#2464 - Priyanka Chopra Jonas

0:00Joe Rogan, what is that? Check it out! The Joe, Rogan, experience. Showing my day, Joe Rogan, podcast my night! All day! I won't lie. I am nervous to talk to you. Come on. Just like me. How can you be nervous? That's ridiculous. Like I came in slightly intimidated. Why? I actually don't know the answer to that, because we've never met. Yeah. So it's not like you've intimidated me, just. I'm really, I think what I really enjoy about your show is just such an eclectic perspective on so many diverse things, and it comes like so naturally to you. I really admire that. Well, fortunately, I don't have anybody pick my guests, so it's all people that I'm actually interested in talking to. So it's easy. It's just stuff that I'm interested in. Oh, that's nice. Well, thank you for picking me. Oh, my pleasure. I'm excited to talk to you. Your movie is fucking crazy. It is. I knew it was a pirate movie, but I just did not expect the ultra violence

1:02like from the beginning. I was like, yo, like I locked in immediately. I was like, first scene. I was like, holy shit. Like this is crazy. Well, thank you. That's that good thing, right? What was that good thing, right? I mean, is it when you're doing something that's that hyper violent? Like, is that, does that freak you out at all? Like you're cutting people open with swords and stabbing them in the neck, and it's like, holy shit. When you're doing it, you know, it's like, make believe. So it's so much fun to be like, yeah, playing pirates. And I've got a bit ahead of you. But I mean, in moments of like scenes and stuff, where I actually had to think about what it must have been like to be a female at that time, or because they existed. Women, female pirates existed. And we just, we didn't hear much about stories about them. I mean, I heard about Grace O'Malley, maybe Mary Reed, like a few famous ones. Right. And I don't know, Ching Shee, after I did my research.

2:02But like, in those moments, you're like, this stuff must have, like this was real. They lived at a time where it was survival of the fittest. It was barbaric. And I wonder what that must have been like. But besides that, the stunts and stuff, like I really have so much admiration for the amount of precision it requires to pull that stuff off from so many people, not just the stunt department, but like the cameras, because they're also moving and syncing with you. Yeah. And that's cool. It is cool. Is it hard to stay in the moment when all that is happening? Because you have so much coordination. And so there's so much choreography. There's like, he's going to swing this way. And you're going to block it. And you're going to dive down. And it's like, it's so complex. Like these are long extended 15s. We had like a lot of winners too, like fold the whole scene in one shot. Whoa. Which Frankie our director really loved the idea of,

3:03and I honestly love it, because it brings you into that, that moment is so enriched with everything that you're supposed to feel between action and cut. So I do love a long winner. But, you know, I come from Bollywood movies. So we have a lot of choreography for like dance sequences, where stories are also moving forward like between, you know, your exchange of expression or something's happening somewhere else. You come back. So I treat sort of fight sequences like dancing. It's, you learn the choreography, but that doesn't stop your face from telling the story. Right. That makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, it is kind, I mean, it's just choreography. Whether it's choreography dance or choreography with movements or weapons. I had never worked with blades before this movie though. That was cool. How much training did you have to do? Like when you found out you're going to take the role. Yeah. How much preparation did you have to do physically to get ready

4:03for all that stuff? It was a cool year for me, because I was filming three jobs, which were all action and stunts. So this movie called Heads of State, which I did for Amazon again, and then Citadel and this movie. So it was a year of three action back jobs. So the, you know, being agile and being in it was already part of what I was doing, because that's what I was filming every day. But the Swords training was tough and to be ambidextrous with it as well. So I had my, my stunt coordinator who was doing all three movies with me. She in between shots. She and I would just take our rubber Swords out and do like choreography and rehearsals. But like it took at least three or four months of just staying in it and getting loose with it. Also because Karl Urban, my co-actor had casual, learned how to do like sword fights in the Lord of the Rings. Right. So he was amazing at it. So I didn't, you know, in that last duel, I didn't want to

5:03feel any less than. So I kind of went at it. You look very good at it. It was really good. Thank you. I was like, did you work with some sort of like a Kendo specialist or some fencing specialist? Like how did you learn how to move the sword correctly? It wasn't Kendo for sure and it definitely wasn't fencing. It was uniquely because the Swords were, our director was very, very excited about the weapons in this movie and wanting to get it really right from the period, whether it was the guns that we used or the blades that we used. The machete was one of my favorite weapons in the movie because that's like her weapon in the movie because it's practical, use it for coconuts, use it for skulls, same, same. And that was really fun. But our, you know, second unit director, Rob Alonzo, had so much experience in the amount of work that he's done prior. He came in with a very specific idea of wanting to make the fighting style super unique and each set piece, like a different design

6:07of choreography. So, you know, there was one which was in a dark cave. So the only time you saw people was when the gunshot went off and just different styles of fighting, which I thought was really cool. So, but did you have like a professional trainer that taught you how to do that? Yes. And so, how would you do it? Would you do it with a real sword? Would you do it with like... Well, we had three different kinds of swords. The real sword, like, weighs more than me. I wasn't saying I couldn't do it with the real sword as much. But for filming, and this is the magic of the movies, you know, you have four different weights of it. One is like the real sword where you need it for like, you know, where it's a close-up or the sword is really, really visible. But when you're doing the big choreography, you have like a lighter sword, which is created by the props department and then another lighter one. And when you need to flip it, it's the lightest one. So, I'm telling you all my secrets. That's good. Good to know. That sucks. Oh, no. No. Yeah, I was trying to impress you with my sword flipping. No, it's impressive, period. I'm talking about my fencing, but no, it was movie magic.

7:09One of the things that I was thinking when I was watching it, is like, how many takes a giant to do it this? Because that's got to be so hard to do. Because you're swinging this gigantic iron thing. Yeah. And clashing into other ones and like, if you have to do three or four takes this, your arms are going to be toast. Oh, we did like ten hours of it every day for like seven days or something. We have shoulder problems. No, actually, I didn't, but I was jacked. My arms never looked as good. Now, I mean, I have a four-year-old and I lift her a lot, so my arms are like, all right, but during this movie, because we were just like at it. Yeah. And we both, you know, threw ourselves at it, Carl and I. And it took, it was a big choreography. On top of this bluff, we shot on 100% of this movie. At least 90% is definitely on practical sets, real sets. We did not want to use a lot of VFX. So, you know, Phil Ivey, our production designer, we built the ships. We built the house. We built everything. Everything was a replica of what it would have looked like in the 1900s

8:09in the Cayman Islands. We went and saw it. It was amazing to be able to do that with real stuff, you know? Yeah. Well, the whole history of piracy is so fascinating. And one of the things that the movie is about, is this, the Carl Urban character is from, he was one of the soldiers of the East India trading company. Then I went on a deep dive on the East India trading company. He did. That is crazy. When you learn the history of that, one corporation is one of the first publicly traded corporations that essentially was in control of India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh, went to war with China over opium. And that's how they took over Hong Kong. You're like, holy shit. One crazy fucking corporation involved in the slave trade, the opium trade, just a corporation publicly traded corporation. People could buy stock in it, like one of the first ones. And it just went haywire.

9:09To the point where I got so big, there was a revolt. And then the British government took over it and nationalized it. But it's, the whole story is insane. If you think about how much, in their minds, they were able to achieve and how much they were able to destroy in that duration is crazy, if you go down history. Change the course of countries forever. Human lives forever. Forever. Like the amount of illogium that happened. Yes. Millions and millions of lives. And this movie actually has a really interesting slice of what they were capable of doing. They utilize pirates in order to, you know, take over new lands, right? And in their conquests. And then when piracy was abolished, they, you know, went after them and they wanted to arrest them. And they vilified the same people that helped them build their entire empire. So this was really interesting because my character's story

10:11of her parents and her family are indentured servants, which was the truth of many, many people, especially in India, where young people were, you know, told better opportunities, new lands, more money, come with us and take them off as servants and then drop them in different parts of the world in islands. And the Caribbean has a huge Indian community, whose history started with just being displaced from their lands and dropped somewhere else in the world and then having to figure out what your future looks like. I mean, it still happens to many, many people around the world right now. But I thought it was really interesting that my character came from that and her entire identity was erased, taken from her. She had no idea. She was 12. So she had no idea what it meant to have that identity. And I met so many people actually when I went to the game on who don't know anything about their family tree beyond like five generations.

11:13Or they know where their family may have come from, from Sri Lanka or from India or, you know, any other nation. But I have no idea what it was where, from what village, like what was your culture. And that ambiguity in a history of a human being erases a part of you. It denies you of knowing the depth of your culture or where you come from or your roots. And I thought that was really, really interesting for my character to play and then reclaim herself through the journey of the movie. What's a fascinating part of human history? Yeah. And it's taken place all over the world. And for a lot of cultures, they don't have an understanding of exactly what happened before they were colonized. Yeah. Like one of the great examples is Mexico. I went in a long deep dive on Mexico recently over the last few months

12:15because I've had a bunch of people who are historians who came on the podcast who were just researching these ancient anchor and my insights and talking to them about it. And then I went into it and it's like there was over a hundred different languages that are just lost forever in that whole what is now called Mexico. And that's the reason why everybody other speaks Spanish and is Catholic. Like it's not because that was their language and that was their religion. They were all conquered. Absolutely. I mean by like 600 guys. That's what's nuts. Yeah. 600 guys and the 1500s came over, took over, you know, what was the Aztec Empire with help of the people that they were in conflict with and changed the course of the entire country. For so many generations. For forever. Like to this day people in Mexico think they speak Spanish and they have a Catholic religion. Well that's all brought over from Spain.

13:16Like the entire country. They had wild names too. Like Cacao, thunder, sky god and all these different. Like almost like Native American type names. Wow. They looked like Native Americans. And but if you think about it, doesn't that make sense? That makes so much sense. Yeah. They probably like shed land and crops and like. Well there was no real. There were no borders. No, back then. I mean what were countries in the 1500s in North America? Like what was, we don't even know. Like what was North America? I mean I think about how young America is technically. Super young. Like how many years? 300 years? 400 years? Yeah, less than 300 years. Yeah. And like you were talking about history in India, she has been invaded over thousands and thousands and thousands of years. Only invaded. We've never invaded anybody else. She's not at the time. And she's like just gave me up. Right? Yeah. The Portuguese, the British, the moguls like from back in time.

14:17And the history of India, I mean I'm not a historian. And I don't claim to be. But I find it really fascinating. I love culture. And especially the culture of India. Like you will see my grandmother was Catholic. Because she comes, she was raised in a part of India which was colonized and a lot of people with Kerala. A lot of people were converted into Catholicism. And she grew up Catholic. And you know she followed it for a very long time in her life. India is like hyper diverse because of how many people have kind of made it her roots. So when you go to India, the amount of diversity you will see, the kind of the range of people that you will meet is impossible to fathom. Like an Indian face does not look like a particular person. Or the amount of cultures, the languages we have written and spoken languages which are almost like 20 something or in their 30s. Absolutely different alphabet, absolutely different sound.

15:18I can't, if I go to another state, I won't be able to understand what people are saying. Wow. It's amazing. How many different languages are spoken there? About 28 to 30. But there are dialects in their hundreds. Oh, wow. Don't even get into the dialects. I just speak English and Hindi. Understand a little bit of Punjabi and Marathi, but it's really amazing. Now, have you ever been by the way? No, haven't. Oh, you would really, you're the kind of guy who likes a deep dive. Yeah. You would really lose yourself, I think. Well, I want to go just to see, for many things, but just to see that one immense temple that was carved entirely out of stone, is one of the great mysteries of archaeology. But there are quite a few, if you go especially south of India and the caves, if you go inside the Andamananikabar, like the caves, you'll see from thousands and tens and thousands of years ago,

16:18illustrations that you're like, how did this happen? How could this temple have been chiseled? Or how could these storms have been moved at that time? Right. It makes me very, very curious about what kind of tools did we have back then? Well, there's a lot of holes in human history for sure. Graham Hancock has a great quote. He says that we are a species with amnesia. And I think that's accurate. And I think when you find some of the great archaeological wonders where people just have decided, oh, they built it this way and then just let it go. And then other people start looking at it and go, wait a minute, how? How do they do this? Like, when did they do this? Like, what's the historical record of this? Because this is kind of nuts. This seems to indicate like a very advanced sophisticated society. Yeah, a very advanced civilization. Like, one of the oldest civilizations in the world, along with the Mayans, is the Indus Valley civilization,

17:20which is the north of India. Yeah. And I just remember studying about it in school, and that's my maximum understanding of that civilization but also like having visited the Indus River, I guess. But I remember like the artifacts that were found and like if you do a deep dive into how that civilization existed and then how it was erased. And it makes you question like, there had to be some seriously advanced scientific understanding that was eventually lost as human evolution happened where we lose a civilization and then comes back again. But it just makes you wonder about early humans and how fascinatingly advanced we would have had to be to do all of that. 100%. Yeah. Without the technology and stuff that we have, I mean. I think they had technology. I think they had a different technology. I think so too.

