Two Sides to Every Story (Mathew Knowles and Kendis Gibson Interview)

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2:04An oil change is the last thing you have time for. So drive into take five and let our techs change your oil, check your tires, top off your fluids and have you back on the road, pit stop fast. All while you stay in your car. No putting your entire schedule on hold, no upsells, no problem. You can get back to your to do list or not. Find your nearest shop at take five dot com, take five, the stay in your car, 10 minute oil change. I'm a home guy that knows a little bit about everything and everybody you know, it's crazy. I don't feel right about that. Lauren came in. Hi. Hey y'all. What's up? It's Lauren the Rosa. And this is the latest with Lauren the Rosa. This is your daily dig on all things pop culture, entertainment news and all of the conversations that shake the phone, baby. Back on the grind. So let's check in behind the scenes of the grind. We went to a woman's history month event that I heard media had yesterday. Various panels and various performances to the stand out because I knew the people

3:05on the panel. It was a panel with Thea Mitchem who was our program director at power one of five one just hilarious. And a few of the other women voices at the station. They had an amazing conversation just about knowing your voice, finding your voice and understanding that your voice is important. And then that was followed by a conversation with the one and only OG Angie Martinez and Angie Martinez was in combo with someone that I've talked about many of times here on the podcast. Ms. Bozema St. John of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, marketing genius, market term, market term to the biggest brands in the world, some of them. And you know, Bozema has always been a person that is really, really great at communication and really, really great at showing up as herself in various places. So she talked a lot about what, you know, as a woman, what she lanes in on the most

4:05in order to do that. I have just some inspirational words from the panel from the sit down with the Bozema St. John and Angie Martinez that I wanted to play here. The kind of let you guys know what head space I started my day and I said, but wherever your intuition is talking to you, we tend to downplay it. And so we ask people their opinion on whether or not we should take this or the job, whether we should date that or the person, what we should wear to the party, like stop doing that. Because when you do that, every time you do it, you continue to doubt yourself and your own voice. And we often know when we should pick it out of the relationship, out of the job, out of that friendship, but we know it, we just don't believe ourselves. And so then we don't. And we do when we don't do that. And so it feels very much like an individual concept and idea.

5:07And a lot of times, I mean, now you're like, yes, you're looking at my resume and people feel like, oh my god, the strategy took to build it. But the truth is that nobody really was cheering me as I was making those credits. The last corporate job I had, I was the global chief marketing officer of Netflix. Right? And I had a big job, y'all. But when I was leaving, people told me I was framing you, right? Because I wanted to write my book, which a lot of publishers said that I should write that, like, you know, how to get into the corner suite in heels, but how to climb the corporate ladder in heels. Oh boy. I was like, you write that book, don't tell people I said that, okay? But I decided not to write that book. I wanted to write a book about grief and about loss, because I did through so much of it.

6:07And I think what happens is that as you become bigger and bigger and bigger in your leadership in your career, people sometimes think that, like, you got there with some sort of ease, right? You know, and I was just like, no, I've been knocked down hard. One thing Bozmer going to do is just motivate you, like in real life, it's not even just about the words that she says, because she's obviously really good at putting them things together, putting the words together, baby, she is so good at it. But it's a lot about how she actually shows up as a person. When we were doing the podcast from Ghana, I told you guys that we hung out with Bozmer, me and my boyfriend went to Ghana for New Year's, and we hung out with Bozmer St. John and her family. And we experienced just such a great time and such an inspirational kickoff to the year of understanding how important we are to the world. And we shared some of that video and that audio, so you can go back and check that out in a later podcast episode. But that's how she, I mean, any space she's in, that's how she shows up.

