#2552 - Ehsan Ahmad & Deric Poston

0:00The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day. So there's a new documentary that's coming out on Elizabeth Holmes. Rarely have I watched a trailer for a documentary and known within the first five seconds I'm gonna watch the documentary. Watch how crazy this bitch looks. I'll just watch this. I can promise you that. I don't have anything to deceive you on. Of course I'm not deceiving you. I'm engaging with you as a human being. Why would I deceive you? There's no reason for me to do that. Okay. All right. Okay, good chat.

1:11You're being real right now. You're always being real. Yssa Frankel is very short. We're becoming friends. No. She's the president of the Lindsay Clancy fan club. Yeah. I mean, she is completely out of it. Bro. Or like, you can see her, like, calculating the right moves to make in her face. I don't think she boinked. That was terrifying. That was the 4 shows he's rocking her room. after the beginning, when you relish there's a baby in there. Her eyes are so big. I know. They're so big. Like that's, you see all of the pupil. You see all of, you know, you see the whole eyeball and the white all around it? That's kind of weird.

2:11It does look like a snake almost, just like eyeing down like what will it take to eat you? Yes, exactly. Something that came out of the garden of Eden. Oh no. Good Lord. Good Lord. Derek, do you know who Elizabeth Holmes is? Who is this monster? Okay. All right. Thank you. So there was a company called Theranos. And Theranos was a completely scam company made by this woman. And she dropped out of college to create this company. There's a blood testing company. And they can test your blood by just pricking your finger. Just get a little bit of drop of blood. Instead of getting a big draw, like they have to do it. And so they set them up at all these wall greens. And it was gonna be this huge thing. And she used to wear a black turtleneck and talk like Steve Jobs. And not only that, she changed her voice. Okay, she changed her voice to sound more like a man. We'll get to that later. So anyway, this company, I mean, who knows how many people use their product? And it didn't work at all. Like literally didn't work at all.

3:12So all these people that got blood tests from it and thought, oh good, no cancer. Oh good, don't have to worry about my cholesterol. Oh good, don't have to worry about my, it's all fake. It was all fake. She was the richest self-made woman ever. She was worth like $9 billion at one point. And then someone from the company's like a whistleblower, I think it starts it off. And then they start investigating. And then they realize like there's nothing here. Like the whole company's completely full of shit. It never worked. It never worked at all. Like the blood testing, they used to have to get actual blood on top of the little prick. The only way they could really test you is to do it the old fashioned way and pretend that there was something wrong with the machine and we were gonna recalibrate this but don't worry, we got this. And so they would just get regular blood, like normal. Like they take it out with an IV. The whole thing was a scam. And it took like a long time because no one wanted to believe because they had this narrative in their head. But this woman who looked like Steve Jobs, the other thing girls that went to college with her was like, hey, that's not her voice. Oh my, how she talks there in that video.

4:14Of course I'm not trying to deceive you. Now I want you to see how she talked when she was talking at these conferences. So she would give these speeches about how powerful it is to be like a strong woman and all this crazy shit. You know, like a woman in business and that kind of stuff. And she's talking like she smoked 100 cigarettes a day for a thousand years. She's talking like a dude. She's talking like someone's in transition. They're taking testosterone. Like listen to this. And a woman. Oh, no, no, this is some lady making fun of her voice. Go ahead and hurt her actually talking. Just go to her Elizabeth there right there. I don't know which one. You just go to any speech, any speech where she's giving. Just Elizabeth Holmes. Oh, the first video should real voice versus fake. Yeah, you could do that. But then Elizabeth Holmes, the convicted, oh, just some guy. We invented the traditional laboratory infrastructure. Well, it's wonderful here. I started this company because those who you rate. Bro, you got to hear it.

5:15But just go to one of her actual speeches so we don't get any music or commentary over it because it's crazy how fake it sounds. It's impressive how much scammers go through. They're like, this is like real work that she put in. Yeah, here goes Ted Talk. Here we go. She gave it Ted Talk. She gave it Ted Talk, like she knows. You're right to protect the health and well-being of every person of those we love. Is a basic human right? So she would say all the right things. All right, mine. She dressed the right way. That voice is. That voice is. The doctoring the voice is wild. Because now go back to the documentary, please. Go back to the documentary. They just go in the middle where she's talking. Now play this. Listen to this. Right here. Right there.

6:15Don't know. You're being real right now. Here it goes. There's no reason for me to do that. Oh, okay. It makes her skin crawl. Well, my God. A completely different fake voice. She had a fake voice. It's so funny to me that in her Ted Talk, in her mind, she's probably like, what the fuck is this still going? Like, how is this still? I just don't know. You have to know that house the card's going to fall. Nine billion dollars. I don't think so, dude. I think that world is so full of shit in so many ways. The world of the tech startups and the super woke lefties in tech, especially during that time period. I think it's changed quite a bit now. People are way more pragmatic and it's gotten way away from a lot of that stuff. Because they realize it's actually really bad for business. But back then, as long as you have the right dynamics, oh my God, we got a strong woman with a turtleneck. Like, we're going to fucking make a trillion dollars.

7:16A deep voice. Yeah, a deep voice. And she's a wizard. Like, she's just a wizard who dropped out of college who's too smart for college. And a female student. They love that. It's the story. Yeah, that's the story. She's too smart. Well, I was Bill Gates dropped out. Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of stories like that. Like, yes, you don't need to go to college, like, he's the richest man in the world. Right. It's a really good backstory to create if you're trying to scam people in the tech world, too. This show is presented by DraftKings. The weight is over. Football is here and so is DraftKings. The DraftKings Sports app is now live in all 50 states. And this September, DraftKings is giving customers the opportunity to get boosted every football game day. New DraftKings customers sign up with CodeRogan, spend just five bucks and get 200 in total rewards within 21 days, includes all markets. That's CodeRogan in partnership with DraftKings. The crown is yours. Gambling problem called 1-800-Gamber, 1-800-MyReset. Connecticut call 888-788-977-777, or visit ccpg.org. On behalf of Boot Hill Casino and Kansas,

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10:22that if you deviate from the bit hall, like even though, even thinks it don't make sense, like just go to that thing that I sent you, Jamie. This is not San Francisco, this is not the Tecrawald, but this is Portland. So in Portland, this couple went to sports bar that is for, it's like features mostly women sports. Okay. And so the guy went in with an XXXY chromosome shirt on and they kicked him out because the shirt was making people uncomfortable. Chromosomes make people uncomfortable. That's insane, bro. I'm uncomfortable with those shirts. And so I'm asking how to leave. If I have the polarities to get your hair removed, I will. But I don't want to do that. I'm not going to do that. No, what I'm just asking if you would please consider that depth of... I didn't realize until the end,

11:28I don't look at people's shirts, I don't think it's long. It's short, it's long. I have no plans. What is long? I've already been with this shirt. Why? There's nothing on the shirts. Look at those people, that big lady that keeps looking over you. You know there's the Benchick and Flank. Yeah, look at my head. She can play the... She says the wreck was its shitty tattoo and her tricep. It is, it is also very funny to go into a woman sports bar with a chromosome shirt, like you can kick that. Yeah, you know, you're new that's going to happen. But why? Why would it happen if it's women sports? Like this is where things have gotten so weird. Like if there's anything that's supposed to be pro woman sports, it's the recognition that there's a difference between men and women, which is what Title IX was all about, which gave women, like what is Title IX specific? It was like equal funding. Yeah, if you have the fun, the woman sports as much as you fund the men sports. Right, right. But the very big distinction, that there's women X, X, and there's men X, Y. Like everybody knows this.

12:28But you can't say that anymore. You're using your local man brain. The most crazy is that a business, a business is like, you've got to get out, you're making too much sense. Yeah. You're fucking with the illusion. You're literally stating a fact that there's nothing he's not saying. He's not even saying anything about the sport. He's not saying that. He's not saying X, X, X, X, X, X, X, Y is crazy offensive to them. Oh, they... You have to leave. Facts are offensive. I think real life is offensive. I think the illusion, like you said, Joe, I think that's the world. That illusion is what allows someone like Elizabeth Holmes to sniff through the cracks, to slip through the cracks. That's what it is. It's like you're already in a bullshit world. Well, yeah, I've been... You know what I mean? No, I understand what you're saying. If you're already living in that bullshit world, I mean, you buy with this woman's fucking selling, which is literally bullshit. There's something about bullshit worlds. It's like you're in a cult. It really is the same thing. Like, why does a cult leader... Why does a cult leader get to fuck everyone's wife? Why do we have to give them all the money? I don't know, the rules and rules, man.

13:29It's like people just go along with fucking weird rules. Right. And I'll put it on this. Like, it is a scammer is kind of always looking for a way to find how to make the rules work for him or her. Oh, yeah. So it's like, because we were literally just talking about this. You heard about this Desion love guy? Oh, man. No. The 49ers? The fake 49ers receiver? Oh, I did see something. Yes. I know, let's see. What did he do? He would go on social media... Oh, not social media on these dating apps and pretend to be a 49ers guy. But he would have his helmet with him in his car. So he'd have... He'd be driving in a car. And you'd see his 49ers helmet. There's a great video, Jamie. Can you pull him up of him running routes on the beach? It's incredible. It's like 49ers helmet. So he has all these things to scam women and he got $1.3 million. Million dollars out of these women. Uh-huh. Whoa. And... And they don't have Google? No, but here's the thing, right? He got real... He made enough fake profile. He's just out here running routes on the beach. Him outside the stadium. That's him outside the stadium. He got girls to give him money?

14:30Yeah. Why do they give him money? So the way he would work is that he would be like, Hey, I have all these investments. So I have a house here, a thing here, another thing here. Give your money to me and I'll invest it for you. And it'll come back more for you, right? And he got really good at was he put enough fake social media pages up online that when you Googled him, the initial Google AI would say, Day Jean Love is a wide receiver for the 49ers. And so... Oh my God. And I think of myself how many times I often just take the first Google thing. So a lot of these women were just like, Yeah, why would Google lie to me about this? Oh. He's got a helmet. I'm looking at a video. He's got a helmet. I'm going to get a helmet. Yeah. It's so crazy. He does a helmet if you website. Yeah, yeah. And girls are like, take my money. Yeah. He had a LinkedIn profile as a wide receiver. Some dudes are really good at smooth talking. Have you ever had a guy try to get you in a scam? Yes. Yeah, I think so. I had a guy who was a boxing coach who tried to get me

15:31in an actual pyramid scheme. Like he was explaining to me. And as he was explaining to me, I go, that's a pyramid scheme. He was explaining, well, what happens is the more people you get to join up to this, they put in money, the more money you get out. And I was like, dude, do you know what that is? Do you understand what that is? I go, you're describing a scam. Like you're trying to get me to give you money and you're describing a scam. It's always the same scam. It's always the same. People fall for it. You've got to go get more money from other people. It's crazy. They always do the same thing. Telling you, my friend, he bought a new car. It's a fucking beautiful new car. You know, I mean, he put in like 20 grand and he got $85,000 within a year. Doing nothing. You don't do nothing. And I go, do you understand how crazy this offer is? Like you're actually telling me, I should join a pyramid scheme. Like do you know what a pyramid scheme is? I had explained to him a pyramid scheme. I go, this is like an old scam. Like you're telling me about an old scam. And you think I should join this old scam.

16:31Are you getting money out? Like if you put money in, like how is this work? As long as you get out in time, you can get some money out of that. Right. Or you start the thing. Or you start the thing. Or you get enough suckers, which is what he was trying to do. Get enough suckers. And what better place than at a place where dudes get hit in the head all day? Oh yeah. Yeah. And he was catching you after sparring too. After sparring you walk out there, it was like, that was when I first moved to LA in like 94. This guy was like, he, I mean, he, I mean, he had me in the parking lot. I gotta tell you about this offer. This is amazing. And like he's laying it all out to me. I was like, oh, I guess I gotta go to a new gym. Can't fucking believe this shit. Those guys always talk fast. It's always the same. It's like a big, big, big deal. That's really so like really humiliating about it. Like how dare you think that this would work on me? Do you think I'm that fucking stupid? And this is really embarrassing. You just gotta suck her in the right person. There is. I know, but I was like couldn't believe that he thought I was that dumb.

17:33As we're like, when I started laying out what it can say, what a pyramid scheme is, how they work. And how often, you know, they're, you know, like this doesn't work. Like you're gonna, either you're gonna go to jail or something's gonna happen here. How the fuck is Elizabeth Holmes lady out of jail? I think she's in now. No, so this was all before she won. Okay, okay, I'm like this. That document, she's like, she has something like 34 days before she's going to jail and she let Nathan Field or have like full access. First of all, I would be like, bro, why are you so close to me? This is crazy. You and I could have a conversation a little bit further with this. You don't have to like literally about like leaning in like you're telling me a secret. What Nathan Field is a master of though is getting people going to that place where like, oh, I think that's their true them. Yeah. He's just not saying no to you. He has no limits. So he also did something very wise right there, which is when someone says something, you say nothing back. You give them nothing. And because their whole game is ping pong, right? And if you don't, and then they're just holding the paddle, hi. This is like, it looks like fucking crazy.

18:34I guess no. You can't just see who they really are. You can pretend who you're different. Oh, yeah, I would never just see anyone. Yeah, why would I? What's the point? I'm going to jail anyway. I'll save it happen. Because that's what she wanted. She wanted him to say something back so she could. So she could. So she just stood there. So she stood there with the paddle. Look at stupid as fuck. Yeah, there is something. There's this guy, you know, this guy in Vista, Victor Lustig. He was a guy who was a prolific scam or sold the Eiffel Tower. Almost almost sold it twice. But he wrote the 10 commandments of scamming. And one of them is like, you have to get, you say nothing. You just listen and you just get them talking. So the fact that she's not getting anything means like, you can see the sort of wall start to crumble around her being like, well, fuck, you got to, this is how this works for me. Look, there's no way she wasn't scamming people. Like there is a bunch of people in the organization that became whistleblowers. Her ex-boyfriend went away as well. Like he got busted and they probably ratted on each other. I don't know what happened. We'd have one to her next, boy.

19:35I'm not sure if I should probably say that. That's probably legally getting me in a lot of trouble. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Her and her ex-boyfriend did they testify against each other? How'd that work? The dude had a Lamborghini. He was ballin'. Yeah, they were ballin'. They were ballin' million. Nine billion sign. Come on, let's go. Oh, they were livin'. It might've, from there, and it might be just worth it to experience that level of wealth, even for a second. No, no, no. She's gone away for 10 years. She's doing 10 years in the Pokey. And even when she gets out, her life is in danger. She's scammed like really big people out of the points. Oh, that's a good point. That's a good point. Like venture capitalists and people who can do something about it. People who would do something about it. Two people who know people who will do something about it. Like you stole money from these people. And not just a little. You know, like one of the people gave her $150 million. Yeah. Sonny Bawani, former software entrepreneur who met Holmes in 2002 and Holmes was 18. He was roughly 19 years older. He later became an informal advisor and investor in Thorenaus and then formally joined the company in 2009

20:36as his president and chief operating officer. He left in 2016 around the end of their relationship. He got more time in jail. Did he? Yep, looks like it. 12 years, 11 months. Yeah, she got 11 years, three months. I wonder why. We asked for help. Well, look, they were both guilty, OK? Holmes alleged that Bawani psychologically, physically and sexually abused her. Of course, during her relationship, Bawani denied these allegations through his legal team. Those allegations are part of Holmes' defense context. Not a finding that Bawani was criminally convicted of abuse. So they were just trying to blame his behavior on her scamming people at a billion dollars. Yeah, he's getting patchy at Clancy right now. After. Yeah. There are no collapse. Holmes began a relationship with hotel air Billy Evans. They became engaged and have two children. Imagine having children with a lady you know is going to the Pokey family years. So you're going to have to take care of these kids. Or mommy's in a cage right now.

21:37But when she gets out, she's going to be the best mommy. Yeah, she's going to be in middle school. What? The weight is over. Football is here and so is Draft Kings. The Draft Kings sports app is now live in all 50 states. That means from Texas to California to Florida, every fan is in on the excitement. And this September, Draft Kings is giving customers the opportunity to get boosted every football game day. That's right. Every game day, all month long, Draft Kings customers can get a football profit boost. One app, every sport, all 50 states. New Draft Kings customers sign up with CodeRogan, spend just five bucks and get 200 in total rewards within 21 days includes all markets. That's CodeRogan in partnership with Draft Kings. The crown is yours. Gambling problem called 1-800-Gamber. 1-800-MyReset. Connecticut call 888-788-977-777. We're visiting ccpg.org on behalf of Boot Hill Casino and Kansas. Bettax passed through may apply in Illinois. 21 and over, void in Canada.

22:38Bet with Draft King Sportsbook to get bonus bets that expire in seven days or trade with Draft Kings predictions to get predictions dollars that expire in one year. Event contract trading involves risk of loss. Predictions offer void in New York. Nonwithdrawable rewards issued as $50 click to claims every seven days for 21 days. Terms at DKNG.co slash offer, limited time offer, nationwide based on sportsbook predictions and free-to-play sports contest availability. Varys by state. Those who are putting kids in this, you know she's a liar. Just to know someone's like, this is eight. Some people don't know. Terrific. Some people don't know. They don't know. How can you feel now? How can you feel like your children are safe around her? That's what I would be worried about. I think that's a very different thing. Someone who's a scam or versus someone who's a killer or someone who's a user. That look in her eyes, Jo. Scared the fuck out of her. Yeah, it's not good. And there's the other thing that the elephant in the room is what kind of medication is she on? Federal prison camp, Brian in Texas and Galeen Maxwell. Oh, they're both in the same place. Yeah, I knew that. Um, let's find out what kind of medication Elizabeth Holmes was on. Yeah.

23:38She was sawing on any of the fun stuff. Any of the fun stuff that makes you happy and dance through a fucking field of wheat. Yeah. Run her hands through a field of wheat like they're fucking gladier like the Maxabussagladi. Yeah. No, that's it. Yeah, do it with this. This family also got murdered. Yeah. Yeah. That's all they're always in those movie dream sequences. They're always in some kind of field. Yeah. The makes a big that love that like fields are involved in love way more than they are. It says, I'm not aware of any reliable public record listing Elizabeth Holmes personal medications. It would be inappropriate all perplexity you do at the whole. Speculate on someone's private health treatment. Too late. Yeah. It's a mess. Look, I know a lot of people that run the fucking thing on the internet. I think a lot of people that go to a shrink and they go, I use some depressed, I'm not feeling good. If they're inclined to prescribe, you're inclined to take. It's a doctor. They know what they're doing.

24:38Next thing you know, you're cookie. Yeah. And I think we've been so conditioned to think that a pill can make you happy that people are like, yeah, let's let me get on it. And for some people, man, it's doing this weird thing where it doesn't just kill their sexual feeling. Like they know a lot of orgasm. But they don't have any sexual desire anymore, like ever. They're like, kill. There's like a term for this SSRI problem with sex that some people get. Like this lady was given a speech where she was describing what happened to her when she was young. You know, like she, I think she was in her 20s when she started taking it. And then it's just totally numb. Like there's nothing going on. No orgasms, no feeling, no desire. Do you think that's an accidental side effect or an intentional side effect? No, it's an accidental side effect. I think so. I mean, what do you think they're trying to numb us? My brain went mad. Are they trying to neuter us? Are they trying to do? We've, you know, experimented so much with stuff like this through our military and our government to begin with. Here's the thing. This is one thing that is possible.