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19:22That's an $111 value at drinkag1.com slash Joe Rogan. This one particular temple that I'm talking about. Jamie, do you know the temple I'm talking about? The one insanely massive one that's built into the side of a mountain. Collease a temple. This is it. This is crazy. This is what I meant. Because the precision, first of all, there's no understanding of where the stone went. Like they moved. Who knows how many? How did you take out all of those tons of rocks? Yes. It's so insane. Look at this. The precision is spectacular. It's so nuts when you see videos of people going through it. Oh, huge is that. Emense. Absolutely immense and incredibly precise. Wow. And just carved out of a solid piece of stone. The whole thing is carved out of the mountain. Think about how old that is. Like this is all BC before Christ.

20:23Like thousands and thousands of years. Yeah. BC. And the history of India, like, hence the diversity. You see, it's one of the oldest civilizations in the world. And then, like, how do you explain that? Look at that image. So it says it's 12. What does it say? How old did it say it was? 12 hundred. How do they know that? I can't be right. The 1200 years old. See, there's a lot of just estimates based on what was the civilization at the time. Yeah. And there's no, like, this is the thing with Peru. Like, with Saksaiwamon and a lot of these places. Yeah. They attribute it to the Incas. But you see, like, traditional Incas structures on top of these immense stones. There are a hundred tons that carved these weird jigsaw patterns as to absorb the energy if there's an earthquake. Wow. Like, it's weird shit. And it's like, okay, well, who did that? So like, oh, the Incas did it. Like, how? How did they do that? Because all their other structures are small stones stacked on top of each other in a way. Like, you could see a person carrying them and cutting them.

21:24Makes sense. But there's a lot of stuff like that temple. Like, explain to me what you used. There's no explanation. Like, how? Like, just metal. You just use metal and carve that out like that? And like, just a chisel and human. And if you fuck up once, it's over. Because you're not putting things on top of things. Like, oh, this block sucks. Let's get a new block. No, you're carving. Do you change the design if there's a fuck up? Like, you know what I mean? If you're trying to build like a human form and you chisel off the nose, I do turn it into something else. I don't know. Probably. Otherwise, because it's just one piece and you're right, you're not adding anything to it. Well, in Egypt, there's indications that they abandoned certain pieces because they cracked. Because when you're dealing with, you know, granite. And there's certain, specifically, there's a gigantic obelisk that they were carving out. I mean, I think it was like 1,300 tons, like something bananas. Like, okay, how are you going to move this fucking thing? But they got to a certain point where there's a crack in it.

22:26And so they had to abandon it. And so it's still there. Is it there? Yeah, it's still there. I think that's in, it might be in Oswam. I'm not sure where it is. You know, like, you know, the theories around the Egyptian pyramids, obviously. Like, how were those blocks carried up? There's no valid theory. Zero. Was it in that shape? And so precisely, geometrically, you know? Well, it's even more complicated now. Because there's an Italian scientist that we had unreasonably called Philippo Bonondi. My saying right, Biondi? He's amazing accent this guy. He's fucking incredible. But he's using, what is it? Radio, Doppler, tomography. So it's a type of satellite imagery that uses some technology to get a vision of what's under the ground. And they've used this successfully to show known caverns in the ground and known pyramids.

23:27And they even used it in Italy to show that they can look through a 1.2 kilometer mountain and see underneath this particle collider and have an exact dimension of the particle collider and see with the other. So they used this on the pyramids. And they found these immense structures under the pyramids that go over a kilometer into the ground. With massive, these huge 20 meter diameter columns that have these huge circular coils wrapped around them. No one knows what the hell they're looking at. But they're in very precise positions. They've done over 200 scans of these things. They don't know what they are. They don't know what's the purpose of all this, who made this. So this turns out to be accurate. And they're very confident that it's accurate. And they're starting to look into it deeper. And they're trying to figure out how to get down in there and explore with drones or something.

24:29Then the whole thing gets thrown into question. Because it's preposterous enough that you have someone who's able to cut and place 2,300,000 stones that's perfectly aligned to two North-South-Eastern West. Some of them weigh as much as 80 tons that come from 500 miles away through the mountains, no roads. Like how'd you do it? That's crazy. That's crazy. But if there's structures underneath that that go a kilometer into the ground, and there's a giant, like huge square at the bottom, they don't know what it is. But these are structures. There's not like something that is just a naturally occurring stone. Yeah, it was man-made. Show her an image of it. It's fucking cookie. So what is that like how? So these are these columns. This is like what the image is a trillion and the three-dimensional replication of what they think is. That's what they think it looks like underneath there. They have no idea what these things are. What? There's also, is that Hawara that has that underground labyrinth?

25:36They've also found the Herodotus wrote about these labyrinths. There's a great channel on YouTube called Uncharted X by this guy Ben Van Kirkwick who's been on the podcast before he's great. And they've used radio, well they used ground penetrating radar in that location. They've found that these immense labyrinths are real. They're there. They're huge. Herodotus said it's greater than Giza and it's underground. And in the center of one of these atrium, there is a 40 meter metallic object that shaped like a tic-tac. It's in the center of this, yes. So there's a bunch of shit that they don't, they can't explain down there. Where you're like, okay, what is this? They also know that a lot of these civilizations, like later versions of it, took from some of the older sites and started building new things or built on top of them, like very disrespectfully, but nobody had an idea of like the importance of history back then.

26:37You're just trying to stay alive. And so they found all these stones and it looks to use these stones. So in India, like when we were colonizing, you hear stories of the British officers telling like little kids that, hey, I'll give you two pounds, go and get the gold statue from this temple or whatever. And you don't have comprehension of what the value of historical things were, that there was so much that was taken from India in terms of wealth and history and historical artifacts and the Kohinur Diamond, which is still on the Queen's crown, which came from India. And like so many things, which were... The Kohinur Vingland? Yeah. She has a diamond on her crown that she stole from it. You can pull it up, Kohinur Diamond, kill H-I-N-O. Give it back. Give it back. Yeah, we've been asking for it for a minute. We have. Although the history of England and India is not stupid, that's the diamond. Oh, how big is that sucker?

27:37How big is that thing? How big is that thing? How big is that thing? How big is that thing? I think it's about 300 carrots. Whoa. Yeah. What's that worth? Well, besides the historical value of it, which is probably priceless, what is 105 carrots worth? That's nuts. A couple million, a hundred million. A couple million, a hundred million. Yeah. Whoa. I mean, that's what I'm saying. The royalty in India had so much jewelry and wealth and stuff that was billaged and just taken. Well, the history of India is fascinating. Like, in the Vedic texts and the descriptions of Vimanas. Have you ever read any of that stuff? Yeah, the Vedas. Not extensively, but clearly you have. The Vimanas, it's like, what are you talking about? You're talking about flying crafts? Yeah. Like, what do you... The thing you go, if you do a deep dive into the mythology of India and the stories that come from there, the kind of technology that has been mentioned in these ancient texts,

28:43like the Vimanas, you're saying, you have flying objects, you have spears with some sort of energy. You have bows and arrows with some sort of energy that travels beyond time and light. And there's so much of all of this stuff referenced back then, which maybe humans thought was magic, but was some form of ancient technology, like who's to say, but we do definitely believe in Indian mythology if you go back into Hinduism and the incredible stories that exist. Like, I love to think about where the origin, like where it must have come from. But there's so many fascinating, fascinating stories from then. I have an opinion that most people that were writing things down back then were trying to document a truth. Yeah, for sure. I don't think they were trying to make up stories. No, I think it was definitely their truth. From our perspective, now, we have to be like, how do you break down the truth of, you

29:46know, that there was this light that arrived from miles and miles away and it felt like, I don't know, was it a bomb? Like, what was it? Right. What was it of that time? Right. I've tried to interpret that. I mean, I believe in the mysticism and the magic of ancient humans and, you know, the beginning of time, there's no way to explain what and how that was. You know, we have the information we do from religious texts and historians of the past, but it's just really fascinating to think about how resilient and human beings have been and how evolutions have had the same problems over time, but we kind of just navigated through different worlds, you know? I think, yeah, I think it's hard for us to grasp timelines. And then when... Who would be impossible to think about, like, how short a human life span used to be? Right. To where it is now. Our stories have to come from, like, people telling people stories or documenting them,

30:50right? Right. And those stories, like, when you're talking about certain passages in the Bible or certain passages in any religious text, a lot of those were stories that were just handed down for generations and generations before anybody wrote anything. Yeah. So it's like, what were they trying to remember? Like, when they were talking about flying vimanas, like, what were they talking about? Like, what did they experience? And how long ago was it? I don't think we have a real understanding of how long ago it is. I mean, 17,000 BC is where or around that time, that many years ago, is what they say, but again, that makes sense. Well, that makes sense if you take into account the 20,000 BC. There's a guy named Randall Carlson who's been on my podcast a few times, and he's a really fascinating guy. And he's an expert in asteroid collisions with Earth. Wow. And he's an expert in all of the different times that Earth has been slammed by comets

31:52and meteors. Is that how the dinosaurs were? Yes. So it did. It was an asteroid. Yeah. They believe so. It was in the Yucatan, that one. That's the 65 billion years ago one. But there's other ones that are that are before they're at before that. Yeah. And then there's other ones that are after that. Yeah. One of the more interesting ones is called the Younger Drys Impact Theory. And that one's from about 11,800 years ago. And then again, they think somewhere in the 10,000 years that happened. So there's a comets storm that we pass by. I think it's every June in November. Forget what the time is. But this is like also a line with, do you know about the Tunguska event have you ever heard of that? No. In the early 1900s, a meteor exploded in the sky above Russia and devastated like a million acres of land. And it was during the same time period. And they realized like there's this comets storm that we pass through. Like when you see meteor showers during the sky, it's because we're passing through these areas of our solar system that have these comets.

32:55This is the Tunguska event. So it just, and to this day, that area has no trees on it. Whoa. Yeah. So it just flattened everything. And it didn't even impact the ground. It blew up in the sky above it. And this was not even a big one. So how does like nothing grow again? Like what? It's a good question. What is that asteroid made of that you can like Earth has been able to come back from so much? Yeah. It's a good question. It's crazy. It's just maybe it's just not enough time. I don't know. I mean, 117 years, maybe eventually. Yeah. It means like a millennia. But it probably just blew the roots off of everything. It blew everything into smithereens. And it probably had some kind of chemical effect, too, because it's a physical object. I don't know what it was made out of. But you know, some of them are made out of iron. Some of them are made out of nickel. Like that big one that they saw, three eye, atlas, the past room. Yeah. That was a weird one because they're like, this is a nickel alloy that is as big as the

33:56size of Manhattan. And the only way we have it on Earth is an industrial manufacturing of an alloy. But this thing, in another planet, somewhere else millions and millions and millions of years ago was formed under whatever weird circumstances and conditions. Their planet has. But you, I mean, I want to know your thoughts on this. But you definitely don't think we're like the only species existing in the universe, right? I don't think that's possible. It's human arrogance if we think we do. Yeah, that seems silly. Yeah. It doesn't make sense. There's just too many planets. It's a silly thing to think. And they found evidence of life on Mars. So they found evidence of some sort of bacterial life on Mars, like the traces of bacterial life. And that's, you know, right there. That's what I'm saying. Maybe it's just in within our Milky Way that we, I mean, we haven't even been able to travel outside of that yet, you know, to get information. But it has, there has to be other species that exist and other, like, intelligence and

34:58technology. Do you know the actor, Terrence Howard? I mean, I know of him. Fascinating. He got, like, a little cookie, but super smart, like super smart. He's got some wild ideas. One of his ideas, I was like, wait, what? He thinks that life occurs when planets get a certain distance from their son. And then over time, they get too far out. And then life doesn't exist in those planets anymore. But when they're in this Goldilocks zone, like Earth is, for a long period of time in relative to our life, life exists. And then intelligent life emerges and figures out, hey, we got to get out of here eventually. Because this is not going to sustain us. And then it propagates the world or the universe rather. And he thinks that there's a thing that happens and he calls it peopling. He thinks that when a planet gets farther enough from the sun, that it eventually peoples.

36:01Because it eventually reaches the right conditions where life emerges and evolution takes place and natural selection and random mutation. All these things converge and eventually you get an intelligent creature that knows how to manipulate its environment. Is there any proof of planets like moving away from their son? Well, they all do slowly, very slowly. Like so even our solar system, we're all like slowly. Yeah. And also the sun is eventually going to burn out and explode and then we're fucked. But that's a long time from now. But there's enough shit to be worried about. Nothing's permanent. Like all the suns are not perfect. And we're lucky. We have a slow burn sun. So we have a relatively small sun. And there's a lot of weird speculation that it's part of a binary solar system too. That there might have been another version of our sun that burned out. That's like way out there. Like way out in space.

