249 - Overlord Trazyn the Infinite

0:00". Hello and welcome back to Lorham. Ooh, look at all the faces on the screen. We got a Necron episode, Trays in the Infinite and everyone was just chomping at the bit to get on this one. I myself never read the books, I'm like, okay, so that's rule number one. You have to read the books to talk about Trays and so we got Gerald here, our avid reader. Hello, hello, oldest Cloder. I've only read part of it before part of Infinite, the vine before I got too busy, but I have it in my collection and I did, of course, get the new one that came out. So, no, that's perfect. That way you won't be able to spoil the book.

1:01So we'll get the teasers without the spoilers. So that's perfect for where we're at. Absolutely. And then we also got fishy here joining us just to make me giggle. What's going on? It's nice to know that's what I'm good for. Yeah. At least I have a use as a post-want question. Yeah, it makes me giggle in a friendly face. So it's like, oh, you're not from me. Yeah, yeah, we do. Have you ever read a Warhammer book? I'm working my way through the Siege of Racks at the moment. OK. So, you know, all about the Kriegs. So I figured it's about time that I learned to read and therefore read a Warhammer book. Yeah. So yeah, I've been very slowly been collecting the Horace Heresy series. Yeah, that's a small one. And then I'm just going to read it in a one of ones I've collected them all. That one, that one's like, you wait till you're on your death, and then you read through it when you're like, well, now it's the perfect time to waste. Absolutely. I'm Ben Nant. Read through the Heresy.

2:02And joining up for the first time, we got Turenna Girl from Instagram. Welcome to the show. Hello. I feel like the expert now, because I've in fact read both the books and the short stories and the fall of KJ in the middle. So really, you guys will amateurs this in comparison. Yeah. Not really. I really did this. I've never even read 840 key books. So like, if you got that on me then. Oh, no. Oh, that is terrible. This is like my 26th book this year. I'm nice. That's a happy reader. In your day, I never said I was professional. So in your defense mug, in your defense mug, you can't read at all. So you do have a... Yes, it's not my fault. It's not my fault. We work with the guests for giving. But yeah, no, we're hyped to have you on. You have a Instagram following and a couple of my listeners definitely pointed out you should get around the show. She has some fun content.

3:03So yeah, tell us about what you do on it. She has questions. It's just questions. I guess that's perfect. Every idea can kind of stem from that. Do you have a question for today? Well, obviously, why haven't you read the books before doing this? What's the biggest question? I will tell you. I will tell you. I kind of divide the universe into two settings. Like the canon of the universe would be like, Codex's, Rural Books, kind of that vibe. And then you got the novels and they are canon, but they add the flavor to them. I like reading an encyclopedia more than reading a novel. If that makes sense. No, that's the time. I know, it's sick. It's gross. I should be put down for it, but... Oh, yeah. Wait, that's fun. Somebody has to know the sense for details. I only know the stories. Yeah, no, and I do hear Tresan. His story is incredible. And honestly, I probably will listen to it. I hear nothing, but like...

4:03And events become like a cult classical and say in 40K. Yes, definitely. I agree. It's one of the best books I reckon I'm 40K. A bit of that... This is awkward. It's Robert Rath. So... On both of them? Yeah, Robert Rath, he did the infinite divine, the fall of Kedia and then the walk to the wicked. They all kind of run one after the other. So he has a really good writing style, really good books, nice. Cool. Yeah, well, in this episode, we're going to try to avoid spoiling those books. We're going to cover a little bit, like give you a little bit of setup for those books. But we are definitely going to be focusing more so on his personality character. His cabinet of curiosities, man, he has objects in there that we can discuss. So my question of the day, and I'll put this maybe on the lore hammer Instagram channel, is would you rather be locked in Trasen's basement or mine? You can work that out and post on the discord.

5:05Corporate once you find the difference between these two pictures. Yes. Sure. But you have to choose. You have to, at the end of the show, choose one of the two. So, unfortunately, I don't have a name. They have not a hot choice. Yeah, no. You're going with heels. So yeah, if you... It... Well, what? Get it off the show. Get it off the show. No, I'll be... Yeah. If you don't have a basement, does that mean I just get to live with you? That's not dream come true. My house is built on the ocean, my friend. The basement is the ocean. It's so... Fish by name. Yeah. Oh, yes! Yes, fishy. We've worked it out. New poll. New poll. Cool. Well, let's do some quick housekeeping and then we'll dive into this awesome episode. Come join the discord. It's a lot of fun. There's links in the description below. You can join the Patreon. Support the show. There's ad free versions for $2.50. You can even just throw me $50 if you want.

6:07Doesn't hurt. Kind of helps even believe it or not. But, yeah, support the Patreon at Lorhammer. And we live streams. So if you have your own opinions on Trayson, you can join, call in at the end of the show and tell us what you think. And we'll post that link in at the end. Yeah, looking forward to this episode of the chat, sayin'. So let's dive into it. This episode, yeah, we're going to give you guys a little bit of context from what the Necrontur are. The great sleep and the awakening. I feel like those kind of are essential. Beyond that, I think we should be good with Necront lore. Then we dive into Trayson's history. It's a very long history, very convoluted with lots of little details. We'll cover some of it. Which Trayson, I don't think history matters. It's in his name, essentially. He's infinite. He will eventually have seen everything and done everything and collected everything. It just doesn't matter of time. So it doesn't really matter if he did an M32 or if he's going to do an M50, in my opinion. So we tried to keep his history a little bit shorter, but we will cover some key details.

7:08Like his rivalry with Orkan, the rate of soloments, the 13th Black Crusade and his rivalry with the Salamanders and Fort Fathers. So, and then we'll get into his goals, his appearance, soloments, his kind of dynasty home world, his personality appearance, philosophy, relationships. He's got a couple with a couple different people, a couple of rivalries brewing. And then finally, his equipment from personal equipment to assets all upon the social worry, which we'll talk about all those little details. And then we'll get into his collection from what allows him to collect from Tesseract Labyrinths to what's actually in it, such as like the prismatic galleries in the first contact exhibit. So lots of cool little things that I think would spend a lot of time this episode just looking around his little museum, seeing what else we could find. So yeah, let's take it away and see where this journey takes us, I guess. Like I said, we will try not to spoil the books.

8:09And if we do feel like it's absolutely necessary, we'll try to drop you a spoiler and keep it nice and clean for you. Yeah. Start with a refresher. Fantastic. And don't worry, dear listeners, I do have a quilt pulled up for, at some other point in that episode, it's not from any of the books, but it is from his episode of Hammer and Bolter, which is a very good one if you haven't seen it. So, back to the refresher. The Necrons here. The Necrons here were the mortal ancestors of the Necrons born on a radiation blasted home world that left them plagued by sickness and short morbid lifespans. Their mortality obsession shaped their culture with cities built more as tombs than homes and pushed them to develop crude, space-bearing technology, eventually bringing them into contact with the old ones and setting the stage for the war in heaven and the biotransferents that remade them into Necrons. Yeah, the old classic Necrons story, even though it's 60 million years old, it survived.

9:12It's funny, like when we first started Lord Hammer, that was one of the first episodes we did, like 250 episodes ago. And now I feel like there's been so much added to it that we could go back and cover some more in heaven. Yeah, you almost need to refresher on all of the lore that's been added to quite frankly, almost everything nowadays. All right, burn the catalog down, start at 10. But I always find it funny that 60 million years ago, we know all about the Necrons here, but the Imperium can't remember how they built a tank 10,000 years ago. You can't. You try building a tank, okay friend? That's because they're computers, they have a memory, they're not like people who died off of the generations. Yeah, true, true. Fair point. The one who were better knew with that. Necron lore too that I never really knew they had till recently was they have like the AI world engine,

10:13so to actually control kind of all the systems and all the functions and like, you know, for that 60 million sleep that we'll talk about, somebody had to keep the kind of things pump in and moving. So they had these cool AI bots, it did all for them. So that's not scared of AI. Yeah, I'd say, well, we're already robots, so you can't do that to us. Exactly. It's the star guards who got to look out for those guys who'll get you. Hang on guys, hang on. The Necrons like AI, where's technology going at the moment? Are we the Necrons here? I think we could be when you read up on them, I'm like, I swear, they seem more human than the humans do. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's no getting out of it now. We're all doing it. Yeah. That's it. Like, we've spent way too much time on the internet. They never had that privilege,

11:13and so they are acting more human than us. We're just right. So the great sleep after the war in heaven and the revolt against the Catan left the Necrons shattered. The silent king, I can't ever pronounce Necron names, so I do apologize if someone wants to say it for me for the first time, and I will attempt to copy. Zeric. Zeric. Thank you very much. Ordered the survivors into Stasis crypts to sleep for 60 million years, hoping they'd reawaken to rebuild their fallen empire. He himself didn't join them instead destroying his own command protocols, and leaving the galaxy behind. The slumber didn't go smoothly though. Many two world suffered catastrophic failures over the eons, destroying millions of dormant Necrons. What a horrific scene for some of these planets. Like the ones at the end that no bio transference is happening.

12:16The ones at the beginning maybe did it willingly march into the furnace, not quite aware, but then by the end you're dragging them with robot skeletons into the furnace, kicking and screaming men, women, children, like, upgrade for the baby, but everyone else kind of sucks to get going to the furnace. Mm-hmm, but baby gets cool. Well, it was only good for like the lords to go in the furnace. Everybody else was effectively just like deleted. Yeah, essentially. Well, they all lost their minds. They're all just like mindless drones now. It's only the overlords and a bar that was actually worth while. Yeah, they somehow like kept the circuitry of their brain from the hue or not the brain, but like the power system, but then turned off the function of it, you know, like suck your soul out, put it in, but you can't really access anything. It sounds what happened, kids. Yeah. It's because they deem them worth it, didn't they? Right from the beginning, even before when they were in their frontier, all the lower people, they had no worth them at all.

13:17So they didn't bother giving them good bodies. Yeah, like and even in like their like higher up, it's like a huge class system where it's a game of politics. So yeah, if they're like killing their second cousin and not thinking twice for power. Yeah, those those download people they are they don't care. No, they were just they were just kind of bothered just numbers. As much as we like to give the L.D.R. and the Imperium of Man shit for, you know, doing those same exact things. No, the irony's not lost on us. Listen, we do for humanity, not to humanity. There's a difference. There's never a difference. I always argue this, the Imperium is a bad guy. I'd rather be a knackron and we were like, you want to be a normal knackron. What about tyranny? Or is it a fraud? Knackron a tyranny, which one? You see tyranny, tyranny, it's that I only think they're like cells in a body.

14:21Like there's only one brain. It could just be one organism. I think they they can like value their cells the same night. We don't value that. I don't know. I obviously have a beard beyond tyranness. No, I like it. I like it. Okay. Okay. So you're keeping a personality being a high queen of a tomb, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I have a tomb where I've ruined the list. They don't really have anything about gender, do they? Like they can be either they don't have any like discrimination. Some of the leaders are women. It's just they are. I do like like a lot of the third party models too. They do make like the the female version. It's always funny, but like I do like that they have that option because I feel like they do have that like. There's no use for it, but there's still like a vanity almost for like both male and female. Like this is who I was like they kept their humanoid form. But yeah, there's also something about like this like more royal and less like more or nateness. Always love those menus. Yes, we tell they saw themselves, wasn't it?

15:23That's that personal view of themselves, which only applies if you're high up and you got the good deal. Yeah. Case in point, one of the newer Necroman books, Team World, is the main character's name, Kempit, and I believe this is supposed to be her on the cover art and she doesn't really look distinguishable from another higher up over Lord. So sorry, so flash that one more time. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So she doesn't have much. No. Maybe, maybe you could say it's a little more slender in the thighs there, but also maybe I'm just being a pervert hard to say. I just wrote what's on there. They were all just the same pretty much like. So you'll be up. So your pro female neckron, but anti female primaries. I also like encyclopedia books and hate novels, you know, I can say I should be put down not given a podcast, but here we are.

16:28Do you do dirty talking binary? I don't, I don't jack and tell, buddy. You talk about neckcrimes too much. People will send me whole bits of conversation in binary and I then have to go and translate online to understand what they're saying. So because I actually speak binary. But people seem to shoot my dude, but yeah, that's how many it gets when you get into neckcrimes, people are saying. That's a better comment section. They'll be turning it once, which is like. The thing is they wouldn't even use binary with it because they're not they're not robots the same as like the abmex you have that my not cam. Yeah, they have a whole separate system. So really, it doesn't make any sense. Yeah, like. Yeah, I agree with what you're saying. And let's just take that one step weirdly further. Like the language of math is universal.

17:30Is computer math universal like that? Maybe this doesn't quite make sense. No, mine. I don't think I can formulate it properly. No, zero, zero, one, zero, one, zero, one. But you have to flash some lights at the same time if you're in that crime because they have that thing with that nodes that give away how they're feeling. So you can say one thing, but if you're flashing, you like it's different. Are we leaning towards what is it? Semaphore like they used in World War Two ships where they flash lights more so. Now I'm putting it all together. It's much more clear. Yeah. All right, well, tell us about the awakening there. All the Necroion get put to sleep. Eventually, they do wake up. Okay, so you want me to read this bit now? Right. Be a wakeening. Rather than rising all at once, Necroion Tombworlds have reactivated and scattered waves throughout history,

18:33with most stirring during the later years of the 41st millennium, while billions still lay dormant. Early contact, often when unnoticed, was quietly suppressed, as when farcea, farcea, L-Rad, all-thran, I don't like their names, preemptively destroys an imperial expedition to stop it from waking a tombworld. This slow, piecemeal resurgence is what now drives individual dynasties to reclaim their old empire. Okay, so who has the worst names, Tao with their like, Oh, Chatholton, or is it, you know, the Elisabeth names? All of the names. Even the appearing names, none of them make any sense. Do you know who has the best names, though, the Orgs? That's true, they get fun names, they make names. It's said exactly as it's spelled, and it does exactly what it says on the tin. Yes. Okay.

