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0:00This is Utah Golf Radio for the next two hours. We'll give you the best coverage of Golf and Utah. Now bringing you inside the ropes. Here's Paul Pugmeyer. Good morning, Utah Golf Radio. Coming to you live today from Davis Park, where we are here to celebrate the Davis Park Am. We're in a fun, fun and hands-on. The Utah schedule each year. We're coming to you in partnership with Utah's leading golf organizations, the Utah Golf Association, the Utah Section PGA, Fairways Media, the Utah Golf Foundation, the Utah Golf Course Superintendents Association, the Utah Junior Golf Association, and first to Utah. I am Paul Pugmeyer, your host and president of first to Utah. We want to welcome in our co-hosts for the day. That would be former Weber State Horse Beast and Patrick Fishburn's agent. I'm talking Rob to Spain, Rob. Good morning. Welcome to the show. Thanks for having me, Paul. So glad to be able to have a chance to sit down with you, Rob.

1:01There's a lot we want to talk about as we go through the day. But first, let us welcome and bring in our special guests for the top of the show here. I'm talking just an absolute star of the Utah game, a leader in the Utah Golf community in the Utah Section PGA. That is head professional at Davis Park, Zach Johnson. Zach, good morning. Welcome to the show. Good morning, Paul. Thanks for having me, Rob. Good to see you. Thanks for the warm welcome. So glad. Oh, you're very, we are really grateful to you for taking time to sit down with us. Turns out you're busy this morning. You had to beat the sun, getting here. Just barely. Yeah. I think I was going about 84 this morning to get here by 6.30. So it was just a normal morning. So today is the Davis Am, which is not a normal morning. How big is the field? Tell us a little bit about what you've got going on here because this is always a big event. No, this is a fun day. This is a pinnacle on the calendar for sure.

2:01So 176 players. Split T start this morning. First the balls went in the air at 7.30. So we've got to wait from 7.30 to 9.30. And then full field from 12 to 2. So big field modified stable for great sponsor and Rhett Weaver and lifetime home loans puts on a great advantage. Yeah. Rhett's one of those guys who shows up. Right. He shows up. He does. He loves golf. He's an avid golfer, huge supporter, very... He's a big hearted generous guy. So he's a big part of us to why this has been as fun as it is. That is cool. And tell us about some of the players you've got in the field that we need to be keeping our eye on today. Well, you know, Rhett's... He's a heck of a player. And I've got paired with him the final round. Valley View opened earlier this year. So hopefully Rhett can come up show out for his own tournament. Well, I'll tell you, if he's good enough to be paired with you on the second day of a tournament

3:02after key times are adjusted, he's showing a lot. Yeah, Rhett can play. But there's the first flight, first 44 players, I think, is a 1.7 or less on their index. So a lot of scratch golfers, a lot of strong players. And then a lot of local guys from the men's association and guys that play up here all the time, a lot of state renowned golfing celebrities. So you never know. But in this format, it's fun. It comes down to making birdies and avoiding doubles. So it's not just score today. It's there's some strategy in how you play as well. Yeah, that's a really good point. And the nature of a stable foot is that it makes you aggressive. It makes you cut corners off the tee. It makes you shoot at pins. And one of the opportunities on this golf course is to set it up with pins put in to really difficult spots. Just walking in this morning, that front left pin on number nine, that looks like no fun, man. Yeah, we try and protect the golf course.

4:04But I'll tell you this year, the crew has done a tremendous job with being on water restrictions and having hot summer and it's been a challenge to balance. It looks good, of course. Of course, conditions and keeping everybody happy. So kudos to Tyler Wardle, our superintendent and his crew. This is a big week. There's stars all around this week and they know this is their chance to put their best foot forward and take pride in the product they're putting out. And I can tell you the golf course is in remarkable shape right now. It's good as I've ever seen it. No mind. I've been here for quite some time. True. But yeah, back to your pins. It is short. The greens are immaculate. So you start them online that go in. But we try and protect the scores with some pin placements, use some edges. But also, there's some slope out there. So we're conscious of that and don't want to put any bad pins. So we are worried about pace of play. So we don't want to beat them up. Fair enough, but Rob, Zach saying there's some slope out there

5:06about Davis Park. Yeah, I think that's true. Couple of greens. Very true. We all have played this course. We all love this course. It is. It's on the love list in Utah golf. Everybody loves coming here. Rob, you're from up here in the northern part of the state. You're an Ogden guy, of course. But I'm interested in some of your experiences here at Davis Park. Well, back in my play and days in the amateur, this was a major. OK. Yeah. The Davis AM, the Valley BIM, those were kind of first circles on your list. But it's not by accident that we're here this morning. Modified stable for the interesting format. We, I played that two weeks ago in Scotland and club. I'm a member of our international club championship as a modified stable for. OK. And I'm thinking, man, I don't play this very often. To Paul's description, you aim in a few flags. You cut a few corners.

6:07Fun, fun event. And you're kind of never out of it versus when you're playing metal play. If you get up to a rough start, it's kind of a long day or a catch up day. But with stable for to avoid the double. Avoid the double and lightning can strike it anytime. You get on a little run and it can turn around quick. Well, that'll be a fun day. But I got to tell you, Paul, coming up the road, this morning, Nichols Road. First side of the golf course is part of Three Fairway, Two Green. I could smell cut grass. I pulled in, saw the Davis Park amateur. My old brain said, Rob, your clubs are in the back. What if someone doesn't show? Please don't tell me, Zach, if someone doesn't show. I just had to throw some on the tee, Rob. We can cut this short and get you on the tee there. I know. No, I just need to go home. But I'm here to do the country club after. So I'll go play the old OGCC today. And fun. This whole week has been busy for you, Zach.

7:10In addition to this event, earlier this week, you hosted the Davis Park Open. And here's a shock. I'm looking at the top of the leaderboard and says, Zach Johnson. You know him? Maybe. No. It was a polluc. I got lucky to tie Destin, our director. So fun to share the title with Destin, our director, and everybody's familiar with Destin, both great player. But yeah, we'll joint custody with the trophy. Joint custody. We didn't play it off because one of us would have gone home mad. So we just kept it. Well, your colleagues and friends, I get not playing it off. You know, my favorite not played off ever was the 73 NCAA. It was Ben Crenshaw and Tom Cite, not only team mates, roommates. And similar pedigree to this week, yeah. Anyway, no. So you guys, you guys, you and Destin, click in with a minus 764.

8:11Good for the win. And like you said, chose not to play it off, which I respect. There was a really terrific picture that was floating around on social media this week of you guys holding either side of the cup with, you know, with the handles on the cup and you're pulling off, pulling in different directions with a tug of war with the cup between you was staged. But still a nice looking picture. In solo third Tommy Sharp minus 65 and then rounding out the top five all at T4 Joshua, Letti, Cameron Saunders and Dusty Fielding, they were at minus 467. So you and Destin, of course, colleagues, very good friends, you and Tommy Sharp, very good friends. Always nice seeing Tommy one shot back. That's exactly right. I have to take it back for a short time. I hope you're listening. But yeah, one shot, buddy. That was exactly my question. What was more satisfying? Was it getting the win or was it being a shot above Tommy? Do I have to answer that on air?

9:13No. Tommy's a great friend and heck of a player. Oh, he is. Yeah, it's always nice, edging him by one. That had no that had that is really good. And look, when you beat Tommy by one, you know, you've played some golf. Absolutely. On the senior side, Chris Moody and Todd Tanner, again, tied. They came in at minus 4 67s in solo third, Dave DeSantis, minus 2 69, solo fourth, Kevin Canole, even par 71. And then rounding out in the top five, we had a tie with Ryan Reese and Eric Nielsen. They were at T5 plus one for the seniors. And then one of the things that I like that you do at this event is that you make it a good event for the women to play. But they continued the theme. And each of the divisions, we had ties. How was it? All around. All around. In this case, Emily Jones and Haley Sturgeon, they were T1 at plus 4 75, Bridget Volk, who is on the staff here.

10:20We love him, Bridget around. Yeah, she is a rising presence in the Utah section and the daughter of Dustin Volk. She was T3 with Hall of Famers Sue Nies. They were a shot back at plus 5 76. And then Cassie Campos rounds out the top five. She was at plus 6 77. So all around, good scores, really good field. Strong field. Yeah, you attracted a field here. We've had 69 players, so we always get a strong turn out, which we appreciate the support. But a couple other fun notes. Jordan Gibbs made a holamon on hole two. So that was a highlight of the day. Yeah, it's always fun to see a one on the card. Kind of have to double check, make sure you're entering that right. Like, exactly. You know, and then Kevin Canoli, 71 was a great score playing the backties, but he brought up some statistics on his run. He had 20 puts per the day. Oh, I don't think I'd, you know, I'd average 20 per nine. So, yeah, I mean, he put 18 holes. Yeah.

