Trump Abandoned By GOP After His Plan Backfires; WH is Imploding

All right, Mike Nellis is back and we're just going to start ripping immediately.

Mike, John Thune, which is the Senate Majority Leader who I don't rob you enough and I'll

just, I'm going to set that aside.

He goes on Fox News to beg Trump to start donating his $400 million Warches to Senate

candidates.

Let's play the clip.

I'm not going to stop happening here and is that money going to start rolling anytime

soon?

We certainly hope so.

The Senate Leadership Fund is engaged in all the races that you identified and mentioned

earlier.

We've got a big field and obviously the firewall to defending the majority in the Senate

is going to revolve in or hinge on winning those races.

So we've got to make sure those races are resourced, but we are certainly hopeful that the

president and his team, Omega Inc. will be engaged in some of these races.

What do you think?

You think Trump is going to give any of his $400 million?

Yeah, I think he'll spend some of it, but I think they're going to wish that he had

it because the reports on it is that he's not going to spend it to go help Ken Paxton

or go help any of the other candidates.

It's that he's going to spend it to talk about his own record and he's so narcissistic

that he can't get beyond the idea that America is not having a golden age that these Republican

candidates need to be better to find.

They need to go after the Democrat candidates.

They're not going to do it in all summer.

Republicans have been saying just wait.

The polls aren't reflective.

Donald Trump's going to spend all this money and that's going to change things, but we

might be in a situation where the election is already baked and now all they have is just

trying to cheat.

Yeah, and don't you think?

I think when it comes to like many partens, he loves dangling something over people.

Because he's a very petulant, small little man.

So I think he wants them on begging and then he can say in a humiliation ritual, the Senate

majority leaders begging me to get involved.

And so he's going to use it as they want me involved.

And really what he's wanting is this money.

And Donald Trump, I heard that he was going to make the convention, the midterm convention

all about him, the Trump of polluted, which I'm all for.

What are your thoughts?

No, I think it's great.

It's an incong contribution to the Democratic Party.

I appreciate the Republicans for doing it.

Apparently he's going to speak every night, like God bless.

I don't know what I did to deserve that.

I think the other thing that's at play here is he's desperate for them to pass the

save act, which is really about federalizing America's elections.

I think the fact that John Thune will not kill the filibuster in order to pass that is

the reason Donald Trump is withholding this money.

And I think he wants, I think at this point, for Republicans to lose the midterm elections

so we can blame it on that and continue to further degrade people's trust in our elections.

So I think that's really what it's about.

Because he said, there's no reason for anybody to be mad at me.

They're mad at the Republicans.

They love Donald Trump.

Trump's doing a good job.

They're mad at the GOP, which is not true.

Because Trump's approval rating is lower than the Republican parties, which by the way,

both of them are lower than the Democratic parties, which is also pretty low.

Basically, people hate everybody right now.

Yeah.

Okay.

This is a hypothetical question.

If you were hooked up to true sermon apolygraph and somebody asked you, how many Republican

senators do you think deep down want the Democrats to win so that they can put up a guard

rail that we can't because we're too chicken shit?

No, I don't think that's the way they think, but I do think they want us to win because

they like being the dog that chases the car.

The thing about the Republican party is they have no new ideas to improve your life on

any level.

It's like, what's the Republican health care plan?

What's the Republican economic agenda?

I couldn't tell you what it is.

What I can tell you is I know there's a lot of stealing and there's a lot of thieving,

but I think they like being just that dog that chases the car.

I mean, I was on Fox News the other day getting yelled out by Clay Travis about trans kids

for the thousand times.

Oh my God, I just was like, Clay, you need some new material.

Like what is it?

And I think you just go show you they don't understand why they won in 2024, which is

really about the economy.

So they never developed any actual solutions to deal with the economic crisis because

that they're trapped on like, let's attack trans kids for the thousand time.

That'll scare suburban female voters and voting for Republicans in the fall is not going

to work because that's not why they won in the first place.

A, but B, it's because they're in charge.

When you're in charge, you get punished for everything that happens.

That's what happened to Joe Biden.

There were a lot of things that wasn't the Biden administration's fault of Kamala Harris

while they got bullied for them anyway, because you're in charge.

And they just don't get that.

All right.

So we're, they're going to put Trump out there front center because he can't help

himself.

And he is the Republican party.

He is the person he is all they have.

And so his cabinet members like Scott Besent, who's a billionaire, they're out doing their

own sense of stumping.

And he says something rather interesting about Democrats.

Let's play the clip.

So, so we're going to talk about socialism here in the US when we look at the demographic

of those voters.

They are overeducated and under earning.

Yes.

And these are under achievers who are jealous of those who want to go and work every day.

So he's basically saying that Democrats don't want to work and are lazy.

