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0:00Australia that are common in Germany that everyone was if you've you mentioned Australia these these claims will often come up so we're gonna test them here today okay it's like myth-busting okay but I call it tail testing because I don't want to step on it also because I kind of look like the myth-busters guys I don't want to be I don't want to be confused with with here we're calling a tail testing you might say Australian to come language truth or bullshit yeah maybe yeah maybe I should have yeah to this car let's do it truth or bullshit yeah all right so okay so the number one thing as soon as you talk about Australian Germany is all the spiders we're gonna die this is my first impression for people I just I like lifted up the toilet seat like as soon as I fly onto his mother's house I like when he picked me up in the airport I checked the door I was like I wouldn't let him drive until I checked under the the sun flap to see if there's a judge yeah she really effectively complex or spiders does he thought they'd just be everywhere she

1:00thought like she shook out a shoes as well shoes seriously he said to in here in the last week Rory is Jenny and David Sun oh my gosh so those listening were they the venomous spiders now they're not venomous they're just pink huntsman yes okay it's somebody with a racnephobia I know the photo of the huntsman yeah Susan really had a yeah mentally prepare herself yes so Susan was mentally prepared to come here and I know and I know we're a Romanian guy that he denied and a scholarship to study in Australia because he's scared of spiders oh my gosh and he studied in Germany instead but is that like so okay so they they they are seen in the house the spiders are here alright but you know you know where the spiders are going to be right it's it's not like they like so don't don't go putting your hands in the wood pile

2:03because there's gonna be spiders in the wood pile you know if you're in the garden and this like this pot plants or something don't put your hands near the pot plants because the spider like that's where a spider is going to be okay but like you're sitting here having dinner like a spider is not gonna jump on you so okay so you just be aware of the danger of the patience but our son Rory who's 17 he put his school shoes on the other week and yeah he was just sitting well he was sitting over there on the sofa and I was sitting at the table here and Rory just went there he's like there's a huntsman spider in my shoe so yeah like you can watch out for the shoes okay I was see you made me feel crazy for shaking out my shoes no no that's a real thing too so so it's happened twice in the last week but the huntsman spiders are not venomous they're friendly and they eat cockroaches

3:06they are your friends yeah so so you just give them names and you let them be on their way they they actually are venomous it's just that they won't really hurt you they come they won't kill you you won't do it yeah they are venomous yeah yeah but anyway and do you know anyone that's ever been stung by venomous spider bitten by venomous spiders yes so when I was working at IBM one of my colleagues ended up spending her wedding night in hospital she got bit by a white back white towel spider yeah I didn't know that yeah what's since by your summer show I just yeah so yeah she's during the wedding yeah yeah the day for the beach and then the same thing left oh it was because of beach wedding okay okay we just I get so do you take I don't

4:06this is only what happened oh my god wow ironically I'm using the she she also was a Jenny yeah so she no okay 20 five years ago but she she spent her wedding night in hospital oh I did not know that she was fine she's my phone count it didn't die just relax everyone but the world's biggest funnel web spider was found in Newcastle yesterday oh how big was it I'm not going to let him explain in here but wait the fun level is the most venomous spider one of those how big is that like like a tea plate like okay I'm like a side like a source of source of fire and like that so yeah for people who don't know again on a positive note no one's died from the bite from the funnel web in the last 25 yes because the anti-venomins are the anti-venomins but they give you the injection yeah yeah but yeah again don't put your hands in the wood pile don't put your hands you know you you kind of know where they hang

5:11yeah don't dig up things in the garden because like they do okay okay but but then yeah a huntsman spider can come in your house but you know no big deal funnel web spider no like they stay outside yeah sorry now that you know they're in this this home because it's scared I'm not really good because I kill all your monsters they kill all the other bugs so they yeah yeah your friends what about what are those things thanks no snakes well where we were last week in the in the country um they're like if you go for a bush walk you just got to be really loud like you go step your feet like be really loud because if you're loud the snakes will go away yeah if you're quiet let me even surprise one yeah stumble on one and that's that's not a good thing so just be loud and yeah because the snakes are a scared of you yeah they're not they're not hunting

6:12you're not gonna come after you they're not gonna come and get you but if you're walking in long grass and you're not careful like they could be there so just just be that all of these things is just be aware and be alert not alarm yeah is that like something that people say oh this is a terrorist that was a terrorist thing no now after 9-11 they started this concept of be alert not alarm okay okay against that terrorist about about to be interesting no no about terrorism well yes but I adapt a lot of things why that's all I'm sorry so I'm sorry the different mm-hmm and the other myth is that as soon as you get out of the plane you get out of the airport there's just kangaroos everywhere yeah I was actually I frequently queue behind one in my local I mean to be honest okay this might be an embarrassing thing to say but this morning I was in his room like with the with the blinds open and I was just like staring out at the street

