We Get To Do This - IGBOK

0:00Holy Spirit, Lord Jesus, Abba Father, what a privilege it is to be here today. Recording, having conversations about things that matter in our world today, I ask for wisdom, for guidance, for both Adam and myself. And I pray for our listeners, I'm so thankful for them as they've been reaching out and asking questions and sharing things and even pushing back at times. And I'm thankful for all of it, Lord. We learn through it all. So bless whoever listens to this podcast. Maybe somebody stumbles on it. Lord, may they be refreshed and encouraged and inspired. And may they someday be able to say, wow, we get to do this. Jesus name. Amen. Amen. It's Wednesday, March 18, 2026. We get to do this. This is episode number 25. This is the light we've been blessed with. This is a gift. We get to do this. This is a chance we did not miss.

1:02This is a life we get to do this. Yes, we do. We get to do this brother. Cheers. We got the black, black, black. You got to be on black. I'm doing the just black. Oh, I didn't know there was a different. Oh, there's so many different flavors. It's crazy. I'm in need of this. It's been an incredible week. A good week. A really good week. It's only Wednesday. It's a good week. I'm talking about brother week. Good week. I've had good technical things. Good stuff happening. I had a nice afternoon with my wife. And we had a nice dinner. Yeah, just fantastic. I was looking up the pit boss. Every night on my mom. Yeah, Tina's always saying, I cook every night. I'm like, all right. I guess that walking in and out that I do is. Anyway, she does plant. I think it's the planning more.

2:02It's like, okay, what should we have? This cut of beef or this cut of beef? There it is. We just placed our order for hometown meat. These guys are so good. Love it. Love it. We got to get this order done. Yeah, we got that in. We did a tri-tip last night with espresso rub from Gingawart Coffee Roasters by man in Chicago in Illinois. Wow. So good. Remind me again. Who did the pickles for us? Jody White. Well, she sent them to us. Thank you, Jody. She wants them to rebrand us the pickle princess because we've promoted it so much. Did you finish it off? Almost. I'm rationing. Yeah. So I'm down to the last two pickles and I think I've got an onion and a hell of onion. That's what I had to say. That's what I wanted to eat here. I probably will drink the juice. I know. I know.

3:03And Beau, right, makes him. Can I get that right? Yeah, Beau. Thanks, Beau. All right. So, yeah. Today's episode has been months in the making. And it really started. Gosh, I can't believe how many what episode that was. We were talking about. Yeah, it's been a few back. About replacement theology. Didn't we call it the Israel conundrum? No, even before that we were doing that. I think we're doing it before. We've hit on this several times. We have. We've got so much spinning around in the in the podcast pato sphere, as we call it. And it's literally like Ben Shapiro Tucker Carlson, Megan Kelly, Candace Owens whom I'm missing. Just all kinds of. And they're all yelling at each other and all like, you need to denounce

4:03him. denounce her. Denounce this. and certainly perked up after October 7th. And all we've heard is labels like Christian Zionists and all these. And this to me was like, I need to figure out where all of this is coming from. And it's kind of been presented as a binary option. You're either clarify that. You're either a Christian Zionist or you're not. Yeah, there's no other option. There's no other option. And of course, now everything is spun up with what's happening in Iran. So I wanted to give a little bit of historical background on Iran, our involvement in there, because people really don't know any history. And even I had to brush up a lot and like, okay, where actually does this all come from? And when you understand the history of Iran and the

5:03British involvement and the U.S. involvement, it has always been about one thing and one thing only. Can you guess oil? I was going to say money, but that's translate. It's oil oil. It's always been one thing and one thing only. And so when we see the it wasn't a national security advisor, I think quit his job this morning saying, say two things, the president only focused on one, which is, you know, Iran posed no threat. But he also said, you know, we've been led into this by, you know, Israel, basically. And so when I look at this claim that we have been dragged into something for Israel's behalf, it's laughable on its face. It's just because of, look at what's happening. What is the result of this? The result is the constriction of flow of oil through the straits of Hormuz, which have been a problem for decades and

6:07decades. But even in the last couple of years, I mean, it may have been cool to just watch the helicopter footage of the Houthis landing on the oil ship. But this has been an ongoing problem. This has been an ongoing issue. And without these straits of Hormuz open Saudi Arabian oil can't come through. Katari gas can't come through this. And of course, Iranian oil, which mainly has been sanctioned by all countries in the world and goes to China and to other places. So first, let's understand outside of the terrorism funding aspect, when did this really start? And it started in the early 1900s when Churchill decided to switch the British Navy and the British Empire was a naval seafaring empire. They conquered all these countries and turned them into the big commonwealth, the saying was the sun never sets on the British Empire anywhere. And they changed their naval vessels from coal, which Britain had enough of to oil. This was

7:14combustion engine had come in now. And so now we're going to use oil to power our ships. We don't have any oil. So they went looking for oil. And back in the day, certainly if you go looking around the region, which was not Iraq or Iran or Syria or Jordan, it was Persia. Of course, the Ottoman Empire, which was this whole area and they were starting to break a part of their own accord, because it's all just tribal. They went, you know, we should probably go take a look over there and you could walk through certain places and your feet would step into oil. And that's how they found it. Literally, it was just so much of it. And so the British at the time had learned a very, very smart trick, which they had pulled off in China, which was opium ore. So they got all these people in today, modern day, Iran, and Iraq is also a part of this. Got them hooked on opium. And so they got this great deal with the tribal

