#421 | Laura Van Tyne | "THESE ARE NOT HUMANS" | INTERVIEW WITH A DEMON HUNTER

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1:04getaway. Hey guys, welcome back to the show for a rare in-person interview with our good friend, Laura Van Tyne, met her years ago at E-Seti Ranch, I believe, 2019. She has been slaying demons ever since. Thank you Tyler. It's really fun to be here by the way. It's a donut with you guys hanging out. Thank you. It's a good time out here. We had some fun at Bradshaw Ranch the other night, which we can get into some of that, but really why we're here today is because Laura is, I always say her offices in the

2:04Astral Realm and she's constantly helping people battle demons, remove entity attachments and clearing houses, homes and businesses and just helping in general because we are in the midst of a spiritual war right now. If you are in this line of work, I don't have to tell you that we receive attacks. We are attacked a lot of times in the Astral Realm and psychically and it's easy to just pick up entities where you're walking from town or go shopping at Walmart, wherever any case is and we always need to keep our spiritual and energetic hygiene in check. If we aren't doing that, then that's how we get manipulated mind control. That's how we start to get sick. We can get diseases. It can destroy relationships. This isn't something that we take lightly. Really genuinely is, I call it a demon hunted because that's what she does, not everybody's built for and not everyone's cut out for it. We need people like her to help us remove these entities and help us clear ourselves,

3:10clear our life, clear our path so we can stay focused and not be pulled off track. I can go on and on and on about everything she's done. She's written a few books and your website, LauraVantine.com. That's exactly it. You can find more about her there but welcome to the show. Thanks for being here today, Laura. Thank you. Thank you for having me. It is, we are in World War Three, but it's not designed for the 3D realm and what we really have to remember about these demonic beings, they could be reptilians, they could be our cons, they could be anything. Honestly, they're just parasites because they need us and we don't need them and that is the biggest lesson out of all of this. But if they're stuck on yet, we got to get them off because they do all kinds of things to us. Right. We've had you on the show many times in the past. If anyone's interested in the backstory and how she got into this line of work, you can just go through our library type in her name and find those interviews.

4:12So I won't have you repeat a lot of that stuff. But either way, it was like awakening through adversity, baptism by fire. We kind of, like a lot of us, we just find ourselves in the middle of this and we learn the hard way. So what do you see right now? You started off seeing reptilians and clearing these entities and stuff. What do you see right now? Has it gotten better? Are we at this precipice of the spiritual war? What does it look like to you? It is getting better. It doesn't feel like it because right now we're all running around. We feel the chaotic energy going on. We feel like we're going to pressure cooker. I do believe what is happening is that we are simply, the dark side is, if we view them as a bunch of toddlers, they're having temper tantrums right now because they're losing a lot of these wars and they are struggling. In the past, I would be working with somebody.

5:12I would maybe find reptilians with them or whatever it was. And there would be a lot of them. And there have been a lot of cases lately where I'm removing them. And as I'm removing them, it's like they sort of give up. They're just sort of done. But we never want to rest on our laurels with this because everything can change in a heartbeat. It doesn't matter what the circumstances are which it is. We always have to be aware. Right. And for somebody who doesn't know what type of things are you seeing on people that they may not even understand is working through them and how do you remove that? Just explain to our audience why I'm calling you a demon. Yeah. Well, when I work with somebody and a lot of people in this field, colleagues have worked with me. I have a process that I use where you get to see in sense what is happening to not just me. So we've got two sets of eyes on the situation. And in the past, it would be, let's say, we're finding reptilians. I'm using them because they're kind of the more common ones.

6:15We're seeing reptilians. And what's happening to the person is maybe they have this weird anxiety that is not theirs. They're dealing with brain fog. They have no energy, something in a siphoning, something off of them. They can't put their fingers on it. Or you are in a relationship with somebody if it's a spouse, a boyfriend, girlfriend, a child or whatever. And you just have this explosive anger out of no reason. What is that? Where is that coming from? And those are kind of the more common cues and clues that we have that something is off. But a lot of times now, they're impacting our health. So these medical mysteries, these medical anomalies that are happening with people, a lot of times it's this unseen, energetic world that is maybe targeting a heart issue for somebody or lung issue or whatever it is, a skin cancer or cancer, whatever. So there's many ways that they can gain access to us.

7:17But I don't want to scare people. But as long as we're living a clean life and we're working for the greater good and we're not, I'm not saying we live a perfect life, but we have this intention, this consciousness about us. It makes it harder for them to attach to us. Right. Yeah. So that's a great, I'm glad you said that because we don't want to scare people. The purpose of this isn't to promote fear and talk about this stuff and dwell on it, right? So we're going up in all of our lives and everyone's dealing with it in some capacity. And Laura is the person you call the Ghostbusters. Thank you. And yeah. And you know, there's many people not to take away from everyone else doing this work out there. Everyone is, you know, so there's many of us that are needed and a lot of people are very powerful sold right now, you know, assisting in this. But so when somebody calls you and needs help with something, just give us kind of walk us through what you're going to, what you'll potentially see and then what you'll do to help remove that demon. And maybe if you need one to get specific and share a case study.

8:20Yeah. I can, let me think about that for a quick second. I just worked with somebody a couple days ago. And there's a methodology that I use that I've developed because I don't want to, I remote view. And so when we're working together, I'm teaching you how to remote view also and remote viewing means I have the ability to project my consciousness to another time, space and dimension to where the biggest interferences are. And so that's how I get started. I'm just going to let people digest that for a moment. It's shifting your consciousness to another time, space or dimension to see what is happening or feel what is happening because when we talk about, oh, I can't see things. I'm not psychic. You're in two ways and tells you that you're psychic. When you feel energy around us, that's a psychic ability. It doesn't have to be seen dead people and demons all the time because that's no fun. Right. So using those senses.

