What happens when you refuse to follow the narrative

0:00Well, hello everyone and welcome to the 10 penny files. I'm your host, Dr. Sherry Tenpenny. The 10 penny files is a daily conversation to inform and educate not just entertain. I come prepared and we let the discussion unfold naturally with people worth hearing on topics worth exploring. If it matters to your body, your freedom, or your future, we talk about it here. Each day, I talk with authors and documentary filmmakers and independent thinkers whose work challenges mainstream messaging. We cover a wide range of topics from government and politics, did pets and travel to food health and vaccines. And

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2:05about his book, Sovereignty, John Mappin, and the restoration of sanity, a declaration that philosophy, not politics or economics, is the true engine of history. So Mike, I think that we have a lot of great things to talk about this book about John is really, really great. I was really happy when it came across my desk. I've known John for quite a few years. He's a friend of mine. So I'm really in your book was very, very interesting and really did point out the fact that it really is about philosophy and not about politics or economics that is the true engine of history. So you present John as a modern embodiment of a mythical hero. What qualities led you to see him through those eyes? So I met John in 2023, January 2023, and I was invited to the Colton Club in London for what

3:07was meant to be a secret meeting, say meant to be soon. It was in the press by the next day, across the times, etc. And it was a meeting of people who were concerned about the COVID vaccine role out to children. And I was invited because I used to be a head teacher or school principal, but I was the only head teacher or school principal out of 43,500 in the whole of the United Kingdom. So that's England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales, to publicly express my concerns about the COVID vaccines. And John at the time was publicly expressing concerns, particularly around children receiving the dangerous and unnecessary shots. And we were there for a meeting with mainly some doctors and scientists, but also lots of politicians. So Andrew Bridgian, who is a member of Parliament at the time, Dr Robert

4:10Malone, Dr Essin Malhotra, lots and lots of people who were coming together in this. What was I say meant to be a secret meeting, but it was there was no way it was ever going to be kept under wraps. So by the next day, it was that the mainstream media were reporting about these quote unquote conspiracy theorists meeting together to to spread misinformation. And but that was the beginning of my relationship with John. And having then looked at what he did prior to that time, I saw that he was also making a stand in other areas. So he lives in a castle. So he's he's lived in Camelot Castle Hotel, which is a castle in Cornwall. And he runs it as a as a hotel with his wife, wife, Irina Mappin. And back in 2017, he was approached by

5:11the home office at the UK government and was offered approximately 20 million pounds to turn his hotel into a migrant processing centre. So at the time, and it continues to be the case, we were having lots of illegal immigrants entering the shores of Britain. So unvetted people, we've always been welcoming to refugees and people have, I mean, I'm married to an Indian, he's married, John's married to a Russian with just nothing xenophobic about it, we just like to know who's coming into the country. And there's and it's got to the point now where there's like sometimes a thousand young men a day from places and the intelligence agencies have spotted that some of them are islamic terrorists, etc. So it's not a good situation. But back in 2017, John was offered 20 million pounds to turn his hotel into a place where approximately 400 migrants would

6:13would move in and then be processed. But within where the castle is, it's in a village called Tintagel, which only has 1,500 people in it. And his concern was that this fragile community would be disrupted by dropping in another 400 people, some and all of whom we, no one knows who they are, and some of them would quite possibly be dangerous. So I thought, wow, that's pretty amazing, that's an amazing stance to take there. He also, although things have changed now, he was one of the few people who back in 2016 predicted the rise of Donald Trump. And actually, he put a wager on it and made 100,000 pounds and was invited to the White House met Donald Trump. Now, sadly, both John and I feel whatever's happened there with the president, he's not quite fulfilled one of his promises, which is to end the forever wars. But anyway, all of these things are

7:15in the book prior to this, this current time. And it shows John's ability to network with people from across borders, across the political divide. So he's not, you know, he gets framed as being like, you know, right wing, but he's not doesn't subscribe to, you know, left or right or any of that stuff, he sees it as an illusion as do I. And he has taken extremely strong stance on matters which at the time are usually controversial and politically sensitive. But he's got the guts and the integrity to speak his truth authentically. And that's what led me to write the book about him. You know, that's kind of, you know, a lot of us have known John for a long time, getting running in those circles. I was supposed to be at that meeting, but was not able to travel at that time. So I'm familiar with what you're talking about. You know, his, but that his stance, again, saying no, you're not going to use my historical home for all of these