7:14and I saw like what looked like I didn't have a collar on it was a kind of like a wiry thin dog and I was like copy is that a dingo like come to the window is that a dinghy right there it doesn't have a collar it looks like a wild it wasn't I saw a dingo with the zoo today we all went to the zoo but I was like okay that there was either a very skinny wiry dingo or somebody's dog that was just got loose yeah yeah for a second there yeah yeah but and then then the uh although although in saying that there was a kangaroo that was jumping over the harbour bridge probably what is the wallaby down exactly was it was it a wallaby yeah you should throw four years ago three three years ago pre-COVID yeah and it was literally jumping over the harbour bridge well it hopped over the harbour bridge yeah from south to north yes and so the police had to come and get it because it was disrupting traffic oh wait what's that using the pedestrian traffic

8:19that's right and you know actually talking about you know things are Australian holding up the traffic is the worst thing you do you know I'll be very very surprised if that wallaby is still alive then we won't take an apple in New South Wales finest the boys in blue but yeah anyway yeah now that's that's a real thing that happened but yeah okay it was kind of funny was on the news and that was in fact news that was that was that was real news and Susan had a question of whether there's any kind of monsters like the oh cryptids are they're Australian cryptid like being fun so there is like there's a bunny yes so there's bunnies and there's what is a bunny meant to be nobody knows oh there's a mental look like well it's a meant to be like big fun I imagine it's like the grapholo have you seen the grapholo no oh the grapholo he has yeah he's seen the grapholo no no then the grapholo has can you describe like its features what is

9:24the grapholo well the grapholo when they want to tell the graphola has poison spikes on its back the poor thing one's no big thing on its no big fairy thing and yes anyway if you kill your day after this go go the grapholo and a bunny is probably similar to that so it's a big fairy thing with you know whatever but in panorath and the blue mountains they talk about the the panther like the football team is called panther panthers and they talk about you know this this mythical like panther panther that exists like at the base of the blue mountains and no one's ever sure if it's real or not to be like loft ness monster yeah yeah well that's what we thought he called it it's called a crypt crypt cryptid a cryptid is the is the term for these like a creature like loft ness monster yeah they thought that the platypus was a cryptid yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

10:29or like this creature in africa that has like the horns and like the stripes they thought that that was like you know some they thought it was a made up animal for a long time all right so that's that's the wildlife aspect yes so what about the the people aspects so this is belief I would say when you bring up Australia that everyone's very easy going I thought it was still the wild west in a way like I really thought because I mean the way I grew up I learned that it was just you know settled by criminals and it was still kind of like a wild west town and I came here and they were not chill they were not chill at all I mean actually you know I just had to admit that I brought in some almonds and then they let me through but yeah did you get to kick I did no I look I really did my due diligence and I looked up the actual like you know all the phones and they said if it's raw almonds you can't bring them in but if they're roasting you can

11:32so I left my raw almonds in California and brought the roast roast I bought roasted ones I don't I don't want to be trouble I don't want to come my sister did the first time she came here I think called the second time she came here second time maybe she um she did attempt to smuggle a whole bunch of cheese here she was living in Paris at the time so she brought a whole bunch of very very nice brioche for me and she got busted they're not allowed to bring it in because I've declared cheese before and they've been like yeah this is the turn of the century this is 99 okay maybe yeah and raw milk brew and what have you so she got busted by the bagel and the the customs people eight no the customs people eight or all right thank you Thanks for your punishment. It was your fight for lunch.

12:33Yeah, had it for lunch. I'm gonna have to go home. They might have been here.

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15:37Be my embrace now Be my embrace now What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? Adventures in the Land of Oz Ishten and Hamburger in Australia FSCAR Radio 93.0 Oh God. All right. But is it going people? Depends. Depends. How serious do you want to get? Like we can get serious if you want. You can get serious if you want. That's very serious on this show over time. Are we live hell for our series? No, it's a bullshit. Truth or bullshit, kind of. So we want to hear the truth, you know.

16:37Because the thing is and someone I'm a big Twitter user. So someone on Twitter once said to me about Australia that we didn't fight for freedom. We got it for good behaviour. That's a nice line. And that's huge. Yeah. Because the whole thing about Australia being laid back and blah, blah, blah. Well, actually very law-abiding. And so a lot of people and David included who have come from other countries have said that Australia is like we're very law. Like they're surprised at how law-abiding we are. And so we've got this like reputation of being this lyrical kind of blah, blah, blah. But that's all kind of. Like in the myth of the truth or bullshit thing. That's in the bullshit category. And that we actually comply a lot more than people think we do.

