Unity Or Defeat - with Bill Federer

0:00Welcome to the intersection of faith and culture. It's the Wild Builder Show taking on the hot topics of the day from a biblical historical and constitutional perspective. Our website's WildBuilders.show for any radio programs you might have missed or even if you heard it and you loved it and you forgot to share it with your friends and family. Just go to the website, look up that program for the last couple of weeks and share it with your friends and family and then of course podcast taps everywhere at wildbuilders.show so you can listen there as well. And then our main website, wildbuilders.com. Now make sure you go to wildbuilders.com. There's a wealth of history and all kinds of great things there and today you're going to have your interest peaked on the history thing because we're hitting a very hot topic, division in the conservative movement and how we counter it. And then we'll get a little bit of the history of Labor Day from yesterday. So David Tim, Bill Federer is going to be joining us in a few minutes, always a wealth of information on all these topics. Yeah, Rick, there's no doubt. Bill is one of our favorite people when it comes to getting into some of the historic issues

1:04and especially fascinating. When you recognize that one of the chief tactics of the devil is division and also of communists and socialists is sowing division and actually this is an old military tactic and strategy. And part of the reason that we were talking about this, as we were talking yesterday, I don't remember before or after our program, but you were kind of Rick filling us in on the fact that you were up in Colorado and just how divided the Republican Party, unfortunately, is in Colorado. We were seeing some of the same in Texas, Dad, when you were talking about some of the the local politics. And I guess we've talked about this more off the air than on the air. We've seen people that supported John Corning, who's a current US Senator for Texas. He lost in the primary to Ken Paxton. And there are people that loved John Corning that now we're saying we're not supporting Ken Paxton because we think he's bad. And if you don't support Ken Paxton by default, you're allowing the people that support James Tallerico to have an advantage by you sitting out, but we're seeing divided politics all around.

2:08And Rick, you mentioned that Bill gave a talk where he was breaking down some of the literally historic documented strategy of how you work to divide opponents so that you can conquer them. And you recommended man, we got to get them on, but tell us a little bit of the details of what happened in Colorado. And kind of what you saw to maybe set up some of where Bill's going to take us. Yeah, guys, it is so similar to what you're talking about, Tim. Well, we're facing in Texas in the aftermath of the Corning Paxton race. Same thing in Colorado in the aftermath of the Victor Marks and Scott Bottoms and I forget to say Senator's name up there, but there was a three-way race and Victor won and man, there's just normally you have a coming together after the primary and say, well, we definitely don't want to support the transgender abortion up to birth people. That's definitely not who we want to support. And yet, people are just not thinking clearly. So I think Bill did a phenomenal job of laying out how the enemy uses this kind of division

3:12to ultimately conquer us. Yeah, you know, this is a big deal because this is the way you derail entire movements. It doesn't take all of the nation to get behind this. It just takes a few groups to divide. I think that's one of the reasons why in Proverbs, one of the seven great abominations set forth in God's word is sewing discord among the brethren that if you go in and divide the brethren, because Jesus says a house divided can't stand. And so you don't have to conquer it. All you got to do is divide it. You all you got to just get a split. And that's why I've said this several times. My axiom and politics over all the years I've been there is I don't need enemies. I've got friends. And oftentimes your friends do more damage than enemies because they get in and start sewing the division. And so while we were talking, I just looked up online to see what AI is saying, what AI is saying about the most divided states right now with the Republican Party that's become dysfunctional because Republicans fight in each other. Grab this. It's Michigan, Arizona, Ohio, Georgia, Colorado, and Texas. You know, if I was running a national campaign, those are the states I

4:16would have to have as a Democrat or Republican to win the nation. Those six states are so divided right now. They can't even come together. And that's we got to get over that if we're going to see any change at the nation. Otherwise, this election we're facing right now will stop all of the progress we've made in the last few years. So important for us to do a quick break. We'll be right back, Bill Federer, our special guest here on The Wallblower Show. This is Tim Barton from The Wallblower Show. And I just want to make sure you know that you can listen to us wherever you go. If you get up in the morning, you do a workout of your moan in the grass in the afternoon. If you're driving somewhere and you want the opportunity to get some insight into the vocal realm from a historic, a constitutional, and a biblical perspective, hearing from incredible experts, voices we are on basically every platform that you can find. Whether it's Apple Music or I Heart Radio, Spotify or podcasts, index, overcast, pocket cast, there's so many things I don't even know what all of these are. But if you go to wallbuilders.show,

