When Calls the Heart - S13E09 - Lost and Found Again

0:00This is a Bramblejam podcast. Hi, I'm Bran and I love Wind Calls the Hearts. Hi, I'm Jacks and I like Wind Calls the Hearts. I'm Dan but is anyone thought about Mounty Jack? And this is Deco Market! I like the home market since podcast. We're then in front of this podcast. We hope you like this dolly podcast. Just get the stuff there. This is Dr. Homework Podcast? Maybe. I don't know. That's a fun thing. I was trying to figure out that guy got the job because of a street interview Josh Safdie did. He was just interviewing people on the street. The conversation that you're having with Jack. And that's for the people that are listening to people. Welcome to Deco Homework everybody.

1:01You're just coming into it. This is Deco Homework Podcast. This is Deco Homework Podcast. Honestly, not wrong. No, it is. That's what it is. Hello everybody. Welcome back to Deco Homework Covering Wind Calls the Hearts. We are on season 13 episode 9 which means we only have three episodes left but then our next journey to Hope Valley begins with 1893 Hope Valley. Is that it? Let's call it 1893. That's the one. I think so. Yeah. I am hopeful that it's going to be. Of course you are. Listen. You know, you know what? It's been airs. It is different. We're getting rid of all the every difference. I like kind of this idea of maybe a little bit of like a, like Wind Calls the Hearts season one was a little darker, a little grittier. It was. And maybe we'll get that out of this one. You know what?

2:01I will say. I like Chelsea Hobbs. I'm excited. I love Chelsea Hobbs. We love Chelsea Hobbs. I think she is a gem of a human being and nectar. And I can't wait to see your shine in this. I think there's a lot. There's a lot to hope positively for. I mean, with those leads, it can't help, but like at least start off better than what we're doing right now. Right. Well, I will say this to the, this is an interesting thing because Wind Calls the Heart is obviously evolved over time to be what it is now. Like season one is kind of like its own thing. And then they change everything from the way that they talk to the way that they dress to all of that's like they just change to what the show becomes. And I feel like this show might, because they're starting from scratch, it can kind of be whatever they want it to be from the beginning. Where it's not like hope that like Wind Calls the Heart where it's based off of a thing already.

3:01And so you're trying to honor the source material and all that stuff. Like this is a same universe, but starting from scratch. Yeah. Pretty cool. I mean, I'm intrigued. Jack, so we had a great time hanging out with you in New York. We watched some of survivor 50 premiere Dan watched it. Yeah. We had a great time. It was really fun watching it with the two of you because Bran were three stands and Dan is not. That's right. At this point, I'm not. I said right before we started recording this, which I will give you some background on like the Josh Shabtor conversation. If I see her like actively successfully manipulating folks and them not know it to get what she wants and do it to great success, then I will change my mind about her. What I saw of her in the three hour premiere was not that at all. But didn't her lashes look incredible? Well, yeah. I mean, come on. What's your what's your survivor Mount Rushmore?

4:03Oh, so it's a re part. So reason you're about Rushmore. Oh, yes. She's like my favorite player. Well, I want to date part. So like that's tricky. Yeah. But three. I understand. Yeah. Oh, my. The opportunity presents itself. Sorry. Yeah. Definitely. And she got a cute little hair. Kind of cute little bob. But again, three. Parf Sandra. Yeah. And then honestly, it's, it's kind of tricky. Rob's not near it. Not Rob's not a surefire Mount Rushmore. No, there are no Jews on my Mount Rushmore. Natalie from the Natalie was just in traders. Not the Natalie that was in the Blackwood Obergade. What's your survivor Mount Rushmore? Parf. Sorry. Yeah.

5:03Rob is on mine. Of course. I struggle with the fourth. It's a lot more about that. Well, I think obviously Sandra makes sense. Is she in the field? But I wrestle. No, she's not. I wrestle with, she's won twice. I wrestle with that style of gameplay. That's very passive for almost the entirety of the show. I wrestle with how impressive that is. She's done it twice though. So it's hard to, but if I'm picking double winners of games that I think is more impressive, I'm picking Tony. Like the fact that Tony can do what he did and do it twice is more impressive to me from a style of play than what's Sandra. I knew that Tony in a spy shack. I don't love Tony, but I'm just like if I'm talking about double winners, the fact that he could do that crazy style of play and win twice to me is more impressive than the way that she won twice. I hear that. Yeah. I just kind of love her thing of like, I'll go whichever way it just belongs is not me.

6:06And to be able to do that through the game, I actually think is maybe next level strategy because people run around thinking they're strategizing and they shoot themselves in the foot. And really to just be like, she always knows which way the vote's going to go and she's always on the right side. Yeah, simple. I'm not, I don't just, I don't fully disagree. I just wrestle with it. That's all I've said. So wait, who's the fortune? Do you have a part if if Sandra's it's either Sandra or Tony and then it's Rob Parvin. Surrey. Surrey. Yeah. Probably. I would go to one of those two time winners. Who were you draft? Who did you draft for the draft is six players? Who are they? I'll tell you right now. I was making the merge podcast. You know, you can listen. But I would love to hear now. So I know all these people. So I went with a lot of what I would consider to be under the radar players. Players. Yes, if you will. Well, players that I think are strategic, but maybe not in your face. Not people that you think of first. So I drafted Chrissy, who I think maybe said one line.