8:19300 plus illegal aliens. And interestingly enough, I think that's how John got to know it be known really much more internationally. I think his that interview that he did got like 50 million blue views globally or something like that. And there was just an article that just came out a few days ago, and I actually sent it to John on WhatsApp. And I said, well, it looks like he made the right decision, because there was all these promises from the government that, you know, we'll give you 50 million pounds. And if they destroy any property, we'll refurbish it, we'll do all these things. And there was just an article that just came out a couple of days ago that said that the government was really reneging on a lot of its promises that it had made to these hoteliers that these people are not leaving and they're not giving any additional funding. And it looks as though, those people that that John like John who stood up to that really made the right decision. Yes, you heard from other hoteliers around of what's happening and how the government isn't falling through. Well, that almost all of them have sold

9:21and taken the bribes. So that's the difference. And 20 million is actually quite a small amount compared to what some of them have made from their various hotels. So John is the only one that I'm aware of who has had the integrity to turn that money down. And it's not that, you know, he couldn't do with an extra 20 million quid, but it's not about that. And this is the thing he's got his, his spiritual outlook and his integrity is something that really inspires me. And so I've studied mythology and written about mythological figures and the heroes quest for a long time. John's book is my eighth published work. And throughout my work, I cover things like you know, Homer's Odyssey and the heroes quest as a sort of blueprint for life, really. So, you know, we all have our ups and downs, don't we? And our losses and you know, might be a

10:22bereavement or I mean, you know, yourself as somebody who's spoken out and the hits and losses that you get along the way. And those times when you feel like you might not make it and and then you kind of deep, deep, really deep into yourself and then you find you have the inner resources to be able to get across to the finish line. And of course, you learn about yourself along the way. And that's what I've discovered from my friendship with John and arena as well. That both of them are there sort of embodiment of the mythological heroes quest and of course, Camelot Castle is the home of the legendary King Arthur. So it's steeped in history. And it feels like the whole place sort of channels that kind of energy has got a very high spiritual vibe. And it's something that's communicated through all of John's work. And it was interesting because during the writing of the book, there was a point

11:24when I was writing about the late Charlie Kirk, but he before he was shot. So right, he was like the day before he was assassinated, I was writing the chapter about Charlie, because John was very good friends with Charlie. And they had communication almost daily, or at least three times a week via text message, et cetera. And John helped Charlie get into the position with turning point USA and started the with others, the turning point UK movement. So John had seen the potential in Charlie early on. And then he kind of cultivated that and made really good friendships with him, with Candice Owens, and then later with Tucker Carlson as well. And it was interesting because in the writing of that chapter, the the following morning, it was about 430 in the morning, because

12:25it got up very early. And I went to light, the wood burning stove. And I remembered that it was John and Arino had a celebration on that on that particular day. And I went to message John and the what I had in response was that Charlie had been assassinated. And something really interesting and powerful happened to me whilst I then what in terms of the writing of the book, so I was about halfway through by this point. And the entire book pivoted not just not just in terms of like the subject matter, but there was an energy about it which changed because we all started to go through a process which I suppose is grief and shock. But also there was something else that was spiritually happening with the assassination of of Charlie and which was communicated through my conversations with John, which is in the book. And and I feel like all of those things link again to the mythological

13:28hero's question on on the way of life. We do have these moments where we're taking off on these tangents and we stumble and you know, take these curveballs, etc. But all of them are part of that story and that narrative. And I hope that I've kind of communicated that and the necessity for it within this book. Because what I advocate is that although we all want our lives to be simple and easy, there are times when we are called to the quest and we must really stand and and and calling out the COVID vaccines for children was an example, John making a stand regarding the illegal immigrants was another. And the whole free speech issue generally, it which is throughout the book, by the way, is yet another one. So I think that's what ultimately we both want people to be inspired by regarding the book. It's not so much John's story, which is phenomenal. It's an invitation to

14:31everyone to be able to speak their truth even if they are the only one standing at that particular time. Yeah, well, that's that that's really true. But that happened to so many of us during COVID, you know, that we had to stand on what we knew to be true against all odds and against all forces. And you know, the title of your book is sovereignty. And John Mappin in the restoration of sanity. Why why the little tagline on there? What did it mean to you about the restoration of sanity? So these are both words which have come directly from John. So he's been talking about sovereignty for a long time. It's something that I resonate with, obviously, because I've regard myself as a freedom fighter, and then I have a cut for free speech. And I believe in national sovereignty, etc. But it's something which John has carried for a lifetime really. And what he says is that the pursuit of sovereignty is