This messaging that somehow were jealous of Maga is really a tell on them that they

genuinely are lack fundamental self-awareness in any capacity at all.

And they live, Scott Besent, Donald Trump, all of the billionaires that kiss the ring.

They are so detached from the normal American experience.

These people do not go through TSA lines.

They don't drive their own cars.

They do not go to the grocery store.

They have probably in 10 years, none of them have ever pumped gasoline into car.

I would bet that Donald Trump has never pumped gasoline into cars.

I would have never pumped gas.

He was born with a golden spoon up his ass.

So, it's Scott Besent, by the way.

Scott Besent is not a self-made billionaire.

By the way, he looks like a guy who just laid off your dad.

They keep putting out these guys.

What's the other little weasel guy's name?

They have on CNBC all the time talking about how great the economy is.

I forget I can see him, but he kind of looks like the energy vampire from what we do in

the shadows.

Have you seen that show?

No, I haven't seen that show, but it sounds like you're describing Stephen Miller.

Yeah, it's not Stephen Miller, though.

Somehow less charisma than Stephen Miller.

Oh, God.

I'll find his name later.

Somebody in the comments will pull it out.

I appreciate whoever you are out there.

It's wonderful.

But they are very disconnected from the day-to-day lives of most Americans.

They're disconnected from what's actually happening.

I mean, today we got the jobs report from ADP.

I think we only gained like 30,000 jobs.

We lost 17,000 manufacturing jobs.

You're going to tell those 17,000 workers who just lost their job that they're lazy or

that they're jealous of Magga.

I'm not jealous of Magga.

I'm doing well.

You're doing well.

It's fine.

There are a lot of people, though, that I think believed in and trusted a system.

So think about all of the coders who went to school for a long time and took out massive

amounts of student loan debt in order to get those coding degrees.

And now AI is basically eating those jobs alive.

And you see that in the jobs numbers.

Like those jobs are shrinking right now.

So people are mad.

People want to work.

I've never met anybody who didn't want to work.

For the most part, people like it to be a little bit easier.

I just, they're so disgonna say the same thing that Carolyn Levit did like a month or two

ago when she came back from maternity leave.

She went on Fox News.

She was like, all Gen Z or lazy.

Like people in my generation are lazy.

They just don't want to work.

They want everything for free.

We want basic infrastructure that helps support our lives.

You wouldn't tell seniors that they're lazy because of social security and Medicare.

I just don't.

Don't you think that this is a part of the Republican lie since Reagan that poor people are lazy.

This sort of demonization of the poor as escape-goating tactic while they're very wealthy

or fleeting the country.

And if we look at the deficit right now, $40 trillion, that tells me we don't have a whole

lot to show for it except for a bunch of wars started on lies.

And we have spent trillions of dollars on the United States military.

It's still not enough.

They still want more petexeth.

The most incompetent military person in the military is in charge of the military.

Is the only one left who works there now?

Yeah.

And it's just, I think a lot of this lazy stuff, it started under Reagan and this demonization,

this escape-goating.

And I think it's people wean off of corporate news.

Good for you for going on and throwing through truth bombs all the time.

But as these spaces build and build up, that stuff that Scott Besson is saying, it just

doesn't land.

It's not relatable in the world anymore.

Because if anything, when I think of lazy, I think of the guy that gets up and goes to work

every day and falls asleep on camera with RFK Jr. speaking right here, which is incredible

to be able to take a nap with RFK and his voice right here.

It's so grating.

How does he do that?

It's honestly impressive.

I like to know what drugs he's on.

I wish they'd be transparent with his medical records because maybe I would sleep better.

They'd be like, oh, we're sort of cocktail.

They're good.

All right.

And here we have, so we have, they're going to trot Trump out.

They have Jerry Manderd, which a lot of people are now calling Demi Mandering because it's

not working out very well.

And now we have really whistleblower with the United States Postal Service.

And Trump has had to be in his bonnet about mail-in ballots since Joe Biden beat him in

2020.

And this whistleblower, this brave whistleblower comes out and talks about how if one of the ballots

in a bundle of 10,000 was mismarked or something, then instead of just throwing that one ballot

out, the United States Postal Service would just trash all 10,000 of them.

And so we have this final guardrail, which is our midterm.

And we have all of this election interference slash cheating that is going on.

And Robert Garcia, who I just absolutely love, the Congressman from California, is responding

to the whistleblower report.

Let's play the clip.

U.S.P.S. is in the jurisdiction of the oversight committee.

We need to have immediate hearings, bringing the Postmaster General, bringing folks from

the Postal Service leadership there to understand who was giving the direction, who was trying

to gain access to vote by mail, and trying to essentially rig the election in the midterms

and in 2028.

That's the intersection of incompetence or just outright ability.

And I don't know which it is, but I think we can guess.