7:08I don't know Chrissy and I watched the whole episode. Tiff, who is a new era player that probably shouldn't have been invited on 50. And so I think for that reason she's going to go far. Joe, because he's a, he's a new era player, but he's the honor and integrity guy, but not in the way that coaches. Like he, he made it to the end literally with it. Like he was so like, I'm not voting anybody out. That's a part of my alliance. And it made him get him to the finals. And I think a lot of players want to play with a guy like Joe. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Emily, who I think is just really smart and great. I, I drafted Colby laid in the draft. And I think if one of those old guys could do it, I think there's a, I think there's a chance. And then I drafted Savannah because she was my player. And I love Savannah. Yeah. I like Savannah a lot too, even though she told us she won. She won last season. So there's that. But I still stand behind it. That was the best move because I do think the other person from her season is also going to make the merge.

8:08You're putting a lot of trust and Rizzo at that point in time to like tell the same exact story. And he has no reason to do that. We just, Rizzo knows that she won this because it's not like they haven't counted the okay. Yeah. No, Rizzo knows. Rizzo was there. He was in the jury. He was in. Yes. Well, you know, like for a while, they would like be there and then they would film the lives. Yeah. They don't do that anymore. But I think they're doing it for 50. Oh, wow. Yeah. 50s back to life. Can we get tickets? How do we do that? You don't know if you won until way later. Yeah. It was months. So they filmed this. This is eight months old now. I do think though that they all like at the point you talk. There were a lot of things. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. You're just in group chat. Bygones are bygones. So you know if you're winning. Yeah. Yeah. All right. We're talking about one cost. Of course we are. What else would we be talking about? We're not stalling. We're doing it. This one is 13 season 13 episode 9. It is called memories. Okay.

9:08I see how you got there. Yeah. You're going memories as well. Like that. It's a cat. Lost and found again. Lost and found again. I see. Yeah. March 1st, 2026. So almost a 2027, which was a really weird thing. Usually I go back. No, it's the first time I think I've ever gone far. We will still be doing it here from now. We sure will. Don't worry. And it went a little something like this. At school a little bit tells the kids that the Benz and Hill kids will be returning home soon. They're pissed. They don't want to go home. Lee goes to Lucas's office with bad news. Funds for the Benz and Hill's rebuild have been relocated. Relocated? Relocated? Relocated? Reallocated. Reallocated. If you will. Or relocated. You know what? Lucas promises to look into it. Elizabeth, Nathan Alley, LJ, if you will. Or hanging out when LJ pulls Nathan aside and says, I've got bad news.

10:12I've lost my dad's method that I've kept in my jacket pocket forever. He promises to help him find it. Elizabeth is talking to Rosemary and Lee about the schoolhouse situation and she has an idea. What if we let the kids kind of help come up with the design for the new schoolhouse? That way they'll be excited about it. Trick them into being excited about it. It's the best way. Lucas calls Edie and Edie tells them about her new job and why she left without saying goodbye. She didn't feel like there was anything reason to say goodbye. He asked if he could, you know, ask her for some advice on this funding situation. Nathan Bill and Oliver go out on a serious mountain mission. Searching for the medal. They cannot find it. So, job well done by the mountains. Lee shows up and tells the students that he needs their help designing the new school and they are pumped. Lucas and Edie talks some more about what to do about the funding and they work together on writing up a proposal. This might take all night.

11:13What? To help LJ learn more about his dead dad, Elizabeth Nathan Alley. They take LJ on a scavenger hunt to hear stories about Jack. It all leads to grandma Charlotte showing up and she reads them a letter from his dad that was written before. He was even married talking about how the greatest joys in his life will be in a mountain. Maybe one day getting married and then having a son. Boy, it's right. Oh baby boy. I have a son. Alley is talking to Oliver and she asks Oliver to, hey, do you maybe know where I could find some of Mounty Jack's old case files? Like a show LJ. He's like, I freaking love those. Case files? I love them. That's a good case file. She shows it to Charlotte and she loves it and asks if she can hold on to it for a little bit. What do you think about Charlotte? Luke is an edier on the phone. They're working on the proposal. Luke is begins to tell edie how he regrets how things ended between them.

12:14She awkwardly ends the call. At the schoolhouse, the kids are presenting their ideas for the schoolhouse. Ruperts, I had a look at what his name was, and Opel steals the show. Roman. Roman. Open concept schoolhouse. Library in the middle. Luke is loves it and tells them that he wants to take these plans to the committee. At dinner, Charlotte shows Alley what she's come up with. She created a little Southern based off these case files. She's bounded and made them into a book with illustrations. It's pretty cool. They show it to L.J. L.J. loves it and begins to read the story and we all love it. And that my friends was when it calls the hard season 13 episode 9. Lost it. Found it again. We did it. I'll let's take a break. We'll come back. We'll break these episodes down. These episodes that go on our podcast.

