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World War 3 and what to do about it | Jerm Warfare
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Jerm and Claudio chatted about how people think, often without much independent thought. They touched on how travelling can really highlight the differences in how happy societies are.
The discussion also covered Claudio’s latest documentary called 'World War III', which looks at historical patterns of conflict. They explored the idea that decentralisation is crucial for individual freedom and better governance, while also noting that democracy can sometimes lead to the majority dictating to
everyone else.
Money was another big topic, with gold and silver being seen as the ultimate forms, and questions raised about Bitcoin's place in the financial system. Claudio shared his views, stressing the importance of strong individuals and independent thinking, especially as cultural influences shape our behaviour and governance, leading towards a future that could bring significant societal changes and challenges.
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It's been a long time since we lost Chad, isn't it? Yeah, I think what? Two years, maybe three? It can't be that long. Maybe two years for sure, I would say. And as much as things change, they stay the same. Absolutely. The trend is clear, we're just moving in the same direction, terrible. Do you think most people are dumb? No, I don't think so. I think they're all gifted with reason. The problem is that they don't use it independently of another person's guidance. They receive all those information, and they don't think about what it actually means, or what it could mean for their future and so on. So they're just driven by those news.
But I mean, Claudio, I thought that there were a lot of smart people doing the COVID era. I thought, we are going into a new paradigm. And now it's as though it never happened. I wouldn't say so. Of course, I'm in the physical goal business. Unfortunately, I can't deal with people who share the same values, the principles of liberty, non-aggression principles, humble entrepreneurs. All of them are entrepreneurs. There's not even one manager among those clients, which is quite interesting. But yeah, I think they see the same as we do. I mean, everyone is preparing. People are buying gold. As you can see, silver, especially the rest of the world. It's not the West, which is the big buyer,
or responsible for the upswing in gold and silver, through the rest of the world. But yeah, people are traveling around. I just came back from Asia to check out Bali and Singapore. So I'm always traveling. I've been to Costa Rica, looking at this country. I was in Asia a few months ago, too. Okay. I mean, I really have to say, you know, I have been traveling for two years, a bit more. I had to restart again. Let's call it that way. And so the first time that I really felt very positively surprised was when I went to Bali. I mean, that's the only... I've been there the last time 10 years ago. And wherever I went to in the past, you know, usually all these countries turned into the worst direction. But I had to feeling that Bali and Java was much more... It's more nicer than 10 years ago, much more clean. And at the same time, people are really happy.
You know, they're all smiling. You really feel welcome. I mean, it's completely different when you're traveling in Europe and the United States. I mean, it's kind of collective depression, you know, among the masses. And Asia is different. So it was a nice trip. It was a good trip. Good to see you. I... One up to you. Are we the China? Okay. Tell me. I was pleasantly surprised that place is the next level. Yeah, I mean, China has been built up by central planning with the money of the West. Mao was a Yale man. I mean, you will find an article from William Buckley, Yale University, Yale Chronicles in 1973 from Page. Saying Mao was a Yale man. I don't think I can censure you're going over there. Yeah, when they... Hang on, hang on though. It's not... The central planning is not quite correct.
I think it's a bit of a trope. I mean, it's fairly decentralized. You... It... I know it sounds crazy. But I would argue that China is probably more decentralized than the U.S. I mean, in terms of its federal... In terms of its federal structure. Okay. Yeah, I mean... It's still, you know, China is a very authoritarian government at the end of the day. It is quite authoritarian, yes. I have to be figured out one and a half billion people. Otherwise, you have India. Yeah, of course. I mean, the question is always, do they really have 1.5 billion people? Yeah. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. We're only five minutes in. Let me know this. We're... Baby steps. We've got to work our way there. I think, right now, I just heard, you know, I mean, Xi Jinping has some issues with the military leadership. So, I also heard from people in China that they were not so happy with... Especially what happened during Corona and so on.
Yeah. I really don't know. I think, you know, it's hard. I mean, as you know, these days, there is so much... All the news, everything we see. I think still, I think 80%, 90%. He's bullshit. Especially when you look at the mainstream media. I mean, they don't tell us what's really all about. I mean, it's that they're pushing their own agenda. Their Hollywood script. You know, how to control and divide and fear the masses. And that's it. So, yeah, I mean, there's a lot of stuff going on. And I think, yeah, a lot of people are preparing. A lot of people realize what's going where we are heading. And I mean, of course, you know, sensorization is becoming bigger. It's, you know, free. You know, they're allowed to speak up. What do you think? You know, for the wrong opinion, you might be chilled. So this agenda is, you know, pushed also heavily forward in the Western world, which also leads to the fact that more people don't speak up and you don't. I mean, it's really it's a luxury to have your own opinion.
