Trophy vs Medal

Hello, I'm Hal Ublin, and I'm Mark Gagleyarty.

Since the dawn of humanity, one issue has gone unsettled,

with the fate of the world in the balance.

We're here to settle once and for all.

Trophy versus meadow.

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Podcasts should have a beat song.

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Yes, they should. No, they shouldn't.

They sound good.

Yeah, but people are just going to skip past it.

You know what?

You're right.

We got this.

Hal, it's both Olympic season and award season.

One gives out trophies.

One gives out medals.

So what better time of year to talk about

medals versus trophies?

What kind of medals and trophies did you get grown up?

I got a ribbon or participating in a horse thing.

Get the Willow Grove day camp.

And I maintained I could have made the horse go faster,

but I had short legs and they had too many blankets under the saddle.

So I couldn't, you know, I was trying to, you know,

you don't dig in your own mind where it spurs or anything,

but that's how you tell the horse like, hey, speed it up a little bit.

Your heels in there.

And I couldn't do it.

All I was getting was because I was hitting blankets.

And how old were you?

11.

Okay, so at 11,

your legs are not long enough.

Yeah, to hit the horse anywhere that's going to make him go,

oh, this person's serious.

Yeah, my height now, no problem.

My height then, yeah, I wasn't even five foot yet.

I couldn't, those weren't legs for horse speeding.

What did the ribbon look like?

It's like a yellow like ribbon, like a low prize ribbon.

So it's got the like flower bursts sort of at the top

and then the two to your ribbon coming to the bottom.

And then in the like the ribbon, it says like whatever horse thing,

I don't know what it said.

80th place, let's say there weren't that many kids.

And then there's a button in the middle that has a horse on it.

But it almost looks like you could put it on the coffin of a horse

at a funeral.

It looks like that too.

Like in loving memory of this horse that you rode that lost

and is now becoming pet food and glue.

Yeah.

And the casket is just draped in all of those blankets.

Yeah, I can't even save my respect

to the horse because the blankets are the way.

I'm not going to get this rose onto the top of that horse box.

Yeah, keeps falling.

That's what the horse box is rejecting my rose.

Oh,

step aside of the bachelor ever.

I always liked as a kid.

I got because I played soccer for a year.

And I played basketball for all of these for work for one season.

I did not play a sport longer.

And actually football I played for two seasons.

And I was like seven and eight.

Okay.

But I always liked the trophies for those

because I like a trophy where it's got the person

on the top doing the thing that the trophy is for.

Like my soccer trophy was a little soccer man kicking a ball.

And then my basketball trophy was a little basketball man shooting.

It looked like a free throw.

And then my football trophy was a little football man passing.

So I like a trophy that's like a reminder of here's what you did.

I like those.

I think they're great.

I never won one, always wanted one.

Oh, I never won one.

Everybody on the team got one.

I didn't get one though.

And I was on a team, a youth soccer team

where we won back-to-back championships and we got plaques.

Oh, plaques.

You even make the list.

This is trophy versus metal because plaques wasn't on the list.

The list wants to plaque.

I will show you the only trophy I've received.

Hold on, we'll get it right now.

Oh, this is exciting.

This is the only trophy.

How has ever received?

He's stepped away from his desk.

People of the world.

I have no idea what he's going to return with.

I'm going to guess whatever it is.

It's going to be one of those winged lady ones.

That's my guess.

I forgot.

I have two.

You have two trophies, huh?

Here's one.

This is stellar employee at work.

Oh, hey, good job.

There's a glass at the top of the list with a star on it.

And what this came with was a really great parking space at our office.

Do you want to know when I want it?

When did you win it?

February of 2020.

Hey, happy sixth anniversary of your victory.

No, think about how long you would get to use a parking space.

In February of 2020, late February of 2020.

If you really were intent on going to the office,

you could park in any space at that point.

I imagine everything shuts down.

Yeah, no, I knew where you were going with that.

But so it never got to use it really got to use it a couple of times.

When they froze the whole office,

they didn't freeze the parking spot thing.

No.

All right, how's going to get this for a year

whenever we come back from this pandemic?

They moved offices during that time.

So you said that spot, but you had to Uber to work from there.

