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Folks I said happy spring because we have just changed and we are now in the spring equinox

Which will help the weather change and probably people's attitudes

People usually wake up and get excited in spring

We are getting rid of the grey dingy winter

And it is always wonderful to watch the weather change

Oh my goodness it changes how about that

And change it has especially with President Trump

Who actually went to school when science was taught

And learned that carbon dioxide is necessary for life

Not a poisonous gas

There are many gases that we need for our life

But carbon dioxide is probably the most important as it is in everything we do

President Trump has made some wonderful changes

And I say that he has gotten us out of the what if era

What does that mean?

Well if we go back and we look at some of Obama's policies

They were not real policies

What he did was have NOAA

Or the other agencies plug things into the computer in a what if scenario

And then come back and say oh you got to live by that

Because this is what is going to happen making a gospel instead of what if

And the perfect example of that is the fishing industry as I live in Florida

And many, many little fishing village towns were closed

Because recreational fishing was almost out of existence especially the red snappers

And I remember working with several captains and they said Karen the way it works is they go to the computer and they say

What if we lost 100,000 pounds of red snapper what would happen?

Oh my goodness we would have red snapper they would be an endangered species

Well Obama came back and said guess what folks red snapper is an endangered species

And therefore you can't fish for it anymore

And we're going to close the fishing industry for red snapper

And you can only go for two weekends a year for red snapper fishing

Well we were living by what if policies and that never works

So I have asked a good friend of the show Sterling Burnett from the Hartland Institute

Who is also the director of the Arthur V. Robinson Center on climate and environmental policies

He has studied that to join me today and let us go through some of the new things that President Trump has done

That will help us in the future Sterling thank you so much for joining me it's always wonderful to have you on the show

I always enjoy it thanks for having me back yeah we live in exciting times

Yes we certainly do one of the things that I think people are very confused about was what started the ball rolling

And that was called the Chevron Deference Act but it was the Chevron Deference

What is that what are all these words what do they mean and how did that affect us and change things and change the way we think

Well Chevron Deference it actually wasn't an act it wasn't an act of Congress it was a court ruling

In the case in a case called I think it was Chevron might have been Chevron the EPA but I'm not sure

In that case it was a matter of science that was a question and Chevron was suing the overturned decision

And the courts had decided how they had to decide how to decide you know the science was being tested

And so the courts made a ruling and they they deferred to the EPA's authority

And at the time the Supreme Court upheld that saying yeah look courts are not scientific bodies

And so we deferred to the ruling agencies unless they have science that is demonstrably way out of the mainstream

You should assume that they're doing what is right

Now that ruling lasted for was basically the powerful ruling for two decades controlling ruling over numerous cases

Cases would come up didn't have to be oil and gas it could be any kind of case

But if an agency made a ruling often the court would say well they'd they'd refer it Chevron the Chevron case and say we're deferring to the agency because the Supreme Court said this is what you're supposed to do if the science is contested

Unless something really unusual you know unless they're using really really bad science

Well that Chevron difference is no more the courts the Supreme Court a few years back

Actually I think during early Biden maybe let late Trump they a case came before them and they said we've gone too far with the Chevron difference

You really do need to make some kind of determinations as to whether the science that they are referencing is justified

You can't just defer just because the agency says it doesn't mean they're using the best science you should have some demonstrations some evidence

They should have to present some evidence right in saying we will we say it's good science

And so Chevron difference is no more that's important

Because now courts you're able to go into court and say not just say well yeah the agency said this but it's like no look here's the science

The agency is saying this and it's wrong because the science says it's wrong you can't just defer to what the agency says the science says

Well that's quite interesting especially when we know how corrupt the agencies are and they're being paid off by the people who want that particular policy in place like no carbon dioxide how wrong was that one

Well yeah that's it you know it's like the agencies people talk about corruption other being paid I don't think it's payment

Because the agency gets paid by the federal government what it is is power it's mission creeped by the agencies

The EPA get pick your off by the agency I don't want to pick just on the EPA the Forest Service Department of Education

Health and Human Services they were all created to solve a problem

Whether you think the federal government should have been in the business of solving those particular problems you know whether you think the Constitution allows it we can debate that

But they were created to solve a problem not a single one of them not one has ever solved the problem that they were created to solve

