Why Having Kids Might Make You Happier | Dr. Robert Hamilton

0:00Life Audio A day's episode of timeless wisdom. The children, the second half of their first year, they get, they have this thing called string-tringed size. So people who are not their mom and their dad or people very close to them, they have a reaction to them, which is usually the crying and screaming and wanting to get away from them. And this is kind of an embarrassing for the parents because they go, oh, he's such a good baby, but, you know, every time grandma who's from Florida shows up, he has a complete fit when grandma tries to hold him, which is embarrassing for the family. And of course, grandma feels kind of bad about that too. I just want to say, from the Prager family, lore, you will like this. You just reminded me. I don't think I ever mentioned this on the radio. They would have never been a reason to. My older brother, almost six years older than I. So this proceeds my birth. But it is said that whenever our beloved and buddy came, he threw up.

1:03I can't tell you, I'm sad. I felt for it, buddy. That's coming up on timeless wisdom with Dennis Prager. Dave Roberts here. There you are, surrounded by fans, sharing wings, sharing drinks, high-fiving random strangers. Everybody remembers the game. Nobody remembers the guy coughing behind you until a few days later. At 2am, you wake up with a fever and your throats on fire. Now what? Urgent care? Close. ER? Slam. Telehealth? Maybe. But the pharmacy's close. You needed a medical emergency kit. These aren't first aid kits. They contain essential prescriptions used for over 30 common conditions. Sinus and ear infection. UTIs. Stomach bug. Travelers diarrhea and more. On hand before you need them. Use your doctor-developed guidebook to select the right prescription or call their telemedicine doctor standing by. It's like an urgent care and drugstore at home. When you're sick, traveling or stranded, you'll wish you ordered a medical emergency kit.

2:04Order online in minutes and it's shipped to your door and say $45 with my promo code blue at urgentcarekit.com slash blue. That's promo code blue at urgentcarekit.com slash blue. Welcome to Timeless Wisdom with Dennis Prager. Here thousands of hours of Dennis' lecture scores in classic radio programs and to purchase Dennis Prager's rational bibles. Go to Dennis Prager.com. Hi everybody, Dennis Prager here. One of the great themes that I have talked about is the decreasing amount of marriage in the United States, decreasing number of children born in the West. There are countries that are going out of business. Do you realize that within a hundred years? I don't know if they will be a what they will be in terms of a Germany or a Spain or a

3:08Belgium as you write in my guest I'm looking at. I have a distinguished guest I happen to know the man. So what do they call it when you have to give full disclosure? I like him. I don't know what am I supposed to say. I know him and I like him but there are a lot of people I know and like who don't come on the show. By the way there are even people I don't like who come on the show. But I never the less I wanted to mention that because he is a pediatrician in practice in Santa Monica, California where nobody has babies. So now he's only seeing people from other parts of Southern California. Actually I want to talk to you about Santa Monica to be an interesting thing. Dr. Bob Hamilton, Robert Hamilton MD, pediatrician for more than 30 years, founder of Pacific Ocean Pediatrics in Santa Monica. And you have gone on 30 medical missions. I didn't know that 30. Wow. I know you go to African Central America because I want I told you I wanted to go on one

4:08with him with you. We'll still work that out. I could broadcast from there. Was it Gabon, right? The Gambia. The Gambia. Oh, not Gabon. Okay. The Gambia. By the way, is it called the Gambia? It is a funny thing like like the Netherlands is called the Netherlands and the Gambia is called the Gambia. There's a river called the Gambian River, but just Gambian River. But yes, it is the Gambia which confuses the heck out of everybody. I'm one of them. Dr. Hamilton has written a book which has really gone, I'll bet you you didn't expect it to be as popular as it is. It's really successful. We're working on it. And it came out three months ago actually almost to the day. And it's called Seven Secrets of the Newborn Secrets and Happy Surprises of the first year. And it's published by St. Martin's Press. And the reason I mentioned it because a lot of people send me books they would like to come on totally understandably. And I suspect anyone who's written a book whether they publish it themselves or they have

