#208 | Jake Kail: Generational Curses, Trauma & The Freedom Journey Discipleship Manual

0:00to minister in Colorado at a ministry school. Mrs. you know a few years back and we we went there and we were there for like four days probably even four or five days. And I the opening night I preached on Isaiah 61 and I talked about this concept of you know the spirit of the Lord upon me and this whole progression that leads through. At the end I let kind of a group time of ministry for deliverance. I was leading them through prayers for repentance and forgiveness and then I started to pray over them and command and clean spirits to come out in Jesus name and there's a young lady in the back of the room and he was Lauren. She was in the back of the room and all of a sudden she just dropped underneath and started weeping. She came up to the front to get prayer. I prayed for I didn't really ask any much of what was going on. I prayed as the Holy Spirit was leading me and I felt the Holy Spirit prompt me to pray over her according to Isaiah 61. But I just preached and so I started praying for the broken pieces of her soul to be healed for her heart to come back together. Hey everyone. Welcome to talks with Gallagher. We are live tonight with Jake Cal and he was called into ministry in college after a life changing and counter with God.

1:13He went on to serve as a lead pastor of threshold church for over eight years before transitioning into full time ministry. Focus on awakening deliverance in equipping the body of Christ. Jake is a prolific author whose books include setting captives free. How to break the chains of the modic influence keys for deliverance. How to minister deliverance a training manual. Can a Christian have a demon question mark choosing to forgive rooted and his latest release, which we're going to be focusing on tonight, which is the freedom journey discipleship manual and he also speaks to churches and conferences all across the country and is also known for his ministry approach with a biblical Christ centered compassionate approach to helping believers move from their bondage to truly lasting freedom. So I'm just so delighted to have you on Jake and I've been one have you on for a while. So I'm finally I'm so glad that our schedules have finally worked together and we met at a glow awakening many years ago briefly.

2:15And so I've just followed the ministry ever since and really appreciate the kingdom work that you are doing and I asked you right before we went on the air like how many how many books have you written and I thought you written just kind of like shy of under 10 and you said you written how many books. I'm a new one is number 14 so 14 books. And I was all 14 books like assessor like we can purchase them on Amazon or just a certain amount. Yes. Okay. Okay. Okay. Great. Yeah. Okay. Great. Okay. Awesome. Awesome. Yeah. Fantastic. So what led you to write this book 14 this. Journey discipleship manual because you know it seems like discipleship right now is a lost spiritual art form in the church day. It's like you know we could get someone saved and someone you know having a word preached on a Sunday morning and you know this as a pastor too.

3:18And those are the most important cause like discipleship equipping aspect in churches. You sometimes mostly see that in more apostolic churches but you don't really see that with you know most churches here in America as a you know a common practice but you see some of these life groups or these small groups. But you don't really see like diligent discipleship to really bring a greater level. Yeah, so what what what led you to write this book? Yeah. Yeah. Thanks, John. First of all, just thanks for having me on. It's good to connect this way and to be able to have this conversation. So, yeah, I've got to hear the Freedom Journey, discipleship manual. Oh, yeah. Let me flip your camera. All right. There you go. Show it again. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Now, there you go. Fantastic. There you go. You can see the world in the right way. Yeah. So, yeah. So the Freedom Journey, I mean, it's all about freedom in Christ. And the basic concept is that when Jesus died in the cross, he paid the

4:19price for forgiveness, but also for freedom. And that includes a variety of things. But when we get saved, we get born again, there's a measure of transformation that happens at that moment. And of course, we're forgiven, we're justified, we're declared righteous, but then we go on a journey. That's what's called the Freedom Journey, because there's a process of transformation that begins to happen. And what that looks like is we are experiencing what Jesus already purchased for us. So we already have it legally, like legally speaking, it's already finished. We already have it. But then as we walk out the journey, there is different measures of freedom that we have. So, a lot of the stuff in the book I have written before, you know, in some other books, like on deliverance or other topics, but I wanted to put it in this format. So this format is a manual format where it's like a Bible study, it's like a discipleship manual, like you said earlier, that really walks a person like step by step. So there's like 10 lessons in it. Each one's a different topic, like freedom from sin, freedom from demonic influence,

5:23forgiveness, renewing the mind, healing from trauma. Just each one is a different focus, like freedom from the lies of the enemy. But it's written in such a way to really help a person absorb it and apply it. So every lesson has like some teaching, some questions for reflection, some more teaching, you know, digging deeper in scriptures. And then there's a prayer for freedom at the end of the lesson where you can pray through and kind of walk out the freedom. So I wanted it to be in a format that people can digest. They can, you know, apply to their own lives, but then also has a discipleship tool for people. If you're discipling somebody, then you run out of walk them through their journey of freedom. It'd be a great thing that you could use to help disciple another person and walk with them or group studies. I've just found, you know, the different manuals I've done, I've done a one called rooted. I did one on on on deliverance equipping, you know, I've done different manuals and I find that there seems to be a real hunger for that type of material. And so I wanted to put, you know, some of my other material on freedom into a format like this to help people take that journey and experience the freedom that Jesus, again, he already