17:41And so and it's because we didn't fight for freedom. We got it for good behaviour. And so it's this whole like. Yeah, you've got it like the rules are there. And David and I were discussing this the other day. As long as you comply to the rules, you can be as big an idiot as you like. As long as you're complying with the rules. Yeah. But if you if you're outside the rules, it doesn't matter if you're outside the rules for good reasons or not, you're outside the rules and that's a bad thing. Yeah, it's just binary. Yeah, but if you're inside the rules, you can be as big an idiot as you want, as long as you're inside the rules. You're playing. So yeah, so we can't have the. We use different language. I expressed it rather. No, no, sorry. I expressed it rather more colourfully. Yeah, yeah. In the context of the Johnny Bees though, dismissal in the ashes last season. Hmm. So cricket reference.

18:41Or Susan and other listeners. Maybe we don't need to go into this whole story. Well, no, but it's really it's really pertinent to what we discussed. Now, I won't bore everyone with the details, but it was around. What was done was technically within the rules within the rules, but in English parlance, it didn't stop that being something. Oh, cheers, my wife was really carefully here. Absolutely despicable and appalling and just a really shit basically. So, but, but the Australian inference will be. It was in the rules that don't call me. If I haven't done that, whereas I will call you for having done there, notwithstanding the fact that you're following the rules. So it's a really. Distinction. Yeah, it's a really quite profound. Inference of as to what guides.

19:41Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not okay just to be following the rules. If you're still a complete. I think that this is also something that you see a lot in German culture. Is that they're sticklers for rules, but they can also like just be like total assholes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just like I say I say, I say ass, you say assholes. We're talking about the same body part. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like it's just me like you're talking about the same hole. Like the most malicious, malicious creature. Like malicious person. But if you are technically acting within the rules, then like, you know, same time, same time, but different. Yes, come for blame. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah, yeah, yeah. And that is in a way, it's the same here. So, you know, we just drove back from the country the other day. And as a British person,

20:41that's also spent time driving in France and Germany and Spain and Italy, where we have much lot of fatalities on the road. Everyone here is obsessed about the speed limit. And the worst thing you can do is break the speed limit. Yes, yes. You can drive like a complete asshole. But it's okay because you're under the speed limit. But you're still, you're like a child. You shouldn't even have a driving license. You're not going fast on the speed limit, therefore it's okay. And so, yeah, I think we're on the same. Yeah, yeah. It's like it's not that I'm deteriorating, yeah. But I've noticed, like, because I spent some time in Sweden over the years, and I noticed similarities between Sweden and Australia, in this like rule following, and also like respect for the state as sort of something that's taking care of you. Whereas, whereas maybe the US and I think Germany is also the same where it's kind of like a battle, a battle against the state, but like kind of dislike of the state being there trying to control you.

21:41I'm also very English, of course. Yeah. Of course, I noticed in Sweden and Australia, there's this very like, oh, the state's there to take care of me. Yes, I should. And they bring in there whatever rules. And it's like, well, I have to do that because, you know, mummy and daddy know what's best for me. It's interesting. Yes, I was having this conversation with a guy who's lived in Australia for, I don't know, 30 years maybe, but he's Serbian. And he left. I kill you. No, he left. He left Serbian in like the time of the war and stuff like that. And he said during the lockdowns that he was surprised at how acquiescent the Australians were with the lockdowns. Like we can just complied like everyone just did the thing. And he's like, what are you guys doing? You know, I thought, hey, you're like, well, let's do the thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're not, we're not well, you know.

22:41And also when I was very like, so in Germany, it was like, you know, that we had like lockdowns and restaurants were closed and like, you know, had to mask up and everything. But they never had the military come to your home to make sure that you were inside. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was some, that was a special gift to Australians. Like it would seem exclusively for the people of Western Sydney. Yeah, so when my mom was in her mouth, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, really showed this division between the Western, I see, yeah, so I was of Sydney. Well, why do you think that was? Because people here wouldn't copy it. Oh, I see. So I mean, yeah, the class divisions are always there in like Sydney, it's not so obvious all that like it's obvious, but not. So what's in Sydney's more working class? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's more working class. At well, people here are better educated. It's where most professionals live. Yeah.

