461. Reality Corner With Kara Berry!

0:00You You guys welcome to another reality corner as always. It's me Kelly Williams and Troy McEity and We have a very fun guest you guys wanted her back as did we the host of everyone's business but mine Caraberry welcome back to be on the blinds. Thank you for having me my brother and sister in Christ You're showing up with like a boa feather fan boa. It's a stage reveal We're giving you the Neenie leagues moment that you're looking around for where is my fan?

1:01I could do that Well, I figured we should start with Rooney and I'll let you two girls kick it off because it was the premiere and I want to hear your thoughts more than my thoughts on it So you saw this carer like a while ago because you got the screener and I remember you saying that it was like a Really really really good premiere and I was thinking to myself if there's one person that I trust their opinion on if it was truly good It was you thank you. I'm gonna say that I think this is one of the best premieres of any housewives city ever Wow that's bold. You're really riding a high. I am High on the Rooney method means I thought it was incredible You saw the back of Carol Radswell and like I am a believer I thought it was so good. What did you think? I thought it was great You know as I told Carol you were there. I really feel like the show benefited from the pause and being able to create like more authentic

2:03Off-camera relationships between the ladies who return Aaron Sy and Jessel and then bringing in Women who have pre-existing relationships or so ladies. I think it was also Really a great idea. You know People can do well as a cast, you know Jersey Shore RIP Of random people thrown together and magic is made and I think we all agree that didn't really happen With Rooney 2.0 but now we're with Rooney 2.0 squared and I think like people are willing to be more honest willing to lean into their villainery Aaron and you know things are happening Kelly, what did you think I didn't like it? But I think it's because like I don't remember if I liked Sire, Jessel or Aaron like when last time it ended Yeah, I think I liked Jessel a lot and I liked her again here But like Aaron also looks so different to me that I was like, oh that's Aaron like I don't know

3:05But I will say I love Haley glass them. I think Haley could have been me in a different life I think if I was still closeted I would also marry someone and have girlfriends on the side like I really liked her brand of kooky and when she was like trying to talk to Jessel and Sine and she's like saying all the things that Aaron said about them and then she was like I was pretty high I don't remember a thing like I thought that was hysterical and also like opening up with Martha Stewart was cool A real dick on the table moment Because they've actually wanted to have Martha as a housewife and she's said no so to have her being like All right, yeah, I'll have myself a little piece of bagel Talk some shit get my makeup done and keep it pushing could on a better yellow number and like get out of here. I loved it It really was like a slimmer dick on a table moment for that to be her opening real housewife scene was Absolutely incredible like their dynamic was so comfortable and like you could tell that they really are like

4:07Real friends that like hang out even outside of just like doing work like seeing Martha like puts around her apartment was just so like Oh, it was so good and like I think that I would have liked Daisy had we not met her like I think that I still would have liked her either way But like having met her and like met like she's so cool She's exactly that person in real life like I was just like damn That was a really incredible opening moment for like your first housewife scene like oh my god. Yeah Honestly, I'm excited for what happens like halfway through the season when Devon joins Like I'm just waiting for Devon Simone to join this cast and when she comes on I'll be very excited So I think I'm just kind of like waiting for that Thank you for giving me a timeline on that because she was barely Seen like very blank and you miss it moments in the trailer so I would completely forgot that she was even Coming on the show and I was like oh right Kelly talked to her. Yeah, so I'm excited to know like okay, we do see her halfway through

5:11Yes, and not to plug nostalgia in now on beyond the blinds But she does talk about the bravo of it all over on nostalgia now She can't give like too much because she wasn't even supposed to be like announced as a cast member So she kind of had to like tiptoe around some things But it seems like it gets a lot of drama coming That'll be interesting to see like how she fits into the Dynamics like who she is close to who she doesn't get along with like I'm trying to predict who I can see her being friends with but it feels like It could be anybody because she's just so like I love her She was friends with Ebony too, and I know she made like an appearance when Ebony was still on the show But I am curious who like brings her in Yeah, I will also say that I as a day one Sci-apologist I've always loved sci and I've always thought she was a top-tier housewife like to me her In that premiere kind of proved why I she's so good on this show like she's just so good at like

6:12I guess this is ironic given what her storyline is this year, but like sharing Yeah, yeah, I think true me. You know what I mean? She's good at being open on camera. She's good at like Being vulnerable and like I don't know just the way that she does the real housewives in comparison to somebody like Jessel for example It's like night and day to me Yeah, absolutely why is Aaron the villain I feel like Aaron has a hard time with accountability Yeah accountability I think is like the biggest kryptonite for her It seems like when people ask her about things that then becomes like a She's got to put her shield on and it's like everybody's always constantly coming at me whose next whose next when it's like legitimate things like Yeah, I talked shit about YouTube much of housewives Her and I have almost the same exact big three Oh Wow, there are sun Virgo moon. She has a Leo rising. I have a sad rising. So oh, yeah, okay I think it's hard for me to see her as the villain

7:15I Also don't I get this sheet you have to have a common enemy like I there has to be like a villain in quotes But I also don't See her is like a real villain. She's just messy and like Isn't good at like Cara said taking accountability. She's one of those rare cases where she'll watch herself on TV for a year But not learn anything about herself she like doesn't learn But like and like she's immediately doing the exact thing that has gotten her into trouble on this show The whole time she's been on it like in the first episode like she kind of can't help herself But it's why she's so good in that group because she's she can't help herself. She's such a messy messy queen Yeah, it's the expectation that okay She's confronted about talking shit, which she absolutely admits to But then it turns into who told you that's the issue more than what she said Okay, then it turns into like well, why didn't you call me and then all of this would have been solved