6:28purchased that for us on the cross, but we walk that out step by step. So I hope that helps just kind of give a basic overview. Yeah, thanks for getting that basic overview. And I believe that this is really going to be a fantastic resource for those that want to walk this out together. Because, you know, when you're walking in, you know, freedom and and deliverance and the wholeness, you know, it's it's a process that's involved with it. And sometimes you need other strong believers to walk that process out with you, you know, it's just one thing having the demon cast out of you is another thing where you're walking out that, you know, deliverance in your own personal life on a day-to-day basis, right? That sustaining it. So you mentioned about, you know, how some things happen legally at salvation justified in redeem and some things are walked out over time, the sanctification process, deliverance process. So can you unpack that for us? Because I think sometimes,

7:33you know, I this might sound for some really foundational basic, but there's also some really profound deep truths because you're right, truth can set us free, truth sets us free, right? So because we have a variety of different spiritual levels watching, you know, and listening to this podcast. So, but, you know, for for those that want to kind of understand kind of that component better from your book and kind of give them that that that tastes as can you just unpack that a little bit? Yeah, for sure. So there's certain aspects of our salvation that you could kind of put in a category of like legal, it's like a legal declaration. So like you mentioned, we're like justified. Now, word actually means declared righteous. So that's when a person puts their faith in Jesus through the blood of Jesus. God looks at them and says, you are righteous, right? Because of Christ's righteousness, not because of our own, but because of Christ's righteousness, that's justified. That's like a legal term. But then there's some things that are more experiential, like sanctified. So sanctified means to be set apart, but it needs to grow in holiness.

8:36And that happens on a journey over time, become more conformed into the image of Christ. Even like it says in 1 John, I think it's chapter 1 verse 9, it says that through the blood of Jesus, it says that he has forgiven us, but also cleansed us from all unrighteousness. The blood of Jesus is forgiveness, but also it says cleanses us from all unrighteousness. And right there, again, forgiveness is like an experiential, I mean, sorry, a legal term. You are declared forgiven. The debt's removed. It's like a legal transaction. The debt has been removed. You are forgiven. But then cleansing is experiential. That's when you're washed from the effects of sin. So from the guilt, from the shame, from the defilement, all that sin does and brings into our lives. And so yeah, there's this transformation process that we all walk through as believers, even though the moment of salvation were transferred from the kingdom of darkness to the kingdom of God, we're brought into God's family. But yet, we still walk out this journey of transformation. Yeah, thank you so much for giving that next level overview of what we just talked about.

9:41It seems like also to like in the body of Christ in the church that the topic of deliverance is kind of tucked under the rug. It's kind of like that outfit in the room type of topic. It's kind of almost a taboo topic, but really in all actuality that it is extremely a vital and pivotal in the life of a believer. And it's something that is, you know, should be more common practice. I was on a many years ago, about 10 years ago, I was on a mission strip to Colombia, and there was a fire minister there, and the fire of God came, and it was a strong deliverance of noining. And there was some people that were basically on their bellies, slivering like snakes, and the Lord was living them out of like a, probably like a witchcraft python type spirit. And I was thinking myself, wait, like, why don't you see this type of stuff as common in churches in the West? What I mean is churches in the United States, where you see like deliverance. And obviously deliverance isn't just, or a manifestation is not always an indicator

10:43of deliverance happening, but as far as just, it was just more commonplace for deliverance to happen in that part of the world. And so, what are some of your thoughts on when it comes to the topic of deliverance in the body of Christ today? Yeah, yeah, great question. And it's true. I mean, deliverance has been, like you said, kind of a taboo, you know, subject, you know, seems to be getting more attention over the last couple of years. But I think there's some barriers that keep believers in churches from really embracing deliverance that kind of puts it in that taboo character category. I often talk about three things fear, confusion and stigma. So, these three things, so there's a fear of the topic, like, oh, it's kind of scary or spooky or, daunting, you know, to think about. That's one thing, which I think comes from the enemy himself. He kind of wants us to be afraid. Then it's confusion or ignorance, like, or like misunderstanding. Like there's a lot of misunderstanding about what does this look like? What does it mean?