Wow. Basically, I'm really, okay, I'm also in Switzerland, so I still hope, you know, we have been... We were the most free country in terms of culture when we look at the history of Switzerland. Because, you know, we really butchered, you know, everyone who wanted to try to get to steal our lip G or our property. For 200 years, we basically killed all those schmucks. You know, the hop sporks and the bourbonians and all the royalties. And we were, you know, called the cow Swiss, the anarchist from the mountain. So, I mean, the freedom of speech is something in Switzerland. You know, I mean, you still can... You don't have any issues. So, for, it's really more that most of the people are not free to speak, because otherwise they lose the job or they have no friends, or I don't have no crew. I mean, it's a luxury to these days to have your own opinion. World War Three is... For what you're working on, is that all right? Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, it's the same. I had the same, I mean, okay, it's a good friend of mine from Washington DC. He basically asked me if I would help to produce the movie. I did it together with him also our first movie, which was done in the same way. We started in 2020 and I really started interviewing people about Corona. And out of these interviews came down the movie, Planet Lockdown, which has been censorized. I mean, the first interviews came out. We have been blackmailed and censorized on Google, everywhere, Facebook, within 72 hours. But still, we reached out to 20 million people, perforps and Washington Post. But that was the first movie that we produced together. And now the second one is basically also we just interviewed roughly 22 people, especially in the United States, in the UK, in France, in Germany, also in Switzerland. So that's where we focused on.
So we had Ron Paul, of course, who opened up the interview series, which has published his interview last week. In the next few hours, I'm going to release the next one with a general courier. So he used to be the chief inspector of the Bundeswehr, so the highest military function, and also the relay between politics and military. And so, you know, the guy was in charge. I think his peak was around 2000, 2005. He was also chairman of the NATO Commission, Chief of Staff Commission. So he was responsible in the past, you know, how to establish a mechanism to have open communication channels and to keep the kind of balance of power strategy. So he established all those joint Russian NATO Commission, joined Ukraine, NATO Commission stuff like this, so when people were interacting. And he gives a good lecture,
how basically the Western world pushed us into this war in Ukraine. And he also says, especially Europeans over the last few years, especially in Trump, that the Europeans really are the warmongers, that they are pushing, that they're, you know, they really, yeah, they want to have this war. You know, it's the West that is basically the aggressor. And I'm not just, you know, Russia, who basically as an answer to Western politics and doctrines invaded Ukraine, the 24th of February or whatever it was. So, I mean, yeah, so we are talking about cause and effect, not only about the symptoms in this movie. So we have Kuya, we have Douglas McRagger in the States. We have Wilkinson, Wilkinson former Chief Staff of Calling Powell. We have Charles Freeman, American ambassador, Jewish guy, you know, he has been in Saudi Arabia everywhere.
I have Pete Defort, he used to be my ambassador, and I was based out in Syria a few years ago, or two decades ago, let's call it that way. He was the British ambassador, and he was pretty funny, because I asked him, so what is the main task of a British ambassador in the Middle East? And he has been, he joined the Foreign Service in 1971, and was really in all different kinds of ambassador positions all over the Middle East for, you know, 30, 40 years. And so he told me, well, you know, the main task is to sell weapons for British aerospace. So I mean, so we have, then we have the former Chief of Intelligence, Alan Shouye. You know, it's basically the French national service, like the CIA, comparable to some other French generals. High ranking officials, we have a general thought. He used to be the political advisor of Angela Merkel. So we have really Prince Michael of the Eastern China.
So we really have Scott Horton, Libertarian Institute, excellent guy when he comes to understanding of international war, and especially Afghanistan, Iraq, and so on the whole Middle East. So I think it's great interviews and based on these interviews, so we release the interviews now, weekly on a weekly basis. Basically, you know, because the movie is always cut, and maybe you know, one guy gets two or three minutes in the movie, so we thought it's important that we release the interviews first, kind of a teaser for the movie itself, but also to have full transparency from the beginning. So that everyone, you know, it's, I mean, we, of course, we cut the interviews a bit, but really only that stuff, which was irrelevant, or you noise stuff, which, yeah, I mean, you start the conversation and then you basically cut it down to the, to the, to the, to the, you know, to the substance of it, not to make it in a two hours, but maybe to have it in an hour and 20, 30 minutes.
Well, what was three, why that label? Yeah, because I mean, that's, you know, you know, when you look back into history, of course, every 80 years we had a reset. If you go back eight years, you know, second world war, you go back and other eight years, war within a single war in the United States, the big movements, the big changes in Europe, you know, French revolution, that kind of stuff, you go back and other eight years, it's the war of independence in the United States. So every 80 years, we had a kind of reset. And the last two world wars basically were about dividing Europe and Asia, especially Germany and Russia. Because, you know, the Brits, we had this old health and neck in the doctrine, heartland theory, basically saying, you know, the British, the British, they control the world, because they control the seaways, they control the trade. On the global scale, that's why they have the empire. If they lose the seaways of the trading hops and so on, or goods are being moved on the, on the land,
and then the Brits would lose their empire. And of course, when Germany and Russia first world war, and before it, I mean, Germany at the end of the 18th century produced more steel than Russia, France, and UK together. And also when it comes to the ability to read and write and account, I mean, in Germany, you had, I think, 90% were literate. And while in the surrounding countries, I mean, maybe two-thirds of the people weren't able to read and write. So, I mean, yeah, so we have this, I think this is still also, I mean, you know, the British, when they lost the empire to the Americans, Rizinski took the same strategy in his big chess board, also how to, you know, we have to avoid that Europe and Asia gets together if the trade becomes, you know, from bloody livestock to Lisbon. I mean, then if that gets together, then we don't have, we lose a lot of influence in Europe.