19:34That was an easy one. So eventually all the Necroion do wake up, and it's interesting, the Necroion wake up in M41. There are a couple of stragglers that wake up later, a couple predecessors that might wake up sooner, but the vast majority of them, yeah, M41, which means they're a very recent thing. And in the second. That's my codex that says that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because when you start reading the novels, that's not necessarily true. More awakening or in which way? Like more coming out sooner or how is it represented in the books? I didn't get any of that. Did my mic cut out test test test. You went all blocking. Okay, we'll tell me about it in the book. How did they represent it in the book? This is just other other books, because I just read the twice dead king as well. Because I'm in a whole neckline thing at the moment.

20:36So in that, the different dynasties just seem to be waking up here there and everywhere, wherever they feel like it. And if you read through the books, obviously like the infinite and divine and the walked and wicked, are covering thousands and thousands of years. They go, oh, we're going to meet back here in like 10,000 years. And then they spend 200 years meditating on a problem. So it's like, there are dynasties are waking up all over the universe, all of the time, especially if there's pestilumins getting there and start trying next up. So I guess, yeah, that would be the thing. Yeah, like if in M2, a two world got invaded, it's waking up and defending itself. And then they might stay awake for a little bit and make sure everything's kosher. And then they might go back to sleep. Or maybe they not, they won't. I know some of them have been awake long enough that they're already losing their minds. Because they're degrading and things. So that I, I didn't agree with that. Whatever they've said about them all waking up at a similar time. They also just waking up whenever they feel like it.

21:37Yeah. Yeah. I remember hearing someone else say it was like when the silent king put them to sleep, he basically put an alarm clock on the theme world. But then through happenstance, the alarm clock goes off early. Sometimes the alarm clock goes off eight later. And then some two worlds just said, fuck the alarm clock. We're still, we're still staying asleep. And that's news. Okay, that's my two world. And that's news eight times. Some of them failed, didn't they? The world spirits looking after them and stuff. Or this is the overlords never woke up. In which case they go into a whole spiral where the world spirit is in charge until the top person can wake up. And then they're kind of like doomed and they turn it to zombies. That's pretty cool to be honest. So that's the fate of my two world when I keep snoozing. They're just zombified and nice. We love that's fun. I do like that. Yeah, no, I do like when they open up that little bit, especially with the Necro and since they have that 60 million year window that you can kind of look into that they could go back pretty far.

22:40And you, you can now have these short stories or your home floor where they wake up super early. And it's not like it's the exception, but it's no longer like necessarily the rule or whatever. Yeah. Nice. And over that sort of space of time it gives you much more opportunity for divergent empires. Yeah. You know, different approaches to the same message, especially over, you know, even 10,000 years, let alone 10 million years of difference. Yeah. Or like to know, girls said now they've degraded for 10,000 years. So that's where their difference comes from. Yeah. Mostly they still just wake up with the grudge for someone else. They want to wipe out. I do that to everybody though. I'm starting to relate to Necro. The one line that sold me on Necro as my favorite faction was someone saying they wake up after 60 million years, see all these primitive species on their on their collective lawn and it said, get the fuck off of it. Yeah.

23:40Cool. Well, it's worse than that. They wake up and people are poking around in their bedrooms. Oh, that's so nice. I'm in the tomb. That's what happened. They're not just on the lawn. They're gone in the house. Yeah. They're triggering your alarm clock. Oh, that's the nightmare. I wonder if they want to wipe everyone out. They wake up and there's a human standing over here. Like, I'm just imagining the one Necro that decided to wear underwear to bed. You thought I was stupid. And now look at us. Well, that's a nice little context about the Necro and where we're kind of that with them as a. Would you call them a race as a robotic people? We'll take a closer look at tracing the infinite dive load deeper. Trasen known as tracing the infinite is a Necro and overlord and the self appointed Archaeovist of the Solomon's galleries.

24:42His particular interest is the preservation of galactic history, especially anything rare, significant or insignificantly guarded by its current owner or insufficiently not insignificantly. Big difference in words, but we'll get there artifacts, individuals, and even entire historical events have been collected by Trasen. He considers this preservation. Those who discovered those possessions missing tend to describe it as rather differently. Trasen ranges war primarily to protect or expand his collection, often placing acquisition above conventional military objectives. Remarkably, his campaigns frequently accomplish useful to strategic goals, regardless. Allowing his servants and allies to exploit the results of Trasen's con as Trasen concentrates on more important matters of claiming his prize. Despite his obsession with collecting, Trasen dislikes unnecessary travel and prefers the galleries of Solomon's. One circumstances demand his presence he frequently sends disguised Necro into this place.

25:46Many enemies have celebrated killing Trasen only to discover they destroyed a lich guard or lesser Necro on lord. The real Trasen is usually elsewhere, manipulating events until desired specimen is safely cataclyclo. Yeah, that's the thing. We disagree straight away. I want to disagree because Trasen doesn't like to stay at his museum. When you read his books, they say he disappears off for like 10,000 years and they don't know he's dead or alive because he's just after the same thing. Then in fact, he likes the chase of going and getting all these things himself so I think that's right. He doesn't like to sit at his museum. He's the museum owner and he spends his time traveling around for galaxy and he's never at work. Is he Indiana Jones? Yeah, he might be Indiana Jones. When he reads some of the books, yes, he is a lot like Indiana Jones. So he likes to be the center of attention. Every day with him must be exciting. He doesn't sit at the galaxy. I mean, maybe he spent 50 years arranged an orc to be in the right pose, but the most of the thousands if not millions of years.

26:50He's not having an adventure. That millions of years is quite a big difference. So honestly, like I am then what has been presented like he is that Trasen is an old character. He's been around since like fifth edition, I think. So we're talking almost a 20 year old character at this point. Yeah, this is very interesting like that millions of years he's been kind of doing this. It's not just like this. He's been around since M 30, which is definitely how it's presented in codex and stuff. I like the I like the wider birth though. Like I said, it allows for way more opportunity and yeah, get this guy out there. Get him out of the museum. Yeah. I mean, he's he is autistic as hell. He has a collection and nothing for getting his way. But he's not explicitly looking at his collection. There's the difference. Yeah. He's obsessively collecting. Yeah. Yeah. And that's another crazy thing about Trasen too. Like is, okay, so now he's out there doing a bunch of things and he does use his clones or whatever. So he does have him and 50 other hymns potentially doing things.

27:53So when we're talking even about his history, it's like what hasn't this guy done? You know, what hasn't he gone up to? He's always trying. Yeah, he's trying to get up into all these like interesting situations. He's like, yes, if I find the eye of Magnus and I can like he just has this wild idea. Now he goes on a wild man hunt for it. Like, okay. He just likes to watch too, doesn't he? He doesn't just collect the things. He collects what's happening. So somehow he'll know like, oh, this exciting battle supposed to happen. Like when he gets involved with the faller, cadia. And he's there to watch and he has like a little window and he can just like look through from another dimension like, oh yeah, this is a good bit of the battle. So somehow he knows what's going to happen. He doesn't just collect things from it. He collects experiences as well. Yeah, and that's a big part of his galleries too. Is like he collects dioramas of the event as it happens with the people that were there, which we'll talk about later and.

28:53So very cool. All right, but basically to summarize all that if it's not bolted down to the ground, if you can pick it up and take it home, it's free. So we've heard it's bolted down to the ground. He can work with that. Yeah, yeah. You take the ground. You'll find a way to pick it up and take it home. Yeah, so it's still. Did Trason actually start the blood ravens? I don't know why. The prime market of blood ravens is just Trason. He repainted a bunch of collector marines and put them up there. I have a new origin story. I'm for it. There we go. We do have a couple comments before we carry on actually Gerald. Okay. Lupacall says, yeah, but the parts in the books where they say he disappears for a long time is more they thought he was destroyed and then he randomly turns up like 5,000 years ago with some crazy explanation.

29:53Also, it's not that he necessarily likes to go up, but he knows he will take care or he knows he only he will take the level of care. The captures that he requires. Interesting. Okay, well, there's his take. Okay, so if he can do it better or so. Yeah, yeah, okay. Yeah. Wait, I imagine that it's like he doesn't, he doesn't like to waste his time on something that it's not worth it. So it's like if it's not a good prize and I don't see him as necessarily being that interested, but it's like one of the really good things. Then yeah, he will definitely want to be out there to go do it and you know, catch up with the spoke of all. So nice. Yeah. Alright. It's a little bit more history. Trays in the infinite has by his own estimation existed for essentially all of recorded history and quite a bit of the unrequited kind as well. His timeline runs from an obscure mortal life as a necrontier scribe through a through a biotransference of disputed voluntary, voluntaryness into a 60 million years sleep.

30:58So thorough that entire empire has rose and fell about his noticing. And out the other side into a galaxy he has spent the last 10,000 years treating as a very large, very disorganized museum in need of his attention. He has outlasted the fall of his own species golden age, the rise in ruin of the Imperium's brightest crusades and more civilizations than most scholars could name. Generally by the simple expedient of being somewhere else collecting something when the worst of it happened. The result is a figure less defined by any single era than by his sheer persistence through all of them equal parts historian, hoarder and eyewitness to nearly everything. I think this would be a good point for that quote for that quote of his in the hammer and boulder show if that's alright, Mark. Yeah, sure for sure. Okay, so for context, some black Legion are trying to are fighting some dark Eldar for a some kind of artifact and turns out to be something that belongs to tracing and it was all a play to basically captured them and put them in his gallery.

32:09So right before he actually locks them up, he gives this speech to the to the chaos terminator. Hmm, you came very close this time when the Necrontier shed flesh and left death for a lesser creatures, we thought only of freedom from fear and making kingdoms that would never die. We did not think of what else immortality would entail. We thought in terms of wars of destruction of conquest, but eternity also requires what you would call entertainment. For my part, I find infinity allows me to observe the myriad ways in which matter and consciousness manifest. I collect them objects, life forms, moments. Yeah, and that is exactly how I picture his voice. And he likes moments he likes to be there to see it. He can record it because they can record through their eyes, can't they say he's like, I'm saving this for later and he's recorded the experience.

33:12Yeah, and like the little portal like he said, they just pokes his head through takes a little gander anywhere in the universe. Because they often say that then he's like something exciting is happening, or like when he's upset in our account, he's like, I'm going to think about this later, so he records it so that he can see our accounts reaction later on. So he can just enjoy that moment over and over again. Oh, so yeah. Does his collection extend outside the Milky Way galaxy? Is there any reference to him making it beyond? I thought I knew the silent king was supposed to have gone off into the void. Yeah, like he went off and like lingered, but I just now picturing like tracing just sending off one of his clone bodies just launch him off for a million years as he floats to the next galaxy to see what's over there. But also with like Necro on there and their like technology of like portals and stuff you'd think they'd be able to traverse that distance easier and stuff like why stop a one galaxy?

34:13To travel very well to be honest from the stuff listed in the books, I mean, they'll be like rushing to get somewhere and they're like, oh, because we're just going to travel through space, it's going to take us like 80 years to get there. Like, yeah, they don't seem the best at traveling long distances really. They have like two kind of different lore eras with the travel it seems like one they had where they had Dolman gates and they would use these Dolman gates and portals and stuff and like it was instantaneously they were kind of moving shit around. And then it seemed like they dialed that back and then kind of took away those and made it so as more just like that spaceship void travel concept. It's like the elders gates or whatever. And then as they were using them, they were collapsing weren't they? And inside the webways and stuff were getting further demons and all kinds of things. They was getting less and less easy to travel through them and things like that.

35:15Yeah, like it's very short stories that you know. It's all mixed up. Yeah, it's very very much that. And I think in the codex to there's something about like the way the galaxy is set with the warp and the web where whatnot if you try to travel outside of it, there's just no way you can. So that's why I like and I think it's in the Necron codex like it even though it is very fast by our standards, the Necron still travel at a very slow rate. So only the silent king was actually able to go out of the galaxy and apparently he did conquer some systems like outside the galaxy for for his people whenever they got you know whenever they got their flesh and blood back. Okay, okay. We just if you have forever to do something, what does it matter to you if it's taking you to get them. Yeah, if you have infinite copy bodies of yourself that every night when you dream, you just upload all your personalities into themselves again. That's not true.

36:15I hate this whole thing with infinite bodies. They don't have infinite bodies even Trassen doesn't have infinite bodies. Yeah, okay. Everyone's response is every time like they all die in battle. We can infinitely we print them. There's many bits in the books where that's not in the true that every time they recycle them, they're degrading, they get blocked by black stone and things and they're losing thousands upon thousands of them. They are they can't just end this to be recycled even Trassen himself and he has a special superpower for putting himself into the bodies. He still has limitations he can only do certain distances he gets blocked by force fields and stones there's all kinds of references and stories and books that in fact he he very nearly does die because they aren't impolice they can't keep. Like every necrone that was bio transfer that that technically is the limit that that's the cap how many bodies they now have. It does they can make the bodies they can't necessarily make the might they can't make the minds to go in them so while they can endlessly manufacture more bodies.

37:23They don't have any more personalities to go in and the ones they do have a degrading over the years so eventually they're a kind of war now. You think they're just figure out a way to toss in some like conoptic construct a eyes into the necrone warriors and the fucking who cares. That was a question I have the other day and people were like no because that's just programs and I'm like they're essentially the lowest ones. What's the difference? Yeah, but if people constantly say to me they can just make them again like and I'm like they can't. Yeah, they can do very very well. They can regenerate very very well like a lot of times in the in the codex and some of the some of the short stories it's like they go in a flash of light. Some some people fighting them are thinking okay I destroyed them sometimes that might be the case but then other times it's they're going off to be actually be repaired or what not just so they can be sent back out later.