11:44How could a believer have a demon? Like, you know, those kind of questions. So there's a lot of confusion where we need some real just biblical truth. But then there's also a stigma. That's the third one. There's this like stigma that's attached to it where people feel ashamed about it. They feel like, oh, man, if I need deliverance, I must be a really evil person. And so again, that's just a misunderstanding of, you know, what it is and what, you know, what's, what's, you know, what it's for. So I think those barriers really kind of hinder deliverance from being more embraced in this Western culture, like, here in the US, but also a lot of other cultures have more of a supernatural worldview in general too. So like, you know, if you go to places like South America or Africa or you know, other other parts of the world, the prevailing culture has more of a supernatural worldview in their culture, you know, for good or bad. They've a lot, you know, they've got lots of witchcraft, lots of evil stuff like that. But overall, they're open to the supernatural. So in the church, the same way, whereas in the West here, like in the States, it's more of a naturalistic

12:45worldview. Everything's more intellectual, everything's more scientific. And we kind of tend to shun. The culture tends to shun supernatural type things outside of, you know, entertainment, right? You know, in our entertainment, filled with that kind of stuff, but, you know, it comes to real life. People think, oh, it's just crazy. It has just legend, permittance, things like that. So I think those are some of the factors that keep, you know, the Western church maybe from truly seeing the need for deliverance and, you know, embracing it because it was, it was normal for Jesus. I always say it says, it says in Mark 139 that Jesus went through other synagogues, Nogali preaching in their synagogues and casting out demons. And so they put, you know, in that verse, he put casting out demons right next to preaching. It was as common for Jesus to cast out demons. It was from the preachers sermon. So it's not supposed to be this rare, you know, an unusual thing. It's actually, you know, it's actually part of the church's commission to do. So but thankfully we are seeing more churches embrace it and we're seeing more people get equipped, you know, to help help people in need. Yeah. And I think you are a part of that,

13:49Kingdom mandate that's really pivotal in vital right now. When it comes to like a generational curse, it seems like generational curses is a topic that is becoming more and more talked about and by Christ now. Some people think that general curses don't even apply to a lot of women anymore because of different theological understandings. So some people think that general general, general, general curses are very real and need to be dealt with. What, what would you say to those people that, you know, maybe are a skeptical general curses or those that want to be able to be set free from a generational curse and how to identify it? For sure. Yeah. I mean, so the basic concept of a generational curse is it is a negative characteristic is it might be a sinful pattern. It could be some sort of affliction. It could be some sort of mental torment, some sort of a negative thing like that, you know, sin or bondage or affliction, but it passes from one generation to the next. So you kind of see

14:52it trailing through a family line. That's based on what the concept is. And you see it scriptures in the Old Testament that talk about the inequities of the fathers visiting the souls of the third and the fourth generations. You see lots of references like that in the Old Testament. Now, to be clear, it doesn't mean that a child is held responsible for a parent sin. It doesn't mean that a child is held guilty for a parent sin, but the actions of parents can negatively impact their children. There's others in inheritance. It's like a spiritual inheritance. And there can be blessings that get passed down. There can be curses that get passed on. So I see it as very valid. I see it as a very real thing, even for believers, even in the New Testament. One of those things that Jesus paid the price for to set us free from. It says in Galatians 313, that Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law. He can become a curse for us. For it is written, curse is the one who hangs on a tree. So we've been redeemed, right? That's the legal term redeemed. That's purchased. But then sometimes what people have legally, they don't

15:59have experientially yet. Like I said earlier, it's that same concept. And so a person can be a believer and Christ legally speaking has set them free from every curse, but they're still experiencing these ramifications with these effects. And so sometimes we need to actually pray to see those things broken. And I've seen God do incredible things. I've seen people set free from sinful, strongholds, like sexual immorality and pornography when the generational curse was broken. I've seen people healed of different traumas. He would have even physical sicknesses, things like that when the generational curses were broken. So I don't like a formula out of it. We need to be led by the Holy Spirit. We don't want to overanalyze things or think everything's a curse. We have to have a balanced perspective and keep it biblical. But it is very valid. It is very real. And the good news is for those that might be struggling with the generational curse, Jesus paid the price. He became a curse for us. It says Galatians 3, 13, and 14. Check that scripture out. He paid the

17:03price for us. So the reason we identify generational curses is not so that we can think, oh no, I'm stuck this way. It's in my family. No, it's to break that off. And because we're in Christ and we become a new creation. So we can actually start a new legacy of blessing for future generations. And so it's actually good news. But sometimes we have to deal with that dark background and those patterns in the family line to see that freedom come. And that's where iniquity comes into the picture, right? What you were assuring earlier before. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it talks about that next to this 20 where it's actually going through the 10th or the manments, which talks about the iniquities of parents. And in that context, there's talking about idolatry. So sometimes it's related to a cultic practice, which draft often come with generational curses or false religions or pagan things. But you know, you also see patterns and scripture of sin kind of being handed, being passed down, even in some of the godly families, right? So even like Abraham, Isaac and Jacob,