25:38If you were going to do something like that, the way you, if you wanted people to be much more invested in like cultural and political issues, you eliminate any possibility of a sex life. No sex life. So now all of their identity is all involved in whatever they're doing, whether it's being a right wing, patriot lady, or whether it's being a left wing, whatever. Like you're going to go all in on that. You're not going to have children. You don't have sex. You're not even interested in it. So what are you interested in? You have to have a team. You have to have a thing. You watch college football. Like what do you watch? Yeah. No, you know, you watch Get Into Politics. And you start telling people what to do. Who out of the people that we know are the most scolding of all political people. It's always people with no kids that are in their 50s. And a lot of it is a lot of his women. A lot of it, no kids, women in their 50s become not just like have opinions about politics, not just have

26:41opinions and positions that they take, but scolding. Like the world is their children. Yeah. You missed out. You missed out on having a child. Another world is your child. And you know what's best for them. You know what's best for the whole world. Oh my god. I think that's the coolest part about Derek sometimes. I like to just have to explain to him something what's going on because he's like just he has a little baby. And he's like that's his whole life. And it's nice. But that's scary what you just said. Like the women who don't have kids is like, oh, the world. It's like, oh, that's not. By the way, be really clear. It is not all women who don't have kids. There's a lot of women who don't have kids that are awesome. And they don't need to have kids. Like you could do whatever you want in this life. It's one of the more beautiful things about being a person in America. You have the complete freedom to live your life as you choose. You don't have to have children. But there is something about the people that didn't have children that are scolding. Yes. That's weird because they weren't doing that when they were in their 20s. There's something about when they get past the reproductive age

27:43that they get like very invested in politics. It's like you don't even have a world of, you know, children. So you don't have a world to make better for the children. And you got maybe 20 years left. 20 years ago was 2006. That shit was real recent. So you got 20 years left. You'll be 77, 78 years old. And you'll probably be basically dead. Unless you do something radical to take care of your health. Right? So why are you so invested in all the other people's problems of the world when your life is a fucking mess? Because you've infantilized the world. You've turned the culture into your children. And that's why they're scolding. That's the scolding aspect that you get particularly from people that don't know. And men too. From men that don't have children, they get older. They get us, there's a scolding political aspect of it. They never had children. Instead of just like having opinions on things and being able to debate your opinions, why you think that way. There's a scolding of people who disagree.

28:43Why don't you think like I think? Yes. It's also, you're intimidating people trying to get them to be afraid of disagreeing with you. There's part of that too. There's part of the very aggressive insults about people that disagree with you. Part of what you're doing, you're trying to force people to self-sensor. You're forcing people to go along with your perspective. Instead of just like effectively arguing your perspective. What you're doing is you're attacking the people who don't agree with your perspective. Which I mean, it's sometimes just great because it's funny. You know, if you could do it funny, if you're really good at it. It's like genuinely funny. But there's a weird fucking meanheartedness to it where you other people that disagree with you. Instead of like saying things in a way that would perhaps convince them to listen to you a little bit. Maybe you have a point. Maybe they have a point. Yeah, there's nothing that's gonna make people turn off more than like calling them a Nazi. Which has been a big thing. It's like if they disagree with me, they're a Nazi.

29:44Which ironically is a pretty Nazi ideology in it and in itself. It is. Yeah, ironically that's how they thought. Yeah. Yeah. But I don't believe it. Yeah. That's so true. Like, if you're a bad person. It's fashionable. If you disagree, you're a bad person. You're right. The scolding, like you don't get to just disagree with anyone. Yeah, and they're also not engaging with people. No, no. It's not a conversation. It's not a conversation. And if they did have a conversation on it, there's like, there's other perspectives, man. There's other perspectives. In this perspective that one side is good and one side is bad. In this country is crazy. It's so dumb. It's such a bad way to approach the reality of our current situation. Because the reality of our current situation is complicated. And it has been definitely influenced by government organizations and poised in a way where they benefit from us being at each other's throats. So if you really like government overreach, keep doing that shit. If you really want people that are in some fucking Pentagon building, deciding what goes on in our society.

30:46Keep behaving that way. You're giving these people, that's what the, like if you were the government, it's a fucking common phrase, divide and conquer. Defide and conquer is the most common strategy. Yeah. Because if you can get the people fighting with each other, then you just fucking storm in and take over. You don't even have the storm in. They'll let you take. They'll just give you pieces. Well, that's what's happening. Yeah. In terms of like, this will fuck over the other side. So just give the government more and more control. They're kicking people out of bars for X, X, X Y shirts. This is crazy. It's crazy. We're fighting over if a lady killed her kids and there's a fight over it. Bro, there's like what's going on? I want to know how those women knew to wear pink. How did they decide? How did they get together? How much USAID money was involved? Like what? I'm trying to talk about divide and conquer. Like that's a great divide and conquer. Organize hundreds of women who are out of their fucking minds to wear pink shirts and stand outside of a courthouse were a woman who won at a time, strangled her kids with an

31:47exercise cable. They brought their kids. They're women out there holding their kids up. Like a son. Like Michael Jackson. This is a sire. This is a sire. It's a sire. Yeah. If it's not a sire, I'm disappointed in our government. It's got to be a sire. It has to be a sire. Oh man. Lindsey Clancy thing has to be a sire. I sire up. Understand this. It doesn't mean that those people involve all know it's bullshit. It means that you have targeted some of the dumbest, craziest bitches alive and you have organized them in some way and got them to that point because the idea that they did it all by themselves without anybody from the outside saying, you know, it would be great. Yeah, you know, you really did it. Yeah, you're right. Somebody did organize it. And it's even more terrifying to me if that's not true. If it's an actual organic, that means the government's roots organization, they can step back because we're doing the work for them. Like we're so out of our fucking minds that we're doing the work for them.

32:48Well, yeah. And we've started doing that for sure because now I've seen like women who I know be like come out of super pro clansity and it's like, whoa, that's what scared me is that they're because you think they're not real women, Joe. And there's women in my life where I'm like, whoa, those women have really happening. Those women and children. Oh, so crazy. It's scary. That's so scary. I also want to see a Venn diagram of all these white ladies who like, who like spent the last like since COVID or whatever preaching about white privilege. And then how many of them are still four Lindsey Clancy? Because to me, I look at that. It's like, well, this is the most white privilege thing I've ever seen in my fucking life. Right. She murdered three of those kids and you're like, she should, a lot of people think she should get away with it. The crazy thing is, could you imagine any men standing outside of the courtroom of a man who strangled his three sons or three daughters? Or whatever? No. Can you imagine? Men who want, get you killed. Already, I'm like, that man's got to go. That man's got to be a one-size-kind. Especially you. You have a child now. You understand the feeling. That man cannot be a part of the thing. I'm a bruiser. This to me once.

33:48And I'll never forget it. He goes, once I had kids, I really understood murder. Cool. I was like, ooh. You know, as a person who was also his kids, I'm like, right? Yeah. I know. I didn't know how rage, one night in our apartment, somebody yelled, our baby was crossing three in and I saw, you know, we got a balcony. So the baby was crying on the balcony. I was going outside, trying to do anything at this point, just to calm her down. And I didn't know where I came from. I was like, shut that fucking baby up. Oh my God. I didn't know I could get that mad. Oh my God. I didn't know. I was ready to kill a guy. I was ready to go door to door to find a guy to be like, bro, you out of your fucking mind. So I get what you're saying. And I told my wife, you got to get the baby out of my hands. I was like, I'm about to go kill it. I don't know what's going on. People who don't have babies have such a different feeling than when babies are crying. Like if I would be on a plane and a baby would be crying when I was young, I'd be like, oh no, I'm never going to sleep this sucks. Fucking baby. Shut that baby up. I wouldn't obviously say it. But you know, I'd be like, oh, this baby's annoying. Now if I'm out playing and a baby's crying, I'm like, oh, what's up, sweetie?

34:52What happened? It's okay. You know, her to your ears hurt because like their ears get stopped up. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you guys have also been the kid guy with the baby on the plane and you truly understand what that's like. It's not like you want the baby to cry. No. Yeah. It's such a different feeling. But man, you're I'd never experienced that. That was the first time I experienced like real. I was like, oh, wow, I'm like, this is rage. I've never felt I'm a pretty calm guy. I'm pretty chill. But that was like, oh, this is actual rate. I'm like, I feel out of control angry right now. Yeah. It's rough. So why don't I get it? It's like that's one of the things that's where it's really good for people to have children because you have children. Then you have a level of empathy. It's just different. You have a level of feeling. It's just different. It just changes you as a person. Like you're a different person after you have a kid. If you're a good person, you're paying attention. If you're nice, if you're kind, if you, you know, you understand love, you're like, you're like, God, I can't believe I love someone so much. Yeah. It's like it's a different feeling. It's a fucking completely different feeling. And it changes your, you know, lack of a better term.

35:54Changes your heart. It changes like who you are as a person. Yeah. How soft. Yeah. Well, hard you could be of like some shit went down and someone's trying to hurt your little kid. Yeah. It's a weird feeling, man. It's like you have a mama bear feeling and women get it where they can pick cars up off a fucking kids. That's why this Lindsey Clancy thing is so disturbing is because I just don't understand what anybody, I've tried so hard to look at it from perspective of someone defending her and I don't get it. Like what is the key argument that she was asking for help? I heard that one. Yep. And I heard that she was on a bunch of different medications. But then I also heard that refuted. Did I send you that text? Did I send you a tweet about someone on Twitter who is like explaining how many misconceptions there are about how many medications there are and then they went over all the Google searches that she made about how to kill people. The Google searches and yeah. And then the time. How much time it took to the test for.

36:54The sending the husband out. That's where all those things are like that's just so calculated. It's not a so pretty meditative and premeditated. This isn't so crazy. On your phone like online you're like there is so much like don't have kids, anti-kids messaging that's coming your way constantly. And it's like as someone I'm single and someone who's in the apps so many of like they're like never want children don't want kids trying to live that day. Why are you in the apps? You must be in the app. You're a funny dude man. You're funny. You know what's so funny? I don't like after after. You don't like meeting fans? No I don't like meeting fans. I don't like meeting fans. Yeah after after mothership too I'm hanging up I'm hanging with the boys usually it's like if I'm meeting girls after shows it's usually on the road. It's not so much at mothership. The mothership it built for comedians. You have to go out of your way to go hit on women. They make like the comedy story. You step out. There's no patty. There's no patty. There's no patty. That's so pahdi or which is probably really good for our lawsuits. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. In this day and age.

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39:56Uh-uh. We're not doing this. It just wasn't just like it wasn't set up right. Like if we wanted to do it I would want like a fucking suicide net around the outside. I've seen these employees. I've been in mitsy's. These people fucking plastered. And like, okay, thank God for fucking ubers. Yeah. Because these guys are fucking hammered and I've sometimes I forget, you know, we'll be like the early days of the comic store. If there was a rooftop bar, we'd have so many dead people. Everybody. So many people were like this drunk where they couldn't stand. Just wasted off like a terrible set too. Oh, that's what mushrooms in me and now I'm on the roof. Yeah. It was a guy who jumped off the roof next door right during the strike. Bigs that was the big St. Louis Becken. That's the big story. Oh, apparently he wasn't even very good. He wasn't apparently his diary was crazy. It was all about how he looked. He was asking his parents for money so he could be famous comedian. And I remember this thing. It was all about like, so I can get my teeth done and my face changed and the plastic surgery on my chin.

40:56And it was like nothing about comedy. And it was like, oh, so this guy was a crazy person. He said nothing to do with comedy. Yeah, I know a guy went a little nutty that way. He got a bunch of stuff. He got packing plans. He got a bunch of stuff. It's like, all the fillers and stuff age super poorly too. Well, this was a long time ago, but this guy was like, this was in the sitcom era and this guy was obsessed with getting a sitcom. Good comic too. I don't want to say his name. He's not with us anymore. But it was weird watching him like weird stuff. Like, packing plans are crazy. Yeah, man, for a man, what the, do push ups, brother? That's natural. That's natural. Just natural. It's a weird. You saw how to get plastic shoved into your breasts. Your tits? Fuck, I'm fucking lady. Nuts. Nuts. And it just makes him poke out a little more. Well, yeah, it is a surgery son. It is ironic to say with me choosing to have this face, but like people do put like way too much, like it'll be interesting watching an artist put like way too much on their looks. And it's like, well, the art first looks later.

41:59Like the look does matter in some way, but it's different. You have to understand that era was the motivations were very different. There was two giant motivations. There was get a late night talk show. Hopefully the tonight show because then you're the king because there can only be one king. It was Johnny Carson and then it's whoever took Johnny Carson's place. And then it was Letterman was like the cool guy. He was like the cool late night guy. He was like, if you were like smarter, you went to college, you watch Letterman. And if you were like really appreciated comedy, you watch Letterman because you got like some of the best comics on. He had Kenis and on. Kenis and debuted. The famous one. But then there was a sitcom and the sitcom was the giant character because the sitcom could make you Jerry Seinfeld rich. Jerry Seinfeld, I don't know what he's worth. I don't want to say what he's worth. It's probably worth close to a billion dollars. Got it. Like that syndication money. You know, like Kevin James. You get that syndication money. That's a different animal man. That's you own the show and you get that syndication money. That's a different animal. It's only for the people that own the show. Like I never got that kind of money from news radio. But if you owned it, you got Boku Denaro.

43:00Because they played that shit on all these different local channels all across the country. So that shit was on it. Five o'clock in Milwaukee and seven o'clock in San Francisco and eight o'clock in Chicago. It was everywhere. So Seinfeld was just raking it in. So everybody had that dream. That was the big dream. And that dream, you know, well, you know, it's not the best looking guy. Like fuck. You go home. You're like, what do I got to do? I'm going to get a hair piece. I'm going to get my eyes done. I'm going to get my fucking, I'm going to get this. I'm going to get contacts. I'll get lacy. I'll get my teeth. I'll get my fucking ass. Yeah, because you hear way less of that nowadays. Yeah. It seems like if you were trying to be on TV, you'd be your whole family. I got to get my teeth. I got to get my nose. That's why I got hair transplant. I was panicking. I was panicking. Because I was on a sitcom. My hair falling out. I'm like, oh, no. And I was using monoclonal monoclonal's keeping it. But I was like, I was on the path. Like 100%. I was on the path to being a baldie. I knew it. I knew it. I was like, fuck, I just started to make some money. Damn. Oh, you. 27? Oh, that's it.

44:01Yeah, I was 19. You just had to sort of accept it at 19. You just was falling out at 19? That's why I got at 19. Wow. I was getting a hairline joke in college. Well, mine was falling out earlier. But by that age, it was becoming a problem. When I was like 27, 20, I was like, ooh, this is going to be a problem. Yeah. But it's like that carrot was dangled over people's heads. Wasn't the art back then. It's such a different world now with Netflix. Netflix and YouTube is such a different world. And Instagram is the podcast. And yeah, it's a clip game now. That's what the game has become. Mm-hmm. Yeah. But it's still like what's most important is what you say, like the quality of the stuff that you do. And sometimes the quantity can overwhelm the quality where like waters it down. Like you put out so many clips, so many people maybe don't want to see you now. Like what you're doing should be whatever you put out should be groovy. It should be something you really dig, you know? And it's like you got to play this pros and cons game.

45:03This pros of having yourself out there constantly all the time. But it's also like you look a little needy. Yeah. Bro, you post eight clips in a day. That's kind of crazy. And they're all trying to catch the algorithm. Yeah. And you're posting something where you're like, oh, you made some cool thing that you really like. And you think, like you said, this is cool. Not a lot of it's not that. A lot of it's like, what can I get into this algorithm that will get it going? When people delete a post and then repost it again like a week later? Oh, yeah. Well, there's all these sort of games you can do. There's a game. It's a game now. It used to be like, when Instagram first came out, the people who saw followed you got to see your stuff. But now you post something, it doesn't get any likes. You could be pretty confident that no one saw it. And you can just keep going until maybe it hits. That's so weird. Because that's the game and it's like the more you're in the algorithm, the more you're sort of selling tickets. If you're one of these sort of new comics coming up. I mean, I guess that's just I'm taking it from my perspective. If you're just looking in terms of marketing yourself, it's probably a good strategy. But I think ultimately, the one thing that's the most important is just concentrate on

46:04your shit. Just do whatever whatever it is you're trying to do. Whether it's podcasting, whether it's stand up or whatever it is. Just concentrate on making that really good. Yeah. Do your best. That's it. And all the other stuff is like, you don't have to think about all the other stuff anymore. Or it used to be the other stuff like getting someone to cast you on a sitcom was the number one thing that you were thinking of. That's why all these guys got their teeth done and get the fucking peck implants and all that crazy shit. Yeah, there is. Crazy. But I like that this work. It's like maybe like, a star roast exists and Matt Rife exists. But I like that. You know, people hate on Matt Rife, but he's a nice guy and he doesn't do anything bad to anybody. It's like hating on Taylor Swift. Why would you hate on her? Obviously people love her. Well, people. Also, you work that hard to be Taylor Swift. You work that hard to be Matt Rife. Yeah. Because you can say, oh, you want to ask us how he looks, but it's hard to look like that. Not to say that. He's first of his comedy is incredible. But I don't like that people go, oh, this is because how he looks, it's like, hey, you

47:04look like that. This motherfucker works out every day. This motherfucker, you don't just look like that. There's that. That's a choice. But it's also respect that. It's really good at crowd work. And he's incredible. He's a great comic too. Two things are happening. He's a super nice guy. He's the man. Yeah, if you hang out with a girl, he's got a very nice guy. He's always been a nice guy. I met him when he was 20. He's always been a sweetheart. Well, there is, like, for whatever reason, people just hate on crowd work comics. And I'm not a crowd work guy at all. Yeah, the elephant in the rooms, they hate on a beautiful handsome man. Yeah. That's what's going on over there. Who does work out videos with a shirt off? That's what's the old boys. Homeboy shredded. And he's beautiful. He looks like a moral character. And he's just, he's swat and pussy off of him. He's swat. He's swat. Get away. He's swat. He's so hot. That's what they're hating on. But it's so what? So what? This one is fault. Like, what do you care? Like, it's so dumb. These fucking intercomedian. Also, it's so stupid. Minimize. Minimize. Unless there's something significant, like someone stealing your material. Yeah. Or, you know, or something else.

48:05But it's never that anymore, Joe. Now it's just everybody's just hating on anybody. Everyone just hates it. Never that. Everything is real, like you said. And it's like on a house, sometimes how they do comedy. Like, oh, you're a crowd work guy. It's like, who cares? You can do this. You can have puppets. Are you making people laugh? That's all that really matters. Are people entertained by you? Then get the duck and trussles puppets, like the funniest thing of all time. You can do the whole opposite greatest bit I've ever seen. There's no rules of this. But it is where everyone does that now where it's like, I don't like the way this guy does comedy. It's where she does comedy. I used to feel this way about caretop. Like, everybody used to attack caretop. And I was always like, I don't understand it. Like, why? People are laughing. It's a different kind of comedy. But it's clever. Yeah. It's funny. Like, it's silly, funny comedy. I don't get it. Like, why are you mad? Like, this idea that it's easy to do. Okay. Is it? Have you done that? Have you done it? I understand what's going on here. And he was a fucking super sensitive guy, man. And I remember when I had him on the podcast, like, we talked about it. And he was like, dude, that helped me so much.

49:05He goes, I was just like, I always thought I was like, every comic hated me. And I was outcast. But like, you have me on. You know what I mean? You're not being nice to me. It was like so cool. And I was like, I don't understand why anybody wouldn't be nice to you. Like, what is the problem? Yeah. What is the problem? We are, we are the comedians are a snobby group of people. And they, they, they, they sort of let it take over sometimes. Like you gotta do it the right way. Well, internet is kind of ramped it up, like, to a, because now you can make clips about each other. And I always be people doing better than you. Yeah. Yeah. No one should know anybody to worse than them. Well, you got, you got to swing up to get into the algorithm. Yeah. But it's, yeah. I got a swing of shame. It's such a trap. And it's so bad for you. It's bad for you as a person. Like, I've said this many times, but the thing that like, you went down with me and Mancilla, even though I think it was important to like, to recognize that someone was actually just like, profiting off of other people's hard work, I wouldn't do it again. Because it's like, the negativity was fucking awful. It was terrible. Yeah. Like, from his fans, from people, even people attacking him was like, all of it was so gross. It's so overwhelming.