9:20So we're working with this. And I have over the years what I would find and I have, I don't want to say too much because I don't want to, if somebody ever works with me, I don't want them to have a certain expectation. So if I am working with somebody and I have them set up the scene, okay, maybe it's a mountain scene or maybe it's, it's some kind of scene and we start analyzing what is going on because this is their higher self and their subconscious self showing us what is happening. So if I am seeing a lot of mountains, for example, that tells me that there might be a reptilian eggnasts around their energy field under the house or wherever it is. So that's one of the examples. So maybe reptilian mounds would be one or sometimes children and even adults will see maybe spider bings walking on the walls and the ceilings and stuff and where does that come from. They have no right to be here. And so there's been a lot of them in variation. I've developed this craft over the past 20 years, which is crazy to think about.

10:23I used to be a middle school teacher. I should be retired with a pension, right? Right. Right. So those reptilian mounds tell me that we've got reptilians in the neighborhood and we got to remove them and I have a process that I use to remove them. It can be a dangerous process. They don't like me. I'll be honest with you. We were out the other night at what was that? Brasjar. Brasjar, where was the friend of ours, Evelyn? And she's like, there's graves and we're all hearing graves. I'm like, man, I don't want the graves. Right. Right. They don't like me. But the process is as we see what's going on and we remove them and I have a process that I use with my spiritual guides, my teams. It's the angels, it's the dragons, it's our dromedans. All of these beings play a role in this. And over time, my spiritual team has grown so large and they all have different strengths and purposes.

11:23And so I know who to call on for what. And that's where I met with that. But I wanted to bring up the spider beings because I've been seeing a lot of them lately. And this is like an astral spider, right? Astral spider. They're usually about six feet around or something. And what really can remove them, if you can get rid of the fear and there's not too many, is visualize yourself pouring salt on them. And they can disappear. But these spider beings often have a straw in the center of their back and they will go under the bed and then they will siphon our energy out. So you're tired of finding out fully sleeping. They're relatively easy to remove. I've been just seeing a lot of them lately. It's just them in variation. I see waves of things. And so if you have, are seeing or sensing that, bring in a green night light in your room or in your home. I mean, in the early days, I figured out that the frequency of green at night created a barrier against these dark things. And our house looked like we were ghost busters. I mean, they had something on that with the green light. And you know, back in those early days, I hope God, I hope the neighbors don't ask, what's

12:27going on? Right. Nobody ever did. I think they made it afraid of us or whatever, I don't know. So there's tools and strategies we can use to help ourselves. Green night light at night. Franken's sense resins are really potent also. Dragons blood resins are potent. There's a lot of things we can do to help ourselves, but sometimes we do need professional help. Yeah. Right. And it's interesting to spiders, you know, that's something that came up for me recently. And we kind of correlated it to, you know, Sedona's of vortex hotspot, right? And there was one specific location where lots of people go and they'll do ceremony and connect. It seemed like that intersection, that lay line intersection portal, whatever was hijacked. And distorted, the frequencies were distorted. So whatever positive energy was flowing through there, it seemed like these spiders are whatever dark and it found the way in.

13:27It found the way in. There was a chink in the armor and they kind of took over that spot. And it almost like that's how they're getting into the area. Yeah. And it sounds kind of silly, but I think that's really what we're dealing with here. If people are coming to Sedona, our places like this for spiritual growth and healing, it would make sense to me if I was on the other side of this war to set up shop and wait for these naive people to just walk into your territory. It's like a honey pot or a flat shot, right? Absolutely. And then they're snaring people without even even knowing and they'll leave. They might not even know or notice the subtle difference in their energy field until it's too late until it's too late. It grows and grows and grows. You bring up a really good point and I kind of want to say this because a lot of people come here to Sedona with good intentions, wanting a spiritual experience, but spiritual experience is not or not all the same. And we have to set what kind of spiritual experience do you want set the intention, connecting

14:30with the higher realms or whatever it is. And a lot of people, I will hear people say or they'll tell me that they like to open portals. Why do you feel they need to open a portal? I think the light side can have access without us opening a portal, right? And so it's spiritual hygiene, spiritual boundaries also. We've been walking around and I've been wanting to make a social media post on this for a long, long time. So we're just going to do it now. Okay, perfect. Perfect. Okay. And this goes into the concept of I do not consent. Okay. So for a number of years, everybody's running around saying I do not consent, thinking that we'll take care of their problem, right? It doesn't, it doesn't. So right now, what we're seeing with all of this disclosure stuff is everything hiding and plain sight, right? Have you ever heard of carnalian law? I know. Okay. We've got all these spiritual laws, all these karmic laws. There's something called carnalian law.

15:31And the carnalian law is what the dark operatives use to absolve themselves of any wrongdoing. Sure. So what they will do is they will put something in a movie or you'll see something and because it's in plain sight, then they're absolved from whatever harm they cause. Right. Oh, it's like revelation of the method. That's another. Yeah, exactly. So when you're saying I do not consent, you can also add and carnalian law does not apply. Okay. It actually adds an extra layer. Because now you're saying this carnalian law does not apply period. And so they gain less access to you this way too. Right. Yeah, that's great advice for Ron. I mean, these are things we don't think about. Most people don't know. I didn't even know about that. I've been doing this for years. And I'm sure maybe I've heard about it, but you know, we need these reminders. You get so much information coming at you all the time. That's right.

16:32I mean, serious. I mean, I can't even keep up with you. Right. It's a lot, but I found a way to navigate it. And yeah, but I appreciate that. So I want to also kind of connect this to what's happening right now in the world with the Epstein Island stuff that files the what's going on in Mexico and the Middle East. You know, these cartels and these targets that we are taking out. They are all basically at the top or maybe not the top, but they're definitely middlemen of this like child sex traffic in satanic, pedophile, e-read ring. And how much of that, how much of what you see is connected to that. And do you have any insights, Ron, and like, who are the key players involved in this? All of it's connected. We cannot clean this planet of the evil, rid the planet of the evil. If for example, we recently went into Iran and decimated the Ayatollah and all of those people.

