About this episode
Calm people are often underestimated and tested. In this episode, Shabieko explores why composure is so easily mistaken for weakness, particularly for Black women navigating corporate spaces. Using the metaphor of water versus fire, Shabieko talks about projection, stereotypes, and the quiet power of emotional control. Water doesn’t announce itself, but it reshapes everything it touches. This episode is a reminder that calm isn’t harmless. and it was never meant to be.
Get every episode summarized
Each time In Conversation With Shabieko Ivy publishes, we email you a written briefing from the transcript — the topics, who appeared, and any specific claims, with the ad reads skipped.
Email me new episodesFree for 3 shows. No card needed.
Hosts & guests
No transcript yet
This episode has not been transcribed. Request it and it moves to the front of the queue.
More episodes