Instead rather than solving that problem they have had mission creeped

Instead of focusing all the researchers on solving the problem they were meant to solve they have found other problems that they say need solving

And so they asked for bigger budgets and more power and that's what that's what happened you know you mentioned CO2

The endangerment finding that that's one of the big things the biggest thing well maybe not the biggest thing

I think the biggest thing Trump has done to briefly diverge is he got us out of 60 different treaties and agreements international agreements

All in one fell swoop more than 60 I think it was 66 on a single day back in mid-February

The greatest single seizure of US sovereignty back from the UN and other international agencies in my lifetime

He said no longer will these international agencies be able to tell us or dictate to us what standards we should have for all sorts of things

And one of the things he got us out of was the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change

Which all these climate treaties and all the funding that we've given to the UN for climate change

That's gone that's over Trump did that in one day

Since then the biggest thing he's done and this is the biggest domestic policy issue is he's rescinded the what's called the endangerment finding

And I don't want to stall you off if you have further questions but I'll go I'll go into that if you want me to

Please do because this is very important that we understand what his policy changes mean and how they will affect us

Okay I just wanted to give you a chance to get a question because it's a little a little complicated

So back in 2007 Massachusetts sued the federal government wanting to force them to update automobile standards for greenhouse gas emissions

Because greenhouse gas emissions were not regulated under the various statutes from automobile

Well greenhouse gases at all weren't regulated under a clean air actor any statute

This was tail pop emissions from automobiles

And Massachusetts said you're not imposing restrictions on automobiles tail pop emissions for CO2 and other greenhouse gases

And we think you should under the clean air

And the Bush administration that's who was in power at the time

They said no we don't think we have the authority under the Clean Air Act to regulate tail pop emissions for CO2

We got other gases and we regulate those but not CO2

And the Supreme Court in a ruling said wait a minute it was a contested ruling it's five to four ruling

And the majority's found that anything that is emitted into the air by humans is a pollutant

So when you exhale a CO2 you exhale is a pollutant

The water vapor you put into the air is a pollutant

Get that water bit clouds

I'm just thinking clouds how is that a pollutant?

clouds anybody but it's anything humans emit and they said we have an expansive reading of the Clean Air Act

You're supposed to regulate and make air clean not just regulate those those chemicals that the Clean Air Act specifies you get to regulate

And so we say you have the power to regulate CO2 if you find it in dangerous human healthy environment

The Bush administration basically pointed they said no we're not going to do that

We don't we'll study it we'll see we'll see what's in there but then Obama comes in and Obama comes in and the first year in his EPA says oh we find it in dangerous CO2

In dangerous human healthy environment now we have all this new power

And they they didn't do an independent review of the science what they did is said oh well the UN intergovernmental panel on climate change says it's in danger

It's a danger to us not that it is a pollutant in the traditional sense you breathe it if you breathe it in you're not dying

It has to be much much higher levels in the environment before it's toxic human beings or animals it for that matter

But because of climate change is causing dangerous climate change long term now the Clean Air Act wasn't meant to look at broad issues

It was meant to look at emissions from power plants that or other factories that affect people's health today

Not 200 years from now not indirectly 200 years from now because it might cause the seas to rise

It was this is making people sick now and it was making people sick in identical people in identifiable areas we actually have control over

So it wasn't meant to regulate it wasn't problems in Africa it was meant to prevent health problems in Pittsburgh for instance

So but the EPA saw this is a great way to expand its power

They issued the endangerment finding and that's how we got to regulate automobile emissions

Now we've been fighting over that ever since it's been tied up in court back and forth we gave California the right to set stricter standards

We were putting the auto industry out of out of business but once it was on the books as people like myself predicted

If it applies to automobile standards it would also apply to factories and power plants and of course that's precisely where Obama went

With his clean power plant shutting down coal and he told you when he ran for office to be fair Obama did not lie

Obama ran and he said we're going to put a coal plant out of business you investing coal you're going to go out of business

Prices are going to have to go higher because we're fighting climate change he said that and when he got into power that's precisely what he did

And he used the endangerment finding to justify it

The thing that always got me was that they never said as you just said this is going to help you today

This is going to be for 30 years from now or 40 years from now knowing full well that the people in charge will never be around

And if it doesn't work like the majority like all of the things that they told us never work

Who remembers 30 years ago that our air was supposed to be cleaned 30 years from now