13:14These episodes. These episodes. I'm not written stimpy over here. We're back. Hi everybody. Welcome back. We're called the hard season 13 episode 9. Let's break this down. What's Jack's doing over there on her phone. What's she doing? Sorry I got a new video of my niece and I was trying to just watch it with that. Yeah, you got to watch it without the sound. It doesn't matter what brand saying. Sorry everybody. It's good. It doesn't matter. I was looking up my notes and then it came through. Well just know. I'm about to kick it to you for the hot tech. I'm so ready. All right, we're going to start with the hot techs. We're sure exactly how you fight about a 7 so we do hold back and I'll start with you, Jacks. Jax, lost and found again. Has the show found its footing again? Oh my God. So good. Thank you. Brihan, I don't know if it's true that we don't hold back. I'm going to hold back a little. Hold back a little? It's fine. Do it, Karen. Here's, here's what I will say. Scav de Ron. Yes. I mean, no, no, no, this is this is genuine. This is genuine scab. I mean, everything's genuine,

14:19but I do like the idea of a scavenger hunt. I actually got many parts of this. We're really sweet. We'll get to the weird parts in a second. It's a dead dead scavenger hunt. It's a dead dead scavenger hunt. I mean, but we're sharing all these beautiful memories and awesome thing about buying it, which I really love. Edie and Lucas, I mean, we'll get more into that in another segment. So I'll leave it there. But Ula-la loving that. Of course, the one blessed moment that I got with Gwen, but there wasn't much. Okay. All right. Is it going to smell? Calm down, Gwen. But I love how she pulled it off. Yeah. Yeah. Well, of course. She pulled it off. You want to put us on a barn? Yeah. She was like, what? She pulled it off. Rosemary talking about Jack and remembering their history. That was fine. Jack Wagner being a prisoner, yes, loving all this. I think that it a lot of the stuff that happened during this

15:22scavenger hunt though felt weird. And let me tell you, let me just, I just feel like, look, little Jack is how old is he? Nine seven. Somewhere four to nine. LJ. We need that full book story. Read a book. So is he five? No, he's probably seven to nine. Yeah. He's seven to nine years old. He's been, she had him not reading that book. Six seasons ago, Lucas had already been calling him little buddy. He was tall. You're right. He's about eight probably. So he's about eight. Okay, let's say he's about it. Okay, so everyone's talk, not everyone, that's not true. There are a few people that are talking to him like he's a puppy. And it's wild. I will, it's faith. It's his mother and it's Ali. And I, I don't talk to my nieces or children this way. I don't even talk to animals this way. And I'm

16:27pretty, I like to think of myself as a very bargain basement Miss Rachel. Like I adore her. And even the way Miss Rachel talks to kids is like, hi, friends. And it's, but it's still genuine. I felt like they were condescending to LJ. And it was really weird. Yeah, but 100% I picked up on that. I had a feeling of hearing. I'll say this. I'll say this. When I got the pages for this, for this episode, in particular, your boy, your boy wish pumps because for the first time ever. Okay. I get an episode basically all to myself. Yeah. Yeah, it's finally. Yeah. And then I start frolic and across time. And people are like, oh, looking for a little baby, Jack. I'm not baby, Jack. I'm LJ. Talk to me like a man, please. So you're, you're, you're, you're, by your own admission, you're like 30 years old. That's right. Yes. Am I third? And you looked at what you do. I mean, that's right. You get patronized from time to time. All the time. Yes. Okay. So were you, are you, are you, you shouldn't? Were you upset that they brought that

17:31in on to the screen? Yes. Okay. And I asked them, I asked, I brought a lot of changes to the table of heat. And people didn't like it. Okay. What did they say? No, too, I'll tell you know, well, let's say that. So I was fine. If they want, if they want faith to talk down to me, that's fine. But let me smoke a cigarette. You wanted to smoke a cigarette. Let me smoke a cigarette because that's how I would handle it in real life. Ho Valley, notorious for being the only town in 1921 with no one smoking cigarettes. Trust me. They want to let the child like a trying on my part. Okay. Got it. Thank you for trying to bring that authenticity into that. It's a little bit between takes you, you, you, you rip and but honestly, sometimes when they're doing my over the shoulders. Yeah. You buy small little wheels. If you look close enough. Yeah. Okay. All right. Honey, honey, honey, honey bear. Yes. Yeah. Um, I think we need to get you one of those nicotine patches. And I'm not trying to be judgmental. It's just not great for you, especially at your age. I'm in my 30s. I'm fine. All right. Right. You've been doing it for years. And that means that

18:37you're, you're long sir. Yeah. It's probably not good for you, but if I make it to 60, it's a miracle. And I've come to terms with that. And you should. Two jacks. If I make it to. No, miracle. Oh, you for me. Not because you're going to live long time. Thank you so much. You do. One CBD got me a month. You're going to be fine. You're going to live long time. Me live long time. I'm going to go. Bye guys. I got. It was something that was so, that was, so they're patronizing the child. And I agree with you, jacks 100%. So it's upsetting. And it's hard to look at overshadowed. I think would be a very fun scavenger hunt culminating in broke shields. Are you kidding me? Like, this should be, this should be all around a slam dunk for me, but because of the way some people talk to him, it was hard part. Yeah. Well, I was double wrong. I thought we were done with broke shields for the season. I thought we were done with the for the season. Yeah, I feared that we were done. Yeah. So I'm glad that that that part is not true.