18:05who are the patriarchs, right? You know, you see Abraham, you know, one of his faults was he, he deceives, he lied about his wife and said, oh, she's my sister, you know, so the king wouldn't, wouldn't kill him off to take her. So they kind of had this deal where, hey, you know, we go to this new place, just tell him you're my sister and it's kind of a half truth because, you know, she was a half sister, but they, it was, it was deceptive. So, you know, we see Abraham do that and it kind of caused some trouble in one place and, you know, and then he did it later, you know, with another person. Well, then what's so interesting is we see Isaac and Rebecca is Abraham's son now with Rebecca. He does the same exact thing. I mean, it's almost like a mirror image. It's almost like like you're rewinding the tape and watching it over again. He does the same exact thing. So, oh, wow, like going from one generation to the next generation. And then you see Jacob, he had a problem with deception, right? He deceived his brother, you know, he's sorry, deceived his father to receive the blessing. So for me, like that's an example of like something going through a generational line from one generation to the next,

19:07whereas like a pattern that you can see happening. And so, you know, there's other examples like that you can see in scripture, but yeah, I mean, there is the reality of like a spiritual inheritance. I mean, you just get back to the original fall, right? Adam and Eve fell and the rest of humanity came under that, right? It did just affect them. It affected their offspring and the rest of humanity. So it is a pattern. It is a real thing. But again, Christ came to break the curse. He came to bring freedom from it. And so as believers, no believer has to stay under any curse. But sometimes there's things lingering there that need to be dealt with. So now, how does someone discover like the difference between something that they just need to pray through? You know, and that's just part of that spiritual discipline. You just need to pray through it, you know, you know, push, pray until something happens versus this is really something that needs to be tackled from a deliverance standpoint. Yeah. How does one be able to fully decipher that? Healthfully? Sure. Yeah,

20:14great question. Yeah. I mean, so the fact is we have actually three main enemies that the Bible talks about. You can see this in Ephesians chapter two, where it talks about, you know, one is the devil, right? The kingdom of darkness. And that includes, you know, demonic spirits and principalities and all basically the whole kingdom of darkness. So that's like the devil. And you have a world system, the world system, it says, the course of this world. And that means kind of the culture around us, the value system around us is pushing things that are anti-Christ or that are ungodly. And then we have the flesh, which is, which is, you know, that we inherited, right? This tendency towards sin is fleshly nature that actually works against the things of God, right? So the world reflects the devil. These are three kind of enemies that work against the life of a believer. So, you know, to your question, sometimes we're dealing with things that are simply fleshly. And it's just something that we need to overcome. Like Paul talks about in Galatians 5, the works of the flesh versus the fruit of the spirit. And in those cases, you can't cast out flesh.

21:17You can't cast out, you know, something that's flesh, it needs to be put to death, it needs to be denied, and we need to walk in the spirit. We need to learn how to walk in the grace of God, walk in the spirit of God to overcome those things and walk in victory. But if a person here here's one of the ways to differentiate, is it fleshly versus is it, you know, a demonic something where where deliverance is needed? One of the things I'll kind of look for is if a person really is truly wants to be free from something, they're truly wanting to be free, they're truly repentant, their heart is yodent to God, they are seeking freedom, they're doing everything they know how to do, they're praying, they're in the Word, they're fasting, all the stuff that they know to do, they cannot seem to get free, then sometimes oftentimes there's a good chance in that situation that there's actually a demonic stronghold that needs to be broken in that kind of a situation, it's not just a flesh. Now, there's also supernatural discernment, right? So the Holy Spirit can reveal, oh, that this is actually demonic, like through a gift of discerning of spirits,

22:19where God could show a person, God can speak to them in different ways. So that's another way is God can just reveal it, and then our or if there's a demonic manifestation. So sometimes, you know, I've been praying, like I've been praying for somebody, maybe for like physical healing, or praying for something else, but all of a sudden there's like a demonic manifestation that comes to the surface, and then that makes it clear, oh, this is not just a physical issue, it's actually something spiritual as well. So there's different ways that, you know, that can be discerned or deciphered, but oftentimes if a person is enslaved, like it's like a bonded image, it feels like it's compulsive, it feels like it's enslaving, that's typically more than just the flesh, typically. I think that's going to be really helpful, helpful for some people, do you know, to be able to kind of, you know, cut it in a sense and see that distinction and a difference, because sometimes there can be certain teaching or thoughts out there that just somehow make it more complicated than it needs to be, and I really love your really practical,

23:24straight shooting approach to this topic. It's really appreciated. So like when it comes to the topic of trauma and how that could in some cases, but not always the case, you know, be a demonic influence or a door, or are they separate issues when it comes to that, or, you know, it seems like the whole topic of mental health these days is continuing to be something really, really vital, you know, especially since the pandemic, but what is some of your thoughts when it comes to trauma and dealing with that in a proper way? Because I think trauma may not always be influenced demonically, but it can maybe in some certain cases. Can you just elaborate on that? Yeah, for sure. So obviously there's a connection between trauma and demonic influence.