And there is no, there is no US empire, possible any longer. And I think that's, that's the fact it's the same stuff we are in again. And that's why also, yeah, I mean, war is, you know, we also looked at the political ratings of Macron and Starmer and Merz in Germany and so on. I mean, they're hated, you know, what, 6, 8, 9, 10% of the people still stand behind these guys, the rest really hates them. So whenever you have internal problems, then you try to find an enemy outside, you know, to reshape and to refocus, you know, divide and conquer at the end of the day. You know, make sure that they don't think about you, but that they start fighting migrants and, I don't know, wars and, yeah. Is Europe tickets? Is Europe? Tickets, is it gone? Is it sinking? Yeah, definitely. I think you cannot hold it.
I think Europe is in the focus, especially Germany, of course. So there is, you know, we are de-industrializing Europe. We are, yeah, they are blowing pipelines up the, this melon fraction politicians, I always call them a melon fraction outside green side right in the core, brown. You know, they have their actual political agenda that we have to switch to all those green, bullshit sources. And so they actively promote those at this war against Ukraine and Russia, I mean, against Russia, of course, because it fits their agenda. But at the same time, I mean, it's not possible that we can live or operate in Europe with green energy. It's just, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a joke. And that's what they are doing. I mean, they also lock down. So I mean, it's whatever they do, it's basically also a war against the small and mid-sized companies. It's a war against the middle class. It's a war against, you know, the productive people.
So we are at focus, even by our own government. And this is the agenda, yeah. I mean, I had an interview with Prince Michael. Let me give you. Prince Michael had an interview a few years ago. It's also recorded. So he told me that he had an interesting conversation with a high-level official from the OSCD, you know, the organization of security and cooperation in Europe. And so the guy was telling Prince Michael what they have in mind for us in the future. And then Prince Michael said, and that was my moment of awakening. He said, so he said, well, if you're going to implement those kind of steps, then there will be no private wealth, no private savings. And then the guy from the OSCD smiled very nicely, looked at him and said, yeah, well, that's basically true. But, you know, we have to steer the economy. And they can only steer people in that. But they cannot steer people with wealth. And so that's what it's all about. I mean, you know, what we are witnessing right now is, as I said,
five, six years ago, it's a cultural revolution. You know, the West stood up for individualism. So the individual stands above, you know, collective. It's based on self-ownership. You know, we own our own body and mind. It's a God-given right. We have given that right by birth. Nobody, not even the government has the authority, you know, to rule over our mind or body. Because if they can do that, then there is no private property at all. And that's where we are at the moment. I mean, we're really going away from an enlightened society with Kant and Voltaire and all the big philosophers. We're going back to barbarism. And those rulers and sociopaths who truly believed that they are somehow anointed or got chosen to play, you know, his deputy on earth because they are so, so smart and whatever. I mean, they are all, I mean, sociopaths completely. But they are the rulers.
I mean, that's, you know, a centralized system is centralized. And you have a wide minority. Why? Because I mean, even the idea, you know, that the idea of a state, you know, the state is the big fiction that everyone believes he can live on the cost of everybody else. So, I mean, you know, the state gives promises to the people that they get something for free. And when they accept that kind of idea that we need state to govern ourselves, I mean, then they already give in also to the idea that they are rulers and servants. You know, because it will be a two-class society or two-class system. There are a few guys. I mean, it's such a joke because, you know, I mean, we believe that the majority of the people are not capable to lead themselves, but they are stupid, but out of,
but we're going to elect some people which we believe are stupid that they take over more responsibility and, you know, than rule over us. I mean, it's, I don't know. I mean, it's, yeah, people have to organize themselves. I'm Swiss. So, I, what I'm promoting for the last five, six years was decentralized. You know, we can, we can organize everything on the lower level, on the, on the level of municipalities, that, or maybe of a city. But that's it, you know, so we, because democracy or a special direct, I mean, it also means, at the Asperer Aristotel, is the Greek philosopher. They also know the village. Trautia, rulers. What do they call it, philosopher kings? Yeah. Yeah. I'm actually a fan of, of, of, of dismantling democracy. I, I don't like the idea that, that mob rule is the order of the day.