8:20But I'm trying to understand how I have to call you For you to confirm that you talk shit about me and that you think I'm a fake snake bitch And this is how we're gonna solve our friendship Fair I You're saying but then she's like people have to vent and I'm like she's right people do have to vent about their friend Well, I mean she's like, you know, I was in Blusa, man, or what's a bunch of housewives? What do you expect but to that same note? Why would you not expect a voice note from Chanel? I am that's also very housewife coded Yeah, and it's like Si said just be like yeah, I fucking hated you at that time That's why I was talking shit like it wouldn't be that big of a deal just be like Yeah, I was definitely talking shit about you first or yeah, well, I think I'm having a different experience with you guys because I'm just being introduced to older Roni like Blair just had me watch the season finale where a Veeb throws her leg on the table sure I'm learning about that and when I watch this I'm like it doesn't compare so I don't know

9:20You guys have already moved on from that part no, I'm not how do I say that? I've never seen it Not the first time I've seen it. I've got season seven cute up as we speak No, but I do think that there's something to care what you were saying earlier about like the time off was so Necessary like they really did need it because now it feels like people who genuinely know each other and like genuinely have like Real connections with each other whether they be good or bad versus before where it was like them trying to force These like intimate friendships that just were not authentic and like did not feel real at all and now it's like no There's real stakes in their relationships with each other. Yeah, yeah seeing Brynn though was a jump scare in that flashback I'm not about me ever speak of her again. I do not miss her at To how was it interviewing them Cara at the top of the rock? Is that what it's called? Yeah

10:23Top of 30 rock it was great I was a lot less scared than the first time I got to interview the hosts and judge of top chef so sorry for the noise But it was a lot of fun like they were exactly what you expected like watching housewives do tiktok's in the wild very It you know like an experience like an experiential moment of them like figuring out what the tiktok is and how to do it That was great, but like all of them have their like very Distinct personalities are already they were all prepared like great Did they just come from the today show, but like they were they were all great in their own unique way Having Hailey squat down to hug you. What was that like She's so tall multiple times It was uh everything that I wanted like honestly. I was like an OG John and Kate head so This was very surreal that she would come on this show like the last person I could have expected to see like

11:29Because it's not like we know her from reality TV. We know her from the tabloids and like to have like a tabloid darling To and see them in like 3d Yeah And like I never would have thought that this would be her personality on any And what a what an experience like I I have met two housewives recently Both the other show and in person that I call experiences Hailey would be one of them and Real housewives of a London Amanda Cronin is another experience of a housewife. She is Like the most delusional woman that you could like the type of delusional that you want in a housewife and She just goes on these rants and anytime anyone does anything to her She's like I just don't understand because I'm a beautiful woman and people are always coming for beautiful women And they're so jealous of me and I'm successful that I have a business

12:29And I'm gorgeous and I used to be a model and why is this happening to me once again and she's just so great Everybody has so watch London. I'm really preaching preaching to the choir not preaching to the whatever the phrase is Yeah, preaching like as full Well, that's the thing about I think Hailey that just hit me like a brick wall where I was like oh she's a cook Yeah, like She's an actual cook that's not the personality not even one percent of what I thought she would be like I was like oh she's like a weirdo This is like my best thing like there's a John connection and she's kooky like are you kidding me? Yeah, it's weird to even picture her being like like I was so happy that you asked her about her at hearty days because like How could I not who even is that woman in those pictures on the boat with with John like what right? I also didn't realize like how young she was when she dated John yeah, yeah, she's 39

13:30Jesus yeah, yeah, and that was like What tweet over 10 years ago. It's crazy 2009. This was oh my god almost 20 years ago Oh god John was at her New York party last night. I saw photos of him Did he DJ it do you think Kelly that was my first question I think you have the night off We always get random DMs of people being like John Gosling was DJing and killing them in my town The way I would have not been able to resist asking her about making love to John I'd be like so the question we all want to know What was it like to make love to John Gosling? And when the edhardy came off What happened In the hot tub in Pennsylvania I mean we didn't really get like any carol moments, but I guess what do you think about her return? I'm excited for it. I think obviously

14:30I mean we need to just talk about it like she obviously knows we saw on the trailer the Epstein of it all and she has addressed this and I think and this is going to be a very tough thing for her to have to handle on social media But I'm interested in seeing like what she says about it I have my personal opinion on the matter and I think she Also is coming up against the reputation that a lot of housewives that return have which is that they at some point Get caught saying that they don't want to come back And then inevitably they do and then people are like well, what are you doing here now? I thought you didn't want to be here anymore and so I actually like I think it's pretty brave of her to like have the Epstein Gullain connection and the fact that She really was like not trying to come back years ago on her like watch what happens as they say Yeah, Carol was scorched earth like she was like

15:30Yeah, Carol has been operating like a housewife. Yeah, you said that is just I'm never doing that again So I can talk as much shit as I want I can tell all the secrets like she's been talking about what was fake and what was it and like Just like she has been airing bravo shit for years now So I can't believe that she's back But I also love it and I feel like it's really smart. I think Carol is smart enough to know That it's like if you're gonna get ahead of this There's no better platform to be Like your voice than the housewives rather than because people are gonna be talking about her Gullain Connection no matter what so she may as well get ahead of it in this like massive platform Yeah, also when people yell Epstein she could be like do you want any juice on or any teen not juice Ick on John John Kennedy because I have all of that she just can throw that out of her back fuck She does have that she loves to just play that card would she need Anything else Roni. I'm excited. I've already watched a second episode. I think you know there's

16:36Very interesting conversations that happen and I'm looking forward to seeing what the rest of the season brings Yeah, I feel the same. I'm just happy. I'm happy that I liked the premiere and I'm happy That it feels like this cast has like some neat to it like this This feels promising like this is like I'm getting good feelers. I have good Housewives vibes about this season and like I'm excited for the new housewives It's rare that I'm so excited for the new housewives, but this year I just think that Daisy is going to be a force. I really do yeah Yeah, there's a lot that goes into running a household right you have to coordinate schedules You have to do meal prepping you have to clean you might have home repairs There's just a lot that goes into it and being a cat parent that can add to it because you have to clean the litter every single day for your cats And I have to say the whisker litter robot has made my life so much easier The whisker litter robot automatically cycles after every use so you don't have to scoop