24:27So they're not necessarily the same thing, but there's a connection. So in traumatic experience, Isaiah 61 is a great place to go for this topic. And Isaiah 61, Jesus quoted this in Luke chapter 4, and he basically said, this is a prophecy by himself. But so it says, the Spirit of the Lord God's upon me, He is anointed me to preach good tidings to the poor. He has set me to heal the broken hearted to proclaim liberty to the captive, the opening of the prison to those who are bound, and continues on there. So a couple of key points there. When it says good tidings or good news to the poor, the word poor is not just financial poverty, it's not limited to just financial situations. It actually means somebody who's been cast away from society or downtrodden or, you know, rejected or ostracized. So it's kind of a broader term. It can mean all those things abused, pushed aside. So it's good news to people who've gone through trauma essentially. I mean, you can kind of even put it in that category. And they says he was sent to heal the broken hearted.

25:31And that word broken hearted, and we think broken heart, we think a person is really sad. But the word broken hearted in Hebrew is two words. And it basically means a shattered soul. So it is a soul that has been crushed or broken or shattered, broken in the pieces. And so what does that trauma does? Traumatic experiences. So traumatic experiences do damage to a person's soul. Just like physical violence hurts a person's body, right? Traumatic experiences does damage to a person's soul. They're interior, they're mind, emotions, their identity. But the very next statement, after healing the broken hearted, he says, proclaim liberty to the captives, opening the prison to those who are bound. And that speaks more of deliverance. And so you see it flows right from healing the soul or inner healing sometimes people call healing the soul. It flows right into that to deliverance to captives, freedom from, you know, demonic influence or opening the prisons and all that. So for me, here's the connection. Trauma can open the door for demonic influence. So a

26:38psych, it's like, you know, the devil, the devil is called a thief. You know, Jesus called him a thief. He called him a murderer. He called him a liar. You know, he's just evil. He's evil to the core. First Peter chapter five says he's like a lion roaming around seeking who he made to vow. Or so he's looking for an opportune moment to influence a person to bring oppression or torment or different things in their life. And so when a person goes through trauma, it's like their soul gets broken. They're in a very vulnerable condition. And oftentimes the enemy will take advantage of that and bring demonic oppression into that area of a person's life. So like, for instance, if a person experiences some sort of childhood abuse, right? You know, whether it's physical violence, whether it's sexual abuse, whether it's, you know, verbal assaults and verbal abuse, things that are traumatic, very, very, very horrific for a person to go through. You know, their soul can get broken from that. Their soul can get shattered. But then on top of that, there can be a demonic influence that comes through that doorway of trauma that basically kind

27:43of keeps the person enslaved to that trauma, keeps them bound by it, keeps them held up by it. So I've seen, you know, when I minister to people that have gone through trauma, I will kind of use that Isaiah 61 as a framework. And I'll pray for their soul to be healed. I'll ask the Holy Spirit to do that work because it's the Spirit of the Lord. It says, that does the work. I'll ask the Holy Spirit to run and just minister to the soul, you know, to heal the broken pieces, to bring it back together. But then I'll also address any unclean spirits. You know, I say, I command any unclean spirit that came through his trauma to get out in Jesus name. You know, you can say it very gently. You don't have to scream and yell, especially when you're, you know, you work with a person that's gone through traumatic stuff and it's probably emotional for them. And, you know, you can be gentle with them, but you can also be firm with casting out their spirits. I've seen God do incredible, incredible things of healing, of a freedom of deliverance. And so for some people, that deliverance components like the missing link for their journey of healing. It's like, you know, they're, you know, they're getting counseling. They're in the world. They're

28:47in prayer. And all those things can be a counseling can be very helpful. I'm not saying no good counseling. Sometimes that's a great way to go for, you know, for some things, we're renewing your mind for getting grounded in truth. But for some people, the deliverance parts of missing component. And, you know, when those spirits get driven out, then it really frees them to actually experience the full healing that God has for them. That's, that's really good. Thank you for unpacking that because, yeah, the whole trauma aspect is very, very like people are recognizing that trauma can sometimes even split personalities and create different aspects of, you know, mental health regarding that and how that's really something that, that the Holy Spirit can also deal with. Do you have any, what you're able to share? Do you have any stories or any testimonies that you can share from people that were delivered? Yes, yeah. And so I actually had one coming to my mind when I was talking about the Isaiah 61. Oh, good. This happened several years ago and I got to see

29:52the fruit of it over years. It's incredible. So that's awesome. Yeah, my wife and I went to minister in Colorado at a ministry school. This is, you know, a Peter's back and we, we went there and we were there for like four days, probably four or five days. And the opening night, I preached on Isaiah 61 and I talked about this concept of, you know, the Spirit of the Lord upon me and this whole progression that leads through. At the end, I led kind of a group time of ministry for deliverance. I was leading them through prayers for repentance and forgiveness and then I started to pray over them and command unclean spirits to come out in Jesus' name. And there was a young lady in the back of the room, her name's Lauren. She was in the back of the room and all of a sudden she just dropped underneath and started weeping. She came after the front to get prayer. I prayed for, I didn't really ask any much of what was going on. I just prayed as the Holy Spirit was leading me and I felt the Holy Spirit prompt me to pray over her according to Isaiah 61, but I just preached. And so I started praying for the broken pieces of her soul to be healed, her heart to come back together. I started