19:43Um, are you done? Yeah. Hey, are you done? Are you done? Are you done? Yeah. I actually thought it was sweet that you asked. I'm done. Yeah. Um, so this is an interesting episode of Winkles the Heart. I, I, you know, this episode does something that I can't really think of any other maybe one or two other episodes of Winkles the Heart does, which is really focusing on one storyline for 20 straight minutes, right? Which is scavenger hunt. Typically, Winkles the Heart is bouncing around between three or four story lines. We have a little something here. And that's how the episode starts, right? We have a little thing with the school. He loses his locket. He, he, they're doing the schoolhouse thing. There's Lucas. And then we get the scavenger hunt. And it is nonstop scavenger hunt for like 15 minutes. And, uh, I didn't like it. It, it, it, it was jarring. And it made that

20:51all the things that you said, the, uh, jacks about the scavenger hunt to me were amplified by the fact that it just kept happening. It was, it was to faith, to lead, to go back, to back, to back, to back. It was nonstop in it. Uh, I didn't like it. I know I know why they do it on this show. The way that they do it. Because when they don't, when it's just one drawn out thing, it's like, there's something about this that's unnerving. And I don't like it. And so I don't really know what to think about this. I was like, I don't, I don't hate the idea of the scavenger hunts. Um, you know, the, the Lee, I'm sorry, the, uh, Lucas, Edie phone call stuff was fantastic. So there's elements of this episode that I really like, but the structure of it and some of the things that happened along the way rubbed me the wrong way. And so, uh, an interesting episode of one calls to hard. Dan. Yeah. They're, you know, there's, there's a way to tell a story on television that allows the baton to pass or to honor a dead character in a way that is not

21:58manipulative. That is pleasing to the audience and that works as a television program. And when calls the heart is still yet to find it. And they are trying to find it. I swear to you, if we have one more episode saying we promise we swear we love Jack, but it's okay to move on. I'm going to lose my mind and they're handling it with the tack of a wily coyote hammer that there is just how many episodes over the last five years have been some version of this is the Mounty Jack hurdle we have to clear. And this one is easily the most patronizing of all of them. None of that work for me. None of the dead dead scavenger hunt work for me at all. Dan, didn't you want Brooke Shields to tell Nathan again that he's better than her son was? I mean, listen, Brooke Shields, sometimes she can't sleep at night. She's so excited to tell people how terrible her son is. She was up. She's called what you don't see is she calls.

23:02Just remind Nathan on the phone. You're better than my son. She like, yeah, that was a wild use of Brooke Shields to culminate this with like the the closer of this is better than a metal is having all of these memories of that. This should be a very sweet story. It should be a very sweet, easily accessible. Pop in if you've not seen the show before this kid lost his father and life is moving on. How do we honor his memory? This should be an absolute softball pitch home run. No brainer. And instead it is just a saccharine slog of tactless emotions overacted by everyone on the screen. It's awful. And I say all that to say, and I'll say that so jacks doesn't have to, but I'll say that to say the Nathan, the Lucas, excuse me, could have been Nathan, the Lucas Edie storyline of this episode. Maybe my favorite thing they've done. I'll see you for a number of reasons. I thought that

24:07then being on the phone together all night, some of those reaction shots, some of the comedy of it, some of the like will they won't they? I thought was really, really good. But as you said, brand that was a bit that was the probably the C storyline of the week. And the A storyline of the week was the capital A storyline of the week. And so it took up the lion's share of the time. And it was really hard to watch. I just don't know what else we need to do guys. Like if you're not going to bring ghost jack back, then don't do anymore with Jack. I think we've got it. Show a picture in the background and let us all know or remind us all that you've covered your bases. Elizabeth can marry Nathan. We all agree. It can happen. We're all on board. No one is upset. Go move forward. I'm upset about it. Okay. Well, what would make you feel better? I heard go back to Lucas. Okay. No, no, no, that's different. Okay. The point is she's moved on and she can marry. No, I'm in that boat too. I would love. I would love for her to go back to Lucas.

25:14My heart can't take it. Did Edie and Lucas like go even further on the phone and then Edie comes back to town and Lucas is kissing Elizabeth. Are you kidding me right now? I mean, talk about maybe the best episode of their history. They're having that phone conversation. And Elizabeth is listening through the door. Like she was about to drop something off, but she hears and she's like, oh, my heart. And then she realizes, oh, I'm not fully over. Oh, man. Let's go. What'd you be here for? At this point, I would like to see that just to see the team Nathan, folks. No, they're brains explode. No, I can't. I love Edie too much. And I liked when Elizabeth said, it was like, thank you, governor. And he just like blew past her. I remember after that. I noticed he didn't even look at her. Now look, I think it's just what they showed us. And it's not intentional. But I was a little bit like, yeah, you don't get to have everything girlfriend. Hear me out. Hear me out. Do you think she said thank you, governor, and like a sexy way?