17:33Right. So, these are demonic beings and human bodies. That's the difference. So when they exit the physical body, that's when I get to go in. And I get to go in and it's dangerous work. I'm not. It's just dangerous. But removing those dark souls, those dark entities from the Earth plane so they can no longer come back through the lower astral is going to be the game changing moment. I don't recommend people thinking they can do it without being fully studied, fully knowledgeable because it was really dangerous. I went after, I counted 60. They said 48 or something like that. I went after them and removed them. I had a team with me. I don't do this by myself. Removed them because that cleans up the planet. Removed the souls from the people or the lower astral. The demonic souls that were in the human bodies, removing them out of the lower astral.

18:37The same thing with Jeffrey Epstein and all of these other dark beings. If we allow them to roam the lower astral, they get to grow their armies down there. They get to reincarnate back here with more and more power and more and more evil. We've got to clean up the Earth plane, but it actually starts in the lower astral. A lot of people are seeing all this news right now and they're fallen into this doom and gloom there because that's actually what's being pushed. If you don't understand the highest aspects of this war, then it is a spiritual war, it may look like we're fucked, pardon our language. What do you see energetically astral? Would you agree with the statement that there is a light force and alliance, a whitehead operation that is actively pursuing this darkness and trying to take that down? Is that what it looks like? You have to get rid of it. Right now, there are beings guiding certain government officials to help.

19:39Removing the dictator from Venezuela was a big deal. Removing the junk in the Middle East is a big deal because it's also funding and funneling these little pet projects they have. So, looking at Minnesota, this is such a low-hanging fruit that had such a global impact. The billions of dollars that fled the state of Minnesota went to fund terrorism. Right. This is all dark ops. I don't care how you want to spin it, but it's getting cleaned up. We're seeing the light. Yeah, it looks scary. It's like, oh my gosh, is this going to happen? Is that going to happen? Nothing worth having is easy. We have been in the spiritual war for many, many millennia. We're seeing the cusp of things really starting to turn the type, which is a big deal. Then you've got the Mexican cartels. You've got China, you've got Russia, you've got all of these countries which are being

20:41poppited by dark ops. They have been really working hard. The United States is honestly one of the last strongholds on this planet for many reasons. If they have to break this United States from the inside out, it's the Trojan Horse story. So, they're doing it through bringing in the fentanyl, bringing in all of the sex trade, all of this stuff, and it's crumbling now. It's causing a lot of disruption. This is a disruptor present, but we have to have a disruptor present. It would be great if we said, okay, it's all over now, and we're going to start over right now and have this beautiful, wonderful life. It doesn't work that way. Right now, we're at this, are you familiar with homeopathy? So when you take a homeopathy, it gets worse. Your symptoms get worse before it gets better. They do feel that's where we're at. It's like healing pains. It's the healing pains, and everything is coming up to the surface really fast, and that's

21:43what's happening. Right. Yeah. That absolutely makes perfect sense to me. And it's kind of, we've known this, and we talk about this on this channel a lot. I appreciate seeing it through your eyes, though, because we're talking about what's really behind these people. And I want to go back to something you said earlier, okay, they're not people. Some of these aren't people. And potentially reptilian or other hybrid races, different bloodlines that belong to, who knows what, but they don't see themselves as human. And therefore, that's why they're targeting us, right? And because we're just, they're harvesting energy and we're just, we're just food source, fuel source, blown up. What do you see? Is it just reptilians or is this like a, no, a hard cause of, but they're here under the guise of the human body. Yeah. And I'll explain that, maybe, just somebody who doesn't understand. So the dark side will capture souls. I call it soul napping. It's more than just loose. So when somebody dies and the ghost energy, so what, the energy that animates this body

22:48and this body is our soul. So when we, we die, our soul leaves the body, it has to go somewhere, right? And so we've been programmed in this matrix to believe that a bad person should rot in hell that their time wasn't done or they don't want to go. What this causes and, you know, who gave us those thoughts? Definitely not the light side. The light side wants us to go back home. Is the dark side. So when we don't cross over, it gives the dark side, the reptilians, the grays, arcons, access to these ghost energies and they can take them. And they do, I have seen in the work that I do, reptilians that have these huge canisters that are like the sizes of large homes, it's an off-world metal. And inside there, they put in these souls. And in these souls, they use their energies, they extract their energies, they can reincarnate these people. And their souls are broken, they're damaged, they're fractured, they're traumatized.

23:51So this gives them more access to being a deeper, marionette puppet to control the people. It's still my job to break free of it to the best I can. But as they're doing this, they're inhabiting people and then eventually they can kick the soul out of the body or they're, you know, the non-character players kind of thing as well. So in the middle east, I see a lot of gin, J-I-N-N, DJ-I-N, whatever you want to spell it. You know, think about that cute little Robin Williams movie, right? Jeannie and Aladdin. Oh yeah, yeah. Right? That's the gin. And isn't he cute? Isn't he fun? He's a trickster. Yeah, he's a trickster. Right. And so that's what I see all over there a few years ago when Hamas took all of those people, I was seeing the gin all over that place having a massive feeding frenzy. Right. It's heartbreaking on a good day. And I work really hard to break it as best as I can.

24:51I know it's not all my responsibility. I know there's other people doing it too, but this is a big deal. Getting this stuff off the earth plane is what we're here for. Mm-hmm. Okay, so you're seeing humans that have been, their soul has in the back seat and something else is in the driver's seat. Absolutely. But it's still a human in essence. Yes. Now are you seeing actual extraterrestrial, like physical body reptiles? Oh yes. And participating as well? Absolutely. There's one American politician every time I see her on the camera, I see the reptilian all the time. Interesting. Yeah. I wonder if I could guess who that is. Hillary? That's one of them. There's another one too. Right. Nancy? Oh right. Yeah. And she actually admitted it once in an interview. Yeah. She's three of his sad shoes of reptilian and some news interview. So therefore those bodies are, there's no human soul in those bodies and this is the concept that we have to struggle to grasp. There's no human inside that body.