I fully agree. I mean, that's what I'm saying. You know, the only way it's going to work is, you know, if you keep it as low as possible. You know, because you have to limit the wishes of the people, but you also have to limit the power of the bureaucrats, which have to admit, I mean, we always have to organize ourselves somehow. I mean, it also makes sense that we, that we have a doctor, you know, living nearby and that we might build the hospital together with some other states, you know, to reduce costs and so on. So people want to organize themselves, which is okay. But I think we have, you know, so direct democracy. I mean, I'm Swiss. So that's basically our story. That's our story. And that's part of our culture. I believe in the competition of ideas. You know, I truly believe maybe, you know, let's look at Singapore. If there is, you know, a centralized system with a, is a ruler somehow, you know, that might work. You know, or if there is a king somewhere in Africa, I don't know. I mean, tribes or different cultures, different, I mean, rule, rule of law
comes out of culture. And so we don't have one system that fits it all. But I think it's really, it has really very much to with the, with the culture within the country. And honestly, the Swiss, I mean, we always stood for, you know, we are precise. You know, a handshake is a handshake. We don't cheat. I mean, okay, let's say at least before we had the big, before middle of the 90s, you know, when the whole world turned into this U.S. empire, MTV, Muppet Show, St. Global Act, local, you need an executive MBA to compete in today's world. And all this, all this crap started. You know, and then, yeah, which was also, I mean, it's, yeah, it's, you know, we need, we need decentralized structures. And if people, you know, and we need the competition of ideas, meaning, you know, if let's you, let's assume here in Switzerland, I live in Tuk. If the content of Tuk believes that it should be a capitalist freedom of speech,
freedom of assembly, low taxes on, no taxes, whatever, that should be possible. And if German, Zurich, the city of Zurich, if they decide to become a socialist paradise and everyone owns everything, and no private property, and you have to sing the international name every morning, I mean, then they should do it as well. You know, let's try, which, which idea is going to, I mean, at the end of the day, people want to have food and shelter, and hopefully, you know, some even want more. Well, I mean, Klaus Schwab wants you to own nothing and be happy. I mean, Schwab is, I mean, it's, I mean, I saw a video with Epstein. Yesterday, I saw the interview that the conversation he had with Steve Bannon. And that was pretty, that was pretty interesting because, you know, Epstein has been sold to us as the wild sex guy, you know, child parties, and so on, and black-making people.
But so Epstein was a chosen one. He was really, you know, he was rock, he was chosen by Rockefeller. He joined the trilateral when he was 30. He was at the board of the Rockefeller Foundation. I mean, he had close contacts with the Rothschild family. You know, he was really the big mover. Much, much, much more important than we always saw. So, I mean, the centralized system. You know, it's, of course, we have a centralized monetary system. We have these central banks. So they can't create money out of thin air. You know, they can decide how much interest they want to charge. They can also decide who is going to receive the funds and who is not. Who is to pick the fail? You know, they also know the cycles. When they know the crash is coming when we increase interest rates and when we lower it, you know, then it's... So, and this is, and this, this money system is a big fraud. And some people are still in there, you know, for 200, 300 years.
So it's a centralized system. We centralized structures. And there you have certain, certain families, which are more important than others. And these clubs, you know, the council of foreign relations, the trilateral, the Bilderbergs, the World Economic Forum. I mean, the Freemasons, you know. Then, of course, we have also a Zionist Jewish Mafia. So all these, because they also believe... I mean, everyone who believes that they are got chosen, and that they are better than others fit into this club, which we are not in. Have you read? Hans, Herman Hobbes' book, Democracy, The God That Failed. Yeah, absolutely, of course. I'm a big fan. I know Hans pretty well. It's a great... I learned a lot from Hans. And this is the book, Democracy. I wanted to establish a classical liberal party 20 years ago with a friend of mine, because we thought, let's go into politics.
And, you know, let's bring some more liberty and freedom. And then I read Hans' book. And afterwards, I had to say, hey, forget about it. We cannot go into politics, you know, because politics is always forced. And we don't want to use force. So it's the wrong direction. And so we cancel the old stuff again. But I mean, his cool argument is superb. I mean, basically, Democracy is tyranny of the majority, and it's a threat to freedom. Absolutely. By its very design. Yeah. No, it's a mob rule. Yeah. It's really 51. You know, A goes together with B to Rob C, and the next time B goes together with A to Rob, whatever. So it's mob rule. It's... It also contains the wrong motivation. It's always about the distribution of wealth, stealing. But also, you choose. But if I get 51% in an election in a poll, then it will be okay.
But it's also unstable. But it's also unstable because it's completely open to infiltration by foreign interests. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, sure. Democracy is not sovereign. As I said, you know, the only... I mean, because I'm thinking about, okay, I always try to push the... The people are also looking for new ideas of solutions for the future. I mean, they went through this corner. I've seen that the government basically crossed the red line with Corona. I think a lot of people realize that. You know, we have a constitution. And in the constitution, we are protected. But all the governments, all over the world, basically ignored the constitution. You know, and I think there was really a red line, which a lot of people realize, okay, I mean, if they do it once, they're also going to do it the second time. So that's... Then I was... I basically always said, okay, Swiss history is decentralization. That's why we never had the government. And we never had the king.
We have seven presidents, even today, in the system. You know, we don't have only one. So we always had this division of power. And until 1848, we basically had a pretty good system which was limiting that power. And so... Democracy, as I said, you know, if you... If you limit it to the village that you are living in, I mean, then it's okay because you can only vote on stuff which you are directly impacted. But you cannot vote and somebody else outside of your village has to pay for it. Because that's today's democratic democracy. And if we in the German-speaking part have the majority, we might drop, you know, the westerns be peaking part. Or we might drop always. Yeah, the more you scale it, the more it gets corrupted. If you keep it as low as possible, I think that's... At least, you know, it's part of our history. It's part of the Swiss history. So therefore, I think... I mean, they all is talking about built-back better. I mean, they want to bring us back to the stone ages.
