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0:00Welcome in to the Bobby Carpenter Show and we've got ourselves a huge show for you today. A lot of things going on in sport and it's the week and I know you're since you are in the midst of training camp. Does it feel like a weekend to you because it never did to me when I was in the midst of practicing? Not really. I mean of course we got Sundays off so that's nice but you kind of lose track of what day it is once you get in the middle of camp. There you go. So you got yourself, you're in the middle of that today and what else is going on in the middle of this. So I mean this is in a political thing, people are going to come down on it with however they want. Oh my gosh I want to have my phone in here. You know they're going to make whatever decisions they want to make and all these different

1:03things but the reality is they're trying to get something done with the world of college athletic, it's in the world of college football steal and so they're working through this trying to figure out exactly what to do and President Trump has gotten involved and they have, I just leave the page now, the White House sports attendees meeting, they had it all pulled up and then it disappeared on me. They're hosting the college football round table to try to save college football, whatever that means. Not even college football, college athletics and so it's going on today, I don't know what time I think it started right now but they're trying to get all this thing fixed and so they've got a bunch of different people that are there from I believe like Charlie Baker, there's some different Nick Sabin, Adam Silver I guess he's going to be there, Charlie Baker,

2:08Tony Petiti, Greg Sankey, some other commissioners, you got Tiger Woods, you got Texas Tech, their huge booster, Cody Campbell, former Secretary of State, Condoleezza Rice, we're just going to be there, former head coach, Mack Brown, Charlie Ward, like lots of different people. We'll keep rolling through this as we talk to me as PN and Fox executives and everybody's in this room trying to figure out exactly what to do. Now I'm not exactly sure what the answer is, as far as what they should do, I know it's a complicated one, it's a very complex answer as you start looking to this and trying to figure out exactly the path that's on there. The one thing is they've got people still from all over the place, you've got TV execs, you've got commissioners, you've got former coaches, you've got people that just like sports that remembers the media, you've got the former Secretary of State and Condoleezza Rice who is a big sports fan and she was on the college football playoff selection committee at one point. So you've got a lot of these people, big group, fairly diverse group and thought, geography,

3:14where they're trying to come, you know, what they're trying to do, all the different problems they have to be solved. What degree of confidence do you have that anything positive is going to come out of this, or something I guess on a path that could end up being a ultimate solution? There's how many people it sounds like they're bringing in, and I'm a little scared that they might not come to a conclusion. I don't know if maybe a smaller group would be better, but they're bringing Adam's up. There isn't even the NBA commissioner, and then Tiger Woods, they're bringing all these different people in. I'm scared there's going to be like too many different views and just contradicting thoughts and that nothing's really going to get done. I hope something does, it seems like they're keeping it very vague as to what they're actually trying to change. I think they know the changes need to happen, but nobody knows exactly how to go about enacting them. Yeah, I think that's about right, because they would tell us if they had a certain idea like what rules to change, like what exactly they'd be talking about, but it's not black

4:20and white. It seems like it's a bunch of gray area, they're kind of working in right now, so I'm curious what comes out of it. I just want to hear what exactly they talk about. Some other people that will be attendance, and Indiana Athlete Director Scott Dolson, Clemson President, Jim Clements, Nebraska President, Jeff Gold, Tennessee President, Don De Plowman, Utah President, Taylor Randall, Georgia President, Jury Moorehead. So you've got some presidents, you've got the CEO of the USA Olympic Committee, Sarah Hirschland, you've got former coaches, you've got Charlie Ward in there, former player, Pete Bavakwa, who is the Notre Dame's AD, you've got people from the Big Ten, you've got Cody Campbell, who played at Texas Tech, and is now their huge booster witness. So it's a pretty different type of Tiger Woods is there, and I mean, people forget, like he did play golf at Stanford, like he was a college athlete at one point in time.

5:22And everybody just looks at this from the prison of football, there's also men's basketball involved. And there's also Olympic sports, you know, all the sports can play, I mean, Texas Tech, they paid, oh gosh, I can't think of where she came from, maybe Stanford, oh gosh, what was her name, their picture, they paid her like a million bucks to come in, and you know what happened, they got to the finals in softball this year. So like you can, it's not just reserved for football, whatever sports you want to get into, you can do it, but just the sustainability of this, I think everybody acknowledges that the current model isn't sustainable, like it's going to start hollowing out Athlete Departments, people are going to get sick of giving money to help pay for all of this. The Olympic sports are going to get, start to get cut and start to get hurt, which that's why I think it's important, you look at who is there, so I think it's important that Sarah Herschelon is there who's the CEO of the USA Olympic Committee, because you start talking about some of the Olympic sports, the United States still has great Olympic sports because of the collegiate programs that help promote them on the men's and women's side.