5:11an established publisher. But having an established publisher says to me that somebody thought it worthwhile to invest in this person's book. That's the difference between that and a self-published book. So I want all authors to understand why we have a sort of rule here that we have books published by actual publishers because then we know it has met certain criteria. Anyway, Seven Secrets of the Newborn, you have a piece in the Los Angeles Times. God said be fruitful and multiply. And multiply Robert C. Hamilton. This just came out the September 12th. And it is about your observations in comparing and contrasting Belgium and Israel. In terms of fertility. Let's talk before we get to this Seven Secrets of the Newborn. Is that then tidally up?

6:12Seven Secrets of the Newborn. Which is up at DennisPrager.com, by the way, the book is up at our website. To what do you attribute the decline in fertility in the West? You know, there's a lot of factors. But I think that the probably when you think about what is going on the last several years I think they're basically we're beginning to lose our vision for life. Something happened after World War II during the 50s and 1617. Certainly the feminist revolution, if you will, was a part of that. But in terms of that idea, the 50s, we had the 50s and moms were at home. And there was this idea that life was kind of a wonderful time in American life in some ways. A lot of people looked turned around and said, we don't want that anymore. And I think that that changed a lot of what happened with women because women are the

7:12ones who bear children. And if you look at the studies, you know, women who are going into careers, who are going to college with but put you by the way, is a good thing. My wife and I have four children. We've incurred their ball gun to college. And four daughters, six children I should clarify. But our four daughters we have all gone to college. But as a result of that, what is happening is that women are putting off that goal, which was really very evident when I was a kid of having children. So that's a big part of it. When you see patients, the ones having children in Santa Monica, California, I know well, not only being a resident of Southern California, but I conducted the Santa Monica Symphony Orchestra and got quite immersed in the political life of your city. So your city is known as quite left. And while I associate left with not having babies, in fact, not even getting married in

8:16many instances, is that a fair stereotype? You know, here's the thing. I deal with people who have children. So by definition, I'm dealing with kind of a subpopulation of my community, Santa Monica. Okay. So that, that in fact raises the question. I wanted to ask assuming that a fair number of the women whom you see who are having children are on the left. Why are they having children? I think that this concept of having children, this goal, this kind of lifetime hope is resident in people in general, even whether you're on the left or the right. Definitely there are people who are real true ideologues who say we don't want no children. We don't want to populate the world anymore. And so they're not having children. They're relatively rare. But what I do find that that residue of wanting a child is something which is deeply inherent

9:17to human beings. This is our DNA. It really is in the genetic code. So people, even whether you're on the left or the right or whatever, they want children. However, what I find is that people who do tend toward more leftist ideology, and I don't know how people, everybody in my office stands, they tend to have one, maybe two children. The concept of overpopulating, even though that is really wrong, as you mentioned in your opening statement here, we actually have a big issue in Western America. We're in the world right now with populations actually decreasing. But anyway, they rarely go beyond two. People who are more religious, people who tend to be a little bit on the right side of the spectrum, who I know that to be, they have larger families. And I think that to a degree, religion is a big part of it. We see that in Israel, which is a, if you look at the piece I did for the Wall Street Journal

10:17there, the actual... Oh, this is a wall, I thought this was the LA Times. No, no, that's the Wall Street Journal. Oh, okay, fine. You're always wondering why the LA Times have published you. As soon as I saw the word God in the headline, I just assumed what the LA Times is publishing the, I was the Wall Street Journal. Okay. I would love to be published in the LA Times, believe me. But anyway, if you look at that article and dissect it, it actually, it really, it depends on how religious you are, how many children you actually bear. The conservative, what they call the Heridi population in Israel, are having 6.9 children per woman, which is an astronomical number, really. And it's very hard to have 9 tens of a child. I mean, that's an achievement in and of itself. I'm speaking to Dr. Robert Hamilton, he's a pediatrician in Santa Monica, he's written this terrific book, Seven Secrets of the Newborn, Secrets and Happy Surprises of the first year. You have a profession that I have to believe is one of the handful.