Yes, right.

This is the other one.

What does this say?

This says how level is true talent?

Hollywood knows so do you bow down.

Do you want to know the story behind this?

A hundred percent.

Do you know who this is from?

Have I ever told you about this?

No, no.

So the last season of, no,

the first season of venture brothers that we worked on.

I got submitted for Emmy consideration.

For Wide Whale?

For Wide Whale.

Go back, listen, people.

Season six of venture bros.

How's the big bad?

Yes, this is the big bad.

You're my right hand man.

That's right.

And we played a bunch of other characters,

but I got submitted for Emmy consideration.

And when you get submitted for Emmy consideration,

in almost any other category,

you're listed on the website.

Voice over, you are not.

The way it works, I found out is they have like a panel of people

who go into a room, listen to every,

all of the considered people.

And then they do like a heads down,

you know, like a blind ballot vote.

And that's tabulated to determine who the final nominees are.

I was not nominated that year.

I don't think anybody knew was because it's very small pool.

People, same people get nominated over and over again.

Well, it's just an honor to be considered.

It was an honor to be considered.

And what I really wanted more than anything

was just documentation that it had happened.

Like, just give me some documentation.

And I asked everybody I knew who had some sort of either,

I thought was a member of the academy

or had been nominated themselves.

Like, do you get anything?

Like, even just a piece of paper

from the academy saying it happened.

I don't know if it'll ever happen again.

Like, you don't know.

It's, there are a lot of people who do great work

that never gets recognized.

Sure.

So, pageant, Brewster,

order this from Senate to me,

so I would have an award.

That is very sweet.

Which is very sweet.

For those who cannot see this award,

it is one of those that looks like an Oscar

but is holding something different.

Usually, it's a real laurel.

A laurel, you can see.

I like that it's,

that's become the go-to trophy shape,

I think, is the little Oscar man

who has something besides a sword,

a little star,

a little laurel wreath.

I think I had one of those.

It was a very tiny one and it was like,

best dad or something,

like, and they had covered it up

and written something on it as a joke.

But I do like that particular trophy.

That one is,

can you hold it up one more time?

I'm going to read that again.

Sure.

I love the, I love the inscription she put on it.

How Lublin true talent.

Hollywood knows.

So do you.

I'm sorry.

Hey, Lublin, true talent.

Hollywood knows.

So do you bow down?

That's right, people.

It's very sweet.

And it is a reminder that friendship

and that's more important than any

award you could receive.

Can I tell you that the best trophy,

I think, would be, yeah, would be,

once I get to that point,

I am really going to gun for best dad.

I want the mug.

I want the whatever the version of the trophy is.

That's what I want.

Oh, did I get the mug this year?

Great.

I won.

Nobody else.

Did I give it a speech?

If my future hypothetical kid

gives the best dad mug to someone else,

I'm so upset.

Yeah.

So we've talked a little bit about trophies.

Metals, did you ever, were you ever a metals guy?

I'll tell you one that I got.

No, what?

Tell me.

I got one after I did the podcast super ego

with some of my buddies that I used to work at Disney with

and with Paul Atomkin's, of course.

Yeah.

Everybody was getting medals at the end of the season.

And I got a medal.

I was very excited.

It's got the red, white and blue ribbon on it.

And it's a medal.

And it was number one for brains.

Because it turns out if you go into a trophy shop,

you can have anything you want written on a medal.

That's fantastic.

And when Mark McConville figured that out,

that was game over.

Yeah.

Then guess what, everybody got medals that year.

We're talking about medals versus trophies.

Metals are a thing.

They both go back to ancient times.

I did not, I just assumed like,

you kind of have a choice.

Metal or trophy, right?

That's, if you're giving out an award,

you can kind of pick between a few different things.

As long as it's not plaque,

you can pick between any of these few things.

But I was surprised to find out

that they kind of have different categories

that each of them cover.

Trophies specifically come from the Greek Tropeon.

And we're given away at the original Olympic Games in 776 BC.

So trophies have always been a thing for sports.

As opposed to medals, which came from ancient Rome,

one's ancient Greek, one's ancient Roman.

Metals came from ancient Rome.

And those were for military achievements.