6:25We have great female sports, women's sports and the Olympics, and our women do really well because of the investment that has been made over the course of the last 50 years. And we're trying to balance now this free market situation with trying to also provide opportunities for people, and I think you can do it. They're talking about potentially getting it wave in the anti-trust exemption, so they can collectively pull the rights, and we haven't even gotten into the white paper stuff yet that wants to Congress and what they're trying to do, and who might be for that, who might be against it, so there's a lot of moving pieces and moving parts. But there's a belief that if you pull the rights together, then everybody will be able to make more. And obviously, it's probably not going to be even because the bigger schools are going to want their bigger share of the pie, but I think if you collectively bargain, you'll be able to get more with everybody coming to the table as a group.

7:26So maybe that's one of the things that they're working for, and trying to see, like, is it worth pursuing an anti-trust exemption? How do we put some guardrails around NIL? And make sure that we can take care of players, but also in a responsible manner, and then maybe like, you can't transfer every year, and so there's going to be some freedom, but not limitless freedom. But in doing that, you're going to need some players involved, and so Cody Campbell played the Texas Tech. Charlie Ward was a Heisman trophy winner and played it for the state. I mean, he'll be one of the Heisman trophy steel before you're even alive. So I mean, I don't know if you know him, and then he played in the NBA, ironically, for 10 years, he never been played football, NFL, and the NFL. But there's no players at this meeting. Does that concern you? Does that raise eyebrows with you? The fact that there are no players that are ultimately there? Well, first of all, I was completely off-kilter with this. In my tunnel vision, I thought this was just college football in general. So, now I know it's like all of college sports. I will say there should be a few players that are probably in school right now just because

8:29of how much the game has changed, and I get, like, they've got former players from like 10 years ago, however long it is, but any guys that have experienced NIL, and at least like have the common knowledge to kind of talk about the situation that they've been put in as a player, and I think that could definitely help a lot of these, like, higher up exact type of personalities that they have there. Now, of course, like you said, there needs to be some rules put in place. So I am glad that they're just getting everyone together in one single place, so they can at least get on the same page. Even if it's not the completely right answer, at least everyone has a solid idea of, like, what we need to do as an entire NCAA group to make, I guess, sports better. I don't think they're going to come to a conclusion, like you said today, still, but I'm hoping there are some ideas that come out of this. Yeah. I think that's the goal. And the fact that there's no players there, because here's the one thing, you know, you were doing COVID, so everything was crazy at the beginning, but we always had, you know, the 20-hour rule, the 20-hour limitation, and they still have the 20-hour rule.

9:33And I'm like, if you're getting paid now, the 20-hour rule is to protect, like, academics and everything, but I'm like, these guys, they're getting paid now. Like, that's one thing, I mean, as a player, guys may push back, I think everybody invests more time than 20 hours anyway, but like, that's one thing, still, that it's an antiquated, an antiquated rule at this point, you know, like, why don't we still worry about 20 hours? I know you have school, just make sure you guys can go to class and make sure their grades are okay. But if you're getting paid half a million dollars to play a sport, like 20 hours, I mean, it's nothing. That's a heck of a dollar per hour return. So you just say, first of all, that 20-hour rule, that, that does not truly exist. We're in there for 30 hours a week, like, everyone knows that. They just say you can only be in there for 20 hours. 30. And then what? I asked them one time, I go, how much I go, I started saying, because like, you stayed the night at the hotel, and if you have a night game, I'm like, we wake up, we eat, you know, we're up at 7.38 o'clock for a night game.

10:33You have meetings, you have your walk-throughs, you have the game. By the time you get out of there, I go, minimum, that's a 12-hour day. Almost all games, even like, outside of a noon game, when you're up, it probably, like, six, and you're done by 3.34, that's maybe a little less, but even the 3.30 games, like, you're not done there until 7.38, and you're still getting up at 7.00 o'clock. And they said they only count, like, yeah, we only have to count the actual game time on the field. I'm like, so the meetings, the fact you have me trapped in this hotel, the fact I can't go anywhere and do anything, like, that didn't count against it. So like you said, it's not 30, during season and things, it's more like, it's probably 40 to 50. Yeah. And if they want to manipulate the hours, they can just say something's optional whenever it's not really optional, and then that does account towards the 20 hours. So that's how they manipulate the 20 hours thing. But yeah, I mean, I'm not exactly sure. I think it is, I think getting ideas out there, that's certainly a step in the right direction. Like we both said, nothing's probably going to get done, especially with this just big group of people, and this meeting kind of coming out of the blue.