But I think when it comes to the political system of Switzerland, definitely, I mean, then, you know, we should go back to what made us prosper and free. And that was a non-sensualized Swiss system at the end of the day. Containing of contones and also the Muslim regime. Really, you had to go to a square on the place and you had to vote, yes or no. Everyone had to show that he was saying yes or no. I mean, so it's... But even that... Even that is not that great. I mean, why must you vote? Just to remove voting altogether. And let's go back to, I don't know, King's dictators who are benign. No, I mean, I also... Look, look, if I could choose... I mean, it's private property. Think about it, hold on, hold on, hold on. To a monarch. Right? I'm Gavin's because of private property. I mean, it's the ultimate. Yeah, I mean, he owns everything.
So if he's smart, if he's smart and sound monarch, then he makes sure that he doesn't kill his own people, and that he does not destroy his own wealth, that he is basically marrying and trying to establish a more secure whatever. I mean, so, yeah, you own... So, but I mean, monarchs... Yeah, you know, I don't want to... I'm not the property of... Funny guy claiming he's to be a monarch because they were the biggest crooks a few hundred years ago. You know, the biggest amount of throoks, and they were stealing, and then they finally, from pirates or whatever, for criminals, they became monarchs. But of course, they're all... I know a lot of monarchs. I mean, I know some royal members. And of course, when I look at the lichtenstein family, I think that's... I always got the very sound. I mean, I would rather prefer to live under the lichtenstein rule
because... Yes. Liberals, you know, they understand private property at least. They respect it. You know, then to live under the nopacho that I'm in right now is all these waste clowns we have in burn. But I mean, that's the point that I'm making. I mean, a monarch has a long-term interest. If he just goes and kills the people who live on his land, and that's ridiculous because then he doesn't get any... He doesn't get any agriculture, et cetera, et cetera. He obviously wants, like a farmer, right? A farmer who's got farm workers living on his land, he wants them to be happy so that everything becomes productive. There needs to be a symbiosis. Yeah. No, absolutely. I mean, as I said, you know, we need... I mean, you know... In fact, what do I want? I mean, I always said, you know, now it's a time to find the right neighbors. I basically want to be surrounded with individuals who... Yeah. ...who understand that they own themselves. You know, so they're responsible for their acts and deeds. You know, it takes, say, the responsibility,
they believe in private property, they don't steal... I mean, they believe in the non-aggression principles. They don't steal, they don't betray, they don't kill... I mean, it's pretty simple, you know? And when I look around here in Switzerland, then I truly, you know, we don't need... I mean, some people believe that if you don't have a government tomorrow, mass killing will start. A mass slaughter, and everyone is going to rob the other and so on. And I think, you know, if you would have no government in Switzerland in certain areas, you know, the next day, it would be, you know, just a big party, and people could restart thinking, you know, how to be really productive. Oh, but Claudio. Claudio. But what about the roads? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, why don't you, you know, government build roads? I mean, what... This is the biggest... It wasn't the biggest... Yes, it was, yeah, we have in the country, you know, local construction mafia. If it wasn't for the government, we wouldn't have roads, Claudio, because nobody knows how to build a road, other than the politicians.
Yeah, you know, the most prosperous... In the past, you know, the most prosperous regions became the ones who had not had many roads, because the roads were always used by the tax collectors. So, you know, the mountain area in Switzerland, going out to the mountain on these heavy small roads, there was an advantage back then. But, yeah, I mean... No, I mean, we don't need government for nothing. I mean, honestly, we don't need to be governed. You know, what we have, but we have to... Yeah, we, you know, we should not... We should not just be a piece of meat, we're walking around with a brain, which we not use. You know, we really should... Yeah, we are gifted. Homocypians mean gifted with reason. So, every... I mean, every single person... It's not dumb, or, you know, stupid. He might be brainwashed, or he might be just, you know, very materialistic, living just into the day. And, you know... But, this... What they are, what they lack is basically independent thinking. And also, really trying to grasp what's going on
and then come to your own conclusion, just to think about it once. What does it mean when the government says we lock down everything? You have to stay at home. You have to go outside, and so, what does that mean, you know? How can they do that? Why are they... I mean... And that is the beginning of the journey. You know, when people start thinking independently. That's why it would be so important that they can also speak freely. Because the only way to enlighten people is by having direct conversations and to really exchange, you know, ideas without being afraid to be locked away. So, that's why we need freedom of speech. But I mean... I would argue that property rights trump freedom of speech. Property rights trump freedom of speech. I would say that they come first. I mean, you know, private property starts with self-ownership.
Yeah. That's... So, we own our own body in mind, so it goes all together. Yeah. Because when we own our own body in mind, then, you know, freedom of speech is private property. Yeah, but I'm saying that. Yeah, but Claudia, what I'm saying that is because if we look at people around us, the protesters and those who want to be part of movements and freedom fighters and all this kind of stuff, they're always fight for speech. Very rarely do I see them fighting for property rights. Yeah, I mean, they don't... I mean, these are just political moped show identities, which have been created by, you know, the mainstream media. And so, they are also... They have, you know, I mean, it's very much collectivism, Marxism, you know, it's the delusion of the House, whatever. Yeah, but they have... It's toxic. They're poisoned. They understand something's wrong.