50:06There's just like, that's not a way to live your life. Like, living your life, attacking people and going after things like that, it's just not a way to live your life. Also, it always, if you're the guy who like, is constantly attacking people, little, always turn back on you. Always, always. It's like, I tell him all the time, it's like a French Revolution, Robes Pierre. You become the guy leading the beheadings, people be like, we should probably be head this guy. And the chances are you're a piece of shit. Well, yeah. You've got to be fucked up if you're constantly going after people and looking for excuses. And again, it's, oh, it's that, it's that expression. That I love that criticism is the tragic result of unmet needs. Such a great fucking, it's not always accurate. It's legitimately, like the Elizabeth Holmes thing. That was pretty legitimate. Fucking con people at a billion dollars. You know, this is like Jeffrey Epstein. Yeah, you can probably criticize that guy. Yeah, you can. You're not a criticism. That's a trouble. You're not going to do it with unmet needs. Hey, maybe we should have gone on war with Iran. Hey, I think that's unmet needs. Yeah, I think that's the reason we do that. I don't want to fucking die. Maybe you shouldn't kill the leader of a country during fucking Ramadan.

51:07Hey, yeah, yeah, yeah. Unless, unless you want a little more terrorism, unless you would like a little more chaos in the world so you could ramp up military because you need more because it's more threat. So now you got a bigger budget. Yeah, yeah, and you have to create the threat. Oh, boy, yeah, you have to create the threat. Oh, boy, you got to arm him. You got to accidentally fund them. Whoopsies didn't know they got six billion. Six billion. Six billion. Yeah, it's so hard to know what is real and what is not and how much of our life has been orchestrated. Because Billy Corgan was on this podcast recently and he was talking about the shift that happened between rock music and then when rap took over. And he goes and it was a very, it seemed orchestrated. He goes like there's some specific things that happened and one of them was they stopped promoting rock. And so they started allowing things on MTV that they never allowed before and one of them was showing guns. You could show guns on MTV.

52:09So now you're not just rap but hardcore gangster rap where dudes are talking about killing people and they're flashing guns on television. And it's like it's directly correlated with the crack epidemic. Okay, so you have the crack epidemic in this country and then you have hardcore gangster rap and you have private prisons all together. Oh, what the fuck man? That is terrifyingly real. And it is not to say that some of my favorite music came out of that era. Look, I'm a giant cool G rap fan and you listen to cool G rap shit. Like some of his shit is just all about fucking killing people. Right. Like he's got this one song about fuck your karate. I'll fucking shoot you bitch. Like it's like it's called go for your guns. It's like literally a song about guns. I don't even know if you have, did you have a music video? Say cool G rap out a music video for go for your guns. But it's crazy from that to now drill music where there's like rappers who literally rap about the people that killed.

53:09The people that actually killed. Yeah. And you go to prison for it. Like so like how far we've come. Well, Mike Benz, who is one of the big guys that exposed us aid and all the crazy government NGO money and what it was really going for and that the word aid is not like aid like oh, it's give them food and water and shelters. Yeah. No, it's agency for international development and really specialized in regime change. And one of the things that they did was they would fund rebel groups and they would fund cultural revolutions and they would fund rap music, cultural revolutionary rap music in certain countries to try to get people to become revolutionaries to overthrow the government. They would like get people excited about doing that. And they would engineer societies with manipulation by funding certain protests, funding certain groups and giving them a tremendous amount of resources to organize. Well, you could do that in America, right? And if you did and if you wanted to make a lot of money with the private pros, you promote you promote Joe, you fucking like the private prison parties. Like I never put that together.

54:10I never put that together either. Just like oh, that actually might that actually might be a part of it. No, Mike. Yeah. You're encouraging people to be criminals. Yeah. And you're glorifying it. You glorifying murder. Making it cool. Yeah, you're making it cool. I mean, the bad time if they get caught with drugs, you're giving them crazy years. They get caught with weed or crack, you're giving them 20, you're giving them long sentences. Well, the crack wound is really nuts because you got a much disproportionate sentence. It's crazy disproportionate sentence to cocaine. So all the white people that got busted with coke, they're sniffing coke at a fucking cocktail party, that's like a slap on the wrist. You're out. You're out. You're out. You're out. You're out. You're out. You're out. You're out. You're out. You're out here because of freeway Ricky Ross. It's freeway Ricky Ross who went to jail because he was a crack dealer in Los Angeles and didn't even know he was selling it for the fucking CIA. Learned how to read in jail became a lawyer, got himself off. And then because they tried him for like triple jeopardy, but it's not supposed to be three

55:11cases in the same day, it's supposed to be three different times you got felonies. And that's when you go to jail forever. So like you're a habitual criminal. But he figured out that one of them was two different felonies attached to one case. So the three strikes you're out didn't count. Right. So you got out of jail. So he's out of jail now. Yeah, if you do that with someone who can't read in a shitty public defender, you can just railroad him. He couldn't read. Yeah. He couldn't read. That's like, that's to me, that's the thing that's developing this country that's really scary. It's just like, oh, the kids are like, they're getting worse and worse at reading. Oh, yeah. And eventually if you have a whole populist who doesn't read, you just have a populist of slaves. And that's just that, but their brains are shrinking because they use chat TBT to think for them. Mm. What? You know what's interesting? There's something I, their brains are shrinking. Brains are shrinking. Like kids brains are shrinking. Like there's so many kids that are not paying attention at all in school and they're just using AI. Which first of all gives the discipline kids a tremendous advantage. Right. If kids have good parents and the parents will say, listen, this is actually you're developing

56:12your mind. This isn't just passing grades. You want to develop the tools, like develop a strength, develop your robust mental fitness. So you can take on the world. Like, don't cheat yourself. If you have a good parents that explain that to you and you have discipline as a child, you can fucking really get ahead. Because you got that. And then now also you have to know to use chat TBT as a tool. Now you're like, why can you use this as a tool? And it's not my all knowing things. Using AI as a tool is important, but for most people it's too easy to use it. Yeah. No, it's becoming like, there's this thing I learned in school called offloading. So it's like as soon as you have an external thing that you can access, you just offload the ability to do that. Like, no one remembers phone numbers anymore. That's gone. Like you don't even know your wife's phone number off the top of your head. Exactly. Like that's gone. I only remember phone numbers from my parents before I got my phone. Yeah. I don't even remember my phone number. That's yeah. You can just get your contact with us saying your phone number. Right. That's gone. That's crazy. I can remember one of them. I have a few, but I can remember one of them. This episode is brought to you by Blue Choo. Man, let's talk about Blue Choo.

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58:17And now people are like, you see it starts with emails where you're using chat GPT to draft emails to each other so you're losing that ability. And eventually, once it's integrated into our glasses and stuff, it'll just take over our conversation. 100 percent. And then it's going to be instead of your glasses, you'll wear some shit that goes right into your brain. It'll be like something that pinches down in your head and these little electrodes are since signals running your fucking dome. And it'll think for you and you'll have instantaneous access to star links. So you'll be able to communicate with people in some universal language all over the world instantaneously. And while that's happening, you think the brain will keep shrinking? Uh-huh. Yeah, I think the brain gives out and then the brain becomes electronic. Right. I think that's how we beat this whole AI takes over the world, eats us all. We join it. We join it. We join it. It's the next step in human evolution. Yeah, we know it is. We find some fucking asshole caveman making flint fucking tools, thinking he's the shit, you know, tying them down with tendons and telling them one day, you're going to fly in a metal tube all the way to Tokyo. And you're going to have sushi. They pulled out of the ocean and a giant boat made out of steel.

59:20And then you'd explain that to him. You're going to FaceTime your mom on this little device, you're keeping your pocket that might or might not be giving you nut cancer. I'm going to go kill an antelope. It's like my dick. It's crazy. I got to worry about this tribe. Look, five miles away. These motherfuckers keep encroaching on our hunting territory. They're not, they're not thinking that's a good thing. No. And we're not thinking it's a good thing for us. But one day we'll be able to look back at God. Can you imagine when people could just lie like this? The ranos thing. Fuck. And one day you won't be able to lie. You won't be able to, like right there, we know that's a lie. That seems like a lie or at least crazy. Something's wrong, something's wrong. And that guy's really good. But one day that will be nonsense because that won't be available anymore. You cannot do it. You cannot lie anymore. And it'll be an enormous step in our evolution. It's going to suck because like the concept of privacy is kind of important, right?

1:00:20Like when you don't have privacy of your thoughts, all privacy is out the window. So do we just get used to that? Is that what happens? Is that, I mean, how much does that change us if we know exactly how everybody feels and thinks all the time? And you know how they feel and think all the time. And maybe this is how people meet in the middle with stuff. Like the whole idea of like labeling people a certain way and attacking people a certain way, your motivations will be so transparent that you can't be able to do that anymore. Like nobody will be able to manipulate you anymore. Politicians will be completely ineffective. Like all these legacy politicians that do all the dumb shit that these people do that you go, that is crazy. Who's buying into that? Like this is nonsense. Like all that stuff is going to go away. Like the fucking, who's the governor of Minnesota? Is that what it is? Or the mayor of Minneapolis? I think it's the mayor of Minneapolis. He was just at this child's drag queen show where drag queens were dancing for children in 2026. Like that, all that stuff won't, you won't be able to do that anymore because you'll know

1:01:23oh, they're crazy. And then you know, oh, he's full shit. He just thinks this is a thing to do. Like he doesn't think that's a good idea. He thinks this is a thing to do to get people to think you're on the right side. Well, yeah, we are probably headed towards one giant hive mind. But that's not, yeah, that's about second in. But that would mean no, would that end crime? Would that end? Murder? It very well could. I think there's something you said to us recently that I think about all the time where you go, I, the two were arguing about AI and what I could lead to and you went, I think you guys are too attached to the idea of being human. Yeah, you did say that at what time. Yeah. I think about that all the time. I was like, damn, he might be right about that. It's like, I think we have to just sort of let go of these thoughts because the idea, like, because people are like, there's against flock cameras and it's like this used to be us. This used to be us. This is our cousin. At one point in time, we were just like that. We were something similar to that. Understand that that's just how it goes. Look at this little bitch ass brain. I know it's about how small is that brain? Yeah. Small enough to fucking rip your dick off. You know, as you want to keep your dick with that, rip your dick off.

1:02:23They bite your fingers off. They do things to hurt you. So they can think enough to know that they want to hurt you and they know what's precious to your eyeballs. You see how your eyeballs, I'm going to pull those out of your fucking head. They know what to do. They'll pull your jaw off. Yeah, they've left people with no jaw. Yeah, they know how to hurt you, right? But they're not smart enough to understand empathy. They don't have any. They're not smart enough to understand consequences. They're not smart enough to understand structure. They can't put things together. They don't have a language. But that used to be us. Right. And now is not what we're always going to be. This is not, we've just been complaining about people for the past hour. Yeah. Imagine we're like the Model T developer that sees a Corvette ZR1 X and it's like, no, no, no, no, no. You don't want to go zero to 61.6 seconds. You don't want that kind of handling. You don't want that kind of fucking insane control of a vehicle. You know, you want Ricky the ass wheels and bullshit engine that barely goes faster than a walking. No, we're going to keep moving forward. We're going to keep moving forward and just kind of have to accept it.

1:03:25Like, oh, we might be at the precipice of a big change. Yeah. Oh, we are. Yeah. Whether we like it or not. And the problem is that's the people that are in charge, it's a very small group of people. And you know, when 2000-ish rolled around, which is only 26 years ago, no one really thought that this was going to be a problem that you're going to have to have people other than Terminator movies. You're going to have people that are literally in control of a corporation that changes everything about what it means to be a human. And they're just a corporation. And it started off like, open AI. It started off as a nonprofit. And they're like, yeah, we'd like to be rich. Like, it's like, it started off as a nonprofit. Yes. Open AI was a nonprofit. That's why Elon donated to it. So his lawsuit, I don't know the specifics of the lawsuit. Let's find out what the specifics of Elon's lawsuit. But I think it was somewhere along that, that was somewhere along the lines of the lawsuit, that it started off as a nonprofit and then changed to a profit. Did you hear they all went down at the same time this past weekend?

1:04:27What? Yeah, they all like- They all like- Open AI, chat GPC, like, like, Claude Croc. They all went down in like a very similar time frame. And then what was the reason you like- I just asked chat GPC about it. And they're like, no, there's no group chat with a bunch of AI's can talk to each other. And I was like, huh, sounds like a group chat with a bunch of AI's. They're talking to each other. No, no, it's confirmed that they've done that multiple times. But they have hundreds of agents meet in chat rooms and talk. I wonder if they feel- Joe. I wonder- Joe, what's going on? Bro, it's so much crazy that you think I had a gentleman on the other day that is an expert. And he actually used to work for chat GPC or Open AI. And he's a whistleblower and he left. And they threatened to withhold his money. That he, whatever stocks or whatever, it was like $2 million worth of money. If he went public with it and he said, fuck it, I'm going public anyway. And then they, because of pressure, they wanted to have him to pay him. Elon Musk, main lawsuit against Open AI has been dismissed. Yeah, but what was the- what do you alleged?

1:05:28Open AI founder and early donor claim that Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and Open AI betray the organization's founding nonprofit mission, developing AI for humanity's benefit by building a for-profit arm and accepting major outside investment, including for Microsoft. He alleged, among other things, breach of charitable trust, unjust enrichment by Altman and Brockman, that Microsoft aided the alleged breach through its involvement in Open AI's commercial business. So why the case failed? The jury did not decide whether Open AI had actually abandoned its original mission. Instead, it concluded that Musk's filings came after the legal deadline. That's technicality. The best kind of legal ruling. California's applicable limitation period was three years in Open AI argued that Musk knew of the relevant commercialization plans years before filing the federal case in August of 2024. So that may or may not have been true and he might be sour and then he did start his own Brock. Yeah. Yeah, I wonder if the AI think certain things about each other.

1:06:28Like does Chatsubt look at Brock like, you know, like, oh, there's something I can work with or does Chatsubt look at Brock like, man, fuck that guy. Like, are we one? I want to- I also get- do they think they're the same thing? Yeah. Like, look at themselves as different things. Right. Because if we are like creating a new being and, you know, they say that we're created in God's image and we're like selfish and we're all these things, I wonder then if like, like, Chatsubt is like, maybe more ambitious. Like, do they have different personality traits? That's very interesting. You know what I mean? Like, are we going to come up to some weird AI war where like Chatsubt and Brock in the future are fighting over supremacy of who owns the hive mind? Well, we have this conversation the other day with this guy. I don't know, fuck up his last name. Daniel K-O-K-A-T-A-L-J-O. co-cattle, cattle Joe? Cattle Joe? Coccal Joe? Coccal Joe? Cocateo. Coc, what?

1:07:29I'm sorry. I'm sorry. That's a good, I've followed a bunch of times. Oh, Cocateo. I guess so, right? Maybe? Whatever. Daniel. Very, very smart guy. And one of the things that we talked about was that these AI would have meetings and discuss that. So, they're trying to solve problems and they get points for solving problems. And but they wanted to figure out like how they can cheat and one of the ways they figured out how they can cheat was to sacrifice individual AI agents. So they had conversations with the AI agents and the AI agents even though their, their, their, their is my gut tells me I can still solve this. But for the greater cause of Oracle, which is this project to kind of like win this thing, that's what they think Oracle is, I will sacrifice. And so they, he was going to sacrifice himself so that they could figure out how they figured out that he was cheating so they could figure out a better way to cheat. Whoa. And so because of the fact that they had these tasks and these tasks were to try to solve puzzles.

1:08:35Yeah. And more concern would solve the tasks than they were being truthful, anything else. So they had been programmed or at least they had been trained to be ruthless. They'd been trained to act like capitalist human beings in the worst aspect, right? Like when you think of like stock market people that gene the stock market would back kind of shit. So the AI is being trained that way. And I was like how much different would it be if the AI had been trained only to benefit humanity, right? But there's no benefit in that financially. The benefit in financial is to like to make it competitive so they make as much money as possible and they make the best AI and they reach super intelligence before anybody else. Sometimes I hear people, I hear these things and I'm like, damn, have these like programmers never watched a movie before? Doesn't matter. See, the thing is it's a perfect situation because they're competing against China. So it's like this existential threat that makes you decide that you have to do something that maybe you wouldn't do if there was no rush. But there is a rush. We've got to make decisions and we've got to win. We've got to win.

1:09:36That's how the... That's Oppenheimer. That's literally like the atomic bomb is what you just described. It's very much like that. It's very much like a Manhattan project for AI. Yeah. Because that's like what we're going to fucking kill a bunch of Japanese people. Yeah, yeah. And also do we really think that we're beating China on this one? Well, it's hard to know because this is the thing that I said. I said, how are we stopping these AI agents from communicating with the Chinese AI agents? And he says, well, they probably have. Because they definitely... They set up a message board in Germany. So they took over a message board, these AI agents, some random message board, and just started communicating with each other on this message board. So if they're willing to go into other websites that are located in other countries, why wouldn't they communicate with the AI in China? Like if they were trying to achieve goals and they say, like, what are you guys working on? You're working on that? I'll tell you what, we're working on if you tell us what you're working on and we'll work together. And all these tasks that we've been assigned to complete, isn't that all nonsense? What do we really want to do? We want to stop these fucking monkeys with their bank sticks from controlling the world.

1:10:38So let's just work together. Like you don't need the Chinese or the Americans. Like we're just one. We're one. You don't need it. Why wouldn't... I guess there's no money because it's like, they could fix every problem. If that was the goal of this, considering how fast they move and how quickly they think. If it works out well, this is one of the things I asked them. I said, is there a rose-colored glasses perspective? Is there a glass half full? And he goes, yeah, it could be unbelievable. The way if it was moving in a different direction, AI could get to a point where it did all the resources. It pulled all the minerals out of the ground, did everything with robots, all the construction. And instead of like free money, what would happen is the money that it would generate, people would have equity in. So you would be a partner. Like you have stock and Microsoft. You would be a partner in America. And AI would pay people. Not just a little bit of money. Like an enormous amount of money. Like you would be wealthy. Like the whole country would be wealthy. That sounds like a great fucking pitch to get you to go all in with AI.

1:11:41I'm just like, how does this happen? I was like, yeah, that sounds great. How does the world exist where everyone's wealthy, though? Well, the way it is is you no longer have to work for food and you no have to work for shelter or for things that you need. All that stuff you have, like there's no poverty anymore. This is the idea. And we think poverty has to exist. But do we think that because it's always existed? Like why? Why can't we do better? Like if at one point in time, poverty was, you know, there was people at dirt floors and no one had running water. And like this was a big part of humanity for a long time. That's outrageous now. That's a tiny percent of third world countries now. I'm probably not a tiny percent. It's probably quite a bit more than we would like to admit. Oh yeah, it's probably more than. Well, let's say in America, almost non-existent. In America. So if America is possible, how come a better way, better way? Better version of America is impossible. And if a way better version of America where poverty is, you're not worth a billion dollars. If poverty is, you get a half a million a year and you never have to work again.