So non-sports achievements and other achievements

within civic life.

You would get a medal for that,

which is usually much bigger than a medal at the Olympics now

and frequently featured a bust of whoever

the current Caesar of the time was.

Okay.

That's the difference between the medal and the trophy.

Sports tend to get more trophies.

Academia gets more medals.

I hear I'll go through a few actually with you.

Trophies, you got the FIFA World Cup,

the Stanley Cup, Wimbledon trophy, America's Cup,

the Lombardi trophy, the Larry O'Brien championship trophy.

The MLB, I don't know what the MLB trophy is called.

The one with all the little dependence in a circle.

I think it's just called the World Series trophy.

World Series trophy.

I don't not sure who it's named for.

Gotcha.

Oh, it's called the commissioners trophy.

There you go.

There you go.

All of these trophies, all for sports.

All various cups count to like the rider cup.

That's I think yeah, a rider cup.

So then yeah, the trophy is yeah, the cups count as trophies.

Here's when I think trophies have going for him.

First of all, you got more variety in the shapes, right?

Sure.

You can get a little Oscar man holding a wreath.

You can get a little Oscar man holding the sword.

You can get like you have the glass trophy with the star on top,

which at first when you held it up, I thought it was a cable lace award.

I was like, when did you win a cable lace award?

I wish.

Those weren't glass.

Were they went, wasn't it like a little ace?

Like a little, like a spade, like a playing card spade on a black?

I thought that was the people's choice award.

Am I confusing the cable lace awards and the people's choice awards?

Maybe.

You also could be right.

Huh.

Maybe it happens every once in a while.

The variety of shapes in a trophy is nice.

There's also something cool about the singularity of some of these trophies.

You don't even mean like if you win a trophy at some sort of competition,

a trophy you get to take home, put in your trophy case, right?

Yeah, but these big ones, there's only one.

I kind of love that.

Like you're going to win the Stanley Cup,

but you get to keep, you are not the owner of a Stanley Cup.

You are the steward of the Stanley Cup until next season

when another team gets to keep that trophy.

I think the singularity of some of these

gives them a really heightened value.

You know, they make a big pomp and circumstance out of it,

put it on a pedestal, surround it with smoke and lasers and lights

and have people bring it in in a locked case.

The chain of custody has gone unbroken.

It's really endowed with these sort of magical properties.

Yeah, and they have to retire rings off of the cup.

So it doesn't have every single winner ever of the Stanley Cup, at least,

because they believe, yeah, they engrave all the winners.

Wait, how do they unengrave the winners, then?

You say those days, you can remove the rings

and they get put elsewhere.

I forget where they're stored.

Oh, okay.

Yeah, so you have all nice.

It is a living history of its sport, which is pretty cool.

Yeah, I like that, which not every trophy is.

Like the Lombardi trophy, you get to keep.

Oh, that's not one trophy that like each year

has a different Lombardi trophy.

Yeah, so the Eagles have a Lombardi trophy.

They have two Lombardi trophies either in their practice

facility or at the stadium under glass somewhere.

So you can, you know, you always have that reminder.

And then I think World Series trophies,

you get to keep those as well.

Oh, yeah, because they give you a replica.

It's one of those.

Oh, that makes sense.

Because the Dodgers have theirs under, you know,

in like a very specific place.

It's, you know, lit and glass and guard and rope

and all the different ones.

Not the prior year, because they've won two and a half.

We have so many now.

There are two.

You have a ton of them, not as many as the Yankees,

but you got a lot.

We're getting there.

We'll get there.

We'll get there.

Yeah, you got to probably for the next,

if we get a get probably another three, four until they strike

because of that, because of your team.

There's something you win another championship

and then baseball will go away for a while.

And it needs to, they've got to fix,

they've reached the right inflection point to make a change.

Something has to for the salary.

You think a salary caps in order?

I think a salary floor is in order as well.

There has to be something, because this is,

it's getting ridiculous.

Yeah, nobody should have paid $750 million

for Juan Soto when Shohei O'Connie went for less.

Is that what you mean, right?

The Dodgers should be the most expensive players.

I don't know.

I don't know how much of that money Juan Soto's gotten so far.