23:41And it's like anywhere else in some sort of culture. It's also in the Western Sydney. Yeah, it's also where you're going to get a shitload more attitude. Yeah. Again, Batters Point of Back, we essence. Over there, people buy and large despite the fact they drive like shit and you know, you know, a bunch of other behavioral considerations that might be interesting when it comes to a confrontation with the Lord for some more of the Lord. They'll take it. But it'll be ours that basically say, no, sorry, excuse me, Mr. Policeman. What? Fuck off. You are wrong. Very interesting. And I'm completely. No, I mean, compared to the US, I mean, I feel like working class people like, you know, in poorer states that they just be, you know, completely buck all these, these regulations during COVID, but maybe if they tried to pull something like that in like a rich area, they get more, do you know who I am? I'm going to call my lawyer sort of attitude.

24:41But it's also says, it's not just, don't do know who I am. So the people will hear, people will. So now, confront a lot of officers and say, no, sorry, you're factually incorrect. And stop. That's the thing. The more aware of the facts and the legal situation. I feel like that is if you're immigrant and stuff, you don't know the legal situation. That's not really in a way of just feeling the courage to be able to confront, you know, of the cop, you know, factual awareness of the situation you're in. I mean, one of the things that's interesting though, because I kind of walk both sides of the fence with this is that, yes, you can say, and yeah, the emigrates from elsewhere might say, oh, you know, you're very acquiescent with regards to say the COVID thing. But if you look at someone like UK, they've done a whole bunch of number crunching now on the number of elevated deaths,

25:42occurred since COVID started. And they're running at like a quarter of a million people. Since COVID starts from now, a quarter of a million people have died. They're dying. They're having a started. So on the one hand, you know, you don't take what the state says for granted and just go, yeah, did, did, dobbin for sure. But by the same token, if someone spent 15 or 20 years studying medicine and as a subject, met her expert in his field, health in this case, whereas I'm just a dude that's like middle ranking in IT, then I'm going to have the humility to actually trust his or her expertise. As opposed to just doing the Trumpian thing, which is, I know. Well, my opinion is better than your opinion. Yeah, it's not. It's just a flu. You're scared of the flu. That was where I'm asking you know, I mean, oh my god, I got my gym,

26:46which is a lovely gym. The guy that runs it during the week is 11 East German. Interesting combination, but he's a. At least German Australian. Yeah, no, not Australian. German is German in Australia. Yes. He called it DIA. He called it comedy. You can't get his visa because it's very complicated. You're all to see and it's ridiculous. He's been a productive member of society here for a decade. But he's one of those conspiracy theory nut jobs that, you know, I wear a mask, just complete waste of time and blah, blah, blah. And he knows a lovely guy and a lot of time for him. I'm known him for five or six years, but he just spouts his stuff as if he's an expert. Yeah. He's the guy that kind of sweeps the floor and looks after the equipment in the gym. And you know, it does. And I mean, yeah, it's really interesting because on the one hand, I think it's important to have a respect for expertise when that expertise is genuine.

27:50And most of the times you know, it is. But on the other hand, how do we stop the state saying, no, best when it manifests? Yeah. Yeah, I guess it's like respect for science, but then if science is some kind of like captured by the state and misused. You're pretty. Do you think it also has something to do with if the science or what's being like the narrative is matching what your world view is? Like you, I don't know, have this stretch for the government. Of course, COVID. Of course, COVID. Of course, I mean, yeah, no, precisely. Like you're both automatically. You both said in about 15 seconds what I was trying to say really badly in about three minutes because that worries. You know, that respect for honestly and objectively projected science. Both are the things that's really fascinating now. So there's so much information, there's so much data on this, so much everything. It's just like you wait for your own boat to come. Exactly. Oh, yeah, or jump on that one. It might be bullshit.

28:50And all the other boats are going in the other direction, but I like that boat, you know. Or just flipping TV channels like which reality do I feel like today? I tune to my channel and it gives you so how do you can all reality? How do you ever come? I mean, I think this is a global issue that everyone. Yeah, I would say, but I say Australia maybe has a deep less, but it's hard because it's just my perception to my kids about seriously. Because I was talking to image in the other day and we were talking about our daughters are swiftly by the way. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I love to. Yeah. But we were talking about song lyrics, right? And how misheard song lyrics and you know, they're called monder greens, right? And you know, you've sung these song lyrics incorrectly for 30 years. And my daughter was saying, well, can't you just like couldn't you just Google them? And it's like, well, no, because in 1985, there was no Google.