11:26And just, if I'm wrong, tell me I'm wrong, I don't care. You know that, you've heard, you've heard me speak. But it would seem to me, you have one of the few professions that is fairly happy every day. Is that right? That's very true. I tell people that in terms, if you have to go out and get a job, I've got the best job in the world. I get to get up in the morning and get to go to hospitals and look at babies who were born the night before. I pick them up, I hold them, I show them to their mom and dad, their parents are abulliant, they're so delighted. And it's really a happy time of life. I mean, remember, I mean, I remember back when we were having children, what a joy, and what an incredible sense of hope and purpose you have when you have a child. So I'm dealing with young people who are in that phase of their life, when they're having children. And I get to, listen, I get to watch them grow up. I kind of shepherd them, if you will, through their early childhood years, and you know,

12:28junior high high school, I eventually have to kick them out of the practice when they get taller than me and bigger than me and are going to college. But I get to go through that whole process with families and it's a real tremendous joy. Yeah, I remember my pediatrician bonded with my kids. I mean, it's a big deal. Seven secrets of the newborn, Dr. Robert Hamilton, one eight-prayer, seven seven six. This episode of Timeless Wisdom will continue right after this. For nearly 3,000 years, Homer's The Iliad has shaped the Western imagination. As one of the foundation awards of Western literature, it explores permanent questions about honor, courage, leadership, friendship, justice, and what it means to live a noble life. In one of the epic defining moments, Achilles returns to battle after the death of his beloved friend, Patroclus, setting aside his wounded pride to confront the responsibilities that come with greatness.

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14:31And is it, let's see, Hillsdale time? That right? Thank you on behalf of the show, on behalf of the U.S. behalf of Hillsdale. My guest is written a remarkable book, Seven Secrets of the Newborn. He's a pediatrician in practice for well over five years now. Plus 25. Yeah. Yeah. That's simply means he knows what he's doing. His patients love him for good reason. And he has written this book now, which is the best seller actually, Seven Secrets of the Newborn. Secrets and happy surprises of the first year up at Dennis Prager.com. So when I speak to young people, it is apparent that an inversion of all of history has taken place. Children are now regarded by vast numbers of Americans as impediments to happiness.

15:37That is very true. And it is true because they don't know. They've been told that they, yes, there are children bring a lot of work. If you talk to any of my young parents, they'll tell you, yes, we're up all night. We do a lot, you know, we have diapers, we have food, we have to change them. We can do that. We take them here and they get sick. There are a lot of things, but interestingly enough, Dennis, in preparation for this interview, I, yesterday I was having, like, I was interviewing my patients. And I looked, I held up their child and said, what has this child brought to your life? And some of them with tears in their eyes said, number one was joy. Joy. Number two, just laughter and happiness. Another guy said purpose. Another woman said everything. I'm not sure what you meant by everything, but everything. And so when you actually begin to have children, when they actually come into your life and

16:37you realize that, of course, they're work. Of course, we all know that. But when you begin to realize the blessing and the joy and the delight and how children light up virtually every room that they walk into, they begin to kind of go, wow, we didn't know this. I've had women really, truly in their mid-30s, have their first child, which is becoming more and more common. And they come into my office and look, I talked to my patients. They know who I am and what I'm up to and I get to know them. And I say, tell me about this. You're 35 and some of them literally look at me and say, why didn't anybody tell me? Why was I mistaken about children and the blessing and how much they changed your life in a good way, in a good way? And children really do, they mature us. They take us out of ourself and if anything, and this is a good thing too, they bring us into the next generation. They thrust us by definition. We are, as a father, I'm concerned about 20 years now, 20 years from now, what will

17:41be happening? Yep. That's a very good point. You think in that way. Do you know young women who are opting not to have children or obviously they're not going to come to your practice, but do you know them at all in life? I do. I do. I do. I know a couple of them, some of them sadly have the way life has gone. They've been married, they're divorced or whatever, and they've gone beyond their years where they can have children. And they've come to that point where they said, I don't want children. Okay. There aren't too many that I'm aware of that actively, actively in their early 20s, mid-20s, unless some kind of terrible dysfunction has happened in the family, say, I never want to have children. I know they're out there because I read, like you read, but I don't run into them. You know, Dr. Bob, I was with a woman. I announced this on the radio this week. I met a woman just recently at a, at a, I'll just say a certain get together.