8:15rulers of the time in Iran. We'll take all your oil and we'll give you 10% of that. Typically, it's like a 50, 50 at least. You know, so no, we'll take all of that, have another tube of opium. You'll be fine. And so that is, that was the beginning. But all of these different tribal regions, it was a problem because you had to continuously keep that flow of oil safe. There were some pipelines that they even put in early on, which is now a modern day, Syria, and they were piping that up. So they decided to start funding all these different little groups and tribes to fight each other and stay occupied, you know, the divide and rule so they could just continue to get the oil. Now around this, we got World War I coming up, around this time, actually after World War I, which was also partially about oil, because the Germans now, they were building ships, they wanted oil. There was lots of stuff going on, even in African region. And the Brits in the French, two guys actually, Sykes and Pico,

9:22you may have heard of this, the Sykes Pico agreement. They decided, let's carve up the Middle East, and you guys will be responsible for this part and we'll be responsible for this part. And they just drew some lines and crayon and a napkin and said, oh, this will call this Iraq, we'll call this Iran, we'll call this Jordan, we'll call this Syria. The region of Palestine was really a lot of it was Jordan at the time, mainly Jordan, some Syria, and of course it moved all over the place, including Egypt. And that was really the beginning of the oil, the oil dominance of the British. So they had the Anglo-Irani and oil corporation, which is now, then was later known as BP, and they had this great, great idea in 1917 called the Balfour Declaration. And the Balfour Declaration was, we should, this is again, so we're looking at war times, we should probably

10:27create a place for the Jews, and why don't we make it in their kind of their homeland here in Israel, because they on one hand will protect another, will be another force for another important part of the country of the world, which is the Suez Canal. I knew that would come into play. Of course. And so now we have, now I'm speeding through the years, now I'm not a historian, but I have it pretty well in my head. Even if you watch the crown, you'll see some of this. You have the Suez Canal, and then there's always, like Egypt always has revolutions. Like every three years, there's some revolt going on to this day almost. So Nasser comes in, he was a military leader, and he's like, you know what? We're taking control of the Suez Canal, so big problem for the Brits. It's arguable whether they funded the beginning of it or took a small group and started funding them, the Muslim Brotherhood. And this to this day has been used mainly by the British, but also by other people in their own autonomous, they've grown so big, to control parts

11:32of the region. So, you know, this idea of building a state for the Jews has always been a, historically a geopolitical initiative, not a biblical initiative. And Napoleon even tried to do that. And you know, he's like, he wanted the Jews out of France, which a lot of people still see him as a friendly towards the Jews, but he wanted to basically get him out, put him in the same place, didn't work out for him. He lost in different places. And of course, Waterloo, and that was all over. So the Brits had this Iranian oil, and we benefited from it as well, also to keep it stable. And then in 1953, you had, Iran was essentially becoming a republic. They had democratically elected leaders, they had a prime minister, and the Brits were like, this is no good, because we need to keep these guys, you know, kind of disorganized and fighting each other so we can continue

12:38with the oil. And so this was prime minister Mossadeh. And he said, you know, this thing that these Brits did, we got it, we got to end this, we're going to nationalize the oil, which would mean all of the rights to the oil go away. And now Britain has a problem because they have this, and there's only three oil companies that's time, you have British petroleum, you have royal Dutch shell, and the Dutch bought the bought shell, and you had a standard oil, you had, or the text, you know, cow tax or whatever it was. So, you know, those are really the three, the three big oil companies. And so we decided, and I say we, the CIA and the British Secret Service MI6, we in 1953, we implement Operation Ajax. And then it's, I love these names. And this is historical, historical fact. So we now crush this secular nationalist path for Iran. And we bring in Shah Mohammad Palavi, who, you know, his son is still considered to be the royal crown prince.

13:44It was really just some dude they put in there. All right. So now you're going to have the power. So for two decades, everything's going going well. But the religious leaders, and this includes Khomeini, they felt that this had always been a betrayal by the Americans and by the British, which quite honestly it was. We came in there, did some regime change because we didn't like that they were democratizing. So the Shah at a certain point launches what was known as the white revolution. And this, this was not accepted by any of the religious leaders in Iran. They kicked Khomeini out. He's in exile for 15 years. But this builds and builds and builds and builds. And then by 1978, 1979, the Islamic revolution is about ready to kick off. And so the first they, well, not the first thing, but one of the things they do is they, you know, so they send the royal family goes on vacation. They wind up in France. They lived there forever,

14:48basically never to come back. They were exiled. It's a whole big mess. And then they go in, the students go in, it was a student uprising, go into the US embassy. And they keep, you know, all these embassy workers, I think it was about 50 or 60 of them hostage for 444 days in total. You remember this. And why was this? They were getting all the documents that CIA had shredded. Embassies are, are always cover for CIA's, the CIA station. So the CIA had, had shredded all of these documents that, that proved that we had done Operation Ajax with the Brits. And they took all these snippets, brought it over to the schools and said to the kids, you like puzzles, right? Put this together. And they spent these hundreds of days putting it all together. So there was proof positive that we had actually done that. You know, and then, you know, so Jimmy Carter, he was trying to get the hostages out. There was, the whole thing was still such a mess because Ronald Reagan didn't want those hostages to come out before the election because he thought that