26:15No, no, no, it was more just like, oh, we've never been anything to each other. Thank you, governor. And he's like, yeah, okay. All right, whatever. Um, Shava, hear me out, jacks. Stay with me. Yes. The thing that that brand said about Elizabeth, here's the door that happens. And then, uh, uh, Luke, I just want to make sure you get this right. Lucas, uh, ends up with Elizabeth. And then Nathan and May Sue have something going on. No, Frickum heartbroken runs into Edie's arms. Yeah, and she holds him. She's big spoon. She's been. I don't hate it. I'm just saying. I just say hate it. Instead, you know, we get it's a dead dad scavenger hunt. Uh, it's time for all the fields where we're talking about what this, uh, so give us feels, Jack. Yeah, uh, yeah, when, okay, so as soon as when Edie and we just run the volume, little jacks, little jacks, L L J. Go ahead, I'll say this. What LJ is about to say is going to be my fields as well.

27:20I can already see. And I'm so excited because I wait. Are you serious? I loved this bit so much. Go ahead. Oh, wait, maybe it's not. It's when as soon as they were talking on the phone, and I literally felt my heart go like baboon, baboon when he was like the generous support and she's like crucial support. And I was like, oh, I wasn't that just kidding, wasn't that? That was a great moment for you. Yeah, I'm dying to know what you're this. And then when I was down, crucial instead of generous, you know what I mean? I know when that started, I was like, this is going to be good. And I just thought that it was so fine watching them get to do this together. And then of course, when Brooke Shields illustrated the book, my heart went better. But there were, there were fields. Well, for all of the like, I mean, there was a time, it's not happening right now, but there was a time when Elizabeth and Nathan had like this very crazy physical chemistry that was like, okay, guys, we get it. We understand. But what Lucas and Edie have on that phone conversation? It's up there. I'm just telling you.

28:23It's brain chemistry. And it is hot and popping. It's crucial. Someone said, my, my, my feels was a gallon once again. Gowing is here. Looks great. Looks great. And then after, you know, doing the thing about how I used to, I, you know, I killed a lot of people and, you know, your dad really helped me. Because I killed him. He to Nathan, I believe on the way out. He's like, thank you for letting me be a part of this. And to me, what I heard there is thank you for letting me be a part of this episode. I heard it. I felt it to which I say to him, you're welcome. And if it was up to me, there'd be more where that came from. If it was up to me, God, Daddy Gowing would be the star of this program. And you know, maybe that happens next year with Abigail coming back into town. Maybe we get more Daddy Gowing. Wait, you said, sorry, you said Daddy Gowing. And I just thought, wouldn't it be a great to do a remake of Paper Moon with Daddy Gowing and Gwen? Or wouldn't that

29:26have been a beautiful story? Yeah, for sure. Like, and she's just Gwen. I'm sorry, you said that. I just got excited because we're bringing such vulnerability and pay those, pay those, pay those. Yeah, you know, by Gowing saying, thank you for letting me be a part of this. While looking right at the camera, I don't think he did, but in my memory of this scene, he looked right at the camera and said, thank you for letting me be on camera. The fields of this episode's Florence listening to this conversation. It's the best use of Florence. It was so funny that they're having this very intimate use of Florence. Hey, very intimate phone conversation. And initially she tries to hang up a couple times. And then by the end, she's literally eating a sandwich and Ned's like, what are you doing? And she's like, you leave me alone. Let me have this. Perfect. And he's like, I'm too busy thinking about that time I watched you run around. That's right. Yeah. Yeah, chasing your ass. Flailing. Oh, you know, that's what I think is romantic. Ned, you free. You free.

30:27Ned the freak. That's right. That's what they're going. But I will say, like, that was a, like, I didn't think when Calls the Hard had the ability to be that kind of endearingly funny. And they were in this episode. So as bad as the dead, dead scavenger hunt was, that's how good that Florence thing was. And I do, they need credit for it. It was good. And they got you back with that part. I don't know. They got me back. But they certainly, it was certainly back. We're taking a break. We'll be right back. It's a nice, oh my. Welcome back, everybody. Dan's back. I'm back, baby. Side it. Yeah. Only three more episodes left of Michael started season 13. It feels like we just started it for the way it was. So we're talking about one. And this episode may just go away. What? Jacks, I'll start with you. I only have one thing and it has to do with the patriarchy. The hat bed. Cut it later, friend. Cut it and clip it right now. It's perfect.

