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0:00motion. And it's the same with Japan, right? So it's also very prone to natural disasters to some experience. Yes. Yes. The thing that I've been talking a lot with Icelandic friends about, like, you know, a thing that Danish people are not used to live with the nature as a factor of anything, but, you know, it might be beauty or it's nature, you know, something you look at paintings. Yeah, exactly. It isn't something that, you know, directly affects your opportunities. Right. And most than it's like a rainy day that makes you moody. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like today. Yeah, we're just heavy, but, you know, I think it does affect people in another way that, you know, you have to respect nature in a more serious way than, you know, the winds of depression or, you know,

1:05you're vulnerable. Yeah, exactly. With earthquakes or hurricanes. Disasters from disasters. No, definitely. But I think so, one of my earliest memories of the Philippines, because when I was younger, then we went there for, like, every two years, up until I was, I don't know, 12 or something. And the first time I went there is like the sheer humidity that, you know, like, really drag, like, like, takes you over. You're not used to that. And then also it's a big contrast of a very high density polluted city, like, very built on top of each other. And then you get out of the city and it just feels, and it's just very, there's also like a lot of parts that are completely untouched. I remember like going to, you know, to beaches where there was no one. Wonderful untouched beaches, because, you know, it's only for locals kind of. And maybe that, you know, constructed a false idea of

2:11of how beaches needed to look like when I was younger. Oh, this is very nice. I like the ocean. And then you go, you know, to a very popular area. Like, oh, yeah, this is not the same. But it's very contrastful. And then, like, thankfully, I never experienced any, you know, natural disaster. But of course, you know, you hear stories, even like, our house there, got flooded and all that. And that's very, that's, that's very humbling as well. Yeah, that's a good word. I also, yeah. You know, I remember when every summer, I went to school in Japan and, and all the chairs had cushions. Right. Yeah. Strap. No, no, no. So, so if the, if the came of earthquake, you could take the cushion and take it over your head. Oh, yeah. And we had these, these small courses where, you know, if an earthquake happens, we have to do this and that goes to that place

3:13in the court field and court yard. And, you know, it's just something that is in your mind, you know, in one way or another. Exactly. And then we don't have here. No, we're really in general. To be spared of that. Yeah. Yeah. Because I've also brought this globe so that it would be like easier to talk about a place that probably, very few of our listeners has been to because when you kind of, when I imagine Philippine, I can, I thought it was like, educator. And then you see, it's, it's a little bit north of, it's kind of the same as the south end of India. Yeah. And it's southern neighbours. It's Indonesia. And to the north we have China and Taiwan. Yeah. Yeah. Indeed.

4:17And then, yeah, the capital is called Manila. And, yeah, because you brought like this, this person, that, that, we asked you if there was like one story you wanted to bring into our podcast. And then you mentioned this artist, tour guide and political activist called Carlos Siltran. Yes. Which he was born in 1972. And then he died two years ago, 2019. And he lived for most of his life in Manila. And as far as I understood, he died in Madrid. Yes. In prison. For, yeah, some of his activism, he was sent into prison.

5:25He was born in Philippine, Makati. Which is, is it close to Manila or is it inside the region of Manila? Okay. And then he was doing a lot of tour guides in an area called Intramurus. Yes. Which was the historical walled city that was the first place, Spanish. They built in Manila. And, yeah, they raised this church, San Agustín. Where Carlos Siltran was doing this performance? 10 years, 10, 15 years ago. And as far as I understood, he was also brought to jail for that performance. Yes. Exactly. Okay. What is your connection to Carlos Siltran? Carlos Siltran, I think. So he was like a larger than life character. You met him. You couldn't

6:34really miss him. He was because you met him. Yeah. He went also to Denmark. So he's actually one of the artists that we brought for Pinoes in 2050. And then we had an edition in Manila where we brought Scandinavian, so Danish, Swedish, Norwegian dancers and performers to Manila. We can take into that. But Carlos was our kind of fixer. He knew everyone. So he could help us. He hosted us. He showed us around and arranged a lot of things for us. So he was really kind of patron of alternative arts in Manila. He really believed in the power of everyday arts, including himself. But so that's a funny thing with Carlos. He could act as very know-it-all. He was a fairly short guy. Very lively. He's bold. He could be a moustache. So very, very caricatural to some extent.