They're going to do everything they can to steal the election.

I think we know that Donald Trump has been really honest about that from the SAVE Act

to this.

To everything else, by the way, Donald Trump votes by mail.

I just want to be really clear about that.

Secure enough for the President of the United States, but it's not secure enough for you,

because they don't like the way the Democratic States handle it.

They complain about California accounting the ballots that arrive after but are postmarked

before the election.

But literally, the reason California takes so long is that it has the most secure elections

in the nation.

And so, it's like right behind them in terms of the way that they make sure that all

the ballots are secured correctly and that people aren't voting.

I mean, they got caught lying when Trump gave that speech.

It was a month and a half ago where he was talking about all the non-citizens of the

voted, and it turns out they were counting dead people who are on the roles, but didn't

actually vote.

And so it's just like, look, the polling situation for Trump is dire.

He's underwater in 47 out of 50 states.

I don't know what they're drinking in Wyoming, but God's love him.

I think it's Wyoming Idaho and Arkansas, like those three states are still above water.

And I could be wrong about that, but he's a 31% approval rating.

There's no chance that the Republicans are going to win the midterm's unless they cheat.

That's all that they do.

So they're going to try everything they can.

I just think the wave is going to be too big for them to be able to rig.

So now, hopefully, we got enough attention on all this stuff to make sure that they can't

get away with it, but it's a scary situation.

And I think people need to be careful about what they do.

If you're going to mail in about it, make sure you check to make sure that it was sent,

or if you're living in Texas right now, they just removed what?

1.2 million people they put in one.

I forget the name of the list, but basically they were saying that they couldn't confirm

your address.

So now they've put you on a specialist.

You have to vote provisionally in the fall.

And they just closed, I think, like 32% of the polling locations in Taren County, which

used to be a Republican stronghold, but is now an emerging Democratic stronghold.

So they're twisted and everything they can.

Yeah, it always seems that the Republican Party is always the one that wants, that likes

to lecture everybody up freedom.

It is always one and take away everybody's rights, the rights of women, the rights of

the LGBTQ plus community, the Voting Rights Act was getted.

And that just kind of happened.

And we've all just moved on with from it, just like the Roe v. Wade decision being getted.

We've all just have to move on from it.

But within our own party, we have a little bit of a civil war going on.

And the way I see it is you have a lot of corporate Democrats that are preservationists

that want to preserve the system that the Democratic Party has evolved into in a post-citizens

United World.

I'm a progressive Democrat and I want to go back to the FDR style of the Democratic Party.

I want a Democratic Party that works for all of us, works for everybody in quits servicing

the same corporations and lobbyists that also are servicing fascism.

And two Democrats are siding right now with little Moses Mike Johnson pop this up.

Judge Bull News House Democratic leadership announced disciplinary action against MGP and

Jared Golden after bailing out the House GOP, the decision by two of our colleagues to

blind side the entire House Democratic caucus and join with the Republican majority to pass

a procedural rule on the brink of failing represents a significant breach of trust.

It necessitates a serious response and we have asked the committee on caucus rules to take

this up in short order.

Yeah, what is the actual disciplinary action?

I think it's my first question because like asking the rules committee to take a look

at it is an actual disciplinary action.

It's like the classic like Congress is like I'm going to make it seem like there's something

happening here and like in reality like we'll be on to the next 10 things that were

mad about tomorrow.

Right.

I think for for MPG like she's running in an R plus 10 race so I always try to give her

like a lot of latitude because like she's probably the best we're going to be able to

do in a district like that.

This is particularly frustrating.

I don't think Nancy Pelosi basically came out and said she's like I've never seen

this happen before.

I have that right here.

Let's put Nancy Pelosi up.

Nancy Pelosi on Democrats, MGP and Jared Golden bailing out Republicans to approve a rule.

She says voting for the rule is something that I as speaker never.

We didn't even consider that anybody would do that.

We never had that problem so I'm disappointed that they did that.

And this is something that I will say is lacking in democratic leadership right now.

She ruled with an iron fist.

She had power and she used it.

She whipped people into shape.

She whipped votes into shape and a lot of super super progressive Democrats have criticism

of Nancy Pelosi and that's fair.

We should be the party that welcomes criticism within our own party because we're not

in a cold.

But I really long for that style of leadership in the Democratic Party right now.

Yeah.

I mean, look, I don't hate he came Jeffries the way that a lot of other people do in the

party.

But this is a concerning thing.

And I thought his response to it yesterday was also sort of poor because he was like I

don't know what happened.

Go ask Catherine.

And he was talking about Catherine Clark as whip.

And I'm like, you guys need to know what's going on.

Like you need to know when your members are going to vote against you and both MPG and

Jared Golden were saying that they didn't even have anybody reach out to them to ask

about how they were going to vote, which is also problematic.