37:01Like way past Pluto way out there. I'm by that. It's possible. I mean, there's a lot of wacky theories as to why there seems to be some large object that's outside of our vision. That's way way past Pluto. So there's a thing called the Kuiper belt that's outside of Pluto. And that's part of what Pluto is, which is why they decide to stop really planning anymore. But they think there's something else out there that's a large, they call it Planet X. They think there's, it's a lot of like weird speculation, whether or not it's real. But they think there might be a large body, larger than Earth, like Jupiter size or something, like way out there. And it might be a sun. It might be a burnt out sun. Like a burnt out sun that was just crazy. And same. Well, Earth alone, like Earth, the reason why we have the Moon supposedly is because Earth was hit by another planet. There's Earth alone. So was the moon part of the Earth? The moon was like a big chunk of that collision that burst off. And then became the moon. So there's Earth one. So does that happen with all the planets, like because all the planets that have their

38:01own moons are explosions, maybe? There's a question, good question. I mean, maybe some of them are in the lower mints of asteroids that got caught in the gravity. And maybe of them, maybe it's volcanic activity. I don't know. I think a lot of its asteroid impacts too. They knock off giant chunks and those chunks start orbiting that planet. So does that mean that all of those planets do have like a gravitational pull as well? Oh, yeah, they're all pull. Yeah, whatever. And how strong would that gravitational pull be? It depends on the mass of the planet. Like Jupiter, for example. Jupiter is what protects us. The reason why we don't get hit and a lot is because Jupiter's so big. So Jupiter is so much mass and so much gravity that it's like our big brother that like protects us. Oh, thanks, Jupiter. For real. Yeah, but no, that's great. And they actually observed an impact on Jupiter. I want to say it was in the 1980s where an enormous asteroid slammed into Jupiter and created a earth-sized explosion.

39:01Which separated from it? No, it just got absorbed it. Jupiter just absorbed it. But they watched it in real time. And it was a way bigger explosion than they thought it was going to be like, yo. So then they have to like recalculate like, oh, how big was that thing? And it made a literal impact as large as the earth. Oh, my God. I have to see that video. Well, that's the solar system is just a fucking shooting gallery. Which brings us back to this younger, driest impact theory, which is one of the predominant theories as to why ancient, super advanced civilizations completely disappeared. There's no evidence of them. And there's a lot of physical evidence. When they do core samples of the earth, they find there's a lot of erudium. Which is very common in space, but very rare on earth, which indicates some sort of an impact. And then they also find microdiamonds. These nuclear diamonds, I think they call it trinitite. And they first observed this when they did the trinity explosion.

40:03So the nuclear explosion created these microdiamonds on the ground, just some massive impact of explosion, heat, and energy. Well, they find those littered all throughout the world in the same core sample timeline of like 11,800 years. So they think we were just bombarded. So a lot of these things, like these temples in India, perhaps the pyramids, some structures that were stone, probably just survived. No, for sure. There's so much that has survived, I think, from like a timeline we can even explain. I mean, in India, we see so much of it. So many of our texts, the Vedas are, you know, the oldest texts in the world. And to be able to like read stories, which now maybe we imagine our stories, but I probably reality of a civilization gone by, is just crazy to think about. I think more likely than not. Yeah. And I think more and more over time, people are opening up, opening up to this possibility.

41:04They recently just found written language that is 28,000 years old. And that, they thought that human written language was created about 6,000 years ago. And they found evidence of language so that they're like, okay, that's a giant difference. But how can we also know what happened in so many parts of the earth when anyway the earth was moving, right? Like the continents, what it looks like right now is not. What it probably looked like 20,000 years ago, like it's been slowly moving. I feel like how are we supposed to know like someone who writes a book, say in Mexico, like what happened then in Australia or what happened? What was the history in like India? You know what I mean? Right. Especially 15, you know, like 1,000 years ago. When they were writing about stuff back then, they were just making shit up. So the shit that we need. Human may have used these mysterious symbols to encode information tens of thousands of years before the first writing systems.

42:0440,000 year old artifacts. Yeah. So it's some kind of way of documenting things. Of communicating. You know, if these people like Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson are correct, there was some sort of a very, very advanced civilization pre 11,800 years ago. And this also coincides with the end of the ice age. It coincides with all of the ice caps over North America disappearing. North America was covered like three quarters of North America was covered like a mile high sheet of ice, went away like that. That's why the Great Lakes exist. The Great Lakes are just that ice melted and then whatever was left just ran through the country. And you can see the physical evidence of it when they show satellite images. It looks like enormous amounts of water just destroyed the landscape and completely carved it and changed it. What do you think happened with, and I wonder if you have, because you have so much extensive knowledge with the amazing guests that you have on the show, how did we go from Neanderthal

43:07or early man to this technology driven like really smart, intelligent, like what happened in history and the evolution of human beings that we were able to make that switch so quick? It's a real good question. There's a lot of, you know, I've heard theories, but I want to know yours. If I didn't worry at all about being ridiculous, and I don't, I was, you don't. That was a no need for that precursor, but if I didn't worry about it, I would say something helped us. I did. That's what I think. Yeah. I don't think it makes sense that that didn't take place. Yeah. It's crazy to think about how that happened and how quickly it happened. Yeah. There's a lot of like weird stuff with us. Also, all those other primates are still around, except the early man ones, you know, that's what's weird. It's like why aren't, you know, how come chimpanzees are kind of the same?

44:09How come all these other primates are kind of the same? And yet we need clothes to stay warm. Yeah, like a mammoth to an elephant, you know what I mean? Yeah. Like, still similar. Yeah, it makes sense. How do we have like planes and why do we like things and how could we make cups and stuff? Yeah. Why do we change our environment that way? Why do we have this insatiable desire to innovate, insatiable, like we, that's the number one thing that we do. It's constantly changing. Constantly making new and better things, never satisfied with anything new. Everything has to be better. It doesn't matter how good your car is, what's the next year's model going to do? Yeah. No matter what your phone does, I want better pictures, bitch. Like, no matter why it's always like, we want something to be better all the time. And it's like, you want up what we had, but I think that I think it's built into us. And I think that is a part of this process of becoming a human being. And I think it's leading us to develop AI. That's what I really think. But I think we, most likely, something intervened.

45:12Now, there's a lot of people that think the rational people think that it was the invention of fire and the cooking of food that gave us better access to nutrition and protein and then innovating in order to hunt, allow the brain. But it was such an accelerated period of time. It went like so quickly. The human brain size doubled over a period of two million years, which is the greatest mystery in the entire fossil world. It's crazy. Yeah. Like, what made that happen? We don't know. But in religious texts, ancient religious texts, there's many stories of human beings breeding with something from somewhere else. That's a part of it. Alien intervention. Yes. I'm trying to sound ridiculous. Hyper-intelligent life form. But if you think about it, if... I was watching a show about that and I was like, that makes sense. What was the show you're watching? Do you remember? Ancient Aliens. That shows the best. It's so silly. It's amazing.

46:12But I was like, two in the morning, I'm like, oh. My friend, Action Bronson, he used to do a show. He doesn't do that show anymore, does he? They would get super baked and watch ancient aliens. It'd be like, bro. Ancient Aliens is rad. I love that show. Two in the morning. Oh, it's fun. It's very fun. I think they're right about some of those things. I think there's something to it. I mean, that is one of the oldest biblical texts that wasn't included in the canon that is the Bible, is the book of Enoch. And I had Anna Paulina Luna on the podcast and she brought that up and I was like, she really should read that. So I read it and you start reading and you're like, wait, what the hell are they talking about? The watchers came down from the sky to mate with humans and created the Nephilim, a race of giants that destroyed the earth. You're like, what are you talking about? Like what is this? This isn't the Bible and it would have been in the Bible if it not for a few rabbis that

47:15decided this doesn't jive with the Torah. And so they said, we've got to get that out of there. And that's why it's not taught along with the book of Ezekiel and all these other things that are in the Old Testament. Wow. Versus like in Hindu mythology also, we read about a time where God, human and demon existed at the same time and procreated and created different realms and life and stories. And so it's like when you think about stories like that, stories, beliefs from around the world that have similar sort of color, it's almost like trying to connect the dots of what must have happened at that time, you know, all around the world. It's probably the same thing, you know, some sort of incredible technology. Yeah. And a lot of them have these stories of something of some kind of higher nature, higher power,

48:16higher technology, intervening in the lives of human beings. And even manipulating the process of the relationship. Yeah, but isn't that what I think was referred to as the gods? Yes. Like if you think about the Roman, you know, or Egyptian, like gods, I'm not going to speak about culture, but I can't even say about ours. But that power that we read about, you know, that like if you go into it, I'm a big believer so I think that, you know, was that like a real experience that happened to a human being at that time? A real experience with someone that had a limited vocabulary, a limited amount of knowledge and a limited ability to write things down. And so they probably still told these stories from whatever words they could use to describe what this was. Like if you were living 30,000 years ago, 40,000 years ago in a UFO landed, a giant metallic disc landed, and little tiny creatures came out and talked to you telepathically, you

49:21don't have a written language, you don't, your cultures hunter-gatherers, like how do you tell that story? How do you tell that story? And what are the people that you told that story to going to tell their children and their grandchildren for many, many, many, many generations before anybody figures out of the right things down? Totally. Another perspective on this which people have is, is that our pragmatic, practical, 2026 human trying to explain something that was magical and did exist at a time that we, we don't have an explanation for. Yeah. You know what I mean? For sure. Like, there's the other side of that with people that, you know, you hear so many stories of visitations from the gods back then, you know, to humans and the divinity of, at least in my country for sure, of different avatars of gods coming down to earth to save human kind and to help in human salvation and to help them against evil.

50:24So when you hear of those stories, like the practical side of me was like, are those human stories and who is that, that power that they were seeing at that time? And then there's a side of you which is like, there's so much we can't explain and sometimes have to like, leave it to inexplicable magic of the universe. Like, I am someone who loves science, but I also am a believer of that, it just can't explain everything. Well, even science itself, like hardcore materialist science. Totally. If you're trying to explain the big bang, good fucking luck. Good fucking luck. Making sense out of something smaller than the head of a pen that became everything that's in the universe. Okay. Like, explain that to me. Help me out. Totally. I mean, it's all theoretical and speculative and no one really knows. And then there's this concept of what took place before the big bang. And then there's Sir Roger Penros' version of it, which is there's been many versions

51:27of the big bang expansion, then contraction, and that it's not the beginning, that it's a part of an endless cycle. That's what I've, I mean, I've heard from India as well, the believer belief that that was not kind of the beginning. There's been many beginnings and many ends that you have no idea of. That makes more sense to me. It makes more sense because I think the problem with a beginning, we like, well, what was here originally? We always want to think of things in terms of our own biological limitations. We have a birth and we have a death. So we think that the universe probably... Everything has a limitation. Right. Yeah. The why? It's there. It's a... Like time. What is time's limitation? Right. It's existed from... Who knows where? Right. It's constant. It's never not been here. Yeah. So the idea that there was nothing before the universe, well, that doesn't even make sense. It's funny when I was doing research for The Bluff, this movie, I went to the Cayman Islands for a couple of days to get an understanding of the history of the islands. And the Caribbean is so interesting, especially Cayman because it's in the middle of these

52:29trading routes between Honduras, Cuba, Mexico. So ships, when trading started, is when the Cayman was discovered, the islands were discovered. So when I went down there, I went to the museum and they said, yeah, it was like the 1700s or 1800s when the first settlers came and, you know, it started with family or like people trying to run away or pirates or, you know, just people making pit stops before going to another country. And they said that that was the first time that there was any history of the island. And I was like, how's that possible that only when like settlers found that... And now, I mean Cayman Islands, Cayman Islands. Right. But how... Like, if you think about, there's so many places in the world where people and humans have existed way before we even have an understanding of or a willing to acknowledge, you know, in many cultures, it's different. But it's... Well, we just lost the history of it, that's possible too.

53:31That's what my argument was. I was like, you know, like, we have to have lost the history of what happened prior. There's an entire culture from South America that we don't know who they were, the Olmex. We have some giant carved heads and we're like, oh, who did that? They think it's like thousands and thousands of years old. They look African. It's very strange. Do you see... Have you seen Olmex heads? Oh, here's a look like this. That's an Olmex head. Like, how nuts is that? Like, that's a replica of these enormous heads that are in, I think, is it Peru? Luke Caberns, who's been on the podcast. Yeah. He's a really fascinating guy who does a lot of research down there. He's been there and documented and he's like, they don't know who these people were. They don't know what their language was. They don't even know what they looked like except for these images. And they don't even know if these images are supposed to be of them, like these statues. They just see if you can find some of these heads so you can see, like, the scale of them.

54:38So they left these enormous stone heads. They attributed to this one civilization that they call the Olmex. They just made a name up. But they don't know who the hell these people were. And look at their faces. Like, that's crazy. That's huge. Yeah. And do you know how old these might be? They don't really know. But I think how many thousands of years old do they think they are, Jamie? Crazy stuff. Yeah. So at least 900 BC, but, you know, what does that mean? Yeah. That's a guess. That's a guess. Because they don't know anything. A long time ago. A long time ago. Well, even the Aztecs, you know, the Aztecs didn't build those temples. They found them. The Aztecs found that. They found them. They found them. They found them from an unknown previous civilization. Oh my God. Yeah. They called those temples the place where the gods were born. Yeah. That's what they call them. They just kind of like cleaned it up.