7:42But he was just very loving. You met him. And if he liked you, which he liked everyone, then you're his friend. And that's great. And he was a well of knowledge. He knew a lot of things about the Philippines. And I think that's also something that he wanted to learn about himself. I only spoke to him in English, even though I know that he could speak Tagalog and I can do some extent. Tagalog was just the... With the language of the... The official language of the Philippines. But we always spoke in English. And I always heard him speak English. So he was very international. He was an artist. And he lived in New York. He lived in New York. He also had acting a studio. He also did some performances there. He had a play, a small play in Broadway, to some extent. So he was really trying to do a lot of things. So we met him. He was in his late forties. And he was extremely active. And he went around here in Copenhagen. He really liked it.

8:48And he helped us really getting the sense of what animates Filipinos in there. I think he was thinking of himself more as an international character. But very anchored around Filipinos. And because specifically Manila. Yeah, that was what we send us. CNN, 20 minutes introduction to his work during the Manila Biennale in 2018. They made this interview with him. And he ins this interview by saying, I'm a lucky man who finds luck, love, and purpose living here in Manila. And then just knowing the next year he's in Madrid. That was kind of hard. Yeah. That's a hard life. Also like the end of his, he just seemed so joyful during those interviews. And

9:48he was also very good at not letting anything getting through kind of. So he wanted to always focus on the right things. But he was very politically engaged. Hence, getting in the way of the established Catholicism and the church. And also the new president Rodrigo Duterte, which was a very vocal dissident. And that eventually drove him to Madrid. But he won the election in 2016. Yes. So Rodrigo Duterte is kind of named before, it's time like the Asian Donald Trump. He's a populist. He was a mayor of the third city in in the Philippines called Davao, which was then crippled by drug dealing. It was a platform for for drug dealers. It was run by Sugs and all that. So the way that he was doing it, his, he wants to

10:54pride himself into action man, right? Somebody who's not being intimidated. So what he did is he hired mercenaries to kill drug dealers and make Davao a clean city, which he managed to do. But he also like, he's a known sexist, machist, promoting over masculinity. And on those terms, you know, kind of the same way that Donald Trump is getting elected, that Bolsonaro is, you know, always being also like getting a big chunk of population around him, is that they're promoting this image of violence sometimes is good and necessary in, you know, when the evil is coming to you. So he got elected in 2016 and the tactic that he, he used in as being a mayor, he used it on a full scale in the whole country. So there were these

11:58extra judicial or judiciary, killings where he basically authorized people to kill anyone who was suspected of dealing with anything, any type of drugs, either dealing or even suspected of consuming and without any, you know, any, anyone being brought to court. So there were horrific stories, you know, like people driving by an scooter, shooting people just on a assumption. Or it was also a good way for, you know, some people to just eliminate opponents or people they don't like to some extent. So that was very tough to, to, to, to, to read about, of course, you know, like from here, but to get back to Carlos, we went there. So those killings were happening as we, you know, we were there and Duterte was already elected. So, so Carlos Celrán was also like

13:00very avid, yeah, dissident of Rodrigo Duterte. On social media, a lot, and also like vocally, he would give interviews, he would do, he would help artists that were, you know, against the government, which is a very difficult position to sustain when you live in Manila and when these killings are happening. Which so he was getting threats, he was getting, you know, like any type of hacking. Yeah, exactly. So harassment. Exactly. And also like eventually like we was threatened to be thrown in jail. And for longer time this time. So he had to move to Madrid because he had a Spanish passport as well. But unfortunately, I think his, that whole harassment and, you know, like really being on the forefront to go toll on his health. So unfortunately he died in Madrid two years ago.