5:16you will find a list of all of the different places where you can listen to the program. And of course, if you already listen to podcasts, you know how to download a podcast, you know how to find us, we encourage you to download the podcast so you can listen at your convenience. If you're not in the car, that's no problem. Download the podcast. Take us with you on the road. We want to be an encouragement to you in your day. Go to wallbuilders.show to find out all the places where you can stream or download. Welcome back to The Wallblower Show. Thanks for staying with us. Great to have our good friend Bill Federer back with us. Bill, thanks for joining us today. Hey, great, great well, it seems like I'm with you one at least once a week. I'm either with you or Tim's with you or David. We're getting lots of good time during the 250th with you. And it was great being with you in Colorado last weekend. Well, you're giving me an education. Yeah. Well, speaking of an education, man, what you talked about at the dinner where we tag team, just the whole history of how the enemy uses division to end up defeating us. It was so good. And

6:20I was telling David and tell about it. We just thought, man, this is happening all over the country. It's not just in Colorado or in Texas where we got the corn and packed and post corn and packed and campaign and corn of people not getting on board with Paxton to defeat Talleriko. And you have that type of thing happening all over the country. But the way you described it from a historical perspective was just so powerful. We all thought, and let's get Bill on to talk about it. So I know in our little short radio program that we have here, not enough time to do the whole thing, but just if he could give us kind of a summary of how the enemy has used division to to basically sideline us and allow the enemy to just walk right through us. Yeah. Well, Karl von Klauwitz was a 19th century military strategist and he gave the classic definition of the purpose of war. The purpose of war is to force your opponent to submit your will. Pretty simple. Well, Sun Tzu's art of war 5th century BC China says that a supreme excellence and a commander is to get your enemy to submit to your will without a fight. Just psych him out make him think you're more powerful. They're weaker. Now it's called 5th

7:23generation warfare where you get your enemy to surrender without them being aware there even is a war going on. And so it's called psychological warfare. It's sort of like we dropped pamphlets on German villages during World War II saying your site is already lost. And of course Japanese Tokyo Rose would broadcast across the Pacific to our ships and you Americans are terrible and would demoralize our guys. So this the battle is for the mine. And so you have unity some 133 how good and pleasant it is for brother and to draw together unity. But then you have discord division and in Proverbs 6 says six things the Lord hates the last is he that so it's discord. And imagine being in heaven and somebody sowing discord in heaven. Well, it happened the devil right the word diabolical means to tear apart to divide. And so he is cast to earth and he gets a division in the garden gets at a blame Eve came to kill able one story is a bimolec and he is the illegitimate son of Gideon Gideon just defeated a hundred thousand Midianites

8:28nobody's even thinking about invading Israel from outside. But on the inside this illegitimate son of Biblack once power so he goes to the town of Shekham and he sows discord he says is it better for you that the sons of Gideon rain over you remember also that I am your flesh and your bone and the men of Shekham said well we got to follow him because he is our brother. And so he goes to the temple of Balbereth the city treasury and he gets money to hire vain and worthless persons Antifa BLM types right he's hiring rioters we see this in the news all this asteroid chirping they're hiring rioters anyway and it says they gave him three score and 10 pieces of silver out of the house of Balbereth where with the Bimlec hard man worthless persons they went to their father's house and over any sluice brethren and then the men of Shekham made a Bimlec came. So here you have a country no threat from the outside but on the inside somebody wants power and he hasted divide it and now the Hebrew Republic would have ended there rather than a hundred fifty years later had not someone threw a millstone over the wall and he killed the Bimlec. But we see

