knows why. Nobody knows exactly what happened in there. You obviously know things that are not in control. And I'm sure that you could take it back a hundred times out of a hundred times if you could. I'm sure you would have, talk about that back door and go on and cool off somewhere if you could. A hundred times out of a hundred times. No, whatever you corner a person in that person doesn't feel safe. And also, I was being berated. I was being hit. Like, what am I going to do for you to choke slam a person? Thank you. Whatever happened, Bryce? No, shit got bad enough. Yeah, we did, right? Shit got bad enough that I had to defend myself. And what, what did you do to defend yourself?

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26:45to fun to miss. You got to say it man, it's going to stop to say it, when I say her name Jordan it upsets you. I'm sure you didn't really want to do it but at the time you did it. So I walked away from my kitchen sink, Jordan and I kept on having a heated exchange near the front door. You said she was braiding you by the front door?

27:47No. Did you have a gun on you at that point? I had the gun on it before everything happened. It was on my kitchen table. You know, I never threatened her with a... What do you normally keep your gun? It depends on the day, time of day, you know, kitchen table, next to the front door, nightstand. Even with the kids and the house? The kids and the house, typically I keep them unloaded, the pistol itself on top of the

28:54pistol with the magazine inside the underwear drawer. But tonight you had it on the kitchen table? Yeah. What got you to the point that you actually got to go out and put it on the kitchen table? No. I was anticipating just cleaning the frame of it, it was 9 o'clock and now kids were supposed to be asleep. Okay. Is that where you normally clean it as a table? Yeah. You're going? So you had to lay down on the kitchen table and get ready to clean it. Jordan shows up. Yeah. You guys getting to an argument? She gets an argument with me. Yeah. There's one thing that, you know, it's older, a couple of probably two or three days ago. There's one thing that was stopping, and that's not to act out of motion.

29:58I don't think Sad was there too, well. Yeah. How many times? Not sure. More than once. Who are you intentionally or shooting? What are you trying to do? What kind of question is that? It's a question I'm going to ask. If you're shooting someone, you're standing to kill them. Yeah. And it's something that's got to teach you. Right. You read Boy Scout? Yeah. Yeah. Can I ask you a question about each voice? I don't call them in Carson. Was Carson having trouble with homework? Yeah. Okay. Carson always has trouble.

30:58Well, he has less, he's always had less trouble with homework when he is with me. I mean, to be honest, I'm kind of like a Red Foreman. That's how many shout out. Okay. I'm just going to start him bad. Yeah. He's a painter. He's not very good. He always does. I don't know where I tell him to do. Do you know if he, uh, you got to hold the Jordan call. They're held by us all morning. Uh, I call him dead. Call him dead? No. Okay. I'm not a Carson. Okay. And what happened with that conversation you got? Um, I mean, it was just kind of normal. I do your damn homework. I don't understand why, you know, you're kind of being a pan. Colton Jordan that's me.

31:58Was there an issue with an iPad? Was iPad maybe taken from Colton and thrown out of her anything like that? Uh, he claimed that at one point. And that's not factual. Okay. Well, that would have been yesterday. Yeah. Yeah. Right before Jordan showed up. Oh, not me. Yeah. Like yesterday. Like Tuesday. Wednesday. Yes. Okay. So none of that. The homework issues went down. No. The yesterday's Friday morning. Yes. Okay. Okay. Okay. So. Um, so the boys didn't call Jordan. Man, the kids always call Jordan. Okay. So I guess someone asked you, did you know the boys called Jordan? Not necessarily yesterday. So in your recollection, there was no issue yesterday at all.

33:01Which was Thursday the 19th. It was about probably about nine o'clock tonight. There was no issue with boys as far as. I don't know. All in Jordan about homework. No, the boys were pretty cool. It was a side of that. My daughter was made as a boy side. Which is always kind of nice. You know, no. That's just us around. And. Yeah. I have no recollection of the boys calling their mother. Okay. You know where the boys were at when. When you. They're better. Okay. Did you already cry or screaming from the boys? Nothing. You know, nothing like that. And. As you stated. We think maybe a couple times. Did you check on the boys after that? Do you know where they were? Um. After it happened.