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22:51Way fair every style every home Well next gen this is coming out tomorrow, but we haven't watched the finale yet this season I think it's just been perfect. I think it's been amazing. They had no sophomore slump. I want Georgia I do wish Georgia would stop kind of being like a character of Georgia That's probably my only complaint But even her like having to drive up to the mountain and miss all that traffic because she was with producers And watching her navigate a grocery store. I would watch her do her own version of like the simple life Mm She's like nobody talks about grocery stores everything's right there Georgia doesn't grab me as much as she grabs the other girls like I get it But also, I'm like I've met a lot of chicks like that and pretend so fair very fair And I know and I've lived with some and it's been at horror shows But yeah, I'm excited that people have like gotten on the train of the show I think You know like our peers are in an age where we're like

23:54These are children. Should I be watching this? But I also think there's like so many Compiling elements and you know how I feel about Charlie Kelly. I know can we talk about it Cara? He is much of villain in not in a fun way like so many people thank you fun villain But like he's been transphobic. He's been homophobic He allegedly trafficked girls from Brandy Melville to that crypto torture house like he is truly a bad bad person I don't find him entertaining either like and I don't you know It's at this point we need to stop talking about Jackson Taylor like for real But I don't find him entertaining in the way that I found jacks because I find jacks to be like At his core like he's evil and he's a narcissist, but he's also dumb Just like dumb in a way that people aren't really dumb He's a real specific type of dude. Charlie. I like every time people say he's funny. I'm like what what did he say? That was so funny. What did he say? I think we're in a crisis

24:57We're in a reading crisis and I feel like people are mistaking Confident speaking and responding to people with like they ate They really came after that person and it's like if you listen to what they said it's not really Anything. I'm still hungry. I have an eat I do not eat Starming and yeah, I would eat like there are certain there's certain sub sex of like villains where I'm just like there's not It's not worth it And I don't just find I don't find Charlie entertaining enough to like want to keep him around Yeah, I feel the same Troy. What do you think of Charlie? I also think that we have to stop using jacks Taylor as the the poster child for like a villain on TV like Jackson such a specific kind of villain and him being dumb is a huge part of it like truly dumb and formerly hot, you know, whereas with Charlie to me Charlie is like a

26:02He's more of a like catch me if you can kind of villain like he's a villain in a way that's more sinister and There's more thought behind his decisions Whereas Jack is jacks is just like period narcissism like how can I win? How can I get ahead? How can I or like how do I Come out on top of this thing whereas with him. He's like a truly sinister manipulative Coniving individual like he's dangerous Right like the best the word. I mean not the I don't say the worst Jackson dude, but like Jack steals He's abusive. Let me just say that he's a terrible person there. They both are But jack steals sunglasses from The sunglasses hut, but Charlie Probably knows how to hack into somebody's like crypto account and steal their Bitcoin. Oh, yeah Yes, he knows how to skim credit cards. He Like nobody's going to the club with jacks and jacks is like I don't I don't have my cord. Can you guys pay like

27:04Charlie would get away with that jacks could never yeah, yeah Yeah, jacks is like Punch a hole in the wall like brute dumb Hulk smash scary Yeah, whereas he is like I woke up one day and my house was empty and my My bank accounts were drained and I'm in instimble and I don't know how I got here scary like he's like a different level I truly encouraged everybody to actually read that long form article in New York magazine about that crypto Because it is deep and weird and scary and it's not that just one Italian guy who found the the police and the corner There like a couple of other alleged victims of these men Yeah, and I was just gonna say like even last season when Charlie told Georgia. I'll slap the shit out of you Or I wish you're good so I could hit you that was just like nasty Exactly. Yeah Yeah, and he infiltrates too. That's the other thing about him is he infiltrates the group like he

28:04Came into the season knowing that none of them wanted to talk to him or film with him So he infiltrated everybody in the exact way he knew what work for each person And they and it worked on everybody like they all were like I don't know. It's crazy and like they make so many excuses for him And I hate someone who's on a show in Britens. They don't want to be on the show when they like love being in the center of the tension Yeah, it drives me crazy Hate a bigger than the program bitch. Oh my god. It's so annoying Brable loves to have like at least one person like that to one big show So like I'm an episode behind Okay, so I will let you guys talk about what just recently happened because I don't know Well, honestly, I think we could just go like by cast members and where you're kind of at I mean Ariana is my Lauren Conrad of this show And she's making some bad choices right now going after some bad boys Charlie might be her Jason Waller, but she just has to learn she has to learn and Liam I love Liam and people online are saying he loved bomb Darion

29:06I'm like, I think you just really liked her I made her on the whole laptop three. I don't really do. I need to know Liam's big three I feel like there's heavy water in there somewhere. He's my cancer sister I Honestly bet. Yeah, I think Ariana like godlover Knowing the background is so interesting to see how like well adjusted she is. I mean yeah Everybody has like a Charlie in their life where you're flailing and you make a really big mistake Mm-hmm she seems to be on the other side of this if it were not for that. I would be still breaking out in high. I was like as we speak I I just love her and I just feel like I agree she's got to learn unfortunately on camera like she's doing the exact things that like You know you and your friends did when you were like her age, you know And like you said she's shockingly well-adjusted. It's almost like she's one of those kids where her

30:08Environment was so insane and so unstable and so unpredictable that it made her go in the opposite direction where she's like Very grounded, you know like she She's just shockingly normal and chill and like down to earth and but then on top of it. She is like a a true born star And it's like because she went through the Kim Zolciak boot camp her whole Life of being on camera. She just operates different like she's just re and it's even different than like Gia or um Or Riley because they had their own like tardy for the party was on for so Long like it's a different experience that she's had Yeah, yeah, there is a clip though from Gia's podcast where Ariana is on there and they kind of talk about like being Perentified the parent defined sibling of a situation where there was like serious

31:08tumult Within the the family unit and your own reality TV and they have they both talk about specific younger siblings that have like crashed the fuck out and that they've had to deal with like Melania and Ariana was talking about her sister Kaya and I thought it was very fascinating That is a good point. She had to grow up really quick and kind of take control of things Yeah, that's like very specific to her and Gia like Riley never had to worry Anything you know, but like thank god. Thank god. Gia is like literally raised A brood of children and her mom Like it's crazy Speaking of let's talk about Gia. I like Gia Gia doesn't bother me in watching her navigate like the bravo con episode was really fun for me Because she's like oh this isn't my first rodeo, you know Like I know exactly what I'm doing watching her interact with like the fans and then talking to her