25:53Yeah. But the body looks and feels like a body, right? Right. And that's when you get into, I'll just use this as an example, the Hillary and Bill Clinton deposition, then lying through their teeth as a true sociopath would because they, their mind is fragment and in a sociopath they will, they have altars, right? Yeah. So they can literally tell you something and believe what they're saying or act like I, I never did that. They'll look you in the eye and said, I never did that. That wasn't me, even though it was, but they're part of the half of the brain believes that it was them. So I'm sitting here watching this like the audacity of these people just lying through their teeth pretending like this is nothing they had, they didn't do it. But it's, we're talking about a sociopath, right? And that the main fracture and altars and, and not even being human, there is no moral compass. So to then this is just a game. This is just a game, right? Absolutely. And Bill Clinton smiling and, you know, I was like, Oh, I remember the good old days, look, you know, reminiscing here, that's a second, Astein files, right?

26:56Oh, and you know, this, we talk about Epstein and wanting justice for all of this stuff, but we have to understand that that symbol that was Epstein, it's still being carried on. It nothing, it stopped. I bought a month ago, I had a whole bunch of, I'm going to call them Epstein victims because I don't know the new name of whoever's in charge show up in my bedroom. And these were newer victims. What was interesting, their souls, their souls, they were dead. And they were being, they were telling me they were being, I don't know how they got out. And I don't know how they found me, but there's about two dozen of them. They broke free somehow and they were telling me that they were being experimented upon to create a golden bloodline. Yes. And that was the first time I had heard of that. And they were, in these experimentation, there were two people, Bill Gates was one of those people. And that's kind of a no-brainer, right?

27:58Of course. But they get harmed, their souls get harmed. And then even in death, and this is where I want people to really think when somebody dies and we say, well, at least they're in a better place, never assume that. Bring in your angels, acts, the biggest form of spiritual service we can have is to learn how to cross over ghost energies, the dead. Because they can recycle this over and over. As simply, it can be as simple as I'm requesting a team of angels from the higher realms to take these ghosts, my beloved, my not so beloved, whatever back home to the heavens, to the higher realms, whatever your word is for right now. It can be that simple. Yeah. That's, yeah, that's important. Helping the transition to those souls, I agree. And rewind me back just a minute ago. What will we talk about just, oh, Epstein.

28:58So the, yeah, unfortunately, it's not just the one island, right? And I know somebody who helps rescue children, and he works for the Trump administration. And they're very, very successful. Not that they've gotten a green light to go in and actually do this stuff. Prior to that, it was actually illegal for a citizen to rescue your child because you have to break the law to rescue you. So now they've gotten that green light and we're actually making some headway. But he said that it's Epstein Island is one of many and they're still active, unfortunately. It is very true. And this is where a couple of years ago, we had an open border policy, right? Yeah. Which was all by design. All by design. All by design. Because if nobody knows you're missing, and nobody's going to look for you, it's that simple. Right. And we're talking about these, you know, we're talking eugenics and cloning and breeding programs. If you don't even know, if we don't even know these people exist in the first place.

29:58Right. Exactly. What kind of slave labor force are they using for all kinds of stuff out there, plus their own experiments? But going back to the golden bloodline then, that is what the Germans will do. They're not so, they were trying to literally make perfect the Aryan race and the blonde hair, blue eye. They were basically anyone that wasn't them is very, you know, you could see the races and there, but that's what was happening. And I think it's a very deep, complex story that I think what Epstein is trying to do or what they're trying to do on Epstein Island is something like that. They're trying to preserve this bloodline and make the model citizen, the model human, whatever it is. By using all of these people and, you know, that he had, I guess the company that was involved in all the school photos, the portraits was in the Epstein. I saw that in the Epstein files. So they're tracking all these individuals, right? And they're getting their images and they're scanning these kids, right?

31:02They're scanning these kids to see who would be compliant, who was a good fit? What psychic abilities do they have? Yeah. To say is that they're monitoring everybody and they're tracking bloodlines and then they're collecting DNA to see what if you know, to try to create this superior race, essentially. And that's interesting that you saw that because I mean, all of that information is in the Epstein files. I mean, they're absolutely doing that type of stuff. Consciousness, transfer, soul tracking, soul monitoring, it's all there, you know, and it's not a theory anymore. So that also, this is another interesting point. Maybe you can touch on this soul tracking, even the CIA has documents declassified on this. They know they can monitor souls and then see which body or even steer them into certain bodies and bloodlines or families. What do you see as far as echoes? Does that still happen? It is still happening. I want to say it's lessened a bit. They will steer people in certain directions to get them to do certain things.

32:08And there's a certain technology and I've seen it many, many times. And all we have to do, if we get a thought in our head that's not ours, one, is it beneficial? Is it positive? Is it harmful? Or is it negative? Figure out what that thought is. If you feel like that thought is not your thought, you have the right to say no. And just stop what you're doing, say no, and go do something else. It breaks the connections over and over and over. Every time they try to connect with us and they fail, they lose energy. So energy is currency, current. So every time they try to tag me, I actually went to the Seven Sacred Pools this morning with a friend of mine and I felt something go whoosh right through here and like, whoa, wait a minute. Nope. And disconnect it, get re-centred, get grounded and move on. Don't go into hysterics, don't go into fear. Because those are the emotions they want.

33:09Because once we do that, they get more and more access to us. And I'm telling people that because it does happen to me every now and then. But when you have a strong mind, they can't connect. They're going to try. When you have a strong mind, their prize is bigger if they can break it, right? And so just go in and say, nope, not today. One of the biggest ways to break this is through honest laughter. Yeah, they're laughter is the best medicine. It really is. And there's that phrase means something. And so this, when we can get to this place where we're having this big belly laugh or whatever, it breaks the spells, so to speak. And they disconnect because it's a high frequency with sound also. Right. And yeah, yeah, breaks it. Yeah, anytime I kind of tap into doing clearing or something lately where I've been hearing is bells frequency sound like they can't stress enough, the importance of creating a frequency that combats or just washes away whatever that lower frequency is.