34:02Um. I remember going outside. Um. Trying to my neighbors saying, hey, make sure my kids are okay. Does a white. They live cross-streetly. If you take a step outside of my door. They're in that neighborhood cross street. So make sure my boys are okay. Make sure my kids are okay. And. Just lay down. You're saying that you had to put your hands on her because she was being. What was the word you said? Grumpy. Okay. But she was getting in your face, right? Yes. All right. And I have to redirect my attention from the dishes and what. I played a lot of countertops. That was just like home. I have to talk to this woman.

35:03I have to interact with her. Okay. And. So, yeah, I had to turn around and meet the threat. It's okay. And where did you mean to threat it? I'm saying probably about it right here. Okay. And what was threatening about her? I mean, she's like five or nothing, right? For intonation. Man, she's been. She's certain me. I'm sure of the dependency of this divorce. Like, give me what I want or else. Do this. Or else. What? I don't fucking know what. Or else. Okay. Have you ever been violent with you before? Yeah. I mean, there's no police records, but. She's. I made it before. I'll come. Did any of that happen last night? She did not. They're okay. Okay. All right. But it got to the point date. You felt the need to go grab to gun.

36:04Four times. Allegedly. Well. So. Is it really allegedly? I mean, we're just talking about it, right? You just said. Right. I mean, so. Remember, I said it's going to suck. Now. Jordan's dead. You killed her. She's not coming back. So. Do you know that she was on the phone with them on one? What happened? No. So I'm trying to figure out where the self-defense is when she's on the phone, talking to the 901. I'm just trying to. I'm trying to hear you out. You're okay. I'm trying to give you your chance to explain what happened here. Because I can tell you that that won't call. Sure.

37:04So I'm like that she was fighting. Yeah. She's trying to get the kids out of the house. I want to hear you. No. I understand. You tell me. Okay. I listen to the call. Okay. And she called 911. I don't know if she's being truthful, but she said that I need to police out here because we're having an argument that's getting physical. Okay. I was going to just go because of her. And maybe it was, right? Maybe it was getting physical because of her. But then while she's on the phone. I don't hear. I'm here with spin quest where you can play and win from the comfort of your own home with hundreds of slot games and all of the table games you love with real cash prizes. Right now, $30 coin packs are on sale for $10. For new users, it's all at spinquest.com. That's s-p-i-n-u-e-s-t.com. Spinquest is a free to play social casino. Boydware prohibited. Visit spinquest.com for more details.

38:06Hi. This is Alex Cantrowitz. Welcome to Big Technology Podcast, a long time reporter and an on-air contributor to CNBC. And if you're like me, you're trying to figure out how artificial intelligence is changing the business world and our lives. So each week on Big Technology, I bring on key actors from companies building AI tech and outsiders trying to influence it, asking where this is all going. They come from places like Nvidia, Microsoft, Amazon, and plenty more. So if you want to be smart with your wallet, your career choices, and meetings with your colleagues and at dinner parties, listen to Big Technology Podcast or ever you get your podcasts. Can you do it all? Um, it's hard to hear something that is happening physically. What was happening? Explain it. Just so that I know. I heard getting into my box. Okay. I heard walking out to me. I heard now. Can I ask you a question, boys? Yes. So we've got you at five, nine, a hundred ninety four pounds.

39:10She's four, four, eleven, ninety four pounds. You're saying she's in your box, in your space? How did it escalate to where you retrieved the gun times? Where am I going to? Bryce, we don't have blinks, man. You want to know what I think? I think you screwed up. I think you were so mad at her that you did something really stupid that you can't take it back. And yeah, maybe there wasn't argument. Yeah, maybe she was in your face, but look where we're at now and look what happened. And I was. I just think at some point, Bryce, you. I went at him so I was coming to get him.

40:13And then he plays the scene on me. Okay. I have an on video. Okay. Can you get out of the hole with him? I am trying to get my kid stopped, so I should get out of here. Okay. You're ready for bed. So they're trying to get dressed and get their stuff first. Because they need my whole attention, ma'am. No. Get out of my house. Okay. Can you wait in your vehicle? Are you alright? I can't get out of here. Get out of my house. I also believe that he's been drinking, so. Okay. What did he do to you? He grabbed me and tried to push me out of the house. What's your name? I'm a child. Do you have a toddler? To him, please. But to her then? Yes. Yes. Do you see him drinking? Please, though. Anybody have any weapons?