32:09boyfriend to be like is our family not gonna be on television because I don't know if I like that Like her doing that on camera to like Make sure that the world knows that she wants to have a show in the future I don't know. I like her. I think she's really pretty. She says some stupid thing sometimes where she'll like Kind of like contradict herself or you know, she'll be on Charlie side and you're like what are you doing? Like why are you doing this? But for the most part I find her pretty like She doesn't bother me, you know, she doesn't really bother me much at all Yeah, you talked about like the difference between Gia and Ariana and I think the difference is like Gia I think like Ariana they're both for identified But Gia was like more front-facing and the fact that we were all like Gia so mature look at what she's doing while her mom and dad go to camp And then I feel like there's a point where you're in your 20s and your maturity level starts to like hit the same point as your peers And I feel like that's kind of what's happening with Gia like to your point like she'll randomly do these things

33:11You're like what the where the hell? Why are we doing this? How are you like jumping ship when Brooks and Riley all decided with you we're gonna talk to Ariana because she knows we were talking behind her back So like we just want to let her know exactly what we said and then Gia's like Riley was really mad at you I'm so nervous No, that's so true and the thing with her that's so unique specifically to her is like she was preentified like Really young like she was preentified at like nine You don't ever heard that little scarf on like a sauce day. Yeah, like outside I feel like that's a sauce day Gia, are you on your monthly? Oh my god. I felt like I just I was just transported to the garage I'm turning the wheel as we speak No, but she was like an adult way younger even than a normal preentified child like she was like eight years old

34:14Like trying to like shake some sense into her own mother and you don't mean like um, and it's also interesting because like Gia was always like the golden child like she was the one that Teresa was like she's my star But in reality Melania is the star of that of those children It's always been stated and it's always been like Melania is the real like firecracker and Gia is like actually so chill and like She's like a little old lady Well, I'll never forget when I bullied you into watching next gen and you were like at least give us Melania not Gia You imagine Melania on this cast Not she I have to Melania having a conversation with Brooks marks Like please Melania would be tapping her nail in his head while she's tossing him like she would literally scare these people Wait speaking. I've let's talk about Brooks. Let's do it. Oh my god. What a fucking snooze Like I don't know how to describe it here and there he'll like turn something on and engage a little

35:17But even like when he's decided to get mad at shy who barely said anything bad I was kind of like that's like low-hanging fruit. You know what I mean like going after shy is like Punching a puppy or something as someone who like likes to go after shy. No, I'm kidding But yeah, I just feel like he's so boring and I wish he'd give more and like even shy calling him I took time out of my work day to answer your face time So I think you should be a little more respectful It's like oh, so that's how you're gonna fight with people like I don't know As he's like on his iPad slowly zooming in on a zipper pull I'm busy Troy and I went to the next gen premiere party and I spoke to Brooks a little bit we both had a conversation with Meredith and and Seth and I'm bought in on Brooks just because I look at him now kind of like a Who did um the movie the Christopher guests like a Christopher guest character and like if you view it through the lens of that he's a dream

36:22Okay, I feel like people aren't they don't get it and I feel sad He okay, I'm like completely split down the middle because I think that he's so camp at times like he is just so He's so ridiculous that it it goes in a circle then comes back around to being camp And sometimes he does say stuff while he while he's slouched in that chair like a little ventriloquist doll Like a little like broken doll He does make me laugh sometimes, but I also think That the him being on TV is pure absurdity. It is just like it's we are This is nepotism like this is it. I don't mind nepo babies But what I do mine is like him Brooklyn Beckhaming about where it's like you're not good at being on TV Not Brooklyn You're not good at being on television just because it's the family business Does it mean that you need to also have a sp- that he's just It's ridiculous that he's on this show because he doesn't do anything. He's so boring and I'm sorry

37:26Enough with the fucking jump the the sweat suits. It's enough. We're done. It's enough. I'm very cloth It's enough. We entertained it for way too long It shouldn't have lasted longer than a season I can't believe that we're still even talking about it and pretending that it's a real business Enough. I can't do it anymore. Troy how dare you we know it's a real business because when we went to Racket on Sunday afternoon to watch Meredith Mark's DJ That's got on the mic and was like Everybody I'm gonna need you guys to go down to Hudson Yard Rook's got the patent on a new Terry cloth go down there right now like we saw this happening real time So that was all we did see that and we saw him planning it on the show and I was like not him planning the the Launch of those fucking sweat suits and that by the way, that's why he hates Shy shy That's why because shy is a real designer What he's doing is actually really cool like upcycling it's

38:27Sustainable it's actual design It's real fashion it looks good. I'll say he's an idiot for not wearing this clothes on TV every minute But like Brooks hates him because he's a real designer and Brooks knows that he's not yeah I completely agree and I do think when it comes to Brooks though if he's with like Ava usually he can get a little funny If he's with a mirror They might like giggle a little bit, but if he's like alone, it's just oh my god. Oh my god It's unbearable it gets out of point now where it's like he either needs to not be on this show which will never happen Or he needs to be like a friend that they run into the way like Dylan Geich was the first season remember when Dylan Geich was on the show The fact that you know that van's government name is Para you don't want to know the things that I know about Dylan Geich you don't want to know it would scare you Well when we talked about shy earlier in a reality corner in the past

39:28I said I didn't like him, but he did grow on me. He's just like an annoying little brother And once I saw him in that role, I was kind of like okay. He does a great job being the annoying little brother Well, I think I was thinking about this earlier like people were wondering why earlier in the season did Geos Even have such an issue with him and to the same thing with Brooks I look at it kind of like if Katie Maloney and Schwartz never gotten to a relationship She would be so deeply annoyed with him because she works hard He just fails upward and we come off of the season not that I love shy, but Let's be real like he was a plus one of a plus one on the show and there was really no reason for him to get another And so I could imagine like people like Gea and Brooks who This was their show, but then they also weren't even received all that well. I'm probably like what the fuck are you doing here? Hmm, that's what I think I think I think that they think they view him as like a a hanger on yeah