38:24Yeah, they can do that if the circumstances are right. But yeah, one one dead or destroyed necrone that's it there's no they're they're not make can't make any more of that so. So does that explain why they don't like you know like the doughland gates and the webway stuff because there's too much risk there because you're not just destroying bodies you're destroying the personalities of anyone that is risking traveling in that method so. Let us say from sorry let's go slow at least we know the people inside yeah, yeah, you're infinite anyways in time essentially you got you got those 80 years to burn ponder a question I guess. And I've just taken it back a few steps the irony of this infinite person having infinite moments making it his life mission to collect moments despite the fact he has an infinite amount of them.

39:24That's obsession I guess that is the obsession that you know he's trying to capture these tiny little snapshots. You know recreate them in his museum in his galleries. In spite of the fact he's one of the few beings that actually within the universe. It kind of make those tiny moments mean nothing. Yeah, they might be these big momentous battles victories or whatever occurrences but in the grand scheme of 60 million years. Yeah, like what is even the fall of man in the imperial what is even that nothing yeah, but they mean something to him. Yeah, yeah, like it so that meaning to him like is his code kind of corrupted a little bit of making him quirky. Or is this like his personality from before times. Well, that's it isn't he's supposed to be based on his personality from before but the thing is he's not at your average Necrum.

40:30He doesn't conform with their way of living their structure at all that a lot of the Necrums are very loyal. They are very stuck in their structures, you know, with the royals and the overlords and all the things. This is like a chain of command and he sees himself outside of that. He doesn't agree with it. He would rather avoid the silent king and when they can look at him. He's like, oh God, no, can I duck out of this. He doesn't want to be in that. Whereas most Necrums are so programmed to work for their superiors. Whereas he kind of has his own stuff going on this name. It does also help he is an overlord. So he is like one of the higher rungs of Necrums society. So he is he is afforded that much more personal freedom, I guess compared to anybody else. Yeah. So let's talk about his origin, shall we see where he got this chip on his shoulder. Before he was tracing the infinite self appointed custodian of everything worth keeping.

41:30He was simply tracing a necrontious scribe and cheek archivist and trusted with the solemn duty of mummifying dead fairons for their journey into myth. It was one presumed tedious work formed with admirable rigor. What happened next is a matter of some dispute. Trasen himself insists he was dragged into bio transference against his will. His flesh traded for deathless metal under duress or a can who was no particular reason to who has no particular reason to flat him. Because otherwise that Trasen went willingly even eagerly the truth is presumably far away somewhere in his own memory behind protocols he installed himself. For reasons he no longer remembers and has by design no intention of investigating.

42:30He's almost creating his own mythos. Sure, who's going to argue? Yeah, you have a lie about when you go to a new school and you come up with that one cool detail about yourself. Yeah, no one knows. Nice. Not sure he knows. I'm not sure any of them truly know I think when they were transferred they lost a lot of information because from reading other necrontious stories as well. Most of them kind of remember the trauma of being dragged in for the bio transference. But obviously there were others doing the dragging in. So it's did the catam put some kind of memories in there or did truly none of them want to go in there other than the very first ones. Everyone seems to remember being dragged in there against the will. I think that's probably more how it went if I know 40k there was some kicking and screaming involved. Yeah, but there was they had in you see in some of the other books in like the sight in the twice dead king.

43:31They had specific marshals who would go out and drag in the people who didn't want it and they would literally beat them. So they would drag them in broken as long as they weren't dead by the time they got that I mean there was dead bodies littering the way in there. Like people went in against their will it's documented some of the other books that they didn't want it. So I think even this ship here it might have been the other one upside down but I'm pretty sure this one they were like yeah they use this to fly through the streets and throw bodies on top of all corpse cardie. Yeah, yeah. Very fun. Good times. Great times. Yeah, we just can't have nice things can we know this is an upgrade exception metal body. Now I do think I need to research that more. I'm like I did ask the question the other day about why did they have to go. The consensus seemed to be that the people at the top who were tricked into it they can have the most again and so they need all their slaves to go with them.

44:36Because he's going to do all the running around for you if you haven't got any slaves to boss about and obviously they had an extreme hierarchy. So they chose it and everyone else had to turn the line. Exactly. And when you're talking about their level of technology you can't really step out a line either. It's very a society way you can step out of line. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it is fun to like it's very similar to like Egyptian mythos where you know the pyramids would bury or the Pharaohs would bury their slaves with them so they could have slaves in the afterlife. And they all chose did that but yeah. Very cool. That's probably where they got it from then isn't it? Yeah, I would. Let's put my thumb on it. It is cool that they like leaned hard into that Egypt route like when they first came out in Akron it was definitely more of that you know terminator vibe from the 80s or whatever.

45:39And now you can have these cool stories like tracing the infinite where you could not have that with all of Akron there's like no quirky fun characters. Yes, even stuff like how they're made now their bodies with all the cables and the reactors and the fluid and all of the things. Originally they seem to be just solid metal robots pretty much. In the descriptions when they're fighting them they're cutting them to pieces there's bits of wire and then triven and stuff flying everywhere. I think when you come to see the models makes it much more interesting to to paint them and things knowing there's so much going on in them they're not just solid metal anymore they're full of all these glowy things and stuff going on. It brings in some lovely options for weathering as well. You know there's going to be hydraulic fluid leaking there's going to be rustic hearing there's going to be X Y Z especially in the big grim ducks. Style nowadays you know you can make them filthy whereas in my in my mind's eye when I think of netcrons from my childhood they were like crow they were terminators.

46:47There's a way to explain descriptions that some of them they're going about like having less emotions instead they can't cry and then trazzling in one of these at one point he's obsessed about something and he's like he feels his face is wet and he's got oil running down his face. Oh, so they really make like a leap there that they had they had nothing can now we can cry oil like. And that's he's just fashion you know yeah like um yeah and like maybe you could just explain that away is like this weird little glitch with the necro dermis it's like he he was sad so his necro dermis like reformed and let some oil weird either way however that they have oil inside them too. Yeah yeah but like which is like a whole thing but to have like actual tear ducts you know with your oil drops that seems a little odd to engineer but maybe I guess they went to that level of detail with the bodies. And then and like I think all the old were hammer but have some tears yes I mean I think what old were hammer is that was to like the more higher up you're the better the body that you get so maybe the rank and file necro war is they're not going to need oil tear ducts or whatnot but an overlord yeah why not.

48:04Is it like buying a mobile phone you know that's the standard iPhone well that one's the net frontier plus. Yes, it's actually what I like there isn't it so yes. Look at this guy's reaching. Yeah tell us about the nail ech dynasty. I'm glad you said it first because having learned it all from reading I'm like so you say no. Well there we go the Nail Act Dynasty is a necrondinisty rules by fair on Chris back it looks like it looks like Chris the cream here Chris back from its crown. Oh gosh you give me all the words because he's world get in I that's what we're going with and marks by its light teal heraldry in ancient times the dynasty and mass enormous treasure worlds and it was a lot of the things that I was looking for and I was looking for the most beautiful countless conquered civilizations building up rich is said to surpass those of every other neck on dynasty combined back by military might to match that wealth but an arrogance isolationist streak and the nickler guards their or guard their hordes genocally and while generally content to leave outside as alone responds to any intrusion with total

49:24isolation to active expansion and since the great rift or open they've turned to hunting chaos forces and ceiling up an entire sector compelling it. It's billions of inhabitants to construct strange geometric monuments. This is what I actually know about really I know some bits from when he's visited like the other collections in in the books because obviously he goes on to borrow some things when he found his and they they know he's coming and they're like oh trans in we knew you pay us pay us a visit please don't take anything and he's just like okay then I'll have it returned by the time you wake up in another like million years you know and that's he doesn't because he needs to study a bit longer. Yeah. Just a real good friend you know you lend himself thingy you don't even lend it to me never gives it back. Yeah pretty much. It's a good thing that like this dynasty apparently is pretty wealthy.

50:27You can even kind of tell with its color scheme it has this almost like royal bluish kind of like and and a lot of gold. It's a little more stand outie but he trades and has some difficulties with his dynasty though like while he's from there he definitely doesn't really hold the same power and authority there like he he's kind of an outcast you know what I mean. It's like he doesn't fit in he's not like you the that friends. Yeah yeah exactly so he's made them all mad because he doesn't follow the rules so they're all fed up of him so yeah he's kind of like pushed the outside. Yeah so while he is from this dynasty and he might have some soldiers from this dynasty and stuff he definitely kind of his own thing and he set up Solomon Solomon and Solomon and so however you would say it. And yeah that's kind of now his kind of two world and we'll talk more about that eventually but thought we'd mention this dynasty. So we'll get to the awakening of Trason in M30 this was maybe his primary one but man after here and you read the books like I'm rethinking codec slaw and how to refer this so let's do it takes us.

51:43For 60 million years Trason did what every self-respecting macro and noble did nothing in a tomb very quietly when you woke in M30. He found his galaxy rearranged his people diminished and most of his peers responded to the news with a sort of homicidal outrage one might expect from a species that just discovered is an empire that was gone and its bodies were gone to. Trason notably did not rage he cataloged well there's so fallen does the dimensions. He appears to have seen an unusually large interesting collection awaiting to be assembled a temperament that whenever is its psychological origins have served him rather than rather than better well has served him rather better than alienate him. Yeah so that's kind of how I always kind of picture Trason wakes up he does wake up 10,000 years earlier than everybody else but yeah you're given a completely different vibe here.

52:44He had to occupy himself somehow didn't he they all stay off insanity with obsession. It's across a lot of the books now they all have an obsession and that's the only thing that keeps them going the ones without an obsession they just lose their marbles. This is his obsession and it's what's keeping his mind going are accounts the same because he's obsessed with messing with time absolutely he will spend forever meditating on what he can do with it. And a lot of the other ones have have undertaking great projects whether that's waging war and collecting more planets or wiping out other races they to survive they need an obsession and I think this is just his obsession. And just like what you brought out earlier we're like you're wondering what was this Trason's personality before the biotransference I think to a degree yes because he was an archaeologist before the biotransference but then this just kind of really enhanced it to the extreme.

53:44Yeah a weird gap of time too that we never really talked about yet on this episode is like the war in heaven itself is like this million year long war we don't even really know how long. And like Trason could have been alive for that whole amount of time and bio or in Necron for fighting the war in heaven like so his history is actually quite quite long it could be a million year war that he was actually alive doing Necron things. Who knows the dark very specific on the early times are they the mean the books haven't cover the early times he was obviously already fairly old when he was transferred because they said like he was always a little bit more. And obviously they said like he was all hunched over and like it and all the man we obviously live longer than most of the actual Necron tier did I mean a few of them were known to live much longer than the others whereas some of them were barely making out of their teens. There were ones that did make it older so obviously he must have been on that so that's why he's hunched over now is because he was already hunched over before.

54:46Give him the tear ducts but also give him a little hunch just tip him over a little bit don't let him be a co-star. That's his choice though isn't it because that's how he sees himself. Yeah no it's it's like almost going back to like having a female Pharaoh Necron that kind of enhances her body to look female because it is you you know like it would be weird to like not have even just that little tie back to yourself even though it would be unnecessary. So it almost seems like coming out of all of this at least to me they've released their biological form they've left their biological bodies and almost in doing so their psychological beings have become so much more important. You know so they're projecting projecting words are easy projecting into the physical form their own mental visions of themselves and the one the biggest downfall is their mental state is degrading.

55:49I mean I'll be very open and honest here when I've had issues with mental health having something to focus on has been my one saving grace. So I completely get the having an obsession when you've got nothing else especially over that sort of period of time God help me. This is really per the decron in the light. Yes they are. I do I agree with you there they gave up all their physical ailments and all it left them was mental illness basically. Yeah they are they have real significant mental issues because that's all they've got left now. Yeah and we haven't even mentioned the flare virus yet you know like now we're really talking to them. Don't get me started on that I'm not believing that that's actually a curse anymore. I'm like I think it's a good evolution of necrons I think that's how they're going to take out all the humans and all these biological races now.

56:52I'm like I'm firmly in the count that it is not a curse after all. It's not enough to be atomized that you got a bunch on their corpse when you're done exactly. Where are those tin hats when you need them? It's somewhere in here. Yeah I've just read all about the players and so I'm like quite into them now they are much more efficient killing machines than a standard netcrump. Doesn't matter about the whole eating thing they are just to go flying into battle with like no reservations like not only standing around taking five minutes to aim your gun or whatever. They are in there and they're ripping people in from them. I mean that's the way forward for netcrums. Yeah and look even comes with its own built in friend Tom. Yeah we'll ignore the weirdness and just stick with how much better they are fighting. No but I'm just saying this helps Tom helps fend off the mental illness. That's his thing. Get yourself a Tom.

57:52Yeah is that the netcrump version of Wilson? Yeah yeah. It helps. Oh man. It's like in the middle of a battle like a lemon rust battle tank blasts away the body and he just goes in search of another one. Just scouring the battlefield. Wilson! So we've been quite taken with the flares. I think that's just a just can you just imagine those coming at you. It's just full horror movie isn't it? We've gone from terminators to just like the months to some people's nightmares. It's just immense. I just love that take on it. But then the next story goes into fantastic horrific detail about a guardsman encountering flayed one.

58:52In a freaking blacked out bunker of all places as well. Don't like that. A little bit of double-nerding. There is something a bit terminator escapable as well the flesh peeling away from the terminator. They resort of that sort of vibe to the flayed ones apart from it's the other way round. But no, no, the other books they do give you are like another look at the flayed ones that are like a totally different point of view. That that just makes me feel like it is just another way for them to go that it's not it's not just a virus and a curse. And it's said people are like oh they lose their minds and they can only think about like eating people or getting flesh back on them. And like that's only the lowest ones and let's be honest the lowest ones of all of Neckron society don't really have a mind already do they. So yeah. Yeah.