30:55commanding a spirit of heaviness to go because it talks about that, you know, casting out a spirit of heaviness, receiving a garment of praise. So I started just praying through that whole thing and it seemed like God was working and things were happening and you know, then the whole thing kind of wrapped up and you know, we kind of continued on with the week. It was a powerful week administrative loss of freedom happened. And so, but I didn't really know much about her story or the fullness of what happened to the next year. So my wife and I went back to the same school but it was about a year and a half later our second time. And we got there in this young lady, Lauren was there again, but now she was on staff, like one of the staff members for the school. And so I started hearing about her testimony. I was like, tell me more about it. And so she told me her background. So she grew up in a traumatic home environment. And so there was trauma in her background and her family life. And she started experiencing mental health struggles at a young age, anxiety, depression, suicidal, tendencies. She actually attempted suicide at one point. So she was, she was in a bad place. So she went to the school on like a whim. Like he kind of went, like

31:59she got a wink on a whim. And you know, she, she rededicated her life to the Lord. She was trying to follow him, but she kept getting pulled back into drinking, kept getting pulled back into the struggles and all that was going on. She could not seem to get lasting, you know, freedom. And almost to the point where she had to almost have to leave the school. She almost had to actually leave. So she was there that night, that night I talked about. And she said, you know, I don't know why I started to start crying. I don't know what was going on. But I felt like I needed to get prayer. So I went to the front. And she said, Jake, when you were praying for me, from my heart to be healed, she said, I literally felt like pieces of my heart were just like coming back together. She's like, I don't know how to explain it. But I, but she, I mean, that was her word. She was, I just thought like the people that literally were coming back together. And then, you know, you pray for the deliverance and casting off spirit and all that. And she, she, based her life was completely transformed. Her life was completely transformed. The, you know, the draw toward alcohol

33:00was gone. The anxiety was gone. And it was such a radical transformation. I mean, check this out. This is the beauty of how God works. So the, so that first time she was a student, the second time she was a staff member, I've been there four times. The third time I went, she was co-leader of the school. Wow. That's a staff member, but she's co-leader. The fourth time I went, she was the leader of the school. She was leading that school. And she'd led missions teams, all different places around the world. I mean, what God has done in her life since that moment, it was one encounter with the Lord. And that's all, I mean, that's all Jesus. I mean, that's, that is him. I mean, that's nothing I can do. I can't do that. I can't make that happen. That is the Lord's work. He's the same yesterday, today and forever. He's still doing what Isaiah 61 says. He's still healing a broken heart, setting a captive free, you know, giving beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for morning, garment of praise, with spirit of heaviness, and just leading people through that through that progression. So in her case, it was a, it was a real dramatic encounter that that the Lord gave her

34:04in that time and just radically changed her life. But the trauma was a big part of her background and where some of that affliction was coming from, was from the trauma. So she needed healing of her heart and deliverance was both. It was both. Yeah. Wow. Wow. That is so a beautiful story in testimony. Thank you for sharing that. I think it's going to give some people faith to receive their full freedom that God wants to bring into their lives. I'm sorry, this is not necessarily correspondence to your book, but the aspect of healing when it comes to deliverance. I'm sure there is a strong connection between the two, you know, because in some instances when Jesus is discussing on a demon, you know, there was a healing that also took place. So can you just maybe share with, and obviously, this, you know, having a disease in your body or certain, you know, infirmity doesn't always mean that you have a demon, right? I want to preface that. It doesn't

35:05always mean that. But, but sometimes there is a connection. So can you just maybe unpack that? Because I love how you're able to be so, typically, just foundationally sound sharp shooter on the verses on that, but just unpack it for us. Because I'm sure you've seen a case like that, right? Absolutely. Yeah, for sure. And again, we see throughout the gospels, like you mentioned, there's sometimes that Jesus would heal a person by casting out a demon, but it wasn't always the case. And that's what it was a balance, right? Yeah. Right. So one, you know, there's a classic, as a classic example, it comes from Luke chapter 13, in Luke 13, it talks about a woman that says she was bent over. So like she was crippled, basically, her body was bent forward, her spine was probably bent, something like that. But it specifically says she had a spirit of infirmity, she had a spirit of infirmity. So it was a physical condition, but that a spiritual root. So physical condition, spiritual root. And then Jesus, you know, called her to himself, laid hands on her and said, a woman, you are loose from your infirmity. And then she was straightened up her back, was that