So maybe it's a warning sign to like, hey, you got to like tighten up your your whipping

operation or something like that.

But for Golden in particular, like Golden is leaving.

Like he's retiring.

So like, why did he do this?

Like it's one thing for MPG to go, I'm running in a very difficult district.

I'm going to take this vote.

And yes, the left online is going to be really mad at me and the party will be mad at

me.

But that's good for my brand and a district where I need to look independent.

So the thing when you're leaving and you're just like shiv in the party on the way

out the door, I don't understand it.

But I also know that for for Golden, like my guess is he's probably got like some kind

of lobbying job lined up and positioning himself as anti socialists, which is what the

core of the vote was about.

I think is probably what's happening there, not dissimilar from like what Federman does

on a daily basis.

I don't know, but it was it was disloyal and it was wrong.

And I think it's questions about this.

I think this theory that there is a rotating villain strategy within the democratic party keeps

proving to be true that there are agreements that, okay, this is we're going to keep certain

pillars of this corrupt system.

This where we service corporations.

And so they rotate who takes the votes, who gets the hickey, who and you see that come

into play more and more.

And I think it's just wild that we have politicians right now and all over the country that are

taking on the very entities that are dismantling our democracy.

And you have Zora on Abdul, Angie Nixon and others who are not taking corporate PAC money,

who are taking on their own establishment party plus all the fascist donors and winning.

And that is like such an amazing thing.

And the fact that in the middle of the party, there's criticism of that or there's this

desire to want to sabotage Abdul El-Sayed.

And I heard somebody I can't remember who was talking about like, well, Abdul wouldn't

be my first choice.

This is a Democrat saying this.

And it's just like, I wish you had that energy towards Maga.

Right.

I wish that they had the energy that they had towards Zora that they have towards Abdul,

that they have towards Angie Nixon.

I wish they had that towards Maga.

Yeah.

I mean, a couple of things.

Like, when I don't buy the theory that there's like a rotating group of Democrats that

are just like passing off votes because it's almost always the same group of people that

are doing it.

Like, it's almost like when I saw that it was two, I could have told you immediately it

was MPG and Jared Golden.

And the other one would have been like Tom Susie.

And I don't think that Tom Susie would be that disillial to party leadership.

So I don't, I did something with the Iran folks.

I think that's where that sort of started online.

I think Ken Klipp and Stein like to talked about that.

I don't think that that's right.

Also just having worked for a lot of them, at least like a different parts of my career.

Like, I just, I don't buy that there's like that much level of coordination inside the

Democratic Party.

Like, we can't coordinate a birthday party at this point.

And again, I think that leads to the broader questions about party leadership right now

and a key in the relationship with Catherine Clark.

I think they've got to sort of settle that, especially.

And look, we're going to win the House, barring like some sort of active God, which might happen.

On the stuff about Abdul and the stuff about Mamdani.

Like, I absolutely hate the attacks I have to deal with in our party.

And the folks that are going on Fox News right now and attacking Abdul and going, I'm

never going to vote for him.

Like, almost always if you go look at their bio, like they're like an ex administration

official, the networks that approach them for lobbying for them.

And I'm sick of that crap.

I debated one of them.

His name was Julian.

His last name is Casey.

He was a former Clinton guy, but I debated him on Shun's Bicers podcast.

And I was like, every Democrat is better than every Republican.

And I can have disagreements with that of Abdul.

And I can have disagreements with Angie Nixon.

And I can have disagreements with others.

But like, I've never, I can't think of a single time in my 20 years doing this that a

Republican winning was better than a Democrat winning because I'm not going to give more

power to these people who are horrible.

And I think the Democratic Party's got to look up to that.

And Abdul wasn't my first choice.

Like I worked for McMarrow in that primer.

I thought she would have been a better candidate for the general.

I still feel that way.

But Abdul's the nominee.

The voters made their decision.

Like, people need to put their shit aside.

We can get back to arguing about it.

And I'm tired of arguing about a sonpiker.

And I'm tired of arguing.

And by the way, why do Republicans not have to argue about Laura Loomer, who is way

crazier than a sonpiker is on his worst day and has more way more control on the federal

government because she just got like Milo deported to another country.

Like, why is a random podcast or able to get people deported?

Why is she able to get the DOJ to investigate somebody like me?

Because that's happening right now.

So it's just, it's been a little bit more.

Wait, the DOJs invest.

Yeah, did we not, did we not, did I not send you this?

No.

Yeah, there was a near-time article two or three weeks ago.

It's based on the old conspiracy theory that Laura Loomer created that has to do with

me and my business partner funneling money to the judge in the Trump fraud case, which

makes no sense.

And the House Judiciary Committee opened an investigation in my company in 2024.