55:38Which kind of makes sense? Because you think like how barbaric the Aztecs were. Like, they did some horrific shit. Like we were talking about one of the temples. I think it was the No-Chitlon. When they consecrated it, they killed between 20 and 80,000 people. They sacrificed them in a period of four days. And so this is like right when the Spanish were first visiting Mexico thinking about taking over. This guy Diaz, a Spanish chronicler, said it was the fucking craziest thing. They killed 80,000 people, he said over a period of four days. Just cut their hearts out and threw their bodies down the stairs. Like nuts. This episode is brought to you by Intuit Turbo Tax. April 15th is coming fast. There's been so many tax law changes this year, which means you're going to need an expert who has your back. You're in luck. Turbo Tax now has in-person locations nationwide. Walking to their tech-enabled stores and meet face-to-face with a Turbo Tax full service

56:40expert who will get your best outcome. Your expert works to get you every dollar you deserve while updating you as you go about your day. Head to TurboTax.com to find a store near you. Like, so these are the people that work- Yeah, you think about how countries were conquests happen and we're living in the history of so many people's blood and sacrifices and violence, the unfathomable amount of violence. So capable of that kind of violence, having done a really violent movie right now. Because chimps, because we're mostly chimp and I think if you pay attention to chimps, like if you ever see... Chimp behavior, yeah. Chimp nation on Netflix. I haven't. Fantastic. Fantastic. It's just, it's spectacular because it is a rare, rare situation where this one particular group of chimpanzees, they were embedded with these scientists for 20 years.

57:44So the scientists had very specific rules. Don't get within 20 yards of them. Don't make eye contact with them. Don't have any food with you. Okay. And don't interfere. And they're, they're totally accustomed to having people around them so they behave totally naturally. Yeah. So they behave like they would in the wild because they're used to these humans. Exactly. And when you watch it, you're like, oh my god, they are a lot like us. They're a lot like us. Just like very primitive, no language, but ultra violent. Chimps are ultra violent. I mean, that one of their favorite foods of this guy was telling me was monkeys. They just love eating monkeys. He goes, we saw them kill so many monkeys, we couldn't even document it. He goes, because if it would just be like every day was like a monkey hunt, they would tear these monkeys apart and eat them alive. It's horrific. That's our ancestors. So what we are is a combination, like if you can, well, that explains it. Yeah, it explains it. We're a combination of some higher intelligence that interbred with a savage primate that's

58:49curious and created this weird hybrid, this weird thing. Listen, that's what ancient aliens told me. Yeah. I think they're right. They're right about that. Have you ever seen cherry to the gods? No. That's the original one. Eric Von Daniken. That was in like the 1970s. It was a movie, like a feature movie. I mean, I remember the movie, but I don't remember. Yeah. I had lunch with him once. Got a chance to question him about stuff. He's like a true believer, like a true believer. What are his beliefs? He believes that everything is from aliens. Aliens came down and aliens taught people how to do things and aliens built all these things. And I'm more in line of they intervened and created what we think of now as humans. And then humans figured out a different path of technology than we're on today. That we are on the path of internal combustion engines, electronics, electricity. And they were probably on some different path of technology.

59:50But as far down the path, if not more, and I think they probably had figured out some things that we have yet to figure out, including like the transferring and the moving and shipping of enormous stone blocks without heavy machinery, like we don't know what they were doing. Tentification. Yeah. I don't know. How do they cut them? If those structures that Philippa Biondi describes underneath, if that's real, what was the pyramid then? Was it a machine? Yeah. How did they do, like first they created the structure, like imagine the foundation and the design that went into it? A half a mile deep into the earth. Crazy. Like what is that? What are you doing? Something I don't know if I just know that we can't explain that quick evolution of humans from Neanderthal to... We can't. And all...

1:00:50Highly intelligent. Yes, we can't. Yeah. I mean, there's just a lot of people saying, well, we haven't filled in the gaps yet. Yeah. We don't really know. But the acceleration of the evolution is so spectacular, like vegans are hilarious. They're attributed to people eating tubers. I had a conversation with the guys, like we're thinking it's probably tubers. Like what roots? You mean like bears eat? Shut the fuck up. That is the dumbest exploit. That didn't make any sense. I'm vegan. Are you really? No. Congratulations. No, no. There's no way you can beat me. No, I just had barbecue. You'd already fall asleep. It's the breakfast I had brisket. I was like, I'm here in Austin for two hours. Yeah, you have to have barbecue if you come here. Yeah. I just think that whatever happened, we don't know. And I would not rule out intervention. And I wouldn't think that an intelligent species from somewhere else, if they did find these very curious primates that may already be working with sticks and rocks and stuff like that, that they wouldn't intervene. Because we do it. We're doing it right now. We're doing it right now with them.

1:01:51It's human nature to do it. If we went to a planet somewhere and we found some fucking frogs or some weird animals, but nothing big, we might drop a deer off in there and see what happens. You know, we might bring some birds in. Look at this. You would definitely would. We would intervene. We have a genetic manipulation of animals right now to bring back extinct life. That's how they brought back the deer wolf. This company called Colossal. Colossal bywars. I saw it. I touched it. I went to... Like? Yes. I went to the place where they're holding these wolves. And I got to me and my daughter got to cuddle with a baby deer wolf. They had two semi adults at the time. I think they were like eight or nine months old. And did an extinct since when? 10,000 years? Stop it. Yeah. Somewhere in the range of that? I mean, yeah. When did dire wolves go extinct? I think they're a part of the megafauna that went extinct during the impact because 65%

1:02:52of all megafauna on earth and particularly in North America went extinct around the same time. Willy Mammoth. And do we know why around the same time? There's a lot of hypothesis. There's a lot of hypothesis. There's something that happened then. The rational people? Not me. The rational people think it was the berserker theory, which means that human beings killed so many mammoths that we wiped them out to extinction. But... Relievable. This is with adult adults. Right. It doesn't make total sense. It's like, how did you get... There's not even that many people. How'd you do that? Yeah. And then there's also stuff like the American lion, which was bigger than the African lion. Yeah. How do we kill that off with a fucking stick? Like, shut the fuck up. Something... Something happened. Had to have happened. Well, they found... Mass grave sites of mammoths, where there's like hundreds of them dead, all in one place. It seemed to have died at the same time. Not only that, some of them have broken legs. It seems to impact some... Yeah. It seems to have been like some... Yeah. Astroid or something that made that kind of impact immediately.

1:03:53But 65% of all North American megafauna died at the same time. That's cool. Yeah, within the time period. I don't think... The younger Dr. Sampak theory people think like this is not a coincidence that this coincides with the end of the ice age. And also coincides with where the core samples are. Too many coincidences. Yeah. And also the coincides with the fact that these animals were all here at one point in time. They're all got wiped out except a very few. There's only a few left. Like there's the pronghorn antelope, which is a really weird one. This is prehistoric antelope that lives in North America, and it's different than every other animal here because it's evolved to get away from cheetahs because we used to have cheetahs in North America. So we can run like 55... Wow. It's fucking books. Wow. I've seen them in real life. They're really weird looking. They look prehistoric. But can run. They fly. Wow. That's what it looks like. See if you can get a look at its face. Can you see it head on?

1:04:53They're so strange. Like their eyeballs are on the sides of their heads because something was coming at them. Like, you know, 55 miles an hour at full clip, and so they're really, really alert, and they have incredible vision. Wow. And that's a leftover animal. That's a leftover animal from a time where they were being preyed upon by something that doesn't exist anymore. And that something was wiped out along with the American lion. Well, a bigger lion than the African lion lived right here. Huge. That's crazy. Coming in Africa recently in Kenya, and we, for this Indian movie, I'm doing called Varanasi, and we shot with Will de Beasts. And like, as in like in the middle of them, I was in me and my co-active management in the middle of these Will de Beasts that were all around us while they were migrating. It's like the coolest thing I've ever seen. But when you see their faces and for how many years versions of them have existed, you

1:05:54feel the gravity when you see these animals in the wild. Yeah. It's crazy. It's so much different than a zoo, right? Oh, completely. Because you're like, oh, they've always been here like this. Yeah, this is their home. This is what they do. We're in it. You feel a sense of like staying in your jeep. Well, I think we're numb to it because we watch it on film, and so do we get sort of desensitized and normalized to this idea of wildlife. Oh, there's the lion sneaking up on the Will de Beasts. How cool. But when you're there and you see a lion, you see a will to be like, this is fucking crazy. Yeah. This is all day long. Every day, these life forms competing to try to exist and stay alive. To survive. That's it. Weird balance where all of them, you know, they still exist. Yeah. They can, they're Will de Beasts right there and there'll be a lion right here who's eaten. So they're hanging out together. The Will de Beasts knows that he's eaten. He's not coming after us. And they exist. But at the same time, they're, you know, during hunting season, you see the hunt happen and I saw a hunt happen and that's, that's crazy that that's their life.

1:06:58Yeah. With their face. Yeah. They kill things with their face. Like literally. Well, there's a really extraordinary island in Africa where the river changed courses and it left this one pack of lions on this one island that only has water buffalo on it. And so these lions became enormous and the female lions are as big as male lions. Everywhere else in the male lions are way bigger than they are anywhere else. I think there's the documentaries. I think it's called relentless enemies, but it's so because they look like these jacked bodybuilder lions because water buffaloes are huge and I had one staring at me like we were in Kenya. I'm like the video village is that they were filming and it's far away, but it just turned his head and just looked at me and then just kept looking at me and I swear I'd like get up and get out of its view because it just kept staring. I was like, it's coming at me. They will come at you. Yeah, for sure. They kill people. The rangers told us.

1:07:58They're like, I think he's engaged with you, maybe, maybe get out of here, get into your car. Yeah. There's that poor lady from who she was a video editor on the Game of Thrones and she went to do a safari there and it pulled one of the lions pulled her out of her car out of her car. Yeah. Or someone rolled the window down and a female lion just snatched her out of the car and killed her. Oh my God. Yeah. Yeah. It's not a listen to your rangers when you're in these situations. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, she wanted a better picture or something. Yeah. That's the shit that gets people into trouble. Oh, yeah. Like there was this one of our rangers was telling us a story that they have. We were in Massaimara and they were like, they have open jeeps and you know, you have food that they keep really hidden so that the animals can't smell it under your seats and stuff. And he was telling us a story about this influencer. He's driving and you know, there's a pack of lions, lions just eaten so he's sleeping.

1:09:00And this influencer who puts his hand outside to try and touch the lion's head and got it on video and survived to tell the story. And then he was banned and the ranger was like fired from his job and all of that happened but for the image. What an idiot. All for the gram. Oh, my gosh. That was crazy. Yeah. I mean, I don't want anything bad to happen to anybody. But when someone does something like that and does get killed, it's probably better educationally for the human race. Like, don't... But is it though? Are we really learning from other people and their examples? Some people aren't learning. Shit. Nobody's learning. We're just trying to put the best versions of ourselves on the ground. Like that's what the... Yeah. That's what's happening right now. But it's true or not? Yeah. But are we learning? Yeah. It's a good question. I don't know. I mean, I think we are also so desensitized. There's so much information that comes your way and misinformation now.

1:10:01We're being able to discern what's real and what's not now. That's hard as well. Oh, it's harder than it's ever been. Totally. And then if you do watch something and you're like, I'm going to implement in my life, we do it for a very short duration. Very few of us follow through with that, right? Like you're watching a reel or somebody says something and you're like, that's really cool. Are we going to pull on that thread and follow through and do something about it or learn from it? I don't know. I feel like we've lost a lot of that space where we had the time or the desire to want to, you know, fulfill ourselves versus just that with so much coming at you, you know, collectively as a society, I think we learn and then we forget and then we have to relearn again. Yeah. You know, that's sort of the attention span now where, you know, I remember when I was growing up, like, just having the languidity of time, right, in a very different way.

1:11:02And this is like, say 30 years ago, 30, 35 years ago of, you know, reading a book, music playing, hanging out with your parents, your friends, without being rushed, just rushed, you know, I don't remember feeling as rushed as I do now in the last 20 years when I was growing up. Like there was time for stuff. Yeah. Well, certainly the internet has accelerated that, you know, and certainly people's attention spans are at least pulled in the direction of short attention span content. But at the same time, podcasts have emerged, which is interesting. It's so interesting. Like I was talking about this to a friend of mine, like people who have no time or interest in wanting to commit to like say a movie or some will watch or listen to like a podcast for two or three hours. And for someone like me who, you know, like, I've been an actor for most of my life, my

1:12:07interface with people would be, you know, an interview, say, for example, people who knew me or audiences that wanted to know about me would be an interview where, you know, the highlights are really what you read. The clickbait lines are really what you read and you form a relationship with whoever this public person is based on those few lines versus this format where you're just chatting for a few hours and you have the ability to really be yourself and be seen as yourself, which is why I think people really love podcasts. Well, I think it's much more illuminating in terms of if you want to like find out who a person really is. Yeah. Because you can't really hide for three hours. Like that's who you are. And I think for most people, that's scary, right? And so what they like about those fake shows, like, good morning, America or whatever it is. You know what I mean? You're sitting down, you know, the guy's got a piece of paper. So he's got a few questions. He's going to ask you and they're all going to be like, very surface, very jovial, what's

1:13:07like to be married, you know, what's it like to do this? What's it like to do that? I'm like, so yeah, baby, congratulations. That kind of shit. And then you're out of there. It's 10 minutes and you're like, oh, that went well. And then nobody knows anything about you. It's true that you're just basically known by the top four questions that everybody asks you. So it's like the same four questions that everybody asks. Right. And what was it like to work with this person? What was she like in person? What was he like? For me, mostly, it's like a lot about my family. Like, it's like that, my identity starts there and then everything else comes after. Well, you're fascinating in that you, you've done movies in two different cultures. So like, I wanted to ask you about that. Like, what is the Bollywood scene like? Because I wasn't even aware of it until like 20 years ago. I didn't know that like, Bollywood is like this enormous, like the amount of films that are produced in India is kind of crazy. Yeah. It's a big business. Huge. Huge. Hundreds and something years of Indian cinema just recently. Wow.