15:51that Jimmy, Jimmy Carter would be seen as a hero for getting the hostages free and no one really understood at the time what it was about. We only know that in hindsight. So our CIA actually actively worked with the Islamists saying, can you just hold back just a few more days until after November? And, wow. And Carter was actually trying up until January, you know, whenever the handover was, he was still as president actively trying to get that done. And then, of course, Reagan gets an office boom. It's all taken care of. So this is really how the, the, the, the mullahs and, and the, the Ayatollah came to power. And this is where all of the problems started. Wow. Or the modern day problems. So it was a puppet government completely. That was literally what they called it. They called it the puppet government. So now you know why the, the so-called

16:54Crown Prince son is like, oh, I should come back. But even that was, that was the puppet. His dad was the CIA MI6 puppet. And so really, that's why I think President Trump is not interested in him because they know how to do a secular, democratically elected government. And they were a republic, just like the United States, a republic. So this has always been about oil. And now you just add to it that they were taking all of that. And I would say in a way on behalf of the, the British system, and I'm not, you know, it's not like Prince King Charles is personally responsible. But the banking system, the shipping system, the insurance system, it all runs through the city of London banking system. And the estimate is that for every barrel of oil that comes through the Straits of Hormuz, five to fifteen dollars is just insurance premium, just extra money that only

17:57has to be paid to Wall Street banks, city of London banks, city of London insurance companies are just banks. So they love this. They love the problems in the Middle East. Keep it going. And it's lucrative. Of course, the problem is Israel, the Jews turned out to not be so subservient. And so they smart. And they started fixing the country they had been given that, you know, and this is where the argument comes down to, or they deserve, or they by covenant should have. And this creates all of this tension. The United States is allied, of course, with Israel, because that is our, as we call it, the, the aircraft carrier in the sand. And this is where, in the past, we have also continued to, to poke and make sure stuff keeps the tension goes on in the region. I mean, and I could go into Kuwait and Iraq and Sodom Hussein, who we all loved, until we didn't love him, we are not good actors in all of this historically. So let's just put

19:00that up front. Agreed. So at this point, we have Iran using their, their power to fund all kinds of destabilizing forces, not all necessarily just to get rid of Israel, but to destabilize Lebanon, Lebanon destabilize Syria destabilize Iraq, to some degree destabilize Egypt. That has been the system that we just needed that to keep that sweet, sweet oil flowing at a premium that really kind of the British financial empire controlled. And why was that? When the Brits converted from this global empire of land to a global empire of finance, and they were in the game way before Wall Street came along. So those two were kind of symbiotic. Okay. So that's the truth of what's happening. And right now, President Trump, he did a, he did what every president has every president since Roosevelt

20:01has said, we need to take care of Iran. These guys are a problem. And whether it was the Wall Street people who said, no, whoever was saying, no, no, no, no president ever did it. Right. And now we see all the problems that have, have arisen from Iran being able to do whatever they do. Could they actually have nuclear weapons? I don't know. I've been here next week for, you know, 10 years, maybe, maybe not. It was a pretext, but the idea was we've got to get, we've got to get it back to where it was. We want to play fair with them. We want to have real trade with them for their oil. And this plays into what President Trump set up in his first term, the Abraham Accords. This is what even historians say. This would be fantastic because if we could have Israel as a part of all of these different Arab nations and have Saudi Arabia and the Iranians, Sunnis and Shia, who historically hated each other. Right. That's why I'm always laughing if someone says, well, ISIS was fighting because of Iran. No, ISIS is the other side of Iran. So no, that's,

21:07that's wrong. And there seems to be motivation for that. And Saudi Arabia, you've been doing all, this is what President Trump did, this term, you've been getting all, you know, you've been doing oil business. We're going to turn you into a data center, a high tech center of the Middle East, and you'll participate in the global AI race, et cetera, et cetera, for whatever that means. But that's not the way it's playing out in American politics. In American politics, all you hear is President Trump got dragged into this by Israel because, you know, he's needed to blow up Iran to protect Israel nonsense. It doesn't even make economic sense. You know, so the cope of grasping at, well, it's because he's being blackmailed by Epstein. No, I mean, it's pathetic. It's pathetic on his face where this is a game about oil and resources and money and who controls and who

22:07does not control and what's fair. And isn't it always historically, it's always about, we're done. That's right. Good night, everybody. No, it's always about oil, turf, and, you know, some, there's always some personal stuff in there, but that's, that just is from leader to leader. So I've been trying to figure out where this notion comes from that we have gotten into a position where you have, there's really two camps and I learned recently, mainly through listening to you very carefully that there's three. One is, Israel is not important because, according to the New Testament and Jesus, the church is the new Israel, then you have the other side who says, we're really in the church age right now of the seven different ages, dispensationalism, and then there's a third that we'll get to. But what this results in is a confusion for believers,

23:11Christians. Yes. What am I supposed to do here? Am I supposed to defend, support Israel, is Israel the state, the region, the government, etc. Or do I denounce them for so-called genocide? What is genocide? Well, should I just shut up and be really quiet, which I think is what most people do? And this is a big problem because you're missing, you're missing a great opportunity to help people understand, in my opinion, and I believe your opinion, what God really intended and what He really said. Now, this has come to a head with podcasters who believe they are great theologians. I didn't know, Tucker Carlson was a Christian until recently, and the same goes for many other people who have at least expressed their faith openly. But I knew this was a real problem. In our community, when I hear our friend,