7:10So today, heading in on into things, if I'm checking in behind the scenes of the grind, I just feel very secure in what I have happening. And even in the things that I don't have right and don't have figured out, I just feel secure in, I know what I need to do, nor just got to do it, which is a great place to be security and feeling secure for me, as we continue to celebrate Women's History Month, just speaking from the place of being a woman, not being a person, not being a media person, but being a woman who is day-to-day, figuring it out, being secure is so important because it just puts you in the headspace to try things, but to tackle things, to just create the plan into execute. That's what I mean. It puts you in a great space of execution. And that's what this year is about for me, so loved last night's conversation was a great way to end a long work day. Now speaking of execution, let's get on into the latest, because baby, it is some drama gone on in the Cardinal's household, Beyonce's dad, then said some things, let's get into

8:13the latest. Alrighty, so we want to back you guys up a bit. So from a full interview of Matthew Knows, having a conversation about Destiny's Child because he is promoting a reimagined tribute toward that he is doing for Destiny's Child, a clip from an interview he did with Pixel 11, an anchor named Candace Gibson from Pixel 11 is going viral. So the late Monday night, page 6 posted this video and it's like short, it's, I mean, I want to say all of like maybe two minutes long with it looped. So there's like 53 seconds of a moment where Matthew Knows is asked about Ms. Tina Knows who is the mother of Beyonce, Matthew Knows is the father of Beyonce, Beyonce is a lunge and y'all just listen for yourself. So take a listen to the clip that was put out on March 17th. You heard your flowers and said the same thing to the Tina Knows.

9:18You guys put in the work and obviously the talent was there with your kids and your grandkids. What work did she put in? In the hair. Look how old they are. They have to be actually the end of the styling. The style of the imaging. He cleaned to have preyed on the name and the finesse bits of that. Sure. Sure. Yeah. It's a joint effort. We'll stop now. Sorry. Did I say something wrong? No, no, no, no, no. I thought we were doing it. You're doing it? Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Now this clip begin to circulate insanely on March 3rd. So 24 hours later, this clip begins to circulate insanely. And here we are talking about it today.

10:18Of course, the conversation around this is why was it an issue to be giving Miss Tina Knows? That's the largest mother, her flowers. The way that Mr. Matthew Knows responds to Candice Gibson, who is a journalist in this interview, when asked the question, makes it feel like he was like trying to take away whatever credit should be given to Miss Tina Knows. And I mean, she's Beyonce's mom. She's still on just mom. The world physically and literally would not have these two amazing beings if her body didn't carry them. So of course, this did not pick up well. It is now all over the place and being picked up all over the place. And we talked about on the Breakfast Club as well, right? And after we talked about it on the Breakfast Club, it was bothering me. I'm like, why haven't I seen this interview in full? Candice does full interviews for a show that he has on Pixel 11 called Candice with

11:21Candice. What I like about Pixel 11 and what they're doing with Candice is there are local news out there in New York, but on the entertainment front, they're booking big talent as they should because they're local, but they're in a big market. But he does these full on, you know, cross subject interviews and they're always really busy. And he books talent that, I mean, it's hard to get. He's interviewed almost every member of Destiny's Child at this point. He also interviewed Miss Tina Knowles when her book dropped. He's interviewed Beyonce like back in the day. So he's almost become what I began to realize even before this moment, when I saw his interview with Kelly, and then when I saw his interview with Kelly Rowland, and then prior to that, I remember he does interview with Miss Tina. And then I knew that he talked to Michelle. I'm like, oh, he's their safe space because, you know, the way that the, you know, protection is set up around the amazing iconic women of Destiny's Child.

12:23And as it should be, they're not just sitting down in the body, right? So there were some questions here for me. I'm like, if they sat down, I know there's more to the interview. And I realized that Pixel 11 didn't post this clip themselves. So I'm digging and I see a full interview on YouTube. Honestly, I wish I had seen the full interview prior to us going on air. But for some reason, because I only saw this clip and I didn't even see Candice himself post this interview or post more from it, I just thought that there wasn't anything. I thought that this was like a teaser to something or whatever. But anyway, we're here now. So I've watched a full interview and so when I talked about this previously on the Breakfast Club, I exclusively told you guys that Mr. Matthew knows, you know, in him ending this interview from what I was told, I spoke to Candice Gibson. And I was told that this moment that has been amplified from this interview, which actually happened on January 30th. So this interview happened weeks ago.