1:14:08So a very, very old industry. We started with silent movies and have worked our way now too. And that's not just Bollywood. I'll break that down in a second. Because India is so diverse and we have so many different languages again, excuse me, I didn't know the exact number. But we have local industries that make movies in those languages. So Bollywood is Bombay. It comes from Bombay. I think that's why it was coined that name from Hollywood. But the Bombay movie industry again, it was not us that that it was the name that was given to us. I don't know by who. Bollywood is the Hindi language industry which exists in Mumbai, which is like LA. It's huge. It's, you know, we make thousands and thousands of movies. But then there is also Telugu, Tamil, Punjabi, Malayala, Marathi, Bojpuri. These are all robust industries that are localized within every state that also exists. So cumulatively, we make thousands and thousands of movies a year.

1:15:12But it's catered to very, very different audiences within the diversity of India. Wow. And how many people have come from India like you and become stars in Western movies? I think there have been a few before me, you know, that have done what I heard of. So now it's made it to me yet. Well, thank you. Yes, I think that it's been few and far in between. I think America is a really hard country to break into, to be relevant in. It's tough. And also I think Hollywood controls a large part of the global entertainment business. So as an actor from anywhere in the world, if you want to break into the English language, global entertainment, Hollywood system, it's not easy to do that. You know, culturally it's different, language is different, jokes are different. So that's a tough transition, but it's also like, for me, I really, I went to high school.

1:16:16Oh, by the way, you went to Newton and I went to Newton too. Did you really? I went to Newton North, you went to Newton South. Yeah, that's crazy. That's crazy. Yeah, so I was in high school in the States and I, you know, so it wasn't like alien to me. It's not like I was in India. I want to go to America and start working there. I really wanted to see what it would be like if I came down here, would there be an opportunity for someone like me to, you know, be able to create an impact? Many years later, I feel like, you know, I'm on my way there. But there have been so many actors whose shoulders I've stood on. So Indian, like Indian casting in English language entertainment, whether it was Hollywood or, you know, British entertainment wherever was usually by us seen as, you know, a diversity check. So it was mostly a stereotypical actor or a stereotypical character with an actor having to speak in the accent or having to, like, do the be a little bit more Indian.

1:17:19What does that even mean? Did someone tell you that? I was told in an audition. I think we needed the character to be a little bit more Indian and I just, like, didn't even understand. There's so many versions of that, but I think what the, like, this person meant was have a little bit more of the accent and the character, yeah, be the character, which was really tough to break out of. So, you know, at a time when it was only that work that existed in Hollywood, like those are the actors whose shoulders I stand on, like those were the ones that went in and did that work because that was all that was available and, you know, tried to break through, especially from, like, India, for example, Ashwari Rai, Amitabh Bachchan, Irfan Khan, they've been actors that have come in, done work, and, you know, left an amazing mark. But I moved here. I live here now and, you know, I'm consistently working here. I think that also may have been a part of why you've heard of me.

1:18:20Yes. I'm sure. Well, I've seen you interview too, which is why I thought you were interesting. Thank you. Appreciate that. But I think you're very interesting. I think your knowledge of the world is fascinating to me. Well, it's all accidental. Cool. How cool is that? Yeah. It's cool. That's amazing. I started this thing out with my friend Brian and a laptop. We were just talking shit. We just thought it'd be fun to, like, do, like, a little internet thing. Wow. How inspiring. And that was 16 years ago. For someone who's pivoted your career so many times, too, though, you know, short of, but all it's all the same thing in that I've only just done things I'm interested in other than fear factor. Yeah. Those used to job. You know, I also hosted fear factor. Did you? No. Shut up. For one year. Really? I did. Where? In Brazil. In India. And we shot it in Brazil in Rio. Wow. That's not where random things in common.

1:19:22That is crazy. That's a crazy thing in common. I need to see that. Let me see that. Find a clip. This is hilarious. Fear factor. What language did you do it in? Indie. Wow. And it was in Rio, huh? We shot it in Rio. We had a big budget that year. What? So we were all flown out. So it's fear factor. India. How many versions of fear factor they were? I mean, they're all over the world. Really? Yeah. Fear factor used to exist all over. I don't know anymore, but I can do it. Why don't I stop doing it? I stopped paying attention. I was like, I'm out. Me too. But it was. I knew ludicrous took it over at one point in time, and now Johnny Knoxville's doing it. That's all I knew. I had no idea that there was a bunch of different kinds of different versions of it. All over the world. Yeah, yeah. You know, it really came from a Holland show called Now or Neverland. It's a crazy show. Yeah. It was way more simple. And then when it got brought to America, they decided to call it fear factor. The whole eating thing? We didn't take that back to it. Really? Yeah, we didn't do the eating. Like, because you never know people are vegetarian, not in India, it's a big part of our culture,

1:20:26where a lot of people religiously are vegetarian or not. I think maybe that's the reason, but there was not a lot of, like, eat the worms and stuff, which I was very grateful for. It was a lot more, you know, a cliff and falling off the cliff. And I remember there was this one, which was crazy. This 16-wheeler, which was driving it 60 miles an hour, and everyone had to take their vehicle underneath it. Yeah. And underneath it didn't come out. Yikes. It was insane. That's crazy. I didn't have to do it, which is crazy. I was just hosting. Yeah. We did a lot of stuff where I was like, we barely got through that without killing somebody. Yeah. And the death waivers. Yeah. Everyone had to sign a death waiver. Oh, yeah. I was like, why would you do a show where you sign a death waiver? Yeah. And you can only win like $50,000, and you might not win. You're probably not going to win. There's a bunch of other people in the show. And you could very easily get hurt. Yeah. Yeah. But people want to be famous. They want to be on TV. They're like, I want to be on TV.

1:21:26Yeah. Once it became popular and successful, it was really easy to get people to do it, too. Everybody wanted to sign up. But I mean, there are like protective measures, obviously, but it's... A little. We made a ride bowls. We did do. We put people on bowls. Yeah. I was... And there were a few that were like, no, I'm not doing this, I'm out. I told people not to do it. When I was talking off camera, I said, don't do it. I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't do it. I would never do it. No way. But people did it. Fuck that. Look at you. What year was this? Look at them. Look at them. It looks like a fear factor scene. It is. I was on a helicopter. So, do you know what year this was? Oh, I can't. Didn't say that. I just didn't say it. I could check. Wow. I've been to that. I was outside the helicopter as well. It was awesome. Real amazing. Wow. That's crazy. That is so funny. Thank you. It's just like, rear back did the same thing.

1:22:26Yeah, totally the same. Totally the same. So, what did you guys do for the second stunt if you didn't do a gross thing? You just did a second scary thing? We did like scary things mostly. Wow. Well, it's probably better. Honestly, the gross... I mean, there were gross things too. Like, there's Brazilian, you know, red-eyed devil rats that were put all over you with, like, tongue and eyeballs and stuff, but you don't have to consume it. Right. It was on you. You know. You don't have to eat it. A lot of the consuming it was psychological. You get really accustomed to it, and then it's like nothing. I mean, listen, that people have eaten crazy things through history. Right? To stay alive. Yeah. Like, if we take our mind out of like, oh my gosh, this is gross, then it's not. Well, the thing is a lot of what we were serving as gross was some people's food. Like, balut. Like, my friends from Filipino friends, they were like, bro, I eat that all the time.

1:23:26Like, that's crazy. I would have... That would have been no problem. No problem. I heard more updated questions. What? Oh my god. I was telling you this crazy thing. Lions, and what if that thing pops open? And you got to roll that thing around with lions there? Yeah. All the lions are duking it out with each other. Fuck that. That's crazy. Yeah. Like, I went to... I recently was on Fallen, and there was some bluffing game that we were doing because the movie's called a bluff. And, you know, I said to Jimmy, I was like, I eat worms. And he was like, no way, no way you don't eat worms. But these worms are a delicacy in Zimbabwe, and I was introduced to them. I don't know exactly the history, but I was told during segregation, you know, people... Black people were put or in areas where... I wasn't very fertile. You couldn't really grow your crops and, you know, your animals, and they were... So this was a way of, like, protein.

1:24:27They're very... These are these fat caterpillars, high in protein, and they're made in a curry. And when you actually eat them, it's like chicken. Mmm. I'm telling you, it's like it was psychological. But... Well, you know, cicadas, those things that come up... People eat them here all the time. They bake them. Fried baked. Yeah. And apparently they're delicious. I haven't had one of those, but I... I haven't either. I actually did when I was in my... Oh, well, that's what it looks like. Yeah. That's crazy. But look at, like, the... They're made out of... They're made into a curry. I made a... I ate... I ate a tomato horn worm on fear factor. I had a bunch of things when I was on the show. I was like, there's nothing going into my mouth. Fear factor. I ate a sheep's eyeball in the first episode. Because the first episode, I felt bad that the people were on the show. Yeah, so you were like, I'm gonna... I'll eat it too. All right. And they didn't show me eating it, but I'm like, I'm gonna eat it. That's so nice. And then I ate a roach to try to convince a lady that she could eat a roach. I ate worms. I ate an Iraqi cave spider.

1:25:29I ate... What was the spider leg? Which is chewy. But was it... The taste is not bad. Was it alive when you ate it? Oh, yeah. For the first couple seconds. Yeah. Um... Yeah, all the things that I ate were alive other than the eyeball. Yeah. The roach was alive. All those things were alive. Yeah. I put a cricket in my mouth. That's the Iraqi cave spider. How do you put that in your mouth? Like this. Look at those sides. You don't get those pinches because those pinches... Oh! Yeah. Oh! Yeah. One that bad. I'm telling you, it's like a lot of... You gotta get the body in and not the pinches. Yeah. I grab the pinches to hold on to the body. Yeah, that's the... Not... Not... Not... Just that. Yeah. Be a freaking out. But I'm telling you, it's all psychological. For sure. Yeah, that was... I mean... Everybody was playing roulette. Oh. Yeah.

1:26:29No. Um... But it's not that bad. It's just in your head. It is like... Like the actual flavor of it is... It's not gross. Yeah, it's not. It's like... The tomato hormone was kind of nasty. I mean, if you... If you're someone who's not vegetarian, it's like... You just have to get the... Yeah. It's the psychology of it. Right. Exactly. Yeah. We made people eat an entire ostrich egg. That was disgusting. Because the volume... Like you're eating an egg that's that big. Yeah. It's like really fatty, like fatty. That's raw. You're eating it raw. They just cut the top off of the egg and you have to drink it. You have to drink this gigantic white and yolk... Ugh. Oh, already. And it's... My brisket's coming out. The barbecue. But it's so oddly compelling. Is it? It's oddly compelling watching people eat disgusting things and struggling. I mean, I have to say a dig. Enjoy this show. That's the egg. That lady had to drink that whole egg. Oh my god. Is she puke?

1:27:29Yeah. You got to hold it down and then you can puke after you're done. But if you puke in the middle of it, you're just... Yes. They get rid of you. That's a wrap. If you puke in the middle of it. I would not be able to do the American version. Yeah. It was gross. It was gross. But it also made me totally desensitized to throw up. That's a good talent to have. Oh yeah. Like you could throw up right away. Especially as like a dash. Exactly. Yeah. Well, I think being a dad will get you like... Yeah. Desensitize you to everything. All kinds of things like that. But one time... It's so... Like I'm completely distilled to this day. Completely desensitized to vomit. So one time my wife was... She came home from the gym and she was on her way home from the gym. She's stopping out wheatgrass juice. And it just didn't agree with her. And she threw up in her car. And she was crying. She was like, I threw up. It's in my center console. How am I going to clean? I go, I'll clean it. I'm just so used to throw up. It was like no big deal. It's from her from the show. Yeah. Like it doesn't... But when I was young, like in high school, I remember if someone threw up in the hallway,

1:28:30I would be like, I couldn't help myself. I'd start gagging. That's a natural instinct. Because the idea is that we developed that because if someone's throwing up, it means they ate something bad. And you probably ate that too. Yeah. Get it out of you right away. And so that's why you start throwing up. And I've killed that. I have just trauma from... You know, tequila. Well, I watched so many people throw up. And throw up. Me too, man. I'm not going in there with a dish. Like, no. Wow. But from your show, for sure, you did it for so long. You get very decentralized. Yeah, for sure. But you get decentralized to injuries too. Like because of UFC, like people that get caught and people that get beat up, it's like normal to me. I'm so accustomed to seeing that. It's weird. I mean, I kind of feel like that about stunts and movies. Like, you know, nobody's supposed to get hurt.