Well, but that's the problem.

Right.

This is a separate conversation.

This is another, it's not an episode of the show.

No one, no one looks into this will care.

Yeah, very terrible.

But we should point out another trophy

can, I think probably broke a couple of fingers

typing this in, is the Gonzo Quiz Show at DragonCon.

That's right.

The winning team gets trophies,

and you do two of them in a weekend,

which means you could win twice.

And if you overpack your suitcase,

all of a sudden you have two not small

original series Captain Kirk busts that are banks

that have been spray painted gold

sometimes twice before DragonCon.

And then when it is, Ken will hand you

your victory trophy with slightly gold fingers.

And then when you receive the trophy,

you will have slightly gold fingers

and be like, I did it this afternoon.

But I will say that is a coveted trophy.

The spray painted Star Trek bank.

I have one of mine.

I do like a homemade trophy too.

There's something great about a homemade trophy.

I have one.

I've given every other one away.

I give it away.

I know it.

I give away then to somebody in the audience

because I know that will be a special thing for them.

Yeah.

I will remember the experience is the trophy for me.

And then the trophy is the trophy for someone else.

And I kept one just too as a reminder of it.

So I can look at it and it makes me smile

because I remember all of the times I've done it.

Yeah.

I wouldn't know which one is which.

Mm-hmm.

You know, I have one from my first one.

Okay.

I've got my first trophy,

which is Captain Kirk with a phaser.

Yeah, looking at it right now.

Yeah.

And then I think it was the second year.

I think you shamed me into giving away my enterprise.

Yeah.

Because you were like, oh, I always give them away

to someone who came to see the show.

Oh, I don't think I said it like that.

I think I say I always give them away

to someone who's come to see the show

because I can't pack and take it with me.

I cannot do, I cannot have another one.

Because at the time, you know,

I was living in a one bedroom, one bath apartment.

So I had no, didn't have space for a bunch.

I had a lot of stuff that just sat in boxes.

And now that I have my own space,

I still have boxes full stuff in my closet

that I need to either keep or trash at some point.

Or have a big sweepstakes.

There you go.

And sweepstakes.

We got these sweepstakes.

Auctioned.

Ooh.

Yeah, I love a homemade trophy.

We used to have one when I was in college.

We would do the Itkin Awards,

named after Dr. Bella Itkin.

And it was always a can of tab

because all she drank was tab.

Somehow, at the end of the 20th century,

beginning of the 21st, she was still finding tab,

but she would have a can of tab all the time.

So it was a can of tab with little sunglasses on it.

That was the Itkin Award.

A anthropomorphized can of tab.

This is the one that danced.

When you played music, you would go like,

Oh, right.

The one that's like, it looks like a can,

but it's, yeah, it does a little hip swivel

on whatever cans have for hips.

There's something fun about just,

especially like award season trophies.

You know what I mean?

There's a beauty in those.

I live down the street from the television academy

and there's a giant Emmy in a fountain,

just a couple of blocks from here.

It's beautiful.

It's a beautiful trophy.

So what are some of the other benefits of trophies

besides unique shapes, singularity of some of them,

the homatedness of many of them?

I bet I think those are the benefits.

I'm just trying to, what more would you need?

I mean, I don't know.

How important is the trophy itself

versus the knowledge of the victory?

I don't know.

Would you rather know you did a good job in a movie

or went an Oscar for a movie?

Or would you, would I, I think the,

the correlation, the correlation question would be,

if I won an Oscar for best actor,

well, let's come on.

Let's, let's be more realistic, best supporting actor.

If I won an Oscar for best supporting actor

and it was, is it the trophy itself

that is the coveted thing

or is it the global knowledge and written in stone

or in the case of the Dolby Theater etched in glass

that I have won this, the knowledge of winning it,

the plaque of it all, this are the

non-tangible place in the history books.

Would it mean as much if you got all that

but you didn't get the statue?

I think it would mean as much

but I wouldn't be reminded of it as much.

No, because you don't go to Hollywood and Highland a lot.

I don't go to Hollywood and Highland a lot.

No, I do, they have a Dave and Busters, which is nice.

I do like going to Dave and Busters.

Sure.