14:02Yes. But still, still then, you know, like in any interviews that you could see, he would never show that he was affected or anything. You know, for him, it was positivity, but in a way that it's a fight to be positive about things. Yeah. And I think that defines a lot of Filipinos. I think one of the thing about Filipinos is that they will power through, you know. Yes. I think I see who you want me to be. I think I see who you want me to be. I think you want me to be. I think you want me have great big plans. A big idea and a concrete stance. You want to come up and shake on my hand. You want to make me make me a man. Make me a man. Make me a man. Make me a man.

15:07You want to have a great big plan. You see how I had a great big stance. You want to make me a man. Make me a man. Make me a man. Make me a man. Make me a man. Make me a man. Make me a man.

16:12Make me a man. I think so. I just want to hear more. Yeah. I want to hear more. Yeah. And more vocals. Sure. All right. Just a quick one minute of the song. Just to hear how these changes hurt. Yeah. Maybe just making me a man.

17:12Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Baby, I'm there, I'm there, I'm there, I'm there, I'm there, I'm there, I'm there, I'm there, I'm out of the air, shitting my head

18:26Oh? That's just a... Baby, I'm there! Oh? Oh? Oh, that's absurd Maybe I'm there, I'm there, I'm there, I'm there We got papers from... Fine, but what doesabel express on torsion and neddle wrist coordination? It'll be my birthday! He says he has her head up, above the tree and she's looking around next to her, So you were hoping that...... Well for the moment, I feel different than I expected! I mean, I think I'd rather not do, have a business meeting with you later in the weekend, Thank you.

20:54to the U.S. and here in Denmark to be a pair. So I think it's not necessarily only a pair, but it's also like, in the Philippines, not being able to create enough opportunities to, you know, to make a nice move. Exactly, to have a decent life out there. And it's not because there's no talent or no, you know, like a richness out there, it's that the divide is much higher. So here, you know, being an au pair is much better than being a nurse in the Philippines, you know, an educated nurse, for example. You will earn much more, you know, by taking care of somebody else's family and leaving your own in the Philippines, then, then, you know, working full time or working, you know, back-to-back jobs in the Philippines. And that's, I guess, the problem. And, I don't know, that's, I think, ultimately people are happy, but I also don't believe that people would say if they weren't happy, you know,

21:57you'll just power through. Mm. Mm. No, we were just, we were just talking about... Yeah, what do you think? What do you think? We just talked about, you know. Welcome to the second half. Yeah, yeah. I've been my coot. We just talked about Manila being overwhelming, like... volume wise and the amount of property, like just impressions. Impressions. It's also that the whole, I think it's something that we don't get as much in Europe anymore. Like when you travel in a lot of cities in Western Europe, it's all very similar. A big city is a big city, a big avenue is a big avenue. You'll find your way in. In Manila, it was just so completely overwhelming for me, even though I went there, you know,

22:59when I was younger and a kid, but always with my parents and all. But as an adult, we went there in 2018, no, 16 or 17. And also we stayed at Carlos' children's house. And but you said inside in Tramurus. No, that was not in Tramurus because it's a historical, yeah, in Makati. So we were in like a big tower, you know, where there were guards at the entrance. So and he was living also like he had another apartment where there's also a guard, you know, so it was it's very it's very weird because when you go to Manila, it's just a sheer amount of people and the density and then the warmth that comes on top. It's noisy everywhere. There's people around you all the time. So that's that's in itself very very overwhelming. And then you'll have the very contrasty experience in the city. So you know, you'll be in the in an area very, you know, very nice, very exotic, you know, with palm trees in the middle of the street and

24:06nice houses. Next turn, you know, there'll be a bunch of people sleeping in the street. Kids sleeping in the street begging. You know, like restaurants, you know, that are fully like, you know, having a party and the next next door is like an old grandma trying to sell, you know, like dehydrated milk or something. So it's a it's just very, very hard to, you know, get all these experience and knowing how to feel about it. And also because there's Manila, I don't know how many, but I think it's like 10 to 20 million people. And then there are going to be pockets of extreme poverty, right? So like people living in garbage kind of neighborhood, right? And living there and, you know, building houses and out of nothing, right? So like some kind of hot rod medals and and and and wood that they can take scraped from from the trash. And that's where they live.