59:52What do you think about this? You know we're making fun of Tom here up top strap down there. But what about slapping like a rack cool like lizard pelts on them or like you know you could get some cool little custom conversions going at different zenos. You know put one covered in like ford wrenched with blood that'd be pretty fun to yes or orcs they were like orcs. Okay. That's well that we're all different race if you're biological they're where you. You can paint them up with any color can you be nice. So yeah so they definitely don't have like a preference it's the sheer biologic squishy nature of it that they like to kind of get into. It seems to be I mean they're pretty similar to destroyers aren't they that will destroy any biological like tall I mean players who wear any biological thing. Good for them really really diverse with the things that they want to wear I love it. I can actually want to be boys. Wow.

1:00:53I've no got images where I've you see like the 40k at the mock. Kit passage where they get an orc that is like wearing the worst space marine armor. You know I'm a space marine now I'm imagining a flayed one doing that with an orc. Yes someone needs to do that. This is about the closest we can get this image just green stuff on green neckron. Yeah. But even just that image just must being draped from from a flayed one you know it's biological it's a living thing. It I suppose it depends on what extent they take that whole biological mass. They which way they want to take it but you know just a living. Moss pile a gillisuit that's actually going to come and cut you off. They do cover that in the wicked of warped that's a whole thing. So don't talk about that bit too much because that that's a whole part of the book is that there are other ways they can have biological things on them.

1:01:59You can. Like they can even wear bits of demons and stuff like they really are equal opportunities. So yes no if you want more stuff on like play every type of things wicked and the warped seriously that really goes into it is ace. That's a whole other note. I'll tell you what I do I have a couple of squads of flayed ones so I will just paint the skin off each one a different color for a different sentient species that they just. Yeah yeah. If they put on orcs skin would they keep spotting orcs left and right yeah that's yeah. That being interesting one actually whether that would whether that would happen I mean they've gone infinite source there I mean that big battle because orcs just want to fight forever. And the necrons would just keep needing more skin to recover their bodies as it rocks away. So they could be like locked in the end this little thing there where it's like it's just like. The worst gardening situation ever where you got the necron gardening like these tiny baby orcs while they pop out of the ground like what the fuck.

1:03:09No because they have that whole there is a quote in the book one of the bits before the chapter you know they've separate bits and it's an orc describing about fighting the necrons and you say and how much better it is to fight these like tin pop creatures compared to human because no matter how many times you kill them they just keep coming back. So they can have they like it because they can have the end of battle. Nice I like that I like that good for giving them I love it when people get what they want. Yeah. I love it. Live love play. Oh my god. Well this episode's going along you so fun character to talk about maybe let's skip these notable campaigns because honestly they're just straight from the books and I think we all need to read them including myself. Hunger project I think we should just jump to his appearance and carry on and learn kind of some other stuff about him. Okay do jump jump straight into it so tries and the infinite cuts and imposing almost regal figure among the necrons is gleaming gleaming necrodermis frame draped in flowing robes rather than left as bare metal giving him the air of a curator more than a soldier.

1:04:27A miniature painting guide describes his armor rendered in dark gun metal tones highlighted with along the raised edges for death. One between beneath robes typically painted a deep green with intricate patterned trim and a metallic brass toned face lit by vivid glowing green eyes that that poised watchful expression suits his character. His unit law ties him to the eerie phase stiffing up shifting phase stiffing well phase shifting battlefield presence common to neck neck vulnerability. Able to translocate in and out of existence by ancient don't doleman gate science rather than commit to open sustained combat rather than looking like a brute warrior he carries himself and dresses like what he is an ancient overlord who sees the galaxy as a gallery and himself as its curator he sounds an awful lot like.

1:05:29I don't know if this will translate all that well basically during the 18th 19th century there was a whole almost class of English gentry that we called the antiquarians and they just went around collecting stuff because they had the time because they have the money. They found a load of historical objects from around the world especially in the UK they would make fake ruins so they make a fake castle ruin in the garden because it looked pretty. He sort of got that whole bearing to himself you know I'm above the fighting but I'm going to travel to this part of the galaxy to go and look at this old stuff because why not. And he does build his own castles doesn't he? Yeah just for fun. Yeah. And that's the way he's dressed like he's a librarian pretty much or a lord and yeah and they say he's not a soldier and yet a lot of the time he ends up in like battles and hand to hand combat and survives and as well.

1:06:37And yeah you think how dangerous are all these necrons in the lowly librarian essentially you can't completely take you apart. When he's not even a trained soldier he's not even there for fighting he's just some old dude you know very strict late fee policies on the neck contour like the guy from Jerry Seinfeld that librarian but immortal. What do you guys think of his model? It's got some cool trinkets on him you like his model it's pretty old one. It needs an update. His stolen cape. Is that mean his cape is more of a thing than just in the books when he actually steals it is he had the cape all along in all the models. Yeah like he's only had this one model and yeah he's always. The question is whether it's the cape that does stuff that messes with time or whether it hits just a generic cape.

1:07:38Well okay we'll find out. Because I see that comes a big part of his character is that he has this special cape but obviously he claims that's one of the books. I've never even heard of his cape before and like it's I guess the one of those things. Tell me more tell me what these novels are telling you maybe we're in different worlds. Well I don't know because that just mentions that he wears a cape to have a certain look. Whereas obviously in the books the cape becomes important because it helps with like other people messing with time it's big defense. It's a big plot point is this cape. So did he have a cape beforehand or is this been the thing all along are they just returning how he got in the first place. I don't know. Yeah. So who knows it's one of the awkward things with the novels. Yeah he could use a model. Yeah. This is kind of why I like sometimes the encyclopedias we.

1:08:44Oh someone said it's just generic cape for the most part. But so yeah I didn't know. For it's time the model is stunning. I think if they didn't update I think they could do incredible things with it. Yeah Mark I did send you a. Compared to this guy you know. Very nice. I did send you a picture of a legally distinct collector of infinity that a third party individual did. I'm not going to name names or anything for their you know. They don't encourage you W's wrath. Let's open this bad boy up. It's actually pretty cool. We're getting there we're getting there. Wait Gerald are you trying to infer that games workshop are trying to disencarriage people from making more people interested in the hobby and it being more accessible.

1:09:46I said no such thing so I don't know what you're talking about. How would he fight and all that stuff. I forget that. You like they're going hand to hand combat their fighting with like swords and blades and all these things not just him there but it like space points everything. And then you like you've got a book like on a stand. Don't make fun of their capes. Like seriously surely the cape in a battle hand to hand combat. Just swishing around surely it's getting in the way. It's used for dramatic effect. And and on top of that you can actually use a cape if you need to. So you can theory if your disarmament put you sort of way you can use it to wrap the enemy weapon. There's a whole host of things that you can go into. I'm not going to go off on that autistic tangent tonight. I think if he got a new model this is the route that we should do but maybe that would be too similar to the silent king.

1:10:46But I do like this image of him where he's sitting on the throne. Just kind of brooding it looks like looking over maybe it's not him or though that's not some of his personality in the slightest. He was bored. He couldn't sit there like that. He constantly has to be organizing and collecting and doing things. If he's not out there actively getting more stuff then he is playing with these toys that he's collected. Yeah. You know he's like arranging an orc leg into a different position or sewing a person back together. So no granddia sent for you. What's the other? How can we make him if you or GW how would you make him just a little more grand? You know he's such a such a cool character. He needs a mini update. What'd you do? He needs he needs to be more like shaped and hunched and more imposing and a bit more evil looking I think. Like he looks quite placid there doesn't he? And some of these I'm like when you look at like the front cover on the book and stuff.

1:11:48He has a dark kind of evil brooding look there. That is like yeah. I'm like that he's like a skeleton isn't he with these hood over and all this kind of stuff. They could make something epic with that. I would like to point out that in the painting in the appearance thing as described in a miniature painting guide for him. His face should be what did they say bronze? Hmm. Yeah. Yeah. So I had to go and graffiti all your books and appropriate it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No good enough to eat up not good enough. He's like he's not teal on this book cover either. He's like he's got like a light blue bit on the front of it. It's quite funny because I always thought necrons were mostly like metal and silver and things. And then the more books are read. Actually they come in all different colors. Some of them are like shiny white. They're like ceramising things and have amber glowing eyes instead.

1:12:49Some of them are like cold black and red painted ones and they're they're like. Some are literally dipped in gold after they get their necrons are basically. They are the royals royal ones are cutting golds. That's like their sign of being royalty isn't it? Yeah. So. Yeah. I did remember here about one guy that did his custom dynasty and there are made to look look like sandstone as opposed to metal. So that's cool. Yeah. That's pretty cool. Yeah. Right. Do you want me to read the next bit? Take it away. Goals. So trans and trans are cut so it's no no trans in ambitions are by net grandstanders almost quaint. He does not want to conquer the galaxy. He does not so far as anyone can determine want to exterminate a single species out of principle. He wants things the rare and more historically significant the better and he wants them arranged properly in cases with adequate lighting.

1:13:54This may and for his mental health. You know how sad and there too. This makes him easier to negotiate with the most of his kind and considerably harder to predict. Since his cooperation can generally be purchased with the promise of an interesting specimen and his of course that an end and minute. And just as easily by threatening one of his already. Of when they already in his possession. So. Yeah. Yeah. I like this obsession part that you kind of have brought forward which is like that is kind of whatever the Necrondu it's obsessive. He chose to collect things normally in Necrondu just like to scour planets of life. This is a little different. He's more inclusive than everybody else. Yeah, yeah, because he will happily help out a human if he want if it aligns with his purpose. I mean he'll collect them he'll he likes to get them out and talk to them.

1:14:54He doesn't just see them a lot of Necrondu see other species humans and stuff. I mean humans they're always referring to him is just like shaved apes. They don't see there is anything more than bacteria basically an annoyance there nothing to them. They're so beneath them. I mean Necrond's trying to deal with bullets. It's utterly violent beyond them. They're like we're used to dealing in battles with gods with stars with that level of power. They're like what is this piece of metal flying at me? They just can't comprehend for most Necrondu all of these other things are so far beneath them. They're so far beneath their notice. They're so self-absorbed with everything. They only ever want to pursue their own like riches and planets and wars and all these things. Whereas he really studies everything else. He has all these minds garb some things. He wants to control everything. He wants to control the narrative of everything really. Yeah, and like he doesn't want to destroy the galaxy and stuff in it,

1:15:54which is quite different for villain. Yes, he wants to save everything in the galaxy. Maybe not for being nice. He wants to save it so that he can continue to observe it so he can keep it for himself. Yeah, as he's kidnapping you, he's like I'm trying to help you. I'm doing this for your benefit. Yes. You're being rescued. Do not exist. Do not resist. Yes, let me put you in my museum. You can stand here in stasis for the next 2000 years or something. Don't, I'm in. Yeah, he doesn't use me with like his collection and stuff. I mean, some of these books when he's got an inquisitor and then he lets her out because he wants to use her. He has her out of fair bit, you know, to talk to her, to learn from her. And he always forgets that she has human bodily functions. And she'll be like scrounging through the exhibits for like food he's preserved because he doesn't ever occur to him that she might need to eat.

1:16:55You got to feed your pets. Yes, he really does. Like pets, yes. It's quite amusing, but that's how little they think of other races on the whole is that even he has great interest in them. And he still doesn't think of the most basic things. And he thinks when they will loose, I mean, where are all these orcs and humans and things going to toilet and stuff like that? It's just the same. When they're cleaning up after like all these times, like tyrannia and orcs have escaped from their exhibits because you know, Eric and Sprever met and everything loose, isn't he? And you just think all that mess to clean up. How much of it is like a whole load of those just needed to go for a quick way up the corner. At what point you just pack up and get a new tomb world, you know? Exactly. Right. Because it's like a slave, isn't it? And all they're scarred cleaning. So yeah. He's not a villain. He's definitely more of an anti hero. Yeah, okay. That could probably be a better approach to him. Yeah. Because yeah, he's not this destructive character.

1:17:57And I think that's what maybe a villain would be is like what's actually happening? What's the outcome? It is destruction. It's like going towards entropy, where. And the reason is going towards preservation, conservation, but not consent. But the other two is hard for. All right. Well, let's dive into soliments, soliments. And this is a place, depending on who is asked, either a tomb world or a private museum, or an act of monumental hubris rendering in stone and stasis fields. It is organized with meticulous one or meticulousness. One would expect from a former chief archivist, sectors, galleries, catalogued, exhibit stretching back farther than most civilizations have existed to be cataloged. Its contents range from the mundane to the cosmologically alarming. Shards of the satan, keep or kept as trophies, entire regiments frozen mid-battle.

1:18:58At least one tier and it splinter fleet acquired under circumstances, treason probably considered manageable at the time. That the collection has on more than one occasion has attempted to eat its own curator, seems to not have dampeted his enthusiasm for acquisition in the slightest. Yeah, you ever watched like YouTube videos of like these like Indian billionaire animal reserves, where. Yeah, it's like that on a grand scheme and a little less management. It's Jurassic Park. It is, it is. Literally is like Jurassic Park, isn't it? But he doesn't care because to him it's nothing more than an annoyance if one's in Christy Eaton. I mean, it's that disdain for biological life, isn't it? I mean, whatever tyranny it's true and unis like, he really, really couldn't care and it lacks really. Yeah. Yeah, that'd be a cool place, you know, if you could put a place in the galaxy to go,

1:20:01you know, maybe you put black library on the list, you definitely put this on the list. It makes it there in the top three for sure of check it out. If you're in the neighborhood, come on by, check it out. Unfortunately, we're not. I don't know you two might become an exhibit. You're the yolk reviews. Yeah, yeah. I could hardly find myself leaving the place. To be fair, you got loose. I don't think you'd ever find your way out anyway because it's, it's a whole planet, isn't it? It's so vast. I think it's on a scale you can't even imagine his collection. It's just so huge. Yeah, you're probably accidentally wandering to another exhibit and get eaten. That's how we think everything. Well, everything's supposed to be in stasis, isn't it? Though varying levels of stasis, because when they do get woken up,

1:21:03some of them have noted the passage of time. So they're not all completely knocked out all of the time. I mean, it depends on power levels and things like things fluctuate and then suddenly, I mean, some of them are like really angry if they get disturbed because they know they've been kept there for so long. I think it depends on how petty tracing is feeling because in his war, the museum short story, he has like a couple of ad meck thralls or whatnot. And right before he's about to put them back in stasis, they were helping them out with something, something screw that Oracan did and not going to spoil anything. But then the ad meck specifically asked him, keep me, keep me awake when you put me back in stasis so I can observe everything that goes on in the museum. Yeah, I too would like to categorize this. Thank you. That's why they get on so well. Isn't it? That's great. Yeah. Nice.