36:08would be straightened up. And then later when the Pharisees got mad at Jesus, because it was a Sabbath day, he said, not this woman, he said, not this woman, whom Satan has bound for 18 years. So he attributed it again to the devil and to the kingdom of darkness. So that's a real classic example. And it was actually named as a spirit of infirmity. There's other times where Jesus cast out spirits of deafness or blindness, all kinds of things. So, but yeah, again, there's many times that Jesus healed people without casting out a demon. So some things are purely physical, some things are just purely physical. It's a disease. It's part of this fallen world, all that kind of stuff that can happen. And then sometimes it's spiritual. And again, we need discernment to sometimes know what we're dealing with. But I've definitely seen situations where people were healed of physical things. Sometimes it's like even like things where I think of it as minor things like people, you know, pain in their neck, pain in their back. And then they get delivered

37:10from something and the pain's gone. Right. So even something like that, where it wasn't like a life threatening disease in that case. But there was pain in their body. And then when they were delivered from a spirit, the pain left, I've seen that one lady, there was one young lady I was ministering at a meeting. It was like a youth discipleship kind of thing. I was at. I started to let to pray against the spirit of infirmity. So I started, you know, commanding a spirit of infirmity. She goes, it was a whole group that was I was praying over, not just a single person. But this one young lady, you know, she told me the testimony over the next day or so. I was there two days. So on the second day, she shared this and I've talked to her since then as well. She had a vision of Jesus, basically laying hands on her stomach. And she had had some sort of food allergies where she couldn't eat certain foods, basically. And Jesus healed her that day. As I was commanding spirits of infirmity to go, she was able to eat that night, that night they were out with the friends and she was able to eat food. She wasn't able to eat and things like

38:14that. So I've seen different types of situations. I mean, there was one lady that could hardly walk when I got to their house. And there was lots of stuff from the past. And there was a cultic stuff in the generational family mind and you know, prayed over her, led her through deliverance prayers. Then she starts kind of walking around the test it, test it out. She walks up the steps and tears start coming down her eyes. I thought she was in pain. But no, she was crying because she was better. She wasn't in pain. And she couldn't remember the last time she walked up the steps without pain. So yes, it's very real that evil spirits can afflict people physically. It's very much in the gospels. It seems kind of odd to us again in our Western mindsets. Yeah. Seems like, oh, that just seems like superstitious. So that seems like just ancient beliefs that they used to think because they don't have doctors and all that. But it's just just as real today.

39:16But again, it's not a formula and it's not every situation. So it's all case by case. For sure. Yeah. And those that are listening and watching now that are fiery ones, those that really want to go on the front lines and do deliverance. What would you tell those people that really want to be fully immersed and they are wanting to just set the captives free. What would you tell them? Yeah. Well, the first thing I tell them is get the foundation right. Get the foundation right. And I was talking about these four things, intimacy, compassion, authority, and the power of the Holy Spirit. That's the foundation for ministering to other people. So you start with, okay, how do I cast out a demon? You start with, you start with, I need to know Jesus.

40:17There you go. I need to have a deeper relationship with God. And that was what Jesus did. In March chapter three, it's that he selected 12 that they might be with him. And then it says, and he might send them out to preach and authority over, you know, unclean spirits to heal all that. But the first thing it says that they might be with him. So first it starts with just intimacy with God, knowing him more, pursuing him more, you know, the, you know, the secret place in your prayer life, all that kind of stuff, you know, being in the Word, just immersing yourself in scripture, right, just getting the no God through his Word, through his presence, through prayer. And then compassion, Jesus was moved with compassion, deliverance is a ministry of compassion for the oppressed. That's what it is. It's not a spectacle, it's not a show, it's not about getting, you know, likes or views on social media. It's honestly, it has to be a compassion for people. And in the gospels over and over again, it says, Jesus was moved with compassion. And so ask God, Lord, give me your heart for people,

41:17give me your heart for souls, give me your heart to see people set free. And you cultivate that by praying in secret. You cultivate that by spending time with God. You cultivate that by interseeding for other people. And they don't even know about it. You're just praying for them on your own. You're seeking the Lord on your own. You're crying out to him on behalf of others. God's heart is coming into you. That compassion comes into you. And then we, then we need authority. In Luke chapter 9, verse 1, it says that Jesus called us 12 himself. He gave them power and authority over all demons. So two words there, authority and power, the related, but they're distinct in their meaning. So authority has to do with like a legal permission. You are authorized to do something. You are permitted. Like if you have a driver's license, you're authorized to drive a vehicle. And so Jesus authorized his followers to cast out demons in his name. So the authority comes from his name and from his word, but it's exercised through faith. You have to believe in his word. You have to believe that he's giving you that authority. If you don't believe he's giving you the authority,