We fought it and basically won.

Now the DOJ is doing the same thing.

And I can't talk about like the pending litigation of it, other than to say that it's bullshit.

But they all start from Laura Loomer.

So.

No, I think it's absolutely incredible that Laura Loomer has said so much just horrid

racism towards very successful black.

She attacked Angie Nixon, right?

Yeah, Angie Nixon and Katanji Brown-Jackson.

And it's-

She's a nasty woman as a top-up person.

She's really, it's really disgusting.

And speaking of disgusting, the corporations that we all use all of their products like Apple,

don't know how to read the room at all.

So Trump, of course, sits down at one of his kindergarten show and tells in the oval.

And he decides he's going to cross out Ontario and write America in.

Nobody takes this seriously.

I would think nobody's taking it seriously, but Apple has caved to Trump.

And if you open up your iPhones right now, Tim Cook, gay man, a token in the fascist movement.

I want to remind him tokens get spent first.

He has changed our maps to say Lake America, pop this up.

Apple Maps is now rolling out Lake America in place of Lake Ontario for US users.

After Trump signed an executive order and contacted Apple directly.

This is a part of when I think about the message that needs to be sent in our midterms, like

the people that I want to receive it are the Supreme Court, of course, all of Maga that

refused to stand up for their constituents, refused to stand up for our democracy.

But also all of these oligarchs.

I want them to know this, we hate you guys.

Like we, I actually don't think we hate you enough.

You want to fleece the American worker.

You want to try to get out of paying taxes.

You're partnering with people like Scott Besent who caused the people that work for your

companies, lazy.

You refuse, if you're Walmart to pay your people a livable wage and then call Walmart workers

lazy while we're subsidizing the fact that you don't pay them enough money to live by

having to pay for food stamps, Medicare and Medicaid.

On top of all of that, they are coming for every American worker's wages.

It's not enough of all of the money that they have.

They want robots to replace human labor so that they can then extract and suck every

cent because it's not enough that they don't pay taxes.

It's not enough that Trump is rigging the entire system even more so than it was rigged

for them to ascend to this level.

They still continue to cave and I want these oligarchs to understand that their consumer,

the American consumer is sending a very loud message.

We want them regulated.

We want them paying taxes.

We don't want this stupid shit.

Nobody wants to open up their phone.

Let's talk about what state Lake Ontario hugs up against.

New York, nobody wants to see that shit.

This is something for just the bare bone cultists.

It's like, oh, yeah, fuck yeah, America.

Yeah, we're badass.

We got a lake and a Gulf.

It's fucking Trump.

Yeah, it's stupid, performative nonsense, which is by the way the same thing they would

attack Democrats for because we do lots of performative stuff that they make fun of us

for.

Nothing like that.

Nothing like that.

That's the concept of equipment.

I'm saying that's the stuff that they would attack us for that now they cheer for.

That's the point I'm making.

Not making it the same thing as what we do.

I think like for if you're if you're Tim Cook and your Apple and I'm not defending them

to be clear, I actually think they read the room pretty well and they know I don't

well, I think it's their barreling down in administration where there's two and a half

more years and they've got government contracts and other things that they need from the

Trump administration.

So they're going to cave.

But if you look at it right now, what's meta doing?

Meta is donating to both sides right now.

And I make this point all the time, particularly when I go on Newsmax or I do like a daily

wire show or something like that.

There's partisan politics and then there's something way beyond that because all these corporations,

all these billionaires in the Epstein class and everywhere else, they just play both sides

of the game.

And that's the problem is it's it feels rigged, but it actually is rigged.

And so the minute that Democrats take back the House and send it, the minute it's clear

that Democrats are going to win the presidential election in 2028, which I think is likely where

we're going, they're going to just suddenly go in and in and in and just start moving themselves

over and then they're going to be like, we've actually been with you the whole time.

And so right now they're trapped.

And the question for Democrats now is how will we use power to influence them the way that

Donald Trump influences Apple and all these other major corporations?

So all they care about is their shareholder value.

That's Tim Cook's job.

Like Tim Cook's job is to maximize shareholder value for people who own Apple stock.

That's the whole thing.

And maybe that's not the right way for them to think about it, but that's how they think

about it.

So if you're a Democratic president, how are you leveraging that to get the things that

you need from this class of people?

Because Donald Trump is proven that you can sort of block these people with these people

on a leash like walk them around.

So like we can do that too.

And the question is how do we do that to make sure we support American workers?

I also think we need to be breaking up concentrations of wealth and power in this country.

Because a lot of them in Apple, he's the need to be broken up in America today.

It's a big part of the reason workers getting screwed dealing with AI and robotics.

Like you mentioned, it's a huge issue.

So I think Democrats have to be prepared to use power that way.