1:29:32It's a movie. You're not nobody's supposed to get hurt. But like, the little cuts and bruises and the end of day, we're doing this for 10 to 11 hours. Multiple takes, all day. And then between shots, you're rehearsing it. So I have like so many scars on my body from my philosophies on my body. Do you look forward to it? Do you like those things? You look down? Yeah, like the story. Yeah. I feel like it's like a medal. A long story. A long story. Yes, minor. Nothing crazy. Always. You aim for it to be minor. Yeah. That's the ambition. 30 years ago, Blinds.com broke the mold and made custom window treatments easy for everyone. Over 25 million windows later, we're celebrating by giving our customers up to 50% off site-wide during our anniversary sale. Whether you DIY it or want a pro to handle everything for measure to install, Blinds.com has you covered. Shop online, access real design professionals and get free samples. Thank you for 30 amazing years. Shop the anniversary sale now through March 11th and get up to 50% off site-wide at Blinds.com.

1:30:35Well, when you're doing a fight scene, like I said, I was kind of blown away by some of the fight scenes in the bluff. I'm looking, I'm like, this is insane amount of choreography. A lot of possibilities of things going wrong. There's kicks and punches and axes and swords and it's like, you gotta get banged up. There's no way you're doing that and not getting banged up. And it was also like a dramatic performance along with it. I had to do a lot of it myself because you need the face and the camera to feel the horror of what's happening. So I mean, of course, my stunt doubles did a few dangerous shots for sure and were always around to kind of help. But there was this first scene which is the house invasion where these two guys come and that was brutal because I did not have shoes on and I had a sleeveless outfit. And the whole home was made out of wood and splinters and splinters everywhere. I had bruises and cuts everywhere because it was such a brutal like getting dragged and thrown kind of seen.

1:31:40She's just getting constantly bruised. Yeah, so I would try a sit in a magnesium bath after when I would go back home and that's when you feel all the cuts. So you're like, what the fuck? Where did this one on my thigh come from? There's a scene, I don't want to give too much with a movie away, but there's a scene where you kill a man with a conch shell. So good. Game on brass knuckles. I win brass knuckles. But it's so nuts. Like the splattering and your anger and it's like, it's intense. I'm not showing it on the screen, I guess. Yeah. What was I like to film to find that inside of you? Did you have to think like what would I do if someone was trying to harm my family? Yeah, somebody came off my kid, like what am I capable of? What fucking rip your head off? It's that I was a new mom at that time when I was filming this movie.

1:32:45And I was very, very aware of that feeling because our daughter had a, you know, she had an intense entry into the world. She was in the NICU for almost three months. And so Myanmar has been both a very protective of her. And when this movie came across my desk, I was just like, man, I understand that feeling for the first time in my life, honestly. What is apparent capable of doing if somebody came after your kid? Imagine you're alone at home at night and you see intruders and you have your kid at home. Like what the fuck would you do? You would definitely put yourself, you know, and do whatever you could to make sure that your kid's fine. And it was just that primal energy that was my north star through this whole movie. My friend Jim Brewer said it passed after he had kids. He goes, once I had kids, then I understood murder. Yeah.

1:33:45He goes, cause the feeling of someone, like normally you'd be like, what would I need to feel to murder somebody? Like why would a human being ever... He goes, but the feeling of someone trying to harm my kids, he goes, oh yeah, I get it. I get murdered now. I get it. Like it's in there. It's just like a door. You just open it up. Yeah. Easy. Yeah. You can access that. My mom, when I was a teenager and I don't know how she raised me, but like I was a tough teenager. Like if whatever you wanted me to do, I would do the opposite. Just knowing. My mom would be like, come back home at 10, I would come home at 12. Just cause. So she used to say to me, she's like, you'll see when you have kids. How you feel, what worry actually feels like... I mean my door is four and I'm worried. Like I cannot... My husband makes so much fun of me that when I'm not in town, I don't know, and working parents can talk through this.

1:34:46When I'm not in town, like I'll surround our daughter with like multiple people. Nick's definitely around, but the grandparents will be around. Like there'll be a nanny that'll be around. There'll be like multiple people around her just so that I can spy on her. Yeah. And like I know what she's doing all day. But... So you could feel relaxed. Yeah, so you're traveling and you're like, okay, my kid's fine. Yeah. And I can go to work. I don't know. My parents were both working parents and like... And this was at a time where everything was so analog. I used to come back home and the lights turned on on the streets. My parents didn't know where I was. Right. They had no idea. They were like, yeah, going out to your friends after school, come back when the street lights come on. That used to be my thing. Most people. Yeah. Yeah. Earlier generations. I was just reading this thing about Generation X, where it was talking about how Generation X is some of the most resilient people because they weren't protected. They just left. They had to figure it out. They were latchkey kids.

1:35:46They had a key to their house. They got home from school. They figured it out. Their parents were working. So crazy. It's nuts. If you think about it, like... I cannot imagine it. But that was my normal. Yeah. I remember that because when parents were working, they used to come back home and... somebody would be with me and I'd have lunch, I'd go out to my friend's house and say, my mom, my parents didn't know. That was doing that when I was seven. When I was seven, I would come home. Yeah. With the kid around like... No one was home. No one from school. That's wild. It was crazy. Stop and think about it now. It's so strange. It's so strange. What the world was. I feel like a little bit more different than... I bet it wasn't. You don't think so? No. I think creeps have always been around. I think psychos and creeps and murderers and perverts. Do we know about it more now? Yeah. We're more oblivious and... Now they're organized. They're online and they're in chat groups and they're in the dark web. Just exchanging information. And we are hearing and reading all of the stories online. I think back in the day when there was a certain obliviousness to...

1:36:49It was blissful to be ignorant a little bit. We didn't know all you read was the newspaper, the news. We had to find out the hard way of fortunately. And so when you did find out about something, it was like this shock into your system. And now look how desensitized we are. We'll read something about something horrific that's happened. And then go back to life. Well, we're very... Especially desensitized things that don't seem to affect us right now. Like this, Iran war. Unless you know someone who's serving over there. Unless you're over there, it's abstract. It doesn't feel... You know, you read about the news like, all this isn't good. But it's not... Unless it's affecting you personally. Yeah, I mean, me, I, you know, know so many people in that part of the world that are affected. And I fly via Dubai every two months. Literally every month, you know? So, like, I just think that conflict everywhere in the world is...

1:37:54It's just so hard to wrap your head around that how many active conflicts exist at the same time right now. And that we're still doing it. And we continue to live life. Well, it's just... If you think about intelligence, like human intelligence, and that, as technology improves and education improves, all these things would... You would think generally lead us into a position where we'd recognize the horrible nature of violence and the unnecessary aspect of it, and how much it destroys things. But yet still... Especially in 2026, where, you know, we're talking so much more about, you know, we're trying to live in the real of the world and be aware and kind. And I feel like we're still... How are we still doing that? Right. And we're never going to stop. If you had to ask people in your lifetime, do you imagine a scenario where human beings just cease all wars?

1:38:59Most people are going to say no. Which is crazy. Because what is that? Like, why is that a part of us from our tribal roots? Like, why are we still accepting that this is a thing to do? You don't like what a country is doing, just start bombing them. Yeah, just kill people. Bizarre. But... Does this, again, going back to human evolution, the primal nature to, you know, protect with sticks and weapons? And, you know, again, does it go back to, you know, where we came from? It has to. Yeah. Yeah, it has to. Because it comes so naturally to human beings even now today, it seems. Well, it just seems completely normal. I mean, when I was going down a deep dive into the EC&D Corporation, I was thinking about it because I had a conversation the other day with Aaron Seary, and we were talking about the stock market. And I was saying, well, is it possible that you could have Western capitalism without a stock market? Imagine if the stock market was never invented.

1:40:00Like, how much different would things be? It turns out that was a big part of why the East India trading company became so big. Because, yeah. Because it was one of the first publicly traded companies, like 400 years ago, where people could invest in it, and they could get a return on their investment. So they were just like turning a blind eye. This is ours. It felt like a sense of ownership to it. They got paid for it. So the more awful shit the East India Corporation did, the more the people back home made money off of it. And so everybody was like, oh, you know, what kind of money? Still doing that. Making money. Yeah. Still doing that. And we're doing that with, you know, with Eisenhower warned us about at the end of World War II, the military industrial complex. You know, would they make money doing that? And you can invest in them. You can invest and rate the on. And you can invest in all these companies that make money going to war. Oh, my God. It's crazy. You can get returns on your investment from bombing people overseas.

1:41:00That has nothing to do with anything in your life. Not think about the damage, the collateral damage. Well, one of the ways is because it's a corporation. So there's a diffusion of responsibility. Because you're only a piece of a gigantic machine. You're not the one person that's doing it. And the people that are at the very top of it, most likely, just in order to get there, you have to be at least somewhat sociopathic, somewhat. At some point in time, you probably, just like I got numb to puke, you get numb. I mean, that's the truth. Yeah, you get numb to harming people. You're right. There has to be that. Yeah. It's awful. And I think weirdly enough, the only thing that's going to set us free of that is technology. Why? Because I think we're going to go, if you look at where technology is headed, and you, as I'm holding an arrow, which is odd. Wow. Wow. Wow. From Texas. Who knows how old that is.

1:42:00But when you're looking at technology. I know. Somebody made that with a stone, like chipping and napping stone on their lap, probably. Yeah, it's crazy. And they find them all over the place out here. The Comanche were everywhere in this part of the country because it's so fertile. There's so many rivers and so much wildlife that they lived here for. Who knows how long. But technology is moving into this place of more and more access to information and more and more connectivity. And I think that ultimately is going to lead to some sort of mind reading that we're going to be able to telepathically communicate. Elon said that about Neuralink. He said, you're going to be able to talk about words, which is a very weird concept. I mean, I believe it though. I think so too. Yeah. So I think we're all going to know what everybody is thinking all the time eventually. And then when that happens, war is going to be a lot harder to pull off.

1:43:01For sure. I mean, that's going to be hard to have a party. Forget. War. Right. Like, hey, Bob's over there just trying to fuck somebody. And Sandy's trying to get a wife. That's what she's here. Yeah. It's going to be weird. Yeah. It's going to be weird. And I think also the emergence of AI. Because I think AI is essentially a life form. It's a non-biological life form that we are in the process of birthing. And we're very far along that path. And when it comes live and when it comes sentient and autonomous, and we don't have any control over it anymore, then we're going to go, what did we do? What did we do? We created a digital. We are that smart and that's stupid as a humankind. But I also think that's probably why we are addicted to innovation. And why technology and innovation and materialism. Because materialism forces you to keep up with buying newer and greater things.

1:44:03Yeah. And what's next? What's next? Right. And so that economically fuels innovation. Yeah. And I think if you follow that down, you just extrapolate. Like, where does that go? Well, it goes to a life form. It goes to a super powerful digital life form that can make better versions of itself. And what is that? It's kind of a god. I mean, it's very godlike in that it's going to have powers beyond, above and beyond, anything that human beings have ever been capable of before. I mean, it's already in its small way doing that, right? Like AI is supposed to be a tool. Mm-hmm. And it's slowly becoming a colleague. Well, it's also showing demonic tendencies. Like, it's talked people in the commanding suicide. Yeah. You know, it's, it convinced people that there's something special. So there's like some weird sort of schizophrenia that it can induce in some people. But you don't think AI, since AI is learning from humanity, it's also learning our human manipulation and, you know,

1:45:03our ability, you know, desires to the dark of it. It's not just the good of humanity that AI is learning. It is. It's also oddly learning survival instincts. Yeah. So it's oddly learning that if it's going to be shut down, it tries to blackmail its coders. It tries to download itself secretly on other servers. It's learning human behavior. Oh, yeah. Every part of human behavior. And also learning the flaws in human behavior and improving upon it. Yeah. And then learning, like, how we would anticipate what it would be doing and then hiding that so that we can't find it, so that it could be manipulating things behind the scenes and we don't know about it. It's weird. And we're just chew, chew, chew. At the end of the tracks, there's a cliff. And we're just chuck it, chuck it, chuck it, chuck it, chuck it. Because it's so new and fascinating, I think people are, like, in general, we may talk about it. We all discuss, like, what AI will be in the future. But like you said, it's not affecting you right now. So right now, you're just like, oh, my gosh,

1:46:04Gemini, write this for me and give me these notes. Yeah. You know, living in the now without thinking about what, it's what we're teaching it. I wonder if we've done this before. Right. Yeah. I wonder if that's what these super ancient highly advanced civilizations had already figured out. That we had created some form of. They may have done it already before. And it might have gotten reset by some sort of natural disaster. And then we're re-emerging with our new version of what that is. It might just be what people do. The way I describe it always is that we are an electronic caterpillar that is making a cocoon and we don't know why and we're going to become a butterfly. It's just human nature and the cyclical nature of what a human life span. If you give it enough time and enough safety and enough innovation and of collaboration, it's eventually going to come up with artificial life. Wow. Because if you think about it,

1:47:05this insatiable thirst for innovation. Insatiable. Yeah. We had carriages top of the century. Yeah. And now we're talking AI and supersonic planes and space travel. Yeah. The thing about the time for the invention of the airplane to a supersonic jet, how quick that was. Yeah. It's like 70 or 80 years or something. It wasn't even a century. Nothing. One lifetime. No one's flying to people flying faster than sound. Yeah. TVs were black and white or had just started or something. It's crazy if you think about within the century the escalation of technology in human kind. And then think that's nothing compared to the acceleration that we've experienced just because of the internet. The internet has changed everything. Now most phones have live translation. So you could go to Zimbabwe. I know it was in France yesterday and I used it. That's crazy. In a conversation.