40:29And they don't want to indulge him or engage him and give him screen time and like I think yeah like they like look down on him I don't know I really like him a lot I've always like I might think that he's really sweet and like weirdly normal Um, and he does give like just annoying little brother vibes But I do think I agree with I think they view him as like an outsider which is crazy because Honestly his little like Five 10 minutes scenes on the show are more entertaining than Brooks has ever been on television. You are right Yeah, I completely agree. I do like that Ava was finally like maybe he's cute maybe I'll kiss him forever She's like cute. He is cute. I'm sorry if I you looks like a little Hollister employee or something It was like he'd be wearing billabong and working at the mall his voice sounds so similar to Stephen Coletti's it's crazy They sound like the exact same maybe that's triggering as well If I were in this friend group, which I would be the guy that I went for for sure

41:32I think his little hoop little tiny hoop earring is so cute. Yeah, and like the minute he was like He went from being like To be like the minute she gave him half a signal He was like it was like Steve Virgoldo step on her cow like he was like you want this Because I got it girl. She was like yeah, I'm gonna take it When she said that he um when they were sitting together and he asked if they could make out Like if at were me that story would have ended and like yeah, we fucked like I let him fuck me And we went into the bathroom and whatever happened happened. Yeah, I told him fuck me but make it quick I guess Ava Ava has not had a sophomore slump last season I thought she was really boring this season she clocked in and she said I'm gonna be a part of this fucking show Yeah, thank god most improved. I feel like She really came off so unlikeable to me in the first season But I kind of knew that kind of girl the private school like lived in New York or LA, you know like she

42:37Obviously like wanted to curate a vibe of like I see hot girl You know, and it was like kind of mean and like too cool for school But I think she got the hint I've been saying like You can't have a dad like hers and not have a sense of humor about things like the man is Constantly in debt His teeth are flying out of his mouth on Instagram live like you have to laugh. How can you not That's a good point No, I totally agree I feel like she came into the first season Yeah, thinking she had to be like the icy like fashion girl because of like her mom basically And yeah, it's done wonders for her to just like be herself like because she's actually so funny And like not only did she clock in but she like makes jokes about how she was bad the first season I'm like you're clocked in and meta Okay It's like give her another take Give her another take She's so funny and like I don't know. I just think it's really cool that she's so vulnerable about like the messiness of

43:43her family and like You know having to call her dad to get money back that you borrowed and stuff like doing it on camera is just like It's amazing Forever I will be a God at this man having the nerve to be like, uh, did you get that money? I sent you we all know how payment confirmations work Damon Would have an in your email alerts if you if the money was sent if you had it to send and you sent it And the fact that he's in real time doing a press tour about hating jz while this show is on it like He just won't stop like he just will never stop being Damon Very true. That's funny. Do you think Riley's gonna come back? I don't know. I don't I don't know. I think she's probably our most red alert red alert not returning. I don't know I think she wants to have more fun than she's having. I think she has a hard time being vulnerable

44:43and I think like for Every good reason she doesn't feel safe within this group. I think if she had a couple of friends on here Like for real like if we could bring up Angela's daughter from Atlanta like do you want to live in New York for a few months? I think she would be like a lot. I think she would really blossom I feel bad because people are like really tough on Riley They really like Anything she does. It's like turns into a whole multi-generally rational This was passed down from Mama Joyce and candy and what did we expect which is like an insane That's a like least favorite Riley discourse like yeah, haven't you seen Mama Joyce? Are you joking right now? Are you really trying to say that? This is how Mama Joyce would act in a bunch of chill like it's ridiculous Yeah, I don't also think a lot of the Bravo viewers are older. They're in their 30s if not in their 40s And maybe they forget like how crazy they were at 22 because watching Riley and like how she drink

45:46I'm like you should probably check that or else you you you're gonna have to stop drinking the way I had to stop drinking But it's also not anything that like I haven't done When I've gotten too drunk and then got mad at friends for letting me get too drunk or right I would say like maybe the one thing that run me the wrong way is like when she was rude to Ava But I also chucked that up is like she was already pissed that she had to hang out with Georgia She doesn't like Georgia and she took it out on the wrong person which isn't great But it's also not like she killed someone I think Everybody who drank even semi regularly in their 20s can point to a night where you like did something really out of character and weird And like did something unacceptable to your friend or friends and we're like rude or whatever like I mean who amongst us truly truly You have the thing about Riley that I think is unfortunate is that this should be Like such a launching pad for her like she's in the perfect time in her life in this show should be like

46:48She should be the one that gets a spin off from the spin off you know but she's just Not good at being on television. I just don't think that this medium is for Riley And I think that that's like okay Like I think a problem with a lot of these kids is that they think that it's like this is the family business and like Candy even I think if candy was like in her 20s on TV I think it would look a lot like Riley Like candy has over the years learned how to like do this in her own way But candy even isn't like she's a unique reality star especially in like the Atlanta Like universe. There's no other house. I've really like candy And I think that if Riley was older it would be a lot different but I don't know. I just don't think that she's meant to be on reality television And she's been like that since she was a little girl. Yeah, she's very reserved. She's very very pulled back. She's very shy Like I don't know. I just don't think it's like the right medium for her

47:50Who's left Amira Amira I think is our last one outside of meum But I don't know if we need to like talk about Liam. Just know that that's who I would want to date is Liam He's my burdened gender on this show Um, it's I love Amira and the thing that I love Is I think a thing that some people have I've seen been critical of which is the fact that like her Identity for you know quote-unquote as a trans woman is not like at the forefront of every storyline Every moment. I mean, of course we had this horrific shit with Charlie in Georgia basically like Being mad at each or well Georgia being mad at Charlie using this bullshit whatever the fuck Charlie said about um Amira behind her back But like in terms of like what we see in her specific storyline because obviously that was not her choice. She Has beautiful parents who love her and has support her and she has a boyfriend and she has his fabulous career