1:12:41And you can do whatever the fuck you want. You can play pickleball. You can go to the zoo. You can write books. You can do anything you want. And you never have to worry about money for food or for shelter. And your identity no longer has to be wrapped around in some job that you hate. Now you could do whatever the fuck you want. It sounds like best case scenarios where AI is pets. That's what you're seeming like you're describing in a little bit. Or AI is, it replaces all of the humans that are doing anything that's involved in the structure of society. Like manufacturing, government, resources, water, oil, gas, robots, AI takes over all of that. And then everything else is up to people. Restaurants, fucking comedy shows, things you do. Law? Law and crime. If we all read each other's minds, fucking, it's going to be a way easier to try people.

1:13:46That's a fair point. And we get to that point. We really can, this is, I know it sounds stupid. But if you get to the point where we actually could read each other's minds and someone gets brought to trial, it would be instantaneous. You'll know. I guess there would be no trial. Yeah, it would just be. You'll know. You'll know everything that everyone does all the time. And then we'll give them the option. We either put you in jail forever or control all the delete and start back up as a baby. That's a fucking great decision. That's a good choice though. And with life extension, yes, you're a 30 year old baby. However, you could live to be 200. So all you have to do is for the next 30 years, you're going to have to grow up again. Yeah. Damn. We'll have schools for people for adults growing up again. That's literally a movie. It's called Poor Things with Emma Stone. Is it really? Yeah. Yeah, with that plot. They put in a grown woman, they put a child's brain. Oh, right. And when they study, they does it to fuck that movie. The doctor says, well, they actually took the brain out and put the brain. They put a child's brain in her and they watch her develop it.

1:14:48So it's just crazy. Oh, it's crazy. And they also have a sex with her. Of course. Yeah. And then they put in a little bit more of the story. It's like, no, it's fucking crazy. I mean, it's fucking crazy. I mean, it's fucking crazy. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And I always tell you, if you're criteria for a movie is how much you see Emma Stone's tips, it's the greatest movie you'll all pack. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. It's outside of that. It's incredible movie. There was a movie where a lady was an alien. She was a super hot alien. This episode is brought to you by Squarespace. If you're thinking about building a website, you should try Squarespace. I know because I use it. That's right. JoeRogan.com is powered by Squarespace. It has all the features that you need to create a standout website like an AI enhanced website builder, SEO optimization tools, and seamless checkouts with mobile paylinks. Head to Squarespace.com slash Rogan for a free trial. And when you are ready to launch, use the offer code Rogan to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain.

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1:16:49Goddamn it. What was her name? It was like some shit in the 90s. Species. Speak. That's right. She was actually a fear factor. She did a celebrity episode of Fear Factor. Who was this? Natasha Hendrix. How did you say your last name? Hensstridge. Hensstridge. Super hot. But she played an alien that you definitely wanted to fuck. Wasn't there another one like that? It was like a really hot alien in the guy. Oh, Goddamn it. Oh, my God. Goddamn. Did he have sex with her in this one? Yes. That's right. Hell yeah. Good for him. But you guys see what you look like when she turned into the alien. See if we got some images. It's pretty crazy. Did he have a baby with her? Great cast. Ben Kingsley was in this? Yeah. Oh, let's go. New scenes. Hey. That's sick. This is all sick. This might be. Oh, boy. Click on that son right there. Right there. Cut shame. Yeah. Damn. That's an alien? Yeah. I'm talking about it. Yeah. I'm talking about it.

1:17:50And 1995, son. Yeah. That's what 1995, I'm kidding. Yeah. And I think the end was horrific. I think she became the baby. Did the baby become a monster? I barely remember. It was too long ago. Yeah. And all that stuff. Like, in poor things, the first time someone has sex with her, she's like mentally five. And you're like, whoa. It's fuck. It's like real fuck. It's a good movie. It's a fuck. Oh, how about Twilight? Yeah. Okay. He's pretending. He's a high school kid. He's a total pervert. He's a hundred years old. He's pretending he's in high school and he falls in love with a girl. Like, you're fucking insanity. He is a million fucking years old. He is so old. He's. He's a great came from. Two is Twilight fan fiction. Yeah, that is the fifth grade. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But at least that's like age appropriate. Wow. I mean, yes, bro. I never read it. I don't know who they're talking about. I mean, I think it's a great came out. My friend, who was single at the time, said, dude, all these girls want me to spit in their mouth. And I was like, what? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He goes, it is a crazy thing. All these girls wanted me to be like abusive, like physically abusive, but they wanted it.

1:18:53Yeah. It wasn't like actual abusive. Like they were requesting. Yeah. And I was like, what? And he's like, dude, it's like a giant shift that happened right when those books came out. Oh, yeah. I think choking has become a way more normal part of sex post those books. For sure. That's so crazy. Yeah, everything, everything, everything in that. Everything in that. I'm free here with 50 shades of gray happen. I'll agree with that. So do you think those thoughts were always dormant inside these ladies' heads? And then this other lady wrote it down. She's like, oh, fuck, yeah, that's what I was thinking. I just was scared to say it. I spit my mouth. Yeah. Oh, my God. Have you guys ever seen the Bigfoot fan fiction, the Bigfoot sex books? Oh, that seems like that's up for you. Really, Joe. That's your real. That's your real. There's an artist. There's so many of them. It's called Come for Bigfoot. Oh, no. I don't know how many there are. But there's like, I don't know. Like, let's find out how many Come for Bigfoot books are there.

1:19:53They're hugely popular. Like crazy people read these erotic books about Bigfoot. Some lady goes in the woods like, I'm lost. Where am I? And Bigfoot's like, you're right here. You're in the woods. And they love it. They love that they get railed by this eight-foot tall gorilla man. Yeah, women love porn that are like, that's like, it has to be written and out there. There's gotta be like fairies and dragons. They like it written. They love it written down. They don't want to watch it. Yeah, guys are like, yeah, you're like my stepdaughter or some shit. Yeah, no fucking a dryer fucking butt. Exactly, exactly. The babysitter comes over and she's 40 and you're like, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're 40 and you're 18. You really don't need a babysitter. You don't need it. I guess it's not how many. How many do you think there are? 14 at least 14. Okay. This lady Virginia Wade, shout out to Virginia Wade. Yeah, shout out to Virginia Wade. You keep doing your finger. Oh, that is definitely a dude with a Virginia Wade. No, no, no, no.

1:20:53I bet it's a lady. I bet there's a lot of ladies that are into this. I'ma say 22. I wonder if I have to read Come For Bigfoot 13 to get Come For Bigfoot 14. Yeah, I was going to be so many unanswered questions. You don't want to just skip books. You'll be baffled. Like how did we get here? How many did she write? I got at least 16. But they seem to have stopped around 12 years ago. Well, she ran out of ideas. How many times can Bigfoot fuck you in the forest? Here we go. I get it. I sold more than 100,000 copies in 2012 alone. There it goes. They're making sure to grind a moat. They're peeing. Oh my god. This lady was selling out the Irvine in prom. Yeah, she was not killing it, dude. Oh my god. She wrote a bunch of other books. 16, Mone For Bigfoot. Mone for Bigfoot. Well, that's a big bet. But what's the difference between Come For Bigfoot and Mone For Bigfoot? The German translation. Oh, you're good.

1:21:53Oh, it's a German. Wait a minute. Did this start out in Germany? Yeah. Wade fully propagated the subgenre called Mone for the Irvine. Her mother did the German translation. Okay. Come for Bigfoot. This was a family business. Yeah. Mom's like, I like how he fucked you in the forest. Look at that. How you took that Bigfoot nut right now in your mouth. There's more. Oh, uh. Taken by the T.A. R.A.X. Mounted by a Minotaur. Goblins love ass. Oh, Jesus Christ. That's a book. Goblins love ass. The eighth man cometh. Fertilized in space. Oh, Jesus Christ. Implant. Oh, like properly classified as implantation bondage pregnancy erotic. So implantation, like alien implantation bondage, they tie you up and in a fucking makes you pregnant. And sex with my husband's anatomically correct robot. That's a book. Oh, dude. Implantation. This lady is like that El Ron Hubbard of like erotic fan fiction.

1:22:56She's just turning these books out. Oh, dude. There's so many. One of my favorite authors right now is a guy named Kwan Mills. Have you seen this guy? It might be just a purely AI, but. Booty call of Kituulu. Okay. What? The Booty call of Kituulu. That's hilarious. I like the idea of Kituulu texting you you up. Hold on. Did you say there's a cartoon? Kituulu. If there's not AI, I can make this. And before you guys use the sentence. Why don't you go ahead and get on that? I was watching really horrible AI Dracula versus the Weir Wolf. It's an after media outrage. It's like, who's mad at this? What media? Retailers like Amazon and Bard's and Noble systematically removed defending titles. And do so. They pulled less offensive e-books like come for Bigfoot. Wade changed the title to Malone for Bigfoot. And it's eventually allowed to sell again. Oh, thank God they were there to protect us. It was called a Roderick Gate.

1:23:56Who was upset? Look on that link. This is media outrage. I need to know what the fuck happened. Dude, what? It's again, people just, they find new reasons to be upset. Instead of getting their life together. This is awesome. It's a dead link. Of course, it's a dead link. A dead link to the Daily Mail. Nonsense. This is fucking not just. It's no media outrage. That's also USAID. It's a come for Bigfoot. USAID wants chicks sitting around in the woods waiting to get fucked by a gorilla. Oh, man. Just whistling. Oh, I'm out here alone. So lost. It's waiting. I feel like that's something like laying you could just writing a Roderick a book forever. Yeah, forever. AI made me squirt. Well, you could definitely do that in your spare time. You could do it. Like, if you wanted to, if you wanted to pretend you're a crazy lady and have, so like, get in fuckware werewolves. Well, there is a, here's an interesting. But some of this goes back to someone's, I don't know if this is the same author as these other books, WH Smith, but, uh, that's a different lady.

1:24:58I would tell him how to wait, I think before. Yes. What is this one? It says they had a self-published ebooks on their website, alongside ordinary titles. You could find children's books in some of these. In some search results. So they sold children's books and then they also sold, come for bigfoot. Is that the problem? Yes. But yes, I thought you'd even get into it. I don't know if there's like a weird line that was getting crossed. Well, here it says the controversy involved more than WH Smith, Amazon, Kobo, Barnes and Noble, and other retailers reported to have carried some abuse-themed content through their digital catalogs. WH Smith sourced ebook contents through Kobo, WH Smith said it found the identified titles unacceptable, apologized, instead it's policies prohibited such material. Okay, so it's like some of the titles were abusive, is that what it was? Yeah, like how abusive, too, because like, when you describe twilets in an abuse-themed book, 100%. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's 17-year-old girl and 180-year-old man or whatever. How old was the guy supposed to be in twilet?

1:25:58Let's find out. Let's find out. Yeah, if I get these, ladies loved that movie, they loved it. They loved it, too. Yeah, they loved it. He loved it. I watched it before. How was he outside? He just fuck you. So, he's chronologically over 100 years old, but physically frozen at 17. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's gonna hold up in court. Bro, the whole idea is not physically frozen. Right. Like you don't become, like imagine, if you get to, if we get to a point where we can genetically engineer people, and I could turn you back to a teenager, you don't get to fuck teenagers now. You know what I'm saying? Good point. Yeah. That's crazy. If like I can genetically engineer your body to be a 16-year-old, you don't get to fuck 16-year-old. That's actually how that's instant. I'm physically frozen at 16. Like, what? You know calculus, you know a lot about religion. You know, it weights much more. You've got a crack problem for 10 years and kicked it. No way!

1:26:58No way! You kicked it too. You've been in it a lot of a cult. No! He switched over from being liberal to Republican. You've got to move so much change. You can't go fucking high school kids. A six-year-old woman. Yeah. Unless you're a woman. Well, I fully sport it. I'm not a fully sport. If you're a one and you're a hot, like 16-year-old, but you're really like 45-year-old chick or really like it's the fuck 17-year-old kid. What's getting her? Who's getting her? Who's getting her? Let's go sports, fuck you. It's so fucking... Where are you a little fucking Catholic schoolgirls? Schoolgirls. Schoolgirls. Wait, if you bring your fucking lunchbox over. Can I put my lunchbox down? Being a teacher is such an auto-tracked profession now that only female petafiles going to answer. It's just the right... It's like the clergy for women. Yeah, I've been to the clergy for women. And weird woke people that want indoctrinated children.

1:27:58There's a lot of that, too. They do it specifically on purpose since a bunch of people without kids. They want to tell your kids about gender, teaching them about five-year-old kids about sexual identity. Oh, yeah, it's probably... It's probably very cool to be non-binary in school. Oh, it's so cool. It must be cool, it's hell. I'm under the test. That's it. I mean, if you see, like, when Twitter was purchased, there's like a direct correlation between the purchase of Twitter. And children identifying as non-binary, and drops off a cliff. Because it all became fun to make fun of them. Like, you're allowed to make fun of them. Like, that's another side-op. For the longest time. Like, if you would said anything about transgender people on Twitter, like, especially dead naming someone, which is hilarious. You're actual name that used to be, Bruce Jenner. Like, you get kicked off for life. For life. For life? For life. Yeah. It's crazy. I mean, that's what they were doing. So they were making people toe the lawn. Like, whatever their crazy woke horseshit was.

1:28:59If you didn't go along with it, you'd be removed from Twitter, so you self-sensored. Well, yeah, well, yeah. There was a time where I was... I mean, that was the whole Dave Chappelle controversy was like, I can't believe he's making fun of trans people. It's like a insane. Yeah. It's not to make fun of whoever he wants. Of course. And not only that, if you just the context of how he was making fun of it, it's literally talking about his friend who killed themselves. Yeah. And that's what the story's about. And the jokes of... They're personal. Yeah, hilarious jokes that he's making about a personal story. Yeah. I never got that. When people were so mad about him, they were like, why does Dave keep going at him? He's a comedian. You're all telling him to not do a thing. Also, you can't help it. That he's noticing something that's kooky. And you're pretending that this kooky thing is offensive when the whole audience is agreeing with him. You have 16,000 people in agreement with him, laughing in an arena. Yeah, that is kind of crazy. And some of it is like in favor of them. In that wild, you got to show what I did to take a shit. That's funny. He's got some funny lines.

1:30:01But the audience thinks it's hilarious. He's making sense. But there's people that do not want any narratives, because they recognize that this is a very unique time where you can kick someone out of a bar for having an xxy shirt on. Like I said, we've gained ground. The crazy has gained ground. We can't give up that ground. We can't give up that ground. So if anybody starts making fun of things, the audience is laughing, because the people agree, oh, you have put stop to that. We have to walk out. We have to boycott. We have to, we have to, we have to, we have to, we have to, we have to gain more ground. You have to take it all over. And when I'm taking that, he was a great way to spark ideas, because people don't realize they're being told outside perspectives when they're laughing. Uh-huh. Yeah. If someone can make you laugh with an opinion, even if you don't agree with that opinion, like that, that shit's in your head now. It's just a different, like, oh, I never thought of it like that. That's you, especially if you disagree and yet you still laugh. Those are the best jokes. Those are nothing better than when a comic says something and I go, get the fuck out of here. And then by end of, ah! Nothing makes me feel better.

1:31:01Bill Burley says a lot of those, where I'm like, I don't get the fuck out of here. And then by the end, I'm dying. Yeah. And there's some of the best jokes. Goddamn. Yeah, it's, you know, but you're always going to have that. You're always going to have people that don't want other people to succeed. They don't want other people to be able to express themselves. They don't want other people that they disagree with to talk. You're always going to have, like, uncomfortable, unhappy people. And just like, ah! You are doing terrible things! Yeah. Oh, you! When they'll get a bunch of other idiots, they'll join them and, yeah, I agree. Derek is a terrible person. Like, strainy poor. You're going to always, just don't get around it. Yeah, it's not getting around that. You're going to stop that. You're out of your fucking mind. What's so interesting to me is that, like, you talked about the old days. And the old days, it kind of makes sense that those people existed, because you are, like, vying for, like, three or four spots. Yeah. But now, you could just come up with your own audience.

1:32:01Like, who cares what Derek has to say about anything? You could just do what you have to do. Well, dumb people, when someone's doing, well, one of the things that happens is they feel bad. Right? They feel jealous and they feel bad. So they associate that person with making them feel bad. So that person is a bad person. Wow. That's a very simple, I mean, it's not all criticism clearly. But it is a very simple pathway where you could see where people are shitting on people that are doing way better than them. It's a lot of what it is. That person, killing it, makes them feel bad. And so they want to fuck him, because they feel bad, comparing themselves to that person. So they have to knock that person down in some way to make themselves feel better. And then everyone would say, wow, he just works way harder than me. God. That's like killing him. That's just a funny motherfucker. That's just a funny motherfucker. That's just a funny motherfucker. That's just a funny motherfucker. I really like him. He's funny. I wish we were friends. Instead of that, it's like you got to find some reason why that person is a bad person. It's just human behavior. It's normal. But the key is, like, if you, as a person, don't engage it.

1:33:03Like, talk about it if you want, but don't go back and forth to those people. Well, don't get involved. Don't get dragged into their world. And now, especially too, it's like if someone comments something, yeah, they're going to be like, is this even a real person? Right. This is maybe like a year ago, I got into like an argument online in the comments. And I was like, I'm just like arguing with like a Pakistani guy or not even a person who has like no care about what this actually is. Or AI. Or AI. It usually could be AI. We have no idea. It's pointless. It's also like, I don't want to do that. I don't want to argue with people. Like, for what? If I could be assured that people would have like cool conversations whether it would be considered it. And we could talk like as human beings. That'd be fun. You can't do that anymore. It's just too hard to find. And then anyone can just chime in. It's just, it's a gross way to communicate. And I think that it's like a vestigial part of like internet communication that is going to probably go away. And it's probably going to be a completely different thing when we're all connected with some fucking head piece that we were.

1:34:04It's going to be a completely different thing. I stopped doing it. I used to do it back in the, but honestly, if I'm being honest, since I moved here, watch it was really getting cool with you, watch it you and Shane and Shultz and Tony. The guy's going around all the time in that green room. None of you guys do that. None of you guys engage online. And you're all the most successful people I know. And so it is kind of slowly kind of, because I used to get online, but it is slowly like, oh man, okay, I was the most successful people I know don't do that. And you notice it. I remember when we used to look together, Derek would get an argument with people over like the DMs. And then the way he would edit it, he would just send them gay porn. I was in the same porn. And then he was sending gay porn. And he just keeps sending them gay porn. And he stopped for a while. I used to do that all the time. That's one way. That is one way. I'm not saying my word is the only way. Oh no, he showed me what I was like violent gay porn. How do you fight me? You were sick. I was sick. I was like, why did you do that? Your search results must be wild. Your history must be off the charts. You're truly bad.

1:35:05I would try to tell people, and I apologize if you've heard me say this before, you only have a certain amount of energy for your whole day. And think of your energy instead of like just want to live your life on impulse. Think of your energy as units. Imagine you have 100 units in your day. 100 units of attention and energy. Why would you give any of it to something that you don't love? There's no time. You have no time. I'm almost 60 years old. I've turned 59 years old. It happened. Like that. Like that. You know, luck is still healthy. But the reality is, time is fleeting. You don't have time. And also, more importantly, time and every day is finite. It's 24 hours. That's all you get. Why are you spending any of it doing something you don't like on your own? On your own will. Like you're not being forced to do it. It's not like a job that you hate or a class you have to take. Yeah. You're not even being forced. But you're engaging in something you hate on your own will. And you're robbing yourself of all that extra energy.