29:52She's like, yeah, you couldn't you couldn't Google anything. And it's like, yes, we couldn't Google. There was no Google Google didn't exist. And that kind of blew her mind a little bit. I mean, she tried to Google the photos from great, great, great, great grandma. Oh, yeah, and it doesn't work. It doesn't, it doesn't work. But anyway, and then she was saying to me, because as we were walking up the street, she was saying, were people smarter back in the day? And I said, well, not necessarily smarter. It's just we had to remember different things. Yeah. Because we had to remember stuff. And you guys don't have to remember stuff because you can Google it. But the key difference is for you guys is you have to be able to tell what's truth and what's fiction. Yeah. You know, you're the bullshit, right? And that's what the older generations didn't have to do. Yeah. Because if you had it in a book, you knew it was true. Yeah. So you just believe what was in the book. But the thing, but the thing is, but also do you think that it like, I don't know, like,

30:54that's why like elderly people are more likely to fall for scams. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. Bullshit detector. Yeah. And what young kids have is that because they're in that, they're in that world, is they have to be able to tell what's real from what's fake. Yeah. Every day, like all the time. Yeah. Yeah. Is this a scam? Is this like, am I being a scam? And they are so attuned to it that they can do it. Our mum, you know, clappy and my mum, she can't deal with that because like, what's in the newspaper is true, right? Well, maybe not, but try and tell her that it's not true. And she's like, but it's in the paper. It has to be true. So it's a different, it's a different. But it's, yeah, is that technology or is that? People's, no, that's what they, what they need to do. So it's not that it's not the people before were smarter or people now have to be smarter. It's just a different skill set, different skill set that they need.

31:55Yeah. So anything is more empowering because before you had the elite just telling you the truth. Well, you read the books, right? Yeah. Whereas now you have, you have to make up your own mind in a way. Yeah, but you still have to be smart enough to be able to pick what the fake is. Yeah. Yes. But that, that you can, but that you can not necess, the information you can receive is from anyone. Yes. So you're not necessarily receiving information from the powerful people that control a printing press. Yes. And then you can base that or whatever information you like to determine what you think it is. Yeah, but you have to be smart enough though to tell the real stuff from the fake. Yeah. And that, and you have to know enough to know that you're not hang on. Hang on, hang on. Just back up a sec. What does media ownership concentration look like now as opposed to 20 years ago? Well, yeah, it's very different now because you have more concentrated. Yeah. I think, well, I think more, more, more, like it's more companies are like more giant companies.

32:55A big tech has a lot of power now. And stuff. Yeah. And, and you have a competition between like, legacy, legacy, legacy media. Can I just say something more like? Yeah. So very recently threads, so threads, so that's what our alternative became available on the meta owned. Yeah. And I downloaded it and it feels like what people and on Facebook experience where they got radicalized because I have just beginning rage bit rage bait content. Yeah, yeah, I suggested to me, or it's just like super right wing, like sexist, like threads or I don't know what you call it, not tweets, but like posts. And it's like they're trying to drive engagement because they're like, this is going to like trigger something in this user who is like clearly, you know, pretty lefty feminist, you know, anti racist and like they'll send me or they'll suggest these like really provocative tweets just threads, I guess, just just to like rile me up.

34:01And I feel like this is what radicalized a lot of people on Facebook. Yeah, the business model is broken in a way because it's just about engagement rather than quality of content or information or truth. It's just and the things that make you angry make you. I think I think that their business model did not change because like, you know, Facebook or meta was blamed a lot for, you know, people getting radicalized. That led to Trump being elected like, you know, Mark Zuckerberg is kind of blamed for that a bit because some of the most extreme content got the most engagement and was pushed further up and was like spread to more people. And they're doing that again with threads because I have never in my life liked a right wing tweet or threat or whatever. But I'm getting these like infuriatingly like just zero IQ threads that have like the worst opinions I've ever heard and just like, why would you send this to me?

35:05That's interesting because I'm like, I'm a huge Twitter user and like I'm a, you know, David will tell you I'm a Twitter addict. I'm the winner. But when you home coach will put it when it's posted on. Like I've been a big Twitter user for quite a few years and I kind of think like just as a user like I'm not a social media expert or anything like that, but just as a regular user. I understand how Twitter works, right? I understand what the space Karen has done since he bought it and I'm not happy about that. Whatever. But the whole threads thing is really interesting because I haven't used threads because and that was a deliberate decision on my part because I didn't want to give sucks. Any more of my data than he already has like I've been a Facebook user since 2007. But I've cut back on my Facebook usage a lot in the last like five years or so. And I've heard from other people that you both Twitter and threads that threads is a lot of like there's a lot of like brand stuff and it's a lot of.