13:23There was this one moment in the interview, which Patiox posted where, yes, Mr. Matthew knows did get up and leave abruptly. And Candice says he was completely thrown off. He says he was completely thrown off because there was never like any, here's what you're not allowed to ask. The conversation was about Destiny's Child because Mr. Matthew knows is doing a Destiny's Child tribute. And in talking about Destiny's Child, you of course talk about Beyonce. It was around Grammy time when they recorded this and she was up to break crazy records at the Grammys, right? So of course you talk about Beyonce. And in talking about Beyonce, you eventually have to get to the point where you talk about the creators of Beyonce, literally her parents, who we famously know. Now in the Patiox article, you know, when this was originally published, Mr. Matthew Manose, he told Patiox that Candice Gibson, the journalist in question here, had arrived. 15 minutes later to sit down, Mr. Matthew knows says that he acts, Candice acts multiple

14:27questions about Tina. Mr. Matthew knows says that he politely ended the interview. He shook his hand, took a photograph and then he did. There's another article that says Mr. Matthew knows says that he had another interview to get to Candice says that that was not true. They later found out he just had, he even had lunch. He just ended this abruptly, right? So I'm asking Candice, I'm like, well, can you explain to me like, what was the issue? And I watched the interview in full and from what was here unless it was edited because again, this moment that sparked all this controversy was, was added it out, right? So unless it was edited out, there's a 40, almost 40 minute interview on Pix11's YouTube channel. Miss Tina knows is not mentioned in one time directly, like, at all. But again, I don't know what was edited, what was not because this has been out since the 30th. And then I asked Candice, I'm like, hey, were you or anybody at Pix11 told that you were not allowed to act about Miss Tina? He also said, no, he, Candice, you know, who conducted this interview said that he was

15:30very shocked and you can hear it in the interview at the end of that, that clip where Mr. Matthew knows is obviously agitated, let's take a listen to how it ended you because you can hear Candice kind of called off guard, we're trying to make sure he didn't do anything. Uh, we'll, we'll stop now. Sorry. Did I say something wrong? No, no, no, no. All right. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. So Candice says he was completely called off guard and in watching the full interview, I understand why he was called off guard because if what Mr. Matthew knows is saying, like basically he's saying it started off bad so in the bad, Mr. Matthew knows that I'm being listened. I know he's a pro. He didn't create it. Some of the best, most talented and professional beings on the world in the world, but you couldn't tell that there was any, anything that was agitated in the beginning of this interview throughout the interview because they talk about so many things that are not just domestic

16:31stuff, right? Which is what I think is kind of being implied here by, he kept asking questions about Miss Tina Knowles, who, you know, Mr. Matthew knows that Miss Tina Knowles have not been together in some years now, like they divorced in 2011, they were married for 31 years and Miss Tina Knowles has talked about, you know, kind of some of their like upsets and the alleged infidelity and her decision to leave him and all that stuff, but and Candice did that interview. He didn't even bring that into it from what we can see in that. There's a part of it in it. What's up, everyone? My name is Dr. J. Barnett and I am the host of Jess Hill with Dr. J. podcast. Listen, one thing that I remember about my childhood is being able to remember my phone number because it was like the thing at that time, you got to remember your phone number in case you get somewhere and you can't get in touch with anybody. You need to be able to remember your phone number. Did you know that 2026 were marked the 150 anniversary of the first ever phone call? It took place March 10th, 1876 and from the call that sparked it all to the first low

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20:44a lot of people think that it's going to be rock music. So they act about it. A kind of acts about that. And they, I feel like this was like such a like their laughing and joking. Like you can see the chemistry and the interview here. Let's take a look. Do you want act three to be rock? What? Act three to be rock. I wanted to be whatever Beyonce wants it to be. Will it be rock? I don't know. We've gotten to it. Will it be rock? I don't know. Was that a thought? Was she rock? What was her original mindset like when I gave it a hit? It went right over your head. What was it? I gave it a hit. It went right over your head. It went right over your head. I had to teach this to a man out of the interview.