11:20Was he, how good of a putter he is and, you know, how good the greens were. So, yeah, pretty good. I think he had three two puts and two whole hours. One was off the fringe. So, wow, pretty, yeah. I can't fathom 20 putters. Yeah, I'm trying to process that. Yeah, I can't either. But if you want to improve your potting, improve your chipping. Yeah, miss greens. Yeah. Even the best in the world, even the guys I watched with Patrick out on door. Best in the world hits four. I think that's a good thing. I think that's a good thing. I think the best thing is I watched with Patrick out on door. Best in the world hits 14 sometimes 15 greens. So it means you're chipping three, four times. So then you bake that down to our level. We're chipping for five six times. But if you're a great chipper and can sneak him up to that friend zone, the putts go down. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. You know, putting an interest in statistic, because green's in red and proximity that's more shots game, you know, if you're free

12:23button from 20 feet, that's more crucial than... Exactly. Well, the statistics that, you know, people tend to really love the aphorism, driver's show, putt for dough, and it's lyrical, I appreciate that. But the reality is exactly what you're saying, Zach. Pudding is just a number of puts really difficult to translate into what it means because it could mean a number of different things. Feet of puts made total on the round, that can get your attention, that can tell you some things. But shots gained, of course, is the very best measure. But it is fascinating to me that the statistics that you can draw a line from the statistics to... And this is on the PJ tour, so the greatest players on the planet, but that you can draw a line from the performance on the stat to FedEx points and money one. Those are greens, regulation, and proximity. In other words, hit it on the green and how close to

13:29the hole are you hitting it. And those you can draw a straight line to performance with. Makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. It truly does. Put it on the green, give yourself a look. And then the fascinating part of that is, okay, so you're on the green, you've got to look what's happening now as you're comparing the great players, again, the PJ tour players, the best 200 on the planet against the rest of us, fascinating statistical breakdown there. From four feet in, they are way better. They're making 98% of those. From 30 feet out, they don't three putt. We do. Well, yesterday we had the Summer Hayes charity event and not to interrupt, but Dan Summer Hayes put on a heck of a putting clinic. And he gave us statistic on the tour. 32 feet is the number. Okay. Four player does not free putt from 32 feet. They don't get the same. This is the same. This is the same. 32 feet and it starts, you know, it might be 2.1, he was saying. Yeah. That stood out to me that 32 feet. And I mean, you think about that. A 30 footer.

14:34You get on the wrong side. But to think that the best in the world are not three putting their averages two or less. Yeah. 32 feet. They're just, you know, the reason they're the best in the world. And that adds up. And when you're watching these guys on TV folks, pay attention to how many times for their second putt, they might be high, low, right, left, short, long, whatever. But for their second putt, they're just tapping it in. They don't need to mark their second putt. Very much. No, definitely. Their speed's great. And that's something. That's what makes a good putter. Yeah. Good speed and be great from inside five feet. That's what tort players do. Zach, you are one of the top players among the pros in the state. One of the top players in the state. You have won the Utah Open. You're constantly on the leaderboard and frequently coming away with the trophy, just like you did this week, even though shared custody. I'm going to steal that. What do you in your game? Now, I've watched you play a lot. And I've got some thoughts on this. But in your game, what do you view as the thing that gives you that status as a player that gives

15:43you that skill as a player? What do you do? Well, yeah, like talent or physical ability. It's not that. That's for sure. I'm just competitive. I love to compete. I don't like showing up and not competing. You want to be in the mix. You want to compete. And so it just comes down to mindset and knowing what I can do on the golf course. I mean, I don't hit it long. I don't hit it super straight. I don't hit it close to the hole. You know, all these stats you're talking about, I don't know. I wouldn't say I have a strength that stands out. But I think maybe the key is I don't have anything that's, you know, an Achilles heel that keeps me from playing decent. So I was saying it's just kind of like I praise it like my 11 year old. It's my game's mid. Mid. Everything's mid. There's no high, no low, but just know what I can do.

16:45Okay, Rob, I'm interested in your thoughts on this. We're sitting with one of the great champions of the state here. He says this game's mid. Are you buying it? I'm buying it. Yeah, yeah. Okay. I'm buying it only from the he doesn't beat himself. Okay. If you're gonna, if you're gonna beat Zach, you're gonna have to do it with your own sticks. He's not gonna beat himself. Uh, and he's probably not hung up if his ball is one more stripe off. That where he was aiming. He's not gonna worry about that. He's gonna go find it and hit it again. But probably not gonna make many big numbers on holes. Kind of a jack Nicholas, Scotty Sheffler. He watched Scotty plot himself around the golf course. Well, here's a couple other names you knad to that list. Tiger Woods and Ben Hogan. Again, they didn't beat themselves. Yeah. I'm fascinated to hear to hear you analyze it like that, Rob, because that ends up being in exactly the same place I am. This is what I've seen, Zach. You don't beat yourself. Yeah. You keep the ball in front of you and you are in the hole all the time. Yeah, that comes back to my set.

17:49It's, you know, what does the hole require? What can I, you don't have to birdie every hole? But you also, if you learn to not make worse than a bogey, you know, it's very impacting on your score. So it's discipline. It's patience. It's not letting a bad shot bother you because trust me, I hit plenty of them. You know, you're not gonna make every putt. I mean, I wish I had a 20 putt round. But, you know, I don't know what that would total to. I probably have to miss 18 green seven 20 putt. But no, it's, yeah, so much of it. The more you play, it's like your physical ability, especially, you know, I'm 43 now. I'm getting slower older. Your baby. Yeah, I wish. I feel like I'm should have grandkids by now the way my body feels. But I can tell you grandkids are great. But yeah, so much. It's just mindset knowing what you can do, not let in a bad shot bother you and just kind of tackling one whole other time. Yeah. You know, I always used to tell my oldest son Nick was really good player, really good collegiate player.

18:52And we used to talk about keeping the golf course in front of you. Just walk up on the tee, look at I don't want to get super analytical. But what was the architect thinking here? Where do I need to hit the tee? Yeah, what does the whole require? Yeah, there's always a way out. Like there's very few holes, especially at Davis that you have to step up. That's like, okay, I have to get a good shot. You usually have one side or the other that you can favor, take trouble out of play. And yeah, it's okay to hit an approach out from the rough. You know, better golf course. But the more championship style golf course, maybe you have to change your approach a little bit. But there's ways you can plot your way around by, yeah, what's in front of me? What is the golf course? What is the last player? Exactly. Yeah. And I don't have to hit driver here. I don't have to make birdie here. There's a couple of whole, yeah, but Rob, that's a great point. You know, we live in a time of analytics. There's never been a time in the history of the game where there's so many analytics shots, gain, bogey avoidance. Tristamy kind of crazy. Yeah, too much.

19:53I used to say grip stance posture. Yeah. 11 to 14 greens in regulation. No penalties, no three pots under 30 pots. You'll win the golf tournament. And that adds up. That adds up. I just had a talk the other day with a student. It's like, look, he's asking, do you, this was last night at a football game. It's, you know, just a random friend. He's like, do you teach? Unfortunately, I said, I don't teach anymore. But you know, what do you shoot? And he tells me and it's like, okay, what do you struggle with? He tells me and it's like, look, here's the key to playing golf. Be able to get off the tee, keep it in play, he'll void penalty shot. Get it on or around the green in regulation. You don't, I mean, you can hit nine greens in 18 holes. But if you're on or around the green in regulation, and you can chip and put, the score's not going to be bad. No, you're going to have fun playing golf. You're going to shoot good scores. And the day you hit 13, 14, 15 greens, you're going to shoot par better. But it's avoiding big mistakes off the tee, not compounding mistakes and just being able to keep the golf course in the

20:54ball in front of you. I hope you're all listening out there. Simple, simple formula, right Rob? You got time, Paul, for just really quick one, please. So I used to preach that philosophy to my own son Nick that was playing collegially. I'm mowing the lawn one evening. I probably should have been on the road with him watching his collegiate tournament. My wife walks out, hands me her phone. It's Nick. And he says this to me, starts conversation with 15 greens in regulation. No penalties, no three puts, 27 pots. I said, I said, how far did you win? Yeah. Yeah. And he said, Dad, I let the field. Yeah. Yeah. And collegiate event. So it's it's just, you know, we make it sound simple sitting here looking out the window and not having to go out there and hit a shot. But there's a thousand stats out there. But if you just just keep the ball on the golf course, don't three whack. Yeah, you don't have to hit every drive perfect. You don't have to hit every iron shot in the center.