9:30this again you know Solomon's son Ray Abom and he's going to go get coordinated but this guy Jeroboam so's division and gets the 10 tribes to break away and you know one of the stories that I found fascinating was the Jews come back from Babylon and you have Pharisees which means student of the law right Ezra and then you have the Sadducees when the Greeks took over they were secular Jews and they controlled the temple in Jerusalem and they were political Jews they could care less about spiritual stuff and they had a civil war. So from around 147 BC up to around 63 BC they have their own Hasmonian Judeo kingdom but but now we're up to 63 BC and there's a Roman general Pompey and he is near the Black Sea, Capitucha and they bring him word hey there's a civil war going on so he comes down and he sides with the Pharisees against the Sadducees

10:31and the Pharisees are like yeah we got reinforcements come on and they defeat the Sadducees and Pompey of course goes into the temple sees it and comes out tells us men not to touch it and but from that moment on Judea was a Roman province and so they ended up losing their independence as a country because they were so into their Trump thirangement syndrome it's that other party there's right yeah and then I fast forward to Muhammad 627 AD he's in Medina now there were three Jewish tribes in Medina and they did not like each other inner tribal warfare the Banu Kwanuka Banu Nadir Banu Kraiza Banu means clan or tribe and so they let Muhammad in he goes into the minority neighborhoods he organizes a following so like a community organizer and then he pressures these three Jewish tribes to a treaty now he's a political leader and then he becomes a military leader and raids caravans I could get into it all but what happened to those

11:34three Jewish clans well he gets offended at one of them confiscates their property chases him out and the other two clans stand down like I never liked that party and now there's only two and he gets offended at the second of the two and he confiscates their property chases about the big Jewish tribe it had Trump thirangement so like I'm glad they're gone they were competition for me and now there's only one tribe left and he bottles them in their neighborhood for 25 days when they surrender he brings them into the market and chas off their heads so if he would have said in five years there won't be a Jew left they to made up with each other but because he picked it on one and then picked on the other he was able to divide and conquer and so that's why of course a lot of people are concerned when man's army in New York says Islam is a religion built on migration and he says the prophet was a stranger to who fled mecca and was welcomed into Medina and five years later there wasn't a Jew left in Medina so this idea of dividing conquer I mean you see it with um a Cortez with 500 men how did he defeat the Aztecs I mean they're a bigum

12:37are well the uh toxol and tribe that it then persecuted and I know I'm not pronouncing that right Tlaxacolin D L A X C A L A that's a that's a tough one man um they were the ones that were being captured by the Aztecs and of course having their hearts ripped out on top of the pyramids and so in Cortez shows up uh they're like oh yeah you'll help us against the Aztec full they do they help but then the Spanish take over all of Mexico so um uh this pattern we see over and over again divide and conquer um I go through Machiavelli what they're doing yet no let me ask you this bill because I never thought about the Pharisees and Sadducees thing as as as an example I mean here you have people that should definitely be disagre maybe disagreed on some you know um theological finer points but to allow your people to be completely divided to the point of being conquered it feels like that's what's happening with us in the conservative movement right

13:39now is that we're allowing people to divide us based on these really minor issues compared to the big issue of being conquered as a nation with the Islamic invasion and with the leftist ideology we're missing the big issues because we're hung up with each other on either personality or some vote from 20 years ago does that make sense yeah yeah and and you know you hit it on the head in your talk that Charlie Kirk left us tremendous enthusiasm and in that memorial service 100,000 people and they're all what but Jesus first could bear it have kids saved the country and it wasn't but a month or two till some of the podcasters uh began to divide mag up with no concern about how it's going to impact the midterms and I've been on campuses you've been on campuses and David and Tim's been on campuses these kids went from oh we're excited about Jesus to you know down some gutter of blame in Israel for everything I mean or something it's like but it defuse that energy and um and so this tactic is introducing an autoimmune disease into the body