11:35But at the step in the right direction, ideas, that's going to generate something at some point in the future. And ultimately, maybe they can culminate some ideas together, kind of just mix and match and something positive could come out of it. I'm hoping so. There's a lot of people there. People have been critical of it, and I know everybody wants to have Congress get something done. I'm like, the easiest way is to private some sort of executive action, getting anything through Congress is going to be brutal. You have to figure out, is it defensive on court? What are you going, and also, if you're going to limit the players, and this is one thing that they'll probably be discussing? How do we make this look a little bit, because it's professional right now, if you were getting paid? How do we give it some level of professional structure, while still maintaining the student part of it? I think that's the thing they're trying to window. They don't want to call them directly employees, but to have any type of bargaining or change anything, you're going to have to have some degree of titling those players as such.

12:37And how do you window that, I think, will be the topic of conversation, because none of the presidents want it in ADs, they don't want to get in this, because I didn't think that you have workers comp, you have all these different things, and every state is going to be different. Then it becomes heavy NFL, is there just some sort of, I don't want to call it a union, but some sort of group that you label the players off, like a working group that they negotiate with. You can give and take, and then it will appear to be a little more collectively bargained. Those are the things that I'm hoping that they have some issues, and they help to kind of at least point everything in the right direction, so you can start working on that. Yeah, I think the whole group idea, where they find sort of that hybrid between an actual government employee and then being a student athlete, that's kind of the sweet spot they're probably trying to aim for, because you don't want to go to either end of the extremes. One end, they're not getting paid at all. The other end is just the NFL, these guys don't care about school whatsoever, so it's really going to be finding that sweet spot in the middle, where there could be possible

13:40comp, they're still going to class. That's going to be the hard part, because right now there is nothing that really exists in that realm, so they might just have to come up with the wrong thing at this point. Yeah, I'm with you, and that this is the thing you're trying to create, something that doesn't exist. And you have different professional models, but those are a little bit different because they're employees, and they don't think they want to fully go there, so they have all of these people that are going to be there, and listing them off. I mean, these are the hitters, I mean, Charlie Baker, who is the president of the NCAA, Adam Silver, is going to be there talking about the NCAA basketball, and how that relates Tony Petiti, Greg Sanky, the other Power 4 commissioners. They're going to all be there, Tiger Woods, y'all, is going to be their Cody Campbell, on the Lisa Rice, Urban Meyer, which I'm curious to hear Urban's thoughts on this coming out, because you have people that work in the media, and so they're going to be vocal about what they see, and what is in there.

14:41But you've got ADs from Notre Dame, Oklahoma's former AD, and Joe Castiglione, Utah, Tennessee, Georgia. There's people from kind of all over the spectrum here, and so everybody hopefully has a different opinion on how to solve this, and that's when things get done, is you get everybody in a room, now this might be too big of a group, and hopefully maybe they break in the smaller groups, or something like, hey, here's what we would like to see, here's what another group would like to see, this is another group, and that's why I think it's important to have the players there, because then you can have them, what's important to you, you're able to mash all that together, and then you can start to have some structure and guidelines moving forward. All right, we're going to take a quick break here, I want to get into a little bit of this white paper that Ross Dellinger put out with some of the things, because it's just kind of a, it's a little bit of a continuation of this, of what this looks like, and pooling the TV rights, and how the structure ultimately looks with everything.

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16:44problem, call 1-800-Gamber or 1-800-My-Reset, or the Bobby Carburen Show coming up next. Every winning place starts somewhere for you, it could be with us. At Smart Choice Bass, we bring the show room to you with no pressures and no long sale pitches, just real options that fit your home and budget. This is your opportunity to have the bathroom of your dreams. Right now you can get 1250 off your bathroom remodel with a free luxury upgrade and peace of mind with a 24 month money back guarantee, call 844, get smart or visit SmartChoiceBass.com today. Alright, here is the white paper from the arena, not the sidelines, the Ohio State Athletic Department won the college football national playoff national championship

17:45in January of 2025 and lost 37.7 million in that same fiscal year. Penn State is now the most leveraged public athletic program in the country, carrying almost 534 million in athletics related debt, Rutgers has accumulated 500 and some million in debt, an athletic law system since joining the big 10 in 2014, Louisville program that generates 1.2 billion annually and economic impact for our city and Commonwealth is running a $12.5 million deficit with reserves draw down from the 34 million to 3.4. These are not stories of mismanagement, we write not as observers, yada, yada, yada. The goal of this article was not to assign blame or really get how we got here to tell a national story with the ADs of what's going on before we address what happens in college sports. We understand what's the stake, yes, we're going to tell the national story through the lands of the single athletic department and so this is obviously through Louisville.