21:56Clubs are forgiving. It's just managing misses and knowing it's a game of misses. And I'm going to let everyone in on a low secret. The ball doesn't know where it's at. The ball doesn't know the difference. So if you're if you're beating yourself up without a 4-T shot, show some gratitude when you don't have a blocked view of your second shot. The ball doesn't know it's rough. The ball doesn't know it's missed the green. I can give you an example of that Thursday. There was some some, you know, locals outwatching and I got up on 13-T and I hit a terrible drive. Like Toe smothered it. I think it might have went 250 in the left rough and I had 292 to the flag. And you don't hit three wood right in the middle of the green and got you walked up to me and said, man, you just caught my kid a lesson. You don't have to let a bad shot bother you. I said that was incredible. And it's like, you know, when you drive at that bad, you better hit a good shot after. But you know, a bad shot. One bad shot does not kill you. No, so true. And it's when you find your golf ball that that means it wasn't that bad a shot.

23:00Exactly. So yeah, so just exactly that and get going. Good stuff. Zach, thank you for joining us. It's always a pleasure to see you. Always a pleasure to sit and talk some golf with you. I know you've got a bunch of work to do today. We really appreciate you coming and sitting in with this for a minute. Thank you very much. Always a pleasure, Paul. Thank you. Rob, nice chat with you. I'm going to go back to my Dave Dawden. Be a starter on the tee. All right. Thank you. That is Zach Johnson, former state open champ, former former, not former. Actually, he was a horse beast in college at S U U. Remember their hall of fame. Zach Johnson, what a great guy. What a good thinking, a good thinker about the end love being able to sit and talk with Zach. All right. We need to do a little U-Pod update, Rob. Give me an update. I need some scores. Wanna see my U-Pots on the leaderboard and watching play. Yeah. Whoa. Give me an update. I need some scores. Wanna see my

24:05U-Pots on the leaderboard and watching play. Yeah. The U-Pot update brought to us by Girls Go Golfing. Yeah. You know that. Jans, Girls Go Golfing. Play golf, make friends. Have fun. Join Girls Go Golfing on Facebook. And Rob, not a lot going on on the tours for our Utah players on tour. As a matter of fact, all three of the men's tours are dark. And a couple things I just want to note. First of all, last week on the America's tour, really good finish for Brady McKinley at the CRMC Championship. He finishes T3 minus 19261 on rounds of 67, 63, 66 and 65. Amazing. And with that, he goes from 45th to 24th in the point standings. Still outside the top 10 to get a corn fairy card. But boy, how do he, he has locked down

25:12status on the America's tour for next year and a place to play is so important. And but he still is within shouting distance of playing his way onto the corn fairy. Cole Pwnitch finished T42 minus 8272 on rounds of 66, 69, 68 and 69. He lost ground on the point system with that. It's incredible. What's happened? The point system has top-weighted. We know this. Yeah, still. Yeah, it's rough. It's rough out there. Connor Howe last week missed the cut. And he went from 18 to 20 on the point system again, absolutely within shouting distance to play his way to the corn fairy. And absolutely keeps a place to play for next year. On the, but the big thing going on this week is, of course, the Walker Cup. Yes.

26:16And we've only got a couple minutes. We spent a bunch of time with Zach, which is always well spent. But Walker Cup stuff, Rob, I know you've been following it this morning. They play there over in Ireland. And so they're, you get up early, they're at LeHance, yeah. Kihei Akina is on the Walker Cup team. Did you still watch some of that this morning? I did not. I had a late night last night. So I took advantage of a couple extra hours. Fair enough. I might have got up and watched a little of it this morning. I know that's obsessive, but here's where I live. Kihei played in the, the, the, the four of them. So they're, they're playing alternate shot. Yes. And then the format for the Walker Cup two days, alternate shot in the morning and singles in the afternoon. They did not win their point this morning. Kihei hit an incredibly good bunker shot on the 16th hole to, to save, to have a hole to save a hole.

27:17But from, from there, they, they were not able to hold on. They ended up losing on the 18th hole. Took it to 18, but they lost one down to the team from GB and I and, uh, and, uh, Kihei is not on the roster for the, for the afternoon singles. Unfortunately, so, um, anyway, there, there we go for that. We want to send some love to Shane Mcmillan. We've talked with Shane already about his win in the Utah Senior Am, but he is being recognized as the Bank of Utah Player of the Week presented by the Utah Golf Association. Shane Mcmillan wins the Utah Senior Am. Congratulations to him. All right. We got to take a break. When we come back on the other side, we're going to talk with Coach Garrett Clegg of the University of Utah. Do a preview on the Utes upcoming season. You are listening to Utah Golf Radio, powered by T-Box on the Rocky Mountain Golf Network.

28:21You are listening to Paul and Jack on Utah Golf Rains. You take on coming back out to prepare this part, but we're here so great. The day of the Sam falls on the air and he has modified state-of-the-art event. We will have a report from the eight of this week and on our podcast, the Utah Golf Radio Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast, we'll check that out. We're coming to you in partnership with Utah's Even Golf Organization, the Utah Golf Association, the Utah Section PGA, Fairways Media, the Utah Golf Foundation, the Utah Golf Course Superintendent's Association, the Utah Junior Golf Association, and first to Utah. Paul Pugma, I'm with you today along with our co-host this week, Rob the Spain, former Weber State Horse Bees, and Patrick Fishburn's agent now. Very cool stuff. We are powered as always by T-Box. Check them out at tbx.gov, where they have cracked the code on the whole Golfer experience with clubs,

29:26coaching, and community. Get yourself to a T-Box. This first hour of the show is brought to us by Salt Lake City Golf at sLCgolf.com or the Salt Lake City Golf App, wherever you get your apps. We are joined now by Garrett Clegg, the head coach of the University of Utah. We need to tee up this season for the youth's coach. Good morning. Welcome to show. Good morning. Thanks for having me. So glad to have you join us today, coach. Coach, I always like it when the University of Utah plays a little football because to me that means it's time for college golf. Whatever I was going on at Rice Eccles the other day, it was about let's talk about college golf. Let's talk to coach about the youths. Tell us about your team this fall, coach. Well, I would say we're going to be sort of a new look team. We've lost a couple of guys that have been a major part of the lineup over the last few years. We still have Gabriel Palacios and

30:30Sergio Jimenez, kind of our two anchors. And then we're going to have a lot of new faces out there competing for us. Well, talking about your team, you're so right. It starts with Gabriel and Sergio. Boy, howdy. These guys have been so good for so long. And they make noise internationally playing for their home countries. And then they come back home to Salt Lake and they make noise for the youths. I've loved having these guys in town. Yeah, they're fantastic. They're, they've you know, I don't know how many times I can kind of say this about different players, but I mean, these two are probably the combination of two of the best that I've ever coached that have been at the University of Utah. We both are in the top 35 in the world. They have a ranking. Both of them continue to just impress me each each week when we're out there. In addition to Gabriel and Sergio,

31:34you've got some young players coming in and a couple of local names freshman joining the team. We know Jackson, Erickson and Will Pisa. Rex Wilson's going to be back with you again this year. Another local guy tells about some of the supporting cast for. Yeah, we have we have those we have those three young men that are that are great guys and you know, it's Rex coming back is great. He went and played at Western Washington, which is kind of he grew up in Burlington, Washington. And he has his father's dad's assistant coach Keith Wilson. But he kind of struggled his first year and went back home and then played at Western Washington's Division 2 School and had a great year and really wanted to come back and it's great to have him back. He's a fantastic kid. And then Will and Jackson, you know, they're both both true freshmen coming in from from Salt Lake,

32:40Wells from Draper and Jackson's from Haramon or South Jordan kind of that area. And they're both you know, dying to make an impact. And then we've got, you know, Jack Jergi who came in mid-year last year and played a lot for us. He didn't have he didn't feel like he had that grade of a year last last spring. And so he's really looking to build and showcase what he's all about. And then you know, we have Ivon and Geeta from and Jan Fade from Spain. And both those two they were freshmen last year didn't really get into the lineup. Played a few individuals a few events as individuals off and on. But they've, you know, again, there, somebody's got to step up, right? We've got three guys that have played a ton and then we've got six guys that have not really played

33:43Division 1 golf. And so two of those guys are going to be in our lineup every single week. And so it's going to be it might be the case where it's sort of a carousel until we land on on the players that are they're playing their very best. It might be a case that couple of guys emerge and show that they're ready to go. So it's going to be an exciting year of a lot of unanswered questions that we'll get the answers as the year goes. Have you started holding qualifying rounds? Do you have some scores? Is there anybody starting to step up? We're three rounds in. We have four more to play. If the qualifying ended right now, I believe it would be Sergio, Gabo, Jack, Ivan and Rex. I don't know if I'm getting the order

34:45perfectly straight. I don't have the numbers right in front of me or it might be Rex and Ivan or however that order goes. But those would be our five that are in one through five at the moment. We play seven rounds this year when those seven rounds are done, however, one through five will be representing us at our first tournament. You mentioned a couple of true freshmen. We all know that making the transition from high school golf to college golf does not always go smoothly. Keep in mind, good land. When Robin and I were kids, these were still legal miners. But you do have a couple of true freshmen. I happen to know Jack and Eric's in pretty well because where Glenmore is our home course, I've seen him play a hundred times and mostly is really quiet and just hits it hard. They all hit hard. How are these true freshmen making the adjustment to