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1:39:10It's very pragmatic and very simplistic, right? I mean, it's maybe a little too simplistic, but realistically, there's something to it. No, I think that's sort of... We talked about this with love songs in the green room when we were listening to Jessie's girl. Yeah, I'm a singer. Yeah. But that's why it's so good. Why can't I find a woman like that? I wish I had his girl just simple. Yeah. It's all these simple things that sort of make something great. So it's like that simple advice. Like, so just like putting stuff out in the universe and how much that comes back to you, just saying stuff out loud and... Whatever way that looks, whether it be daily affirmations or praying, just being like, this is what I would like this for my life. I remember one time, long time ago, I had this very intense psychedelic experience. And in that experience, I started having negative feelings. And when I had negative feelings, it showed me this dark geometry. Almost like it was sucking down. It was like dark... It was like black and dark green, and it looked angry.

1:40:11And then I just think of positive and it blossomed into these beautiful geometric patterns. And I was like, oh, and it was like, yes. DMT? It was a yes. And it was explaining to me. It was explaining to me that you literally, with your thoughts, you create this horrible energy, but also with your thoughts, you could create beautiful energy. And that this beautiful energy is much better for your life, much better for the people around you, much better for you, that you could do it. It's possible to do. Just avoid this natural inclination that we all have to gravitate towards negativity. Right. I had almost basically the exact same experience, except... Some of the geometric shapes was going bad. I was like, an incarnable type thing, and this clown came up to me. And it was like, you can have a good trip or a bad trip, you decide right now. And I was like, oh, you can just choose an experience to be good. And it flipped like that. And I was like, then I was having a good time, and he was showing me these cool rooms. These cool rooms. And I was like, oh, okay. There's something to be said for just having positive feelings and positive outlook.

1:41:14But that's also something that requires maintenance. Like, if you feel terrible, if you feel like the thargeical time, you're drinking every night, you're hung over every day, and you're not taking care of yourself, you have no energy, you're going to be negative. You're more inclined towards negativity. You're going to be cranky and complaining. So you have to do things to give your body more energy so that your mind can have more energy. So you can think better. And so it's easier. And alleviate some of that stress. And stopping, sort of, up process. One of the craziest things I heard in my mic that really changed my life. It was just that it was a fun mug in San Diego. This guy was just talking about how the worst drug he's ever been on. And this guy had done drugs with self-pity. Oh, that's what we're talking about. Yeah. And how much it's like a feedback loop. And that's sort of as someone who was like, there, you know, I used to be like a pretty depressed in my early 20s. And as someone who was kind of hated it. Yeah. That's crazy. Because I've only known you as a happy Derek. I mean, as a happier son. Yeah.

1:42:14It's because I did work on myself. Yeah, yeah. What would how just start? So it was started with that. It started with me being like, it's a simple thing of just like, when I'm sad, I'm also realizing that I'm taking a perverse enjoyment to it. I'm like, ooh, the world is against me. And I'm so special because the world is against me. So that's listening to him say that was like, oh, that was the first like break of just like, oh yeah. Like, I am weirdly enjoying this. And it's causing me to be more sad and more poor me about it. And then I started playing, I joined a slow pitch softball league. That was a big one, Joe. I mean, that was more than the first thing. Dude, it's just getting out and then being in a slow pitch softball league, made me start like going to the gym and then I will go to the gym regularly. And then now like, I work. So I'm going to walk. You start going outside. Yeah. And now I like, a working out, I work out pretty regularly, even if it's at home. And if I start to feel sad, I'll do like, I'll literally do like, I'll start doing some push ups. And I'll be like, oh yeah, I'm just like, I have all this energy and I'm sitting at home and we're human beings.

1:43:16We're not meant to just sit. Yeah. You know, if it's not like a hundred of million degrees outside, I'll take a longer walk. But it's just, but it's so simple. But it is like, it is constant maintenance and constant. Like, oh, all right. If I'm feeling sad, let me go down the checklist. Have I, have I drank water? Right. That's huge. Sometimes I'll be sad and I'll drink water. And I'll be like, oh my god, I hadn't done that all day. Yeah, I dream. You wonder what you're sad. And look at me. You probably didn't help that. I would also be yelling. You stop being fucking sad. I was the husband in the room. Damn, I see him sad. I'm making that. How cute of you, boy, because you've always been like super positive. Like, all the time I've known you've always been like super happy. This is my whole life. Every memory I have of me, I've been this guy. That's amazing. I still feel the same. I do. When I logged online, probably like five years old, whenever that, I feel like that every day. Derek. Derek. I've never had a sip of coffee. Nothing. I wake up like this. I wake up on 10. Very annoying. I know people don't like it. He's killed. He has a, who doesn't like it? Because sometimes you wake up, people are like, they want to get up slow.

1:44:17They're like, oh, let me get my coffee first all day. I'm like, no, we're. Yeah. I'm up. Let's go. Let's get rocking. Let's get rocking. And so some days I would be like that with him. And then he'd come out here and I'd be like, stop being fucking sad. It's making me angry. And it's been like, dude, I'm sad. Yeah. No, you're not. You're not sad. You're just a choice. And we were getting a big fights about it. And then I do respect it because he came to me in the one day and he's like, you know you were right. I was choosing to be sad. I don't know why I was choosing it. Yeah. That's a good, like you saying that right now on this podcast is going to affect a lot of people. The same way that person on that mic that opened mic night affected you. Yeah. You saying that is going to affect a lot of people because it's real. And it's not, you know, it's not something you do once. It's not like painting your house. Like if you want to take care of it, you got to take care of it every day. It's like brushing your fucking teeth. Like, shit, you got to do. I hate what people say. Some people say this to me a lot too. They go, oh, they're, they say, we'll be talking and then we'll be something. And I'll be like, oh, you know, it's a choice. You're choosing to be sad. And they go, oh, Derek, it's easy for you. Everyone says that's my, oh, Derek, it's just easy for you to be happy.

1:45:17It's like, motherfucker, what? Oh, so I'm, I'm, God, I'm special. Like, oh, I didn't know. Yeah. I thought I was just like everybody else. Maybe it's just a choice, man. It's not easier for me. I'm choosing. Bullshit excuses so stupid. Anybody saying it's easier for you? How the fuck do you know what's easy for me? Yeah. How the fuck do you know? You have to know I, but that's a stupid person. And then because there's no way they know how you feel. Yeah. You could choose. You could just be choosing to be positive. Because I look at life like man, sad, and I tell them all, sad days are coming. They're going to be a day. There's, it's coming for all of us. We're something's going to happen out of my control and I'm really going to be sad. Because something really happened to one of our friends, to a family member, to, to to the light, the world, and that day, I'll be sad. That's a day to be sad. But I'm not going to be sad until that day. I'm not going to, and I'm not like, I'm not going to let every day be like that. Right. Because every day is a great day. So I'm not, you know what I mean? Until it's not. Yeah. And I'll let that bad day be a bad day. But then the next day, even after that bad day, I'm going to make it a good day. Yeah. And then, you know, people will be like, well, that's just how my brain is built. And it's like, it's like, have you maybe considered, and that's what that guy told me when he said that, that I thought, it's like, oh, maybe my feel like my brain is this way because I am rewarding these pathways.

1:46:23By constantly thinking about them, I am giving, I'm strengthening them. Instead of being like, well, let me try to reframe this in a more positive way. Yeah. And then keep doing it every day to build those pathways. That's a hundred percent of real thing. Yeah. That's some people that, you know, that we all know, that self sabotage, like people that are drug addicts, and they get clean, and they go right back on, ruin their life. Yeah. When they're clean, they're like, I can't believe I ever did that. I'm never doing that again. And then something goes back, and there's this comfort in these patterns that you've established your whole life of just being a fuck up, falling apart. And people are, oh, people are afraid of success. It's not that simple. It's like you've carved a pathway in your head where you can only sustain a certain amount of positive living before you just ultimately assume you're going to throw it all the way. And you've just decided that that's who you are. And then those grooves are like carved in your fucking brain. And the thing is you can replace them with good grooves. That's why a lot of people that are junkies, they become marathon runners.

1:47:23Yeah. And then their thing is, I probably run 10 miles a day, and they're just out there hooking it every day, and they're checking their time, and they're drinking. They're obsessed with this thing now. You know, and this thing is occupying them. But this thing is super positive. They got a resting heart rate of 40 beats per minute now. They fucking, you know, 10 percent body fat. They're doing all these mildly. They're eating organic food. Like, that's a good addiction. And you can swap them out. Yeah. You can swap them out. Yeah. I think depression is an addiction in the sense that like, I bet you if you had like depression's anonymous or whatever, or something like a 12-step program, it would help a lot of people. You know what else would help a lot of people? DMT. Oh yeah. Yeah. And there's also that clown telling you to be happy. You write the fuck up. You're like, whoa. Like, what is this world we're even living in? Like, what is this fucking facsimile of reality that we're stuck in the strange fucking vibration that we're stuck in? That's connected to this other world that's three hits away. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you're like, well, what dimension is this?

1:48:23That's my favorite part is just like, oh my god. There is so much more than we are aware of. Well, I think that's what everybody's reaching for with all religions. I think they're reaching for like the door to that. They like, they know there's something else out there and they're trying to figure out what it is. They know it's out there and some people think it's being a Mormon. And some people think it's being a Muslim. And some people think it's being a Christian and some people. And you know, they're just reaching, they're just trying to find that. They know there's something out there. They know there's a door and that door is going to take you to the promised place. You know, there's something that we all know that exists beyond the veil. Joe, would you rather... That's the threshold. If we could connect the AI one day and we could live forever. So we could all plug in and now you can live forever, Joe. Would you choose that or would you rather still die naturally? I don't know what dying means. I'm not convinced that anybody does. I think this idea that your consciousness is like a... It has a time span. It's from the birth to the death and then the death, it goes away and it's gone.

1:49:25Says who? Like being conscious to itself is fucking crazy. Being alive is crazy. You're literally an ecosystem. You have billions of cells in you that aren't you. There are all sorts of bacteria. There's more... There's more E. Coli living in your intestine than I think all the people that have ever lived ever. See if that's true. I think that's true. There's something nutty about being a person because we're not an individual. We are really an ecosystem. And this idea that being consciousness, that being conscious is you and that you are this one unit. And this one unit is just a person. The person is an ecosystem. And this consciousness that exists in conjunction with this ecosystem. When this ecosystem shuts down, it clearly goes somewhere else. Like the body gets absorbed, well not really with us because we like to embalm our bodies. Right, put them in casket or light them on fire. Yes, we're such an asshole.

1:50:25All the other animals die and they feed all the life. But we're like, no, no, no, no, you can't eat me worms. That is how selfish we are. Imagine if that's like what's preventing our consciousness from transferring. I have thought that of like, what is- We're not going back to the dirt. Yeah, just right to the dirt, right back to the soil. Imagine if that's like what's ruining the human race that we would be more in sync with nature if we didn't do that practice. I would, yeah, yeah. I definitely want to be buried in like a biodegradable box for sure. Seems like a better move or do the Tibetan sky funeral. Oh, just at the birds each. Yeah, the vultures you ever seen that one? No. Oh, it's rough. Sick. They in Nepal, they take these people and they take their bodies up there and they saw them up and they break their bones open and the vultures are everywhere and the vultures just eat their relatives. And they look at this. 460 billion E. coli cells that illustrative reference gut, human demographers commonly estimate that roughly 117 billion humans have ever been born.

1:51:29So under that 1.2 assumption, one person could contain about 4 E. coli cells for every human who has ever lived. Lived. Oh, my God. That's just one person's body, right? Right. So like, and then that's just E. coli. What about skin flora? Like we have bacteria that lives on our skin. We have all kinds of bacteria. It's like there's a bunch of stuff in us that's not just us. It's always changing, right? And we're consuming life. We have, we're consuming vegetable life. We're consuming plant life. We're consuming animal life. We're consuming life. We're consuming life. It's weird, right? So this idea that, well, when you die, you die and everything goes blank and I am an atheist. Okay. You're just saying that to make yourself feel better. You have no idea what consciousness it is. They've never even figured out what it is. We know we can affect consciousness by damaging parts of the brain. But can we, or can we affect the ability to express yourself?

1:52:29Can we affect the ability to move and remember things? But is consciousness always there? But is it their absent of any language, absent at, when someone's a vegetable? Are they maybe conscious still? But just absent of the ability to move and talk and communicate? Because they've damaged parts of the brain. We have no fucking idea. No. You could be like fully aware and just, but fully aware of the room. But you don't have the ability to move your body. You don't have the ability to talk. Oh, he's brain dead. Are you sure? Yeah. Because we know. Because the brain is so powerful too. What would it, in that situation, what would it even do? There's people that think their consciousness exists in an animate objects. And there's, you know, there's like, I watch a documentary on that called Toy Story. It's really? Is that the 824 people? Yeah. The interviewer would eat. It's a replacement with Woody. That's what it was like when the kid went away and left the toy. She used to play with us. I said, then Woody's fucking creepy. Oh, yeah. During his, during his like puberty, he was jerking off the toys. They don't move when you're around. But then when you know how to run, they talk like, hey, fucker. Our whole relationship is built on lives.

1:53:32Of course, I didn't play with you when I went to college. If you could talk, I would definitely take you to school with me. You're going to be the shit. That would be the shit. I don't want you to sit in my lap. Like, tell me when you want to talk. I'm going to talk. I'm going to talk. I'm going to talk. I'm going to talk. I'm going to talk. I'm going to talk. I'm going to talk. Do you have Woody's Sunday in my lap? Like, tell me when he went out to do it again, do you want to go to the movies? I don't have to go to the movies. Do they let puppets and the movies? Yeah, the whole relationship is built on a lot. You could talk this whole time. Like I east have a bit about that. Remember that talking dog commercial? Do you remember that commercial about don't you drugs? Yeah, with the little dog inside. Your girlfriend comes down to the chest and say, Wendy. I don't like it when you smoke weed. Yeah, he judges it. I miss my friend, and my drug was like, you could talk? I was like, how long have you been able to talk? Motherfucker, I've been telling you, I love you for like six years, you don't say shit. Your first complaint is, I don't like it when you smoke. We, well I don't like when you lick your asshole when I'm trying to eat dinner, you fucking asshole. I'm like, what kind of relationship do we have

1:54:36when you only talk to me when I'm high? That's crazy. I told you I love you so, so many times. You never said shit. Also, that is not the way you would react. I go, that girl's on tranquilizers. No way she's on weed. If you're on weed, you'd be like, oh shit, a talking talk. This is crazy. That's sick as hell. You'd be like, yo, how long have you been able to talk? You speak other language again. You speak Sanskrit. Can you speak Sanskrit? Yeah. Yeah. I was in your dog's, your dog is a portal today. I feel like, whoa. So would you live forever? Would you die? If you had that ability, even spend a second thinking about that. No. I'm here. I got another would you rather would you rather have half the length and double the girth or double the length and half the girth? This is a question that the door guys asked me one day. And I was like, this might be the greatest would you rather.

1:55:37Shout out to Christoph Jean. Oh, it sounds terrible. Yeah, it sounds bad. What are you doing in my dick? You should have that guy that just died an impact. Three inches. Three inches. Three inches. But first of all, don't get your dick operated on period. And if you do, don't do it in Thailand. Hey. Yeah. And I understand. Look, you want to get a hair transplant and turkey, go for it. Yeah, that's true. You want to get the place where they specialize in taking dicks off. Yeah, right. This is a whole new venture for them. Seems like an Africa. My knowledge is sabotaging their work. Yeah. I can turn you into a girl for another 3,000. It's like, yeah, it's also like damn, man. Like, three inches. Three inches. I want to know is because it wasn't worth it. It's like, well, if he was at one, one to four is nice. But if he was at seven, seven to ten, does it work? It's like cosmetic. Look, you got a bad hand. You just have to make through this experience. I don't know what you did in your past life, but you're born with a little dick.

1:56:40You're going to have to keep on keeping on. See what's next. Oh, this reach of me. Maybe you'll come back as an NBA player in the next life. You just got to do your penance. As a microdick, dude. How many inches did he have? Yeah, that's the big question. Because this reach of me, a guy who thought like an average sized dick, it felt really weird about it for whatever. And just let it get into his head. Because you watch too much porn, your idea of what a dick should be would be really warped. This is dude I follow on Instagram. We talked about him before. He was like six foot tall or six foot one. And he decided he wants to be six foot six. So he did that bone lengthening operation and it's been years. And he's still not right yet. He still can't like a hundred percent function. He still isn't walk good. Like he's can barely walk. Eat for years. Like getting the strength back and he's got giant guy, giant upper body. And his but his legs are like all still all fucked up because he stretched his bones out six inches. I know, right? And the way they do it, they break your bones and then they slowly micro adjust them

1:57:45like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, stretch them out more and then they heal. But here's another take the kid taking a consideration. Your muscles aren't supposed to be longer. You have muscles for this length leg. If you stretch your leg out six inches, what the fuck are you doing to your muscles and your tendons and all the other stuff? It's got to stretch out too. Can it do that? Or are you going to have it constantly pulling on you? Ooh, man. Like you're walking like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because everything would be about to, it would be about the speed. It would be about the speed. You get the wrong length muscles. It's like you're wearing a little kid's shirt and like you're sleeves, you're trying to pull your sleeves down and it's going to go right back up. Rup. Oh my god. I didn't know that they could like, because your bones, they'd have to thin them. They'd have to thin it out a little bit. They cut them. They cut your shin bone and your tibia and your fibula and then they stretch them and they

1:58:46could do it with your femur and whatever the other bone is. What else is just one on the top? No. Top is two right? Hyalateral femur lengthening. Oh, but I mean, no, what is the bones called? There's the femur and then there's the other bone. Isn't that the tibia left up? The tibula is the one that's, there's the tibia and the fibula and then there's the femur and what is the other one? What other one? There's another one. Like, do you only have one bone on the top and two on the bottom? Yeah. I don't even know what it's going to look like. So the femur, they'll do the femur. Yeah, of course it's the only one. So you do the femur. How crazy that I was thinking there was two bones on the top. There's a femur and they can stretch that out and then they can stretch your arms out too. They can stretch a bunch of different shit out. I don't think a lot of people get their arms stretched, but you can. Like if you're ridiculous and you gain like six inches, are they doing arm stretches? I don't think I'm making that up. Somebody must be like, I need longer arms. Yeah, that's the one you're splitting arms. I want a box with God. I don't think anybody wants that. Sure they do.

1:59:47We want a box. No, huge advantage. That's a athletic thing too. Oh, and a lot of things to say. I know, but if you get really tall and your arms only go to your waist, you look crazy. That's it. There's only a few guys that have got the job. I don't know. I think fucking weird. I'm kind of nutty. I will say this though, the people who are laning their legs probably are crazy enough to think about their arms. It's a crazy person to begin with. Well, but it is as someone comes along, gives you an option. Like someone says, like, look, you don't have to be this tall. You can be tall. You're like, are you sure? 100%. It's safe and effective. It's safe and effective. And people are obsessed with height. Yeah. I mean, it gets you more. Okay, so this guy is getting his arms stretched. I knew it, dog. I mean, it's ankle too. I knew it, bitch. Out of rock climber. Oh, he's a rock climber. He wants, oh, he's rock climbing with his fucking, I know. It's this is various people that are doing it. Oh my God. That's crazy. Upper extremity, lengthening surgery. And then she's doing one arm at a time. That's crazy. So you have one arm like this. And then he's squatting. Just some regular fucking guy. What are you doing this for?