48:57And and she's gorgeous and everybody's like oh my god. You're like that girl And I think like It's great to have Representation where a trans person is just a person And they are loved and supported and we get to see that and it's not like a struggle for them every moment And they don't have to like talk about this and have it be a thing I think it's great and I like love that we get to see that and I love that this is her life that she Does have two parents that love her and like support her like it's great I agree I feel like it speaks to their friend group too like They just view her as a human being and Nothing more than that and it's not like at the forefront of every like they're just this is our friend Yeah, I agree with you. She's honestly like poster child for it actually does get better You know because it's not like you said it's not at the forefront of everything and everyone's just like that's our girl Amira And Amira's also so fucking cool and beautiful Like everything about her is so cool the way she can talk to people the way she puts people in their place

50:02I also love that she can be vulnerable on camera And in a way where it's not like overtaking everything too She can be upset and then like sit down with Charlie have a real conversation with him without making it Some big blowout fight and I give her a credit for that a lot of credit and a lot of restraint And I also love the way she commands a room like when they went to that Upstate ski trip Everybody was like scrambling around for a room in a bed and it was just understood that Amira was gonna have her own room Like nobody thought that not even Charlie She had a room with a couch in it and they're like like just like rack racing around and like Amira's like Yeah, great. I love that for her I also will say I really appreciated her Showing the behind-the-scenes stuff of like why she does influencing and like The way that it affects her life and like she's doing it for her family You know because I feel like people kind of group influencers into this like Mass of like just narcissism and consumerism and all these things that are like negative

51:04And I love that she was like I do this for my family like I have so much I put so much pressure on myself to take care of my family And that's why I do this to the point that even they are like girl Chill the fuck out like you don't need to be Doing this every second of the day, but I just thought that was like very cool like it added a lot to Getting to know her, you know And she wouldn't have been causing a ruckus at the US open No, just taking a little selfies drinking her millen ball drink and mining her business. She wasn't I already saw the pictures She looked lovely She's already posted them and she bought it Are we missing anybody Rowan? I just wanted to give a shout out to Rowan I really like Rowan and even her leaving the ski trip asking if she could take home rotisserie chickens Just made me love her I think she's a great addition and I hope like next year we see a little bit more about her life. Yeah me too They really like her. I love her and broke together. I met her in the bathroom at the party and she was Lovely like somebody whispered in my ear when we got here Rowan as it

52:07And then I met her in the bathroom like oh no, I get it like there's just something What when you see a kid who's really got moxie like it really shows like you could just feel it And she had that like great energy and I love that she like does not miss an opportunity To whack Charlie in a confessional In the preview for the reunion. It looks like she's holding him to account and my feeling is Rowan is in that special nepo baby spot. We're like Charlie knows he can't really come for Rowan because she's Brooke shield. Yeah, he can't come for her And she's smart and I love that. She's almost like the Ariana to his jacks like I know it's really gonna be like a thorn in his Paw because she's smart She's beautiful and there's li- that he can't do anything about it. It's really gonna be annoying and I can't wait She's not interested in him at all. Yeah Yeah, and you're right. She's smart and funny, which is like you don't want to go up against a smart girl That's hilarious. Good luck with that. She's rich. She's connected. She can literally end you

53:10They would be nothing for her Can I ask what to say is a sign on before we move on from the show completely I am obsessed with how they have them paired up for confessional I think it adds so much and like the dynamics between each pair Is just chess kiss Like it's so good. I love it And I like how they break the fourth wall. I think they do a good job of when they break the fourth wall how they do it It's very teen mom Pulling back and seeing all those people filming Liam and Ariana in bed That was great. I loved it I don't mean me laugh really hard when who was it? It was like Ariana and Gia when they were like you know when Gia was like you know what Georgia's actually like fine Like she's not annoying and Ariana's like yes, she's actually funny and like not annoying

54:14What do we have now girls trip? Yeah, that's the last thing we have on our docket talk about on an like an epic episode like oh My god, I was like it kind of in tears I whipped a bit When I watched it, I was just like I love women like I really really love women stories matter. They just do I felt like I was like good women No, but it's true like Kelly. I feel like you've watched housewives enough now to know There are people who think that this is just about fighting And it's really not like it really is about like women friendships and like Just how much more layered female friendships are You know and complicated and like emotional and sometimes they're like erotic A lot of I think with this show a lot of those women like each other a lot more than they realize It's like sometimes they are each others once you love

55:15But what did you guys think? I mean, I loved it. I'm like Vicki. Oh my god I was back in my hometown having a great time. Yeah, have you been to that place where they go? No, I don't think so But um, yeah, I mean, I thought it was such a great time. It was such a great celebration And I think even the way it felt energetically was kind of like the way Housewives rolled out like we have the OG we stop in Orange County first and then we go to Beverly Hills And it's very like she she she and then here we are in Atlanta And every bitch has 47 moments and they're so funny and they're so iconic and they're all incredible And it just like will change and shifted everything and guess who's uncomfortable with that Wow Vicki is a thorn in my side she's a bee in my Barnett I can't take like stop hiring Vicki to do share on this network At this point like if you don't if it's not loud and clear enough the fans

56:19We don't want it anymore. I I can't believe like how unbearable this woman is on this show And it sucks because everybody is like vibing so hard like it's such good vibes between everybody else And then there's her being like I never watch it later Fuck off I'm not talking to them and looking in the camera is though like she is like winking to the audience like I shouldn't be here you guys right like it was insane She made my bob look bad Just swimming in that pillbox hat like I guess I haven't watched a lot of Beverly Hills yet But it's is Kyle like kind because she seems really like No This scenario yes like amongst other housewives. I would expect like this sort of behavior Okay, on her in her town