35:54becoming adults and going to college? It kind of goes in phases. It starts out those first couple weeks they're the honeymoon phase. Everything's amazing and even the classes are so great and it's so cool to live on your own and dorm food tastes awesome and everything's just incredible. You're walking on air and everybody on the team's perfect. Then after about two to three weeks, there's the big crash and life is just the worst thing ever. You miss your home even though they're close to home. The foods now terrible. You failed to test. The teachers are awful. Coach hates me. They go through that phase. Then they pull up their boot straps and get to the grin and bear it phase, which takes about another week or two. Then they get to the normal

36:56life realization that, hey, life's pretty good. Life's okay. Coach doesn't really hate me. It's school. School's not amazing but at the end of the day, I've just got to do my work and I'll be fine. You get to that middle ground of where, okay, this is my new life. You accept it and you move forward and then you start to either thrive or however things go. That's sort of the emotional swing that happens with freshmen. We have a lot of fun in the beginning of the year too, which helps that. This year, we did something a little different before our first team stuff. We called it a fall boot camp. We did a short game boot camp for three straight days where it was four hours of very intense short game practice for three straight days. Then we went on our

37:58team retreat, which was just a lot of fun. As a great icebreaker to get the freshmen integrated with the rest of the guys on the team. Then we did that and then we're back now in qualifying. It's not easy to transition from going home every night to your parents to going home to a dorm room for these freshmen. There's a lot of moving parts. I think right now they're doing pretty good. They're getting along well with their teammates at the moment. Nobody's miss qualifying yet. There's not going to be that either high of making the team or disappointment of not making the trip traveling team. That first real emotional spike or opposite of a spike. I guess spike can be positive or negative. That will come in in about three days

39:01when qualifying is all wrapped up. I have four days on Wednesday. Geez coach, have you seen this before? Sounds like you nailed it. It's even multiplied by X when you talk about international young men. That's a different one. Well, it was fun listening to you describe it although I don't remember the dorm food tasting good phase but whatever. There's a lot different than what we had. We always had to go to cereal when I was a freshman. We want to talk about your fall schedule and you always put together such a good schedule. Great tournaments, tough competition, great courses. I cannot look at your schedule and take my eye off of the big 12 match play at the Country Club in Salt Lake City.

40:05I cannot wait for that. Yeah, how about that? That'll be a lot of fun this year. The Country Club is such a fantastic golf course. It's our home club and they do so much for us. And so I'm excited to showcase it to the big 12s and to have every big 12 team, all 16 of us will be there. And the match play, it's a fun event. It's slightly more than an exhibition in a way. Like it's not truly our championship. It's a really cool fun event. And so it's really fun to watch and to see and to have it take place at the Country Club will be awesome. It will be so cool. In the nature of the event for this conference, guarantees that there will be matches between top players in the world. And I don't know what they are yet. I'll be you don't either that cannot wait. This is going to be so much fun. I think there's about

41:11one 18 or 18 or 20 of the top 50 ameters in the world will be at the Country Club. So we're going to be we're going to be missing one of our horses. So Sergio is going to be playing in a DP World Tour event. The Spanish open. When your nation's open calls and gives you an exemption. Yeah, okay. I'll cut him some slack on that. He's from Spain playing his national open. Okay. And now I know I've got to keep my eyes on that. Okay, what else on your fall schedule should we be keeping our eyes on? What's got your attention looking down this list? So a cool event. The Steven's Cup. The Steven's Cup is a really cool event. It'll be on the golf channel. That's our first event at the TPC Frisco. I'm not sure the exact name of that golf course now. The the whole huge complex that they built. Yeah, PJ of America headquarters. America built. Yes. Which you'll have the PJ championship in May, I think.

42:13Next year. And so that'll be really cool. The Hamptons is an amazing event of Maystone. Like I mean, whenever you compete on a top 50 in the world golf course, that's really cool. And so our guys playing in that this year, that'll be fun. Mark Simpson, we don't always play there, but this year it's going to be a Boulder Country Club, which is an incredible venue. Very similar to the Country Club here at Salt Lake. Just awesome place. And then going back to North Carolina for the Williams Cup, that I can't imagine a Gustas Greens faster than that was for me. They were so fast last year. Like I don't know of many people that have truly competed on actually 13 plus Greens. Yeah. Like it's hard to hit a pot less than 12 feet.

43:13You just it just goes 12 feet when it leaves the putter. And so it's an incredible, it's an incredibly cool golf tournament. And Roy Williams is out there walking around the legendary basketball coach named after him. He sponsors the event. It's really, it's a long ways from home I know because we're clear on the East Coast there. But it is one of the college golf premier events. And so yeah, we're super. We're excited to go back. We went last year and it kicked our butt. We'll be a lot more prepared. At least a couple of us. We only have two guys on the team still that played last year. So a couple of us will be a lot more prepared for what what's ahead. Well, what a great schedule you've put together. Congratulations on bringing the conference to Salt Lake. And boy howdy coach, we are going to be watching and cheering. Just love what you're doing there. So go knock them dead. Thanks guys. Appreciate it. All right. That is coach Garrett Clegg,

44:19University of Utah. Rob, you and I both had the privilege of playing college golf. It's been a minute. There are a lot of things have changed since we were there. But it is really something to hear coach describing the experience. He kind of nailed it. He kind of described my freshman. Yeah, I might get it. And the biggest you talked about that transition leading into the segment. But once you get to college, everyone was the best junior player in the state. They were in their state high school championship. They've been down. They've been on team events where they were five men junior teams, eight men junior teams. And so they're really good. And probably the biggest humble pie I ever ate was missing by a shot in the fall qualifying and sat my butt on the bench. Yeah, for the first three, four events. Yeah, until I could re qualify. And then I got in the lineup and I knew how special that lineup was. I've never got out of it the next three and a half years.

45:20Don't take it for granted. You all know. Yeah. You were talking about golf soon in the air. So it's football. But when I saw that we were state kids lined up on number one to the club the other day. For a split second, I had that pit in my stomach and that anxiety. Yeah. God, you got to get in the van. Yeah. You got to get the van. Great stuff. All right, folks. We will be of course keeping up to date on on how the youths are doing this fall, like going on. And believe me, we will be at the country club October 12 13th and 14th the Monday Tuesday and a Wednesday. When the big 12 comes to town for the match play, that'll be a lot of fun. Brigham Young will be there of course as well. All right, we got to take a break and we come back on the other side of little things and stuff. You are listening to Utah Golf Radio powered by T-Box on the Rocky Mountain Golf Network. You're listening to Polly and Jenn on Utah Golf Radio? Un falling stuff, things

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47:32was looked at as a major when you were a kid and played in it. Such a good event. And a great golf course. Well, this I love this golf course. It is fun. It's a very pleasant walk, although it's got contour to it. And it's just it's one of these pieces of the world. It's a property that just begs to be played golf. And they do it here. It's it's really, really terrific. We are powered as always by T box at tbx.gov check them out where they have cracked the code on the whole golfer experience with clubs, coaching and community. Get yourself to a t box. You will have a good time there. And this first hour of the show is presented by Salt Lake City Golf at sLC golf.com or the Salt Lake City Golf app. Check them out. SLC golf.com Rob. What what what what are you shopping for right now? What do you need? Boy, you think you have everything. But I'm I'm shopping for

48:38that 12 parakell shoes. Okay, it's funny you'd mention that I'm looking at the shoes right now myself. Okay. And I know I know my dear sweet wife Brooke is listening. And so officially I'm not shopping for anything. But there are some really good deals going on shoes right now. Okay, they've got a sale on the straight down shoes that normally are retailing in the low 200s to 222 30 on that order. And there's several models of them spiked non spiked selling for the 99 bucks 100 bucks. Okay, for straight down shoes with spikes. I'm sold. I think I think I'd be brickled by that story. Okay. So I am always looking for shoes. It's hard to find to find them to work with my stupid feet. And so if I can find a pair of shoes that

49:38doesn't hurt and will walk 18. I'm in. And there are some good choices available that you enter right now. And I loved way you describe it. I'm looking for that 12 pair of shoes. Well, you gotta let those shoes rest after a hard round. Yeah, can't go back the second day with the same pair of shoes. I'm always looking. Exactly. Well, folks, like I said, there is a you into near you five stores up and down the state. Really good sales going on right now with the shoes going into you into and check them out there. Alright, we got to take a break. We come back on the other side, we will be continuing our previews of college teams. We will speak with coach Spencer done away from Brigham Young University on the other side. You are listening to Utah golf radio powered by T box on the Rocky Mountain Golf Network.