Of course, you can also lead them into a wrong direction. Yeah. And as they just repeat what they are being told and accept the enemy that they have been given. And so on. You know, simple... Yeah, simple answers. But it's all about that... But that's why I conquer. I mean, that's how it works. I mean, that's the oldest agenda in town. That's how it works. Well, that's why I was bringing a monarchy earlier, because monarchy is about property rights. And although I'm not a fan necessarily of, you know, being a peasant in a kingdom, I think it does outweigh that of being in a democratic society where it's more cruel. Ultimately, I think Hanserman Hopper was arguing for natural order as the best, where we basically govern our communities based on voluntary agreements. But I mean, that's kind of like what Plato was talking about,
where a city shouldn't really be bigger than 5,000 people, more or less, because he was saying that once it goes beyond that, you no longer know the people, everybody becomes a number. And then it becomes more complicated. Now, I mean, I agree, I agree. I mean, if you don't need... But let me give you an example when it comes to Switzerland, even if you hate it, this dark democracy on the municipality level. I mean, so we still have, you know, so we have the municipality. Meaning, if I was living in home, and my municipality or the people living in the municipality were raising taxes and so on, I always had the possibility to move to another village, 500 meters away, which had lower taxes. You see, I mean, so we... Even when you keep it on that low level, you always have to competition even between the different villages and cities and so on, or regions. So that keeps, you know, as long as you have to freedom to move or to decide with your feet,
then there is competition. And then, of course, if one municipality is just going in the wrong direction, I mean, then they're going to run out of people. So I'm just saying, I mean, there are different... Of course, I don't... I could live, you know, yeah, I mean, somewhere, and once we need a road, whatever, I mean, we could... I would have to gather anyway if you people together, and, you know, trying to organize the streets. So I'm just saying, we always need to organize ourselves. Because most of the people, I mean, when you talk about anarchy, there's nothing else than without rulers, you know? But if you talk about them, you know, we need anarchy, no rulers, and so on, then they always... They react a bit shocked because they cannot imagine what this means. You know, for most of the people, anarchy means total chaos and destruction, which is basically the interpretation of the left, but it's called the Anomali, you know, what they understand on their anarchy, Anomali. And so I think, you know, sometimes you have to give the people also an idea, and I think in Switzerland, the best idea I was able to grasp
was that we just go back to what we did in the past, and we're really led to the free nation that we have become. And the last 25, 30 years, I mean, it has been changed, of course, tremendously. Like everywhere, you know, middle of the 90s, when the Soviet Union collapsed. I mean, I was back then, I was in the... in the global business working for airline companies. I mean, I realized how fast, you know, everything changed, and how the new Mopacho and script and mass media, and you were still the rest of the world's research currency, and you know, fueling the system is credit and so on. How fast it took place, you know? But what I was... What I was alluding to also is that you're talking about anarchy, which means without rulers. Now, I live on the African continent, so by default,
we are more anarchist than the rest of the world. But that's not necessarily a good thing, but it also is a good thing. It just depends on where you're coming from. I prefer having a broken system like that, because it's difficult to explain unless you live here, but there is a sense of freedom that comes with that chaos. We can get away with more if that makes sense, because we don't have the type top-down imposition of the state. However, it does mean that we have everything around us is broken, just about right? Like, nothing really works. But it also forces you into a sense of self-reliance independence. You need to make things work, because you can't rely on the government. No, I think that's... As I said, you know, it's different regions, different cultures.
That was also the beauty of our planet, that we had all those different cultures in all different places. And we can see that all this stuff is being destroyed, all this cultural Marxism, you know, then all together destroy every single culture. But yeah, you know, at the end of the day, you just want to be surrounded with sounding individuals. You know, and I don't... I mean, when I look at my close friends, I mean, the closest ones are they all live abroad. Some are in Egypt, some are in the state, some are in Asia, some are in other European nations, and then I have... You know, it has to do with the individual as such, and also the principles he believes in. And as long because we are gifted, he's reason, so reason, always drives us towards the good. You know, because once people realize that, yeah, we should not steal and betray, because we also don't want to be stolen and betrayed. And it makes sense not to kill someone,
because you also want to go out and have, you know, a good evening without being threatened that somebody could shoot you and so on. So it's really, I mean, it stands and falls with the individual, and has nothing to do with any kind of government or whatever, but the individual as such has been also very much influenced by the local culture, and so... Yeah. I just want to have good people and these good people surrounding us who don't want to steal and don't make any... But that's the vote there. Yeah, but that's... But that's exactly the point, Claudia. I think people in then sort of natural habitat, if you just leave people alone, they tend to get on, right? Because nobody wants conflict. The people who want conflict are those in power, almost always. They live, they live from it. It's divide and conquer. There's a game in dialectic, problem-reaction solution, and then you drive them forward. Bite and Trump.