31:30That should be a go-to gift for everyone. I only have one thing and it has to do with the patriarchy. We'll put it. We'll put it in for merch next year. Oh, yeah. Save the gift just for comments. I, when we find out that and look, I bought, I can go all in on this letter that that even though, you know, Jack, big Jack, Mounty Jack, if you will, this letter about wanting to, you know, the love of a good woman, sure, that's fine. But looking into the eyes of his son, the fact that it didn't say child, I really, absolutely, really upset me because I think, look, would it still maybe be a weight what that this young man at the time who like men are even socialized different than women to not even think about this stuff as much? Would it be pretty unbelievable? Yeah, but look, I don't care. I would have gone with it. The fact that he said

32:32son, I don't know, it just, it really upset me because if that in that way, it's more about your legacy about wanting to have a boy. I don't know, all of it just felt like, you're one percent right. And Jack's, I guess what you're saying is, if I may, that it has a man, you may. Just kidding. What I, the way I understood that was, if you can have an insulin clinic in Hope Valley in 1921, then Jack can say he just wants a child. If you can have an insulin clinic in Hope Valley in 1921, then maybe dead Jack cannot be a hole. Maybe he can be excited about any child he's going to have and not just a boy. Yeah, could we try that? Like, could we have tried that? Crazy. I just was like, because it still would have meant a lot to L.J. anyway. Like it's, yeah. I know. I love that. What goes the heart that that was where they put their foot down. They're like,

33:33now, no, no, he wanted for the third name to continue. That's right. Onward via mail. When I look into the eyes of my 100% male son, who's the manliest of men that likes hunting and trucks, you know, you're dead. That finds out. One of us is locket thing. Yes. Is locket. When I, when my get metal. Sorry. Yeah. No, no, locket was sweet. I actually like these at that. Locket. Locket. Sweet. Um, I got to one, it's insane that the three Mount Dees in town are looking for this thing. Like, dude, I, a reminder, a reminder. There's an active investigation going on right now. They don't know where Christopher is. There's a serious thing going on with the electric company and the, uh, the insurance people and the cover up in Christopher's, the, the person we need

34:34to make all of this happen. Let's all go out by the, by the lake there to stream and see if we can find it. All three law enforcement officers are in the woods hunting down a metal. At the very least, you got to keep all either send Oliver and we have him be the one or let Oliver sit in the office so that it can say that they have someone on the case. Uh, you can't all three go out there. It's just bad look, bad, bad, bad look. Um, and then I got a kick out of the fact that the kids are out there, um, pushing for an open floor plan, like it's HDTV in 2018. Get out of here. You've seen a school house in, in the 20s. It's open. Yeah. I love that they say they're saying open floor plan while sitting in a room. Yeah. That's an open floor plan. As if it's some sort of like crazy. No one that is. Are you chipping Joanne again? Yeah. You go to school in the middle of the nowhere in 1921. Yeah. Give me a break with your open floor plan. Yeah. No, we'll leave a

35:37beam. We'll tear it down the walls. We'll leave the beam. Yeah. It'll be rust. It'll be rust. We're rust. We know we know Opal's still in school. Crazy. Somehow crazy. Opal went from keeping the uh, movie on budget to being back in school. Yeah. That's a great transition. I know I say it once a year, but Opal is a thousand years old. Guys, guys, ins, are you alright? Are you okay? Wait, you talk real quick, Jacks? She came. Well, you keep going, Dan, and I'll figure it out. I'll figure it out from here. You keep going, Dan. Okay. All right. You know, she said one second. You good? Yeah. You want me to go? Power through. All right. Cool. Opal is a thousand years old. Like, like, I don't know how she's still in school. She was on the first episode of the premiere of this television program. Uh, they're, they were, they were inspired by Rome for this school else. That's because she was there. Right. That, like, the, the fact that she's still in school and also

36:41interning the week before at the daily, big old planet or whatever it is is just insane to me. I don't, do you think somewhere along the way about six episodes in there were just like, hey, we haven't seen Opal in a while. What can we ever do? Right. Everything? Maybe everything. Maybe we should do that. Get her out there. You want to keep going? Keep going. Okay. Great. Um, when did Jack act in all of Rosemary's place? When did that occur? I don't know when it happens. That I don't know when it happens. That like she, Rosemary says that she used to make Jack act in all of her plays in list of few specifically. Yeah. Do we, I know that they used to date. Are we supposed to believe that Rosemary had him as the lead Jack and all those. Remember him being, I bet she was saying they grew up together in addition to dating. So that's why she, he did the plays when she was like, yeah, awesome. Yeah. You know, I'm thrilled that you loved what Brook Shields did to the story at the end.

37:45I couldn't get over the fact that at lunchtime, she said, Ali, can I have that story? And at dinner time, it was illustrated and bound. Um, that was something that couldn't happen in the year of our Lord 2026. But 105 years ago, the magic of Brook Shields is she takes some paper with typed words and she goes and she makes it a bound book with full illustrations in mere hours. Um, very impressive. An artist. Yeah. So she's drawing all of them and getting the book bound and then the size of paper changed. So all in an afternoon, right there in home valley, being afternoon, unbelievable. No, we don't, a brand I don't see a problem with this. No, impressive. How impressive was it? I mean, honestly, if there's anybody that could do it as Brook Shields. Exactly. That's what I always say. Am I to understand that the hold up with the school aside from the funding was the design? Like Lee was like, I've got the lumber, but I don't everybody designed this thing. Is that why they went to the good question, Dan, because it's like,