15:33the most same thing to do. So to keep silent about things that you know you should be talking about is sort of by definition sort of insanity. And we actually go into quite a few aspects of our kind of complex world, which has layers and layers and layers of ways to destabilize people and to make them quote, unquote, insane. So for example, the whole psychiatric movement siops as well, the use of siops. And it was interesting because we all discovered, didn't we that during the COVID era there were, I mean, I didn't even know what a siop was before COVID. And then I just covered that I was actually, because that was, that was the interesting thing just watching how people were kind of came under a spell. And it's happened many times since I think it's happening again with all of this, every dreadful stuff happening with, with war as well as so many different aspects, which, which kind of steer public opinion, etc. And within Britain, there was

16:37several mechanisms, which we used to control people and to steer public opinion. So we had the psychological nudge unit, the counter disinformation unit, which is an aspect of the United Kingdom's government. And I was monitored by them, I did a freedom of information request. And one of the things they had on me was me saying that as a head teacher, I had a legal duty to safeguard children against harm. That was one of the things they thought was offensive. And then the other thing they said was offensive was when I said that children have wonderful immune systems. Apparently, that was eligible for extremism. So, so there was the, the counter disinformation unit, the rapid response unit, MI5 and MI6, which are the British intelligence agencies were working in liaison with the counter disinformation unit. And also even a, a unit of the British Army, the 77th brigade were all over all of us who were regarded as dissidents at the time. But of course, you

17:40know, there's something kind of, there's a blessing about being immune to these sorts of psychological operations. And we go into a lot of detail about this within the book, also looking at things like MK Ultra within America, it's the same sort of stuff, these mind control techniques, which make people do things which seem totally illogical and irrational. But it does seem to be the case that about three quarters of the population are susceptible to that kind of brainwashing and conditioning. And this book seeks to shine a light on that and to enable people to become ultimately immune to those sorts of psychological operations. You know, I was one of the named one of the disinformation dozen by the Center for Digital Heat that came out of the UK. And then the gentleman moved to Florida and then he got his visa revoked. And now he's back in the UK and we're trying to extra-died him to our come back because we've got a big lawsuit at with going on with the federal government about freedom of

18:42speech and how the government and the big tech industries were pushed by the Center for Digital Heat into calling us a different disinformation dozen and all the things that it happened. So yeah, we've had a lot of us have had that. You know, when I and how did may I just ask you how did that for you? So so for me hearing you because I obviously I know about that. And I see from from from an outside perspective, I you know, that's like, you know, you're legend, obviously. But what was that like for you? Personally, did it did you take lots of hits as a result of being labeled in that way? Yeah, and I still are. You know, the label just is persistent. You know, and that's the thing. It's like even though COVID is gone and all the, you know, the censorship still remains and labeling is what still remains awesome. So, you know, we lost all, you know, all of our platforms lost a lot of money, you

19:44know, like money out of my PayPal account that I never got back. I'm still permanently banned from PayPal and Instagram and Facebook and podbean and places like that. And the rest of us that the other 12 have suffered consequences of that to one degree or another. But it's, you know, we you just had to stand strong. And just you were saying what you were doing. So, and the reason I ask you that is because so so I and I'd go into this in within the book as well to talk about how these sorts of things are like unofficial social credit systems. So the idea I believe is that we are made examples of in order to then silence everybody else. So, other people then self-sensor out of fear of reprisals because they will say, well, you know, look what happens to Dr. Penn, Dr. Tenpenny or to Mike Faircliffe, you know, in terms of reputational damage or financial loss or whatever, you know, I'll keep my mouth shut because

20:47I need to, you know, I'm going to put myself preservation ahead of anything else. And, you know, it does feel like that's really the key thing because the mistake with that is to it would be untrue to say that speaking out is easy or that there are not times when it's in, you know, the hits are just really extreme. But to if everyone were to remain silent, then the ultimate consequences are bad and worse for absolutely everyone. So, that's why I liken it to the mythological heroes quest as well because there's everyone feels the resistance, well, certainly I did, you know, there were there were there were points where I was thinking, got, I really want to, I don't want to be doing this, don't comfortable. I feel I feel, you know, nervous about what's happening, but then had to weigh up the pros and cons of