Otherwise they're just going to like do it very performatively.

And then if we just go back to the way there was eight years from now when Nick Fuentes

is president, like we're going to be in a worse situation.

I want to push back on two points.

Number one, that Apple is trapped.

And I would add an adjective in front of that and say they are willfully trapped.

The people who have pushed back and not bent the knee on Trump have gone to court and won.

The people who have not capitulated have won.

And the other thing I would like to push back on is that Apple is good at reading the

room.

Apple CEO made up an award, made a trophy, waltzed into the Oval Office and presented it

to Donald Trump.

There's nothing about reading the room.

I would argue that does the perfect reading of the room because I understood that Donald

Trump is a is a little crybaby man, baby that wants an award to get whatever they want.

But I would argue that that's not reading the room of where your customer base is.

Right, but that's presuming that the customer base is actually the end Apple user and

not their shareholders.

That's the point that I'm making is Tim Cook wakes up in the morning and is like, to

max my shareholder value, which means I got to get these government contracts means I

got to keep the tax.

Which is why I want them to receive the message that what you were talking about about breaking

up concentration of what they need wealth, they need to be severely regulated.

They should not have that kind of access to a president.

A president should not have that kind of access to him.

If you look at the stark contrast between the way the executive of the city of New York

Zoron is running things, it's just not an option for a corporation to do any of this

ship because he's incorruptible.

The same with Bernie Sanders.

And so we have to really call out these corporations because they're playing a short term impulsive

game.

And Apple is big enough and it's too big to fail.

It's big enough to have set this one out.

They have agency and they have autonomy and they have willfully chosen to fund fascism.

A gay man that is the CEO of this company immediately paid the money and went and sat down

behind a man who used a bullshit imaginary thing.

These kids are going to school.

Their wainers get in liked off and they're coming home and the parents are like, oh my

God, what happened to our kid?

We need corporate leaders in the United States, especially a gay man like Tim Cook to stand

up and say, no, you used my community and lied about my community and our corporation

will be the resistance.

Absolutely not.

I'm not bending the name.

They've got enough money, a bank account that can choke a whole field full of bulls.

They have so much cash.

And this is willful on their part.

It is willful.

And in my mind, in the reckoning of all of this, it's unforgivable.

It's absolutely unforgivable.

I mean, I don't necessarily disagree with what you're saying because like, I mean, you're

right.

Like they are willful about that.

I'm just sort of trying to explain like where Tim Cook I think comes from because like

he loses his job if there's share price goes down too much and Donald Trump can is

currently manipulating the stock market right now to keep it high.

Like he can manipulate the stock market to put Apple in the ground probably.

And even again, like Apple shareholders and that class of people that own, you know,

the majority of Apple over the course of you know, all these different investment funds

and all these rich people, they're not going to tolerate that.

So if Tim Cook, I think in this environment, I'm not, again, I'm not just buying us

of people watching.

I'm not just playing it.

It's like, I think if Tim Cook, you know, goes, I'm not going to stand up for trans kids

and I'm going to go in the Oval Office.

I'm going to tell Donald Trump that he's wrong.

He's going to lose his job tomorrow.

And like we'll celebrate him and that will be great.

And then he's out of the job.

And so he's probably making an adjustment of like, all right, I can do more good by playing

this game here, which again, I'm not, I'm not saying it's the right thing to do.

I'm just saying that's how corporate America operates because it is all like and Robert

Reich talks about this all the time.

There is no stakeholder capitalism in America today, at least in big corporate America,

which is about delivering back for your employees and delivering back for your end users.

They're not thinking about that.

It is all about stakeholder value.

And once you lose sight of what you're actually doing this for, because like Apple was designed

for what?

Building products to help people improve their lives.

It's really what it is.

So we're going to help a small business owner be able to start their business in a garage.

We're going to help a student be able to do better in school.

We're going to build this technology.

They don't really do that anymore.

Like Apple's just a factory that just produces the same product for the last 20 years.

It's like a slightly different version of the iPhone.

So it, which is why, and same with Google, because Google did the same thing.

They changed the map too.

Yeah, which is why I think they need to be sent a message that, because the message is

going to be financial.

But if we wait by electing people, these, these non corporate Democrats that, that talk

about the problem and the exploitation of these corporations and how they want the Democrats

to service them, or they want the Republicans to service them, I think we need to continue

from this cycle through multiple cycles to send these corporations a message that we fundamentally

believe it's immoral.

That you, the CEO makes this much.

And the lowest person on the totem pole, the disparity in that is not sustainable.

And I just think we need to send them a message that deep regulations are coming.

I, I, I hope that they're coming.

I do.

I'm skeptical that they are.

And again, that's to what I said earlier is how are Democrats going to use the power they

gain in the midterms and in the presidential election in 2028?