Yeah, I do. I think I like that trophy, though.

Yeah, I want to have that trophy.

I worked on a documentary once

and I got to go to Lou Scottsett Jr's house

who no longer with us,

but went there to record some voice over with him.

Cool.

And in his living room was a shelf

with all of the awards he'd won,

including his Oscar.

And it was really for officer and a gentleman.

Yes, yeah.

I'm the best supporting actor for officer and a gentleman.

And it was really cool to imagine.

Like I just wanted to hold it to pretend like I want it.

So that's the excitement.

Yeah, I think there's something to ask for.

Is something to ask for?

What's that?

Did you hold his Oscar?

No, no, of course not.

And nor did I ask if I could.

Hey, Lou, real quick.

Yeah, Gus.

Hey, Gus.

It's right, Jr.

Jr.

Well, hold your Oscar.

Yeah, it was just cool to see one.

Yeah, just out.

I got to hold Richard Sherman's Oscar.

That's amazing.

Win over to his house once.

They're very heavy.

Yeah.

And he was like, you want to hold the Oscar?

I was like, yeah, man, I want to hold the Oscar.

It's really exciting.

One of his Mary Poppins Oscars is very cool.

Amazing.

Yeah.

Well, you hold that thought while Mark thinks

about holding that Oscar.

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All right, Hal, we've talked trophies.

Let's talk medals.

Yeah.

You know who loves medals more than anybody?

Chewbacca.

Well, he got his medal in the last movie.

Yeah.

He finally got his medal.

Oh, finally got his medal.

That is kind of BS that everybody else got a medal except him.

Yeah.

That scene at the end of Star Wars is a throwback

to the Roman Empire aesthetic of you come back

from a big military victory and you are awarded a medal.

I think one thing about the medal that we see in that scene

as they are placed around the necks of our heroes,

you can wear a medal.

You can't wear a trophy unless you're flavor-flave.

You can wear a medal.

And even then you're wearing it as a medal.

Yeah, that's true.

You are wearing it and you have turned a trophy

into a medal by doing that.

You can't drink out of a medal

the way you can drink out of a trophy

but you can't wear a trophy the same way you can wear a medal.

You can eat very small bites off of a medal,

depending on which one.

Like the Olympic medal's a pretty big.

Yeah, I like the variety of Olympic medals.

There have been some clunkers in the past.

Sure, they're not all that you guys went with.

What was the one that kept breaking?

Was it 98?

I think it was 98.

There was like famously a bunch of the medals

like somebody would drop their medal in the whole top

like thing where it connects to the ribbon would just snap off.

There was one of the women's skaters this year for the US

had her medal break.

I mean, where it snapped off at the ribbon.

The next day they wrote her, they're like,

me, that's in the lobby, we have a replacement for you.

So, and, you know, nothing's perfect.

Pobody's perfect.

Ridiculous.

No regards.

So the medal, it does take away a little bit

of the specialness of the medal if they're like,

oh, that one broke, we just got another.

We'll swap it out for another.

Meanwhile, the Stanley Cup is one piece of history

that has, like you said, its entire history etched on it.

This is, oh, your medal broke, let's grab you another.

But I do love the artwork that you can get on a medal.

Like some of the Nobel Prizes are beautiful.

Some of the, the ones that look like big coins

with beautiful relief images on them.

I'll give you some of the famous medals

that we've got, both military and otherwise.

You've got the Medal of Honor,

United States Highest Military Decoration.

The Victoria Cross, the British equivalent,

Legion of Honor, France's equivalent.

And then, of course, the biggest, the Olympics, right?

You got the Olympic Gold Silver and Bronze medals.

You've got the Nobel Prizes.

More of a medallion, there's not a ribbon

that you can hang it around your neck.

The Fields Medal for Math,

the Congressional Gold Medal, Highest Civilian Honor,

the Pritzker Architectural Prize,

the National Medal of Science,

the Iron Cross and the Order of Canada.

So mostly military, some civic and academic.

Are trophies for Jackson medals or for nerds?

Jackson artists.

Jackson artists.

Yeah.

Although Nobel Prizes for Literature,

so everybody gets everything, but trophies buy,

and then also medals are for sports, the Olympics.