41:13Yes, yes, again. Where's the gun? Somewhere in the house, probably in the bedroom. But it's not being used or threatened in the middle of a... No. Okay. What's his last name? Your shoes. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. I have to go back to the right. I have to go back to the right. Come on. Come on. What's going on? Come on. Come on. What's going on? What's going on? What's going on? What's going on?

42:18For the sake of you two boys, for the present, for your boys to witness it. It is being the complete man right now, at his little age. For the sake of you two boys, for the sake of you two boys, for the sake of you two children and your daughter, wasn't there right? You have a piece of redemption here to where you can be a man just like your oldest boy. Because he knows what happened. Because he knows what happened. Challenge. I think we're done here. For the morning.

43:18I need to get some sleep. I need to do a little bit of print. No. I need to go to school. I need to go to school. I need to go to school. I need to go to school. I need to get to school. And sucks it. Can't get a freaking blanket. Or a pillow. There's some things that I need to do. It's not going to be where you... We understand that. Appreciate your time. time, waste your time. I don't know if you're hourly paid or paid salary. I'm assuming you're hourly paid is by the county. I mean, I know it sounds stupid as hell. I'm gonna blank it in a fucking pillow. Sounds like you're crazy. I don't know. I understand. Oh, I am. Yeah.

44:30Good. I guess. That is good as we can be. I understand. We had to have been a reason to push you that far over the edge. You went all the way back to your bedroom to get the gun to come all the way back to the living room. Something I didn't go on on your head to drug you to do all that. And the way that she had been talking to me for days, weeks, talking about I'm going to take the kids. I'm going to move to Ohio, you know, or trying to, you know, get me to leave the house and just the way that everything has been going. You know, freaking broke. I had her breathing down my

45:38freaking throat, you know, barely afford to pay for my freaking divorce attorney. Now to take a loan for that. So all these things were building upon themselves. And this has all been building for the last two months. When you're in Pennsylvania, she's talking about breathing. Yeah. What's up, baby? It's Bretski. And I'm here to tell you that SpinQuest.com is giving out free sweeps coins. All you got to do is purchase a $10 coin pack. And guess what? They're going to give you the coins from a $30 coin pack. That lets you play all your favorite games like Blackjack, Wanted Denner Wild and we're talking real cash prizes, baby. SpinQuest.com. SpinQuest is a free-to-play social casino. Boydware prohibited. Visit SpinQuest.com for more details.

46:43This is Mike Voilo of Lexicon Valley. And I'm Bob Garfield. Are you one of those people who sometimes uses words? Do you communicate or acquire information with, you know, language? Hey, us too. So, join us on Lexicon Valley to true over the history, culture, and many mysteries of English. Plus, some ice cracks. Find us on one of those apps where people listen to podcasts. I didn't. I think a lot of it, Bill. You didn't want to see her with any other man. You wanted the family back together. You wanted to be like it was when they were happier days. These are all normal things, dude. These are all normal things.

47:51So I'm probably going to prison for Christmas or a... It's hard to say, but it looks like it. I mean, here's the thing, man. You messed up in it. Sometimes it takes somebody one second. It squeeze off five rounds. How long are you going to take? Less than a second. Right? And there's no takebacks on that, you know what I'm saying? There's no takebacks. But you know what else there is is manning up and explaining why you did it and what you did, okay? Because here's the thing, okay? You know, your son saw you do it. Are we really going to do that to him? We're going to really have him come in and testify to say, as I die, go back to the bedroom, get the gun, come on shoot, mom. No, we're not. Are we? We want... At this point, listen to me, if I'm you at this point, do you only think that I could think about it as my kids? That's that's just me, right? And I don't know if that's what you're thinking right now,