50:51It's 9 o'clock on a Saturday. That means you talk off radio coming to you live today from Davis Park where we are here celebrating the Davis Park and all's are in the air and we will have a report for you later this weekend on our Utah golf radio podcast. We are coming to you in partnership with Utah Z even golf organizations, the Utah Golf Association, Utah section PGA, Fairways Media, the Utah Golf Foundation, the Utah Golf Course Superintendent's Association, Utah Junior Golf Association and first to Utah. Paul Pugman and Rob to Spain with you today. This second hour of the show is presented by the Ranches. If you haven't played the Ranches in the past year, you need to go make T times at the Ranches Golf Club.com. Check out the Ranches. You'll be glad you did. And we are powered as always by T box at tbx.gov where they have cracked the code on the whole golfer experience with clubs, coaching and community. And we continue now, Rob, to do previews for the college teams. As I noted earlier, there's

51:54college football on TV, which to me means it's time for college golf, fall golf. And we want to talk ourselves a little big and young university cougars. We are joined now by Spencer Denoway from the University from big and young university. Coach Spencer, good morning. Welcome to show. Paul, thank you so much for having me. Oh, we're so glad. So glad that we get to to welcome you to this show. We it's time to put you to work Spencer. We had you on a couple of months ago when you were hired into this job, but now it's time to do real work. Tell us about this BYU team that you're going to be feeling this year. Everything starts with Kihei Akino. We get it. He's in Ireland at the Walker Cup, but this team does not end at Kihei. Tell us what you got. You know what, Paul? I mean, you're absolutely right. You know, Kihei, he's over there representing the United States and the Walker Cup and has such a big deal. You know, Coach Miller, he's he's over there watching him and and Kihei played this morning in the in the four sums morning match and he's not playing this

52:57afternoon in the singles matches, but he's mic'd up. I believe him and writer, Cowan got got subbed out. And so they are both mic'd up and he's he's so we'll probably get a little tidbit of him on golf channel here and there. But yeah, Coach Miller's over there in Ireland. So very special on, you know, on or for our program for Kihei. He's he's our second Walker Cup in the program's history, but first one in 35 years. And so super, super stuff for him and all of our boys have been just absolutely just been so pumped out to watch him play this week. And he's he's been there for a while. You know, they the team flew out last week Friday. So I think they played six practice rounds. So he's been in Ireland for a while. But definitely, you know, we we have obviously I'm just coming into this, but I I would believe in Coach Miller and I have talked about this a bunch, but probably our deepest team in from from top to bottom in in program history is what we kind of talked about. And that's that's we're not saying that lightly.

53:58You know, there's been so many good programs and so many good teams here throughout the years. It was just a strong rich history of great golf here, but just from top to bottom. And we have great kids and great golfers throughout our program. So we're really excited to get going. I agree. This team is deep. And you know, two of the characteristics of really high level successful college teams are number one, there's deep competition within the team that practice sessions are could be tournaments. And number two, that you've got players one through five who can win individually. And that those two characteristics are tough to put together, but I think you've got them there this year, coach. Yeah, absolutely. You know, that's that's such a year's you're so right, Paul, and you're spot on there because you know, we're having a great program. Obviously, you're starting five guys every single week, but you need guys at home that are really good. Like you said, and so our qualifiers are almost more competitive than our

55:01tournaments, you know, and that's what's going to breed our guys to get better at. It's his competition. And so totally like when when you have a strong six, seven, eight guy at home that are really good players that are guys in the lineup, like man, those kids are really good. And they're sitting their butts at home. I mean, it just creates a culture of really hard work, a competitive culture. And it's such a fun atmosphere to be a part of. As we noted, it all starts with Kihei. And I I've got this this image in my head of a team meeting where you're talking about about qualifying. And then Todd says, is there anybody here on the walker cup? Kihei raises his family. Okay, you're exempt. The rest of us, we need to go qualify. And so you you you would have started qualifying already. Who is stepping up? Who's making noise? We actually just wrapped up qualifying yesterday. And so yeah,

56:02you're you're essentially right. You know, we we had our first team meeting and and essentially Kihei was going to be gone for our entire qualifier. He was he would have played in the first round. And then he'd be gone. So this is the first time ever that we've had a person exempt for the first event, you know, coach Miller and coach Brock right in the past that that first qualifier is kind of a sacred deal. You know, we play six or seven rounds. And they we usually just go straight off score, you know, one through five. And you kind of earn your way into the first event. And then you're often running for the rest of the year and everything's based on results from there. You know, but this is the first year that, you know, when you have a guy on the walker cup and he's only he's only going to be able to play in one round out of the stakes for qualifying. You you you you definitely have to give an exemption for that, you know, and so we essentially are right. It's like you were in that team meeting coach Miller was like, Hey, we're going to we're going to go ahead and exempt you for this first one. There's anyone object to that and not a single person objective, which we had some laughs in the crowd. It was

57:05actually pretty funny. But yeah, we you know, we definitely have have a have a deep team like we were talking about. I mean, we got a bunch of really good performances in this qualifying. You know, we have a really young team, you know, Peter Kim is going into his fourth year and Angus Plentworth is going into his fifth year. And so those are kind of our two senior leaders. And everyone else on the in the program is either a freshman or a sophomore. And so it's a really young team, a group of guys that are super hungry. And and we've I mean, we honestly got great golf out of a bunch of people in this qualifier, you know, Parker Bunn, our sophomore from Ogden. Um, he played really solid. Jakar V's playing awesome. He's had a really good summer. We're really excited about him being a freshman. Um, you know, Peter Kim's playing sol is always I mean, he's coming off his his low am at at the Utah at the top and in playing well, David Lick the our transfer from Utah tech. You know, he's coming in and making waves and Jackson Moss playing

58:06really good golf, our other freshman Austin jelly. Um, Lincoln on in our two missionaries Cooper Jones and Lincoln Markham and Amartite right now. It doesn't look like they took two years off of golf, you know, they they look pretty good. And and we kind of threw them in the ringer, you know, some of our first rounds back. Most of them out of these six rounds that we played five of them up in Park City. And, you know, those courses are really tough. And we got some kind of crazy winds up there this last week and man, they played them impressive golf. So yeah, I'm really excited to see what the team can accomplish this year. Um, let's talk a little bit about your schedule. Uh, you you guys always put together a really good schedule, uh, interesting tournaments on really good golf courses and against stout competition. But I'm going to say the same thing I said to Garrett Klaig earlier in the show. I look at your schedule and I just cannot take my eyes off of the big 12 match at the Salt Lake Country Club. Absolutely. We can't either. I mean, that's

59:11that's going to be a special, special deal, you know? Yeah, that's going to be a lot of fun. Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, October 12, 13, 14 and coach, coach Klaig was noting that all 16 of the big 12 teams have signed up. Everybody's going to be there. Um, it, it, it, it, I was just going to ask you, do you have this one circled on your calendar? But you've already answered that question. Um, with I'm interested in kind of the conversations amongst the players, amongst you guys in the team facility, as you look at this schedule and look at the big 12 coming to Utah. Oh, absolutely. You know, I mean, anytime that because it doesn't happen, you know, very often in college golf where you get to play in your home state, in front of some home, some home crowds in front of all your friends and family. Um, so, you know, any, anytime we have an opportunity to do that, our boys get really excited, you know, they work really hard and, and so we're excited to that, um, you know, our, our donors, our families, our administration,

1:00:16other other student athletes can come out and support. And so definitely just from that aspect, this, this tournament is a big one for us and it's definitely circled on the calendar. And then another aspect is, you know, it's match play and that's so much fun. And it's, it's out of golf course and elite championship golf course, you know, the country club is awesome. We played there yesterday, um, those members are unbelievable. The pret, you know, the, the administration out there, the president, the board director, they're awesome. They had pro bill. He's awesome. I mean, they, they were really awesome hosts for us yesterday. And so most of our boys played in that state and then played their USM qualifiers here every year. So it's a very, it's a golf course we're very familiar with. Um, and, and, you know, anytime you can get, all these great collection of golf teams together in any event. I mean, it's special. And so let alone a, a 16 team match play event and, and so yeah, we got the juices flowing for that one already. And one thing we know for sure, just because the math requires it, we're going to get matches

1:01:17among, a match has played between players who are top in the world rankings in the, in the, in the Wagger rankings. It's just unavoidable. Counting's going to be so much fun. Absolutely. You're going to see the best of the best. You know, I mean, Oklahoma State, you know, us, there's, there's so many good teams, Texas Tech, like all these great, great programs in the big 12 and everyone's coming this year, which is unbelievable. And because the big 12 match plays is not mandatory. Um, and it's, you know, but the big 12, the head coaches have, have made it a point to make it a priority and it doesn't happen every year now. It happens every other year. And so when it does happen, I think guys get even more excited and, and teams show up. And so we're really excited to have ASU in town and, and all these really good programs. So yeah, man, we're really looking forward to it. Tell us other tournaments, tell us about other tournaments on your fall schedule. What, what has your eye? You guys are going to some really cool places. Tell us about those. Yeah, absolutely. So you know, I mean, our job as coaches

1:02:23pause just to prepare our boys, you know, for, for life beyond college golf and, and life and, and pro golf, you know, if that's what they decide when their time is done. And so whenever we make a schedule, obviously, we're trying to pick the, if either the best, like really good golf courses, they're a really good field. And most of the time we can do both. And so, um, that's our job. And so that's kind of what we look for throughout throughout a schedule. As you see and look at our schedule, we play a lot in California. And I think that's kind of shifted over the years because now the national championship is in California, you know, at LeCostum, Diego. And so for us as coaches, I mean, we're going to try to prepare our boys as best as possible to win a national championship. And so how do we do that? And, and we believe that that's, you know, let's play in California. National championship is going to be there for the next five years. So why not be as prepared and comfortable as possible in that state playing good golf? And so, um, obviously one that I, I'm really excited about is actually the preserve golf club collegiate that Cal Poly host.