57:22It's a little different Makes sense because I really like loving everybody but Vicki and I know like Lewin I feel pretty like comfortable with Lewin. I know Jacelle pretty well I'm learning about Portia. I'm starting to meet her a little more So She's the one that like I don't really know much about other than like fans don't love Kyle on TV anymore Yeah, Kyle is somebody who like girls trip really serves her well to like be out of her environment Okay, it translates a lot better and I would say like a little bit so much like a little bit more for Lisa To like we've seen every stop has been held for her Yeah, yeah, Kyle much I love her on girls trip and I Love her on Beverly Hills like I really wanted to leave I'd give anything for it You've really asked the two perfect people because I'm a Kyle Apologist and I always have been Karen I have podcasted about Kyle Richards for a decade Right

58:26And I'm like it's nice to hear you say that you like her in this format because I do think that it does serve her to be It serves all of them all of the housewives are better in this Environment and I saw somebody it was like one of the Bravo content creators saying that they think that this is where It will go like one day will just be doing girls trips and maybe You know and like the housewives afterlife One day in a million years when this show doesn't exist anymore It might just be girls trips and I would be fine with that because I'm obsessed with seeing like the yachtsy shake up of these women together. I think it's so fun Well, I think we talked about those last time we hung out Troy was that I feel like Kyle as the O.G. of Beverly Hills is forced into an alpha role when really she's a beta And she she's much better as a team player where she doesn't have to be the leader Because she gets stressed the fuck out and like she doesn't know what the hell's going on She's real people please her Yeah

59:26So it's like she's not until she's not and that's why Her dynamic with Lisa was so interesting Lisa van der paum because Lisa was the true alpha And Kyle knew that she was the Gretchen to Lisa's Regina Yeah, and it worked and it was fine and then when Lisa was gone It was like all of a sudden Kyle was in this position of power And I don't think it serves her like I think that she's better off Being like you said a group Like a team member and I will say I think Kyle at her absolute best is when you see her with The people she's really genuinely connected to people like Taylor Armstrong for example Like that's Kyle being the best friend that she possibly could be Kyle at her absolute worst Is when she's like with a house after she doesn't like that's when you see Kyle's true Kyle can be so evil Vane's bustin Oh my god, like just as Carlton Kyle can be so evil when she wants to be but I love I can't clear her that's my sister

1:00:33I will say I've really liked Lisa Barlow up until this past episode I was reminded why I don't like Lisa Barlow because she will never apologize for anything And as somebody who has to be at an airport at least two hours early even though I know my flight's gonna be delayed for at least three hours That would send me over the edge like I would truly truly truly lose my mind Well, I think the timer got people confused because really she was only like 30 minutes behind That's still that's still too many I understand it's annoying It would have made them I made a mental note of like it would have made them get to the airport two hours early Oh, okay, so Ultimately like I feel like 30 minutes you got a cushion and I understand like a lot of people are like Oh, yeah, this this is this is Barlow But I also push back on the fact that jazel tries it and like big dogs people In a way where I understood Lisa being like I'm not going to apologize Simply because you're like apologize to everyone now

1:01:35I will do it when it's genuine and also when you shut the fuck up So like maybe I wouldn't have handled it that way, but I understood Lisa's motivations Not me. I'd be like I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'll never be late again No, you do you have to assert yourself with jazel because if you don't assert yourself jazel Well that will determine There are every interaction you have for the rest of the time she knows you Like if she sees that you're like a weak girl or that she can bully you or force you to apologize She will lit if she's a dog with a chew toy She's a dog with what they call congs And get her licking You are her raw hide and she will nod on you for the until the end of time she is barely stopped knowing on stacey Like no, I know she literally is like it's insane

1:02:35I have a mother who like her fighting style just she says it over and over and over She does not let it go Same way and it's just very triggering for me like It's like you got a staff lady you got a staff when she sat there and she goes well, I am mean that may be laugh really hard Which is like I am mean and I'm not gonna apologize Jazel is so funny is she big dog is truly the definition like that's jazel and a nutshell like she will big dog anybody She just wants to see like how far can I push you how much will you take Can you volley it back are you shady she like needs to like But I also feel like that's a real Potomac thing they like to They like to really really sus the women out before they interact with them or like engage or like be too friendly Like they really sniff you out Yeah, that's the soror is jumping out. We're initiating people. Yeah, that's the wordy shit like she that that has never left her

1:03:36Do you think luanne was trying to fuck Cynthia Bailey just as 50 cent sure? I think she would have she would have for sure She would have why not darling at one point I was like I think a louise flirting with Cynthia It's running with everybody I love louise so much Luanne's alter ego being the her night job that she does every single night for years is so funny So Fucking money. I'm the count is darling You know what she was talking to jazel and she was like It's cabaret that's my alter ego and she was like but you do cabaret all the time you are always cabaret you are cabaret Exactly darling money can't buy you class She tips her for door and wants another Ha Life is a cabaret darling Unlike that bitch bathony

1:04:36But you are always cabaret you are cabaret every day live for cabaret God is louis louis is like just hire louis for everything any spin off the show ever has always make sure that louis is there Exactly Do you remember when I bought you a cameo for your birthday and louis was like and please come to my show links are in the bio Five minutes happy birthday and then 30 minutes promo I know I swear to god every interview that louis does needs to be watched and is must see tv One time she did one with dany pelagrino and it's just like Um, he would ask her a question like what's life like she's like great and i'll be in Boston in two weeks money Can't buy you like she just can't go It was so funny. Oh my god. Yeah It's literally either like promo for the cabaret or like anti-bethanese slater She hates bedthenies so

1:05:39Much i've never seen a house. I've hate somebody to that to the extreme that she hates Bethany like it's amazing so funny God What else happened to what else do we who we missed who do we need to talk about Teresa? I guess Teresa standing by Lisa while Lisa was talking to Heather in Angie. I was like is Teresa sweet because I've seen some jersey. I've watched some jersey I watched like when they went to italy and this is when i knew like the melania's a star when they're on the like gondola And she's literally standing on the boat just like shaking her hips and rocking it back and forth I'm like she's gonna fall in the water and nobody gives a fuck but like Teresa seems like a good friend and i know that's probably not right But with Lisa she's like i'm not leaving your side and she's like holding her hand like off to the side So she knows i'm no every housewife loves Teresa. They all okay every housewife across the board will say Teresa reached out Teresa called me when my like even when Greg died nini was like Teresa called like she's