21:47remaining silence or and staying within the comfort of the known or stepping out into the quest and actually meeting the challenges. And I want to believe that the ultimate sacrifice is the right thing to do for lots of reasons, not least of which for children, which again, going back to John and the book, that's one of the key messages within the book because he's his reason for making a taking a stand on lots and lots of different issues and he's not afraid, by the way, to, you know, be unpopular for a while when he's made a particular stand. But the reason for that is because he's not just thinking about himself, he's thinking about his, his child, he's thinking about the children of Britain and the world and he's also thinking about future generations. And I think if we all apply that kind of thinking, so putting our self preservation on the back burner really

22:49in in and then and then thinking about self sacrifice for others first and it was interesting when in your intro, when you were talking about the pastor who comes on once a week and talks about the, you know, teachings of Christ and the biblical teachings like, well, that's the, that's the, they're the kind of values that we should hold on to. And I feel that should be steering us. So certainly that's what I try to do. So yeah, it's interesting hearing what your experience has been as well. And I think it's good to also be completely honest about it not necessarily being easy because it isn't. Now what is it? And it sticks into the the name calling sticks. There's a lot of people that call me the the tinfoil, the magnetic lady because they took everything I said at the at this hearing of in in wash in them in Ohio before the health committee. They had the with the representative had asked me if I had seen any unusual symptoms going on. And I said, well, we've probably seen all these things across the internet of people like putting coins on them and spoons and it sticks.

23:54That's kind of an unusual symptom. I think that they should look into that and determine whether it's real or not or if it is real what's causing it. Well, then the label came through all of mainstream media like even on the six o'clock news that this crazy doctor had said that people get magnetized after they get a COVID shot. And they had taken what I said completely out of context. And that still is in my Wikipedia page. We've got just a few minutes left before we take our break here, Mike. And I want to ask you this question because you say this in your book that this isn't about just charting the life of John Mappin, which I agree with you is a very interesting story just in and of itself. But you ask this, whether philosophy, courage and imagination have the power to a vert catastrophe and call civilization back from the brink. Do you think it can? Yes. And so looking at all of the religious texts and mythologies and all of these messages from ancient times,

24:59the ultimately good always prevails. That's the message. That's what happens. So we're in a spiritual battle at the moment. That's what John and I believe. There's a there's a tussle between the light and the dark, but the light always prevails. And it's fascinating actually because the book has been endorsed by Candice Owens and Tucker Carlson. They're in fact, they're quite so on the cover of the book because they're only book in the world where both of those individuals have endorsed it, which I feel very humbled by. And they obviously are talking about things which are deemed politically sensitive and controversial, not least of all, calling out the war in Iran and cautioning against things like children being killed on all sides, whether they be Jews or Iranians or anyone. And yet that's considered somehow unpatriotic by some people which I think

26:09is which is incorrect. I don't believe in that. I think it's more important that we hold the value of life regardless of where people are from and to cherish it across the board. But I think that what I'm noticing is that the amount of people who are waking up now is interesting. We've spoken a lot about the COVID vaccines and we all know people who have, who were into that stuff, hookline and sinker, who had multiple shots and who are now suffering from health issues. And I've had numerous people come up to me and say, yeah, I wish I'd listened to you at the time and so on and so forth. They're not everyone's still like being open about it and speaking out, but some people are. But the main thing is that it kind of worked that period of time, worked a lot of people up. And I think that that is a sign that we're moving in the right direction. And I also believe that so one of the things that happened to me was it was about 18 months ago. I ended up praying for the first time in many, many years

27:17because I, you know, I was no longer a head teacher. I'd been investigated three times and essentially blacklisted from the profession. I ended up doing a delivery job, delivering fruit and vegetables for a friend who was very grateful to have that work. And it was a fabulous job to be able to do, but it didn't really pay the bills completely. It helped me tremendously, but it wasn't able to really make that big, big leap that I needed to. And I started praying out of desperation. And I prayed to God, I prayed to Christ. And the light started to come. It started to, and I started to have opportunities. And last year back in February, I was given a big contract for a book. I then wrote another four books last year, picked up another contract. At the end of last year, as well, for a marvellous lady, I'm co-authoring a book with calls. Dr Claire Craig,