25:07You know, no water, no electricity. And then yeah, so when you see that and you smell it, you know, you hear it. It's it's hard. It's very hard. But at the same time, you know, it's a very old beautiful city. The whole Entramurus part, you know, with old walls from the from the the Catholic church and the old houses. And you know, very touristy somehow. There's big parks. So it's a very hard thing to take in, to be honest, to be in Manila. And as I was saying earlier, it's like, I don't know how color-celled and loved Manila so much because I spent 10 days there and I just wanted to come home at the end. Because there was just so much. But yeah, maybe give me six months more and fall in love with it. Yeah, maybe you have already been maybe already told me.

26:08But your family is from where? Yeah, so there are two, so it's the main island. But there are two hours away from Manila. For Manila, okay. So they're not living in Manila itself. But it's not too far, right? Okay, okay. So they're still in the same kind of region. Yeah, okay, okay. So yeah, that's where I go when I'm there. And that's where also a large chunk of my family is still. Yeah, yeah, yeah. My mom is like, kid, she's the second oldest of family of eight or nine. And my dad has four other siblings. And all of them have at least three kids. And there's numbers of babies that I don't know the names because they're so many. So it's like all these big chunk of the family that I know I'm related to, but I don't know. And that I can see only like, you know, every five years or something. Yeah. So that's also a weird feeling.

27:08But is there also a part of your heart that, you know, feels like, feels like home when you're in? I think there's a lot of it. Yeah, of course. I think there's the whole also like, this unspoken part of your identity that's being spoken to, you know, it's all of a sudden, you know, like, I'm not, I still feel, you know, like, I've been, I grew up in France. I'm living for 10 years in Denmark. It's a very westernized polite world. But I still have this feeling of being an outlier, even though it shouldn't be. But, you know, I'm outlier. Yeah, you know, I still feel I know, like I remember when I was, you know, 20, I started going to concerts in Paris. I've, you know, I mean, I was into rock music. Still am. But remember being the first, you know, the first time going there in a concert hall, I'm the only non-white guy there. Yeah. I grew up there, right?

28:09That was my city. And still now today, I'm still feeling like, okay, this is, I still feel odd. But in the Philippines, everybody looks like me. I understand, I still understand everybody who talks, you know, so even though I even lived here, lived there for, like, ever. But I still feel that they spoke, you know, we can relate. You know, we look at each other, it's like, right, you're my kind. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I don't know why. No, no, yeah, it makes so much sense that, you know, it just matters how you look, you know, and, you know, it's just to stand out in a crowd. That's just, that's another way you are in the room, you know. No, for sure. But I don't know. So this way, like, Manila, it's very, very overwhelming. And it's like, I feel like it's not me, but it's not too far, right?

29:11It's still something that I understand to some level, like how people are and what's the vibe of the place. There are also very wonderful places, you know, like very alternative bars, alternative, you know, like galleries, you know, like, that's not, that doesn't look anything like galleries that you will see here, you know, very, very blank, white, clean. There, it's like, everything is living, you know, like the location is living and breathing. It's just very different, but also like very accelerating. So you're experiencing something completely different that you still understand. And that's the part of Manila that, okay, that sounds great. Should we talk some more about Carlos Celter and his connection to Pinois? What is... Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, Carlos Celter and so he came here in 2015, I think we show the bunch of his