18:44So I frequently ask young women, in fact, I'll ask them how old are you? So she turns out she was 34. And I asked her, are you married? No. And do you want to get married? And then she gave the answer that most troubles me. And that is, oh, if you know, if somebody comes around, you know, that'll be fine. But I'm preoccupied with my career, her career being acting, which is particularly dangerous because very few people ever make it in acting, just the nature of the beast as it were. But the reason I'm telling you this is what really fascinated me is the woman goes to church every Sunday. And I asked on the air, maybe you, you're a church goer. So tell me, is our Christian church is not advocating marriage? Any, is it an unspoken issue?

19:44It was certainly in our church we, we talk about marriage all the time. We have a lot of young people. We have a lot of children in our congregation. So in our congregation, we, we do talk about marriage. And whatever reason though, there are plenty of congregations and they can be conservative and more to, you know, more liberal in their theology who are not really getting up there and saying we need to, we need to have children. We want, we want to even need to get married. Let's start with that. I, let's start with that. Yeah, exactly. It isn't, it isn't happening. And I'll tell you what it is. It represents really a, you know, we're acclimatizing ourselves to the culture. And that is happening in churches throughout the country. We kind of look at the culture is kind of leading the church rather than the church leading the culture. Today, if you meet a woman who's 25, 25, not 20, 25 married and has a child, she is the outlier.

20:45She would be the outlier. Yes. Absolutely. This is brand new in American history. It really is. Definitely in urban America. In rural America is still happening. It happens all the time. But I have those kind of people, by the way. I have a, I have a handful in my practice, who are relatively young mothers. I look at them and I ask them. And I say this, I say, where did you get your common sense? Because I want to know what is the motive, you know, what is it about them? That is a great question. Where did you get your common sense? And then they say, oh, listen to the dentist, pray for sure. And he goes, really, me too. I listen to Prager Topia every night. Yes. All right, back in a moment, the book, Seven Secrets of the Newborn. This episode of Timeless Wisdom will continue right after this. Dave Roberts here. There you are, surrounded by fans, sharing wings, sharing drinks, high-fiving random strangers. Everybody remembers the game. Nobody remembers the guy coughing behind you until a few days later.

21:47At 2 a.m., you wake up with the fever and your throat's on fire. Now what? Care, clothes, ER, slam, telehealth, maybe, but the pharmacy's clothes. You needed a medical emergency kit. These aren't first aid kits. They contain essential prescriptions used for over 30 common conditions, sinus and ear infection, UTI, stomach bug, travelers diaria and more. On hand before you need them. Use your doctor-developed guidebook to select the right prescription or call their telemedicine doctor standing by. It's like an urgent care and drugstore at home. When you're sick, traveling or stranded, you'll wish you ordered a medical emergency kit. Order online in minutes and it's shipped to your door and say $45 with my promo code blue at urgentcarekit.com slash blue. That's promo code blue at urgentcarekit.com slash blue. Now back to more of Dennis Preggers, Timeless Wisdom. All right, speaking to a thoughtful and highly acclaimed pediatrician, Dr. Robert Hamilton,

22:49pediatrician and Santa Monica, California. The book is done really well and it could really touch your life. Seven secrets of the newborn secrets and happy surprises of the first year. Give me a happy surprise. Tell me one. I've had one year olds. What's a happy surprise? Well, happy, one great happy surprise. I found as I read, research a book was at the point of conception. There's a flash of light. And so when the ovum and the sperm actually unite and usually happens in the fallopian tube, there's actually an influx of calcium ions into that zygote. And there is an exit of zinc ions and that zinc exit causes there to be literally a spark. There's a little flash of light that happens. That's not a surprise. Everybody listening knew that. Give me a break. Zinc ions, how often Sean mentions that?