1:03:24And I've heard really great things about the preserve, but it's such a fun trip to go to that part of the country. You know, we're going to spend some time in Monterey where Coach Miller's from. He has a lot of, a lot of connections in the area. And it usually ends up well for our boys because we, we usually play Cypress on that trip. And so I've never played Cypress. Um, and we're going early. We're going to take some donors kind of make a trip out of it. And, uh, we're going to go ahead and tee up at Cypress before that tournament. So selfishly for me, that's what I'm looking forward to just from a golf course junkie because that's, that that's kind of one of the ones that I've always wanted to hit and I've never been able to play it. So I'm going to be able to play it here really. If you need any, if you need any help, I can clear my schedule. I think I need a forward to my. I am. I'm really excited about that one. Yeah, that's really cool. Um, I am intrigued by, by the thought process behind saying, okay, the national championships are in Carlsbad,

1:04:27California now. We should play more in California. Are you looking for West Coast grass experience, learning how things play with the wind off off the ocean? What would I mean, I love the thought process, but tell me more about it. Yeah, I think it's just a bit of both. You know, I've seen it a lot of it. Obviously, all of our boys have done a great job in their junior careers and playing travel golf, but playing at sea level is a really big, is a really big deal. And, and we find that, you know, it's coming from Utah. I mean, that it's just they had having grown up playing golf at sea level, you know, all their base numbers are here at elevation. And, but now we're at a point where all the junior golfers travel all over the country. And so, going to sea levels is usually not that big of the deal anymore, but obviously the more times we can do that, the better. And then, yeah, of course, got the grasses, our low different. I would say the win and how the win changes like it, La Costa, you know, usually it's very calm in the morning. And then in the afternoons, it picks up. Um, and so I think everything kind of

1:05:28goes into it. You know, we just want to be as comfortable as possible in those situations. And so, that was kind of the top process on making our schedule the way it is. Very cool, very interesting. All right. Well, um, coach, we're sure going to be watching and cheering. Um, I want to put a bow on this by just going back for a minute, two year roster. Um, this team is so deep. Obviously, it starts with Kihei. But let me just run through the names for everybody because there each of these players is a top level player, Parker, Bunn, Drake Harvey, Cooper Jones, Peter Kim, Angus Clint Worth, David Lickty, Lincoln, Markham, Jackson Moss, and Austin Shelley, everybody comes in with a pedigree. Everybody is just so strong. And as you noted, with the exception of Peter and Angus, they're all young, freshmen and sophomores. This is a

1:06:33meaningful team that's going to be together for a few years. And, uh, folks, we, we should be paying attention to this Cougar team. It has potential to be one of the greats. Thank you, Paul. You, you're the best. And yeah, this, we're really excited about this team. And like you said, they're all young, you know, so we're going to be together for a while, especially now with this whole 50 year movement. So I mean, we potentially could have three years of essentially the same eight guys altogether, you know. And so, um, yeah, we're super excited about. They're all so good. I mean, from top to bottom, like you said, you go through our roster and every single player, you could come up with a highlight of something that they've done in the stadium to out of the city, Tom Jr. Golf and college golf. That's super impressive. And so, um, man, we're, we're really excited. We have big opportunities in front of us. And I'm going to tell you what this, the one thing I've noticed about being around this team so far for the two months that have been, been around and these guys work their tails off. I mean, I have been out the facility. We've had a lot to prepare for for this year with coach Miller. And these guys are nonstop practicing.

1:07:38Like it has been super impressive to see, um, they're young, they're hungry, and they have a lot to prove. And they feel like they have a lot of work to do. So yeah, I'm really excited for it. You know, something I noticed on your roster, Spencer, 10 of those kids are from Utah. Yeah, which is, uh, I take my hat off to you. BYU's always had a deep history of having local players. But I look at that, I look at that 12-man roster back in my day. We had an 18 in a B team. Yeah, that B team would be nationally, right? Yeah. It's, it's a testament to Utah golf as a whole, you know, both you guys, Randy Dodson. I mean, everyone has kind of done their part in supporting in golf in general, but especially junior golf and making it really cool in the state to play golf. And, and we've talked about that wholeheartedly in our recruiting process, um, because we have a couple commits in the 28 class. And,

1:08:38our number one goal is, is to recruit the state. I mean, this is so important for us. You know, this is our home, our home turf. We need to protect our home, our home state. And we made it a priority to go out and get the best players from the state of Utah. And we're definitely, that you can see that in our roster. But we're also have a responsibility to recruit the world, you know, and we have Angus from South Africa. I mean, we have Drake from Las Vegas, Kihei, you know, is from Utah, but was born in Hawaii. So we're going to look everywhere, but man, the state of Utah is super important to us. And, and we have to own the state in recruiting if we want to continue to be successful. Spencer, one last note, my buddy Patrick Fishburn is very excited. You're back in blue. This, that's my guy, man. He was one of my favorite teammates of all time. And, and that guy is doing great things on tour. But thank you. I appreciate that. And we all are welcome home. And it, it's really nice to be talking to you about the team. We are looking forward to this, this fall and looking forward to following the cougars,

1:09:43everything you're doing and cheering for you, man. So go knock them dead. Thank you guys. Appreciate it. We start our season next week. So we'll leave on the 11th. And we hit the ground running out with our bad rancher Santa Fe in the Viori, intercollegiate. So thank you guys and thanks for having us on. Absolutely. All right. That is Spencer Dunway, the associate head coach of Brigham Young University, men's golf and boy, howdy, Rob, that, that, that team. It's fascinating to hear Spencer say that that he and Todd Miller are already thinking of this as one of, if not the deepest team that Brigham Young University has ever had. And that says a ton because they have had some great teams. Yeah, I love the strategy of playing in California. That is fascinating. Yeah. I've never thought of that angle. Yeah. But C levels of different colleges. Well, C level, I totally get that look. It is

1:10:45hard going from elevation to sea level. And the not only are the distances different, but the ballistics are different. The flight patterns are different. The ball falls in a different way. The windows are different. It is a different environment. And when you're down at sea level, the golf plays differently at sea levels straight up. But the grasses are different. Yes. California Southern California in particular has different grasses than we have here. And it shows up. They're playing the national championship at in Carlsbad, California, just north of San Diego at the Omni Resort Terrific Golf Course. And there's a local booster group. They're in Carlsbad that is working to make Carlsbad the permanent national championship location in the same way that they have one national championship location for NCAA bat. Why am I saying this? NCAA baseball. They always go to Omaha. Yeah. And they're trying to become

1:11:48the Omaha for golf at Carlsbad. I kind of hope they pull it off. It's a great facility. That's a great idea. Yeah. So anyway, great stuff. All right. We need Rob to talk about somebody who needs some relief. Paul Realeil. He'd relieve, brought to you by Duro Health. Check him out at DuroHealth.com. This innovative, pardon me, this innovative back therapy program will help you swing faster, hit farther, play better and feel better. DuroHealth.com. I'll tell you who needs some relief. Rob, that's everybody on tour. Not named Scotty Sheffler. Yes. Okay. Apparently somebody made Scotty mad. That's not a good strategy because he just went out and kicked their butts at the tour champion.