What else now is coming? And of course, the moment the government says you cannot carry a gun, that should be a huge, huge red flag. Yeah, definitely. Definitely. Especially if you're led by AI, the system you're in, if they want to take away your guns, then you can't be sure that the government will come after you. And so here in Switzerland, of course, fortunately, we are all armed. I think Switzerland is one of the most armed countries in the world. Absolutely. I mean, they also try to restrict it a bit more and so on, but we have had any big issues. We don't have those mass shootings like in the States, which are false flags anyway. Of course, of course. Those are designed to reduce. Those are designed to reduce gun leadership. Gone.
Absolutely. But I mean, still, it's a more violent culture in the States. In general, when you compare it now, or incidents with weapons and so on, then over here in Switzerland. But we have about the same. We hardly have any issues. So that just shows that Switzerland still consists of a more sound society. Then, for example, because, yeah, I mean, America is, you know, for the last, since they took over the empire from the bridge, you know, for 70 years they have been bombing the shade out of the rest of the world and the regime changed. And they destroyed, you know, their y'all sending them to wars. You know, they come back when they are 20 and so on. It's terrible. I mean, all look at eyes. I think these are all former military guys. So they were trained to help treat, you know, the people in the Middle East. And now they do the same with the Americans at home. So it has an influence. And Switzerland, of course, yeah, we never had the war for a few hundred years now.
And we never thought the war. We never, yeah. So it's more peaceful. Yeah, but that's also an interesting observation because apparently, Claudia, that if you have a society with guns, they'll be more violence. Not really. No, no, but we train. You know, we train, you know, we have weapons that we can defend ourselves against the tyrannical government at the end of the day. That is the basic idea of Thomas Jefferson, or whoever, or the Judge Napolitano said once, we don't have arms to shoot deer. We have arms to defend ourselves against the totalitarian government. But that's the point. So in other words, if everybody in the country is armed, the government will actually fear the citizens.
Yeah, sure. Definitely much more. But the more so faced, I mean, there is also Carol quickly wrote once a book about arms. And he said the more specialized that the arms become, the more totalitarian becomes the whole system. And when we had the invention of the cult, you know, Samuel cult, so everyone was able to buy weapons and so on. I mean, overall that level came, that level came down again. And now, of course, I don't know. I mean, I have the feeling that all those weapons, you know, now we can see that a lot of money is fueled into the military industrial complex. So I have the feeling that these weapons in the future might be used against the own population, you know, these drones and all that stuff. So these weapons are becoming more sophisticated. And they have an advantage against, you know, normal individuals with a pistol or a rifle and whatever. So we'll see how it will turn out. But the development overall is not pro-individual. It's a really bit more pro-authoritarian state.
I have found Claudia, though, over the last few years, there has been a strong push in the skeptical slash conspiratorial, slash alternative space for sovereignty. You know, it's about bringing, it's fighting for sovereignty again. But it's also become a bit of an empty phrase, because what do they mean? Because that can also lead to a collectivization of society, which takes you back to kind of socialist communist thinking. Well, I mean, as I said, you know, I think at the end of the day, the important is in the other direction we are going. And we cannot switch it anyway from A to B, you know, to change from this system into another one. We're going to have a huge, you know, we're going to have this world economic depression, we're going to have war, we're going to have fatal wars.
That's what's coming anyway. It's important to just fame stuff like this. I think that's all coming, that's all linked. I mean, that's what we have seen every eight years. But what's coming out of it we don't know yet. And so, as I said, I just want to be surrounded with some individuals. And I think human beings basically, I mean, love, and as long as love exists, I mean, then the game is not over. So, you know, how do they want to organize themselves? Yeah, different solutions. We just have to come to the conclusion that people can organize themselves and on a certain reach and no one is going to interfere and they should look after themselves if their model is working. But I mean, we have to start somewhere, right now. Well, I mean, you've started somewhere by bringing out this new documentary. You're informing. Yeah, but I don't expect that it will have a huge impact, of course.
But I hope for you. But that's what I asked you at the beginning of the conversation. Almost people dumb. Now, there are just, I mean, sheep's. I mean, the problem is really that's what we have seen with Corona. I mean, it is really, you know, let's call it that way. You know, only the slave does not want to become free. He wants to become a slave master. So I, although I distinguish between, you know, servants and free individuals. And I have to say that I'm surrounded with free individuals. And I also have my plan B, where I, it's a small village. Not too many people, you know, a bit off-grid. So if stuff is coming, then I go there. And if more stuff is coming, then I pick my gold. And then I moved somewhere else. No, but yeah.