So they do things that are on purpose that make no sense

Yeah well but no it makes perfect sense if what you're really trying to do is expand the power of government

If you want if you're a bureaucrat and you want more levels of bureaucracy you want higher funding you want promotions and you want more power over people

Over industries you really don't understand these guys at the EPA they've never run a successful company

But they think they can tell you how to run yours

So for them it makes perfect sense for us it's destroying the economy

It's limiting economic growth is making things every bit more expensive

One of the reasons we have what we call the affordability crisis today is all these regulations which are just hidden taxes imposed upon the economy

Yeah I don't think people realize what that actually did to the automobile they had to make them lighter which of course made them less safe

So you're doing one thing but then it affects something else and makes the situation worse instead of better

Lighter, smaller, except what happened was you know this is the funny thing

People figure out workarounds right?

So at one time in this country back in the 70s there was a vehicle that was fairly common it was called the station wagon

A long car with multiple rows of seats and room in the back for storage

And it disappeared largely disappeared for about 20 years it's some of its back now but you don't see them like you used to

But at the same time you didn't have something back in the 70s called a minivan or you just had a couple SUVs but they weren't called that

They were called work utility vehicles

You had a couple of them that had already come out the international harvester scout was the first

I think the Ford Bronco was the second maybe the Chevy Blazer and the Jeep Wagoneer

But they were just coming online many vans hadn't even been discovered

Christopher produced the first minivan why?

Well because they were large and they were categorized not as cars but like trucks so they had a different fuel economy standard

So they could get fewer miles per gallon without having to pay a tax

And so many vans took off in popularity and so did SUVs

So in one sense the clean air laws for automobiles created a whole new class of vehicles that replaced the sedan

There's a reason why so many auto companies don't even make large sedans anymore

People start buying SUVs why they wanted the comfort of a sedan but they couldn't get it at an affordable price

Because the taxes on it under the cafe standards well

EPA tried to foreclose that loophole with the CO2 standards that they applied across the board

They treated like trucks and cars the same

Visa piece to year two

Right and what I remember what I remember is when they started taking away those really comfortable sedans

And replaced them with little Volkswagen beetles

And we were supposed to instead of being on a trip and enjoying the comfort of your car

You were crammed and forced to sit in a particular way that was all uncomfortable that you didn't want to drive

Maybe that was the whole thing

Well, that of course probably was as they they they wanted to end automobile automobility the freedom

That Americans have almost uniquely to travel where they won't when they want the automobile because it's affordable and cheap

One second I got to let my dog out

Okay

Dog

Yes and I remember as a child when we used to drive up to our summer cabin

One of the things I enjoyed the most was being able to stretch out on the back seat

And my sister wasn't sitting on top of me so I didn't have a reason to yell at her

But it happened on long trips

We used to have a car called a Chrysler Newport they haven't made it a long time

But I don't know if you remember car sedans back then

So you had the back seat but then you had sort of a shelf behind the back seat a little area

Behind the back seat that you could set things on or you could even lay on

And we used to go to drive in and what my brother would lay up there because a little bit more smaller

And I'd lay in the seat and we fall asleep on my mom and dad were watching the movie

But you could do that in a sedan. The thing the thing that people wanted

The government decided that you should care that the main thing you should care about is how many miles per gallon your car gets

And if you care about that, that's fine

But the government shouldn't be dictating that that's your sole concern

Most people cared about whether your car had power to merge onto the freeway at a reasonable amount of space

How comfortable it was, how safe it was

There were a lot of things people cared about that had nothing whatsoever to do and overrode their concern for fuel economy

And that was, and the proof of that, the proof of that was that as they ratcheted up fuel economy standards

More and more people left automobiles and went to SUVs or pickup trucks

When we were young, Karen, pickup trucks had a single bench seat and a bed

You didn't have double wide cabs with bucket seats, seating for five or six

Before you had the double wide, you then had a little bench seat in the back seat that were on the sides

You would sit, you had a little, you chose me space with two little fold down seats in the back behind the front seat

But they folded down from the side so your legs were inward as opposed to forward

And then they went to big king cabs

Where you basically had the room of a sedan and the comforts of a sedan

Why?