34:12So if you're trying to do a clearing and you have access to some sort of tuning forks or sound bowls or even like a rifle machine or something that can cancel out those other frequencies, absolutely, I would recommend that. And you don't need to spend a lot of money, even if you have one or two items, it really helps. But also look around your house. Is there something, when you look in your house, is it cluttered? Is it messy? Because if it is, you've got stagnant energy, heavy energy, right? Clean it up that phrase, cleanliness is next to godliness, does mean something. If you've got something in your house, when you look at it, it does not bring you joy. You don't need it. Except for the bills, pay the bills, don't you know? You know what I was saying? Yeah. But in all seriousness, know that just you can get rid of it. Right. We don't take our stuff with us when we die in these bodies. So it's not that valuable. So if you've got these things like this in your home or you've got something that you feel is dark, get rid of it. Don't donate it.

35:13You don't want to, if it is contaminated and if it has a negative entity attached to it or a heavy energy attached to it and you give it to goodwill or something, you're comically responsible for that. Right. So just start away. Yeah. Recently, it was something that I didn't want to get rid of. It was a pricey object and it had been bothering me for some time. I didn't want to get rid of it because of how much it costs and whatever. Part of the trap, right? Yeah. And finally, I just came to the conclusion every time I thought about what is the disturbance, what is the distortion? I would see that object. And I just had to say, I'm done. I'm thrown it away and I had changed everything. We felt the difference. It shifted the whole place. Yeah. So that's real. And unfortunately, we have to get rid of stuff sometimes and we can't hold on to the past anyway. We can't take that stuff with us. So understand everything's energy and it served as purpose and it's time to go. And go back to the soul tracking thing. Something I want to bring up is we were talking about this last night at dinner, the ritual

36:14sacrifices that the Illuminati does and whoever else, the secret societies, the whole purpose of that is a form of soul trap for their own kind. Like they don't let the souls of these celebrities or even the royal family, whoever it is. They don't let that soul go. These are pre-arranged ritual deaths. They actually, the parents sometimes sign a contract. Your son is going to die in 19 and helicopter crash or whatever the case is. That's a ritual death and there is quite literally a ritual or ceremony that takes place on that day to make sure that they keep, they trap that soul and then they steer into the facility bussable and you have avatar or house it until they need it for something else. And that is something I don't think most people understand when we see these celebrity deaths, these are ritual deaths and that's intentional or if they even die at all and that's a whole other thing. That's a whole other thing. You know, I did have in San Diego, I met them all, my girls are teenagers and I'm in

37:16my little mid-band kind of a car, a CB car and Rob Williams had just died. And I had a friend who was friends with him and the next thing I know, he showed up in my van, terrified they were going to get him again. Wow. I don't know how he escaped them and he gave, he literally said, I could make the whole world laugh but I could never laugh. I was not allowed to laugh. The laughter I produced was mechanical in nature. I didn't understand it at the time but he was really saying because it was 15 years ago, I don't know. Right. Crossed him over. So I'm hoping he got out of that loop in its entirety. Yeah. Well, I think he meant that he was basically, I maybe didn't even mean to do or understand what he was signing up for. We need to sign the contract. Right. Took a note, sold a soul, whatever the case is that you don't really understand whatever you knew to that field like acting, right? I think that mechanical laughter is probably him like, he wasn't actually laughing.

38:18Like he on your stern could not laugh. He was traumatized. Yeah. He knew he knew too much. He was trapped. Yeah. He just showed up in my car. Yeah. And crossed him over quickly. He was in a hurry to go by the way. Oh, yeah. Which, and this was, this was before we really knew these things too. So it, I get it now in hindsight, I'm learning so much more than I did back then. Right. Even by looking at these cases and stuff, I mean, I've done thousands and thousands of these. I don't even know how many at this point. Everyone has a purpose. It has an intention and it's to make the place a better planet. Right. And they say depressed people, you can tell the depressed person because sometimes they look the happiest because they're putting on this show, right? And you got to have a facade. Right. Yeah. And it's usually the, the ones that look the happiest probably have the darkest thoughts or depression or whatever it is. And now that's, those are demons as well, right? Like he said earlier. So I don't know where else I was going to go with that.

39:22They're all, you know, they're all connected. Everything is in our connection. We're back to global politics. Sure. We're doing a huge cleanup and it may seem scary to people, but we have to understand. We didn't get there overnight. Right. And we have to be patient. Everybody's really upset. Oh, this person is not a resty at that person, this person. And you know, what about this? What about that? There's a methodology to all of this. And if we were to clean up everything in the one-feld swoop, we still wouldn't clean up everything. And we have to be patient. We all have different passions. We want this right now for because this is what I believe to be true, but you believe something else. But so we have to be patient. This is a process that took many millennia to get here. It's going to, the unwinding is complicated. It's not easy. Yeah. It's a web of lies. It's all interwoven. It is. It's just those northern operations. We don't even have an infrastructure in place to accept the new world. Right.

40:22The new technologies, all the stuff that we want, it has to happen. There has to be a process. It has to make sense to people too. If you just did all now and just people out there that aren't paying attention, they're not going to know what's happening. It has to affect us at a DNA level. And it's a generational thing. And the kids coming in now, they're going to be the next wave to help bring this whole new wave of light. Right. Every generation is supposed to be doing this. In the beginning, it was like their grandparents, et cetera, were like these prototypes. Right. And to get us here, and I think that the light side is kind of perfecting this craft. And you know, and I get frustrated with the light side. It's like, how could you let this happen? Right. I mean, how many more planets have been destroyed over and over and over? Right. It's like, come on, get a clue. Right. It's just like just unbalanced attacks is at least the morale of the planet will go on. Exactly. Which we're on our way there too. We really are. And we're looking at these elements.