38:47how did like what did he just buy a bunch of lumber? And he goes, I know, nobody designed it. We're we're up the creek. Usually you do design first house and then go go to lumber. Yeah, you designed first. Yes. That's exactly right. He did the opposite. He said, bring it to the bring it to lumber. And lastly, I know that this is we trust everyone in this show implicitly, because they do the right thing always I get it. But Lee Coulter, who was or was the once-in-future mayor of Hope Valley, is he, is he not? He is the mayor. He is the mayor. At one point, the mayor of Hope Valley, who is running the construction company that is built rebuilding Benz and Hills, loses his funding. And so goes to the governor of the entire province who happens to be living in Hope Valley. And then is worried that funding might not come through. And so his wife, who runs the paper along with him, who runs the lumber company that is funding Benz and Hills and also is the mayor and runs the bar as well, says she's going to write a strongly worded op-ed about how the government isn't doing what her husband wants them to do. Maybe business people and politicians

39:49and media shouldn't all be under one roof. Maybe Paramount shouldn't acquire Warner Brothers. Maybe, maybe just maybe hear me out. We don't get a lot of integrity when one person can do all three of those things at once. Maybe we should feed mouths and not make billionaires more billionaires. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe is that crazy? Maybe it's crazy that Lee has vertically integrated politics, media and business to his own accord to his to his own like that's scary. I mean, we're we're at the whims. We are literally at the whims of Lee Colter right now. He could do whatever he wants to do. Thankfully, he's building a school because it could get real ugly out there. You know, I mean, and leave me trust. I guess. And leave me trust. And as long as Lee keeps putting out seasons of survivor, I'll be okay. But also, yeah, you know, Lee, it's all fun and games. And

40:51Lee is doing what's right by Gwen and everybody. But tomorrow if Lee wakes up and decides he wants to 10 commandments in every schoolhouse, we could have a problem on our hands. You know what I mean? I don't think it's you think, yeah, I don't know. Maybe maybe he will. I think he'll just make everyone participate in a school play. But the point is maybe he won't, but the next guy will. Yeah. Absolute power. Crubs. Absolutely. Well, the good news is he doesn't have a boy. So really, the line stops with him. Thank goodness. This is not going to be an hot go against you. It's up for hopes of values. We were talking about what in this episode gave us hope for the future and or is bumming us out. Jacks. So hopeful. Yes. Edie and Lucas is continuing romance. And my valley is to see Oliver and Allie is continuing romance. This is great, great, great, great points. This is an interesting one. I guess I'm going to put it

41:54on the valley because I don't actually think it's possible for when goes the hard to do what I'm about to say. But I think they are setting it up for us to say goodbye to all the bends and hell kids. Something that they've never done. They've never brought in characters. And they've been like, you don't want to go back to their own, which was another way what we miss with these children. Don't want to go home. You know, this is an over stuff show. There's too many characters. We talked about how can we be bringing in more kids when, you know, Opal, we get an episode a year, but there's a world, you know, they're setting it up. They're setting it up to where these kids next year. We won't see these kids again. We won't see Rupert again. We won't see Gwen again. So that's sad because we love Gwen. But dude, does is when calls the heart actually going to introduce characters to us for one season and then get rid of them? I don't know. We're Jesse in the face.

42:54We're just doing how long was the couple seasons? The fate, because the fate, the face had, I want to say the face of two or three seasons, but I might be wrong. Yeah. I could look it up. Dan hopes, Valice. Yeah. I mean, you know, I'm just, I'm here. Here's home. We'll get fined. I don't, I don't want it. I don't want to do this anymore, but we're here and we're doing it. And I, I am here just for Lucas and Edie at this point. That's why I'm here. And as long as we get more of that content, then I think that I'll be okay. Jesse the face. Boy, this is crazy. Jesse the face was on seasons three through eight. No, he wasn't. No. I don't think they're going to do it. Jesse, the face could stick around three to eight. They're not going to introduce us to Gwen and be like, have a good day, Gwen. So you never going to enjoy your new open concept school. It's not happening. Dan, do we have a what's called my heart? You know, we do brand email us. We got what we still have one spot left. Hello, Dr. Hallmark. Big finale episode.

43:58The episode. No, but we're going to keep it going for 1793. We are going to keep it going for 1793. So just keep sending those emails in JK about that one left. Do you remember we had an email from a mom or who and her daughter who she called Hornet? Yes. I remember this. I remember Hornet. Do you remember this? Absolutely Hornet has written us an email. Big update email from Hornet. Greetings podcast guys. It's Hornet. Again, this time I'm actually the one typing the letter. I really enjoyed hearing you read our letter the first time, though I haven't quite caught up enough to hear you read it the second time. Yeah, we read it the second time by mistake if you forgot. I especially liked hearing Trace say, I love Hornet, knowing that she absolutely has no idea about the video game characters. It was very funny. I don't know what that means. You know, what Hornet? Neither do we. We also don't know about Hornet. I have just finished my online college classes and will graduate in May with an associate's degree in creative writing. I plan to be an editor. I don't know if I mentioned this in our previous letter, but my mom and I like to