People still wanted the utility and the comfort of a big car and trucks gave them that

Whereas modern cars, people had to get squeezed into smaller and smaller, less safe, less powerful cars

That you couldn't put the soccer team in or the baseball team in when I was a kid with baseball team

That you couldn't take everyone to a birthday party, you know, you couldn't do that in a small car

But you could pile them all into the minivan

Exactly

So that's how it came about

And the CO2 emission rule was just a step farther down that road

It didn't put you in ever larger vehicles because they started to be regulated like car cars

It puts you in electric cars or hybrids

Right, and then when you're driving along the highway and I think of i10

That's the one that I use the most

And you see these little tiny putt putts that remind me of golf carts

Next to these huge humongous 18 wheelers

God forbid there's an accident that car is a goner no matter what

So what safety did they help us?

They didn't again, and that's where I say they don't want us to have cars

They didn't want us to have cars

Like I said, it was never about safety, it was always about power for the regulator

And the endangement finding was the ultimate expansion of power for regulators

Because if they can regulate CO2, the very air you exhale

They can regulate the entire economy because everything everything we do

Involves committing CO2 from farming to plastics manufacturing

For the hospital gear you got to your computer laptop to your cell phone

To what you drive to transportation

It puts them in everything

It puts them in the driver's seat

It puts them in the driver's seat

And let's all that thought because we have to come up on a break

And we have a lot more to discuss so sterling

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Folks, if you're not familiar with the Heartland Institute and with the writings of Sterling Burnett

You should because they have some of the most incredible pieces and wonderful authors

So please check them out. Sterling, I understand that you're having an event coming up shortly

Yep, on April 8th and 9th in Washington, DC at the Hotel Washington

We're hosting our 16th International Conference on Climate Change

We've got some partners, CO2 Coalition, CFAC, what's up with that? They're co-hosting the event

But we've been doing this for, I was going to say 16 years, it's more than 16 years but it's 16 events

And we gather the top scientific, economic and policy authorities who take a realist point of view on the science

And at this coming conference, things have changed with the Trump administration

And so this conference has a little bit more of a positive outlook than some of the past conferences has

We're going to have one panel that's all about bringing youth into the climate-realist movement

With some young people who started out on one side of the climate debate and wound up on our side

Basically they looked at the data and they said the world isn't doomed and we shouldn't be telling generations of kids

That they're dying and it's their parents fault

We've got a panel on people from industry who actually have been affected by the regulations

And then we've got a number of scientific panels that are talking about bad predictions that have been made in the past

Based on climate models, problems with accounting for clouds, problems with the temperature station data from the surface

All sorts of discussions, we have a Nobel Prize winner that we'll be speaking

And we have Lee Zeldin, administrator of Trump's Environmental Protection Agency who will lead off the conference with a plenary presentation

We're also going to have the governor of West Virginia, Patrick Morrissey

So we've got some pretty prominent people coming to talk to 200 or so people about the world is not coming to an end

Drive what you want, hopefully you'll be paying less for goods and services going forward

Because we're going to get the affordability crisis center to control. Once we get government out of the business of dictating what kind of energy you use

Yeah, that is a biggie because that's the one to me that affects everything

And Obama said if you are interested in investing in coal, we're going to put you out of business

I said prices are going to go up because coal and amazingly enough, the coal-fired plants are so much cleaner

That they're hardly putting any pollutants if at all into the atmosphere

So rather than looking at the industry and saying clean yourself up, they said, oh, what if so we're going to get rid of you

And that to me was the ultimate of control because I believe that whoever controls the power controls the country, whoever controls the food controls the people

And they were looking at country first

You said something that I thought was incredibly important and that is the effect of these policies on our economy

What did that do to us?

Well, it's slow economic growth and for some periods of time it actually decimated economic growth

It made housing prices a lot higher

You got to have noticed that your housing prices went up

Well, that's because all the goods that go into housing, your metals for your fittings, your wood for your framing, your concrete

It's all more expensive now, why?