And that's the answer is because again, Tim Cook, I think it's just, to me, it's like,

I'm very much a realist in this is Tim Cook's job is to care about shareholder value.

So if you are, if you are a president, John Ossoff in 2029 with a Democratic House, a

Democratic Senate, how are you using the fact that Tim Cook cares about shareholder value

to get the things that you want?

Because right now Donald Trump can manipulate these people in different ways.

He's manipulating them to get stupid shit, like changing the map to from Lake Ontario

to Lake America.

We can use that same power.

Like my, my sub stack is called endless urgency because I admire the way that they use

their power.

I hate what they use it for, but I admire it.

So the question is honestly, it's even less about the corporate Democrat versus non-corporate

Democrat because most Democrats don't take corporate back money anyway.

What is a real problem is institutionalism and preserving of those institutions because

a lot of them don't want to make difficult challenging decisions about the things we need

to do.

And there's a lot of talk of we should eliminate the filibuster and we should make DC

a state and we should make Puerto Rico state.

And I support those things.

I think that that's right.

But that's like one step of like a 5,000 step plan.

And like the boldness of the anti-corruption agenda we need to take on, the boldness of,

I think, like leveling the playing field for the average American is real.

And we need to go big and what I worry about is, and this was why I didn't support Hayley

Stevens in the Michigan primary by the way.

She had a conversation with, I may have talked to you about this last time.

My friend Mike Luxu who is a great progressive and has a sub stack.

People should subscribe because he's awesome.

He had a conversation with Hayley Stevens and she was trying to get his support and he's

like, so what are you going to do when you got elected?

She goes, well, I think this isn't a time for big change.

This is a time for us to like small things.

Oh, yeah.

And to me, because like, McMarrow was out of the race and I was like, I don't really

have a dog here and I don't live in Michigan, so who cares?

But I was like, I am absolutely not going to support somebody that's just like going

to like, do a little lay up there.

Like we can't like tinkering around the edges of the Affordable Care Act.

We can't just like make little changes.

People aren't feeling them and they're going to get mad at us.

They want us to go big.

I agree.

We're the party of the New Deal.

We're the party of the great society.

We're the party that class civil rights sex.

Just I think, I mean, one thing I want my candidate's talking about is accountability

from the people that funded fascism.

Accountability from these corporations.

What does the account of what does that accountability look like?

Are you going to ask Tim Cook to take a pay cut and pay it out to the American people?

Like I think it's again, I think the point that I'm making is just from like a realist

perspective is like, just figure out what the fuck they care about and let's just manipulate

that because that's what Trump is doing.

But but everything is always centering the needs of the the wealthy and the needs of the

patriarchy.

When we look at what Zoraan is doing, he is all gas, no breaks on fundamental reforms.

And he put Lena Khan in his, it's sent a signal that we are not servicing you.

What's interesting about the ways Zoraan is governing is if you are following pretty closely,

he is taking away a lot of red tape and making it small business owners to get going.

And I just think there's always this default setting on the democratic side too that we

have to defer and prioritize the rich white man first.

Then, okay, then we can get done here.

And I think we have to have a political party more FDR oriented, more Zoraan oriented,

where we prioritize the worker, where we prioritize the majority instead of the where Tim

Cook and all of these other people realize, oh, they don't really care.

I'm not going to be able to do anything here because they're going to, you know, they're

going to regulate me.

I'm going to, we're going to have to start paying a shit ton of taxes as they should.

Right.

I'm paying their share.

And changing the culture of this tendency that happens in America all the time and we all

do it without thinking about it where it's like, oh, let's make sure the business man

are okay first.

And it comes from the propaganda of the Republican party that wealth trickles down.

And we have to make these people at the top so happy.

And I think we're seeing right now in a really, really big city, New York, we're seeing

a person who is centering the worker first, crimes down real estate sales are up despite

the pediatric tax luxury real estate sales are up.

I don't think the tax has taken effect yet, right?

But just I was saying, not that I'm against it.

I'm not.

But it luxury sales are up in Manhattan.

And so I just think it's really interesting that we can go bold.

We're seeing it happen.

We can see where he's reminding us that government is we're not supposed to be mad at the government.

They're supposed to be providing services for us.

And I just I just push back against the instinct that we have to keep the business man happy

and their stockholders happy.

I'm not.

No, but I'm not I'm not saying that the Democratic party should be trying to keep stockholders

happy and keeping Tim Cook.

Okay.

I'm saying that's what Tim Cook cares about.

Like that's his job.

We can acknowledge that and manipulate that the same way the Trump is.

That's all that I'm saying.

You can manipulate that to help workers.

That's that's the point that I'm making.

I agree with that.

I'll push back a little bit on on on Mamdani for a second.

I think he's doing a great job.