28:25you may have come across, so she's a fabulous, really outspoken, COVID-Freedom fighter. And so, yeah, what it did was that it enabled me to tune into the light. And I genuinely believe that the light will be triumphant and will prevail at the end of this time. We're going to go through this hardship and these difficulties, but there will be light at the end. And I believe that going back to your point, the idea of imagination, if you can imagine it, if you can visualize that kind of fabulous future for all of our children and all the future generations to come, then it's a reality if we believe in it. So, yeah, that's what that means. That's really beautiful. And I really like the idea, the concept of a COVID-Freedom fighter. I've never heard anyone express it quite like that before, but I like that a lot. I'm going to hang on to that. So this is a good upbeat place for us to take a short break to hear from our sponsors

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36:55Let me tell you a little bit more about today's guests. Mike Fairclough is an internationally acclaimed educator with 30 years of experience in the field, including 19 years as a high profile headmaster. He was the only serving headmaster or school principal out of 43,500 in the United Kingdom publicly questioned the COVID vaccine rollout for children. He's the author of six books an editor and a ghostwriter and he has brought stories of many CEOs and other outspoken thought leaders to life and he's got more books in the pipeline. So we'll be looking forward to hearing about those. Mike, welcome so much. Welcome back to the show. We're so glad you're here with us today. Thank you. Do you really believe that that personal sovereignty and national sovereignty are inseparable? Yes, so there's a great quote from I'll see if I can get it up on my so I can read it correctly from Tucker Carlson about my book actually. I should have memorized this but

38:00because it's so awesome. I tell you what, the thing about John is he's such a connector of people. So I've met, for example, at his castle, I've met Nigel Farage. I've also met there's a guy called Rupert Lowe who started up a new political party which actually arrived to reform called Restore Britain and some just incredible people and Tucker Carlson is one of the people within his network and this is I've now got the up here. This is what he says about the book. He says, free your mind, free your country, free the world. It's possible as this book explains which is a really amazing, a very humbling endorsement and what that means is if we go to our absolute heart, true self, no one really wants to be controlled by others.

39:06Now that could be within a relationship, it could be within a family, it could be within a community or it could be within a nation and it's interesting that lots of us who stood up and fought against Covid's tyranny during that era then took up the fight against digital ID which is obviously ongoing and digital ID is something which within Britain has been pushed tremendously but the government still haven't quite got it over the line but they've used all sorts of quite weak excuses to try and sell it to the to the population. For example, the Prime Minister said a few months ago, he said, oh, I've got this great idea we could stop illegal immigration by having digital ID because what will happen is once they've rode across the English Channel on their boats, we'll ask them for their ID, they'll say they haven't got any and they'll basically row back and no one fell for that one and then they came

40:08up with another suggestion which was that it would save people time from rummaging around for their passports and their other forms of identification and so they've used all these different sort of excuses none of them have really landed but the point is the control of the nation in that way is also the control of the individual and if we surrender our personal sovereignty and our national sovereignty then we essentially end up sort of surrendering sovereignty of our soul as well so they're all intrinsically linked. I think it deserves a very very honest self-examination at the same time so I've had to do this myself, I've had to look at my own beliefs and behaviour and think right where am I sort of sabotaging myself or controlling myself

41:13or where have I got conflicting narratives which I need to be able to sort out in order to be able to get to my truth and that's where I've used personally the power of prayer to be able to sit silently with myself and then to be able to arrive at a place where I can then operate from a place of authenticity and I'm reminded actually in talking to you about a of a Gandhi quote who said my truth is sorry yeah my consistency is to truth not yeah no my truth is to oh dear what is it? No my commitment is to truth not consistency which I love so he's like you know what might be your your truth on one in one moment can change and it's we've seen this recently with President Donald Trump where it's like you know it's like whoa that doesn't really feel like

42:13that's the what we've kind of bought into that's not make America a great again so therefore I'm going to voice that and by the way John's done a very good job of that as he always does having been you know invited to the White House and celebrated by President Donald Trump and a massive supporter has now said no we can't accept what's what's happening now he's kind of it's in the same campers to Carlson and candy soons on that one and myself too so that's an example of one's commitment being to truth rather than consistency because that again would be a trap so that it requires I think quite brutal self-examination and on and honesty and then the humility to be able to say actually I've changed my mind and and I don't know whether you found this as well but you're reference to the name calling that happened during the COVID area era for me I don't know whether this the same for you but for me I've kind of become quite immune