24:17Matt Long on the Matt Long show just this week, and it's a very short clip, just to give you an idea of the confusion of where we are as believers in this geopolitical argument about Israel. And so, well, that puts us in a bizarre situation because is the state of Israel, is the government of Israel? Is that who God made his promise to? Did he make it to Jerusalem? Did he make it to the Jewish people who were descended by blood only to the Jewish people? These are all questions that a lot of us have, and many of us grew up with preconceived notions on that. Okay. So when Matt heard this by the way, I played this on Hello Fred. As a promo, yeah, you're right. I heard it. That's, yeah, I heard the promo too. I'm like, wow, I got to grab that out of the promo. That's, that's a good bit. So I'm going to try and

25:18boil it down and then we'll get to the third option. But the amongst a lot of people who are saying, literally saying the Christians in America are Zionists, they're the problem, they let Israel get away with everything. The politicians are pro-Israel. And they'll do anything to defend Israel. They come from the School of Replacement Theology. And we played some Nick Fuentes a while back. I think that's probably where we talked about it where he said, don't know, the church has replaced Israel. And that is replacement theory. Now, I'm going to play a couple clips and then we'll get into where this comes from. So Tucker had on former Miss California, Kerry Prajon Baller. And you may remember her from like 20 years ago, she was, she was a shoe into wind and then go on to win Miss USA. But the, what she said very

26:22clearly, no, I believe marriages between one man and one woman, that's my faith. And so she got burned, you know, excoriated, of course. And that's when she became friends with President Trump. And he kept in touch with her throughout all these years because she definitely went through some ups and downs and whatever career because she was seen as a nut job. As one does. And she winds up being asked to be on the defending Christian faith presidential board. And this includes a number of people, including Dan Patrick, who was a, is he our attorney general, attorney general. No, no, he's our lieutenant governor lieutenant. Right. Who's our attorney general packs packs. Okay. Yeah. So he's easy to get those names mixed up. Yes. And they're going to get even more mixed up. I think one of the ones elections are over. And Paula White, who runs the, the office of faith for the president and I believe is his pastor. I'm not sure. And, but also, you know,

27:25like Dr. Phil is on there, but it's a, it's a prestigious thing. And she was asked to resign from the board who the carry. Oh, the former Miss, Miss California runner up Miss California, because, because she was posting things about what Israel was doing in Gaza. And, and it was clear that it was more about politics than about faith. But as she sat down with Tucker Carlson, this is where, this is where, this is where it really got interesting for me, because you can hear exactly how the programming has been shoved in and how it works. This very binary choice, which is not ultimately binary about the support of Israel. So she says, no, I'm not going to resign. Then she gets a call from Paula White and Dan Patrick. And they're saying, no, you really have to or you have to run all your tweets through us or, you know, it sounded like a very untenable situation. Here's her, I have a couple of clips of this. Here's

28:29her takeaway as to how this happened in her conversation with Tucker Carlson. Did either one of them explain why a requirement of the Christian faith is supporting the Netanyahu government? Do they explain the theology there? You already see where this is going, right? I don't, I don't understand it. Yeah, no, they never explained it. They just said, you can't have your theology. You can't believe what you want. You have to submit to ours. But their theology is that Christians are required as a matter of faith to support the government of Israel. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Those who bless Israel will be blessed. It's exactly what Ted told you. Yeah, I mean, he had no idea where in the Bible, it was, of course, that's not that line is not actually in the Bible. It doesn't say that. But whatever, I just the leap between that, whatever that means, it does mean something. And the moral, the religious requirement to support the government of Israel, I mean, those are just like completely two different things. I did. Oh, they don't think they are a lot of interesting things just to start this off. I completely

29:37take at face value the belief that she and Tucker think and have gotten the impression and it may be very true that politicians who believe in dispensationalism or whatever their belief is that is that the 1948 creation of the state of Israel was a prophetic fulfillment and we are and we have to defend that at all costs to have the end times accelerator, whatever eschatological phase we're in. I need you to comment on just where we are so far. So, well, dispensationalism would hold, you know, that there's a place for Israel. There is prophetic implications for both current Israel then when it was said back in the Old Testament under the Old Covenant, but also for today. So, it's both now and for then, now and future. There's also another view

30:38which is completely the opposite of that, which would be replacement theology. And by the way, no one person came up with replacement. You can't go back to this person started that. Well, the argument, and I've looked into this, is that for 1,500, 1,800, 2,000 years, since Constantine, I did hear that, and Justin Martyr and others, that that's when Constantine, who of course made Christianity the official religion, he could not have people believing that Israel was still a thing in order to keep power. And I believe that's probably been carried over through the Church of England, like, no, no, no, no, no, we are very, we are the new Israel. And that was for political reasons that you just couldn't believe that. Right. Does that sound useful? So, so back to replacement theology. Yeah, it does sound. It says that Israel is over and done,

31:39that that the Church is now the new Israel, it is, it is replaced Israel. So all the prophetic implications were either fulfilled in the Old Covenant, covenant or in the first century, the New Testament, the New Age. So to speak, that now everything pertains to the Church, everything's about the Church. Now, problem is, we're doing this again. We're soloing these things and saying it's either or again, you use the word binary. Hold on. There's another way. No, no, we're, I know, that's where I want to get at the end, but I want you to have the punchline. No, no, you're going to have the punchline, but I want to take us through because you mentioned replacement and fulfillment, that's exactly what comes up in this next clip. Didn't Paul a white or Dan Patrick explain where you were wrong on doctrine? No, no, they just said, I cannot hold firm to replacement theology, which they don't know, Catholics, it's fulfillment theology. We believe that we are the fulfillment, you know, it's not replaced. They like to dig us and say,