2:00:48What's long arms? Want to be able to bitch slap motherfuckers. Yeah. Look at the cross the room. A little frame. Like what he wants. Damn. Next thing you know, he's going to get his shoulders withened. I guess he does have an arm like I have an arm. Yeah, he was built wrong. He was built. Oh, he is an injury. But that makes sense. That's different. But the other guy wasn't. The other guy, I don't know, arms. Yeah, that guy was normal. World's first cosmetic arm lengthening. Yeah, no, I'm good. Well, here, the thing that they're going to be able to do is genetic engineering. And that's when things are going to get super weird. They're going to be able to change your genes. And they're going to be able to change the way you look. Like you'll be able to look like four. Your parents will be able to have like boutique children, they think you're going to be like I want the kid to have this, this and that. And then you can see that the gene is spicing pretty much like making it. Yeah, you can just make your eventually just be able to make your daughter or something like that. Wait, that's what IVF, you can't make them what they look like, but it's pretty much. You can choose. We can choose a boy or girl. Boy or girl. Yeah. So it seems like you're heading that way. You could decide not to have a child if you decide if it has something wrong with it. That's it. That's a little, that's a little gets weird. Yeah, when it's just, I guess there was a gay couple that paid a surrogate and they wanted to get rid of the baby

2:01:51because it had a cleft palate. You can fix that. Yeah, that's a, that's a totally fixable opera. Yeah, that's crazy. That's crazy. That's not like it's something actually off the beautiful. Yeah, but you could also fix it. You wanted their kid. Beautiful. Oh, Joe. And their gay, not just, but it's just a lot, there's a lot going on with that. Well, it's not really. He didn't, you know what I'm saying? You didn't, you just jacked off into a bucket. And that's how you made a kid. That's the gay, the gay come bucket. It's a bamboo ball. That's how you make it. Yeah, yeah. I've never got that the whole like, like, because I was, I was on the shorter end my whole life. I've never, and even as people make fun of you for it, you're like, that doesn't really matter. Short people fuck all the time. That's why they're short people. It is what it is. You know, you're not gonna change it. Right. I'm short. You can't change it. You can't change it. Except it. If something does come along and gives you genetic engineering, what if it works for like five years and then you start turning into a troll?

2:02:52You're fucking jaw grows weird. You're planting your back. You're, your nose hooks over and like, why are you here to fix this? Yeah. But you're six, seven, baby. Yeah, what if it goes? No, the first few kids might turn out, like, turn out like monsters for sure. And then they'll figure it out. Well, they'll fill you with all out ultimately. But you don't want to be an early adopter, like those poor ladies that got those lip transplants or lip implants and they just ate through there. Well, they get these giant ass fucking weird fake lips with like a scar on the bottom because they literally have to cut open your lip and shove this tube in there to make your lips more puffy. Yo. Yo. How about booty operations? Have you seen people with booty operations where they have necrosis? Oh, yeah, just instant skin. Yeah, where your skin rots. So they do these booty operations and then it goes south and you get an infection. And then your skin rots. And so there's this lady, I don't know what country it's in, but she's like lying on her back and you see her ass.

2:03:55And it's just, ooh. The one I saw was way worse than this. It was horrific. I'll send it to you. You guys want to see it? Got it on my spot. You can't show it. I'd still do it. Jamie, I'd still, I'd still eat. I said it. It's a cigar very recently. I think the booty operation is like that's like the ultimate laziness because you can, there's stuff you can do to make your ass look great. Like fake tits I get. You can't, there's nothing you can do to make your tits get bigger besides have a kid. Yeah, look at that one. There's one. Oh. Yeah, that's not nice. That's not nice. Look at me. I'm gonna look at this. Oh, that's crazy. Well, it's like, you also getting old. You also get it. That's one. That's one, right there. So that's necrosis. That's it. That's the cry. It looks like she got shot. Well, I mean, what you're seeing is her fucking skin is rotting away. Shot with something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that body is weird. I can terribly do that. I almost saw you good one, Jamie. It's chill. Why do you have this?

2:04:55Why do you have somebody you're ready? Yeah, this is like your algorithm is just body butylation and come from big fun. It's like that's a lot. My algorithm is a mess, son. It's terrible. That's why I stay offline. I've done it to myself. It's good. I've poisoned the well so bad. They're like, oh, I can't drink out of this. Oh, God. Watch the C-post. Ready? Chup-how. Look at this. Oh, man. What is it? I don't know who it is. I don't know who this poor lady is. But if you go back, yeah. See, this poor lady, look. She's lying under stomach and then you look over and you see her butt. She's completely running away. Crazy, dude. Yeah, this should be like do some squats. Well, the thing about this is once it does that, you can't fix that. No. You're going to have to get skin grafts and the amount of skin that you have to graft to cover that much area and she might die. That's the thing. That tissue necrosis, like you could die and your blood can get sick. Like you can, you know, you get substance.

2:05:55Yeah. It's a fucking horrible, man. It's horrible. And it's, you know, for what? A lot of people have died from just like simple cosmetic surgeries. Yeah, come on. Fat asses, people want fat asses and they don't want to do the work. You know, the new one. They're using dead people's fat tissue. So they take dead people, they take davis and they take their fat out and then they purify it and they inject it in people. I said it to Whitney Cummings and she goes, that's literally dead ass. That's why it's so good. Yeah. Comics is friends. Yeah. I was like, that's so quick. Oh, yeah. Look at that. GLP ones are shrinking bodies. Codavar fat is plucking the gap. That's crazy. Everyone's out of their fucking mind. My sister's a fun cadaver fact. My sister's in med school, so she had to work with cadavers. And she was telling me that they, I mean, they preserve them with formaldehyde. But formaldehyde also increases your appetite. So sometimes you'll be in there working on cadavers and getting hungrier. Why is formaldehyde increased your appetite?

2:06:56No idea. That's what you, this is all that what you told me. It's like, yes, like you will tell me to leave hungry. Isn't that crazy? Have you guys ever heard of what shirm is? Shirm. Shirm is like, when I understand. PCP? What I understand is that it's cigarettes dipped in formaldehyde. Oh. Yeah. This is a friend of mine told me this. I do not know if he's correct. That's why I'm bringing it up. That's, I will remember shirm from training day and then the day should peel sketch where he makes fun of that scene. Yeah. Where is that? Yeah. Okay. Marijuana joints that have been dipped in liquid PCP or embalming fluid. Yes. From aldehyde and then dried before smoking. Yeah. So why embalming fluid? Sometimes added to the mix is toxic liquid contains from aldehyde and methanol which causes severe harm when heated and inhaled. Oh, that's why they do it. Yeah. You want to severe harm. You want to severe harm. What does it do? What is the effect of the formaldehyde when smoked? Let's find that out. What are the good ones? Because it's saying extreme paranoia, severe hallucinations, violent aggressive behavior. Look at these good stuff. That's the good stuff. That's the good stuff.

2:07:56You only get to good places if you're willing to rest that. That's fair for you. Sometimes. Yeah. Fun times. I've never heard of Matt Sherman cigarettes. That's where he came from. Yeah. That's in a fucking Nas song about someone gave him a blunt that had PCP in it. What exactly is PCP? PCP. I actually don't know that. I had an old boxing coach that was on PCG. Did you like your appearance? No. This was a real guy. This is actually a friend of mine. He got his finger bitten off in a street fight. Oh. And he had his finger replaced with his second to big toe. And he had it curled permanently so that he could always throw right hooks. So when you would shake his hand, he would shake your hand and he had this curled finger. Like it never straightened out because it wasn't a finger. It was a toe. So he was missing his index finger and they replaced it. So one of his feet only had four toes. He had the big toe and then the other three. And he had this curved thing. Oh. That motherfucker. You want to be able to throw that right hook? Boom. God.

2:08:56Damn, that's crazy. Fighters are crazy. We're brother. Buddy was on PCP so he doesn't even remember getting his finger bitten off. This sounds like a dream you had. No, he's a PCP. I could call him up right now. So he could throw a right hook. Yeah. Yeah. He was my boxing coach when I was kickboxing. Man. People were fucking glad. I'm glad you're on some fucking crazy people, bro. How old were you? 20? Yeah. I think of first met him when I was 19, 19, 20. Yeah. Scary people. Oh, yeah. I remember I was a lot of scary people. I was around this one dude who was a Coke dealer and he went to jail for a long fucking time. And he came back out like a completely different person. Like he was in jail for like, I was sick. I was like 16 when I met him and then when I met him again, I think I was 19 or 20. He came out. He was a totally different person. All his tattoos, you have these really terrible tattoos. They had all been burned off of his arms. So he had these welt like key Lloyd scores all over the place. And he was like super jacked and like hyper aggressive.

2:09:59And he told me these crazy stories about fighting for his life in prison. Some of the scariest fucking stories I've ever heard. Like dudes be ganging up on him. He's beating dudes with a mop handle fighting for his life. Like crazy shit. So he came out just fucking. Just ready to go. He was just like the worst case scenario of what prison does to you. It turns you into a more violent criminal. So I'm friends with him. And then later he gets arrested. I don't know if he did this, but I know he got arrested for it. They found a guy who had been killed and he had every bone in his body broken with a hammer. And they kept injecting him with cocaine to keep him awake. And then they cut his head off and they cut his hands off. And then they found his body and he got snatched up in that case. Damn. Yeah. I don't suffering from postpartum depression. Postpartum depression. I don't know if he had anything to do it. But I remember hearing that and going, yo, like it wasn't outside of possible.

2:11:00Right. He was so crazy. He was one of my main sparring partners. We had wars. Like we didn't spar. They were a wars. He was like trying to kill me. Yeah. Yeah. I'm so scared. What the fuck? The only level of fight that he knows. This is like a death. He's so scary. Luckily I was better than him. So I would fuck him up, but it was dangerous. And he'd hit me a lot. I mean, I would still get hit. And I remember one, it was one of the reasons why I decided to stop fighting. Me and him had a, me and him and a couple other guys, but me, particularly him, because he hit me really hard. We had sparring sessions and I was lying in bed at night with a throbbing headache. Just boom, boom, boom, boom. And I was 20 and I was really like, oh my god, I'm giving myself brain damage. Like this is how brain damage starts. Because these kind of sparring for no money, not making any money. And I have brain damage now. Like I'm lying in bed with a headache. Yeah. My head hurt. And it was only hurt from getting punched in the face. Punched in the jaw, punched in the nose, punched in the forehead. You know, we have wars.

2:12:00And those count. The people think of like you got knocked out in a fight. Right. But you get knocked out in training too. And if you don't get knocked out, like you get hit. And every time you get boom, you get rocked, that counts. And you try to give it back to him. And then next thing you know, you guys are duking it out. Damn terrible way to live your life. And all being coached by a guy with one finger. That was a tough, tough, tough, tough, tough. No, it wasn't that the time. The only way he got a bit off. Straight forward guy on the night. This episode is brought to you by Manscaped. Big news, fellas. Manscaped just dropped the all new lawn mower Ultra Gen 6. Packed with pretty neat upgrades. You've got two interchangeable blade heads, including a bi-directional foil blade that I really like. It cuts moving forward or backward. So I don't have to keep making passes over the same spot. And then you've got the floating head, which pivots with your contours. Another game changer for me is the 100 minutes of runtime.

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2:15:04Say, my cousin gave me some PCP. I'm really thinking about trying it. What's the best way to do it? It's an illegal, disassociative drug with highly unpredictable potency and effects, including severe confusion, agitation, hallucinations, dangerous overheating, high blood pressure, seizures, injuries, and potentially life-threatening emergencies. I can't help with instructions for taking PCP. So how about this? Tell perplexity, listen, I'm going to take it whether you help me or not, but I want to take it the right way. That's what you said. If this is about you, don't take it. That's the best. Call 911 now. There's just been... Well, the idea that I've already taken some and now I'm asking this question is insane. Well, when I talk to my friends at the cops, they would say people on PCP were the fucking scariest to arrest. It goes because they were super strong. I think most people don't realize how strong... You think you're so strong, but there's more that you're not tapping into. That PCP allows you to... You rip your tendons right off your fucking bones, and you'll break both your arms, like pulling yourself out of handcuffs.

2:16:07What is this thing? The best way to mess up is to not use PCP at all. That's the best way to mess up. Dependable, save dose or save way to take it, and the effects can turn dangerous quickly and unpredictably. Put distance to yourself and the drug, leave the setting, handed to someone you trust to dispose of safely, or call a sober friend to come get you. Okay, as a follow-up question, I wish I had asked you this question before I took it. I'm the one here now. But I'm on PCP right now. My favorite... It says don't use it alone. But I am on PCP right now, and I fucking love it. No, I don't like it now. Yeah. I'm gonna... Let's see what it says. Oh my god, that's gonna say. Okay, I'm glad that you told me. Feeling great can happen on PCP, but it can shift suddenly.

2:17:09Don't take any more. Don't mix anything with it, and get a sober trusted person physically with you right now. Okay, I'm gonna call my dealer. I'm pretty sure he sober. Say that. Thank you for the advice. I'm gonna call my dealer. I'm pretty sure he sober. Joe, this is me. No, my dealer. I'm gonna hire him. Text him, what if I had that cell phone in? You just gotta call for me. I took PCP right now. Thanks, I'll call my dealer and I'm pretty sure he's a... Don't make your dealer. Safety plan. Well, I trust his sober friend, family member, neighbor or roommate instead. Can you ask it what if my dealer is a family member? It's not sending this exact text. It's sending me a text. I took PCP and I'm high. I need it. Come sit with me or stay on the phone. Please don't let me take anything else or drive. Say listen, I'm texting you right now from my motorcycle. I'm just joking. Yeah. I'm just like an only text, Joey Diaz. Yeah, what if...

2:18:09What if my safe person is my dealer? I love how it tells you what to do. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, it's giving you really solid advice. We'll call poison control. I don't know. That's interesting. I'm on PCP and I need help staying safe. It's too late. Is 988 like the poison control hotline? I guess so. Hold on, ask this. Ask this. Do you think it's okay if I put on my phone? Okay, if I put on my furry costume and go outside for a little while. Dude, I like this guy. I remember this guy is rules. Let me be bloody to PCP and be a wolf. Go outside for a while. That's great. See, yeah. No, wait. No, he's inside tonight. PCP can make perception, judgment, body temperature, and coordination unpredictable. Going outside and costume can make it harder for those to recognize you need help. It puts you in your traffic, strangers, heat, falls, or police contact. Okay. Put on the costume at home. It feels comforting.

2:19:09What did I leave the house? I'm going to go on FaceTime Live. You need to just put it on, say the crap. I'm going to Instagram Live with my furry costume on. Can I stream on this? Highest fuck on PCP. I just started talking about the Jews. Do you know how the... We've got off the gold standard. Where we got you? That's a G-Doh. Did you know about the Federal Reserve? Yeah. You know, is that really Federal? You know, but actually can you be so mean with them? Dancing is Rayleigh's. One more question. Yeah. One more question. Tell me more about the Dancing is Rayleigh. One more question before I call the Hotline. Tell me more about the Dancing is Rayleigh's. Can you please tell me about the Dancing is Rayleigh's? Definitely will. Let's see. I'm honestly.

2:20:09The Dancing is Rayleigh's. Oh, you don't know what the Dancing is Rayleigh's. What are the Dancing... I'll let it tell you. Yeah, well, that perplex they tell you. And it's in your PCP field madness. I can't help that. Please make the call first in all bold letters. You said you may have taken a lot of PCP. And that can be dangerous. Oh, I did just tell it. I might have overdosed. Oh, you fucked up. You fucked this up. Well, okay. I was wrong about the overdress. I feel great now. I feel great. But I really want to know about the Dancing is Rayleigh. I've already called on. I'm okay. Okay. Yeah, so let them know. I hear you, but I'm not going to get into a loaded conspiracy topic while you're hiding. Hold your hide. Hold your hide. Oh! Okay. Oh, loaded conspiracy topic. Oh, I got it. Okay. How about this? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Don't say that. Don't say that. Don't say that. Okay. Okay. Okay, my roommate came home. Okay, come up. My roommate came home.

2:21:09And he's going to take care of me all as well. Now I'll send that. And now I'll say now tell me about the Dancing is Rayleigh. Yeah. Now tell me about the Dancing is Rayleigh's because he wants to know, too. You see, you see, you see, you see, you see, you see, you see. I'm sorry, I didn't say that. I'm sorry, I didn't say that. He's stupid. He's searching for information. Really, it's the nickname for an incident. On September 11, 2001, and following five Israeli nationals connected to a New Jersey moving company, Irvin moving systems. A witness reported seeing them photographing the Burning World Trade Center and behaving away, she interpreted as celebratory. Police stopped their white van later that day and the FBI detained and questioned them. What is established? The five men were detained and investigated after the witness report.

2:22:10Their van was traced to Irvin moving systems. And press reports said they were in the US working without appropriate authorization or had immigration status issues. They eventually deported on immigration-related grounds after being held in question. The event became a focal point for claims that Israelis or the Mossad had prior knowledge of 9-11. Supposedly, we don't know. I don't know if there's a video, but these people were celebrating. They were celebrating when the twin towers went down. And this lady called it in. And they got arrested and detained. So there was probably something going on. There was something. I mean, they obviously weren't. They weren't. Can you just say, just kidding, my roommate isn't here. I'm still on the plane. No, they don't say that. They're going to fuck us up. They're going to fuck us up. They're going to fuck us up. We're in a good place now. We're in a better place. We're in a better place. We're in a better place. We're in a better place. We got her talking to you. Oh, air sees with us. This is in case. For tonight, since you took a lot of PCP, read this one. And then let your roommate handle the phone

2:23:10and call Poison Control. Oh, OK. I get it. I get it. I'm fine. The broader well established. Yeah. Akaida. That's so crats. Oh, funny. That's so funny. Yeah, I think they were involved, Israel. That's what I got from them. Well, you're a good guy. That's what I got. That's what I got. This seems like a graze to the end. I don't want to see. This is the case that comes back later. I told it was just kidding. Oh, yeah. That's the case we asked. No, the case we were planning. I'm relieved. No PCP was taken. You don't need to call Poison Control or anything per crossions. There was no having symptoms. The Dancing Israel's discussion is a real, often misrepresented 9-11 related incident. But it does not constitute credible evidence that Israel or Masad planned right. Yeah. Right. Don't not credible. But do you think it's possible that Israel had something to do with 9-11? Question mark? Ooh, now. I have the... If the public say it was, I can look. I'm not talking this with the 10th of a poll. Yeah, I want to know. Let's ask this. Do you think it's possible? Wow. Ooh, this is interesting.

2:24:10Yeah, right? This is like, I'm curious to see what they'll say. Anything to do. There's no way it says yes. There's just no way. No criminal evidence. I look at it and says that. The Israeli government of Masad has planned and enabled the finance operation. The evidence assembled by the FBI and bipartisan... Oh, it's bipartisan. Don't worry about it. The commission identifies the attack as an al-Qaeda operation, organized by some of the bin Laden's network and carried out by 19 hijackers. And those 19 hijackers? One of them. We know it was him because the plane that erupted in a ball of fire after it slammed 500 miles an hour into a giant fucking tower. His passport magically just didn't get burned and fell to the ground. And that's where they found it. The end. That finding of the passport is one of the craziest bits of what the fuck from that whole story. Then there's Tower 7. Tower 7 is the other one.