1:22:04But as we probably gathered this episode, Trason has quite the personality and I do have another quote in regards to that, I'm going to read the notes part first. Trason, the infinite is an obsessive collector, meticulous historian and profoundly irritating individual, at least according to nearly everyone who has had the misfortune of meeting him. He possesses an immense intellect and almost pathological fascination with history, rare objects and unusual individuals. Trason is rarely hurried and almost never openly enraged. Instead, he approaches even dangerous situations with the detached curiosity of the scholar examining an interesting specimen. His humor is dry, his manners are often impeccable, and his arrogance is considerable, as with most necrons, he considers himself a curator of galactic history rather than a simple thief, conveniently overlooking the fact that much of his collection was acquired without permission.

1:23:08The need for his eccentricity lies something considerably colder. Trason is capable of viewing entire civilizations as exhibits and living beings as potential additions to his collection. He can be charming, amusing, and even helpful. But these qualities should never be mistaken for compassion. And the quote I have, I originally thought it was from somewhere in the Codex, but apparently this was actually done up by a fan on Reddit, but I do think it really highlights his personality. So the story that the Redditor made was an inquisitor, made it onto solnest, got out, and so Trason actually sent her a message with an artifact, and this is what the message reads. Dear Lady, let me express my full-sum appreciation for your most generous gift. I realized that you briefly trod my galleries, but the fact that you spotted in so short a time that my a cabrious war collection

1:24:11was lacking three regiments of Categianne warriors, reveals that you truly have a collector's eye for detail. Please allow me to repay your gift with one of my own. A company in this message is a hypers that just it's a mere trinket. You were almost something you'd expect here on Bridgerton, a very UK-centric reference there. But I will be kind and charming, but I actually just want you in my museum, please. He'll do whatever it takes, won't he? So if he can sweet talk you in there, I mean, he's willing to negotiate. He's going to take some of the other books.

1:25:13He negotiates people in and out, people trade other people in. Like, oh, if you don't take me, you can take them. He's quite respectful about the housing. I mean, neckwans do have quite the honour system, don't they? They don't like to just go crashing about and taking things easily. They're all these people in Forty K seems to have an excessive amount of honour when it comes to battling and collecting and all of these things. It turns time moments, races into Pokemon cards. He does. We have Pokemon balls. There's whole things with these little testaracts, labyrinth things. And like, you'll have a pocket full of them. It's so like Pokemon, it's hilarious. It's just like which one is he going to throw into Bacadilly and he throws it out and out pops a whole guard regiment or something. I think that's just hilarious. It's very, very fun. The one thing I love about that quote Gerald is the fact that clearly

1:26:14there's other people with a similar obsession, but not quite to his level. You know, the fact that this visit to recognise that there were three Catachan regiments missing. You've got an option. This is just the most autistic of the autistic as a character. It's what we see. We see the top of the eye. People with similar interests, too. The admer qua nu doesn't want to put back to sleep and stuff. They a lot of them have similar interests because he finds them interesting to go and interact with. I mean, he'll take them out of their plastic box just to talk to them for a bit. He always wants to learn, doesn't he? Yeah. Like it. All the plastic models on that is this like the evolution of them. No, this isn't him. I think this is just hinting that they wanted or that he's missing one.

1:27:16Like all these other characters get this upgrade model. But not him. Not yet. But there's no way they're not going to give him a new model, man. Like they gave him blocks that they're making a new model. Absolutely. I always think it. I don't get what they didn't send it out with the new books. Like there was so much hype for this second book coming out. Yeah. That I don't understand what they didn't make a bigger thing of it. There were mean people online were really hyped for getting it. And yet they didn't even make a huge load of advertising in the run up to it. Where people with desperate get it already. They could have made so much more of that and put out new models of all at the same time. It would have been quite the money spinner, I think. Really. Yeah. I mean, I would have bought a truss in with the book. Yeah. Yeah, limited edition, chosen, collect the collection, you know, of chosen models. Yeah. Absolutely. I know like, you know, GW has like a turnaround for model time. You can't just make minis and stuff.

1:28:16But yeah, that seems like a missed opportunity for sure. Yeah. It just baffles me that like because the Necrons bret had a relatively recent model update. That was where you got the Oregon update. Why did they not do trays in the long with it since he is a popular, he is a popular character. What about this for the new trays and model? It's, it's a big base and on that base is a bunch of empty slots. And in the center, you got trays and so then you can poke them on someone in some imperial guards, put them on the basis on the base slot. And now you got this cool like multi unit. Maybe too complicated for the flu. But anything it's a good idea. It depends on you going to go down points, costed war gear or not, because you could go to like for an extra two hours and take hours and do all there shenanigans. Let's just call it. You can give a space for a power sword for free nowadays. Let's just drop down a warlord Titan. All I'm saying is all with the latest changes to the rules. I now have to pay for war.

1:29:16Gear on my Lehman rust battle tanks. That's sick. Why would they do that to you? I mean, they did also put the tank costumes down by about 20% each tank. But I'm keeping stum on that. I'm not saying the whole thing. Yeah, so back back to tracing. Trason believes that history is too valuable to be left to those who merely live through it. Civilizations rise. Cultures disappear. And priceless artifacts are destroyed with remarkable regularity. Whereas tracing can preserve them indefinitely. His galleries therefore represent his attempt to impose order upon the galaxy's endless destruction. He values rarity, historical significance, and uniqueness. Though his definition of each is highly subjective. Trason's philosophy contains an obvious contradiction. He wishes to preserve history while repeatedly interfering in it.

1:30:18He steals important objects, ducks notable individuals, and occasionally manipulates historical events. Because he believes their preservation is more important than allowing them to proceed naturally. To Trason, this is not vandalism. It is curation. The galaxy produces history. Trason simply believes it is fortunate enough to have him as its archivist. Well, does he know when a moment is going to be important? Oh, you know. You feel right here. Devine this and stuff. Don't they, though? Like predict the future somewhat. Like that's his whole argument with our account. Isn't it? All the things he's collected get in the way of the other necrons being able to predict the future. Because it seems like with all their mathematical minds they can look at what's happened in the algorithms and they can predict what's probably going to happen.

1:31:21Or some things on a galaxy-wide scale are probably pretty obvious that they're coming. Like when he goes to see what's going on at the fall of Kadia. He was like, something's going down. And then he can view the whole galaxy's thinking, well, that's a problem. And then get himself over there quick, doesn't he? Yeah. Same. Yeah, definitely doesn't want to see the galaxy perish for sure. He'll be bored then. Yeah. What would he do? Yeah, if you don't have subjects to Lord over things to look at and arrange, yeah. He does almost feel to me like he almost sees himself almost on the level of a god. Yes, I could you not. Well, he's curating the galaxy. Yes, I always think he's curating what's going on to a certain extent because he messes with things.

1:32:25When he's taking things in and out of history, I mean, yes, he might take things at the moment of death. So it was not to change what's happening right then and there. But then he'll throw things back out to save himself. And you're like, oh, there's a tank that's been missing for five thousand years. And you're like, well, actually, he's just changed history, changed what's happening in this moment. A lot like there was not going to be a tank there and all of a sudden there it is. I mean, he's messing with how everything's running to such an extent. You think without him there, how different would the galaxy now be? I can also confirm from experience if a tank turns up where it shouldn't, things don't go well. Oh, shit. Unless it's on your side. Even still you've got questions to answer why the hell that tank got there. Yeah, but a lot of questions were probably asked during the fall Katie event.

1:33:25Yes, well, the thing is they were too thick of it in the battle to question what was going on. And they can only be grateful that more help had arrived. And even the ones that come out of the like test or act storage things, they don't know what's going on. They just go, oh, enemy kill it because they're too good. And some good indoctrination kicking in for them. Good. Good training. Well, not even that is it they're confused from all the like spaces sickness. And then if someone's actively trying to kill you, you fight back, don't you? And I mean, a lot of these things are trained for war. They're like soldiers. They do what they know. But I do think he has rewritten how history would have gone by interfering. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so he's he's not only curating what has happened. He's also designing what's happening going on with really just by mixing that. Is he designing it though or is he simply influencing it? So I don't know what it all depends on whether he has an idea of what he wants to happen.

1:34:30As a direct result of him doing something. It opens up some really interesting thought experiments there. You right. Cause half the time he doesn't know what he's messing with. Does he? He's throwing things out and he's one of these books. He has no idea what his consequences are to his actions. I don't know what I want to say what it is because it is spoiled by the book. But he's thrown around things he doesn't understand has massive consequences thousands of years later on. So he really does alter the course of history. But yeah, most of the time he's just gropeing blindly in the dark for his own ends his knee like just a back of the other one else. So yeah. Yeah, it's not quite like Alvarad where he is looking into the future and plan and scheming and trying to make that good fate where consequences be damned if I take this I'm taking it. That's a bit more arachum because he continuously tries to rewrite what's happened to get the outcome he wants. Yeah, that's beyond trust and it's not really.

1:35:32Yeah, yeah. Right. What you read is abilities. Trasin possesses the formidable technological capabilities expected of an ancient Necron overlord, including a highly advanced necrodermist body, extraordinary physical resilience and the ability to survive injuries that would destroy most biological beings. The greatest strength, however, is not physical. Trasin is an exceptional strategist, infiltrator and manipulator who prefers preparation, deception and technological superiority to straightforward combat. You can read all the big words here. He possesses extensive knowledge of ancient technologies and civilizations and he has access to an extraordinary collection of Necron devices, stasis technology and captured artefacts. Trasin is also unusually adept at deploying his collection during conflicts, releasing preserved warriors, creatures and machines when circumstances require them.

1:36:39His greatest ability may therefore be the sheer breadth of resources accumulated over millions of years. Few opponents can know what Trasin possesses, which makes planning against him rather difficult. Yeah, between the technological wonders, like, okay, so you got stasis portals, you got nano-minelecular things, like all these different things. Oh, you also got armies from thousands of years ago, like you really can't plan or expect anything from this guy. Who's planning against him? I mean, that can only be an inter-necron thing because to the outsiders, I mean, they wouldn't know who he was, unless you've been collected. Yeah, because he also doesn't have plans of fame. He's not trying to spread his name like a gaz-cal-type character, you know. He's just collecting, taking and going. Well, he likes to operate in the shadows pretty much. He sneaks in, he grabs something, then he runs off of it. He doesn't, you know, he doesn't like to make a big deal of it, does he?

1:37:41No calling card left behind. No, they said they want to be a doctor too. Call this number. Yes, other necrons know. They seem to know when Trasin's been poking around. I mean, to be honest, it's like any time anything has ever gone missing across 40k in any of the law, that's the, the Gat of Jail Free card now isn't it? Trasin's going to, I mean, turn looking at some of these books and you're like, that's where it was from other bits of law from years ago, all of a sudden. You're like, there it was. Trasin had it all along. If he ever finds 20 bucks, I was mine and I wanted that. That'll be on display in a whole new little case. I'm going, I'm going to say this publicly. I will put a hundred pounds on the fact that one of the primarks returns because of Trasin. Oh, okay, okay, we got it. I'm recording. There's no time with on this. If you catch me in a hundred years, we'll see you then. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Read books.

1:38:43Yeah, they definitely hint towards like, they've got a tall man and Baroque Harper. But to actually, I could be anyone from there. There is a section in the wicked and the warped that has a lot of people asking questions. Interesting. Okay. Tell me about it. Okay. It will keep you a book secret. I will, I will say this part. Trasin and Orican are doing Trasin and Orican things. So Trasins looking through his list of Pokeballs to see what he can, you know, whip out for this particular situation. And then he just says, hmm, seventh Praetorian. Nah, I might get a little crowded. Ooh, isn't the second and the 11th that are unknown? No, but some people are saying this is a possible hint to royal door and coming back. Oh, possible. He's the seventh. Okay. Okay. So yeah, yeah, yeah, I see.

1:39:44So he might have a primark not one of the missing two. He might have dorm. It's the seventh. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Well, he has all of Dorn except his hand, I guess. Good for him. You think that upsets Trasin that he's missing the hand for his wonderful door inflection? Oh, just imagine it. You probably was saying. He only fixes up his models. So when surprised me, he just made a new part here, go door and have a hand. It'd be like Dorn, Dorn versus Yarek, who has the cooler alien invented hand. Some of them, some of them where he has pieced people back together. When he's collected exhibits and they've been too damaged in battle, he will take them apart and reassemble them to make his exhibit look right. So he could have anyone's hand. He can really, yeah, he can have anything across time and space.