32:41oh, you believe in replacement theology. No, no, no, we're the fulfillment. Christ is the fulfillment of Israel. Well, that's what we are the New people of thought. Yeah, exactly. I mean, it says it like on every page. Okay, the theologian Tucker Carlson. Well, that's Tucker. So now, now this kind of a lot of nuances, little nuance here. So replacement versus theology, please. Well, she says we're not replacement theology. We're fulfillment theology. I've never even heard that term. I love it. It's not an official term, but great. But really what she's blending over into is what I would call a hybrid theology, which brings in covenant theology. And I would definitely lean more towards covenant theology. We're going to get to covenant. Okay, we're going to get to covenant, but she's pulling that in. Well, as a piece, but she's not nuanced, but she's not here. I haven't heard the whole. No, no, no, it's it's mind blowing. My brother, Pastor Jimmy, it is mind blowing because this programming, when I hear Tucker Carlson say,

33:42it's all over the Bible. I'm like, no, it's not it's like, no, it's quite the opposite and that we'll get to, but now we get the explanation from her. And this is just a mom, you know, she was a beauty queen, but she's a mom and she just trying to do the right thing. And I have to be honest, she sounds very bitter. She's got a bitter tone and maybe for good reasons, but well, I think she's she's been screwed around her whole life. Yeah, she's very hurt, but yeah, but this is the conversation. This is what is driving the entire narrative. And once we can get down to the the basics of what it is and what it isn't, then at least we can feel good about defending whatever we want to defend. But they're accusing you of believing in something called replacement theology. For people who don't follow this and I'm kind of one of them, I don't fully understand what that means. What do they mean by that? They believe that so replacement theology, their claim is that the church has replaced Israel. So for 2000 years, that's what all of the early church fathers have taught that we are the

34:43new Israel, we're the spiritual semites. They would literally be rolling in their graves if they thought that we were being told that 1948 Israel is some biblical prophecy fulfillment. I mean, that alone is insane. That they think that this political state of Israel that was created in 48, mostly by atheists, is some biblical prophecy being fulfilled. And I mean, you're aware of Darby in Scofield and these, this is the fruit of that. And I have a feeling that there are politicians who absolutely believe that the 1948 Israel is fulfillment of prophecy. Yes. And it may well be, but I'm like, whatever God's timing, God's deal, I don't know if we're supposed to defend the government. I mean, there've been a lot of bad governments in Israel, a lot

35:43of bad kings, a lot of, you know, a lot of bad stuff is going on and going on there. But this is the schism. And I don't think all politicians believe this, but whether they're using it as a reason to go along to get along with the military industrial complex and they're hiding behind it, whether they fully believe it. I'm not exactly sure. But this is what leads to this label of Zionism. So when you hear Ted Cruz defending a genesis saying trying to defend, you know, if you bless Israel, you will be blessed in sending money or supporting militarily the Israeli army, government, etc. This is where the term Christian Zionism comes from, which this good Catholic girl has never heard of. Was there any other place in America, I mean, in the world, rather, where you have a big group

36:44of Christians who believe that 1948 Israel is a fulfillment of prophecy? No. In fact, do you know Tucker that I asked my priest who I had several, I had about six priests guiding me before this hearing, spiritually advising me before this hearing, because I wanted to make sure I need to make sure that I know what I'm saying and that it's actually accurate with what the church teaches. That church. And I'll never forget he's from Spain. God bless him. He's so, so sweet. And I said, Father, do you know what Zionism is? He looked at me like I was an alien and he's like, what Zionism? I couldn't believe it. I said, you realize in America that these people like Pala white, Dan Patrick, Ted Cruz, most of our politicians in government who have power who are in the White House praying over the president, there's Zionists. They believe that 1948 Israel is a biblical prophecy fulfillment. He looked at me like I was crazy. He said, nobody's ever taught that.

37:46So this made me think, do Catholics in America are they completely into fulfillment and replacement? That's a good question. I can't answer for Catholicism and their theology on that. I know that when we were in Israel 2005, we were very connected to and involved with the largest messianic church there. These were actual Jewish people who had embraced Jesus Christ as the Messiah and there was a thriving church up in the Hatha Bay area. Still there going strong. One of the largest congregations, they believe that 1948 was a fulfillment of biblical prophecy that there would be a day where they would be back in their land and they would the land that they believe God, by scripture, promised them. And so when she says something so definitive, as no one else believes this anywhere in the world, I'm going, you're wrong.

38:49But this is Christians. This is the enemy speaking through her. I mean, I'm trying to have some compassion too. I'm trying to nail her. I'm just saying, when you say those nowhere, nothing, no one was definitive terms, you're using a very wide paintbrush and you're brushing these wide strokes. And I'm hearing that in the rhetoric a lot where no one seems, I just did it. Not many people are trying to qualify my terms. Not many people are actually leaving room for the nuance to say, well, I may not believe everything exactly the way you say it, but yet I do see support for the truth or the idea in Romans, the book of Romans that we as the Gentiles have been grafted into the vine, which makes us partners and brothers and sisters. And then I look

39:50in Ephesians 2 and I find, wait, the dividing wall has been broken down between you and Gentile, they are now one new man. So you can make a good case either way, but I think you can make a good or a better case for the C word that you wouldn't let me say earlier. No, this is where it's open for you. It's the covenant, it's the idea of covenant theology where God made covenants with Israel. And we are now, and she's the word that I would use that we're in this long narrative. You know, you look at the narrative of the scripture. And a lot of prophecies are now fulfilled now and fulfilled then. So they're layered in nature. They don't always have just one thing. They're typically stacked. And so you'll see something happen then that pertain to that prophetic word being spoke, especially here, Isaiah and all of them. Isaiah is equal. But there's also