36:13There's a lot of brands of ditch Twitter right so they want some. I mean maybe that's what happens. I don't know and it but it just from from all the people that I know on Twitter who have used threads. None of them have sold it to me like it's always sounded really lame. I think it's a more corporatized. Yeah I don't want to add more because you know LinkedIn is its own taste as well. And that's it that's an entirely I'm on LinkedIn for professional purposes and that's fine. But it's a different. They're all different universes. And they're all they all work in their own different ways. But the threads thing I haven't got clear in my I haven't used it. I'll be honest. But from what I've heard from other people like it's like I think all it is is a corporate friendly Twitter because Elon's fucked it up for companies. So they need somewhere to advertise in that kind of. I'm technically on threads and like it automatically followed all the Instagram accounts I'm following. So like you know brands or influencers or something and every once in a while it'll suggest again and absolutely like revolting tweet from.

37:22And thread from somebody that just like why would you. And I automatically just block the user just to get the algorithm. Get it into the algorithms head that I don't want to see this and like don't try to like bait me into interacting with this. So yeah don't. That's what was driving at earlier. Some I'm old. Is that not you know, it's a saying. You know, it's my vanishing. Is the truth or bullshit you know. I made a played sound in the. It came out before I. So when I was kid a million years going the 19th century. The in what we were taught in the UK was that the price of a newspaper cost about somewhere between 15 and 20% of the cost of producing that newspaper.

38:36So always and forever. Buying a newspaper was not under wrote the cost of applying journalists or. But back in the day. In analog days. Advertisers were prepared to pay much much higher premium. For getting their advertising was published. And then they are now. Digital media. Science really interesting. So the proportion. Of revenue that comes in through advertising as opposed to what's generated elsewhere through you know putting up a paywall or one of you. Has changed. And maybe that's really the thing that needs looking at. How did that happen? Why were. Advertisers. When we say advertisers back up a bit. Why were manufacturers retailers, wholesalers, financial institutions.

39:38Much more happy to pay money for analog advertising. Than they're prepared to pay now. Because I would assert that that's really what's changed the game. So fun. Because you used to have to, but it was also like regular punters. Would pay to have their birth notices in the paper or their death notices in the paper. I'm a margin. But also. Yeah, but also talking about real estate. I'm talking about, you know in the UK, I'm talking about Barclays Bank, Midland Bank, net West Bank. I'm talking about major financial institutions. I'm talking about. But it's also one so many places to spend your marketing budget. Or it's now there's like, it's linted into like 100 different. Because there's so many different. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So back in the day, you'd have this, you know, these institutions were prepared to put a share of money into the mainstream media advertising channels.

40:44Yeah. Now that's no longer what counts. And, and absurdly, it's, you know, like something like that, you'd think that their ability to just demand for the media to demand huge amounts of money from the advertisers. That would be a bad thing. But, but in fact, what are we left with? You know, if the media cannot generate the SIM kind of revenue base through its traditional sponsors that used to be able to, then does that actually benefit us or not? I'm not sure that it does. Because what we're saying now, I come to come out to what we were just discussing a few minutes ago, we're saying that people will put forward absolutely ridiculous, totally unsustainable positions. And demand their trade is seriously whereas I would, I would contend it 30 years ago. Sure.

41:44But I'm with your fuck idiot. Like, no, sorry, I just got to sit in the corner, put the big D hat on and don't talk to us for another break. And it was published as a thing to everyone. So it's one document, one newspaper to everyone. Exactly. Whereas now you have all this tailored stuff. So you can have as much wacky content. Your news and your news and your news and my news and my news. But you had to create one thing that was publishable that everyone kind of accept as truth and keep buying. Whereas here it can be like tailored to everyone so you can have whatever extremist content. Right. Exactly. And so you can just have a lot more bullshit to know. Because people don't know that it's happening precisely. So how do we get back to some kind of objective baseline for what fourth estate is supposed to be about? But then at the same time you have something like Wikipedia. No one's really questioning Wikipedia as an institution that. Yeah. But people will accept some level of base truth. I mean, the fact that Elon Musk is beefing or very briefly beefed with Wikipedia.