18:45The goal of our athletic department is simply we want to provide access and opportunity to young people to receive a degree from Louisville through participation, one of our 23 sports were tasked with ensuring the same students have a great experience while they participate in collegiate athletics without competitive success, our financial problems only continue to grow, not just for our department but for the entire community, talk about the graduation rates, athletic departments for economic engines, financial crisis, facing college athletics, how they have to bridge the shortfalls, they've relied on a $12 million institutional subsidy which basically means they're loaning money in from the university to the athletic department because I want to tell everybody this, just about every athletic department is its own separate entity at these colleges now, it's its own whole unique beast and it's separate like Ohio State, they don't get any university money, they operate independently on their own and so they had to get a subsidy and occasionally they'll get loans from the school and

19:48some of that debt that they talked about is inside the university, it's inner school debt so like yeah it's there, you're owe it basically to yourself but they just don't give free cash to the athletic department, you've got to go get it and you've got to earn it and pay it back, there's debt to it, so there's interest in everything else, it gets a real loan but they've got to talk about, so all this different stuff is they go through the paradox of NIL and revenue sharing of what they're losing on some of their other Olympic sports and the competitiveness of football and men's basketball and it necessitates the escalated spending in coaching salaries, facilities, recruitment and now direct player compensation, that's always been the case, the reality is those still now the direct player compensation has impacted that and so they're trying to figure out how when you're given those extra dollars of players now, what does that do to those Olympic sports, your sister runs

20:51track at West Point, and so I think everybody wants to have successful women's sports programs but how does that look, what does that mean, how do you get to the point where you're able to have the players who are providing the value to the university get compensated, but also maintaining these broad athletic departments that have been so good, no higher states not immune to that, they talked about their losses, now most of what was made up for that and payments still came in the next year so they were able to offset that so it wasn't a big deal, but it's like college athletics is an expensive business, I think that's what we're beginning to find out. Yeah, and it's such a hard equation that you're trying to really solve because you want to have some sort of salary cap where everyone's sort of getting a piece of the pie, but then you have programs like Ohio State in the Michigan's where at Michigan they got a good basketball program, but where the football kind of program is raining supreme and all the

21:51other sports they're not getting as much money because they're not generating as much revenue as the football team, so that's a hard situation where the football they're just taking up everything and then all your other softball, baseball, basketball, track and field, like they're just getting less money and that's just going to slowly but surely just make them worse and worse over time, so I don't know how exact you saw this equation, I think there should be some sort of cap, so teams aren't just throwing money basically at these football teams, the other programs, but I'm not really sure how to get it done, but I think this is a step in the right direction as far as just implementing some sort of salary cap. Okay, and this is what they get to in the paper, and this is what's crazy, this is what we believe must happen, congressional action, action to govern, to actually govern and hard enforceable spending cap, and that's where they're going to have a hard time as the spending cap is trying to figure that out and balance it because it's a free market and that's what everybody's pushed and pushed and pushed, but with that,

22:52with that free market, there's been no constraint and there's no free market and just by anything, now baseball has some level of that, but there's always some constraints around it, so I'm trying to wrap my head around how they're going to try to be able to do this and that's meaning they're going to have to get an anti-trust exemption, so probably you can collectively pull the rights and B, you can limit what you pay players, and that's the only way to do that is to get that anti-trust exemption from Congress, and so that's going to be interesting at Rodgers and the Chats that Nick Saban walked away from this issue already, because I don't know if anybody has a great solution, and this isn't just like Louisville, I mean you look at Ohio State, Ohio State has 36 varsity sports, and my friend Bo Bishop always says this about Ohio State, they try to be the SEC and football, and they want to be Stanford and everything else, and so all of the sports are pretty good, Ohio State invests heavily, and all the sports are pretty are pretty successful. Football is obviously the driver, so it gets the majority of all of the

23:57of all of the resources, because if it doesn't win and it doesn't produce, then nobody else is going to have any money to go around, and so trying to balance that has been really, really tough as they try to figure this all out, and that's the thing they're trying to thread, that's the solution that they're trying to dive into and seeing, what can we do here with it, and still I thought you were a smart guy, I figured you'd have an answer for this of how to kind of say hey, can you get a spending cap on there? Is that real? And our big school is going to go along with that, because right now like the bigger school still, they can keep spending, now eventually they need some, to be able to change it, but you know like Texas Tech, Ohio State, you know schools that you look at Texas, Georgia, Notre Dame schools that have big resources and big boosters and donors, like I don't think they mind that this much, now they may eventually, but at least in the immediacy of this, like it gives their team, and their school a big leg up at a big advantage.