40:57future future implications. You get the book of Revelation and go, wow, he's mirroring back to Ezekiel. He's mirroring back to Isaiah. He's, you know, so it's both and not either or. And I think that's where I'm struggling to use the word binary where it makes this hard definition between either or and no room for both. And well, that's, that's what I had to discover. I thought it was binary. I thought it was replacement theology dispensationalism. And the more I listen to you and and the more we just had conversations, the more I realize, oh, wait a minute. You heard the the keyword here is scoffield study. They say scoffield Bible, but we talked about the scoffield study Bible. And so the conspiracy theory, and this is, this is my territory. You want to launch a conspiracy theory? I'm going to look into it. So the theory is that the whole Christian everybody in Christianity believes in the fulfillment and replacement theology until this guy came

42:03along. And here comes, and he edited the scoffield study Bible, which technically, linguistically, yes, he edited a study Bible. People take that as he edited the Bible and I'm not kidding. This is the genesis of the problem. And created this, this hoax, this, this non-truth so that people now be politically motivated to defend the 1948 state of Israel at any cost. And this is the reason we're in the war and we'll pick up covenant theory right off this short clip. Yeah, it's really scary. Well, it's yeah. And especially since we just, you know, wound up in a war thanks to this. I mean, it's hard not to see this as all preparation for for this war, which is resetting the world. And they had to get rid of the, the only dissenter of that of Zionism. They had to get rid of her on this commission before the war. It was within weeks.

43:03This is the enemy's best, best move ever. He is made people believe that because of this non-binary choice, because when I look at scoffield, I had to go and look at the study Bible passage in me. This became difficult for me. He actually talks about covenant theory in there as well and rejects it out of whole cloth. No, no, no, it can only be dispensationalism and it's these periods. So I'm like, oh, hold on a second. So he doesn't even think. So they may have actually that Bible, that study Bible may have been set up for some reason, possibly, but nobody's talking about covenant theology, which to me, it's right there in black and white what God has through man has written in there. This is not something from 19, you know, from the late 1800s.

44:05It's not from a study Bible. This is from the original text. Not somebody to opinion about. No. And for people now to use this as the excuse, oh, this is why we're going to war. Excuse my French bull crab. No, it's about oil. And this, this is a side show, which is hurting, I think it's hurting believers who want to just like, and we learned this from our buddy Joe who wrote in and said, what do you mean you support Israel? Yeah, yeah, that was good. I'm glad he did. And they just think it through. Yes. And I think this was God bringing us to this point. Like, can we just discuss what is really going on here? And from your theological standpoint, which I believe is the same as mine, I don't, I'm not a theologian, but I'm a Jesus freak. And I can read like, we pray for the peace of Jerusalem. I pay play for peace in the Middle least. Absolutely. If the 1948 Israeli state is part of fulfillment of scripture, hallelujah, that has, that doesn't change my opinion of war or, or, you know, killing people one

45:11way, the other or a government, you know, do I, do I even like my government here in America? That isn't, doesn't that has nothing to do with it? And is that a correct way of saying it? Well, eschatology, your viewpoint, and there's dozens of them out there. But, you know, we talked about the top three in terms of Israel. It does, it does frame what you say, what it frames your worldview. But it doesn't have to change your worldview. And here's the thing is, we've got to be able to think and talk about these things and have good conversations about them as opposed to coming in. Well, no one does rise outside of America, outside of the White House is what she is. They're the only ones. Republican party. I mean, just the broad stroke language is, is completely what's been so frustrating over the last few decades in America where if you don't agree with me on every point, then you hate me, you know, it's, it's more of that type of rhetoric. But now it's been drug into theology. It's been drug into Christianity. It's been

46:14into the faith realm. So now faith becomes a weapon again. I believe the first time. And I believe it's a weapon, political weapon to break apart the conservative right. Absolutely. Which is probably work of Satan itself. Like he's, he has fingerprints all over this for 150 years. You know, at the end of the day, we, we need to be honest about things. Does, does my theology, then the worth theologists, all it means is a logic king about theos. Theyos. God, Supreme Court. Go and agree. Theology is the study of or the logic king of the thinking about God. The scripture tells us we've been given the mind of Christ. Now, that doesn't mean we're using it. But we've been given it. You know what I'm saying? That's me. I'm always tapping into it. There are days I'm not. There's weeks I'm not. But at the end of the day, if we will pause and say, Lord, your word says that I've been given the mind of Christ. And it also says I've not been given a spirit of fear, but of power and love and of a sound mind, the ability to think, well, Lord,

47:20I want to apply these things. I want to apply this truth to me as I think about, as I pray about, as I read, as I study, as I ask questions. And yet what we see are these, this bold bulldozer type. It's not a conversation. These are just a series of monologues that are out there, especially on podcasts. Yes, we are. Yes. Instead of people being humble and saying, you know what? prove me wrong. Help me understand. Maybe I'm not getting it. Maybe, maybe I don't know the scripture. I'd love to hear Tucker say, you know, I really don't know the Bible. I'm new to this. I'm learning. But for him to say blatantly out loud with passion, it's on every page. I mean, it's just shocking to me the lack of humility that we need that we can, that we should be approaching these things in. I see covenant theology as, I don't even know if it's a blend or an hybrid, but, but it's the middle ground of saying, there's this beautiful narrative of God