42:48Kind of gave it. And Jim is some more proud of the intimacy. Yeah. Well, he said like he would donate like a million dollars or a billion dollars if they changed their name to dickipedia. Really? Yeah. Yeah, he said that. Oh man, he's like a teenage age. He's not a teenage age. He's so lame though. Like everyone held him up as a genius. Yeah. And he's just like, he's not a funny man. Like he's. It's just a gifted teenager kind of. No, in Harrison, Martin. Yeah. That was it. Yeah, what's he done? What's he ever actually done? But all these businesses and stuff, you know. Yeah, but he's been the main entrepreneur. But now, but now, hang on though. Entrepreneur. Was it really like Tesla that he basically bought that from somebody? The SpaceX thing I don't know the progeny of, but certainly Tesla was nothing to do with it. SpaceX was before Tesla. So, you know what, that you got. SpaceX was kind of the first one after PayPal.

43:49Like he's always piggybacked. Like, but his face has always been his dream. So that was. Yeah. Why he started SpaceX and. The question you got to ask is like, would all of these things have happened without him? So that's. There would have been another him. Yeah. There would. There's always going to be. It is not unique. Right. That's the thing. Now, if you look at the. Those people. Right. It's probably true throughout history as well. But like, you know, what if you would. Well, let me let me flip that around. What is Elon Musk's defining? Oh my God. What a fucking genius characteristic. I think it's persistence. Because the SpaceX, like the last time was really if they lost it, then they. Everything was gone and all the money that it built up over many years. Audacity. Yeah. Audacity. Yeah. Audacity. Shamelessness. Yeah. Yeah. The confidence, the overconfidence of a mediocre white man.

44:50Yes. And I think that that's a superpower. And I think narcissism. Frost. Yeah. I think that's what that is. All right. Very quick. Some final very quick bullshit or not. So toilet bowl water going back the other way. So the water swirling in the opposite direction. In Australia. It's true. It's true. It's true. It has been challenged many times, but the underlying principle true. It's true. It's true. It's true. But Australian toilets are different from American toilets. Mm-hmm. And I can't remember what German toilets are like. Well, we have the shelf in the station. Yeah. Because you do have to analyze your food. Because they want to know what's happening. I don't know. I want to bring out the magnifying glass. The flashlights in the magnifying glass. I want to see an electron microscope. Yeah. I want to look at this. Oh, yes. The water does.

45:50It does go around the other way. It does. That's fascinating. Is that? That's the way it is. Is that? It's a planet thing. No way. Is that really strong way? It is. It's a sea. What's the meaning? It's a spinnithyl. No, some people that probably more qualified than I am. Yes. Well, try and take your off on a tangent and tell you it's not a thing. But it's fucking a thing. It's just a thing. It's a thing. It's true. It's never done. It's true. It never done. And is the rural areas or is the country full of psycho killers? No. Yeah, no. The right ones. Only our next-door neighbors and other people are trying to grab real estate from us. No. The only psycho killers in this country are what? The real estate industry. Yeah. And what else is trying to fuck us up? I don't know. That's it. Yeah, it's really real estate. It's all about property. Yeah. Yeah. So just to come back nicely to where we started. Fun website. No.

46:50Man. No. I mean, Would you hitchhike in Australia? I'm too old. I don't. Would you allow Rory and Amy to hitchhike in Australia? No. No. No. No. It's just no. I would allow my son to hitchhike, I think. Okay. Well, he's a black belt. Junior black belt in karate. So, you know. But I don't think he'd want to. No. No. No. No. All right. Interesting. Well, I think we've said all the bullshit. Shiza, Ordeni. You can call it. Ordeni. You can call it Shiza. Oh, yeah. Thank you for that. Yeah. No. I feel like I understand. And then we'll come back in a moment and we'll talk about Jenny's invention. Or X Club. So, stay tuned. Stay tuned for that. You have a nice evening.

48:01I get out. I run a punt. Cause my red shoe at the end of the map. Get it hungry for banging a thing. So, I'm increasing. Privileged me. All I want. And all I need. All I claim is a good puppy. All I want. And all I need. All I claim is a good puppy. All chips. Tomato sauce. I can't get enough. I'm begging for more. Cause I came here at a quarter to six. And I ain't gonna leave too. I get my fix. All I want. And all I need. All I need. All I need. All I need. All I need. All I need. All I need.

49:01All I need. All I claim is a good puppy. All I want. And all I need. All I claim is a good puppy. Chicken snacking. Ruffin, mama janna. Ruffin, rough side. Ruffin, medium, well. Ruffin, all I want. And all I need. All I claim is a good puppy. All I want. And all I need. All I claim is a good puppy. All I claim is a good puppy. Oh, I cried as a good half-fade.

50:26Or something like that. Or something like that. Or something like that. Or something like that. Or something like that. Or something like that. I see you like that. Come on, forever. You are the only one I'll never be. I've got it. I know I'll get it. This song is where I'll be free. You should try, you used to be some type of it. And I'll just get like you tell me that I'll get through it. Or something like that. Or something like that.