1:40:45Anyone doesn't matter and they can be full help. Yeah. It's such a way as they can now do anything. I think it's quite a clever thing, but Game's workshop to have done is that they have left this thing open now. Where absolutely anything could happen and he's got it. Okay, I just want to draw attention to a comment in the chat here from Spooldrim. Imagine Dorn is in a small box with a pile of Legos living his best life. Is Billy Walls? Dorn doesn't want to leave. Yeah, he's good. The door's open. I mean, Trasin doesn't want him because he's missing a hand, but no, Dorn's just... He was throwing the test of acting back out and he's holding on to the edge like, oh, what's going on? Not bad. Well, let's get into some of his relationships. He does have the Oracan diviner, very specific relationship, but he's made some with lots of different people,

1:41:47although I feel like they're all kind of more one-sided with it's like, you might have had a run in with Trasin, I think you're important to him, but he doesn't really care about you, like even if you're in his collection, like now he's got you in his collection, but like... Not your buddy, buddy. So Trasin's relationships with the galaxy is that of a curator towards an exceptionally large and poorly maintained museum. He is fascinated by civilizations, individuals, and conflict, but barely regards him as equals. Powerful figures may earn his respect, amusement, or curiosity, yet almost anyone can eventually become a specimen if Trasin desires they're historically significant enough. He can corroborate with other factions when the interest temporarily align, when it's with his own, and may even assist them for reasons that appear surprisingly generous, although there is usually a private calculation behind the gesture. Trasin's alliances are therefore practical rather than loyal, and he regards the most living civilizations as temporary custodians of objects that he will eventually have,

1:42:50that belong somewhere more secure, preferably solvents. Even his fellow necrons are not exempt from this philosophy. To Trasin, the galaxy is an endless source of discoveries, curiosities, and hidden treasures, populated by creatures who have an unfortunate habit of believing that their possessions, cultures, and sometimes themselves belong to them. He does not necessarily hate the galaxy for this, on the contrary. He finds it endlessly entertaining. Yeah, the world is pretty neat. Hey, you ever just go look under a rock and see what you see? I can cool. It's cool out there, man. Except he wouldn't just lift up a rock, he'd be like, oh, what's under this tectonic plate? And I'm taking the rock. Yeah, everything goes me. He does that in his one increasingly, has like a whole borough of something with all the people inside it, like from some breaks. Like he just dug it out.

1:43:50And then when you get some damage, he's really annoyed because he's like, there's no existence anymore. It's irreplaceable. My whole, geez. It's like something. It's like one of those, you know, these ants farm, so you can see it all through the ass. But with like, look at them just peacefully working in there. I'm in. I have a meme list of like stuff that he's like stupid stuff. These collect it just for memes. And the ant farm thing is very well, I'll say that for later. But we can talk about Orkin, the diviner, his immortal life partner as people describe their relationship. Okay. Trason regards Orkin as an exceptionally talented, exceptionally unpleasant quality. Whose talents are occasionally useful and whose personality provides considerable entertainment. He respects Orkin's abilities as a cronomancer and a diviner, but has little patience for the astrologer's arrogance and obsession with proving his own superiority.

1:44:58Their rivalry is genuine, but Trason treats it almost as a recreational activity. He enjoys provoking Orkin, stealing things Orkin considers important and demonstrating that supposedly infallible predictions can still be inconvenienced by a sufficiently determined collector. Trason does not necessarily hate Orkin. In some respects, he values him precisely because Orkin is one of the few beings capable of matching him intellectually. Unfortunately for Orkin, Trason considers this an excellent reason to keep annoying him. Oh, I think so. They do endlessly annoy each other to the extreme, like to near death annoyance, not just a little like, oh yeah, I'm going to poke your push you in the door. I know, but like I'm going to put a computer virus in your brain and you're going to have to fight it off. So I'm going to shoot some weapon that takes out your in-carcure head kind of thing.

1:45:58Like you barely can survive this. It's not minor, minor squabbles. It's like they're both lucky to survive. Yet they can't survive without each other. Yeah, it's just about to ask. Do you think if one could actually kill the other? Do you think they would want to? They don't. They never take it quite that far. They always hold back just a little bit. Even if they'll leave each other trapped for a few thousand years, they still just, yeah, like, oh, I'll see if he's out now. They're not going to help him, but yeah, one of the. Sound to North. Go ahead. Go ahead. My younger brother. Yes. Like we're just that close to killing one another, but we don't quite because we kind of like him enough. Yeah, it's funny. At times they get on really, really well, like, like brothers, like siblings. And then other times they literally cannot stand each other. And they're like, they're not going to speak for a few thousand years now.

1:46:59And they're like actively hating on each other and trying to cause as much trouble as possible and get each other arrested and like sentenced to death and whatever else. And then the second, try some once an adventure who's like, I know, making a great companion for this. They just, they're like that couple, you know, where they cause them to fight. And the police have to split them up. And then there's restraining orders in place and all this thing. And then the second it finishes, they're back together and then they're like fighting and it starts all over again. Man, to be you deep, there's so much fun. It's just before and after the two beers. Yeah, it's just fantastic. I love, I love reading about them together. They just, they make life exciting for each other. I think it's just another way to fill the time. If you can't annoy somebody endlessly, what are you going to do with yourself? That's why I'm married. I was going to say, they need to be my vows. Yes.

1:47:59I have an endless test for my next date, for my next dating prospect here. You have to go in strung with the crazy. And if you both survive, then you know it's a good one. There we go. So speaking of crazy, or a kin. His thoughts are a little bit different. Or can consider his tracing an intolerable thief, vandal, and an intellectual fraud, who has somehow been permitted to survive for far longer than is reasonable. He regards tracins collecting as vulgar, hoarding, masquerading, as a scholarship, and consider himself the superior intellect, particularly because his mastery of divination and chronomancy gives him an understanding of events tracin cannot possess. Orican is frequently exacerbated, exasperated by tracins interference, especially when the collector disrupts plans that Orican has spent years arranging. Yet beneath the hostility lies grudging recognition. Orican knows that tracin is extraordinarily intelligent, resourceful, and difficult to predict.

1:49:07Their rivalry persists because neither can comfortably accept the possibility that the other might actually be his intellectual equal. One of the jokes I always heard that tracin has a habit of like putting Orican in situations where his divinations actually fail. So then Orican goes like changes of time to prove that he was right. Just for tracin to put him in another situation where, oh, no, that's still wrong. Nope, got to go back and fix it again. Jeez. Pretty much. It's just spending afternoon. Yeah. It is quite funny because he really, really hates him with a passion. He hates him so hard. And yet, at one point, he realizes if he dies, they couldn't live without him. And yet he still hates him so intensely. It's like they just can't leave each other alone. It's like when your kids are squabbling and you like for the love of God, just don't touch him. And then they've just got like a hand in their face.

1:50:08No, that's what they're like. Different rooms, please. Yeah. And the other night runs, they even recognize this and at times the council and stuff will force them to be together just because they're so irritating with trying to get one over on each other that they're like, right, we're just going to put you together in this room together until you sort of. Parenting 101. Yeah. It's pretty bad when you're having a parent that's like 65 million years old, isn't it? At all that time, they've not sorted it out. If you don't parent them young, you'll have to parent them when they're old. That's what they say. So what we're saying is their parents left when they were babies. Yeah. Well, more like they genocide their own parents, I think, with the old ones, but. Well, who knows what eat how long they even had parents for? Oh, yeah, true. Because with their short life span, I mean, I'm not sure it specifies exactly how short their lives were.

1:51:15But I'm like, I think it's quite interesting. I mean, but you don't know what their standards would be for a long life in an egg in race. I mean, where these people just get an into their 30s, in which case they really could have lost their parents very young. Yeah. That's what we're saying. So it's another thing against teenage pregnancy. No, no, the next year, you probably have to be teenage pregnancy on that. Oh, yeah, yeah, they didn't have this in kids. You got to stop with the bio transference. That's enough bio transference. Back in my day, we were having kids where we were telling. What they probably were because they were probably dead by 30 from all that radiation poisoning. So what does a bit of radiation poisoning do? I do wonder if he knows more about it now, whether they ever learn because obviously they didn't know enough about it to fix the issues when they were actually alive. So it's 65 million years later. Have they actually learned what went wrong?

1:52:17Yeah, let me put it here. I mean, if they were to get bodies back, would they do better a second time? Yeah, yeah. Could they reverse it? Did they advance technologically that much after they kind of did the bio transference or a kind of plateau? Well, there was the most immediate advance before, weren't they? Yeah, yeah. Like they already were in like a galactic civil war. Yeah. And they'd already got like thousands and thousands of planets that they've lived across. Yeah. So they were obviously already put in fans. It's almost like once they did bio transference, they kind of gave up. Yeah, yeah. I suppose you got, yeah, when you're fighting God and winning. Yeah, when you're fighting God and winning, do you need to advance technology too much more? Yeah, they weren't and then they needed a really long nap to get over it. So speaking of technology, we'll talk about his trades and equipment now.

1:53:17So trades and equipment reflects his status as both netcron overlord and collector. He's got a massive mic magnifying glass. Rather than relying upon a single standardised arsenal, he possesses an assortment of advanced netcron technologies. Personal weapons, defensive systems and unusual artifacts accumulated throughout his existence. His equipment is often selected according to circumstance with certain devices allowing him to capture, preserve, manipulate or deploy specimens rather than simply destroy them. His most distinctive technologies are those connected to his collection, particularly his ability to preserve living beings and objects for later display or use. Trasins arsenal should therefore be viewed less as a conventional military loadout and more as a curator's toolkit of extremely dangerous archaeological instruments.

1:54:18The precise weapons, devices and relics in his possession can be examined individually, but collectively they demonstrate the same principle that governs the rest of the rest of trasm's existence. If something is valuable enough, there is probably a machine somewhere that allows Trasin to keep it. And if there isn't, he will go and find it because he needs it in his collection. Yeah, it's pretty smart. See, I want to give straight into mind because this one follows straight on to that. So Trasin carries specialised netcron technology suited to acquisition, survival and manipulation rather than prolonged conventional combat. His personal arsenal reflects his preference for securing valuable specimens with a minimum amount of unnecessary destruction. I think that's right. He's quite happy to destroy everything in his pursuit of collection, absolutely anything, everything. He'll just collapse whole worlds and stuff.

1:55:19He couldn't care less. Often when he's done, he's ended a world when he's taken what he wanted. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I could see like, yeah, what does he really care if he has to kill a thousand people or a hundred to get that object that's not really the calculation he's making. Maybe the calculation he's making is how much am I going to lose if I get that object? Not how much of a... That's always the way, isn't it? He wants what he wants and he will stop at nothing to get it. And he doesn't really care about what problems he causes in the longer and dizzy. He just goes after what he wants. It's already his technically, he just has to go and claim it. Yes, that's like that thing when he goes running through like the Black Library and he's like, that was mine, that was mine, that was mine. He's like, I mean, just take these with me and you know how they feel about the Black Library and like not lending any of the books to them. So... Yeah. But then if you're infinite, isn't everything his eventually really?

1:56:22Exactly. It's only a matter of time. He's got a bunch of different cool little technology pieces. A lot of them are just like high science mumbo jumbo, but we'll go through some of that fun. He's got the empathetic obliterator and this is Trayzans distinctive Necro and staff. We're going to incorporate technology originating from the old ones when it kills the victim. It releases a psionic shockwave capable of striking nearby beings of similar mind and purpose, making it an usually efficient solution to trouble some crowds. Mine shackles, they're pretty cool. We've mentioned them in this episode. Yeah, they like the ultimate like if you want to collect a towel, which actually I neck around play at heart, tossing mines shackles, scarves on the back of them. Now he got some towel army. Necrodermus, we know it. We love it.

1:57:24Tesseract, labyrinths. They are dimensional prisons capable of containing objects and living beings with compressed within a compressed pocket of space. Trayzans uses them extensively to preserve specimens and can release captured warriors into battle when circumstances make doing so sufficiently entertaining. And then also Stasis technology in fields. He employs that kind of tech to preserve individuals objects, historical scenes without allowing time to continue its usual inconvenient process of decay. He can also use Stasis field defensively to immobilize enemies rather than destroy potentially valuable specimens. Yeah, cool. See a lot of these things seem to be just his like when you read about other necrons, they don't seem to have all of these technologies available to them or maybe they do when they just never think to use them. But they they're on a day to day basis. There aren't other people throwing out like mine shackles, scarves and things.

1:58:24He's got a pocket full of the things and he's forever using them to good effects. But I haven't really come across a lot of stuff like that in other books about other necrons or even these like the way he stores everything can his little test or act things. That he just doesn't seem to be a thing other necrons do. I mean, he seems to develop to set things just for his collecting and maybe no one else just bothers to use them. I don't know. I think you're right. He probably developed them like I need to capture and maintain stuff. So maybe yeah, he comes up with his own ways of doing it for sure. I mean, he does have stuff to to research or stuff, doesn't he really? I mean, he has all the people who work for him and maintain all these things and stuff. And like the necrons are already high tech. So it's like, okay, so we already do have space is technology. We're just not using it for this. If I do this one slight tweak now, I can use it for this more easily, you know, because I think well to over enough stasis parts and things aren't they?

1:59:25But he's in a very different way. Yeah, it sounds like he just. Sorry. I was just saying, it sounds like he does repurpose a lot of like already present necrons tech for his own uses. So. You think a lot of the other necrons would benefit if they just have like another army in their pocket. They could just throw out in a situation, although maybe that's not honorable enough for most of them. You know, just follow the rules to engagement quite right. Yeah, it's it's messy too. Yeah, you know, and a lot of necrons. I don't think like the messiness of it or the chaoticness of it. We're treason. I think likes a little bit of that. I think he is chaos. Everything he touches just becomes insanely crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Well, let's carry on with technologies. He's got some bigger items in his personal catalog.