41:24And we're seeing in the human bodies the right in the left and how we operate, right? We're seeing temper tantrums. We're seeing Antifa and just rising and making noise. In fact, I was listening to a friend of mine, a friend who's an influencer up in the Pacific Northwest who keeps calling the stuff out. They have decibel readers. Those paid performers in these ice protests. They have decibel readers because the louder they are, the more they get paid. Wow. That's not shocking. I mean, very creative, right? Yeah. And so we have to understand that this noise is not authentic. Well, you can tell by the fact the lack of protests for the human trafficking and your child's sex trafficking from the Epstein files, right? There was no organized protest for that. And there's people getting together, doing it now, which is great. In fact, there is a grassroots movement there, but that's what a real movement looks

42:29like. It's not on the news on every channel. It's not these in all the sanctuary cities. It's just not. It was very clear that those protests were bought and paid for by George Soros or whoever. How could you get matching signs across the country for a grassroots organization for the no kings movement or whatever it was? Yeah. How does that happen if it's grassroots? Exactly. And the fact that we didn't see that with the Epstein stuff is they're not going to protest their own crimes against humanity. I mean, can you please, they're not. We're going to protest the people, those poor people who came into the country illegally because we still need them, right? Right. Yeah. I mean, that was all intentional way in the hall and that was a whole interesting thing. And a lot, you know, what's interesting about that too, Kerry Cassidy talks about this a lot is she has insiders that explain a lot of these immigrants and people that came and were either grays connected to the grays. There seemed to be an alien agenda behind. Oh, yeah. And did you see anything like absolutely.

43:30So the grays are, I'm going to call them power brokers. So the grays, first of all, they can replicate their consciousness up to seven times. And so they can be in this body and in this body and in this body and they, it's a credit debit system. So the grays are, you can think of as more capitalistic in nature, right? Creditson, debuts and, you know, exchanges and stuff. They lower level ones have no consciousness. They're almost like robots, but they're not. The bigger ones, the tall white grays have a consciousness and they're like the master puppeteers. And they will have their own ships, even I've seen these ships that actually been on the ship once and I took them out and it almost killed me. I remember being in the ship. I remember removing the replicator because what they have is replication technology. You remove the replicator, they can't replicate their armies so fast. And then you remove the queen.

44:31They're very high of mind mentality. So we've got high mind mentality. You get the information you send it up the food chain. Collective consciousness mentality is in collecting this information and we're all sharing it. Much like this podcast would be an example of collective consciousness mentality. We're sharing information. The aliens, the extraterrestrials, the benevolent ones are more collective consciousness. The nefarious ones are more high of mind, think of the Borg and the Star Trek. Precisely, yeah. And so the grays are absolutely a part of this orchestration going on. Removing the grays off the Earth plane, they can't reproduce themselves anymore. They have to have high birds. They have to utilize our DNA. Removing them off the Earth plane is one of the best things we could do. The question becomes is how do you do it, right, and still survive? And it's tricky, it's not easy. The best thing that the average person can do is don't engage. If you feel like they're there, you're going to bring in your angels.

45:32You're going to bring in your spiritual team and don't engage. Have your guides remove them. Yeah. Yeah, it's all a trap. Engaging is taking the bait. And the same thing goes with an online troll. If you engage with that comment, you're already stooped down to their frequency. And you're in this argument, debate with a stranger that is literally distracted you and sucked you off course with a whole bit. That's a trap. You've taken the bait just by responding to it. And that applies everywhere. So it's a great advice just to not engage. Obviously, there's times whenever you have to engage. Sometimes we have to fight. Yeah. Sometimes we have to fight. You know, and when we look at the alien agenda, the nevarious side that been everlite side, we have to think about politics. And this is where we get to make a difference. And politics exists in every dimension. I hate to break it to everybody out there.

46:34But when we die, there are still politics out there. Right. I agree. I agree actually. And when you are voting for something, you need to look beyond the surface. So for example, your local city or whatever it is. You need to do your homework. So right now, and I think it's in the state of Oregon, there's this bill to pass, you know, no killing of any animal whatsoever, including mice, I mean, everything. No more cattle ranches, no more anything. But what they're doing is they're saying, oh, would you sign this petition? It's to make sure that puppies and kittens aren't harmed. Right. Right. There's a deeper message in there. So who wants puppies and kittens to be harmed? Anybody? Who likes their steak, medium rare or whatever it is, right? Right. And so, you know, who really wants a rodent infestation in their house if you can't bite mouse traps or mouse poison or whatever? So there's always a hidden agenda in these things. Start digging.

47:34It may take you a little time, but it's important to dig and say, you know what, no. Of course, I don't want any harm to come to kittens and bunnies or whatever. And I'm not for any type of inhumane, you know, referalties, but we got to be logical too. You got to read between the lines on those dumb voter pamphlet statements, basically. Yeah, I agree. I mean, that's a whole other episode in itself. And it's, but it's politics is what the dark side is trying to do to us. Yeah. It's a division. Everything is, I mean, this, this is disclosure 101. What are they doing? Dividing content. Like that's what you know, it's yeah. And everything out there, including, it doesn't I way go right now. Everything is splitting, is splitting. I don't know. It is. Any unity in the community that we once had is there's been so much division based on everything that's happening on the world stage with the president with everything, not just him, but any issue out there. It's great thing. And even within these spiritual communities where we're supposed to be love and kumbaya,

48:37we've got people with ego coming in trying to splinter groups. Right. And sometimes it's intentional, sometimes it's unintentional, you know, you have somebody with unhealed wounds that come in, don't realize you're doing it, then the next person might be an actual government plan. Right. Exactly. It goes both ways. The best thing we can do in these situations, we need to remove, okay, let me back up. Being human means that we need to learn to master our emotions. Right. And we can learn to master our emotions, we get free will, we get soul sovereignty. It's not that I'm sweeping my emotions under the rug and I'm not going to deal with them. I'm still going to deal with them, but if I can learn how to master my emotions and create an outlet when it's appropriate, we get free will soul sovereignty. We also get wisdom and discernment. We don't have these knee jerk reactions to certain situations, let's say, you know, especially because I'm watching it.