23:51In fact, instead of saying which it turned the light on, he said just a little zinc ion, Dennis. So you know, when you think about this, this has been going on, Dennis, for the millennium. And you know, I think about this. I think this is like a little thing that God has looked at and said, you know, let there be light, let there be life. And it kind of goes, it kind of like one of those things that you kind of go, wow, this has been going on forever. That flash of light, that kind of enunciation, if you will, of new life. So let me ask you about the first year. How I'm not asking a cliche question. I really, I want to know the answer. How much of us is formed in the first year? Well, that's a great question. I would say this. When you think about the first year of life, you think about a newborn baby. They're kind of this highly dependent little lump of human, humanness. Very sophisticated, by the way. You don't know it, but when you actually look at them, I'd be glad you realize that

24:53they're pretty together. And you think about a one year old child. What are they doing? Well, a one year old child is walking. They're intensely curious. They're beginning to, to babble. They're talking, maybe a word or two. And they're relatively coordinated with their hands, or you can actually feed themself. And you think about the progression from that newborn infant, who is laying there, hardly able to lift up their head, and a one year old child, it is an incredible, incredible year in terms of development. Now, brain-wise, what is happening in the brain is literally this electrical storm. The synapses are forming between the neurons. Thanks, by the way, we're born with about 100 billion neurons in our brain. That is equal to the stars in Milky Way. This is an astounding number. And points along the in-utero development, we're actually making 250,000 neurons every minute.

25:57These are amazing, amazing numbers. Really? That is amazing. Amazing numbers. And you think about that we have to realize that that zygote, we just talked about that, that uniting of the ovum and the sperm together, that zygote in nine months is going to be a breathing, living little baby who's crying for food and suckling on the mother, and pushing up. They have relatively good strength, even as a newborn. What's your theory, and what age do they know that they are they, and not an extension of their mother, let's say? I think that's probably around three months of age. Is that already? It really is. I have this, if you read my book, I actually say that three months is my favorite age. And people would say, why is that? Because it's just kind of, what about, you know, 10 years of age, 11? Three months, I'll tell you why. They're finally over that fussy period where they're going, as they're groaning and moaning all the time.

26:59And I actually think, this is just me making this up. I think by three months of age they've forgiven their mother, forgiving them birth. I kind of don't think that's adorable. That is truly adorable. I think that they're, I think they're rebelling for the first three months in their life. That's my theory. The kid comes out of the womb. I didn't want to leave. I didn't, you know, I didn't ask to be conceived. Right. Once conceived, I didn't ask to be exited. That's it. It really is true. At about three months of age they finally have, you know, decided that they're part of the human race. And they're willing to kind of go with it. And they become, you know, much more delightful. Mothers on their, for their part, are feeling a little bit better about themselves. They're beginning to get a little sleep and their weight is going down a lot of factors. So anyway, that is my favorite age. Three months. Well, if it's a pediatrician's favorite age, then it's a big deal. Dr. Robert Hamilton is book is seven, not the seven secrets of the newborn secrets

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29:13Dennis Prager here, having a ball with Dr. Robert Hamilton, book seven secrets of the Newborn, which even if you don't have a Newborn in the house, it's just illuminating. And he has an infectious way of delivering his thinking. He has been a pediatrician since the Ulysses grant era. And so he really does have a lot of expertise. I mean, that's a serious period of time. He has 11 great, great grandchildren. He's actually one of the younger looking experienced pediatricians that you'll ever meet. The book, again, seven secrets of the Newborn. So we're talking about parents as well as kids here. So back to the parents. What's your take? And I know you want to be careful because obviously these are patients or might be patients.