24:58Yeah, I don't know about that, because I'm, again, I'm a big football guy, I feel like in a free market whenever you've got, especially football being your driver, and you want to spread more money out and create a salary cap, that ultimately is going to end up screwing the football team, because they're making all the money, they want to bless them their money and then spread it out. So I will probably not be on board with it, because I want football to be the driver, if they're making the money, I do think that they should be getting the money, but if they want to spread it out, then they're going to have to cut a little bit off the top, and they're going to be people there to mad about that. So, let's figure that out. It'll be, there's a lot there. The first time I've read through most of that, and taking a good hard peak at that, Roch Dallinger is able to get that and look through it and give us a little bit, some nuggets here. All right, we need some actual sports and some fun stuff with all of this, and what I want to do is, I want to take a little bit, a little bit of a dive on Will Kazmeric, and take a peak at him,

26:03and what he has been able to do, and he's not a guy that's getting a lot of buzz in the draft, and we'll start doing a full draft breakdown as we get closer to that for every player that's going to be in there. But Old Bill Kazmeric brings some things to the table that I think people really like, and people are starting to take notice. So he's not going to probably be a day one pick. He might not even be a day two pick, probably more of a day three guy, but I think he's going to be great value and have a great NFL career. We'll take a look at why that is and what he makes so special. You're coming up next, but first, parents athletes, protective matters most with export mouth guards, trusted by professional athletes, designed by NHL team Dennis, export mouth guards are scientifically tested, double absorb those high impact tests protecting both your teeth, and your brain. They feature three layers of advanced protection, including a padded use of carbon fiber that they 3D print that bad boy to your grill, which means more protection, better performance, max comfort, and clear communication so you can focus on your game, not your gear. Don't take chances with your safety. Visit exportgars.com. Slash Bobby today and say 15% on your order, export, protect what matters most.

27:06We'll go to Old Bill Kazmeric talk coming up next. Every winning place starts somewhere for you, it could be with us. At Smart Choice Bad, we bring the show room to you with no pressures and no long sale pitches. Just real options that fit your home and budget. This is your opportunity to have the bathroom of your dreams. Right now, you can get 1250 off your bathroom remodel with a free luxury upgrade and peace of mind within 24 months. Money back guarantee, call 844, get smart or visit smartchordsbath.com today. All right, Steele. Who are the tight ends that get all the love? Go about NFL. Yeah, college. Just in general. Like not specific people, but the type.

28:10Uh, dudes that can block and that go out for rounds. I like guys that can block. Well, you like guys that can block. Do people care about on their fantasy? No, they can split out wide and basically be your receiver. Yeah, they want glorified receivers playing tight end. They would do that are 6.6, probably 230 that are just like 2.35, 240 big whiteouts. They don't have a need for a guy that's like a Clydesdale horse in there that's like 6.5 to 6.6, 6.4 to 6.6, 260, 265 pounds. Good athleticism can catch, but like listen, they're going to be able to go block the base block and end. They can climb to the next level. They can pass block for you. And that's a lot of what Will Kazmeric is. And that's what he has done. He was a huge asset for Ohio State. Better receiver than people think. I can go out and catch some balls, but he is a dynamite blocker. So let's pull this up Pat and take a look at him and old film watchers broke this down. I like what this guy had to say. Yeah, he did a good job of breaking down.

29:13So it's slide that up. So people can see a little bit of what he's talking about. Let's let's let this play so we can see Will Kazmeric in action on some game film of what makes him a pretty special player. This is a projected fourth round pick. Watch this tape just against Michigan and tell me that tight end Will Kazmeric out of Ohio State should not be a third round pick at the absolute latest on this play. He's going to be inserting right up into the A gap. Now he ends up having to take the one technique after he slants to the outside, but look at the power from Kaz as he throws this right arm right into the chest of the defensive tackle and then look at the explosiveness in his hips as he just decleats this one technique. That is an insane block, unreal power from Kaz there. Now we worked some great technique on this combo block here because he's working with the left tackle. So the left tackle and him are going to work on this five technique and then Kaz is going to climb up to linebacker and you notice that Kaz just does a great job getting the hand right on the hip literally throws that five technique to the ground. And then as he climbs up the backer, he gets that hand on the outside

30:17shoulder pad. So the backer can't get any flow over the top. The running back hits right behind him and that combo block and he almost broke it, but that's a solid gain regardless right behind Wilkaz Merrick. Now in this play, he's coming in motion and he's going to be blocking Derek Moore, second round projected pick. And this is just manhandling a really good football player. I don't want to hear anything about holding. This is just pure dominance in strength and athleticism from Wilkaz Merrick right there. Now we go back to some technique here. It's a great combo block this time with the right tackle working on that five technique going up to linebacker and look at the first step from Kaz. It is a six inch step to the left closes the gap in between the hips. There's no penetration in between them. And then look, they each attack one half of the guy work more so up field in this direction. And then Kaz is able to peel off work up right to linebacker. That is a textbook combo block. Now we see another great. It's good stuff, man. Oh, you can get him get this last one. This is good.