2:00:25Trason rarely relies upon conventional troops alone instead maintain forces and technology specifically suited to protecting himself and acquiring new additions to his collection. His personal resources allow him to treat and expedition less like a military campaign and more like an archaeological field trip where the archaeology occasionally shoots back. I love that little audition right there. So we have that acquisition failings that acquisition failings is treason's personal formation for particularly dangerous acquisitions and consists of treason. Accompanied by five squads of his lich guard bodyguards, they're interlocking dispersion shields can generate a protective barrier around the formation, allowing trays into approach valuable prizes while considerably reducing the risk of becoming one himself. And this and then he has surrogate bodies, which also kind of lends lends itself to the infinite title. Trason possesses technology that allows his consciousness to transfer into prepared neck-wrong bodies when his current body is destroyed.

2:01:33These surrogate hosts allow him to survive assassination attempts and have made killing tracing and activity plagued by an irritating lack of permanence. One of the jokes at the very beginning of infinite of the divine is he's raiding an LDR maiden world and he's going against a bunch of exabytes and then you think he's about the diet in the first chapter and he just and he's just looking at what's like the the dinosaur that's going to kill him. He goes, oh damn crutch and then he wakes up and in a new body. That's the one with the great quote isn't it where he's like I don't particularly enjoy dying. He's like, I don't think anybody does. He does, he has all these horrible memories of all the ways he's died. If he's lucky, he cuts out just before he does, but if not, he has to live through it before he jumps up to another body, which is quite funny. I mean, it's quite interesting that he can do that, that he can jump between bodies. That's not a thing the other neck-crimes do. I mean, the technology somewhat must be there for them all because obviously they translate them all across to be put back in new bodies and fix and things that they can collect them all up into central like memory banks.

2:02:44And he's obviously managed to do that in such a way as he can take his memory jumping and just shove it somewhere else where he then overalls another body, which brings up an interesting thing when you say about the overlords having a better body. And how he has more technology and stuff in that, whenever he takes over another body, he remakes it into his form into his shape. So just that mean all neck-rons would have been capable of having these good things, but they don't. It must be to do with the programming rather than the actual physical body because if he can just make that appear in anybody, why can't they? I would definitely agree with that. Yeah, I would definitely agree with that. Because some of the other neck-rons, when you read like the twice dead king and things, they're like the the lords there, the overlords there actually have different components put in their body, which can be removed to make them more basic. So they can have bits cut out of them. And you like, but so that's different from Trussion. I mean, if he can make his body with the same no matter where he is, I think that's a bit of a, I don't know where the codex information sits on that because that's two different authors and that's two very different approaches to how the overlords are better than average neck-ron.

2:04:07So does does that open up the option that over the years and things degrading that there's potentially some programming interference that was instilled at the offing and actually in Trasim's situation. It's that programming. It's that manipulation that's degraded, not his personalities. Well, they do have personalities. There's no getting away from that. Yeah, his personality and his mental faculties haven't degraded, but instead the limitations have. So there is that possibility. As you say that a lot of this is psychosomatic. And therefore, the limitations that been programmed in or placed on the mental state of the lower ranking neck-rons that is preventing them from being a hundred millions of trades. What we need is an actual by like, dissection of a neck-ron to have a look and see how the insides of one neck-ron is different to another one.

2:05:10And it also fits in that whole thing with like the, the players and the destroyers in that the players actually grow into a different shape as they succumb to the virus as such like their fingers get longer, they get taller, they get spinny, they totally change shape to become more deadly. Yeah, a destroyer actually like wax new bits on their body don't they attach new bits they take bits from other neck-rons and other machines and put it onto themselves and be like, I'm going to have six guns instead of legs or something. So how does that reflect back to the fact he can jump into any body and make it his own could he's still jumping to a flare and take it over or a destroyer or because they can't be remade because they're being too corrupted to be sent back to the main processing system does that mean he couldn't jump into their bodies anymore. What are the limitations of his powers?

2:06:10Yeah, you can see the question every day, can't you? Yeah, I do like that thought of like, yeah, you know, you never want to have something that you can't kill or is all powerful that does not make for good stories. So then yeah, there has to be limits on that for sure. Like just like when like we had the whole you need and they can just resurrect elder from the yet from the dead like, yeah, they need to be a cost just like the dark elder and the humunculus like they need to be some cost there. Or some price or like some limit. We'll find it out with all the only way to do it is let's find trays and kill a bunch of times and see what works. So the thing is he does he does lose memories because they have this whole thing every time their their mind is sent somewhere else. He has the same problem as when they're they're saving and remaking just necromanaries in that sometimes he doesn't manage to send all of himself before the other body is destroyed.

2:07:10And therefore he loses bits of his mind and bits of his memories. He'll be like he's noted in some of the books are saying, I will he lost this period of time there might be 200 years he's forgotten because that part of him didn't survive the jump. Crazy yeah, I hope he wrote it down somewhere I guess. He's not really one bright. Yeah, just library to keep track of everything. Next thing is book is assistant writes everything down because he's lost the ability to remember things. So he hasn't physically write it down. Can I also just point out earlier we were saying that Nick Rontado a recent update on models that's two additions ago now and now I feel really old. Yeah, I know I always use like a tradition is kind of like a work and that was like a decade ago. Let's talk about it like it was yesterday it still hurts. Wasn't there another update like shortly after a tradition that like that that was when the new or can model had come out and the new in the tech model or was that.

2:08:18Or is my sense of time just all kinds of screwed up right now. I've been in the great slumber too long. Yeah, we're running. Yeah, I don't know. Hey, there's a lot of technology. There's a lot of stuff still in this episode. Maybe we just jumped to the good stuff though. So we're not here for all time. We should get into his collection and we could read through that. Yeah, I think we get the drift. He's got crazy technology. I get it. He could make new technology. He's got it. So Trasins collection the infinite process. Possesses an enormous variety of items in his collection the following represent a select example of what can be found in Trasins collection of historical individuals and artifacts and Solomon. So we're start with the prismatic galleries and these are some of the most prized possessions of Trasin and consisting of holographic events recapturing events from history deemed worthy of preservation. They're not populated by mere sculpture but by conscious living beings transmuted into holographs themselves.

2:09:22So that's fun. They're transmuted into holographs. So it's like they he had the real being and then crammed into a computer and I'm pretty sure the real beings probably dead now and just the holograph forms of lives. He's got him stored. He loves to store on and space is somewhere else like maybe they weren't maybe they weren't good enough quality to go and display some of these things are pretty damaged when he picks them up. Maybe he just have has bolts somewhere else. Yeah, you know, it's not going to get rid of the original. He's a collector. Hey, I need that corpse. Exactly. They're just pretty dried. He's most come back the moments of death, doesn't he? So to rebuild them, they're not quite gone, but obviously he can't save them all himself. This is obviously a good. Plus, I mean, from the trouble he has when he has like whole tyranny of like splinter fleets there and then they get loose. I think why does he even bother like the damage to do the orcs getting out all these things, he's real sparsom is that I would just pack them all up in their boxes and just have the holograms for everything.

2:10:32But isn't that part of the thrill? Certainly is for him. Yeah, but we would run all very different art museum galleries, you know, give the chance. If only give the chance we would. So, well, different when you have a cleaning army to dust them off for you, isn't it? Yeah, oh, could you imagine how clean our minis would be? We all had cleaning armies. So in his prismatic galleries. Sorry. In the galleries, he has the last high council of Adra here, Craft World, cool and exhibit showcasing the massacres on Targus. There is a link on, you know, let's account them, you could go through and some of these are kind of named events and important and stuff. If you really want to click through if one catches your mind. A lot of them are kind of just made specifically for this. A war band of orcs attacking the unknown blue-shelled invertebrate, Xenospicis.

2:11:33The catacombs of Calth during the Underground War, an exhibit labeled Doomriders Folly. That's a fun one. Like what did happen to Doomrider? I guess, Trayzen knows, he ain't telling. An exhibit labeled the death of Lord Solar McArius in which one tenth composed of Imperial Guardsmen who are 300 years from the wrong time period. An exhibit labeled the last stand of Ersar Creed. A tree was later employed by Trayzen against the forces of pesad mudundus when they invaded soloments. An exhibit labeled the last questions of historicus Ostolan Varus. An exhibit labeled the sword, both stolen and sought. Like that one maybe is like a crone sword or something from the Eldar galleries maybe. An exhibit labeled the Imperial Heroes of the Tyrannic Wars. An exhibit labeled the Beheading of Gold Van Dyer.

2:12:35An exhibit labeled the war in the museum. He took samples of the war in his own museum and put them into the museum catalog. An exhibit labeled Angeles which includes Gorkamorca, the rocket ship Mechtown and several orcs. The cherry on the top of the or in the museum exhibit is a hive tyrant in like a flailing position. He has that labeled as Orch and the diviner because right at the very end of that struggle Orch and actually tried to overtake a hive tyrant to get one up on Trayzen. But he immediately just like zapped himself out of it because apparently he could not comprehend the hive mind and its entirety at all. That's just petty points going. I love it. It is all museum that only he'll see. Yeah, perfect.

2:13:35But Trayzen also has a hall of statues. He has a statue of an unspecified primark large and made of rock creek which Trayzen states is the only contemporary statue to survive an unspecified purge. It was destroyed during the demon invasion of pest, pest, and meat, mutatus. Wow, that's a word. Yeah, he has a sandstone sculpture from the serenade from serenade depicting an adeptus or a starties librarian with a skull face segmented to an a fish tailed fish tailheaded staff. And he also has a building size statue of Lord solar Macarius. That's fun. I mean, it sounds like fantastic garden decoration to me. So with all of this stuff, of course, you need an entire gallery dedicated to the war in heaven, in which there is a display of an alder, alder, midleap, race-bone dance slipper, barely touching its plinth, which is quite a cool moment.

2:14:40You just, just second before they take off, a display of a hulking cork, a croak, mountainous shoulders, slick with battle sweat. I'm curious as to how that's different to any other sweat. All I know, all I can think of now is tropic thunder, the energy drink. I can see now Gerald. Immediately knows what I'm talking about. So I will try and can it for you and send you both a can. A display of a canonite warrior and green armor, crouch low with its chainsawed out in a striking position. A display of a jacquero maintenance slave. A display of plain dummies wearing the resplendent armor of the ancient necrontaire, worn during the flesh times over 65 million years ago, placed across from the aforementioned displays in this gallery.

2:15:50Power plants of unknown manufacture, Manned Diodems worn by the pharaohs of antiquity, an aldari skimmer in the colors of a vanished clan. One of the most prominent exhibitions in this gallery is a stasis display of a great metal conqueror worm floating within. These were ceded on planets, the necront fleet bypassed to hunt their population to extinction. Nice, let's chuck a worm on that planet and leave it be. Yeah, it's very efficient, isn't it on the way past? Yeah. I mean, just imagine how hard it just kind of brings it into reality. Like he's working hard to collect this stuff. Well, how difficult must it have been to have found the armor of the ancient necrontaire from 65 million years ago? I guess he's had it for 65 million years.

2:16:53Yeah. Because that's sort of, I've got the old necrontaire gallery full of mournful curiosities with scrolls and long tarp pipes once make the pleasure. He has. Old cane from his biological life. The cane is made of hardwood and inlaid with ivory in the head of the cany-shaped like an old hook-feet god of wisdom. So he's held onto these things for like 65 million years. That's me. And with that, his original cane. I mean, he's looking at him burning. They didn't go to the first within really drachymen. Well, this is it. It makes me think, hang on, what are the chances that. They all go off at the get burn and it is what it is. They have the big sleep. What are the chances of this stuff not being messed with like to an extent I can see you share his his cane, but he was a clerk. So he's not going to be having armor lying around. So he's found that armor from someone else.

2:17:53And it sounds like there's a few set to be so to have gone out and found that armor. After that period of time, that's pretty cool. Well, you think did he come back out of the furnaces when he was in his new metal body? And we're like, well, no one wants any stuff anymore. So that's mine. That's mine. Like black must collect. Did he immediately have a new obsession? The second he had furnaces? I mean, we'll do the go back a few hundred years later and he was lucky. There was a few clay pots still lying around and broken. I mean, he's obviously kept them since then. I mean, that kind of thing hasn't survived millions of years on its own. No, yeah. I mean, to put it into context, the dinosaurs were 65 million years ago and they're fossilized. No. Yeah. So he's still got a clay pipe. I'm quite interested that his cane had like ivory on it as well. That's very human. Yeah. What did the ivory come from?

2:18:54Space elephants. Exactly. He also has the first contact exhibit. There's a primitive human spacecraft of rudimentary make with a golden disk affixed to its side. Said golden information disk contains humans repeating the same word in various languages. So he's got the voyager pro. Yeah. It's amusing when they drag stuff like that. And it's just to make sure you know that this is our future. This is your future, your sons of bitches. Yeah. Yeah. Don't you like that little touch? Like the emperor is said to have some of these kind of relics too. Like he has the Mars Lunar Rover. It's one of his relics. So that's always fun. Yeah. Yeah. Some other cure obviously he has. We have a whole list of this stuff. This is fantastic. He has a satan shard that. Trason is called the source of his power and the crown jewel of his collection.

2:19:55He has a fabled wraithbone choir of Altenzar. Altenzar fans help me out on that one. He has the preserved head of Sebastian Thor. An ossified husk of an enslaved. A giant man wearing Baroque power armor whose face is contorted in a permanent screen. Okay. Nice. So quit the collection. Yeah. Could I just point out the permanent screen? Mm hmm. That's very night lower, isn't it? Well, no, I'm thinking of the paint gauntlet. I'm going back there. I can hold out. You can. I won't be happy about it, but you can.

2:20:56And when he comes back, he's not going to the Imperial Fist. He's coming to the black templates. Okay. Now I'm happy about it. Now I have to be out. Here we go. What else is got? So he has an adeptus custodies that in itself is impressive. Just to have a custodies in your collection. A rud burrow ecosystem populated with said life form exhibit location dorm wood sector gallery. Yeah, I'm not going to read all of that. That's the one that's like that. Yeah. Yeah. Brother Cassiel of the blood angels seconded to the death watch. His face was frozen in a moment of fear. So it's going back. He's collecting moments. It's not just necessarily the things or the people. A display of dusk raiders destroyed by tyranny, splinter fleet, released by Orican raven god and salamanders battling on Istivan five.