51:28Or something like that. Or something like that. I see you later. I've got it. You are the only one I'll never be. I've got it. Cause I cry overώ here. Or something like that. Or something like that. Or something like that. Or something like that. Or something like that. Or something like that. Or something like that. Then you can just get back at it.

52:46See you later, come forever, you're all I know, but I'll never be, I'm got it But by the wicked, it's a somewhere, it's time to fall But all I know is, it's time to, or so soon I'll fail Alright, welcome back to Ichbin & Hamburger on FSK and only 3.0 Special Australia down under covered in spiders edition I've killed, there's last songs I've killed about seven spiders But we're still going fine, there's one on my leg but it'll be alright

53:46So back here, a clapy with Susan, a special guest, Jenny and David Joining us, Belmaine in Sydney So now we have a special down under fake news with Susan So for our guest, so the fake news and concept is, there's a lot of Susan We'll say some news stories and all of us basically just have to guess if it's fake or not Okay, alright, yeah, so I'm going to read it out and then you just one by one Tell me if you think it's real or fake Alright, first one, grandparents mistakenly buy $10,000 worth of Disney plus gift cards Instead of Disney parks for family trip So they tried to buy a Disney vacation and they bought $10,000 worth of Disney plus Like the streaming gift cards, you think that's real or fake Is that a very American centric question? Is there a Dunk kid? Oh, I mean, don't care, yeah, I mean, you know, if you don't care then, yeah

54:50It was a nice real or fake story I think it could be true Okay, I'm going to say it's true It's true, it's true, it happened It's just a picture that the stack of gift cards was like, you know, 10 centimeters high It was $10,000, I don't know how they made that mistake Okay, couple calls police after finding human remains in jars in their basement Investigation found that they contained preserved vegetables Where did this happen? I can't remember, I didn't, I didn't actually link it That has to be true No, I think that's fake Fake, fake It's fake, it's fake, it's fake I made that up Okay, this is a short one Body lotion accused of attracting giant spiders Draw, draw, you know this is female That's true Damn it, I have a 12 year old daughter Who is obsessed with this stuff

55:51And did it actually attract spiders? No, because it got a one star review from someone who was a spider lover Who wanted it to attract spiders And got it as a Christmas present Just to attract spiders and eat it Wow, so it's a myth No, from it tell me that, yes Rory is also joining the show Rory is joining the show in a fact check Oh yes Yeah, okay, just a few more That's funny Okay, English man banned from cycling caught riding to probation meeting on a bike True Say true Maybe true? It is true Yeah, yeah I guess I'm trying to trick you but also yeah, I realize Chat, GBT, Source Kombucha recipe leads to three people falling ill with food poisoning Sorry, right now again Chat, GBT, Source Kombucha recipe leads to three people falling ill with food poisoning

56:54Your kombucha is right here So, Rory is a big kombucha driver It's really sad if it's true Would you follow a recipe for kombucha from Chat Cheapy Tea? From Chat Cheapy Tea? Yeah I have Followed I mean, not kombucha, but I don't know the other thing I've seen John the Serab Susan, we've got a whole bunch of new questions How naive were you as a child? I mean, it was for an avocado face mask I did not die from that, I mean, you know I was just like avocado and yogurt I put it on my face, it didn't do much, but you know, anyways You remember to take it off before you went to the side I'll go ahead and say Okay Is it true? No True False False, I mean, false Alright, last one I think is a softball New study finds dog ownership produces risk of

57:54Dimension by 40% in the elderly cats make no difference I have to be true I'm breaking the sprupp up nature Yeah Cats are not a big deal Cats are just like, yeah, unreleased child I have bunnies or assholes Yeah, I believe that They had to go with the bunnies today Bunnies were fine They're a little bit of assholes this morning But yeah, bunnies or assholes generally Yeah, they're okay I was a bit older than Imogen But I was once asked to look after my parents bunny For a week, while they were overseas And the very first day that I tried to feed it bit me So I suffice it to say I assured it didn't dehydrate When my parents got back it was about a kilo lighter than I was And I have no guilt about that

58:57I'm provoked Psychobunnies Never let's say bunny It's bunny's always Anyway, bunnies Alright, so we're gonna take another quick break And then we come back And talk about the cool new fad on the internet Which is x club No, crazy We're vexing There comes a time within your life What you will do Absolutely anything that matters to you But the car, the scan, the dollar, where those groups You get a lot of bacteria, why they want you

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