Because the fuel used to log, to cut, to form concrete

All of that fuel was gone up, all the transportation costs had gone up

Your energy costs have gone up because they have mandated wind and solar, which A is more expensive and B doesn't work on the time

So you've got power plants sitting around part of the day doing nothing and then being asked to ramp up at a very, very short period of time to supply power when the wind's not blowing or the sun's not shining

Absolutely

I want to, this is a very interesting thing that happened to me

I applied for in Florida, there were grants that were issued as a result of all of the hurricanes that we had

The area that I live in is not what is considered a high impact area

Meaning that we can have regular windows, we don't have to have the way overly expensive impact windows

Well, in order to get this grant, I was told that I have to put in those expensive impact windows because that's what the grant focused on

Now that added another $5,000 to the cost of my windows that make absolutely no sense because I am not in an area where I would get 200 mile and hour winds

And if I did, the whole area would be devastated and there wouldn't be anything anybody could do about it

So what they have done with these regulations is they have they're making no sense at all

And instead of improving on the goods goods that we have and making them satisfactory and functional

They say no, you have to change it and have high impact windows for example

When regular windows would have suffice

So adding onto the price of housing, you're absolutely right, makes the house cost so much more that it becomes cost prohibitive in order to be able to even build that house

Well here in Texas, so we've got coal here in Texas, we had power plants where you'd mind the coal and you'd ship it up a shoot and go straight to the power plant, on site power plants

But we have a lot of natural gas and oil, you may have heard that Texas has some oil

So we have plenty of energy here in Texas, but the powers that be said, oh you've got to have wind, oh you've got to have solar

Well you build wind out in west Texas where no one needs the power

So then you have to build thousands and thousands of miles of transmission lines, new transmission lines

To bring the power from where the wind turbines are built to the cities where they say they need the power

The problem is they built the turbines before they built the line, so you had these turbines spinning and providing no power to anyone

So they ladle all they transmission costs for the wind on the rate payers

As opposed to making the power company that built their wind out there paid for the waters

Then they say, oh you know you need solar, and so they're building these solar farms here where we're putting one in the rooftops

And so on a hot center day in Texas, first off the solar panels lose power because it's too hot

The electrons don't work very well, if it goes above 78 degrees in Texas, we routinely sit above 95 to 97 degrees in the summer

Hundreds, hundreds not unnormal, but even if not it only gets down to 80

But you've got these solar panels, right? And so you've got solar panels here

But we also have something else common in Texas besides heat and sun, hail storms and tornadoes

And do you know what doesn't do with hail storms and tornadoes solar facilities?

And so they build these facilities for parts of the day, they're providing almost all the power for Texas

They say, oh it's cheaper than you know, it's almost free

And then night comes, but the coal plant that existed

Well, it can't work just part of the day, it's like a hotel

And they say, well part of the week you can have 80% occupancy, but the other part of the week is going to be like 20%

You go out of business as a hotel if you've got 20% occupancy regularly

In a restaurant, if you don't have patrons, if you don't have 80% of your tables filled most of the time

You'll go out of business pretty quick

Well that's what they were doing to coal plants, they were shutting down coal plants

Because they couldn't compete with solar on the sunny days

But then when the solar went away or a hail storm came through, there was no power

So all of a sudden we had to pay huge amounts of power for peaker plants

Which are natural gas plants to come online at short notice with high gas prices

And it wasn't the gas plants fault, they have to sit around with the gas on the pipelines ready to ramp up

They're sitting around just like the coal plants were, but they can go up and down

So our prices, 10 years ago, Texas had the lowest power prices in our region

And they had been going down under competition

With the addition of wind and solar, we now have the fastest rising prices in our region

And the highest prices in our region

And they say, oh, wind and solar are cheap

Well, not in Evans on my power ability

No, and then they put instead of saying this is really the cost of electricity

They'll say, well, we have this fee and we have this charge

And we have this extra and we have this universal whatever

And all of a sudden you're paying $30, $40 extra in fees and charges

And it has nothing to do with the power when really that's what it is

Well, yeah, an honest labeling fee in Texas would require a line item that says

This is how much we're taking from you to build power lines for wind turbines

In power, you're actually not using because you're not in Austin

But you're paying for this

It's a long thing, but if they were honestly labeling power, that's what they'd be doing

They're talking about building a power line now that's going to add another 20 to $40 to our bill

To run power lines to West Texas oil fields

Not because there's a huge population boom

In the West Texas oil fields, but because they want to build wind turbines out there

That's insane

Yeah, well, I'm sorry

That's almost as insane as that's almost as insane of driving over the highways

And seeing where there used to be gorgeous orchards and citrus fields

And tomato plants and fabulous produce

And instead we're seeing solar farm after solar farm after solar farm

And I don't know about you, but I don't like the taste of solar panels

Yeah, well, I don't

I've stopped calling them farms. I call them industrial facilities

Because when you label them farms, it sounds like something good

Instead, what they are is they should be treated like any other industrial factory or power plant

Most people don't think power most people think industrial facilities are pretty unsightly

They really don't want one in their neighborhood

But farms, oh, we like farms, so I'm trying to be more careful with my language

I think that's a good thing. I think industrial waste facilities

Because that's what they are. They're wasting the facilities

And then they'd say, well, we'll get our food from Mexico

We'll get our food from quite a mile or Honduras without taking into consideration

How does it get here?