2:22:01Nice. Doesn't he have an am I, I'm maybe completely wrong. Doesn't treason have something with the salamanders. There's a bit of beef. Yeah, he's been trying to steal like the seven relics that Vulcan left for his sons. But specifically like the spear of Vulcan. Okay, that's just justified my excuse for making a net chrono army because my meat plays salam, play salamanders. I just annoy him. Oh yeah. That's why it's already right. Yeah. So really they should just handle over because it's an evidence for these going to have it one day. So what else has got is got the carnax world spirit shrine. Acavarius war cat chan regiments temporal device containing the tyranid invasion of buras, which was sparked by treason himself. Of course, Harris heresy era ultramarines, the voice story.

2:23:03I can't say these first born regiments. Yeah, it's all just a bunch of made up nonsense, you know, by some nerds. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. The destroying first born. I'm not nonsense. They are, it's because I just do like book learning. I'm like, because I don't, I haven't played many battles. I'm like, people like if you bathen, you would discuss all this when you out loud. And then you probably couldn't spell it. Whereas I only read it in the books or talk about it endlessly with people. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm always on Google. How do you pronounce? All I can say is when I first attempted to read Harry Potter, I genuinely thought one of the characters was called Hermi one. Oh, the things he has is lost teneth regiments. So they're not the first and only anymore. So that's shitty for their moniker.

2:24:04No, that's lonely. Yeah, there we go. Got him. Salamand is the thought lost during the Colvarian disaster. Inquisitor Gray Fax and her retinue. Man, that model. Oh, it escaped that model. But it didn't last long, it seemed. The bell of Saint Grestol, the supposed of after causing irreparable damage to his forces and collection. And a 12 foot tall quark in power armor, more advanced than a Sardis power armor. Nice. Some other, some other things is a damage, but still functioning the Webway portal. A troop of Harlequins. And to bring up Lord Captain Loomie's comment about Fabius Bile, he has a massive stock of uncorrupted Empress children G'd seed, which he traded to Fabius Bile for. Next point, a perfect clone of Primark Fulgrim, as well as Flavius, Alkennex, and his warriors.

2:25:04And a bride of the Emperor. Nice. Perfect clone of Fulgrim. Yeah. Yeah, that takes some doing. Takes a little bit of doing. Yeah, does that make him as perfect or more perfect or less perfect? Yeah. And like when you clone him, do you get all his personalities or just one? Does he wave from the bathing? Does he use in the human like a full adult body, but he's actually got the mind of a toddler? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hang on, that's just Fulgrim anyway. Yeah. Yeah. So just to carry on the list, he's got a force of sisters of battle, a Mechanicus Megos, a force of dusk raiders destroyed after Oric and the Diviner freed a Kronos splinter fleet. That was in Tray's collection, an antique thread, not which apparently is all of them because they've just been legend. And all the deep gun.

2:26:04Yeah, yeah. And I did note that half of the aircraft we spoke about in the Imperial Armories episode, also gone. And an Australian mysterious. Sounds like a wrestler. Yeah. That's from one of the books. So you can learn a lot more about that one. Cool. That's got a link. Right. So I say he's also got a Kronos Terened Hive Tyrant. That Hive Tyrant causes a lot of trouble. That's quite a fun one. They will go, no, don't keep the Hive Tyrant pretty much alive. He's like, I can contain anything. And then, whoops, it's got to break. What do you have to do? I didn't come out that was sent to negotiate with Traveling. I love that idea that they tried to negotiate with him and he just kept them. It's like one of the collections, isn't it? Like a postcard. Negotiations went a little longer than expected. A few million years. Yeah.

2:27:04The negotiations at least went better than with the jacari so. He's got a destroyer Lord who attempted to scaring entire planet on its own. And a large tabloid of oak warriors in midcom. He does seem to have a lot of orcs. And I shouted the deceiver. Can't say. He's also got the ultimate primaries lieutenant Marcus Castus via the sanctum stronghold. He's got a bloody angel terminator, Raphaelio. He's got a death guard plague champion. Roof. Refugilious grew. He's also got Sazakans, Dynasty royal warden techno. Yes, these are all not words. Like they're all just somebody put some way to let a cat play with the keyboard for a bit. I don't know what they got up to, but. It's also got the chalice of entropy. So, so you know there's that theoretical thing of if you put 100 chimps in a room with tight wraps. How long would it take for them to make shakes?

2:28:05But this is about 50 years in. They can progress for not a masterpiece. They just made up fake Egyptian names. Yeah. That's good it is, isn't it? Like, before like the random name generators were any good like 20 years ago, they were using it. I bet they had a little like a pinwheel thing. You just turn it and it just highlights different letters. That's what it was. Yeah. If you like in the back of some of the books and the codex things where you can like throw your dice and there's just charts of various names. Maybe they had a lot of names to like line them up like, oh, the first letter is going to be completely random. They're like, we can't even pronounce that. They look good though. Like you said, when you're not saying about land, you're just looking at tight. Speaking of fake Egyptian names, he also has the Necron Overlord Saravak. Who not even his own, not even his own kind is safe.

2:29:05And it's so expensive. I'll take anything that doesn't move fast enough. He's got a Thunder Warrior, a splinter fleet of high of high split. Sorry words, a splinter fleet of high fleet Kronos, which becomes part of the war in the museum stuff. A long Eldori bone sword repeatedly carved from the finger of a god, a fabled Kronesword. So, Eldor, Eldor aren't going to be able to kill Slynesh anytime soon with that. A War of the Thumbs gallery, a bloody sectarian conflict of imperial fanatics fought over how thumbs should be placed when making the sign of the Aquila. Inner out boys, ladies, much way. They are so petty, just so petty in the Imperium. It just, oh my god, every little thing is there. The thing is you say that, but it's wars like that that create the death core of creaks. I'm down.

2:30:06Real life, real life wars have been fought over less. Let that sink in. It's just, it's just a lot. I mean, we say about petty point scoring as well between, um, Trasen and Orrican. I'd just like to point out historically, the Duke of Wellington went out of his way to sleep with one of Napoleon Bonaparte's mistresses. Nice. I would let, I would let that sink in. The Duke of Wellington. Just to score points against arguably the scariest man on the planet at the time, slept with his favorite mistress. Anyway, Absolutely. Now this tablo, I would love to see as a piece of art, the Siege of Mordia, uh, tablo, to picture line of troopers on the steps of Mordian's governor's palace, eliminators eliminating foes with sustained folly fire,

2:31:08and the invasion of Pestimude, Muda, Muda, Muda, this, that word, a collection of 700 orcs from war, Grimskull, freed from stasis during the invasion of the same, and Eldari, bonzing, irsing, the last note to finish her masterwork, an exquisite wraithbone helmet, freed from stasis, and a group of hernkin pioneers alongside their gravebikes, freed from stasis. Now see you go, a model of the silent king's palace complex alongside hunting chariot. Did you thought that that must be the least impressive part of his collection, that is just a model of it, like he hasn't actually got the palace complex, that is surely nothing to him. No, this is a scale replica. It's been a lot of money on it.

2:32:08So my local castle has a museum in it, and it's got a model of the castle in which the model is placed. Yeah, just ridiculous, that one I just know that for his collection, all those things he's got actual living people know he has a model of it. I mean, he probably couldn't go around stealing the silent king's palace, but still, one try at least. He's got arms and armor of the war in heaven. Now that's quite an interesting one, you're like what was actually preserved from the war in heaven. I want a book on the war in heaven. It's not like, I think they have a play about it, don't they? But seriously, I'm like, we need more details on this. I always pictured like taking these guys and then doing like some kit vashes, like give them some shuriken catapults, take some AOS elves where they look so regal and formal and like. Yeah, I think they'd make good war in heaven, Eldar. Yeah, so you've got Baroness Asangia and her ex-dites.

2:33:13Number of Talon desert writers and their horses. I love the fact they still have horses. I like sending christian like alien with an orange shell claws and smooth legs. And I like that. Yeah, I like when he's like, I don't know what the fuck you are, but I'm taking you. There's no name for it. Being a kid on the beach, just picking up the shiny thing. I don't know what you are, but I'm taking you home. It's like some oyster snake that you just chopped in their short pocket. But how does he name everything? Does everything have a net crime name or like, when he has the humans around and he has the human woman like helping him identify things, then they're labored in like Gothic, they don't name like the human language. So when he has no idea what that crafting is, does he have to track down some culture that did know what it was?

2:34:15Or does he just make up a name for it? Or is it just forever unnamed? Yeah, I think you'd probably want to hunt down and figure it out. What is this little thing? It's so magical and beautiful. It whispers to be able when I sleep. This collection, that's just how it grows, isn't it? Like, I've had this grab with it. What it is now, we need to collect a person who can tell me what the crap is. And if they don't speak my language, I need to collect a person who I can learn from to learn who this alien is. So slightly weird real life tangent here. So one of my hobbies for some time was collecting World War II memorabilia, military, and doing World War II living history. My grandfather was fantastic at Car Boot sales. He would find most obscure objects had a feeling about them being World War II or something. And he would go on these massive deep dives doing the researching what it was and it would turn out to be like three of them made in the world or known to exist.

2:35:171999. And it just smacked of that. He would pick things up just because they seemed interesting. So we could research them. And I guarantee that's what raisers doing. Yeah. I was turned out to just be a belt buckle. That's what it is sometimes when you hunt it. Yeah. He's also got a number of Katie and eighth in their command. A number of steel Legion. That fought on the YARC, a number of foul halon, a number of pitorian. He's got all the minis you can collect. He's one of those guys. He's got every official regiment model. He's got Morty and he's got ventrilla nobles. Ventrillian nobles and the Vastorian firstborn. He's got a number of things. And you know, we said in this episode before, honestly, he had he can have anything. You can pull anything out of this gallery and it's going to be okay and more friendly. And it'd be cool to make some lors as this is the starting point. Like you want to be an ultramarine horse, heresy company.

2:36:20Escape from trades and spout. Now you've got the good starting origins of a new chapter or something, but you can still have like roots or whatever. That's pretty, that's pretty good. Of course, like if you want to create a meme list of like stupid shit that he has too. But I have a list pulled up. We have the lors. Crabbs. The lors sex toy, the birth slanesh. Waldo. His original net, his original netcromb body. That's a good one. The last fallen dark angel, just so he controlled the fly and L Johnson and the dark angels. Yeah. And orc rock and orc rocket that is fully fueled for absolutely no reason. All the toilet paper that disappeared during COVID. A fully stocked super elaborate and probably expensive wine seller. Avodon's missing arms. All the expansions of the cursed city RPG. Omega on.

2:37:21Carmen Sandiego. Let's see here. Oh, a complete meme collection of humanity. A complete meme collection from 2000 to 2020. Oh, jealous. Yeah. Oh man, the original fidget spinner. Arch and lands personal memo. Excuse me. And what else is he have here? That's a good one. I can't say that one out loud. Never mind. Okay. That's enough. I can't say that. I'm going to add one in there. The geodron from every war hammer tournament. Oh, the entirety of GW's miniature catalog. Like, you know, you know when they look like suddenly these rare elusive models reappear.

2:38:23Like once that we were only ever designed. And they put into itself made depression. Yeah. It's crazier than, yeah. Yeah. Trazier. I don't think he'd want to share. Those are his things. Yeah, but he might be more interested in what happens. Perhaps something changes and he wants that. He wants the news. There's a person showing off and what in the share, so. No, he's very much that's mine. a person like he's just going like mine mine mine and it never be seen again. He'd put it on ebay let it run until like the last minute it's gone up to thousands and then just cancel it. I'm glad to part with it after all. I have it and none of you do. Yeah well I like this character very cool. I am excited to listen to his audiobooks Gerald you did a great voice and I'm sure the audiobook voice is very similar to that kind of you can just picture this type of character.

2:39:23Great job. Do you guys have any cool thoughts about him? Go around the table. Fishy? I can relate to him somewhat. I mean you might see that I have a slight collection of diction so I can kind of relate. However I will just clarify I do not have people wrapped up in your ham or legal appreciates that classification. Yeah you won't move them welcome. That mean yeah fishy took the words right on my mouth he is like like a tracins like tracins basically my 40k spirit animal as evident by my collection here. What you don't see is the all the miniatures that take a path for my master closet so there you go. Those are the ones that don't fit hidden away. And Tira and a girl and he thoughts on Trayzen? I think he is one of the most interesting characters and I hope Robert Rath continues writing

2:40:27more books where he can drag Oracan along on another adventure. If there are no more books I would be really disappointed because no more heresy books just 50 Oracan and Trayzen. They have such a different approach to most of the Warhammer Black Library books. It's actually enjoyable to read like lighthearted happiness like it's funny. There are a lot of very good stories in the Black Library but a lot of them are very grim and very hard going and they can be depressing read some of them. They can be so sad. Everyone dies all at a time whereas these books were actually a lot lighter and very enjoyable and a lot more fun adventure and I think there's a place for everything and I hope you do more fun. Yeah what a very nice palette cleanser from the Grim Dark for sure you know you can get a little bit of that with Oracan as well but it's nice that we have this other outlet too of this quirky character. And the Grim Darkness I guess you still can have a good time.

2:41:30Oh it's still Grim Dark but he's having a great time whilst he's doing it. Yeah very cool. Well thanks everyone this episode went long totally worth it. Thanks to everyone for joining and listening support the show on Patreon all that kind of stuff. Gerald Fischer you're always here so Adios but Taryn and girl thank you so much for joining us. You want to shout out your stuff? I happen to think to shout out but I had lots of fun. Yeah well perfect. Cool well we'll see you guys all on the next episode. I think the next one is Taryn one so see you then, Adios.