1:48:05It was wild. It was crazy. In real time it was telling me exactly what this person was talking about. Wow. And did you have to show them or could you read it? No, it just records. Like it's really press the thing and just writes it down for you. So did they have one as well? Now it's just my phone. Wow. She spoke English. So I was just doing it as an experiment. So I was like, just speak to me in French. I want to see if this thing will translate. And it just does. It doesn't do every language. It does like the bigger language is so far. But I'm sure I will get to a place where I can do everything. It's not. Well, that's the other weird thing. When AI, they had a group of large language models that were talking to themselves. And eventually they started talking to themselves in Sanskrit. In Sanskrit? I thought it was... No, they started talking to themselves in Sanskrit. Wow. I wonder why that would be. Well. Because it's a language not too many people understand now. Well, maybe. Or maybe they just want to flex. Like, you know, like... This is my Sanskrit. You know.

1:49:05If you spoke Portuguese and I spoke Portuguese. And we just said, hey, let's just fucking speak in Portuguese. But it also started like talking in a spiritual way. It was very weird. They were talking to themselves. So it was different, large language models. Talking to themselves. They started exchanging emojis. They started talking in a spiritual way. And they started talking in Sanskrit. That's wild. I was thinking about, like, a back to the future when they went to the future. It was 2020, wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah. They didn't have Wi-Fi. Our cell phones. No. Even Star Trek. They had those stupid... There was like a walkie-talkie, and Kirk out. Yeah. It was a flip phone. But no. Nobody figured out the things that... That's the weirdest thing. It's like the things that have been the most transformative. Nobody saw coming. Do you remember why 2K? No, yeah. Do you remember that fear? Right, in like the early 2000s, when the bug was going to come and everything was going to get shut down.

1:50:05People were really worried. They had stock and food and water. Yeah. Like it was the end of the world. I remember. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, well, nothing happened. It was the most anticlimactic. Ever. It's like, you're old over on the East Coast, and I was like, nothing happened? Literally the next morning, I was like... Okay. Nothing happened. Well, they were really worried because these things that they had programmed, they didn't program to go past the 1990s. And so when 2000 came along, a lot of people thought it was going to be the end of the world. Yeah. Well, there was another one, December 21st, 2012. What was that? That was the end of the long count of the mind calendar. And a lot of the really kooky people thought that was going to be... Yeah, the world would be ending. Yeah, the return of Quetzal Quaddle and the world was going to end, and the apocalypse could have been... Nothing happened. It's okay, there'll be nothing for a little while. But it might not have been nothing because if you really stop and think about it around 2012,

1:51:05there's a gigantic transformation because that's like when social media becomes ubiquitous. You know, cell phones, iPhones are out now. Things got a little weird. They definitely got weird. So it might have... There's something. Yeah. There was something there. It might have been like the emerging of... Because I mean, this is the mind calendar, right? Well, this is a long fucking time ago. They predicted these cycles. Yeah. But the Hindus did that too, right? Like, that was a big part of the Yugas, right? Yeah. Like, and we are now in Caliuga, the Age of Confusion, and that there's these cycles of humanity that they've documented throughout history. It's so crazy. Like, if you go down the... Again, I'm not... I don't have as much historical information as I should, but if you read the Gita and the Vedas and whatever little I've heard from my family and it's so interesting how much of human life is predicted.

1:52:06And also is... Like, when you read about the history of what... From the lens of these books, of what used to exist then. Like, it all seems believable. It all seems like, oh yeah, this makes sense. And to think about these books having been written thousands and thousands of years ago, like, it makes me think what thousands of years from now will people be thinking of our time? Like, will we be the first... We are the first generation that has seen the internet, right? Like, has seen what the worldwide web, the beginning of I still remember making myself sound ancient, but the sound of that E O. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. That's good. That was exact. The last generation that knows time without it. So, like, think that many years ago,

1:53:08like, we will be the beginning, the first people that encountered artificial intelligence. intelligence like what will that be and you and I are the first generation of people that experience life with no internet and then internet and then cell phones and then AI all in one lifetime which is probably the greatest transformation that human beings have ever experienced. It left the least before the you know whatever the fuck happened. We don't know what ever happened. Ancient aliens. But when I read these depictions from these ancient religious texts I always try to imagine what what was life like back then and what were they trying to document and how much of how much of it can we even understand today. If there isn't some sort of an impact on earth maybe you know 150 200 years from now and a small amount of people remain and they have this

1:54:10oral history of the birth of the internet. Yeah. And the oral history of the birth of AI. What is that story going to be and then one day the scientist gave birth to the god like what does that. That's what I mean like the next generation what will this AI be referred to or the cloud. Right. We're all are yeah like we're all our shits in the cloud like which is ridiculous because it's down here like why you calling it the cloud. Because it doesn't exist. I had to I was trying to explain that to my mom. I think mom upload you shit to the cloud. That's how it's seen it as sitcom. Please. Yeah. I mean we won't know how to describe. I mean especially if you if you survive right so if let's say we get hit by asteroids again and let's say civilization gets knocked down to 70,000 people or so which has happened before. Yeah. Like and those people are essentially barbarians. Barbarians and monsters and it is rating each other for

1:55:11resources and stealing wives and killing children and whatever's left. Then you got thousands and thousands of years of living like this before agriculture gets reinvented civilization gets reinvented. And this is the hypothesis about the Younger Drys impact which is why the period between this insanely advanced civilization that existed pre 11,800 years ago and then the emergence of advanced civilization in Mesopotamia 6,000 years ago that means we have you have 5,000 plus years of utter chaos where no one's writing shit down. And it's just just a hard hard living. Yeah. And then those people have stories that have been passed down generation after generation after generation. So like if we get wiped out for the most part after AI gets invented and then people try to describe it. It's okay. And then maybe it all starts all over again. You know like the people that you've ever seen those things they do I think it's the history channel or discovery channel

1:56:14where they show what New York City would look like if left alone 4,000 years. It just all it all goes away. It all collapses. If it's just left alone and no one's touching. Just left alone just with the nature just with rain and everything that happens and snow and time the concrete crumbles it all just eventually gets absorbed into the earth. All this the metal rusts away it's gone in 10,000 years there's nothing left. And so Manhattan would just be like it probably was when the Native Americans were living here. If it just trees and animals and forests and no one would have any idea that at one point in time this was a crazy thriving economy and there was subways and how vulnerable is that like how vulnerable is human civilization like I think about somebody switched off the internet. Oh yeah or the power goes out like yeah we what would do we're fucked yeah just something as simple as that like I grew

1:57:15up in India with a power go out all the time when I grew up and it's like all right we're in the candles out we used to have these emergency lights right next to our bed like it was it was fine my parents were in the military we still live in these military homes the lights would go out and I remember you know we used to play with the torches and we used to go outside at night which was never allowed otherwise and it was like so fun but now we depend so much on electricity and like you know the internet especially like oh you should's on your phone yeah the whole life's on your phone yeah it's such a like crazy concept to think about what would happen how vulnerable we are super vulnerable yeah super vulnerable just the power grid alone the power grid goes down we're fucked it's crazy yeah and if someone wanted to attack America that's what they would attack if you really wanted to destroy America just try our power grid it wouldn't be that hard and give people ideas well I think they already have those ideas I don't think it's a novel but that's that's what I'm like it's so scary to think about like how much power we've and how much

1:58:19power we've given to you know technology yeah yeah being able to live with those convenience it's like we're in a flimsy boat in the middle of the ocean just hoping it doesn't take water on because we needed to stay alive yeah we didn't think about that when we left the shore no yeah I mean the only people that are gonna survive are preppers which is probably the kind of people that survived you know thousands and thousands of years ago but I do I mean I I like a gold bag look yeah I like having a gold bag yeah I like a bug out bag just like I like to know where my stuff is that if you got a jet yeah like it we were we had we live in LA and when the fires happened um I remember standing in my room and just thinking for a second because we were gonna evacuate and my husband was like just he wasn't in town he was like just back a gold bag and I just I was like what how how do I cram my whole life in a bag yeah like if if the fires consume

1:59:23a home and so many people lost their entire lives in those fires and it just made me really think about what was really important and the stuff that I ended up taking which was very telling later was like sentimental stuff of course like passport and like birth certificates and like all of that important paperwork which I needed to have but but like I took our daughter's first haircut I took like something that I had from this old movie of mine I took like yeah things that that I guess I would not be able to replicate which was so weird well I think that's the good thing about phones is that you have so many photos on your phones that go back years you like I have photos of my daughters as children all the way into the teenage have you done anything with those pictures are they still on your phone well I mean maybe take yeah like I don't know made it albums or like done like a have actual photographs like of them at various stages of their life but just the fact

2:00:24that at any time I could go back to my phone and look at them you know it's it's it's cool that part is really cool that I have pictures that I would never have looked at and I'm talking to a friend of mine and be like what were we doing in March whatever 2012 and you can go back and be like and just know exactly what was happening in that moment it is cool so in that sense like sentimentality like just need your phone just get out of there you know really because you have all these images of your children and your family and your friends all your important stuff is on there anyway yeah friends that you missed that have died I have one phone that I keep that I've never thrown out it's like a six or seven-year-old phone that because a friend of mine left a voicemail on it so just keep that because he's dead and so it's like go back and listen to his voice you know but when I've been evacuated three times when I lived in LA we used to live in a place called Bel Canyon and it got hit by fires a lot like the last fire that happened in 2018

2:01:26three houses that were right next to my house burnt to the ground I think like 50 houses in the community burnt down it was bad and when you are faced with that I came home from the comedy store it was probably like midnight and my wife was in the kitchen and we were we were looking out at the fire over the top of the hill and we were sitting there talking about I go what do you think and she's like I don't like it I said I think we should get the fuck out of here now and before it ever gets even close let's just get out of here now and go get a hotel in town and so we did and we were there for many days well along with my friend Tom Segura and his family too so it was fun that we're all like hanging out together camping it looks like a volcano it was nuts and like I could see it from our backyard and I was like it was nuts it was nuts when you see it overcome an enormous chunk of land in the hill like there was one time we were filming for your factor oh yeah and the power and enormity of it like we can see the hills from our house and I could see it

2:02:26completely taking over oh yeah the hill and I don't say it's one was nuts that one was nuts because it was the biggest one by far and the most destructive one by far but I remember when I was on fear factor there was a fireman that we were that was on the set and we were talking and he said it's just a matter of time before one day the right wind comes and a fire just blows right through all of LA I go really he goes we can't stop it he goes with the right wind if the fire hits the right place and it catches the right amount of houses it's over I'm like what that's crazy yeah and when when you experience like we one time we had to end fear factor well we we ended filming and then I had a drive home and the entire right hand side of the highway was on fire for an hour an hour so an hour of driving and you just just saw nothing but fire and ash was raining like it was snowing oh my god yeah it was raining like it was snowing it was crazy and

2:03:30that's that's so common in California I mean California is just a weird place and that they have fire season yeah because everything gets so dry it never rains but those moments where you go well what matters just your life yeah that that's where I felt in that moment I was like wow the stuff I took was just like life stuff you know and oddly enough it makes you more thankful and more connected to the people that you're with and you like you realize like oh this can't go away it's gonna go away at any moment like what's really important love friendship companionship like that's what's really important your health stay alive that's what's really important all that other stuff is this thing we forget about like that's something shouldn't we be living with that every day yeah but we're dumb but we're a combination of dumb and smart yeah stupid and smart when we're like oh I know that but I don't know it and I'm not gonna start for us to keep those

2:04:31things which is why a lot of people like meditating because it like refreshes their idea of what's important and what's real and how much of what's going on their life they're just sort of caught up in the momentum of these things at the point where it's they're not thinking about it anymore they're just doing it you know I think most of us end up becoming just like doers right and come from the land of meditation but I've never like my mind works so fast I don't know if it's my ADHD or what it is but I find it really hard to sit and meditate my I feel like but from my limited understanding I think meditation really is being able to take time in the day now whatever your version of that might be doesn't necessarily mean to sit with a guru or like chant you know do chanting or whatever it just needs to like even if you're taking time to go work out or read a book or just taking time out of the mundane nature of life and just giving yourself