And what pesticides do they use down there that we don't use here?

Exactly

What are the labor standards down there as opposed to here?

And whether the most important thing they're not thinking to count is

Is it really a good thing to be offshoring our food supply?

Well, ask how that worked out during COVID when we off short all our manufacturing for drugs

Yeah, I don't think that's a good idea

Yeah, I don't think it's a good idea

So yeah, if we want to buy fruit from Guatemala, I've got nothing against that

But if we can grow it here, why not grow it here?

And instead of subsidizing solar, we should be subsidizing farmers

I'm not sure that

I'm not in favor of subsidies, but I do know what the weather does due to the farming

But I also know that if we produce, the people will buy it

And now people are asking more where is this coming from

And of course, you have to be careful, folks, because one of the things that they stop doing

And I noticed that with beef is they stopped saying country of origin on the beef

So it's coming from Mexico or Canada or the US

And we have no idea where it's really coming from

So if you're in an area where you can buy anything local, go visit the farmer that you're going to buy from

And make a deal with the farmer because you'll find that the food is a lot better quality

Let's talk, let's talk for just a second if we could about the perversity of the energy policy

That puts Russian gas over US gas

So under Obama, the states in the Northeast, particularly Massachusetts, they said

They've got natural gas up there in northwestern Pennsylvania, in upstate New York

In Pennsylvania, they're drilling for gas in oil

And they want to build pipelines to Massachusetts, to Boston, to New York, to other places, to Maryland

And those states said no, no, no, we don't want any pipelines

Natural gas is bad, yeah, it's produced domestically, but it's bad

It's bad for climate change, we won't win in solar and hydro from Canada, which is where they're getting a lot of their power now

Because it's better to pay Canadians than it is to pay Americans

So anyway, they stopped these pipelines from being built

And then the winner came in Massachusetts, and they needed energy

And they couldn't get energy from their hydro, their wind, and their solar

And so what do they do? They didn't get gas from Pennsylvania because it had no way of getting to Massachusetts

They shut down the pipelines

What they did is they imported gas from Russia

Yeah, we powered Putin's war machine

The governor of Massachusetts, the mayor of Boston, powered Putin's war machine as they complain about Putin's war machine

But they powered it, they fed it, they funded it

By importing Russian gas rather than getting gas from Pennsylvania

Well, that makes a lot of sense

And those are the people that the DEI hired

That those are our DEI hired

At one time the power system was designed by engineers, and it was built for two things

Because every state controlled its own power system, the federal government hadn't gotten involved to make things cheaper

And the power, the utility commissions had two charges

Make power reliable and make power affordable

And those were their two charges

Now, so it was designed by engineers to do just that and it worked

Now power systems are increasingly designed by politicians who aren't engineers for goals other than affordability and reliability

And you get what we have now, unaffordable power, unreliable power, more breakdowns than ever before in history

And politicians running on affordability, not climate change anymore

But when they get in power, like the governor of the new governors of Virginia and New Jersey who ran on affordability

The Democrats made their power unaffordable

They made their power unreliable

And then that Democrats came in and said

Oh, we're going to solve the crisis, not mentioning they were the ones that called the crisis

And what are their solutions?

The same policies that made power unaffordable in the first place

So they're doubling down on bad policies

Well, that sounds very familiar aren't they doing the same thing in California?

They shut down all of the power and the gas stations are now closing

Truckers can't get fuel

From what I read, the ports are filling up with containers that can't be removed because they have no fuel to get the container ships

To get them out of loaded

And then they can't have truckers because they have these standards that you'll go out of business and you're trucking company if you try to implement them

So California is now bringing in fuel from the Caribbean

Yeah, it has to be shipped

And it has to be shipped to California

And then they sit back and say I wonder why our gas is $10 a gallon

Yeah, why do we can't afford houses?