31:18Good pad level, but look at the feet. They never stop. He keeps chopping them and then look at the result of that. He just drives them out finishes that rep beautifully. That's another great block. Now you're probably wondering about his receiving upside. He's more of a blocking tight end, but you do see the good thing from him at times because here he's able to just subtly work. I don't need to see him catch the ball at that point. I mean, he still you never played with Wilkaz. He came in I think a year after you left. Yeah. I mean, he's projected as a fourth round guy. He's an absolute monster in the run game. He's like a more athletic like offensive guard out there outside the tackle, just mall and guys and a variety of me can pass pro can go out good and play action. But he's a tempo center. That's I mean, that's one of the things that's going to challenge us Ohio State offense because they were able to get outside a lot because of him because he was able to dominate on the edge. And it's going to be tough to really replace him because he was so big, so physical. There's nobody on the roster. I don't think that quite can give you what he has. And so they're

32:22going to have to get some work in and I'm curious to see who they're going to try to do and how they're going to do it. I've got I've got to sleep before you. Okay. And he he got hurt. I think right now he has a knee or something, but Bennett Christian. Okay. He hasn't played a lot right now. He gets in a little bit like in some 12 and 13 personnel, but going against them, the dude knows how to block. I don't know if it's to that level like Wilkes Merrick those clips right there unbelievable, just ferocious, but he has the ability to go out there and he can throw some blocks at people. So I'm saying Bennett Christian. He's going to be able to step into that role. Is that because he's a Georgia guy? Maybe. Or your bias comes in now. Bennett is good. He was on the book. I cruise. Yeah, I think he's got a little shoulder injury. He's really having after this season. He is big. He is physical. And I actually I challenged him a little bit. I was like, bro, you got to be well now. Like you got to be out there grinding blasts and dudes and taking care of business. And it's not easy. It's not easy at all. But that's why I wanted to get that out there to feature guys as we talk about sunny and our veil and carnel tape, you know, and then you start

33:27talking about guys coming back against the running bags and it's Julian. Like this is a guy that you know, steel because you're a player like you, especially guys in the box that the whole offensive line's coming back for the most part. But you're losing that dude. And that dude is really important. And I think it might be the most unsung part of this team that they lost was the fact that you had him out there largely for the last two seasons. Wasn't a flashy guy didn't require the ball. Great culture guy, great locker room guy. Incredibly hard worker. And he was a tone setter on the offensive line. He was a little nasty as you can see on film. Well, that's what you got to be a titan. And then yeah, just having that guy that you could have down block and then climb up climb up to a linebacker who you could yak across. And now you've got to worry about him blocking on the other side of the ball. That's just that extra chest piece that's really hard to replicate, especially with I guess a group of some of the younger guys this year, except of course for Bennett. But yeah, it's going to be really hard to replace it. And then just the ferocity

34:30that he plays with that's something that you don't even know if you can really learn that. That's almost something that you're just giving like as soon as you come out the womb. It's being so aggressive, so angry, so tough, so physical. Checking all the boxes. You'll love to see that Wilkes American. Yeah, he might not be one of those guys out there running a four or four playing tight end, but he is a guy that I told him. But if you stay healthy and you're a good locker room dude, you get to as long as you know the offense, you will play in the NFL for a long time because people always want someone like that on their team. All right, attention backer bckr.com bckr.com premium buck eye jackets and hats. They're founded on the principles of making the best quality fame gear. They wanted to take that performance wear that everybody loves for the skiing, golfing, fishing, hunting, all that stuff. And they want to put branded up partner with your school. So there's a high state Texas. And he got Georgia. They've got a news in Oregon, news schools coming alive in Michigan, Notre Dame, handful of others that are going to be there.

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36:35you can get 1250 off your bathroom remodel with a free luxury upgrade and peace of mind within 24 months. Money back guarantee. Call 844, get smart or visit smartchoicebabs.com today. All right, welcome back into the Bobby Coburn show and our headlines, tailgate headlines brought to you by our friends over at smart choice bass. Columbus, listen up. Smart choice bass. They've officially arrived here in our city and they're kicking things off with a massive win to celebrate the new division. They partnered with me in big play to give away a complete bathroom remodel. Thigh it up to over $1,000. We're talking brand new shower tub, installed for free. No purchase necessary. Just go to smartchoicebabs.com or scan the QR code right now to enter that smartchoicebabs.com. Get it on this before the prize period ends and don't let your bathroom sit on the bench any longer. All right, I mean, I've been diving into some of these tick tockers and Brooks Austin, you want to get into the debate over Malachiotony or Jeremiah

37:39Smith. Who would you rather have? Before I throw my thoughts behind it, I want to hear Steele, what old Brooksie has to say on this because I've got some pretty strong opinions on it. Smith won and then Malachiotony too. But man, it's from a college football perspective. It's hard not to say, hey, we got to go win a game on Saturday and a college football environment. Which one of these guys you take? I might take 10. I know that sounds crazy. But dude, if I only get one, I know I can find more ways to win. If I take Jeremiah Smith, I kind of have to have a halfway decent quarterback. Stop the cap. Come on, bro. What? Malachiotony is great. He is great. He's great. I would take him right after Jeremiah's draft. So your thoughts on that, Steele, someone saying that maybe you would want Malachiotony over JJ. First of all, I love Brooks Austin.