43:18to name calling now it kind of doesn't doesn't land like it used to have you found that at all well you know during that whole time I mean I just made that as a statement it really doesn't stick with me I when I was when growing up I grew up in a small town in north central Ohio and we were the I think the founding my high school was the founding members of the mean girls I think they started it when I was growing up you know I was a subject to a lot of that and my mom used to always tell me sticks and stones can break your bones but names can never hurt you yes but I heard that all my my whole life growing up and so when it got to be happening in my adult my adult world I said the same thing it just kind of you know flicked it off your shoulder it's like you know they're not breaking any of my bones so I guess it's okay yeah for me it was more so I think to begin with it did bother me and particularly with the press because I was so it was really

44:21interesting actually before Brexit so I voted to leave the European Union and before Brexit Brexit I was sort of on the traditional left in terms of politics and and in many ways I kind of a lot of those values are still still hold and during the Brexit years I discovered that actually the whole left wing right wing thing seemed like a bit of an illusion because that the that it was frank you were framed as being far right if you wanted to have sovereignty national sovereignty and for me I thought that was always a kind of left traditional left wing value and so and then when it came to covid I was also in the press like you know I was a conspiracy theorist which I guess I couldn't like wear that one but also kind of framed as far right which they what they mean by that is racist now I'm married to a dark skinned Punjabi Indian woman

45:25I'm not racist I'm not I'm not at all I've I want to have national sovereignty I want to control our borders and I don't want just like any random person turning up particularly don't want Harris turning up to the thing but that doesn't make me xenophobic or racist I think that just means that I believe in sovereignty but to begin with those kind of slurs did make a difference but after years and years and years of it it kind of didn't really kind of make any difference so and I think that's one of the things that makes people stay silence as well and self-sensor some people it's literally the name calling that they don't want obviously there are levels and layers which we've both experienced of the punishments that you get reputational damage the financial consequences etc but the the first sort of lines to get through is the one of being lumped together with you know I don't know like Nazis or something they true I did it didn't he with the

46:30the truckers you know he was like they were somehow Nazis which was just ludicrous yeah so um but but I think going back to the book that's that's that's the purpose of the book it's to inspire people through John's amazing story and and just just to say you know he's such a networker so his his network which expands all the time to the the most influential and powerful people on the planet alive today really and which he does through um communication very clear communication authenticity and his love of humanity um and and it's a way what we're trying to do is we're trying to empower and embolden other people so that they also can speak their truth it's not necessarily to agree with our stance on everything because if somebody's got a different opinion that's fantastic but we just want people to be genuinely sovereign within their own being

47:33so that they can um pass that onto their children and the future generations to come that's there's the whole point of the book you know you're you the hero's journey is a recurring archetype in your work um what do you where do you believe that Britain is in that journey and and comparing to to America and the cultural fragmentation that's happening here and you see similar fragmentation that's happened in Britain with all of the the massive infiltrations and the stories that have come out of changes that have happened just in London you know like the all the that the it's it's always been white Anglo-Saxon domination of the world has been history of Britain which it seems to be changing and how does that apply to the cultural archetype that you write about in your work well so um i felt so it's interesting john's got this phrase um saying um um uh john and um

48:34Britain is an eleventh hour nation it they people tend to rise at a quarter to twelve so make that means that you know we wait till the very last minute and then people rise up and that's what's that's what's happening and um i do think that there are some really positive um movements in that direction so one of the things that unfortunately Nigel Farage as head of the reform party few months ago was he um allowed onto his team um several um uh conservative members of parliament including Nadine Sahawi who was the member of parliament at the time who oversaw the COVID vaccine rollout to children now those of us who voted for reform myself included voted for reform because we were promised that there would be a reckoning on the covid era and that there'd been in a

49:35national investigation into why children and babies and pregnant mothers were put at risk from this dangerous and ineffective uh medical intervention and the introduction of these other members of parliament showed us very clearly that um that wasn't going to happen so when we put low who as you remember i i met through john uh downing in cornwall um uh started uh group restore Britain that ignited a grassroots movement across the in fact it's now the fastest growing political party it's outpaced uh the conservative party it's got lots of young people joining it um and it feels like we're at that point where this that sort of quarter to twelve moment people are beginning to rise up and they're beginning to do something about things now what we need to be very careful of is that we don't then fall into the the side up and the trap