21:45So rock it is. I don't know. If you have any other hints, I'm open. Stay open. Stay awake. I'm just sitting here. That's a word. I think that's where music comes in. Because it brings collective of people together. And I've seen Destiny's Child do that. I've seen Beyonce do that. I've seen Salonge bring all shapes and colors together. One come and go. Which is what this Destiny's Child iconic re-imagined tribute is all about. Yeah. And then they even get deep. They talk about how Destiny's Child, their music and what they did in their movement literally saved people's lives. And Mr. Matthew Knows shares a story about how there was a girl who wrote fan mail to them back when people would actually write letters about how she almost killed herself and survived her song, Saved You. Let's take a listen to that. I remember years ago when we had

22:46fan club mail and I would read some of it. And I remember reading a letter from a woman in Pennsylvania. She had gotten in her bathtub, had a razor about to slit her wrist. And in the kitchen on her radio, Survivor came on. Wow. And it saved the life. We got a lot of letters on Survivor that actually saved people's lives. And myself six years ago when I was diagnosed with cancer and I was being rolled into the operating room. That was the song that was in my head. Wow. I'm a survivor. I'm going to make it. I'm not going to stop, but we'll keep on surviving. Wow. Who penned that song, do you remember? Somebody named Beyonce Knows, Matthew Knows, and Anthony Dent. And was it born out of

23:52something that had happened? Yeah, it was a DJ, smart DJ in Houston on the radio talking about that being on Destiny's Child is like being on the TV show Survivors. Who's going to get kicked off this week? And me and Beyonce looked at each other and we said, that's a great idea. Literally, you guys looked at each other. You're in the car listening to this and you're like, okay, you know what? We're going to take that and we're going to write a song about it because I am a survivor. We all are. Hopefully. Yeah. And of course, you know, is there more Beyonce music coming? Is there more Destiny's Child with Beyonce music coming? Like all of those things we talked about as well, his grandkids, one of the things I learned in this interview was the fact that Destiny's Child, they've never missed a show, no matter how sick or anything, which, you know, goes to show that work ethic and

24:54and Mr. Matthew Knows, like the direct question was, what is one thing we didn't know, which was interesting because I felt like people asked all the same questions about Destiny's Child. So that was interesting here, but also, remember when Blue Ivy was coming out on stage all of that time during the Renaissance tour? Mr. Matthew Knows, of course, was there on some shows, on some occasions and can this ask him about, you know, how did he feel? What was his emotion? When Blue Ivy came out on stage and it was that whole handoff moment from Destiny's Child to Blue Ivy, let's take a look. It didn't come across to you when they walked off stage and Blue walked on. Did you see the transition that the handoff that we all did? You haven't met Rumi. I can tell. I can tell this young man has not met Rumi. So wait, so we think Blue is the manager. What's Rumi then?

25:55You'll see. Give two more years. Really? Rumi is so large all over here. Not Rumi is the next salon. Maybe because Salange is a force, I love her. I love her whole being her whole existence. She is just, I don't know. She's so unbothered, but it's like everything she does is so she takes her time. She's in her own space. She's moving in her own pace, her own motion. She's one of one. So to find out that Rumi is very much baby Salange and then you have Blue Ivy who is obviously baby Beyonce, right? There's drama and then there's full telenovela level drama. Yes, and alf cosmetics went all the way there. Elf cosmetics just dropped something wildly unexpected, a full blown and certainly funny telenovela celebrating positivity, inclusivity and accessibility. It's called Melisa and it's absurd in the best way. It stars Melissa McCarthy, TV doctor Nicholas Gonzalez, an iconic telenovela villain Itatia Cantorol. But the real star? Elf glow reviver lip oil. When the language fails her,