1:06:41Teresa is like a teddy bear but i think in her Again on her show. It's just a much different dynamic like to be honest I really do think Teresa kind of had every reason to be guarded on her show because they like It's a different thing like they're hiring her family members to come for her and like that's not typically Like you might get like an ex-wife for somebody of your or like the new wife of your husband or whatever But for them to hire her whole family Who are all against her and to keep it a secret and not tell her that they're hiring her cousin her Or like her uncles her aunts her sister. I mean, it's crazy. I'd probably be worse if they surprise For real imagine Yeah, Teresa is like Again like Kyle somebody who i think serves better in these like girl group not with her cast trips

1:07:42She is yeah very funny her like learning the power of friendships suddenly after like how You plus years of Of making people be in her corner She'd be like and now I understand what it is to be a good friend Yeah, that's Kenyamaw was to me and season one of my ghost trips And now i'm gonna do it for Lisa and the way she just like appeared like Something yeah, if she's saying something what's happening? I loved it she said because what are you gonna do? It's the combination of her her being like short tempered Not intelligent, okay little ditsy is that what we're calling is that what we'll call it dits And like her fuse is so short she all it's like The combination of those things just makes her a very interesting little tornado I will say I miss to activated Teresa sometimes I do like she's so kumbaya on this show. I miss seeing her like Pick up a glass and then search the room for where is the best place to to throw it?

1:08:47I love that side of her Yeah Like she'll search for like three to four minutes for a place to slam a glass. It's like in that time. I think you should have cooled down I like what he's like talking to Heather. She's like she said she didn't have a facelift and that could be harmful if you That kind of stuff is really damaging you can't say that Yeah My only complaint is not enough Mary Cosby. I know she's an appropriate. She cracks me up Mary Could be makes me laugh a lot. Yeah. Oh my god The moment where Heather was like doing weird Heather shit and she was like feeding Champagne to porous as dog and Mary was like what are you doing you can't do that that's it me What are you doing like her face was mortified What the fuck Well, I liked when Porsche went up to Ashley or who was she ashtop was that ashto pee ashto pee and Ashley's like is that a real dog?

1:09:48Wait, I want to ask because We have been Heather Apologist on this show, but that's like changed a lot for me over the years What do you think her about Heather like just in general? He Prices right losing horn like what a flop Loser like I loved her much like y'all did season one of Salt Lake and then it's like I don't know what she think she's doing is trying to do it doesn't work She gets a glass of Prosecco and she pops the fuck off and it's always sloppy and weird and aggressive and Unnecessary and we saw it when she went up to Lisa Being like what's your costume? Oh here you go phoning it again. What are you so mad about? We're not on camera I'm gonna get a glass of Prosecco. What's wrong with you Lisa? Why are you so upset? She's just like clearly jealous

1:10:49She's clearly a loser much like Vicki I feel like Heather has like a deep high school middle school wound from out being cool enough Yeah, and now she's on this show and she's like I'm gonna be the queen B Whether you like it or not and obviously she wants to To quote Dean a man so skin Lisa Barlow and wear her like last year's Gucci and it like she's always so jealous She hates the relationship that Lisa has with Meredith because she'll never have that relationship with Lisa. She just won't she hates that Lisa got picked to be on the show because she think she should be on this show Representing Salt Lake for 20th anniversary and she hates it And she hates it all these other older housewives are like we love you Lisa because she wants that to be She doesn't want to have to be like sniff it up under Cynthia and being like I'm obsessed with you I'm obsessed with you people are going up to Lisa and be like I'm obsessed with you and Heather hates it It's so clear and it's truly because like Lisa is so authentically

1:11:52Her kooky weird self and Heather can't be authentic on camera like she's so obsessed with the optics and how she looks and how she's coming across and is she the Voice of reason she always wants to be the hero of the season like it's so Calculated and I almost would count that moment where she was yelling at Lisa is like a hot mic moment like that was like Oh really weird it was like Oh, this is like what you do like you are literally bullying this woman and like the most nan nanabubu-ass like Elementary school way like what are you doing? Yeah, like phoning in it like she was like literally bullying her because she thought that it wasn't gonna be called a camera Yeah exactly and I actually don't think it's a hot mic moment because I feel like Bravo has been Every once in a while on these shows The editors are telling us about these people for real without telling us and I feel like that was less of a hot like mic moment And everybody being like this is why they're actually actually guys Yes, she sneaky. She's provocative and she's drunk. Yeah, yeah

1:12:55There was no reason why we had to hear her say I'm gonna go get another glass of Prosecco true That's a good point and she was like wastage. Yeah, so drunk. That's my house my new house. I was tagline I'm sneaky. I'm provocative and I'm drunk Somebody write that down for me, please That No, but that was crazy. That was like oh, this is what Lisa deals with when nobody is like around to see it It's like this is what she that was crazy You're phoning it in why are you being so weird? She's like I just like dressing like a cowboy And like phoning it in bitch. You're wearing a leg avenue jumpsuit with a waist belt claiming it's a Britney Spears jumps like what you can find a latex jumpsuit anywhere with the fuck are you wearing? Hello girl Ramona did it better And I was about to say it Troy really was Ramona did it better Ramona even had this the the side part like she actually she did the the mic in the microphone

1:13:59Yeah, she was wearing the sketchers like Ramona really went for it with the oops costume I Have they just wanted to look hot that's all it was yeah, she wanted to show off her her revenge body. Yeah her heart wasn't in it No Never is Thank you for coming on this was so fun. I feel like we need like a like a bi monthly yeah you coming on the show situation Yeah, you guys need to come around next month to my podcast Absolutely we would love to be there and even though we said it at the beginning car Where can everyone find you? My podcast is called everyone's business, but mine so you can listen to that everywhere you listen to podcasts and Follow me on Instagram and threads at everyone's business, but mine I'm pretty active over there She's the only good person on threads threads is hell on earth Thank you All right, everyone. Thank you so much for listening. We'll talk to you next week. Bye Bye, Ellie

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