48:52but that's the only thing that I would care about. You have to think one minute at a time here, right? You can't think long term right now. You have to think about your children and their well-being, right? Do we really want him to come in and testify to say so that, right? So I mean, the gun wasn't on the table, the gun wasn't laying there to be cleaned, right? So I went in your bedroom, okay? Can I tell you what I saw? Your gun box is on the ground. Next to your closet. That's always there, okay? There was a clothing hamper spelled over it. In my mind, men, what you did is you went back there in a huge age and you got your gun and you went out there and you made a mistake. I don't know where you had your gun. To me, it looked like it was in your closet, but I don't know. I mean, I saw your gun clean and

49:54get in your closet, right? There's a spot on your top shelf of your closet, and that gun case couldn't slide in. Is that where you keep it? Between some persons? Sometimes. I did not have my gun on the gun case. Okay. Where did you have it? Pretty sure it was on top of my dress or underneath the TV. Right in your master bedroom? Yeah. At this point, did you keep it loaded or did you have to load it? Yeah, it was loaded. Do you remember what you were thinking when you were going back there? No. I mean, was it just you were his pest or what? Well, I was sick, I don't remember. I like didn't all felt like it happened.

50:57And it did? It did, man. Everything happened in an instant. So you remember going to your bedroom? Where was she at the time? What was she doing? Probably in the kitchen. I don't want you to gas. Okay. So if you don't know, I don't want you to gas. I'm only here to hear the truth. Right. I don't want you to gas and make things up, right? The gun was never on the table. You were never cleaning the gun. We're all done with the stories. All right, we're just going to be truthful here, right? So I know because I listen to 911 call. Okay. I know that she called 911 and I can hear you guys arguing. I can hear what you were saying. Do you remember what you were saying? You were saying get out of my house. Get out of my house. Get out of my house. That's better. She's on the phone talking to the dispatcher. She said she told the dispatcher you have a handgun.

51:58She said you shouldn't know where it was. Probably in the bedroom. She was providing this dispatcher with your information. It wasn't five seconds later that five. So this is what I'm asking you is it got to the point where you you guys were arguing or whatever happened. You went back to the bedroom and you came back out. I don't know how you did it or what you did, but you have to give me some kind of idea of what happened there. I have that serious to me, some freaking sleep, like actual freaking sleep. What makes you then go back to the bedroom? Honestly, maybe it's just the whole arena that we're asking you. It's like some aneurysms.

53:07What button was she pushing at that point? You remember? You know, I mean by that when I say that. I was about to get some luck to kids. I don't know if there should be some shit because I wouldn't move it out. I'm doing it whenever you're aiming to the same thing. Do you remember what you said afterwards? No, okay. You just kept repeating. I don't remember even saying that. I don't know about too long. I remember going outside and that's one of my gobs. Yep. Do you remember anything about the shooting at all? So you don't remember how many times you fired the gun? Did she? Do you remember her saying anything?

54:07When you pointed it out there? Did she see it? Did she? Do you remember did she see it again? Do you remember what happened right afterwards? Did you check on her when she was down on the ground? And I made the shoes down on the ground. So it was probably for sure. Like you said, it will be a live show. I can't speak for it. I don't know. The prosecutor has to authorize on it, okay. What's your name? Texas. I think please give the following. Yeah, that's not happening up here. You know what though? I know you say that and you say that because you're sad and depressed and pissed off at yourself right now. But you realize that you could still have a relationship with your kids

55:10even if you're locked up, okay. And I mean, that sounds ridiculous right now. But we talked about it earlier. That's what your life is going to be about now with the kids. The kids are going to be, the kids are going to make it. The kids have to have a good life, right? We're going to have your fucking nine-year-old or eight-year-old come in and test five or eight-year-old. It does not happen. That's where I just came from. Go on. Same like you. Now you've listened. Now go to your thing. You know what? It sucks to be bored. But when I get on my phone and play real casino games on spinquest.com, the time flies by. That two-hour wait at the DMV seems like 10 minutes. Play your favorite spots. Live Black Check. Live preps with a live dealer. New players, $30 coin packs are on sale for $10. Play spinquest.com and you'll never be bored again. Spinquest is a free to play social casino. Boydware prohibited. Visit spinquest.com for more details.

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