38:41I love that, dude. I love most of his takes. But besides the quarterback part of it, where Jeremiah needs a decent quarterback, I don't agree with that. But I somewhat see where he's coming from. Because Malachiotony, he brings the whole returner aspect and special teams. He's dangerous in the jet sweeps. And he's just like a really awesome slot receiver. But if we're just being real, it's like comparing an apple to a fighter jet. Like I'm taking Jeremiah Smith 10 out of 10 times. And it's not a debate. But I somewhat see like where he's coming from as far as a dude that can impact more facets of the game. Okay. I mean, I get it. Because like you said, he's a little more of a weapon than hand him the ball in the back field. You know, he can get involved in the return game. We haven't really seen Jeremiah Smith return puns or do anything like that. We have seen him get the ball like on some jet sweeps and some reverses. They've done some stuff like that. But just the physicality of Jeremiah, like if you just get him the like you do need a more of a better quarterback. The thing is with Malachiotony, like he's not really to take the top off the defense guy. So he's an underneath dude. He's involved in the short intermediate passing

39:48passing game. I mean, but Jeremiah is your prototypical big-bodied physical receiver. And so I understand that while Malachiotony brings some elements of diversity to your offense, that is that's something that I don't know if I can get behind saying I'd rather have him over JJ. And like, yes, maybe it's because you have Julian saying he can get, you can get him the ball in like maybe some more ways. But you have Julian saying who is good. Any quarterback, I think you can throw the ball up to JJ. And he's going to make you look better. Yeah, I think he was because he was talking about like the college football aspect of it. I think he's thinking just like I guess you're running gun teams where you're throwing a bunch of bubbles to the outside, like a bunch of quick hitters. And that's where Malachiotony really thrives. Like you said, like he's not the guy that can just take the top off of the defense. You're having to completely change whatever coverage you're in to deal with number four. And that's something they haven't really had to do with Malachiotony just because he's just working so much underneath.

40:51I, it's again, it's Jeremiah Smith all day, but I do want to just protect Brooks Austin a little bit because he's trying to just throw out a crazy debate, trying to put like some thoughts out there. I somewhat respected, but it's not close. It isn't. I don't think it's close at all, but you know, it is what it is ultimately at this point. So I get it. I understand it. Still, I know you got to get back to practice. So we're going to let you go here after this break. Do you have any, any sage wisdom to give to the folks on Fridays since you're going to be gone? Goodness gracious. I don't have much. I'd say have a good time, man. I'm about to go over to what's called the stock yards for what worth Texas on my day off. And I'm going to enjoy this day off. Usually I'm still going to the gym and stuff, but I've been working the past couple weeks. I'm going to have a nice day. I'm going to go get some wings. Go get some onion rings and whatnot. I'm just, I'm just going to relax like the Buddha. Okay. There you go. The stock yards are great,

41:53man. They've got all kinds of food over there. It's fun. There's a plate with some dove. I think it's still there, which is really good. It's a little more, it's a little more of like a Texas western like white tablecloth. If you get a chance to go there, it's a little nicer, but they've got like rattlesnake and all kinds of exotic stuff. Yeah, you can try it. I mean, especially if you, you say your mom's Cajun. Yeah, she's. Yeah, so they're great. They eat that all that weird stuff. I mean, who knows what's in the, who knows what's in the gumbo, you know, whatever you can find that night. So appreciate you, sir. Have a good one. Enjoy your off day. And we'll catch up again next week. Yes, sir. Appreciate it. All right. Come up next. Fire your questions away. We're going to get talking here a little bit. There is a new bow line coach that Arthur brought in. We'll talk a little bit about him. I have not met him yet, but any other questions you have fire those away in the chat and we'll get to those in our tailgate talk here coming up next on the Bobby Carpenter Show. I'm Garage Beer and this is Bobby Carpenter. Garage Beer. Beer flavor beer.