50:36of everyone fighting against each other because that's what they i think that's what that is is being is being designed and and planned so what they want is Jews versus Muslims you know Muslims versus Christians white versus black dinner dinner all this kind of stuff that's just not how it should be it should be humanity coming together and looking at who's pulling the strings at the top and and we go into this in in the book regarding various globalist organizations so one of the things that Britain is tethered to and has been since 2015 is the united nations uh sustainable development goals so these are seventeen goals um uh which we're kind of legally bound to follow which include things like the the climate scam gender ideology and all sorts of things all dressed up in in the veneer of virtue of course you know it's all for like for the good of humanity but when you kind of scratch the surface you can see that it's all about like control basically so um i think that

51:40it's important that we um uh at this point which i think just going back to your question where are i think i think we're nearly at that point where we're we've got the the elixir you know the the holy grail but there are quite a few pitfalls which could happen between now and that point but what i would say is that um the most important thing to do is to look inward and to give oneself those moments of peace and tranquility to be able to just gauge going back to the uh the the Gandhi quotes which are fumbled but got got there in the end of um one's commitment being to truth rather than consistency so where you know you it's it's possible to change your mind and to change your path if that's what you authentically need to do within a particular moment so i think we're in in we're still in a quite a perilous part in the mythological heroes jock journey and we're almost there that's what i think anyway that's marvelous that's very uplifting and encouraging

52:45when you look around and all you see is you know it's almost like if you were a firefighter and you had a hose there's so many fires to be put out you don't know where to begin yes in writing this story writing about john and writing about sovereignty as the title of your book is a sovereignty john map and in the restoration of sanity were there any interesting anything interesting things that you learned that surprised you uh yes there were there are a number of different things so so i would say that um uh yeah can you two minutes i'm going you two two minutes um so um there there are lots of different things so so firstly i would say it's the international nature of the um network of people who uh john has connected with so crosses continents and the political divide um i think there are sort of ex additional layers of the idea of mk mk ultra and and government siops which um i learned a lot about but there was also a great deal

53:51which you can learn within the book regarding the this the very precious and cherished relationship with Charlie Kirk as well so that was one of the things which you'll find i think quite beautiful within the book which i'd be i hope i've recounted and we conveyed in in as as as as authentic way as possible john sitting there happy with it anyway um but there are some real nuggets in there which are uh which the reader will need to be able to resonate with and read to be able to really understand and your book sovereignty john map it in the restoration of sanity where would you suggest is the best place for people to buy that i if they go to amazon um but it's also available from so within britain it's uh phishing publishing uh within north america will be sky horse publishing who's uh through wretchingry who's who's who's who's publishing that but you'll find it on water stones barns and nobles and from a every major bookstore and outlaw outlets worldwide but initially i'll i'll i'll advise um uh people to go to amazon well you have two minutes left in this interview

54:58and i know you have to run so what it would be in just two minutes your biggest takeaway and why people should buy this book and and read it um so i would say that the the the the the main reason to do it is to be able to tune into again the mythological heroes quest and to be able to look at that as inspiration within an individual's personal journey so whatever's going on for for people to be able to to look at the the inspiration of people such as john who've been able to take a stand and to be able to talk about culturally sensitive politically sensitive and controversial topics even when they've been the only one doing so because there there will be times even within a relationship of two people when there will be a time when you feel like you need to say something but you don't so we hope that this book will inspire people to be able to have the courage to be able to you know in a non confrontational way speak their truth and to be able to in and through that be able to

56:01reclaim their individual sovereignty which is the first step towards uh national sovereignty well i think that that's really a great way to end our our conversation here today mike and it's been such a pleasure to have you here and it's really nice to have a a common uh person that we're talking about you know with john maven being a friend of mine and you did a lovely uh work on this book of really really representing john well he really represented him well thank you very much indeed thank you for saying that what he represents and what he represents personally and to the world so with that i'm going to close out with one of my favorite verse from the bible i close all my broadcast with which is Romans 12 12 rejoice and hope be patient and trouble be persistent in prayer who will see you here tomorrow at the at the same place same time on the ten penny files at three p.m. eastern have a great rest of your day everybody goodbye and god bless