1:12:51You do not poke that bear. There was one moment in particular. Now, there's a three week arc. And over that three weeks, he won twice. He just, you know, there's all this talk of who's player of the year. Could it be, could it be, wind him Clark? Maybe Chris Goddard, you know, all these people, you know, there are other Scotty hasn't won much this year. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. Somebody poked Scotty and he just said, no. You guys, I'm player of the year. I am the big dog here. And let's show it. And like I say, there was one moment on Sunday, the second toll, 218, a par three that kind of sits, skiddy wimp us on hill. He hits it to two inches. Yeah. That was such a good shot. It was just rude. Now, I actually was so glad it didn't go in. Because you're not going to end and then you start talking about how math, mathematically, it's easy to demonstrate that holes in one are just plain luck. And they are, the math behind

1:13:54him is clear. But hitting it to two inches, that's just saying, bam, anybody want some of that? I didn't think so. How do you like that, ma'am? How do you like that, ma'am? So everybody not named Scotty needs some relief. All right. Let's talk about somebody on a says. Yes. Honest says brought to us by Copper Rock. Copper Rock is born to be played. And that's the point, folks. You need to play Copper Rock. This championship facility is available to us all. And it's just plain fun. Have you played Copper Rock? Yeah. I love Copper Rock. Yeah. It's a gas. I've played it a handful. Yeah. So I've played it several times. And each time I go there, I walk off the course thinking, well, dang, that was fun. Let's do that some more. And regardless of how I play,

1:14:55there are some courses you walk off and you're thinking, well, I just kicked my butt. And I'm ready to take an app and get some food and things like that. No, Copper Rock is fun. And it is a really great time. You can get on the T-sheet by going to copperrock.com. It'll take some planning. There are other people trying to get on the T-sheet, too. But be sure you do that copperrock.com and go play that course. So I'll tell you who's on the says. We already talked about him. It's Scotty Schaeffler. And you are in a unique position because you, of course, are agent for a PGA tour player. And so when you look at Scotty Schaeffler, you're looking at your environment. Here is your take on him. He's amazing. You hate to admit something, but right now he's better than anybody in the game. And that's true. Not opinion, statistically speaking. Look at what he's done. Yeah, it's commasceral. Yeah. But I like sitting, I love going to the range, sitting on the

1:16:02white cooler and just watching people hit balls. Sure, I'm biased to Patrick Fishburn. He's a phenomenal ball striker. Oh, he is. I love watching Patrick. But I'll admit this. My first time around Scotty Schaeffler, I thought, I got to see this. I want to watch his feet. I want to watch his ball striking. So I just sat there and it's amazing. It is amazing. Don't be beguiled by his feet, folks. What you've got there is a superlative striker of the ball finding the balance point and finding his center point for that shot. He moves the ball, he works the ball and he makes adjustments in his balance point and center point to achieve that shot. But his impact position and before and after his impact position spot on. You know what, Paul, I've thought those feet may allow him to play for a long, long time. Okay, it's taken stress off his back. Yes, yes. That's a good point.

1:17:05You know, the first time you see it, you think, wow, he spins out of those. But you know what, stop and really look at that. He's bad news to the players on the tour and bad news to those same players that'll have to deal with him on the champion's tour. He's probably going to play a long, long time. Okay, that is a really good point. Moona's feet take stress off the torque in his swing and in your body. But like I say, don't let the feet distract you. He is answering what that shot is asking. You know, the other thing too, he hits a hard you watching hit the T-shot. He's moving it out there. They make a lot of noise about these bombers that are 188, 190 ball speed. And I spend a lot of time with one of those guys. Yeah, she's the numbers. Pat, Scottie, Scottie quietly just whips it out there all the time, over 300 yards. Yeah. Yeah.

1:18:07Amazing stuff. All right, we got to take a break. When we come back on the other side, more college golf preview, we will talk with Brad Sederfield, the head coach at Utah Tech, you are listening to Utah Golf Radio powered by T-Box on the Rocky Mountain Golf Network. You're listening to Paul and Jan on Utah Golf Radio. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Utah Golf Radio coming back at you from Davis Park. Balls are in the air in the Davis Park and we'll have a full report for you on the podcast later this weekend. We are coming to you in partnership with Utah's Levy Golf Organizations, the Utah Golf Association, Utah Section PGA, Fairways Media, the Utah Golf Foundation, the Utah Golf Course Superintendent's Association, Utah Junior Golf Association, and first to Utah. The second narrow of the show is presented by the ranches. Check them out at the valve ranches

1:19:11golfclub.com. If you haven't played the ranches recently, you need to go make your tea time, the ranches golfclub.com. We are powered as always by T-Box at TBS.gov, where they have cracked the code of the whole golfer experience with clubs coaching and community, get yourself to a T-Box. We are joined now by coach Brad Sederfield, Utah Tech. We need to talk about the trailblazers. Coach, good morning. Welcome to show. Hey, Paul. Thanks for having me on. Appreciate the invite. So glad to have you with us today, coach. The trailblazers are in a little bit of a transition. Year, is that fair to say? Absolutely. Yeah, we've added five new players that I'm really excited about. And yeah, we're much deeper, more loaded, top to bottom. And yeah, I'm excited for the year. I haven't been this excited for a team in a while. We've got just great kids, great,

1:20:19some really good players, and just looking forward to it. We leave Tuesday for our first tournament, Colorado State in Fort Collins. A really good golf course, and three of our three of our new players qualified. So, I'm sorry, our qualifying was really competitive. We had seven rounds, and low five go, and we're excited about it. We'll tell us who's making the trip. So, Nico Taggart really kind of blew everybody away in the qualifier. I think he was 16 under. We had some tough conditions been blowing down here in St George. So he's a transfer from Southern Virginia. He finished fourth at the D3 Nationals last year, lefty, and just the gamer really just goes out and gets it done. And then in our second position, Chase Ciceric, freshman from Tucson,

1:21:19and man, this kid can go. He has just got some real talent, a lot of speed, really knows how to flight his ball, which is really great to see. You don't see that often with a freshman. Sometimes it seems to take a couple years to learn how to flight the ball. Then in our third spot, we have Jack Yu. He is a transfer from UC Irvine. Super powerful player has a lot of experience had a couple good years at UC Irvine and wanted to come up to our great courses and facility to really take his games to the next level. And then in our fourth position, we have Ashton MacArthur. Really our veteran. This is his fourth year. And always solid just knows how to get the job done. And then our fifth spot, we have Frank Meow. He's a junior and got some talent this year.

1:22:19We're really excited about it. Is Chase Ciceric Mia's brother? Yes, correct. Yep. So she's had just a wonderful experience here at Utah Tech and loved every minute of it. And Chase was a pretty highly recruited player and this is where he wants to be. And so when I knew that and I'm like, this kid's good, I'm like, I made the offer and he's all in. Just really, really excited about him and his potential and just a great kid. In fact, I'm Mia. He sent a video this morning. I think he posts on Instagram. He's already out early at our practice facility. After seven rounds of qualifying, he's up the next morning getting after it. So you love to see it. That is really great. I am intrigued with Nico Taggart leading the way. Transfer any as a senior. But tell us more about his background.

1:23:26Yeah, you know, just a great kid. We've kind of an interesting story with him. He started out at Tuscalam, which is a D2 school in Tennessee. He's from Texas and then he actually came to Utah Tech and kind of tried out for us back in the day when we could carry more on the roster and and didn't make it and then stayed here for a year at school and then he went to Southern Virginia for a couple years. And I will say this as a coach, it's a regret I have is I probably should have brought him in earlier. It was just kind of a roster, kind of deal where, you know, nowadays with the roster limits, it's just really tough. But honestly, I should have brought him in earlier, but he did get some really great experience back there at Southern Virginia and you can really tell. He just knows how to manage his game. He knows what he's doing with the golf ball and really good putter, good short game.

1:24:31And really excited to see what he can do for us this year. That is really cool. And you know, he comes from a place in the world that produces great athletes from Katie Texas. Katie Texas gave us Nolan Ryan. Oh, okay. I didn't know that. Yeah. That's so good. Something in the model there. Yeah. Yeah. Now just a just a really good kid and really good player. He's had a really good summer. You know, he finished nine under in the Utah Open, shot five under to qualify for the Utah Open. Just has had some really good results this year and just been really consistent. So I'm really excited about that. That is really cool. Let's talk a little bit about your schedule. Yeah. You've got some really interesting good tournaments, good courses. You're going to the Eisenhower course over at the Air Force Academy. That's always a fun trip. Tell us what has your

1:25:36attention on your fall schedule? Well, we go to Colorado State, which is one we've been to. I think this will be our fourth year in a row. Probably the best, maybe the best greens you'll ever put on. Just a really good golf course, solid field. And then yeah, we go to Air Force. We've been going there for a number of years. And if you haven't played the Eisenhower, it's spectacular. And then we go to Stockton, California, to University Pacific. And then we're going to do a new one this year down in Monterey, Mexico. It's hosted by George Washington. And he had a spot open for us. And I've talked to some of the other coaches. And they just say it's a fabulous experience, a good golf course. And you just get treated really great. Really all you got to do is get down there. And then they take care of, they take, take really good care of you. So I'm excited about that one. That is really cool. Coach, while we've got you on the phone, we need to talk about you

1:26:41for a minute. First of all, can any of these kids beat the coach? Oh heck yeah. Yeah, they beat me. And I won't pretend that I can hang with them being 57. But you know, here and there, I can keep it with them. I hit it pretty straight. And my putters always been my strength. So it's been exciting to get back into the game. I've had had a bad back for so many years. And that's no excuse, but I just really haven't wanted to touch a club. And it's feeling better. And I, man, I'll tell you, Paul, I've got to bug back. I really want to start getting after it and playing, playing some of these tournaments. And I'm going to play to stay down until they kick me out. I mean, I might be there when I'm 65. But as long as I feel like I can be competitive and make match play at the state. I'm going to keep, I'm going to keep trying. So. Well, not only are you a former state am champ, okay? And by all