30:16art pieces also because he was a painter. He made some, some caligraphic work and, you know, poster political posters and all. And he also made some talks about actually Manila and especially also like Marcos and Emelda Marcos. He, so the wife of the dictator. So there's a documentary, I think that was shown in Copenhagen pics and that was shown in the air also called The Kingmaker. So really the story of the Philippines through the eyes of Emelda Marcos. So he was very fascinated about her because of course Marcos was the dictator, but she was the one pulling the strings, you know, in the back. So she was a very polarizing character and he made like a show, a talk, you know, a performance out of it telling the story of the woman who, you know, did the most

31:17and the worst for the Philippines. Is that the tour called Living La Vida? Emelda tour? Yeah, exactly. So we show up, you know, in high heels and, you know, like, because she's known to... That was his guided tour? No, there was another performance. Okay, he did. His talks about Emelda and how to live your life like her. Yeah, like a very absurd way. Yeah, you know, he would show up in high heels because she's known to have owned like... She's still alive? Yes. Okay. Yes, she's still living and his son is... His son is getting a lick, maybe. Yeah, he's a candidate for presidency and that's the thing with crazy things, you know, like the son of a dictator might be the next president. And then she can pull the strings again. Exactly. Yes, so frightening. It is very frightening. So watch the Kingmaker. I don't know where it was, but it was on the air and it's very explaining how Philippines is also like very cyclically ill, you know, it will forget.

32:23Now, as a population, you know, I think this is the whole power ring through, you know, it will be good. Okay, so, you know, we forget about the bad things and we give everybody a chance. Including, you know, the one who wronged us in the past. That's very... I think that's very Christian. That is Christian. But yeah, so he made that Carlos Silveren, made that performance here in Cinematical. We had also like a big like performance, two-night performance in which used to be dancer Helena in in Calzberg, region. So that was... Yeah, he was very ill that night and he still power through. He sang the Filipino anthem and then I had to take a cab and drive him to his hotel because he was so sick. But then, yeah, I think we... he just, I think, we connected very like us at Pinoys. So, you know, like we were 20 years younger than him, most of us. So I think he really shabroned us

33:29into like kind of also understanding what is the Filipino route that we're looking for. And one thing I think that really started to define me then that I've didn't really understand. So I've personally, I've always struggled with trying to find out what part of me is Filipino and what should I kind of keep fight against or whatever that is. What defines me as a Filipino. So I already was on my journey to find out, you know, like by working with this collective, you know, learning more about the Philippines and all that. But I always felt guilty to try to promote the Philippines when I've never lived there. When I have second hand culture kind of. And once, you know, we were in the city with Carlos and I told him that, like I feel like an imposter, you know, trying to promote something that I only know partially. And he was like, dude,

34:30shut the fuck up. You know, you're as Filipino as I am. All of us are Filipinos. You know, if you feel that connection, then you already are. You don't have to fight against it. You know, your French, your Filipino, you might be Danish at some point. And you know, that's going to be it. That's it's not for everyone to define who you are. So if you're already on your journey to do that, great, do it. Yeah, yeah, it's beautiful. Yeah. But it didn't really hit me before that. Yeah, I was always struggling when I was growing up in France. I was trying to be the most French person, you know, and pushing back my Filipino rules. And then when I was here, then you know, I think I also realized when I worked at the French Embassy, I was promoting French culture. You know, I was part of the people who were kind of defined French culture here. And then Mark, I was like, okay, I don't have to prove anything to anyone anymore about the French part. Oh, what about the part that I pushed my whole life? Yeah, yeah. So that's what, you know, stemmed, I think, my, my journey to try to find out that part of myself. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