49:37I literally, I sort of got sitting at night eating popcorn watching the shit shows, right? Right. I was like, no, don't do that. Do that. But master your emotions and then things don't bother you so deeply. You can walk away. You can also discern, is that person really mean it this way? Are they having a bad day? That kind of stuff. Yeah. Absolutely. 100%. I just did a video recently about that. They rely on our knee jerk reaction. Yes, they did. They rely on the fact that they know most people don't have emotional intelligence because we're not really taught that growing up. That's something that you have to come to on your own through a spiritual awakening. And everyone's there. Even people that are on this spiritual journey, we're not all perfect. That was still learning. We all get triggered and that's a lesson for us. There is no learning and perfection. So everybody that says they're perfect and living a perfect life, I'm going to show you a liar, right? Absolutely. I see some of those people, the people that they think they've reached the end and figured

50:40it out. And then now you have to catch up and like, oh, I hope that one day you find the happiness that I found. It's like, no, even normally. No. When we think about all things spiritual, spirituality should never be a contest because one spirituality is a contest. It's not very spiritually benevolent anymore. Not at all. And that's, yeah. Yeah. And the dark knows that. And just to bring it back to the subject pattern here, they know that and they exploit that. And they take advantage of it. And that's how they get in. And sometimes we know we've known people for years. And suddenly, you know, you're on this spiritual journey, but you see them kind of on that hamster wheel. Next thing you know, they're not themselves anymore. And they'll turn on you or they'll betray you. And because it's no longer them in the driver's seat. It hurts, right? It really hurts. I remember a couple of years ago, I'm literally going through a divorce and I have a business partner. And she totally turned on me during the divorce, the last person on the earth that I would

51:41think that would do this to me, right? And it was heartbreaking, but I learned a lot. Yeah. Nobody's above that spiritual guys, basically. Right. Absolutely. And when you're not actively doing stuff every day to make sure, like, practice good energy and other hygiene and stuff, that's when these things take over. And they can put those thoughts and negative thoughts in your head and you turn on your best friend. And what happens is you start pushing away everyone in your life that loves you. They could actually help you audit that question because that demon knows what it's doing. Absolutely. They know more than we know. Yeah, it pushes away all the help. And then they isolate you. They cut you off from your circle. And then they just harvest your life force. And I see, I know people in my life that looked like they've aged 30 years and three years. And unfortunately, that's the state. And they put thoughts and false memories into their head and they're not. They're not their own thoughts, you know, and a lot of times you're not even true. And when we can remember that from that perspective, it takes the pain away.

52:47Yeah. And it takes the emotion away and it's like, okay, I just have to back off. Yeah. There's nothing wrong with that. Yeah. And then a lot of times they don't know what they're doing. They don't even know what they're doing. No. You know, overridden, essentially. Yeah. And that's what that's the kind of to bring at home here. That's the whole purpose of what you do, right? Because we don't want to see people get to that place. But unfortunately, we're seeing a lot of that right now. And this is why you have to do the shadow work. Otherwise, you could end up like you could end up being taken over and overrun. And we, you know, I don't want that for anybody. Not even for that ex business partner or it says whatever. I want them to have the best I want. We all have to earn it and work for it. But if we're feel like, if we feel like we're set or sort of slipping backwards in certain elements or all of a sudden, I have always unexplained dramas around me. There's something else going on. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And that is all the telltale sign. Okay. I need to step back and take a closer look at what's going on here. What am I doing?

53:48It's allowing this to happen. Most people aren't reflecting like that. It takes hyper-self awareness to really navigate these times. And once you do it, you can question everything. And pull yourself out of it before you get sucked into it. Absolutely question. Yeah. Even if you're going to hire a spiritual practitioner, feel free to ask them a question before you pay them a dime or you have a session with them. How do you clear yourself between clients or how do you do this or that? Whatever your question is asked beforehand. If you don't like the answer, run. Right. Right. Seriously, run. Sometimes run fast. Right. Exactly. So let's finish this up with a, I want to hear a good, lower-avant, high-end story. Did you come, have you ever come face to face with a gray, a reptilian, something in your physical, waking, reality? Yeah. Yeah. I'm just curious like that. All right. And this is not going to work. You certainly run into this type of stuff.

54:48And it's not just in the astral realm. No, it's not. I have seen people shape shift in front of me. But the scariest thing that ever had happened to me, which I don't think I've ever shared live, it was a number of years ago, I was sleeping and then I sleep paralysis. And I am now inside this church type of place. And it's really big doors and big altar, big everything and these big, beings and these robes and, you know, and all the people and the pews are in robes too, but these people are human-sized like me and I'm in the middle of it. And I look up at the altar and this is at the beginning of what, I'm still like a teacher, I'm still doing these things, right? But these paranormal things are coming in like crazy and they're not good. Literally Hollywood, it was like a wharf like in our house for years. And so I'm in this altar area and then they bring up this goat and they put this goat and they tie it down on top of the altar and this is so real to this day.

55:52And we're all given these crystal ones and they're teaching us how to harm these animals. There's goats, there's bunnies, there's all kind of animals up there, deer. And they're going up in groups of three and you know, triads are interesting and they're all being shown how to do this. If you don't do this, they kill you on the spot. And as I'm going through, it's like, oh my god, I can't do this, I can't do this, I can't do this. Working my way backwards and I see this tiny crack in this huge door and this was like an off-world metal door like 20 feet tall and I slipped out and then minute I didn't and I wake up and I sit up in my heart's beating and I'm like, where am I? All this stuff. And then I don't sleep at all. And then on my nightstand, I happen to have this like six or seven inch crystal smoky quartz crystal wand that was just on my nightstand. Half of it's missing. Really? Just disappeared.

56:52Half of it. Half of it. It was like somebody broke it and took a hat. You can't, you felt crystal wand, they're hard. Right. Yeah. And the floor was carpeted. I moved every piece of furniture. I've never found it, but that crystal wand took a hit for me. Wow. I have that crystal wand. If I had it here, I would show it to you. But it's at home, but that thing saved my life. Wow. That was my scariest moment. But yes, I have seen chick shifters. I have seen, you know, all kinds of things happen. You know, people morphing into something that is their true being. That was not as scary as that moment in time for me. Interesting. Because I had to make a choice. If I would have complied out of fear, they would have owned my soul. That was my, one of my defining moments of like, nope, not today. Yeah. Yeah, I've heard a number of stories similar to that where it's like this, you're at this crossroads like where it's one wrong decision that they got you.