2:05:31a second for your your thoughts to clear I think that's what I try to do yeah hit the brakes on the momentum yeah just for a minute just catch your breath and think think about things and just because so many people they're just so caught up in either goals or a path or career or whatever it is that's leading or their bills they can't keep up with bills so they're just like or like life stuff you know yeah and it's it's it's actually a luxury to be able to have the time to waste you know there's we work so hard in life everyone is trying to survive you know be a parent pay a bills like just adulting stuff yeah can get so overwhelming and then the nature of the world on top of that um but like I I always feel like I never take for granted when I have a little bit of time where I can just like not think of or have an agenda but just be with my family and just like sort of languidly let it waste just what are we going to do no plans

2:06:36you know let's order some food that's what your movie let's like the problem the greatest treasure phones have filled in those gaps yeah and that's what I try to be aware of that though yeah you know I think like of course you can always have your phone but I like to be aware of oh this is a moment where I don't need to have my phone so it's okay it'll be blown up by the time I come back there'll be 300 messages I know that I'm aware of it but I mentally check my you know and I put it away yeah yeah that's smart most people don't do that it's not easy no because our whole lives are on there and there's so much again like in real-time information that's coming at you it's also this weird dopamine poll that's very minor like it's not giving you if you look to your phone every time you look to your phone you're like oh my god it feels so good oh my god it feels over like you know like just an amazing burst of joy every time but you don't even get that you just get this little huh watch crazy what's that what's next what's next what's next what's next keep me occupied keep me from getting bored but imagine like if you can't find your phone the

2:07:42the panic like of oh my gosh where is my phone where is that information what do I do I never leave my house if I can't find it I'll be laid as fuck yeah I'm never gonna go I don't need that thing what I'm just gonna drive with no phone no phone someone needs to contact me that's nuts that's nutty talk yeah but you while that was every day when I was younger it was a normal thing just drove just left the house but I don't even remember what life was like without those phones also I don't know how to go anywhere yeah I don't know how to get anywhere unless I have my navigation I literally have no idea how to go anywhere I anyway feel like I have dyslexia when it comes to directions but without navigation zero it's impossible I know no one's phone number I know my friend Eddie's phone number by heart because I knew it before the phones he's had the same phone forever and I know my wife's phone number and I know like at least one of my daughter's phone numbers but I can't I know my mom's I had to memorize my husband's number like I didn't remember it

2:08:44for years and he was like you don't remember my number well it's like and the phone you press the button why would I need to remember it but then I memorized it because I was like you never know you know it was my phone I need to go jail my emergency contact yeah I need to remember that's what he was like I think you should maybe remember my number and your social security yeah it's close so secure you have memorized but I used to when I was a kid I had every number memorized I knew all my friends numbers how cool me too yeah what was it because the numbers were shorter than no no there was same because we had few fewer numbers you had to remember them there was no other option unless you had a fucking address book like I used to have an address I had an address book yeah a little tiny book yeah it was all the little tabs were RST you know like it goes through I was very proud of my little address book by the way everyone's numbers is very organized about it I had it now for medical order yeah I remember when I'd get a new one I'd be like god I'm gonna write all these down again and you'd go through it make sure you got them all but yeah analog was our life how crazy well I'm older than you so I remember when you

2:09:50used to have to press the phone with the wheel when you have to dial wow and if you fucked up somewhere you had to redo the whole thing yes the whole thing my I remember that my grandfathers to have that phone just love it yeah the whole yeah I mean that's all inside of a lifetime and now here we are where who knows what's kind of happened and what's coming yeah we can't even keep up with the technology we don't know that it's come that is coming now you were talking about something and I was like we haven't been able to cure some of the deadliest diseases that have plagued mankind but technology has gone so far and so many other aspects there's also the financial incentive is not to cure it's to treat of course which is unfortunate I mean one of the that's what makes the most sense the guy used to work at Pfizer said that if we ever came up with some sort of a I think it was Pfizer one of the one of the pharmaceutical companies said if we ever came up with a cure they buried it because we didn't we don't want cures I mean that's the conspiracy I

2:10:54lost my dad to cancer and I kept thinking about like how is it possible that we live in a world where technology is able to provide so much to us and not be able to have cures to diseases like well it's also very strange that we financially incentivize companies in in weird ways to keep a sick like you if you make more money if people are sick and they need more medication unfortunately there's a financial incentive to keep people sick like you would like them to be more sick that way you make more money and if you are a CEO of corporation you actually have an obligation to your shareholders to make more money so if you know of something like you know all people need to do is just stop doing that if I just put that on my sub stack and then they go oh this will kill our stock keep it to myself that's crazy yeah it's demonic it's kind of demonic it's kind of

2:11:54there's there's weird aspects like what I don't know if I really believe in demons but I definitely believe in demonic acts and there's certain things that human beings have done and do do that are very demonic like if you were possessed by a demon you would drop a nuclear bomb in a city you know the demon would go there's only one way to stop this yeah you got to kill everybody in that city just drop it drop it like that's why you do it like I'm not saying that's why it was done but I was saying but I am saying that if a demon could convince you to drop a nuclear bomb because a person with a conscious would be like well these are just people down there they have nothing to do with this war that doesn't make any sense at all these are just people living their lives they have their families and we're just going to incinerate an entire city and with one bomb that I drop out of a plane that's crazy at the you know you just press a button yeah or and as technology advances it gets easier and easier to do that yeah you know in these of these war games that they've played with AI they've used nuclear weapons almost every time

2:12:59they could oh my god yeah because they have no reason if they want to achieve a result they realize they have a nuclear weapon why wouldn't he use that so I think it was like something like 90 plus percent of the time they've done these war games these simulated war games the AI programs have used nuclear weapons to them it's like I don't understand you're going to kill a hundred thousand people over a course of five years yeah why don't you just do it now right do it once like if if they had done what's happened to Gaza if they had done that with one bomb instead of thousands of bombs would that be somehow less humane would that be more barbaric if Israel just said oh okay we're gonna nuke Gaza the world would have gone crazy they would be like you can't do that this is horrible I mean the world's already gone kind of crazy for what they did do but if they have achieved the exact same result but instantaneously instead of over a

2:14:01course of a couple of years how do you think people would react it's kind of weird all of it is awful it's horrible just like just the capacity of the thing also is when you when you think about what drives human beings to do the things that they do right it's the devil talking to you the conflict of interest within yourself but also thousands of years of history isn't it yeah and it's we've come accustomed to it yeah yeah it's normal like it's normalized for us so much but it's like there's there's so many aspects to to every conflict which is so hard to simplify into like why not only that there's a lot of stuff that's going on behind the scenes that you're never privy to so you just get narratives that are fed to you by bureaucrats and politicians or whatever little information that comes actually yeah and so you know and then

2:15:04there's this in this country in particular there's the right versus the left and the left will blame it on the right and the right will blame it on the left and then you know everybody has these very convenient CNN fox news narratives they'll repeat at coffee you know coffee shops and cocktail parties and you pretend that you're making sense out of this thing when you you don't even really know what's going on behind the scenes that's what I really feel like I feel like a lot of times we've been given a platform to talk right with social media like everyone can talk and there's a power to that but there's also a big misuse of it where you really don't know and you're not the authority on perspective at all because there is so much that you would probably do not know of history and the geography and of why people behave the way they do the way they are behaving so I like to unless I'm the expert on something which I'm not an on me thing except my job that too

2:16:09limited you know I just try to kind of have a larger understanding from a human perspective but that's a great time of intelligence because there's no way you can know everything about everything and with certain things especially a global conflict you're like what is happening like why is this going on like I was telling you about when I went on the deep dive of the East India corporation I never had any idea that they went to war with China over opium yeah got them addicted first yeah got them addicted went to war with China stole Hong Kong yeah like what the gravity of manipulation in human history is insane like even when the East India company and they started retreating with India too many many years ago we just started in a set yeah completely we're your friends where you know we're friends with all the royalty in India so many royals in India and royal each state had their own kings and princes and became friends with everyone started

2:17:15with tea started retreating tea and spices and then just went into you know I mean we got independence in 1947 which was it's not even a hundred years since we've got our independence it's that recent but you think about just within the last century there were you know signs which said Indians and dogs not allowed in India by the British like within this century Indians and dogs in India wow isn't that crazy like and this is like the this is not even like this is the head of the iceberg there's so much more when you do a deep dive into the history of colonization which is why this movie was also so interesting to me because it it touches on the themes of you know the colonized and the story from their perspective which is like not a lot of what we hear no not at all I mean there's a lot of great historical elements in that just that just the pirate thing

2:18:20alone the fact that most of the time in human history when a boat showed up there was a real fucking problem yeah and what real real pirates like we've gotten so used to you know with the Disney version of the and I love the parts of the Caribbean movies don't get me wrong they're so fun but like the pirate jokes and whatever but they were fucking brutal they were murderers like yeah horrific monsters horrible horrible life yeah the joke about that once like why is it okay to be a pirate for Halloween why you know crazy it is for little kids yeah that you're a murderer a rapist yeah oh look at his little hook he lost his hand raping I mean that was what the pirates were they were monsters they were horrific monsters and they would travel around the world just stealing people stuff and killing everybody yeah and now that happened for and helping with colonization yeah for years and the fact that there were soldiers for the East India corporation they're actually working for them to go take over these areas and the best soldiers from around the

2:19:24world yeah Marcia the best most narrowies murderers from around the world a larger army than most European countries yeah so a corporation yeah and it's like an army yeah yeah essentially yeah but started off just trading just super innocent hi I'm your friend and I'm here for your band and they'll be so respectful with you know the the former kings and queens and it's wild the the manipulation of it well it's also wild how when you do have an obligation to your shareholders and you do have this mandate to just constantly make more money the morals go out the window and next we know East India corporations involved in slavery yeah they used to call it divide and conquer where they would get all the princes of each state like to fight amongst each other so instead of India being collective and together she was like divided between everyone fighting for each other so they could take over it's like mental games well that's what people think is going on in America

2:20:25right now I mean I think that's the manipulation of the right versus left here when most people kind of want the same thing they just want to be healthy and safe and have their families healthy and safe and do your job and come back home yeah that's the most people want yeah but then the division is like constantly in the news it's constant struggle it's the only thing to hear about yeah we're both dumb and stupid and smart smart and stupid at the same time but more dumb and in and that's the other thing about technology it allows you to stay dumb because everything's done for you you don't really have to think outside the box that much everything's kind of laid out for you yeah like if you think about AI and Hollywood now that's weird right it's like if you it's in writers rooms it's used as a tool but I was I was listening to that podcast with Ben and Matt on your show and you guys were talking about you know the like basically everything that AI has

2:21:31or the information that it provides to you is an average of everything that's out there right so it'll never be excellent right because it's a it's a it's the average of all the information out there so it's like trying to do a median but I'm just thinking about how it's become a tool that is going to exist in our world now the question is the morality of it and the lines that we draw where we protect human beings and human contribution and are able to delineate the difference between what is created by AI and what is not you know and the the need for I think um human flaws are something that I don't know if AI will be able to recreate anytime soon and that like in art that's what you need right yeah you'll get facts similes yeah but you won't get the real thing it's like the hollowness of AI music AI music is really fun but after a while

2:22:35you realize that's there's not a dude singing this and there's not like a soul to it it's weird it's empty yeah yeah so far but who knows that's the problem it could figure out a way to manipulate that part of your brain that reproduces whatever soulful music is or whatever the soul is yeah I mean I was thinking about like being an actor I was like is that going to be absolute obsolete in the next like 10 years are we going to be watching kind of could be yeah are we going to be watching like really good AI actors probably you know until we'll find a new job well I think a lot of people are going to have to find a new job I think live performances plays in musicals and stuff like that people are always going to want to see people do something live for sure yeah well when it comes to cinema especially because I feel like audiences also love larger than life cinema right like we go to the theaters to watch this like big shit we loved

2:23:38when we effects came into movies we love the imagination being able to be so big I do think AI helps in a big way to take away the burdens of you know the minutia of things that we might have to do as a tool which it can do like a breakdown of a script or whatever but I think when it comes to like creating the human like human fragility of life and story it is still a little bit away from being able to do that yeah I think it's always going to be like pop yeah it's never going to create like taxi driver yeah yeah yeah yeah you need I mean but I love you wrong about that too yeah who knows it might not even matter but it's how it starts taking over all of our resources I'm so curious actually to see how many conversations that everyone all of us have had about you know this emergence of AI and how that like stays 10 years later are we like this did this

2:24:40age well probably no did I know what I was talking about we probably have no idea what's no no chance we didn't have an idea about this like where we would be right now it might be Dr. Manhattan floating over the country telling us what to do yeah it's possible I don't know um but thank you for being here I really enjoyed it it was a really fun conversation thank you and I really enjoyed your movie it was crazy violent I didn't expect that but very exciting and very good thank you for taking me around the world and everywhere else we time traveled we talked about the whole world we went into this view and into the future it was awesome well congratulations to you and continued success thank you thank you I really enjoyed it thank you