1:27:45means, feel free to hold that over their heads. But one of us coach just played in a USGA national championship. That would be you, yes. Yeah, I had the privilege of doing it. It was, it was amazing. Yeah, you qualified for played in the US senior am at the Baltimore country club in Maryland. Tell us about this experience. Oh, man, I just, it was, it was a 10 out of 10 in every aspect. Other than the way I played, but I can get to that in a minute. But I mean, the golf course was just fabulous. It was championship conditions. The greens were amazing. The rough was up. It wasn't, the rough was still playable. You know, they didn't make it where you couldn't find your ball. The clubhouse, the food, the members, the staff. You know, you get to the driving range. They got

1:28:50brand new pro v's and they've got your name tag that they put on the, you know, behind where you're hitting and gosh, I, if I could get on a plane and go do it again right now, I'd do it in a heartbeat. It was just, it was a top, top three experience for me and golf that I'll never, never forget. And it makes me want so bad to get back there. It's just, I don't even know what to say other than that. It was just, it was a 10 out of 10 in every, every aspect. That is so cool. That is so cool. USDA courses are known for being severe tests. They should be. They're identifying national champion. Talk to us about the Baltimore Country Club. Just phenomenal. Like, you know, it's kind of in this woodland area and kind of hilly and no houses at all on the golf course.

1:29:51So you just, you're out there and it's just you in the course. Old traditional killing haste. So the greens were sloping and fast. Ton of character to the golf course had a really good variety of holes. One of my favorite courses I've ever played. If, if I could be a member there and play that place every day, I think you'd be a pretty happy golfer. Rob, what Brad is saying? It's got to ring true to you. There's nothing like a USGI championship. I had the honor, pleasure, got lucky, played in the US, I'm at Marion. Oh wow. I played in the US mid-AM, but there's just nothing like it. And to your point, to go to the range and have your name and there's I told my kids I kind of sorted out a few trophies a while ago and but I kept some and I said to my kids, those silver USGA medals, please don't throw away.

1:30:56There's only one way to get one and that's to play your way in. So I'm sitting here in my seat with my palm sweating and love here in the USA because it's real. Yeah, and the money clip, the money clip they give you with your name on it, you just like I'm just going to cherish that thing forever. And they gave us this really cool valuable pouch that had Baltimore Country Club and USGA all over it. Yeah, that's right. I mean, it's you know, you don't get that opportunity very often and I'll be forever grateful that I that I had the chance to do it. It makes me want to get back there so bad. I figure, you know, I'll be 58 next year. I figure, you know, if I can stay healthy, maybe seven more chances to qualify and a little disappointed with my play. I don't,

1:31:56you know, I hadn't played a ton of competitive golf over the last 15 years and so, you know, it's hard. It's it's a different, you know, competitive golf is just obviously different than going out and playing with your buddies and and you know, I was really busy with the team and said, go over in the evenings to the hitting bays and stay a little loose. But I probably wasn't playing, you know, playing sharp as I could have been or wanted to, but that's that's no excuse. I have the experience and I just didn't get it done with the putter. I just kind of three-potted way too many times, which you're going to do on those greens, but I just, you know, I can't complain. I there's no excuses whatsoever. I didn't get the job done, but I feel like if I could get back there and make match play, I feel like it could be competitive with any of those guys. Yeah. Well, it's really cool. We're sure proud of you. It was fun to see you back there. John

1:33:02Wright made the field as well. Yeah, we know we're going to go for the rest of the journals. Oh, interesting. That's that's cool. And no accident. Both of you guys are former state-am champs. The soul of the trail. That's how that works, Rob. Yeah. Talent age as well. They're just really good players. They're just really good players. It's not complicated. They're really good. We'll coach. Thank you for jumping on with us today. It's nice to take a minute and talk with you both about the trailblazers and about what you're doing lately. We love watching both. We're sure going to be cheering for you this year so go knock him dead, baby. Well, I appreciate that. And I always want to give a shout out to you guys for everything you do for Utah golf. I don't I think it's unmatched in the country. I don't think there's a group like you guys and Randy Dodson that just expose Utah golf and people are in the know because you guys you guys really dedicate

1:34:09to Utah golf and it doesn't go unnoticed. So thank you. That's very kind of you. Thank you, Brad. Hey, real quick, Brad. A week ago, I was playing golf in Scotland and I was playing at Trune. We're I don't know, 40, 50 yards down the fairway on the first hole. My caddy says, where are you from? I said, I'm from the US, Ogden, Utah. And he said to me, man, there's really a good track in Ogden Utah, the Ogden Golf and Country Club. And he said, I cadded in the corporate tour event there a year ago. And he says, are you aware of it? And I said, yeah, I've been remembered there for 40 years. I've been aware of it. But to your point, the Utah golf association, Utah golf radio, Farways magazine, there's nothing like it. I used to tell guys on my college team and as I travel, there's nothing like Utah golf. It's unbelievable. No, no, there really isn't. And you're right. You said it. You said it exactly right. So it's unmatched. Yeah, fun

1:35:15stuff. Well, it's it the game is great in Utah. And it's people like you making it great, Brad. And we're we're just really grateful to be a part of it. Well, thank you. And I really appreciate you guys having me on. Absolutely. All right. Thank you so much. Folks, that is Brad Sutterfield, head coach, the Utah Tech Trailblazers. This this is a team as we noted in transition, Rob. But I think they've got potential to make some noise and it's interesting to hear coach talk about some of the players on there. I candidly, I did not know a lot about Nico Taggart and I can tell now we've got to be paying attention to him. I'll tell you what's making all the players, the players are really good and really good players. I'm excited to watch him, but black desert. Well, that's in their spring schedule. So we weren't going there yet, but black desert is a practice facility. Oh, okay, the practice facility about this. It is a good facility. Yeah. And I made a comment to black deserts, one of Patrick sponsors. Yeah, we are grateful for him.

1:36:19But I said to Patrick Manning a couple of years ago, I said, Patrick, I know you came from Florida. This resort business is your business. I don't question any of that, but I'm going to tell you a little unknown fact that you may not know. You're going to change Utah golf forever with black desert. You too. And that's walking the range and the practice facility to have that at your disposal as a college kid to be able to practice and track man's on site and all those chipping and putting areas. Really good. Great stuff. Great stuff. All right. Well, shoot. Do you know what's next, Rob? No, it is. The what's next segment brought to us by our good friends at the Utah Golf Association. We're going to tell you what's coming up next and Utah golf. When we come back on the other side, you are listening to Utah Golf Radio powered by T-Box on the Rocky Mountain Golf Network. What's next? What's next? What's next? What's next?

1:37:22What's next? What's next? When I ask what's next, it means I'm ready to move on to other things. So what's next? Yeah, yeah, what's next? You talk off radio putting a bow on the show. We're going to tell you what's coming up next. It's coming up now. It is the Walker Cup. The Walker Cup is now. Keihei Keena is at Lahinch in Ireland playing in the Walker Cup two day and tomorrow. So that's what's next right there. We are sitting with Rob, the Spain Patrick Fishburns agent. Rob, tell us what's coming up next for Patrick to eat about 10 days out. He'll go to the Asheville Championship a new event on the PGA Tour in North Carolina and that'll kick off kind of a domino effect for him seven events. The fall series, fall series is here, baby. And Patrick needs points. He does. He needs to, he's at 146. He needs to get inside that top 100 and life's a lot better. Yeah, top 100 will give a full status on the PGA Tour for next year. Are you looking at all at some of

1:38:24the conditional status demarcation points in the point system? Not really. I mean, it is what it is. We're just locked and loaded on Patrick loves the fall, loves the schedule. He's done well in the fall. Yeah, Ashe, Asheville is new for him, but then he comes to Black Desert. A sponsor, it's a home game for these guys, Zach and Patrick to play it every year. So Okay, fans, good stuff, good stuff. Bank of Utah Championship tickets are on sale now at bankofutautautchampingship.com. There's still an opportunity to sign up as a volunteer on that same website bankofutautchampingship.com. All right, thank you to everybody who who's a part of the show today. We got to put a bow on it. We appreciate you being with us this morning. This is Paul Pugmaier saying, by all means, yes, you should rip it like Rob and chug it like chug it, don't plug it like Paul. Exactly. You're in honor of Kelsi play like Kelsey chug, not like me. And everybody, please replace your divots, fix your ball marks, and for Andy Curtis, don't

1:39:31spit sunflower seeds on the green. Don't bring sunflower seeds to the golf court. Just don't bring them. You're not a bird. Okay, this is Utah golf radio powered by T-box on the Rocky Mountain Golf network.