
#353 Chris Whalen: The Economic Damage Will Become Impossible to Ignore
About this episode
In this episode of The Wrap, Chris Whalen says stagflation is now the base case — the Iran war has already cost American investors trillions in reduced investment value, Treasury auctions are weak, and mortgage rates are heading toward 7% if the 10-year hits 5%. Despite all of this, he still calls for a Fed cut in April, arguing the inflation is caused by war not monetary policy, and the Fed's real mandate is employment. He says we're heading toward a medium to long-term reset in risk premia, equities are out and debt is in, and that a recession by 2028 — "misery on the eights" — is becoming a near certainty. He's adding to gold and silver on the dip and if Annaly goes down he's buying more.
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Timestamps:
0:00 - Intro and welcome Chris
0:47 - The Iran war and long-term damage to the global economy
2:18 - Are we headed toward more inflation?
2:41 - The term structure of interest rates is blowing out — here's why
4:02 - Making the case for a Fed cut despite $100 oil
4:26 - Stagflation is ahead
5:30 - The Fed's real mandate is employment — that's what forces the cut
6:40 - Whalen calls for a rate cut in April
7:51 - What difference would a cut actually make?
8:19 - Bonds are behaving like equities
9:08 - The $5.12 trillion cost of the Iran war to American investors
11:11 - Where Whalen is putting his own money right now
13:03 - Why the market has stayed resilient despite all the headlines
13:53 - Private credit - Is Apollo facing a Lehman moment?
18:53 - Weak Treasury auctions — what that means for mortgage rates
20:06 - People don't want to understand what the war is doing to the economy
21:03 - This year is the opposite of last year — no easy trades
21:58 - Bob Elliott's world where long rates are closer to 4% than 2% — is that the new normal?
23:11 - If the 10-year hits 5% has the bond market lost trust in the Fed?
24:16 - Gold at $4,500 today — volatile but Whalen is staying long
25:26 - Viewer question: crypto-backed mortgages with Fannie and Freddie?
27:20 - Is recession now a near certainty?
28:07 - Viewer Mail: What are the downside risks to Annaly?
30:00 - Viewer Mail: Should you invest in Canadian banks?
31:49 - What Whalen is watching next week
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