14:44politic oh yeah so what's an autoimmune disease it's where your your own immune system detecting your own organs and joints you have inflammation you have fire you got a war going on inside of your own body and so they want to introduce an autoimmune disease into the body politic and so how do you destroy a marriage so discord how do you destroy a family so discord how do you destroy a church so discord how do you destroy a country so discord um and so this is tactic um is is used Lincoln said you know a house divided against the self cannot stand and of course he was caught in Jesus there um and then it gets even interesting during the cold war you have countries wanting to be free have republics elect leaders in the kgb didn't like it and so they'd send in agents to do what's called critical theory and they would observe all the they would map the groups in the country uh economic groups racial groups religious groups and they would categorize them as victims and oppressors and then uh have some have nots and they

15:45would pin them against each other and cause crisis and riots and bloodshed why bloodshed because then people think emotionally and they want to blame somebody then they co up the media to blame the leader of the country and his popularity falls and they do a coup and so country after country with follows called behind the iron curtain and uh they call them color revolutions because the two sides that they would they'd want people to identify with the sides and so they would have a color started in china when Mao Zai Tung came in and he had the red party and the black party the red party were the working class and the black party were the landowners and so he got people to identify with these and then pitted them against each other and so we our CIA was doing this in reverse in countries around the world to try to keep them from being in the Soviet orbit and being an until Obama came and he turned all of these CIA tactics inward on America for political purposes with his smith month modernization act and um and so now we see this idea of sewing division inside

16:48our own country but what what do you recommend to I want to say to leaders I mean I'm talking like local leaders party leaders candidates people in congress legislators but also just to all of us I mean what how do you counter dividing conquer when they're dividing us in this way what's the best way to counter it um well and never say anything bad about anybody you know but it's this idea once you're aware of the tactic it's sort of like the last scene of the wizard of Oz where a little dog totale pulls back the curtain to an old man at a microphone instead of you like I'm the great uhs and you're like oh look at this like this is all planned somebody's behind it um there's a quote from FDR he said whoever seeks to set one nationality against another seeks to degrade all nationalities whoever seeks to set one race against another seek to enslave all races FDR said 1942 remember the Nazi technique pit race against race religion against religion prejudice against prejudice to buy and conquer and then I thought it was fascinating you know once you you understand this you

17:52you spot it so here's uh NBA Charles Barkley April 3rd 2021 and he's there's rioting and he says man I think most white people and black people are great people I really believe that in my heart but I think our system is set up where our politicians are designed to make us not like each other so they can keep their grasp of money and power they divide and conquer he says we're so stupid their only job is hey let's make the whites and blacks not like each other let's make the rich people and the more people not like each other let's scramble the middle class I truly believe this in my heart I mean here's Charles Barkley say look it looks like this is sort of planned it looks like somebody's intentionally want to stir up this division so they can keep their grasp of power and um so there is a military review magazine uh December 1960 an article on Soviet psychological warfare I don't know how I find these things but this was interesting it says um yeah propaganda technique called projection if you do something wrong accuse the enemy of doing it before he accuses you it is

18:56pretty well that's exactly what they've been doing uh the one who makes the accusation first has the advantage because many people won't but won't do the research he says um we've all heard children claim he hit me first in order to exclaim escape blame so here's a military magazine saying this is what you do if you do something wrong accuse your opponent of doing it right it's the Nancy Pelosi uh wrap up smear uh and so I heard a npcr interview and I actually went back got the text of it but it was uh april 19 2010 david axelrod who was the advisor to obama and he said in Chicago there was an old tradition of throwing a brick through your own campaign office window and then calling a press conference to say you've been attacked you attack your it's it's the jessie's small thing right you plan and attack on yourself so that you can blame your opponent for it and and so these tactics once we are aware of them then they lose their power over you and then we say you know what

19:56uh I'm not going to yield my mouth to spreading discord um I'm going to do what I can yeah like ronnell ragan's eleventh commandment you know don't say anything bad about a fellow Republican so good so good of your many books what would be the best one for somebody to start on this particular subject uh it's socialism the real history from plate to it to the present excellent excellent and that's at america you get it america minute dot com force anywhere books are sold but america minute dot com is the best place to get it right right we're almost at a time but it is you know yesterday was labor day and most of us don't know the history of labor day can you give us a quick history on it so labor day you had industrial revolution where uh iZichwats developed a pump to get water out of coal mines in england in seventeen sixty and this steampump turned into a steam engine making textiles and cloth and factories and um the british wouldn't let any factories be built in america so it wasn't until after the revolution we had factories um and then you have a wave of immigrants from germany and they bring with them their carl marks uh