48:25coming to earth in the form of a sun, Jesus, to redeem the mistakes, to redeem the sin, to redeem the mishaps and missteps of mankind. Now, how that impacts Israel, how it impacts anybody, at the end of the day, it impacts every human being on the planet. So can we set some of this stuff aside and talk about the real issues here? And it is this is Jesus Christ, who he says he was, is he the Messiah? Is he the one they waited so long for? Well, according to Simeon, the prophet who held up baby Jesus like Mufasa holding him up, I could hear the song, right? Who waited his entire lifetime to see the fulfillment of the Messiah coming and he came. And can we focus on what needs to be focused on? But what these, what I'm seeing in podcast land, and I heard a pastor say this recently on his platform is, is they're not building anyone up. They're in the business of

49:27tearing people down for likes and clicks and sponsors. And it's like what happened to being a life giving force on the air or on in podcast world on the internet of saying, let's build something up, let's build something good. And that doesn't mean disparaging everybody who doesn't agree with you. So that's where my struggle is when we get into these these arguments over which kind of theology you're living in. But I hear what you're saying, because it, whatever that is, it frames, it frames how you see the world, it frames how you interpret a war where Israel and America seemed to have partnered up. I got like a guy who did 11 tours in the Middle East whose wife was killed by an IED in Syria. She was also a military. He just quit his job because he is convinced that Israel dragged us into a war that we were supposed to fight

50:31for them. This breaks my heart. Wow. That's that's the level that it's come to. And so when Matt Long has a question like that, how can we, as believers, address this without showing a binary choice? And also I would say to someone like Tucker like, if you know the Bible so well, perhaps you need to look at the, you know, what's in your own eye when you're trying to get the speck out of someone else's, you know, it's like we can talk all day and proverbs and different scripture about who's right or who's wrong. Right. The compassion has been thrown out the window. And it is the enemy who just wants the world to hate Jews and Israel because that is the result. So that has to be, that has to be the mission. And that by itself tells me that prophecy is underway and it's trying to be stopped by the, the ongoing war in the heavenly realm. It actually substantiates the

51:35prophetic. Yes. You have to share something about the theology. Covenant theology sees the whole Bible as one unfolding story of God's promises to his people. So there's continuity in this often highlighting continuity like the church being grafted into the family of faith. That's something that a lot of people forget is that we are not the vine. We were grafted into it. And that puts us not first. It puts us with. Yeah. See the difference. Replacement theology, though a controversial label suggests the church fully replaces Israel and God's plan, meaning the promises of Israel to are now only fulfilled in the church. Covenant theology however usually sees a role for both more of a grafting in rather than a replacement. This is why if I had to identify and say I'm this, which I wrestle with that because I'm all about definitions and nuances and it's almost dangerous to say I'm this. It's like buying a prefabbed home. You didn't choose anything. You just stepped

52:41into what somebody else built. That's why I struggle with a lot of these labels. But what I would say I'm more closely aligned with is Covenant theology. And it's because of Romans, the book of Romans about being grafted into the vine and that we're to be thankful for that and thankful to the Jewish people for that. There's a lot of things going on here. I want to share a couple of things. Listen to what, and this is it out of 1 Peter chapter 2 and it talks about this. It says this, but you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's special possession. Now you just read that without any context. A lot of people are going to say, oh well that's Israel because that's from the book of Ezekiel. And then you have to come back and say actually this was written to the church. This was written to who were both Jews and Gentiles. That's why in,

53:46this is why in Ephesians chapter 2, listen to this, 14, for he himself is our peace. Christ is our peace who has made us both one. And he's talking about Jews and Gentiles. He has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility. So to me, when I read that, I don't see either or it's either that's the binary thing. I see it as both and that's the continuity of Covenant theology where yes, God still has a plan for his people. And will I continue to pray for them? Absolutely. According to God's word, I'll stand on that and pray for them and ask God to save them because it says until the time of the Gentiles is fulfilled. Well, it hasn't been fulfilled yet because evangelism is still happening. The great commission is still happening. So in the meantime, I pray for the redemption and the salvation of Israel and Jerusalem, of course,

54:47that they would come to know Jesus Christ as savior. I don't mean that to be offensive to any Jewish person. It's from a heart of love. It's from a heart of compassion. It's from a heart of somebody who was not always a Christian, you know, a guy who like you later in life came to Christ and was like, oh my goodness, this is amazing. And then as a new Christian, you're looking at going, what are you guys fighting all about? Why are you guys fighting all the time? We got business. We got work to do. Yes. We have a good message to share with everybody else, but we're going to sit and you made a comment. The side issue, the side thing, our sidebar, whatever you said, something earlier. And that's really what happens. That the sidebar things become the main thing, which distracts us from the real main thing. Yes. Yes. And that is sharing the love of God, sharing the mercy of God, the grace of God, the heart of God. And to my world, my Jewish friends, Israeli friends, I'm looking at you, Sir Brian. I love that guy, by the way. What I love about him is

55:51we can discuss. I can discuss Christ with him. And he'll just say, oh yeah, you know, just so you just so you know, we see him as an insurrection as he wasn't the guy. And we can move on from there. Exactly. And we can move on and I hate conversation. And it's not like I'm not praying for him. He's praying for me. We are. Yeah. And that's what's beautiful. Yeah. It's just so unfortunate that our culture, particularly in America, but also in Europe and other continents is obsessed with this. And unfortunately, I've seen the results of how some of this ends up. And it's not pretty. And then everyone was, oh, that really sucked. We shouldn't have done that. We should have killed all these Jews. And oh, right. Let's reboot. And we won't do that again. And it gets so bad where, you know, you get restrictions on freedom of speech, which are kind of creeping in very slowly, which I'm a little nervous about. I mean, to say to a university, you can't have this kind of