35:34So I think also like finding that voice in Carlos, you know, like really driving us into. Yeah, it's all that. I really get that. But the thing you are afraid of, you know, is probably the voices from the Philippine people, isn't it? Yeah, exactly. I really understand that getting his position Mark stem acceptance was like, yeah, yeah, really. It really helped. It really relieved like a lot of us as well. I don't know if you understand that. Yeah, I don't know. To other, you know, like from the Pinot is a group, you know, I mean, they all had the same, right? We almost feel like maybe it shouldn't be us. But if not us, who? Especially also like when, you know, there was all these duterte and still is and, you know, like this whole killing stuff, then you're like, who is supposed to be talking about that? But yeah, so he has been a great shining light for us. And also then we had in 2000, and if you can redact this, I don't remember

36:43where. But I don't know. I think it was 2016, right? Yeah, after. Yeah. Yes. But then we went to Manila. So we got a grant from what is sadly disappeared. It's called Siko U, it's the center for cultural or woodwikling that closed down. So that was helping really Denmark to connect with other countries in the world. So it would help initiatives from Scandinavia to export artists. So what we did is that we had a troop of performers from Denmark, Sweden, Norway and some Finland. So I think there were 12 performers. That we all flew to Manila. And we, what we planned, that we actually kind of got the authorization

37:47to perform in an old theater that was closed down since for 30, 40 years. It was abandoned, basically. And it was under renovation, but it was not nearly open, you know, to the public. I think it just got opened last year. So by then it was really decrepit. It was, there was no electricity, no running water. It was just like, you know, the foundation was being rebuilt kind of. But we got the authorization, you know, to do that because it was part of the reestablishment of that place. And we performed there like a more like an immersive kind of performance with the troops. So you would go into the theater and then you'd know the dance performance around around the audience, inside the audience. Yeah. So the audience was guided in the theater. That was, we installed lights all ourselves, we cleaned up everything ourselves.

38:50We, you know, we bought a lot of things. We hired also like a Danish engineer to come with us, you know, to install everything. Of course, we needed generators, we needed a bunch of things, yet probably wouldn't pass the health inspection here in Denmark, but hey, in the Philippines, it's a bit more. But it was, it was very good. And we made it free. We performed for, for two nights in a row. And it was sold out both nights. Sold out like the tickets were taken. But yeah, and people were just, we didn't want to make, you know, an event only for the elite there that could only afford paying. Right. So we, we, we had it open for everyone. And it was a big success. We had a lot of good critique, but also just people who are not necessarily seeing arts, you know, under everyday life. So we really wanted to have those people in. Yeah. And so people had a good reactions.

40:00Yeah. And I think they were just very not used to this type of, of performances. Like the immersive performances, a lot of performances. I think the Philippines is also a little very demonstrative. When there, where, you know, the Scandinavian way is more, like showing and not telling. But that was fun to go with a, with a troop of white Scandinavians in Manila. Experience in the. Very green. In the whole, you know, like, like, we had our, our, our engineer, Danish engineer who, you know, would drink as if it was, you know, like a night in the in Copenhagen. You don't know where you are. You experience any problematic stuff or challenges. I think the, the, the most common thing was food poisoning. A lot. Okay. Because like, for example, you couldn't drink

41:03water from the tap. No. And that's something, you know, like, oh, you brush your teeth and you know, drink the water. Yeah. So one of our performers was sick for like three days in a row. They were trying street food. Like, maybe that's not a good idea. Yeah. Okay. We were in a basement of that theater that we needed to clean. It was very humid. And so when we came out there, like, all our, like, legs and were bitten by mosquitoes that we couldn't see. So there was a lot of, of very green experience. And we're like, you know, like a troop of, of a very European looking people going in the street of Manila. And I still remember, like, going, you know, in one of these streets and then you turn and then there were kids sleeping in the street. And that was, I think, a very big reality shock for some, right? Because then we're, they never saw that. And for me, neither to be honest, so, wow. Okay. So we're not home here. At the same time, you know, it was also like a lot of