I have to be prepared. Yeah, the world is changing. And I don't have a solution. And, you know, there is no, you know, the future will show. You know, how, where, if you're going to have enough, I mean, I'm sure we're going to have enough sound people. We'll gather together, guys who share the same principles. And that's all. But do you also prepare through gold and silver? Yeah. Because gold and silver is money, nothing else. It's the hardest currency on the planet. It's also, to me, it's also sound money. You know, whenever people decide to exchange their fiat or pay for wealth, whatever, into physical precious metals, I mean, then that money is out of the system. It's not being used, you know, for fractional reserve banking and all that shit. You know, basically the system that defines the system,
which is going to enslave us. You know, it's out. And you own it. And you can move it. And I think in the days which are coming, yeah, you can always announce a gold purchase, a villa in Berlin during the Weimar Republic. You know, when all these artificial wealth is, in the artificial donated paper currencies, Swiss francs, euros, whatever, then this is going to collapse. I mean, then you need money and that's gold and silver. But also, these prices are going up and down. Yeah. It makes absolutely sense. Because, yeah, because paper money is depreciating. It's not that the price of gold is rising. An ounce of gold is always an ounce of gold. You know, but the paper price for an ounce of gold is changing. And then it leads to depreciating of paper money,
because they print more. They reduce interest rates again. So, you know, all the money in circulation, and there is new liquidity injected, then it's losing value, of course. And the US dollar already lost 99% versus gold since 1971. So you still can buy a little bit of gold with your US dollar. But I don't know how long, you know, this will last. I think we really go into two, three years. That's the peak. Of course, nobody knows. What do you make of Bitcoin? I mean, I used to be a big fan of cryptocurrencies. I mean, I think 10 years, 12 years ago we started doing conferences about the nationalization of money. And it's great to have a private player in competition with central banks and so on. So the idea of crypto and Bitcoin back then, I very much embraced it.
I mean, I see today, and also I see the people and how the movement has changed. And then also that dash, or, you know, that is coming from the NSA or CIA. I think Bitcoin used to be the teaser for the digital system that we are seeing being established heavily and, you know, artificial intelligence, corona lockdowns, stay at home, all that stuff. And that Bitcoin was just, you know, teaser that, you know, the digital side, digital future, that's what it's all about. But overall, I honestly, I mean, I own a little bit, but there was always money I saw there. I purchased 10 years ago, I think. And I haven't checked it out since then. I purchased Bitcoin, Ethereum and Monero. And I rather have hold my gold and silver. And I think Bitcoin, maybe it was a fraud, you know,
from the beginning, could be. I would not exclude that thought any longer. A central intelligence operation to get us ready for stable coins and CBDCs and digital ID. Yeah, yeah, so to say. I mean, Bitcoin is completely useless for me. I also have Bitcoin. But I can't do anything with it. I mean, I've got a wallet. Oh, it's a cool talking point. Yeah, I've got Bitcoin. Okay, cool. What do you do with it? No, nothing. It's pretty limited. Yeah, it did not manage. I mean, it never became money. Some people use it for real estate. I think that's the only transaction of one of the biggest cases that it's useful. But yeah, even if it goes up to me, I mean, of course, I mean, let's assume if I have some money, and now I have to decide, do I want to buy treasure bonds or Bitcoin? And I don't need it for the next few years. Most likely, I would also pick Bitcoin. You know, because it's still better than the Treasury bonds
and all that stuff, which is going to disappear anyway. But overall, no, I mean, the whole blockchain move. Everything is transparent. You know, everything is in the blockchain. I mean, yeah, the other side. You know, every coin has two sides. So to have that technology in a fully decentralized system would be amazing. I think it would allow tremendous advantages and prosperity and everything. But in a centralized system, it's, I mean, at the end, you know, it's the control, of course. I think it's been co-opted anyway. Do you mean what co-opted? Bitcoin. I don't understand the question fully. You have to elaborate a bit. No, I mean, I think BlackRock and some of the huge players now have got into the game. Oh, yeah, OK. Yeah, I mean, it's definitely. You know, Bitcoin also, OK, I mean, this golden silver.
I mean, so I was looking at the silver price over the last 10 years. And so the silver was hardly moving, hardly going anywhere. And I just realized, you know, even when we came into the new bull market for precious metals, and silver still was quiet. And then I just, because you know, the last bull market we had, 2000 to 2011, I mean, the guys who really want, you know, institutional money, the money managers and so on, the ones who understood in which cycle we are going, I mean, they were always buying silver. Because they were looking for, you know, high higher prices, bigger chances to make, you know, a bigger gain. And so it was always the speculative side who moved into silver. But that side was missing for the past 10 years. So these guys were all buying crypto. So even if you look at the Western world, I mean, they have 0.6 percent is in physical precious metals. I mean, precious metals at all. 0.6, I mean, hardly nothing.
But they have much more cryptos. So I mean, the crypto has also been brought up as a competitive to gold, of course. That's why they were always talking about digital gold and so on. But I think, yeah, overall, I actually believe it could be part of this, yeah, of a script, you know, as you said before, I also, I would, today based on the information I have on the observations I made, I would also come to that conclusion. OK, Claudio, how can my audience watch World War Three and find out more about gold and silver? I mean, they basically can come to my homepage. It's Claudiograss.ch. And there I also have a blog. So all the interviews are going to be released on my blog. There will also be released on the side of my friend, World War Three, documentary.com. But if they subscribe on my page, which is free,
they will also receive all the interviews. It's a short, you know, it's a text that I give a short overview about the content. And then when the movie is coming out, they will also receive it automatically. And there they also find some information if they want to invest in precious metals and so on. It's all there. Claudiograss, again, my friend, thank you for joining me in the trenches. Always a pleasure. Turn, take good.
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