21:02redistribution of wealth class struggle and they formed the first unions in america and uh but we have the fastest rise in the standard living um with um all these factories uh but uh the economy dropped in in in eighteen ninety four and pulman real-world car company in chicago there was a worker named Eugene debs and he organizes a railroad strike that burns eighty million dollars worth of railroad cars in twenty seven states and so uh he has uh wanted may first to be uh the international workers day uh well grover cleanlands the president because their ship and mail on the railroads he's able to get the federal government to break the strike Eugene debs put in jail he reads and rereads carl marks he comes out and starts the socialist party of america he runs for president five times from nineteen hundred to nineteen twenty and then nineteen twenty branching off is the communist party USA they run candidates for president every year until nineteen forty and that's when franklin rose adult made a treaty with stall in

22:04during world war two and so the socialist and communist said why should we run our own candidates let's just join the democrat party and that's where you have people like Ronald Reagan saying I didn't leave the democrat part of the democrat party left me well uh grover cleveland didn't want to do may first international workers day so he made september by the first money in september labor day uh good things they did was enchild labor uh eight hour work day forty hour work week the problem was as the workers benefits went up the factories went overseas and it began something called outsourcing and so um and then when their factories went overseas so did their patriotism and they became well globalists and uh so there is uh i love the one quote from book or two washington he says that we need to turn out more job creators and he says anybody can be a job seeker we need to have more job creators well bill you messed up all my history because i thought labor day just meant you did extra labor on labor day now anyway good stuff brother hey well uh rick again

23:05you hit a home run out of the park and thank you for get behind your marks he is the republican candidate that part of you to get behind him and and david and tim you guys are great inspirations uh to my son and i and that we thank god for you amen amen well god bless your brother stay with us folks we'll be right back with david and tim bar hey friends rick green from the wildbatter show encouraging you to share the program with friends and family and listen to it on the podcast that are out there there's so many options for you to listen to in the car or from home or while you're working out you've got apple podcast spotify amazon music i heart radio cast box i mean there's so many options and we just want to make sure you know we've worked hard to get it out there and make it available for you on all those different apps everybody's got their favorite apps so choose your particular app and if it's not on there yet email us radio at wallbuilders.com and let us know about your favorite podcast app more make sure wallbuilders radio is listed there but you can listen and most importantly share it with your friends and family that's how the program grows that's how we get more truth in the hands

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25:10down our fights and say hey there's bigger enemies than each other out there let's join together against those bigger enemies well it's something too i think that as as we are talking to individuals and especially Christians we talked a little bit yesterday about Christians you can't sit on the sideline we will talk about this probably a lot more coming into the election um that we have to be encouraged we can't be frustrated and discouraged inside that we're going to be like the the servant from the parable of talents that takes and varies that talent in the ground that we're not going to be a good steward of something God's given us and i think it's a very important thing to recognize that you might be frustrated with somebody because the decision they made of a personality sometimes inside the family those fights are the most personal but the reality is my brother and i might have had a lot of fights but if someone picks up my brother i'm going to fight harder for the person picking up my brother than anybody else why because our internal fights is a family don't change the reality that we are still a family when you are advocating for certain principles and policies you might disagree internally like a family but recognize that the

26:15policy disagreement with the other side is far worse than any personality disagreement on your side i can see it now Tim and his brother Stephen duke it out in the front yard but if the neighbor comes along and wants to fight they're standing back and back to take on the neighbor right Tim there's no doubt chew jitsu at its best here we go i love it all right guys we're out of time for today special thanks to bill federer for joining us today more at our websites wallborders.com at wallborders.com thanks so much for listening to the wallborder show