30:14So without even referencing, and of course not referencing any of your patients, do you think it is legitimate to be concerned about what is called the helicopter parent? This is a new phenomenon. And the helicopter parent by definition is that parent who is literally hovering over their child 24-7, arranging their schedule, making sure they're getting to their French classes and their ballet and their soccer and their karate and it goes on and on. And children don't have a break. And that is a phenomenon of our wealth, the fact that they can do that number one. And also as a function of the fact that the mothers don't have a lot of children. They have one child. Oh, what a great point. I hate it when I didn't think of a great point. And I tell people if you really want to get over your anxiety, have about five more children.

31:16That's right, of course. You don't have time to be anxious. That is such an... I meant so the moment you said it, I realized that. You can't be a helicopter over five years. I actually didn't actually think you need five helicopters. You're right. Anyway, so that's what I tell people. The helicopter phenomenon, you kind of have too much time on your hand. I want to say for the record, my parents raised me as if they had 12 kids. My parents were helicopter parents in the sense that the helicopter was always being repaired. And I thank God for it. Thank God for that. Yes, I learned to be independent. Yes, that's exactly right. You have a thing in here about strangers. I just want to say, my first son, I was the director of a retreat center. So a thousand people would come up on the weekends.

32:16So my son was touched in his first year by about a thousand people. I mean, that's not true. Never got sick. He probably developed antibodies. He did. I mean, and what does he do now? He's a professional fundraiser because he deals so well with people. That people hide kids from strangers or tell them, don't talk to strangers. It is hurting the child. I mean, I'm editorializing. You're the doctor. Go ahead. Well, if you're referring to a stranger anxiety, I mean, young children love people. They really do. But there is a funny thing that happens when children, a second half of their first year, they have this thing called a stranger anxiety. So people who are not their mom and their dad or people very close to them, they have a reaction to them, which is usually crying and screaming and wanting to get away from them. And embarrassing for the parents because they go, oh, he's such a good baby.

33:18But every time grandma who's from Florida shows up, he has a complete fit when grandma tries to hold him, which is embarrassing for the family. Of course, grandma feels kind of bad about that too. I just want to say, from the Prager family, lore, you will like this. You just reminded me. I don't think I ever mentioned this on the radio. They would have never been a reason to. My older brother, almost six years older than I. So this proceeds my birth. But it is said that whenever our beloved and buddy came, he threw up. I can't tell you how sad. I felt for Ed buddy hearing this. This is what we just said. They literally have a, almost a out of body experience. And they terrified. They're screaming and they do not want to be held by end. Right.

34:18To show you how, how weird I am, I preferred strangers. I had family anxiety. I loved strangers. But you must see the course of what you could, it's very funny. I was going to say you could write a book. I realized by Gali, he did seven secrets of the, why did you title it's secrets? I think the people are, I mean, look, I'm trying to sell books to this. And so I think the people are intrigued by the word secret. They kind of go, what could it be? You know, and they maybe they'll be apt to pick up this book. Oh, I see. So it's a marketing technique. So it's really insights, seven insights. Okay, you can put it that way. No, it's only books, but you can put it that way. No, no, no, I'm simply defining it for the audience. What it really is is seven insights. You're correct in this. Yeah, you're correct. No, no, I think that's great. I'll change the title. No, no, don't change the title.

35:18I think it's a great title, but I was, I love the your honesty. It just is better. You know, I agree with you. We all know the importance of titles. I think we have a former patient of yours here who's now a 42 year old man. Christian in Lakewood, California. Hi. Hello, Dennis. First of all, you guys are comedy gold. It's wonderful. Dr. Hamilton, I can't believe it. I ran into one of your wonderful videos of the hold for newborns when you put that out in 2015. And I was just amazed how wonderful you're doing and the work you're doing in Africa. My, yes, my, myself and my siblings, Claudia and Benjamin were just patients and to the life of me, I don't understand why I'm not bringing my five, my five and four year old to his practice because he's the most wonderful, just the most warm and wonderful man. I think I can. Yeah, he wondered that too.