42:06very great conversations that we had with, you know, some cultural actors. We met with the Danish embassy. We had a very posh dinner in a private residence at the Danish ambassador's house. Too posh to my taste, but that's, you know, something else. But, you know, there were, so I think that there were a lot of great discussions that we managed to have. But also, I think we, for myself, I was really, you know, de Tertig just got elected. You know, these killings were happening. So I was, I was actually just asking people without taking sides, you know, like, hey, what do you think about de Tertig? And I had, you know, very patient answers from both sides. Yeah. And, you know, I was also very aware of not being home. So, you know, like, maybe don't be too critical in this Uber. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it was just very being very honest and almost blue about it. Like, what do you think about this? Yeah. But I was very, and some people, you know,

43:10like, hey, we're just, we're poor here. We need someone to shake things up. He might be the one. Five years later, it turns out that he's not, but, you know, it's, it's the way of seeing things. But yeah, so Carlos there, so he hosted us. He was showing us around. We saw one of his famous tour, you know, like, going around, explaining the story of Intramuros, how the Spanish con a Quista Dora went there and then abandoned, and then the American took over. And then also just was a, and you could see how passionate he was about, about Manila, and how also everybody knew him. That was, that was really amazing to see. And we're like, oh, I'm not a tour person, but this one I picked. That was very nice.

44:14Wonderful. I think that, yeah, that might be a good ending for this interview. Yes. We have talked about so much. Yeah. It feels like we talked like three minutes, but we talked for like more than three minutes. So, we're about in the hours. So, yeah. But thank you so much for, you know, something else. All these things. And yeah, I think we need to talk sometime again. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But also, like, here, we haven't, you know, we, Pino has been also like a bit quiet during like the whole corona thing. So now we also need to do things again. Yeah. So, so maybe it's good to just ask when is the next Pino event? Yeah, follow us, you know, like, and then we'll find out. But yeah, we'll, we'll, you have Instagram and Facebook. Yeah, we are on Instagram and Facebook. And yeah, we're regularly, you know, like trying to promote like things that we're seeing from Filipinos all over the world. Do you have like a stage or some

45:16place you usually host events at? Well, we're trying to do it in Denmark most of the time, but we're seeing if we can actually do that. Otherwise, we're thinking of Manila again. Yes. But we'd really love to do it again here in Denmark in cinema. Yeah, we had the film film showings that's in the material in the granteodle when they used to be dancer Helena. But yeah, I think right now it's about how do we get talented Filipino artists, you know, overseas. Yeah, because we still have corona. Exactly. That's the main challenge right now. But, you know, hopefully we can do that soon and you like get all these Filipino artists showing what they can do. There's so many, so many of them. I think, you know, hard, difficult environment helps people actually be creative. That is the Filipino

46:17do. Yeah. And then the Filipino film festival. Yeah, so that's part of Pino is as well. So, I mean, now right now I didn't check like the Copenhagen pics program, but there's always a bunch of, you know, like good choices. If not Filipino, at least South Asian. Fortunately, that's the only, you know, outlet here in Denmark that we have for non-traditional movies at least. This pics now or a scenic pics. Okay. So it's probably 14. It's going to be like the weeks before. Yeah, when this is released. People have been at scenic pics. Yeah. Hope you enjoyed Copenhagen pics. Yeah. So the nice Philippine movie. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Oh, yeah. But I'm just so curious. I just want to see Philippine movie. I have to check out the program for CPH pics. Yeah. Sure. And then, but I'm also curious when, yeah, when you have

47:21the next film festival. Yeah. Go follow. Yeah. Pino is first of all on Instagram. Yes. I will be one to follow. Yeah. And good to hear. And I think we're going to speak again next year. For sure. And how when we know some more and maybe you have an event coming up, we could make some noise for that. Definitely. But great initiative. I think it's great to that you can invite me and also all the wonderful people that you've been talking to. Looking forward to see who else you have on the track. That's going to be nice. Yeah. Me too. Yeah. Thanks. So thanks for the snack. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you for the e-little mail to this house.net. That's great. There you can easily get a house.net. So, um, we'll talk next week. And follow. And subscribe. Bye.

48:34Yeah.