57:53Yeah. For good, you know, maybe not for good, but it's really long time. I think if I would have complied, my life would be very different. And I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing. And I think I would have ended up being some type of black magician without knowing it. Right. Right. Yeah. And that's how they do and they show up in the guys of the trick strategy of the false light, which is please beware. Now everyone out there preaching love and light is of love and light. And especially I, somebody I know I didn't experience with this girl. She is a famous YouTube channel where she does these meditations and these healings and stuff. And in fact, what she, maybe she does know that she's doing it. But what she, when you consent and press play and you open yourself up to that meditation or that activity, yes, ever. It was actually consent for it was opening the door for something dark to come in and take from you instead of heal you. But it's sold to you as a healing. It's in this is tricky, right?

58:54Because we subconsciously, unconsciously give permission. Right. I am not a fan of these binoral beats and meditations on YouTube in general for that reason. Right. Yeah. There's other things that we can do. Dr. Masurui Moto messages in water. I'm going to kind of go off a little tangent before we end here. Showed us that frequencies change water shape crystals, right? What he learned and the music that he would play was that Mozart music created the most symmetry, the most golden light. So go back to basics. If that worked for Masurui Moto, it's going to work for me. Maybe I just play Mozart music in my house. Correct. Yeah, it's a great point actually. Yeah. And not to take away from like there are good stuff out there, but you really got to make sure you know what you're doing. But yeah, don't just scroll across a random video. And so I'm going to try this meditation like no to person, you know, if you can. But now that's a great point about the classic music. I absolutely agree with that. It combats mind control, you know, Gregorian chance.

59:57A lot of the stuff it can, it can just cast the demons out of here. Like they can't be the badgeo frequency. We have a lot of tools that are disposal. We just have to know about them. Right. And that and they know that that's why they got rid of the bells. And that's why we're not talking about the stuff because it is really like it's a warfare or a soul in our mind that it's frequency warfare. It's done through frequency. All of it. Everything's I do. Everything's frequency vibrating at different rates. You know, so yeah, that's a nut. Show sound. Yeah, sounds like these are amazing. Yeah. Yeah, they do a lot. And they echo out for improprietuity too. It's not that they just stop. This is look at us like a utero pebble in a water. And the ripples go out over and over and over. It's the same concept was sound. Right. Precisely. Yeah. So let our audience know where they can find you. Thank you. Yeah. And there's all the stuff you have. Laura vantine.com V.A.N. T. Y.N.E. On my website, I have every week I write a blog and they're designed to be helpful.

1:00:59I offer services. I offer a lot of different elements because we need to make the world a better place. Period. So thank you. Thank you for having me. I know it's been fun to see you guys too. First of all, yeah. Versus the zoom stuff and yeah. Yeah, thank you for being here. And are you offering sessions at this time? Yeah. I do offer sessions, spiritual consultations, which could be anything that somebody's seeking. Um, entity removals. I do regressions and that type of stuff. So those are pretty much big buckets and clearing land and homes and stuff because sometimes it's the energy of the land that is contaminated that we need it. So we work together as a team. You may think something is needed, but maybe we find something else that supersedes everything and cleans it all up. So the idea is that I don't want people to have to keep relying on psychic mediums over and over and over. It gets expensive. And it takes away your personal power. So I do it in a way where we get to keep your power and move forward.

1:02:01So thank you. Yeah. Of course. And you reminded me of something I'm going to share a quick story. I was in St. Louis. I grew up there, born raised. And I had been trying to move for a couple of years. I put my house up in the market for sale by owner for a while and it wasn't selling. It was like, it was like, St. Louis was just trying to pull me back. You know, because I knew my soul. It's like the next step for my soul is evolution. Required me to move for me. Okay. They kept trying to pull me back in. And I was like, God, like what? What? Something's off. I could feel it. Something is stopping the sales. We go, it's just not letting me sell my house. I had somebody come over and clear the land. And we, it was late at night and she went around with certain spots that she was clearing. But one spot in my backyard, it was dark. And it was this thing that had set up shop there. And it was basically casted in that over my whole house. And she started doing whatever it was that she did.

1:03:02And this thing, it was physical. I saw it physically. It was like hiding in this bush and it freaked this black entity. It couldn't stay, like screamed and flew out of this bush. And when it did, I watched this dark cloudless entity fly up and just like fly away. As it did, it scared like the birds away. Like it was enough toward the birds flow away and could see. They know it. Yeah. And I watched this thing get cast away from my land. And then very shortly after that, my household and everything changed. It makes a difference. Yeah. But you have to consider that type of stuff. Because it was saying Lewis had become my hamster wheels a trap. I had become stagnant there. And I was just going through the motions in life. I wasn't growing anymore. It was time to move. And the darkness, they did. They wanted to hold you there, right? To stop you. Having for a bid that you move and grow and do the next level of what you need to do.

1:04:05That's their job. But how many homes have someone like that keeping them in that trap? I have real estate agents that I'm on speed out for. Seriously, homes that don't sell or go in and out of escrow often, there's something else happening. You clear the home and every time I do this, I swear that the home sells within a week. With a really fast escrow, it's kind of crazy. I've worked on developments, entire developments where the land is having issues. The contractors are, the construction guys are getting harmed and they're falling off a ladder or this is breaking or that's breaking. It's real. Yeah. 100%. Yeah. Yeah, just another thing to consider that we don't consider because we're not taught. So yeah, this has been fascinating. Thank you so much for joining me. Thanks for having me. Yeah, of course. And thank you guys all for being here. I forgot to mention it earlier, but if you want to join us in Hawaii, you own a big island that's still a few spots left and you can't make it in person.

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