42:19you won't be able to stand in that place and actually do it. So growing in that, in that revelation and then there's the power of the Holy Spirit. Again, Jesus is the model for this. Even though he's fully God, right? He's fully God, fully man. He relied on the power of the Holy Spirit. I love what it says in Acts 1038. It says that God had appointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power who went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil for God is with him. So we need the same empowerment. And when you're born again, the Holy Spirit comes to end well. You already lives inside of you, but we're called to continue to ask to be filled with the Holy Spirit. We can receive a fresh filling or empowerment of the Holy Spirit. So we should be pursuing that. So that's a long answer. That's part one. The answer. Part one is get the foundation right, intimacy, compassion, authority, and power. Then part two is do some practical equipment, do some learning about what is deliverance? How does it work? It's not a formula. There's no

43:20formula for deliverance, but there's biblical keys. There's biblical principles. Like, you know, learning how to walk a person through repentance, learning how to close any doors that the enemy has, right? Learning how to drive out those demons using authority and faith in Christ. So get some practical equipment through books or resources or things like that. And then you learn by experience. Learn by actually stepping out and faith and actually ministering to people. So never, you know, never push it on people. Never try to make a person receive prayer. If they're not ready for that, they're not open to it. You know, make sure the person's open and willing. But then as you have opportunity, step out and pray for people and trust that the Lord's going to be with you as you do it. Amen. Amen. Well, guys, if you want to have a great, fantastic resource on your freedom of journey in your personal life and you want to do this together with others as well in a group setting or if you want to yourself and then do it in group setting, J.Kale has this fantastic book

44:22on this manual steps for freedom and holiness in Christ and walking and laying out in a very practical way with that biblical foundation. And that we can walk through. And this is a beautiful two-unresource for the kingdom and for the body of Christ. So if you scan the QR code if you're watching on your smart TV, it will point you right to Amazon. You can read it on Kindle or paperback. And Jake, what is like the biggest takeaway you want people to walk away with from this book? Yeah, I mean, really the biggest thing I want people to know is that there is freedom and that Jesus already paid the price for it. And so I mean, he, again, he paid the price for it, but yet there are steps that he'll lead us through. And so just he's the deliverer, he's the one who sets us free, he's the savior. So don't get bogged down and trying to figure everything out.

45:26Trust him to do the work as you take the right steps, walking obedience, submit to God, resist the devil, hopefully take those steps that you're supposed to take, but just know that it's him. He's the one who does it. He loves to bring freedom to his people. And the more you know him, and the more you are establishing his truth, the more freedom you'll walk in. So there's freedom for guys people to have. Amen. Is there any particular thoughts or anything else you want to share pertaining to your book and what we've talked about so far? I mean, again, I would just say, I love it as a resource for group studies. You mentioned that. There's churches that will, that will sometimes they'll get a group like 10, 10 books, 10 manuals, and they'll go through in groups, they'll get 15 or something like that. So it is actually great because there's, you know, there's questions in there for reflection. There's questions I could use for discussion of things like that. So by me, it's great for personal use as well or discipling others. So

46:31yeah, I would just encourage people to check it out and trust the Holy Spirit to, you know, do the work in them as they take their steps and apply God's work to their lives. So that's it guys, apply it. That's what it's all about. It's not just up here. It's being doers of the word, not just here, it's only. So Jake, where could people like learn more about your ministry and more about, you know, what you have to offer in the kingdom because you're not just an author. You're also a pastor and teacher and many other things. So where could people learn more about your ministry and your church? Yeah, so I actually stepped out of pastor in a couple years. Oh, that's right. Sorry. Okay. Yeah, I pastored for eight years in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, so live in Lancaster. But just over two, it was about two and a half years ago, I stepped full time into the traveling ministry. Oh, turn around. Okay. Yeah. Oh, fantastic. Okay. Yeah. So yeah, so I'm doing that now full time. But my website is the best place to go. jkl.com. K-A-I-L. Say, spell,

47:34yeah, so jkl.com. That's the best place to go. It has tons of free resources, by the way. All my e-courses are free. So there's, there's a list of e-courses. They're all free. There's podcast episodes, there's videos, there's hundreds of articles. And then of course, there's all my books that are on there as well. And those are for purchase from Amazon. But lots of free resources. And you can also see my events page where I'm speaking at where I'm traveling and going to to minister and things like that. So yeah, the website's kind of the central hub that kind of has kind of all the stuff connected to the ministry. And yeah, what's happening there. So that's fantastic, guys. So check out jkl.com. And I've been to your website and you're right, it's just chock full of just amazing resources and amazing how a lot of it's free. That's that's terrific. So guys, check out his website jkl.com to learn more and what all the resources jkl has there on his site. Well, guys, man, this has been a great conversation. And thank you, Jake, for talking about

48:37this really important topic is becoming more and more vital as we are in the times and seasons that we are we are in. And I appreciate you being on tonight. So yeah, John, yeah, I know. Appreciate. Thanks for having me. It's been a blessing. It's been good to have the conversation for sure, man. I appreciate it. Thanks a lot. Yeah, you're welcome. You're welcome. Everyone, thank you so much for watching listening with talks with Galagher. If you want to support this show, go to talksaguarga.com. Until next time, we'll see you soon. Bye, everyone.