45:00watch as many bad Dracula movies as we can during Halloween. I sometimes say have jokingly that we could make a podcast out of that similar to deck the hallmarked but for cheap Halloween movies. I don't know what Hornet will never will. I'll listen. Absolutely. I relate to Brian the most out of the three usual podcast hosts. I know that the whole thing about Brian being a terrible person is just a bit and usually I can appreciate the joke. But at the same time, I feel a lot of sympathy for Brian being misunderstood and having things he says misinterpret it. Hold on. Brian, Brian. Brian in the other room. Brian, are you Hornet? Are you Hornet? Brian. That doesn't sound like something. Sometimes I feel like why do you even have Brian on the podcast if you aren't going to treat his opinions as valid? Brian, get in here. Get in here. Brian, get in here. You got to get in here. But then I remember that Brian and Dan make a different variation of those same jokes with each other. And I'm glad that Brian is on the podcast because when I can remind myself that it's a joke, huh? I enjoy seeing a variety of perspectives and that

46:00there can be more than one right opinion on these silly movies, Brian. Brian, how do you feel about that? That's touching. Oh, wait, it's not on. You're not that was that was on purpose actually. This is what we're talking about. It's still it's still not on. It's still not on. It's still not on. If you could get out of here. Wait, no, it sounds good. Jack's that gum. I know. I know. I couldn't let you do it because you know what? I'm a Brian stand up. Go ahead, Brian, whenever you're ready. Oh, we're ready. We want to say Hornet. This is what we're talking about, right? This is the exact thing. Thanks, Hornet. That was very heartwarming. I don't know. I didn't expect that when I woke up this morning. I'm out of love from Hornet. I mean, it depends on how you read it because there's one version of this where she just says sometimes I feel like why do we even have Brian on the podcast. That's funny because that's how I took it too, but I'm going to go with the she does continue if yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She she thinks you do a great job. I appreciate that so much. Yeah. That's right. So I'm going to use this one on convincing myself. Go ahead, Brian. That's good. But I love you. Yeah. I don't worry. You're trying so wonderful that you guys Hornet continues. I greatly appreciate you guys giving me permission

47:02to skip episodes. That's taking a lot of pressure off of me and it shows that you're understanding people. I enjoy your content, but that's a lot of episodes and in addition to avoiding the rare episodes that stress me out, I no longer feel like I'm obligated to listen to them in all in order. This is a very fun podcast and that's how it should be. If I had to catch up and listen to everything, I would feel very daunted. I was interesting. Hornet is I think Hornet must have skipped the episode where we no longer said that was okay. We've actually gone back on that. If you don't let me do this Hornet skip the episodes. I was just supporting to learn that the brain loss is Christmas spirit bit just sort of ended over time instead of getting a real finale joke happening here Hornet. The good thing Hornet is that I would love to tell you that's a bit. It isn't. We just accept to the fact that brain doesn't really love Christmas and it's all a facade. I have to really carry the actual Christmas spirit around here. As soon as the camera stopped rolling, I'm like trying to get everybody to sing a carol. I'm baking Christmas cookies. I'm, you know, brain is over here just like a real curmudgeon. So that's not a bit. That's why there was a finale joke is because, you know, bits end at the sand. That's my phone. He's holding

48:05on my phone. It's crazy. He's holding up my phone Hornet. It's crazy that he would do that. So then what are you reading on tablet? I was imagining that it would end with an episode intro in which Brandon says that he hates Hallmark movies and Dan says he loves Hallmark movies. I hope you don't take this as a criticism or dislike as I've already stated. I really like this podcast, but I'm a nerd. I write fan fictions and alternating universes for my favorite media. It's my way of engaging with that media. The fact that I came up with an addition alternate ending to one of your bits is just me having fun with something that I like sincerely Hornet. PS, here's myself and my mom as Hornet and Hera from Hollow Knight. That's where we got our pin names from. Oh, very nice. So cool Hornet. Thanks for the email. We really appreciate it. You 100% can skip episodes and brand has lost his Christmas spirit. Those things I know for sure. And I love fan fiction. I used to write principally in fan fiction. I think I've mentioned on the positive Hornet. It was pretty good. It actually wasn't good, but it got me through

49:10some things. But Hornet, I would love to read your fan fiction. It's right. Absolutely. You know, anything there? That's just cool. I love Jack's. Jacks are great. Jacks is the best. Okay, we're going to be back tomorrow. Another episode coming back for that and tell them the first to wish you a Merry Christmas. And that's your hate Christmas like me and then don't have Christmas. I told you. I told you Hornet. He thought his mic was off. Take the Homer's of Bramble Jam Podcast. Take the Homer dot com. At deck the home marks where you can find us on the socials. Bramble Jam Plus dot com's the best corner of the internet, cool Facebook group. Live video watch along. Movie chats. Ad free podcasting so much more and leave us a rating and review on Apple podcasts to help others find this amazing pop. Okay, bye. Bye. You're about to hear some ads that help you to the lights on here in the old studio. Thanks for listening or don't listen. It's really up to you at this point. It's at the end of the show. I mean, you're listening to me. Hi. But here they come. I promised to come. Yep.

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