Couldn't have anything to do with the mandate that all new houses have to be built with solar panels adding $30,000 to the cost of an already too expensive oil

That solar panels that by the way when the next wildfire mudslider earthquake comes will be non-functional

So but you won't have a power supply to back them up because you'll shut down all the power plants

They're shutting down their last refinery

The the the air commission in California

Basically pass rules that made refineries in California shut down

Once the last refinery was starting to shut down, Gavin Newsom said, oh, oh, please stay open

But stay open under those rules

They said we can't stay open under those rules

And so they shut down so now they're importing all this this refined fuel

It's not just oil they're pumping in from overseas

Because they don't want any drilling any offshore there they could be getting it

California has huge reserves, but you can't get to it under their rules

So they're importing energy and every greater amounts if you if you like

What's happening in California with loss of population with loss of businesses just elect Gavin Newsom as president

Because this guy every summer they have power outages not occasionally every summer they have power outages

Because of their energy mandates

And so what's his solution they forced the nuclear power plants to close the last one's going to close

He allowed it to stay open on an emergency basis

It's not an emergency it's routine

It's routine

They allowed to stay over on emergency basis and then they begged it to stay open

They said you told us we have to shut down what we know we said that but now we take it back

I think he also subsidized it as well

Yeah, yeah, yeah, because they give you money so that you can meet the requirements

Yeah, that's it they already decommissioned it and they said it's going to cost us all this and he says oh yeah we'll pay for that

We're asked if they just stayed out of the first place that power plant and another one would have stayed open all the time

All along they would have been recommissioned by the federal government to go for another 50 years

They'd have power from coal they'd have power from natural gas but they just

Loaded these regulations and it's killing the power supply there it's making it unaffordable it's killing housing it's killing industry

Industries are moving out left and right they are losing population they will lose seats in Congress with the next

With the next census

Well, I would say good to that because they deserve it but it's sad for the people that recognize what's going on

But unfortunately you get what you vote for and the people are just

I

Will go smoke some more because that's where they are

Well, that's the problem you know the Einstein said a

Good definition of insanity was doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results in California

They keep electing liberal progressive Democrats

To solve problems created by liberal progressive Democrats and they expect different results

That's the definition matters

It certainly is and I feel I feel bad for the people you know what there's another election coming up in November

And that will be very telling because they have two candidates that actually are sane

And if the people want sanity they'll vote for the either well they'll vote for one of those two

And then probably the incumbent will win because one of those two will knock out the others

Which is usually what happens the two should get together and be one and maybe one lieutenant governor

Rather than allowing the Democrats to just rule the state in a power play that makes absolutely no sense

So more people will believe in New York they're doing the same thing

I heard Kathy Holkill the other day just was going to go down to Palm Beach and tell the

Billionaires who still love New York to come back so she can tax them

We run you out with our taxes and regulations with our calling the police office when they stop riots

In New York their motto should be making crime great again

And yet they want to try and tie these people to come back to suffer through all that

And I'm pretty sure she's going to get a two finger salute

I certainly hope so

Sterling tell everyone all about where they can find you because I know you've got to leave

And I want to get you out on time

Thanks Karen they can find me at www.heartland.org

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Well thanks for having me on again

Thank you it's always wonderful and we'll have you back again and as these new regulations unfold and people do something that would be more sane than stupid

Folks this is Karen Shone and you have been listening to the prism of America's education brought to you on the America out loud.newsnetwork

So I will

Okay Sterling I'm going to shut this so you can

Folks the most important thing that you can do is pay attention

And unfortunately we have a bad habit of not paying attention

So oversight and I will say it and scream it from the rooftops vote in the primaries vet your candidates

If we want more insanity as Sterling said what Einstein said then just keep on doing the same thing over and over again

It makes absolutely no sense at all

We have to make the changes America is a country where the people have the ability to make the changes

So what are the most important changes get on the phone and get a hold of your senator and tell them to pass the Savak

What insanity of having people who are not citizens of America vote in American elections

That is a disgrace and we will wind up with more mandammies who want to destroy they do not want to build they want to destroy

And we have it is up to us to make sure that that does not happen

So this is Karen Shone you have been listening to the prism of America's education brought to you on the America out loud.newsnetwork

We have a wonderful week and make sure that you know who your candidates are don't vote for a pretty face

Conduct oversight especially in your state

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