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28:03T minimalist, a Louis Vuitton lover, or do you like a little bit of both depending on the vibe? Whatever your fashion mood, you can find what feels like you on poshmark. With millions of new and pre-loved pieces, poshmark is your one-stop style destination from everyday wardrobe staples to vintage gems and luxury labels. Into reformation, got it. Car heart, got that too. From designer bags to streetwear, it's all there. Men's, yes. Women's, absolutely. Kids, you bet. And the best part, you're shopping real closets from real people with real style. It's like rating your most fashionable friends wardrobe. If you had thousands of fashionable friends, plus every item over $500 goes through poshmark's authentication process. So you can shop high-end with total confidence. Ready to refresh your closet? Head to poshmark.com, sign up with code podcast 10 and get 10 dollars off your first purchase. Go ahead, find your next favorite thing. When your schedule sounds like this,

29:06are you kidding me? An oil change is the last thing you have time for. So drive into take five and let our texts change your oil, check your tires, top off your fluids and head you back on the road, pit stop fast. All while you stay in your car. No putting your entire schedule on hold, no upsells, no problem, so you can get back to your to-do list or not. Find your nearest shop at take five dot com. Take five, the stay in your car, 10 minute oil change. Who knew? My point in and even talking about these are the moments in an interview and showing you guys this is that I don't know for sure if I believe, you know, Mr. Knowles, when it comes to this and it doesn't know disrespect completely respective and everything he's done with the group. But if I'm reading a statement and you're talking about how the interview started off on a bad foot ended so it ended on a bad foot as if there was a, you know, some sort of like disconnect that just made the energy bad and then I'm seeing you guys laughing, joking, getting deep. Like as a person that does interviews, I'm like,

30:08are you sure? Like were we all in the same? Are you watching the same interview you were in? And hopefully there was nothing else added it out because Candice has gone on record with me about this. And if one thing has been added it out and that made it to the surfaces because Candice also too, let me know that like, you know, this is not something that he's losing sleep over, but the network is definitely confused how that clip made it out because now it's overshadowing the actual interview itself. So hopefully nothing else is leaked, right? Like if there were more Tina questions, if there were questions that were pointed in a wrong way about Miss Tina, that would have made him say, okay, we're done. I'm over this. You know, if something, if one thing has already slipped, something else might as well too. So hopefully not, it's because he's gone on record, but I don't know. Mr. Matthew knows the statement and what I'm watching. It just, it doesn't align. So I'm still trying to figure out, you know, what was that? Like because I don't believe that he just wouldn't want her to also receive flowers as well too.

31:10I don't want to believe that only because I think, you know, for him to have been as successful as he's always talked about, he was in investing in, you know, the corporate arena, somebody had to be with the babies and make sure the babies were in their best head space and physical space so that they could then go on to become Beyonce and some lunch. And I know he understands that and appreciates it. And I've seen him speak super positively and very well of Miss Tina knows and vice versa. So I don't know what's going on here. I don't know what this moment is about, but I mean, all I could tell you is what I was told and that is what I've done. Yeah, if there's any more, I, of course you guys know I'm always keeping you posted. It will do so. Shout out to Kindis though, and you know, everything, Kindis Gibson and Kindis with Kindis over at Pixel 11. Make sure I check out that platform because he does a really good job with his interviews. I was so surprised, actually, like to see a moment like this from one of his interviews, they always seem and it's not

32:11that he doesn't ask the harder questions or the things that people want to know. You can just tell that the people that come on his show, he's built up some time and rapport with them. So they're comfortable about talking about the uncomfortable things. I don't know, didn't go well this time, no, here. I'm learning Rosa. This has been another episode of the latest with Lauren Rosa. You're daily dig on all things pop culture, entertainment news and all of the conversations that shaped the room. And I tell you guys every episode, y'all could be anywhere with any old body, talking about all of these things, which I'll choose to be right here with me, my low riders. I'll see you guys in my next episode. Ever show a blade to a game and your friends already saved you a seat, your drink, or even a plate. That's looking out. That's having your back. And that's exactly what AT&T does with the AT&T guarantee. They know staying connected matters. So they actually guarantee a network that comes through when it counts. AT&T has connectivity that you can depend on, or they'll proactively

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