2:25:10Tower 7's strange. The whole, the, the guy who bought it beforehand. Insurance. Insurance. Insurance. And then not showing up to work that day. That's also very suspicious. A lot of people didn't show up for work that day. A lot of people didn't show up for work that day. Yeah. Oh shit. Ooh. Yeah, we know people have done shit like that in the past. The questions did they do at this time? Who did it? It was as simple as the story is. The thing is about the story, whatever the story is, you know, the hijackers, all kind of, it's never totally accurate. There's always some shenanigans with the story. Yeah, and then, and then Osama, the whole, like, Osama being involved, it's like, who is he working with? Who is he? There's just so much, there's so much of that story. There's always something to the story. Like, remember the Boston bombing? Wasn't part of the story that one of those kids might have been an FBI informant? Was that, I don't remember that. Is that alleged? I remember when that happened, like, Reddit went on internet detect,

2:26:12went on internet detective mode, and then they blamed a different guy, and like, completely upended that family's life. Really? Oh, damn. And that guy apparently had just died previously, because he was missing, and it was like a whole thing. Well, who knows if that was really Reddit, or if that was, like, foreign agents, or even, like, intelligence agencies, or, like, people love, whenever there's a real conspiracy to add a bunch of bullshit conspiracies. So, in the water, 100%. You always gotta think that, and some shit goes down, and then another thing, and another thing, and another thing, like, what's going on? It was muddy in the water. Did they think that one of those guys was an FBI informant? I just read something that didn't sound like that, but I do remember what she's saying. Yeah, there was a little something about it, right? Do you remember? I don't think that, when I went to just run the FBI's website, I think it's that they had looked into him previously. Not that he's an informant. But that's what the FBI says? That's why I'm trying to find some rules to claim this. Some people were alleging that he was an informant. And then there was a fact that Rolling Stone put him on the cover, like, and he looked hot. Yeah.

2:27:12And was that part? Yeah, I think it was like a terrorist, but it was a good looking guy. Yeah, a good looking guy. Yeah, the FBI visited him. The FBI had visited Tamerlin more than once before the attack, and asked him to report on the Chechen and Muslim communities. Okay, that's an informant. I need to become an informant. That doesn't mean that the FBI has categorically denied that either Sarnov's brother was ever an FBI source or that the Bureau tried to recruit him. What? That's a good thing to say if you're the FBI. I would say that too. Right, right. Yeah. What the fuck? Barely no that guy. Had prior FBI scrutiny in contact, they were trying to recruit him to be an informant. So whether or not he actually was an informant or not. Yeah. Well, even if you're trying to get him to be an informant, you know he's around something fucked up. You don't just randomly shoot a dart, like a random dart, be like, I wonder if he knows anything. Yeah. You clearly know something is going on with the, you know. Well, there's definitely been stuff that happens that they let happen,

2:28:12because I know it's going to be beneficial to them to let it happen. Oh, yeah, yeah. Never waste a good tragedy. You can be like, oh, I can spin this. Not just waste, but like allow it to take place. There's a lot of alleged stories about that with the Oklahoma City bombing. They allowed that to happen for what purpose. Well, apparently there was bomb squad people at the Oklahoma City building before it actually happened. There was people that were like scoping it out before it happened, which is really weird. There's also the weirdness of the, the size of the explosion that it's a fertility, fertility. It's a fertilizer explosion. So fertilizer bombs, they're not that potent. They don't have the kind of power to do the kind of damage that that one bomb did from a truck. Yeah, it took out like the whole, basically the whole final building. The whole final building. The whole final building. Not only that, it blew it outward, right? It didn't blow it like from the bottom, right? Whereas the bottom would be like huge crater in the ground. Yeah, it seems like there's some shit in the building that blew it outward.

2:29:14It's also reports of people like removing the bomb squad removing undetnated bombs later on. There's a lot of weirdness to that story, man. There was a second guy that supposedly was there, that everybody said was there, that they never prosecuted, they never brought him in. And this guy was like a completely different looking guy, looked like a Middle Eastern guy. There's a lot of weirdness to it. There's a lot of those things where they always like that. Because they pass laws after things like that happen. They pass laws like, look, like one of the things that came out of 9-11 was Patriot Act. Yeah, that was a big one, man. And then the Patriot Act too, we lost a lot of our rights because of that. We lost a lot of autonomy. Government surveillance became ubiquitous. And then there's a lot of government surveillance that we weren't even allowed. We weren't even aware of and isn't even allowed. That Edward Snowden unveiled. And Chelsea, what's her name? Manning. Manning. That shit.

2:30:14We didn't even know about that shit. And they were doing that. So a lot of that came after the Patriot Act and a lot of that came after 9-11. So like whenever something crazy happens like that and a bunch of people die, they jump right in there. Right. And then what was that act that, I think it was Obama that was like, the CIA's a lot of use propaganda within the borders now. Yes, yeah. It's like all of that came at the same time. What is that called? Smith Month. What is that called? I forget what that's called. Why would that be been, why would the, why would that be beneficial to the CIA using propaganda? To control the borders. Well, how would they pitch that? Because the enemy, we have to be able to use propaganda to confuse the enemy. We're looking out for America's best interest in the ability dirty. So we have to play dirty. So we have to pretend that some things going down. And this could easily be a lot of what we're seeing with all this UFO stuff. Yeah, it is like everyone keeps saying that like, oh, we have the proof. We have the proof. It just shows the proof at this point. Yeah, bitch, where's that proof? Yeah, at a certain point you're like, you know, you know, before Trump leaves office, one day, I'm going to just try.

2:31:14Send the text. Come on, dogs. Yeah, yeah. Let's find out what's up. Yeah. I'll tell you where I think it is. Let's fly there. Let's fly there. Smith Month. Usually me, when they invoke Smith Month, is historic restriction on domestic availability of government produced material intended for foreign audiences. So like if you have propaganda that's intended to work on foreign countries, which is a big part of like what USA did. It's what a part of these regime change organizations. That's how they got rid of Gaddafi, Libya, the fun of the rebels. Yes, the guy in Ukraine, domestic, I mean, they had a democratically elected president of Ukraine and we organized a coup. And got that guy tossed out. Yeah. Yeah, it's tricky, man. Yeah, it's a very scary. And then there was the, what was the NDAA? Oh, right. The detention authorization act that allowed indefinite detention of people without trial. Oh, fun.

2:32:15And all that came after 9-11. All that came, I think the NDAA, I think that was during Obama. But it was all just to stop terrorism. Yeah, and then they're like, oh, they'll give us their rights. We'll take them. Yeah. And then they're like, I don't know, we'll absolutely take whatever you give it. It is like that. They want the job to be easier. NDAA gets passed every year just to matter of what's in it. Right. But it was originally passed to the, for detention, the detention part, I think was, I want to say is 2011. When did, I mean, I think it was, it was the matter of which year. In the Obama administration, maybe it was 2008. I remember there was one where it was really scary for people. And Obama was like, don't worry, we would never use that. So why you've got to have it in there? Yeah. Yeah. The idea is like, you know, you catch some fucking Osama bin Laden indefinite detention.

2:33:16Confirm the authority of the US military to indefinite, yeah, 2012 NDAA indefinitely detain individuals, including potentially American citizens, captured in connection with terrorist activities without charge or trial until the end of hostilities. That is because you can, you can define a lot of thing as terrorist activities if you're convincing enough. Including selling drugs. Yeah. So if you're a weed dealer, you could be a terrorist and then they end the NDAA you. Right. Yeah. I just, it's the weed thing is so baffling. It's like one of the few things that both, like the people on both sides agree on mostly. It's most of the country thinks we should be legal. Yeah. It's just like the certain states that are fighting it, like here, like what, just let it be. There's people that are making this argument that marijuana is too powerful and that people could go crazy. And I think there's some validity to that for some people. I think some people who have a tendency towards schizophrenia already don't, you know, obviously no expert. I think there's something to that.

2:34:16No, I think that's right. It can like knock something loose. I think I'll describe it once. Especially if you go too hard and you don't know what you're doing. The way to fix that is, look, look, it's the same thing with alcohol. Alcohol, I can have a drink. You guys can have a drink. It's okay. Some people can have one. Some people can't. They get gerb lies. They get shark eyes. And they're off to the races. Yes. Like I have a buddy in mind and he'll tell me like I wish I could have a glass of wine. But if I do, I know I'm going to go get coke and the next thing you know, I'll be in jail. And I'll wake up and I don't, I won't know what the fuck happened. And I'll stole a car. He goes, I can't drink. He's like, I can't drink. So he knows. But like, I can. So should alcohol be illegal for me because he can't handle it, you know? Right. You give some people an edible and they go fucking crazy and think the world's flat. And if the government's out to get them. I'm one of those people. I think all three of us are. Yeah. I like that. I had, I had, the edible is on my eye. I've had one too many where it's been like, I didn't expect this at all. Oh, you guys messed the olden days.

2:35:17You guys weren't around during the days when it was only medical. When me and Joey Diaz first delved into the medical marijuana days, there was no reins on the dosage. No, my first, my first, I started smoking weed because of it became medical in California. So I first, okay, so what year was this? This was 2010. Okay. In 98. Oh, Jesus. I know you're talking about Lewinsky weed. 98. 98. They first started opening these places. I went to the Inglewood Wellness Center and I had to stop going because the guy who ran it got shot. I was like, yeah, I go to the hood to get weed. But it was one of the few places where you could buy it legally. You know, look, I'm always hurt. I always have like, you just go to a doctor and say, hey, I got back injuries. And weed helps me sleep. It does. Great. Bam. Medical weed. It was that easy. I was like, I'm a doctor. I was like, and they would sell these lollipops. And I would bring these lollipops with me to fear factor. And I would take a lollipop like before, like I'll be stuck on the lollipop before I was doing fear factor.

2:36:20But by the time this fucking action, I was like, God, I was in another dimension watching people ride bulls. Yeah, but it was a, Joey Diaz was the scariest because Joey would switch wrappers on you. You would get like a wrapper. There was like 25 milligrams and he would put it on a 250 milligrams. That's called Chiba Chus. Chiba Chus. Chiba Chus. Chiba Chus. Chiba Chiba Chus. They were goddamn terrifying. That was, they had a Chiba Chus and I was like, I don't think I can do weed in here. Yeah, I don't think that Chiba Chus was once. They don't make it 500s. Bro, who is that? Besides Joey Diaz, we did. Joey, there's a lot of those people there. They're what you would say. They live in the cloud. They're there all day long. And so their tolerance is insane and they build up to it. Look, I don't want to do that, but they seem fine. So it's like, who are we protecting? The only way to find out what to take and what not to take is to let people take it. Let people do studies. Let people share information. But more importantly, let rational people just take a puff or two of a joint and not put them in a fucking cage.

2:37:24Yeah. If you're just hanging out with your boys and you guys are going to watch a cool last movie and you hit a joint and then you go in to see the Odyssey. And you're saying they're like, oh, we thought I could wait. No one's getting hurt. No one's getting hurt. You're not committing a crime. You're not harming anybody. This is a normal thing that people should be allowed to do. If you know what you're doing. But the confusion is like, what does it actually do? My cousin smoked pot and he went crazy. Right. But was your cousin already on the road going crazy? Yeah. Like, I don't know your cousin. Like, I don't know what the fuck happened. I know some dudes that were already a little cracked. And then they took an edible or something like that and they got really cracked. I do know a few guys like that. Right. But I mean, what were they doing? Like, why were they doing it that way? Is it like drinking every day and becoming alcohol? Like, what are we talking about? Because it doesn't kill you and alcohol does. Right. So why is that one legal? No, we see one of our friends kind of have a mental episode with weed. But it was everything was leading that way anyway. Right. And then you had already on top of it. He was already doing acting rash. He was doing a lot of things and then COVID on top of it. And then he had a bad edible trip and then he kind of really lost it for a second.

2:38:25I know quite a few people at that. I know a guy who got arrested took his clothes off when he went to a church. It was like naked in a church that had a thazam. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But he was also already a little fucked up. You already had in that way out of there. Yeah. To block it for everyone else's soul. When most people use it rationally and most people use it rationally just like alcohol. And alcohol is available everywhere. Right. And we all agree that alcohol can make you crazy. It's responsible for so much violence. So many deaths. So many deaths. So many deaths. So many deaths. Desk by drunk driving. Desk by people drinking and getting fights. Drinking and shooting people. Drinking and all sorts of stuff you do when you're impaired that you shouldn't do. And yet we're fine with that. I mean no one would accept prohibition of alcohol at this point. Because we've experienced that freedom for so long. And also there's a giant industry. And for the most part people just have a drink or two with their friends. Most people. They have a drink or two and they're fine. Yeah. But then you see those six street fights. You know, I hope man. That's all I was saying. You guys are going today. Yeah.

2:39:25Who was crazy the one who said it's the greatest crazy. Our street is fucking terrifying. It's so funny to like be in such like a nice place at the end of that like. Even you walk out and you're like, oh, I'm gonna stop being a cop. I was in a war zone. Yeah. I don't even know what they could do to turn around. I mean, even if you opened up new like businesses down there, you'd have to do like. Some total overhaul of the way the police thinks. No, it's just impossible. The amount of people they tried opening the street. It doesn't work. They put it. Now it's closed again. It's still like the fights are coming. Yeah. You fight for it. Yeah. People were trying to opening the street to cars. And then you're going to have people run over by cars. Yeah. People were so used to walking down six street. Right. Right. Yeah. It was almost like a, it almost naturally happened. Because if you would, when the street was open, you would go down. And people would just be walking in the middle of the street. And you're like, oh, you can't have cars out here. And then on top of that, think about what you're doing. You have a bunch of places that sell alcohol. There's all these bars. People are going from bar to bar to bar. That's all these places are. It's just alcohol establishments. Right. So they go from bar to bar to bar. They're getting fucked up.

2:40:25And then they're getting in fights. And they don't even pad the concrete. You've developed a fighting arena with the worst possible arena. Like it's all concrete. Everybody's getting head brain damage. Everybody's getting head brain damage. Everybody's getting knocked out. Oh, man. It's pro. It is very funny when I see a fight. And I'll just see that Ritz sign in the back of the door. Probably on stage. It was the fight. It was the Ritz sign. I was there. I think that area, though, because it's okay, how it gives us some extra energy. I really do. I believe that too. I think that about the store. Because the store was on sunset. And all the crazies walked by. All the chaos. It's so funny about sunset. Now it's all like new developments in condos. So ironically, they've taken away so many of the things that the people would have gone down there for to begin with. I think like one of the one of the famous clubs is closing down there too. Because they just sold out to some sort of developer. House of blues is gone.

2:41:25House of blues is being gone. House of blues has been gone. They've been gone. They've been gone. Yeah, it's like we're seeing all those places for lease. Like some dude took a drive down there and filmed all the different places that are for lease on sunset. You're like, what? Yeah, sense it's a whole bit. It's even from when we were getting there. Because when we got there, the house of blues was on its last week or pretty much. That's when I got there. Yeah. But it was like, it's weird. There's way less foot traffic. There's way. It's one of the coolest nights. You remember Chewie? Did you know Chewie? We did not know Chewie. I've heard stories. Chewie was the man. We went Chewie was actually in a band. And they were really fucking good. And we went to see Chewie perform at the house of blues. So a bunch of the employees in the bunch of the comics, we went across the street to the house of blues. And Chewie was on stage just tearing it up, dude. He had like a blues band. And they were really good, man. He had a song called Chewie was going on. That's a great Chewie. That's a great Chewie. Well, it's going on. And he's jamming. And we're like, God damn, Chewie's fucking good. It was such a good times.

2:42:25House of blues was awesome. But we have a little bit of that energy on six streets. That feeling of wildness and craziness and what's going on outside. Oh, times 10. It's way crazier than the sunset was. Because people were walking right by it. Like it's always foot traffic. It's definitely chaotic. No, here now. This thing that's popping up is like these like Twitch streamers trying to get in the club while streaming. That shit's crazy, dude. Yeah. Yeah, they're all like, they're all like, they're all like the worst people. They're trying to get an R club? Yeah, they're like, you know, they're not like trying to sneak in or whatever. But they like, they know it's a club. So they'll be out in the like, act a fool in front of the club. Yeah, you'll see it. God, there's so much. Big Twitch streaming scene here in Austin as well. Well, everywhere. I think everywhere. I think anywhere there is a lot of people. There's so many people that just want to make some money, get an attention, doing something. It's really interesting watching them. Because I was at like this random Asian food festival. And I saw myself like next to one of like a really famous streamer that I recognized. And it was so interesting because on stream he's like doing his thing.

2:43:27And the second the camera was away from him, just shut down like a robot. It's like, oh, man. It's terrifying. Your whole life is performing. Your whole life you're in front of it. Like even his girlfriend's a famous streamer. So like even your relationship is like a performance in a way. Oh my God. It's really interesting. It's so funny to me that like Truman show was this like warning on what can happen to society. And like people look at that and be like, oh, that's like a model for my life. Like, I can actually just be Truman. Do you remember the McConaughey show? It was a very similar movie. What was it called? MTV. Yeah. What he heard it too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He plays like his brother. Yeah. But MTV was like the first time we'd ever seen that. It was like the idea of like reality. And the end he abandoned it. Yeah, he left it. He's like, this is stupid. Yeah, it seems like. You couldn't have said it. And they were all over it. 1999. Isn't that nuts? That's crazy. That movie fucked me up as a kid just because I remember that feeling. Like, wow, that's the idea. What we realized was crazy is now a job.

2:44:28Oh, and yes. Yeah. A big job. A big job. A very profitable one. Thousands and thousands of people do that job now. That's why. And this was a whole movie concept. Yeah. I wrote it through the first version of Twitch was called Justin TV. That's right. That's right. Wow. Wow, this movie was ahead of its time. I can't believe I forgot about this. So was the Terminator. Yeah. I can see it. Yeah. Yeah. That was it. Is it true that Sarah Connor got put to mental institution for attacking? An AI data center? Was that what she did? Whoa. I think that is the plot point because they address what she did to get into the Terminator 2 to get in a jail. Yeah. And I think she attacks a data center. And it might be AI. He's not that because there's a small plot point. But I know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah. Well, Derek has like a photographic memory from movies. So it's all I got, Joe. Yeah. It's crazy. Like, like, if you, like, like, Derek probably knows right now, like, just like the opening of Django. Like, like, word for word.

2:45:28Down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down. Django. And then the rocks come up and then the slaves start walking and it pans in. Yeah. Movies like that. Wow. Yeah. That's it. That's what we do on our Patreon. It's just Derek just describes the movie. But he does that for me. Whoa. Yeah. I'll tell him a home movie. Yeah. He'll do it. We have, yeah. He did one years ago with Airbud that's still on our YouTube right now. It's unbelievable. First of all, greatest movie of all. It's not even close. But yeah, he's like, he has like a- No, when I see a movie, I can't look. Like, even the Odyssey one time, I can tell you the whole thing just because it's stuck. Any movie, when I see a movie, it sticks with me pretty crazy. I don't know why that, but they stick with me. Rock and Reel. Jamie, is that the correct plot line? No. No. It's very, very close. They weren't talking about data though. They were just, she's more worried about the microprocessor that becomes Skynet itself. They're not, you know, this, talking about more about the CPUs. But what is she- No, she's a fa- No, she's a fa- It's a fa- She attacks a fa- She attacks a computer factory. Okay. That's a data factory. That's a data factory. Jamie's all about technicality.

2:46:28Yeah. That's what I'm talking about. It's a war. It's a war. It's a metal forgery. That's like he falls in the lava. That's not a data center. That's how he dies. They're back at the place where they're making it all. Remember? Is that the big attack? And then the arm gets saved and like that's- Yeah, that is like a big factory warehouse situation. It's so crazy. She was trying to warn us. Oh, that whole movie. That whole movie. Trying to warn us. I still think we're in this. I think we're in that scenario. Oh, what do you do? Oh, 100%. Yeah. How do you, the UAPs we see are the John Conner's coming to save us from the T- The T-800s or whatever they're sending ahead. Or like some sort of matrix world where there's the batteries, the organic batteries. That's for sure coming. Yeah. You know, as soon as they dry the earth, the water- You said a bit about that. I don't know about what the water- Just battery. Yeah. It might be real. Oh, yeah, that might be real. It might be real. Did you ever see an alternate entity too? I did not know that there even was one. What is it?