Yeah, that's true.

Those are the, when you think of people receiving medals,

that's probably what most people think of first.

No, I think of that for brains medal.

Well, you do, because you received it.

I have not received such a medal.

So I think of the Olympics.

Yeah, I do think of the Olympics too.

What's with the biting, the medals?

Do they still do that?

Yeah.

Is that a bit that people still do?

I think it's a way to show it's real.

You know, how you would test the medal,

but I think now it's more of a, it's a bit.

It's a play on that.

I don't think they're actually testing it to make sure.

No, that it's authentic.

Make sure that it's delicious chocolate.

Yeah, exactly.

I do love a medal.

For some reason though, that I don't know why medals

come in in second place in my brain.

Just because when I would do like debate competitions

and things in high school,

the first place got a trophy,

second and third place got a medal.

And maybe that's just a cost thing.

You know what I mean?

Maybe I've not heard of that, but I have two medals

hanging behind me.

Let's see if I can, you can see them.

I can see, I see it.

Was that from a 10K?

They're both from five case.

Five case.

So yes, collectively they are from a 10K.

And I think I'm missing one.

So there may be, oh no, there are three back there.

Here's what I like about medals too.

For trophies, you need more space

and potentially a shell for a table.

For medals, you just need a hook.

That's true.

You know, yeah, much more portable.

Though I don't know what situations

you would need your medals to be on you.

It's a little much of somebody wins a medal.

Like if you want a gold at the Olympics,

how many days would you want for round wearing it?

Zero.

Oh, I'd be afraid of losing it.

You don't think you would get back to the Olympic village

and then for the next like day or so,

once your event's done, you'd be like, oh hey guys.

I mean, sorry, but I'm not going to sit down

this thing so heavy.

I'm not going grocery shopping with it.

Oh, if I had to go grocery shopping that day,

you bet I would.

Right after you win.

Yeah, straight from the podium to all these.

Here's the thing, I need my low carb tortillas.

Right, right, right.

If I got to get them, I got to get them.

Right, the next Olympic is less than four years away.

You got to get started.

Yeah, I have by four years worth of groceries.

I can only go to the grocery store in my medal now.

Yeah, huh.

What are you thinking?

I think it's trophies.

You think it's trophies?

Well, okay, what do you think?

What do you think it's trophies?

I think there are more iconic trophies

and I would personally also like that feeling

of winning a trophy just to me is,

I don't know, there's something about it

that all awards can be aspirational,

whatever form that they come in.

If it inspires someone to do their best

in the same field or a different field,

that's the real win, right?

Is the knowledge that you achieved something

to have reached the zenith of whatever your field is.

Yeah.

And then know that hopefully there's someone there

who's seeing what you're doing

and it's inspiring them to do the same thing

or follow their dream.

That is the best.

But I would love to.

When I was up for Emmy consideration,

I knew there was almost no chance

that I was gonna be a nominee, but it wasn't zero.

Yeah.

And if I had become a nominee,

the chance of winning it wasn't zero.

And the thought of getting to hold that up

and give a speech and like that's really exciting.

You also get to give more speeches, I feel like,

with trophies then with medals.

Yeah.

Yeah, with the national anthem at the Olympics.

You don't talk on the podium,

they just play your national anthem.

They immediately play you off

before you even have a chance to talk

you're being played off by the Star Spangled Banner.

That's right.

Yeah, you're all done.

Yeah, there's something,

I think for variety, for prestige,

it's a weird thing to say for prestige

because they're all like pretty sure that, you know,

the Nickelodeon Kids Choice Award for Best Action Scene,

while a trophy is not necessarily more prestige

just than a Nobel Prize.

But generally speaking, there is a lot of prestige in a trophy

and a medal as I found out in high school debate

was for second and third place.

Well, then I think we have it.

Yeah, I think we might.

People of the world, you collectively share a trophy

for being the best podcast audience.

So you can share that trophy,

pass it around to one another, you each get it

for one full day.

Is there 365 of you that listen to the show?

Sometimes 366.

Ooh, every four years.

Every four years, someone joins in to listen.

Yeah, trophies are the best.

Metals are great, trophies are better.

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