43:03Beef with an F. Okay, my bad. It's crisp and cool and done tastes like I'm Bobby Carpenter. I drinking garages because my wife says I don't belong inside. If you like the cold breeze on your bag, drink Garage Beer. It's American and so can you. Garage Beer. Beer flavored beer. Welcome back into the program here and your tailgate talk. I was asked earlier about the new assistant of line coach from Pixie said to talk about the new line coach, Mike. I just saw Tyler Bowler walking down the hall and he's like I guess the head coach of the offensive line. But the reality is guys leave Marcus Johnson who is a monster of a man. I didn't realize he had left to go to Arkansas. So he's going to he has gone. So taking his place is Mateo Kambui,

44:07which I'm hoping I'm pronouncing that right. He came in with Arthur Smith from the Pittsburgh Steelers. So he's got some NFL experience. He's going to work under Smith his first year in Columbus as well with Tyler Bowen and assistant offensive line coach Charles Dickie who's in his second season with the buck guys. And I think that that's good. It's good for your offensive coordinator to always have somebody there that they've worked with before because that gives you, okay, I saw him in there. I didn't know who he was. Some of these guys come in and you're not always sure who they are. And what's going on? What they're doing? It's not a bad thing. It's just there's a lot of people who come to the Woody Hayes and right now they're actually doing some construction. So there's even more people in there right now that I'm trying to figure out what they're doing, what they're all about. And so Mateo coming in, he worked at the Atlanta Falcons too. So it's always great to have that NFL experience and somebody that's worked with your offensive coordinator before because

45:08what others Smith is going to want to do is help create congruency and language. And they're going to keep I'm guessing without knowing how spring both starting, but I'm guessing they're going to keep all the same offensive terminology. And so to have somebody that's going to be in that offensive line room that has worked with Arthur Smith before that can relay things to Tyler Bowen and to Dickey about how they do stuff, what they're thinking scheme wise, technique wise, and have a buffer. So that takes a little bit of onus off Arthur Smith having to sit there and try to always communicate what he means or what they're trying to do because you have someone else now that can, hey, I'm back to coaching this, explain to him what we did last year, what we've done before. This is kind of how what I was thinking we should do. And it's always a collaborative process. But you want to give those guys an opportunity. So bring in someone in who was a part of that. Now I think gives them a little bit of a leg up. It gives you some of that and you needed somebody. Obviously there was going to be in there with the departure of Marcus Johnson who was a monster,

46:12like I said, of a human being. I'm going to miss seeing him in the halls because he made me feel small. And there's an element of intimidation that he brought to the table. And it was fun to see get the tea, Bobby. I'm not sure exactly what that even means. Question hot topic. President having lots of college football talks today, your view. And we talked a little bit about it earlier, Doreen, as far as trying to find a solution in Washington. I don't know if easy solution can be found. I don't know if there's one that you can sit there and just look at and say, this is the what to do. But you have a lot of diverse experiences and minds in there with what their experience with college athletics is. Hopefully they'll be able to look at that and say, okay, there's a way that we can kind of figure this out and kind of window this and get it done. So excited about that and to get that figured out. And hopefully they come to, they're not going to have a conclusion, but hopefully they can find some sort of answer as well.

47:15All right, that's it for our tailgate talk. Coming up, we got to do the week. We wrap up the show. Next. Every winning place starts somewhere for you. It could be with us. At Smart Choice Bad, we bring the show room to you with no pressures and no long sale pitches. Just real options that fit your home and budget. This is your opportunity to have the bathroom of your dreams. Right now, you can get 1250 off your bathroom remodel with a free luxury upgrade and peace of mind within 24 months. Money back guarantee. Call 844, get smart or visit SmartChoiceBath.com today. I'm GarageBear and this is Bobby Carbender. GarageBear. Beer flavor beer. Beef with an F. Okay, my bad. It's crisp and cool and it doesn't taste like. I'm Bobby Carbender. I drinking garages because my wife says I don't belong inside. If you like the cold breeze on your bag, drink GarageBear. It's

48:20American and so can you. GarageBear. Beer flavored beer. All right, my due to the week is a hoop stewed for Ohio State and it really is going to get over the whole Ohio State basketball team. Jake Dealer doing a great job, leading them. Victor over Purdue galvanized it against Penn State. They've got one more. It's going to be Saturday night. 530 at the shot. 12 points away from time. The all time scoring record. Bruce Thornton toss him up there. He's been on a tear. He's on the cusp of it. Getting a chance to break it out home. My 12 points. It's a poultry sum for him. You should be able to get that done fairly easily. And so I'm looking forward to Saturday night watching Ohio State A beat Indiana and pretty much pumped their ticket to the NCAA tournament. If they win and get a little help, they could even get the seven seed. Get a double buy in the big 10 tournament.

49:23And then I'm curious to see what the ultimate you see in the NCAA. But then also watching Bruce Thornton etch himself in Ohio State history and lore. So it's Bruce Thornton, Baudiblehead Day 2, first couple thousand people or whatever, get a Baudiblehead. So make sure first two thousand fans get a Baudiblehead. So make sure you check this out. Get over there, get a Baudiblehead. Let's fill it up on the shot. It should be a nice day. Good over there. Have a good time. Support Jake dealer. Support this squad. And I'm excited to watch them make the tournament. There were a lot of naysayers. There were some dollars out there. New Jake would get it done. All right, stay locked in with a big show for you coming up on Monday here on the Bobby Carver Show.