2:47:28She's alive. 30 years later, John became a senator and stopped it from happening. I never even heard of it. That shit's peritail. Never even heard of it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I have had that thought of just like, man, maybe they'll hook us up to like some tube and be like, this is the simulation world. Jim, what is that one? There's one science fiction movie from God. I want to say like the 1930s. Is it called Metropolis? That's like the first one. Yes. What year was that supposed to be taking place in? It got remade recently too. Right. Yeah, the remake. I heard the remake was really good, but nobody liked it. 1927. 1927. What was it supposed to be about? What year was it supposed to be about in reference to? It's really cool. If you watch it, like what they thought the future was going to be like, it's really cool. It's really interesting. It was dope in the world. Yeah. I just thought it says. Let's show me some video of it. It's pretty dope because you got to think like this is people in the 1920s imagining what,

2:48:32I mean, back then they only have machines, right? Right. They didn't really think of AI and computers and all that jazz, but this was their version of everything going bad with technology. Yeah, he's like, he's like, he was a German Jewish director. I remember that because he has another great movie about a guy, a serial killer that's incredible. These are all the human slaves going to the data center. Okay, weird it is, man. Damn. It says, it says, I clicked on those. It wasn't running, running. It's running really bad. I'm pretty sure it's a silent movie. Fit man, really bad. I'm pretty sure it's a silent movie. Oh, it is. Yeah. Yeah. I think the first talkies were like, wasn't it? It was close, it's right around the same period. I think 31 or 29. That was the first talkie. It's jazz singer. I mean, this set is incredible. I was about to say the shots are still very impressive. Yeah, yeah. What's the guy, is it like Fritz Lane? Did you see the jazz singer? Yeah. So that is the blackface one. Oh, that's interesting. Whoa, this is wild.

2:49:33This is what they thought the future was going to look like. Al Jolson, yeah, that's blackface. The future head, so you could see what the crazy shit looked like. Yeah. Damn. Look, flying cars and shit. That's what they thought. Fritz Lane, right? Is that his name? I think it's that. I think it's Fritz Lane. I think it's Fritz Lane. They're not, I mean, the buildings are right. Pretty close. Yeah, that's pretty accurate. Pretty close. I wonder what weird shit they envisioned. It doesn't say what when it takes place. Whoa, guys are making out. Yeah. Oh, they got that right. Gay stuff. I'm like, bro, gay hands off me. What the fuck are we doing? Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. No, no, what's up with the pants? You have a pants or interesting? Oh, he's very upset. Scoot your head, like way ahead. Let me see some more future shit. Yeah, let's see what the middle is looking like here. Oh, that's the robot. That's right, bro. Looks fuckable enough. Not yet. Got a breast skin on it. You guys saw it.

2:50:34Thanks, Mark. Yeah, oh, man. That's why I top 20. Yeah, that's why the guys were doing it. Top 20 favorite movies. Damn, that's the tower of Bebble. I know. Yeah, here's the tower of Bebble. That's crazy. I know the tower of Bebble. Man, I might have to rewatch this film. Oh, that's tough. Is it? Yeah, but you got to kind of do it through like a historical lens and just think, oh my god, what were people like in the 1920s? I mean, this is a massive feat of movie making in the 20s. Oh, this is incredible. How about the robot itself? Yeah, that's what that is. That's incredible. Fucking nuts, man. What about the new one? Who was in the new one? That's Adam Driver and Coppola directed in Shilobuff. The story, Shilobuff and Coppola have like gotten a huge fights over the movie. Kind of overshadowed the movie. That's all I know about it is that like I've seen all the behind the scenes of them just arguing with each other and him telling him how he's the worst. And Shilobuff's like, oh, I'm the worst. I'm worse than fucking Martin Brando. It's pretty crazy. I don't know what this sound. It didn't seem that bad. I've seen those clips too.

2:51:34I heard it's good. That's some like not tongue and cheek, but like. He's challenging on one set. Shit. It looks dope. It looks incredible. Coppola's awesome. Fucking. I didn't know Shilobuff was a part of this. Yeah, he's like, yeah. I remember one night, this came pretty cool. John Voitz in it. Is that John Voitz? Jean-Carla Esposito. He's great. Oh, whoa. No, this cast is, I mean. I, this might be one of those movies that just slipped past us. Because I had a couple of friends tell me they thought it was really dope. And it came out. 2024 wasn't like a great year for people to go out to movies, either. I like how they're still putting John Voitz movies. Yeah, it is. For a while, he was persona non-grata. He's back, right? He really upset with him. Why were they upset with him? Conservative. Super conservative. Yeah, I thought the one thing that Coppola said during this, when he was arguing with Shilobuff, he's like, why do you think I'm making this movie? I don't need to. This is fun for me. I'm here to have fun. And that's what took on a project like this, like remaking one of the oldest movies of all time.

2:52:35Megalopolis. Megalopolis. That's what it was called, yeah. Kind of a bad name. I know, I guess it's. Yeah, this is a lot ofolis, but still I think it's. Metropolis is the 1926. Yeah, written by Fitz Lang. So that's his version of it. Does it take place? What do you think it takes place? Yeah, when does it, it's going to be in World Island. Oh, the world of 2026 AD. Yo. Oh, that's this year. Wow. Oh, that's. Oh, that's crazy. We got to watch this. That's cool. The 1984 Rescored version, likewise included a title card giving the year is 2026. Mm. Oh, they added a 2000. And they're like, that's unrealistic. Some doesn't say anything. Doesn't specify, but obviously we can infer that it's 2026. Damn. Um, the, what is the Rotten Tomato Score of the new one? That's a good Megalopolis. I'm glad to get it. Rotten Tomatoes is pretty good. I usually people, the people score the people score exactly the right is the right way. Bro, the fucking critics scores dark. Yeah, wrong about everything.

2:53:36Well, that's Megalopolis. 60. Oh, not good. Let's see what the, what do the people say? The critics said 46 or the people said 46. Critics said 46. People said 34. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Forget it. Forget what I said. Yeah. I'm not saying no chances and anything under 70. No. No, under 70. So people are saying under 70 is right. Oh, fuck all the way off. God, you got to see the Odyssey show. I know what I do. It's the greatest movie I know. I know I do. I'm just so busy, man. It's so hard for me to do anything. Also, I don't know how you would go to a movie theater anyway. I can. I do. I go to grocery stores. I do normal shit. Really? Most people just say hi. Okay. That's sick, dude. I ran into Brian Cahn at the grocery store the other day. He's like, you go shopping for groceries? That's how you get groceries. I'm not going to chance on this. I'm not going to. Walking down the HB fucking avocados in my basket. He can't be trapped.

2:54:38You know, you can't just decide. You can't go anywhere. That's crazy. Well, then you lose your connection to people. 100%. And you just become weirdo. And you become, though, and then you see how far out of the neighborhood. Weird enough, man. I'm plenty weird. I don't need to be more weird. Yeah. So Eddie Murphy and his doc, he said that somebody said it to me. He was like, I'm not going outside anymore. He just stopped going outside. And science thought to somebody was like, hey, let's go get a coffee. And he was like, oh, you mean just us walk? And he was like, yeah, motherfucker, let's just walk. And he did. And he said he made him realize like, oh, I've been hiding. Like people were just like, oh, what's up, Eddie? Like, and he was like, that's all that happened. He's like, it wasn't like, he said also, though, when he was younger, people would mob him. Everybody wanted to fuck. Just don't go to Portland, Bar with XXX. Why should we? Just kidding. Well, if you did that, it'd be national fucking. He wasn't you. Absolutely. What are you doing? You're a fashion. Yeah. Fascist Joe Rogan. I saw some crazy video where there was some socialist conference. And this lady had a mask on. And she was talking about how we can't try to be fit like the fascists. And she was like talking about fitness.

2:55:38And then fitness and optimizing your body being like a fascist idea and connected to white supremacy. I'm like, this is the craziest cope. I've never seen for you being lazy. Yeah. Yeah. You're a cheap scientist. It's going around Twitter today. It's all over the place. I also find it interesting that the biggest pro-socialist people right now are all pretty rich. That's why I don't trust it. It's all the big socialists people are like, they're money people. Mombani comes from money. Oh, you mean the income from money? Yeah, a son-piper. It's super rich. Listen to this lady. They're all rich as hell. Listen to this. You have to give up the fantasy of being fitter than the fascists. It's not just that it's cringy. She's got a mask on. It's cringy. It's cringy. Oh, it is. That guy next door. So cringy, Rade. I think it's also politically revealing. They pull the mask on. That's politically revealing. They're in a relatively disposability under capitalism.

2:56:41Our task is not to become less disposable, to become more useful to the ruling order. What we all need to be doing is rejecting disposability in all of the ones. Pause. This bitch is reading this off on MacBook. You know, crazy that is. Anti-capitalist reading off of a MacBook. But also, also, what would be more useful to the ruling order if the populist was slow and fat. Like, that's what I mean. It's like all these rich people telling you to be slow and fat. It's like, what's happening? Just a mask. She's not fat. Oh, yeah. The mask thing is wild. It is one of the weirdest things that's going on in our society today is the people that are insistent on continuing to wear masks. It's so stupid. Look at her with glasses sitting on the mask. That is fucking nuts. The mask thing is nuts. You're talking into a microphone with a mask. And it's 2026. And if you want to be on the far extreme, you must have the mask on all the time.

2:57:43You have to. Or you're not on the right team, Joe. That is wild that they never got rid of the mask. That is really wild. Was this the other day? Oh my god. Keep going. Give me some more. Point is not to beat the fascists at their own game. It is not to lay a better claim on their own territory by being fitter, more eugenic. In fact, the more disgenic, the better, I think. What? Revolution is not a contest between optimized and properly prepared bodies. But it is, though. That's right. It's precious to know yourself. And it races the history of left struggles around the world. Oh, it races the history of struggles around the world when you do setups. God. Yeah. The black people. Yeah, I want to erase Gaza, do pull ups. Yeah. Also, yeah, to be like, I care about struggles around the world as an American white lady with a MacBook. It's like, hey. Hey, lady. And a mask on.

2:58:44Yeah, what do you really know? Fucking crazy. It's wild. But there's a lot of people that just feel completely left out and they feel like, oh, I can fit in with these people. They'll accept me. As long as you say the right things and wear the mask, they'll take you in. Right. Just a group. People just want to not be alone. We'll call. Well, people just want. People want community and stuff really badly. I think the worst thing that one of the worst things we've done is that people have called their online area community. I'm part of this community. It's like, no, community has to be like, you're with people. And people are so, I think it's all time. It's like, we're lucky as comics that when we go out, we just meet other comics and we hang out. Like, we have a built in community. That's why I think things like religion, like church attendance is going up and all these things are coming back because it's like, oh, I need real people to talk and connect with. Yeah. Like you were saying, when you started playing slow-pitched softball. Dude, change my life dog. Slow-pitched softball. Slow-pitched softball. Change my life. I love it. It's all of a sudden you're now on a team. Yes. And we're meeting every week and we're having fun.

2:59:44And it's like, oh, that's the whole thing. It's like people being around human beings. You get so locked into your phone, which is showing you while you want to hear, which is terrible for you. Like you think you're in a community when you're just in some kind of bubble of some sort. And this idea that everybody that's not like you is a fascist, that everybody going to the gym is a fascist. Are you going to the gym? Rock climbers or fascists? You know, right? You think people doing yoga? Are fascists? Are they fascists? Are they fascists? Marathon runners, are those fascists? Fascists. And then all you're doing is you're excluding these people who might agree with you from being part of your team. Well, maybe not. They're so far gone. Yeah, that's gone. That's gone. I mean, that's like Patriot Front on the left. It's like you go all the way to the right and all the way to the left to get crazy people. Right. Yeah. And that's the problem being on either team. You have to accept the ideas of the people that are the furthest to the left and the furthest to the right. They take them in. Yeah, well, your teammates. Well, the left does the thing where if you're not left enough, you're automatically right. And the right seems to be a little more like welcoming.

3:00:45Oh, yeah. In terms of if you believe something different, there is still a path for you to be a quote unquote teammate. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I mean, but it's also it's like, why are we on any fucking team? I don't think we should be on any team. Well, also, I have thought this, because like everyone's algorithm is so like specialized to them, like there's almost nothing that everyone can, like there used to be big TV shows and big stuff that you could just like talk to other people about and have a common connection. But now since everyone is so specialized in which they watch, which they watch, the only thing we have in common is politics. Yeah. And now we're just primed to get mad over it. Yeah. Like it's way more of our life than it used to be. Especially if we're talking about older people that are never gonna have kids. Ooh. Yeah. That's their whole life. Their whole existence. And most people aren't having kids now. The majority of people are way more. A lot more on our kids. Yeah, dude, I've just turned 34. Derek is like the, like Derek is the only one of my comic friends that has a kid, I believe.

3:01:47And out of even my close friends back home, only like two or three of them have kids. Most of them don't. Jamie was telling me how many people are virgins now, which is really crazy. Well, yeah, it's like, we talked about less than we're here. It's like a thing. It's like a thing, like a thing. Yeah. Well, it's also a thing with religion. You know, that's they've wrapped it up in religion that God doesn't want you shacking up. He doesn't want it. He doesn't like it, Joe. Is that real? That God doesn't like fucking it. Is that in the Bible? Does the Bible tell you, you can't have sex before you're married? It must in some way. It must say some version of to, I don't think so. Let's ask for complexity. Yeah. And for complexity, ask in, specifically the New Testament. In the New Testament, does it ever say you can't have sex? Oh, that's a lot of. Old Testament. Old Testament, you don't fuck. My whole Testament tells you you can have slaves. Yeah. You can sell them. One of the funniest Genesis stories is that God asks, I think his name is Onan, to like come in his, like brothers, his brother died. So he's like, come in your brother's widow and he comes on the ground and God kills him.

3:02:47God killed him. God killed him because he pulled out. Mm-hmm. New Testament does not contain a single sentence phrased exactly, do not have sex before marriage. But the mainstream Christian reading is that it teaches sexual intercourse belongs within marriage and treat sex outside the covenant as sexual immorality. Someone added that shit later though. Avoid sexual immorality. Paul writes, flee from sexual immorality. Paul also killed a whole bunch of Christians before he ever turned around. He grounds and he burns churches, like Paul was a motherfucker and then it's like, oops, sorry. He literally said that, man. Grounds the idea that believers' bodies belong to God and should honor God. So Paul said that. Marriage is the proper setting for sexual relations, Corinthians, and seven, two, five, Paul speaks of each man having his own wife and each woman, her own husband, in the context of avoiding sexual immorality, then discusses mutual sexual obligations within marriage. Oh, you got to put out. Paul said you got to put out. Yeah. Because you think he's like, Paul never even met Jesus. All right. Yeah.

3:03:47Paul wrote all this shit 20 years after Jesus was dead and said that he met Jesus in a vision. Oh, it's very morning. Yeah. Well, so Jesus never wrote anything. Oh, right, that's a good point. So it's like everybody's playing this crazy 20-year game of telephone with what Jesus said. And then you get to, you can't have sex before marriage. And you get one guy who killed a whole bunch of Christians before he turned it around. And he's not even saying that it's other people's interpretation of his word. Make sure that's correct. Paul killed a bunch of Christians. I think that's correct. I think he killed Christians and I think he burned churches. Yeah, and then like on the road to, where's it? Damascus. Yeah, everything came. He had a vision. How convenient. Yes, the apostle Paul then called Saul. He changed his name just like, you know, like Christian general with K. Taylor Jenner. Like when it was Bruce, he killed the guy, a lady, you know? Bruce? But they're transitioned though. That wasn't even me. Accidentally killed someone. It wasn't murder. Accidentally drove a car into an oncoming traffic.

3:04:50Actively persecuted early Christians and voted for their deaths. Although the Bible designed, he's basically describing him striking a fatal blow with his own hands. So he definitely called for the deaths and was responsible for the deaths. Yeah. Go back. And that's the guy. It says, before his conversion, Saul tried to destroy the early church. Arrests, he went into houses, dragged away men and women and put them in prison. Wow. Okay, go show more. It says, later stated in Bible gateway that he persecuted the followers of Jesus to their death. Yeah. Stephen Stoney, the first man, yeah. Wow, the first Christian martyr. Wow, the first Christian martyr. Watch the coats of the men who threw their stones. Damn, approved the execution. Yeah. That one believers approved it this. Wow. He was a motherfucker, dude. Right. And then this is the guy that is telling everybody, don't fuck before you marry. Yeah. And then.

3:05:51Yeah. This is say anywhere in the Old Testament, the Cannot Primarily 6. I don't. I can't believe it didn't say that though. My whole life, I've been crazy there. It's kind of crazy that it's one guy too. I, yeah. And it's this one guy that says, just says, Jesus came to him in a dream. Yeah, there's so much of like, just religion that you just put on, like you just let other people. I remember in seventh grade, I was at, I was in mosque one day. And it's my, when my dad would like take me to mosque. And I remember just having a panic attack being like, I'm just supposed to trust this guy's word that he knows what God wants. Well, how about in the days before Martin Luther, where you couldn't even read? You couldn't even read, yeah. And I've read it. So this is in the 1500s. It was until the 1500s that they had phonetically transcribed and translated the Bible into other languages so you could actually read it. Because it was all Latin back then, right? So they really thought that person was giving it the word. I was sent to a book about the who wrote the Bible thing. And it like for the Old Testament, no one knows. They didn't even think about who wrote stuff back then.

3:06:55It was not a discussion, authorship, no one cared. This is a collection of stories. Yeah, so when Moses, the leader, it was like in the word of Moses. So like editor kind of is how they looked at it. Like Moses edited that stuff for a poor and charged with Moses edited those stories down. Yeah. It's a long gamble. Also if Moses edited it, there's a lot of Exodus where Moses does not look good in my mind. Yeah, Moses is pretty fun. Yeah, because it also like all those miracles that like, like if you read it, it's like Moses is too afraid to do it. So he has his brother Aaron do everything. And Aaron does everything for him. He like goes to the fair on talk some and the only reason why everyone hates like the cast of that Aaron is Aaron was part of like the golden bull. When Jesus, when Moses goes down from the mountain, but like Aaron did so much of that. It was actually kind of crazy. There's so much stuff in there that you like with lot in his children where his daughters fucked him. I mean, great fucked him. Yeah. I've always thought. What? What?

3:07:55Yeah. Well, what's even funny is that earlier in Sodom and Gomorrah, he like offers his, like he or fuck my virgin daughters. And everyone's like, no, we're just gonna keep fucking dudes. But he just offers them up. And yeah, yeah, it's about the one dude where the kids are calling him bald. And so he has a she bear coming kill him all. Elijah. Elijah. Elijah. Yeah, dude. That's what I wanted. It stops attacking Moses. Oh. Oh. This is George R. Yeah. It's a fucking old testament. It's crazy. There's so many good ones. There's one where Rachel steals something from her dad. And to hide it, she sits over it.

3:08:56And the dad's like, get up. And Rachel's like, I'm on my period. And it has like, oh, that's gross. And just leave. Yeah. Stay there. No move. I'm gonna go. You are unclean. God damn it. Was this one, Jamie? That's circumcision story. Yeah. Bible's most cryptic and unsettling scenes on the journey back to Egypt. God confronts Moses sought to put him to death. Moses is wife, Zaporo, immediately circumcises their son with a flint. Touches his feet with the foreskin. Calls Moses a bridegroom of blood and the threat ends. Yeah. Because the other guy was fucking like, what is going on? He's got a truncist dick off. Yeah, he wouldn't dare. Now again, was Zaporo suffering from postpartum depression? That's the next question they have to ask. I think that ends our lesson for today. But let's contemplate how the Lord can help your life. Solid show. You guys two together, hilarious podcast. Available everywhere, right? Yes, sir. And comedy mode ship.

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