But I think the reason that Mamdani's doing a great job is actually because he's just doing

basic good governance.

They're on TV going.

They're on TV going.

So Ron Mamdani is a communist.

He's he's the streets are running red with blood and everything's terrible.

Mamdani's on camera being like, I've made it easier for you to open a nice cook shop.

Like that's what it is.

And honestly, like I compared to to my mayor of Brandon Johnson who frankly, I don't think

is a particularly good mayor.

And he's about to announce his reelection campaign.

I think he's probably going to lose that reelection campaign with my guess.

And I feel like he spends so much time on like these big bold ideas that he has.

He can't actually implement.

And I'm just like, can you just fix a pothole?

Like the advantage that a democratic mayor any mayor has is you can actually do something

that people can see and feel in a way that a president frankly can't in the same way

or a member of Congress certainly can't.

But that's fix a pothole.

Keep my keep my streets clean.

Make sure that the neighborhood pool there was a neighborhood pool down the street for

me that like was not open and not full forever, which was terrible for the kids.

My older man got it fixed, right?

And that's that's the kind of stuff you can do in city government.

That's like harder to do at the federal level.

But I think the one of the biggest divides of the democratic party by the way, I don't

even think is about like moderate versus versus socialist or even like the age gap stuff,

which I do think is real.

But it's a little bit yesterday sort of like a bit of a narrative buster with Marke

winning a big against Seth Moulton, which I think was the right decision.

And I did a little bit of work for Marke is responsiveness to the people is like who's

actually responsive to their constituents right now.

And that's what Mumbani's doing while it's like what are your problems right now?

How can I solve them right now?

He's got that down and like it doesn't mean he's not pursuing his bigger ideas like the

grocery store and the buses and stuff.

But like he's loving he's nailing it on like basic stuff.

And when you don't have to take all those calls from rich people, you should do have a lot

more time to service jumping pools and hang out with the majority.

Right. You know, when you're not so busy doing all these back, back room deals and when

you can actually govern transparently, openly, it is tangible and people feel it.

And can I have one more thing to is like one of the things I think DSA has been really smart

about in their organizing strategy is doing the mutual aid through the campaigns.

What Katya Bukazal is doing right now in Chicago with her organization Kapau, which came out

of her house race is really smart, both because it's one just the right thing to do,

like helping support people who need it in the neighborhood, but also because you're

signaling that I care about you.

And people will trust you if you handle the basic core competencies of supporting individual

people.

My not where I live now, but before I moved in our new home, we were in the 40th ward in

Chicago and there's a great alderman named Andre Vazquez who I think in my opinion is

the closest thing that Chicago has to a mom Donnie actually had to launch with them the other

day.

And he's DSA.

He's further to the left than me on a number of different issues.

But man, if I needed my alderman to do something, he did it.

Just to give you an example, I lived there during the pandemic and I delivered Vazquez with

the guy that people that were shut in and couldn't get it.

He was always there.

And most alderman, or at least a lot of alderman don't do stuff like that.

And I think more politicians need to get out in their community and be responsive to

their community.

And then they'll trust you on the rest of that stuff.

So even if you're further to the left, Andre's probably a little bit more to the left

than the district that he represents.

People just trust him because he does the work.

And they go, all right, you can go to city hall and handle that stuff.

We'll trust you.

And I think that's what matters.

And Johnny's doing that.

And so people will trust Mamdani on the other stuff.

Democrats need to learn that lesson.

And the way we run our campaigns and the quote on establishment wing of the party, which

I would not consider myself in that wing.

I just sort of have one foot in both worlds, is stop running your campaign like a startup

that just like exists for a year and then you shut it down.

Like be engaged in your community and build something meaningful and people will trust you.

And I think that's what the USA does.

Does better than any other group in the country right now.

I totally agree with that.

I think that was one of the errors of Joe Biden.

Once he got in, he governed and he had 50 years of experience in how to do it.

But there was hardly ever any victory laps on good things that they passed.

And in fact, a lot of the people on the Infrastructure Act were Republicans that voted against it.

They were out, you know, taking for all of it.

Yeah, taking credit.

But okay, go follow Mike Nellis, sub-stack YouTube YouTube YouTube podcast, Instagram, all

the stuff.

Mike, NEL, I ask if on Mike, I appreciate it.

I appreciate your pragmatism.

I just want a reckoning.

I know you do.

I appreciate the company.

I appreciate the company.

People are going to get mad at me.

But I want the record to do.

I think it's really, I think these are healthy, good conversations.

I really do.

Because we want what's best for our country and best for the majority of people in our

country.

And we want to be a lot of Republicans in the fall.

And to stop arguing about a son, Pike, or every goddamn day.

I'm telling you, it's so ridiculous.

It's so stupid.

So stupid.

All right.

Bye.