36:20He said to me during a break, you know, there was this guy, if I Christian the living in Lakewood, doesn't bring his kids. Thank you. You're very kind, Christian. I thank you for your kind words. This episode of Timeless Wisdom will continue right after this. Here's something most people don't know. When Warren Buffett was just 13 years old, he didn't put his money into a savings account. While other kids were earning next to nothing at local banks, Buffett put $114 into a little known investment. Today, that $114 would be worth over $15 million and it wasn't a risky trade, it wasn't even insider knowledge. It was an account that's been around since 1888 and over the last 25 years, it's averaged 29% a year. That's what happens when your money is allowed to compound. Compare that to today's savings accounts, paying less than half a percent while inflation quietly eats away at your buying power. Buffett understood early, banks are great businesses, just not for savers.

37:22If you'd like to see what some investors call the 29% account, go now to account29.com. That's account, the numbers 2 9 dot com. Again, account29 dot com. Now, back to more of Dennis Priggers, Timeless Wisdom. Hi, my friends, final segment here with Dr. Robert Hamilton, seven secrets of the newborn. And he's a good man and a good doctor and a good writer. Well, there's a woman calling in who comes from a family of 12 children. She's double yours. So I'm going to talk there for a second.

38:23I love this account. Hi, Mary and St. Louis Park, Minnesota. Hi. Hello, Dennis. It's such a pleasure to pass, Bill. Thank you. I'm not, I come from the family of 12. My parents just used to be so sorry to get emotional. My mother just recently died. But it would tell her, I'll be trying to let you try it. I'm sorry, I feel terrible. I couldn't make out a lot of that except that she broke up in tears over her mom. I'm sorry, I just, it's a bad connection. I wish I could take you more. What is the largest family that I would think in Santa Monica? It's pretty rare to have more than two. So have you had anything more than six? We have, I've had one, I know this is in my entire career of nine.

39:23That was it. And nine, I know. Mind you, this, there were, your friends was actually become, your friends over time because people who have six children don't have any friends other than people who have, you know, six or more people. Because nobody wants to invite them to their home. But anyway, they were a family, they began with three. They had triplets right out of the gate. Boom. Wait, were they on some fertility medicine? No, this was a natural three. That's amazing. Just a natural three. So this family had three, so they were kind of the head of everybody right from the very beginning, right? And then they had a set of twins and then they had, then you got up to five, then they had four of those singletons. All of them amazing young kids. But that was, that's pretty rare. I have another, our pastor has eight children. And I have a couple other family friends who have seven, six. But you look, the majority of people in Santa Monica, like I say, have like two.

40:25Yes, I would understand. Anyway folks, the book, seven secrets of the newborn, it is up at DennisPregor.com, more power to you, Robert Hamilton. You deserve great deal of success with the book. Thank you. Thank you, Dennis. Tomorrow, untimeless wisdom with DennisPregor. I have always said that the biggest obstacle to happiness is human nature, human nature itself and specifically that it's insatiable. No, that human nature is insatiable and can never be fully satisfied. Whatever it is we want, we want more of. Many love, fame, power, sex, whatever it is you want, excitement, whatever it is. And that's built into us. It is built in by God or by nature or by both. However, having said that, once you leave the built in obstacles to happiness, I for the first time, I think that I might be able to isolate what for many people.

41:28I can't say all, but for perhaps the majority of people aside from human nature, what I think the greatest obstacle to happiness. Join us tomorrow to hear more untimeless wisdom with DennisPregor. Visit DennisPregor.com for thousands of hours of Dennis' luxurious courses in classic radio programs and to purchase DennisPregor's rational Bibles. We want to take just a second to thank the team at Life Audio for their partnership with us on the podcast. Go to lifeaudio.com to find dozens of other Faith Center podcasts and their network, including shows about prayer, Bible study, parody, and more.