56:53speech going on or we won't fund you. It's like, that's borderline. It's almost the problem in the opposite. It's like overcorrecting. It's like overcorrecting wokeness. Like, no, no, no, we can't have that either. So there's all these issues. When ultimately, and this won't happen in the next four years, but I think we'll see the President Trump did a very courageous thing. If he pulls it off and he believes he will, we could see an incredible flourishing of peace in the Middle East and prosperity, prosperity for all, including the Iranian people. Exactly. And the Syrians, and Jordanians, and Iraqis, and it really could get to a great place. He did an amazing thing. I just have to mention this. Did you see the state of the union where you probably saw the clip where he said, if you think Americans should be supported by the government over illegal aliens, stand up. Yes. And, you know, half of the Democrats award didn't get up. Yeah.

57:55In essence, did the same thing. He said, anybody who thinks that we should be taking down this regime and opening up the Straits of Hormuz and keeping that safe, send your ships over. He said that on Sunday. On Monday, he said, well, there you go. You guys are no good. We'll remember what that was was we're taking away that premium of $15 on a barrel of oil. We're going to take that. We're going to secure it. We're going to ensure shipping. Now, he's not there yet. I'm just going to pray for him that he gets thematically deconstructing. He's pulling a part of very old worldwide financial power, global system. And instead of seeing that and praying for him and for our military men and for everyone in the conflict, we're obsessed with this exactly. With this one issue that is all ultimately meant to influence the midterm elections.

58:57Can I settle something? Please do. Can I just kind of go to the end of the story? Yeah, it was a whole Harvey moment here. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Romans 11, 25 and 26. This is where in these arguments, whether it's Tucker and this lady or Tucker and who everybody seems like Tucker and everybody right now. He's always talking about this. No one has ever pulled this passage up. Romans 11, 25 says this. This is the Apostle Paul in his completely amazing epic work, theological work, weight and gravity, the book of Romans. It's the greatest knowledge. It is big. He says, I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited or arrogant. Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. So right there, God in his plan, which is bigger than we can even wrap our minds around, he puts a cap on Israel not to punish them,

1:00:02but to create an opportunity for us to come into the same blessing. This is huge. This goes back to the grafting and the vine, but listen how he ends it. Verse 26, and in this way, all Israel will be saved. As it is written, the deliverer will come from Zion. That was Christ. He came out of out of Israel. He will turn godlessness away from Jacob. He's saying that because the Israel lights in a sense were forced to participate in the fullness of the Gentiles, the Gentiles coming in. He's saying because of that great sacrifice, then they will be saved. They will be redeemed. This is what Paul was trying to help understand and that it was a mystery because people didn't understand is why would why would God turn the Israelites, the Jewish peoples face away from Christ.

1:01:05And it was in order that the Gentiles would be able to come in. And when that time is up, whatever the fullness of time, then he says all of Israel will be saved. This is where I go back to when people are just losing their minds over this stuff. And I go, can we just read the end of the book? Let's read the end of this treatise of the Apostle Paul who declares both is going to happen. The Gentiles are going to come in. The fullness. That's us. You and I are reaping that right now. But also the Jewish people Israel will be saved. It's it's all Iggbock. It's going to be okay. My favorite coffee mug. It's going to be okay. God has a plan. He's working the plan. We can split hairs on it all day long and get mad and get upset and create 500 more podcasts. You know what I mean? Yeah. It gets sponsors and clicks and lots and all that. But at the end of the day, we're taking something that's already been settled in scripture and just pontificating about

1:02:09it. Amen. And slaughtering one another verbally, relationally, families are divided over this kind of stuff. That is not the intent of scripture to divide. Although it does say father return against his son. I mean, it does divide. He came to divide very nature and yet he's the prince of peace. You know, for me, it's like I don't portend. That's the right word. I don't know what God's plan is. Jesus said he'd know when it was all going to happen. Even the son of God does not know when it's going to happen. So why would I even be bothered worrying about it? I've got a job to do. That's one job and that is, you know, go out and make more disciples. I think that's the only job. Yeah. It's not my job to argue about other stuff. And here's what we know. And I'm sorry to interrupt. No, please. It's very important. He is coming again. Yes. He's coming back. And that was the primary driver of the first century when they said of the

1:03:15disciples, these men are turning the world upside down. That was the driver. Jesus promised he would come back and they lived into that promise. And because he's carried because he didn't, that doesn't diminish what it accomplished. And it should be accomplishing the same thing in you and me. We're 2000 years closer to him coming back. And tomorrow will be another day 24 hours closer, which means the further this goes down, the higher the probability of that this could be the day. This could be the year. And that should drive us. What it should do is create guardrails on our lives to say, I want to be ready. That's what the whole point of eschatology is. It's not to have charts and graphs and numbers and all this. But that makes for a great podcast. Well, sells books and make movies. I mean, it's all kinds of all industry built around this. But at the end of the day, it is meant to be a driver for us to give us guardrails so that we are

1:04:16ready when he returns whenever that is. I'm going to end it. I'm going to end it on that brother. I really appreciate your insight on this course. And I hope someone someone out there got something from this. And you can just calm down calm down. It's going to be okay. Yes. And with that, we will land this plane. We'll be back next week with another episode of We Get To Do This.