Tipp City Murder /// Part 2 /// 911

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We left off on the timeline here, midday Tuesday, February 17th.

Remember, sadly Ashley Flynn was found dead having been murdered shot in her home

in the early morning hours, just the day before, one day prior,

and that was Monday, February 16th.

At noon on Tuesday, February 17th, the tip city police chief Greg

Atkins issued the third, what would be the third press release in this investigation.

And he announced the addition of BCI, the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation,

the FBI, Miami County Sheriff's Office, and Miami County Prosecutors Office,

would be assisting, we're currently assisting as of that announcement,

the tip city police department in that ongoing investigation.

A little bit later that day, the chief did give a brief interview with the date and

daily news regarding the investigation.

This brings us Captain to Wednesday, February 18th, 1030 AM,

the tip city police remained at the Flynn House around the clock.

Investigators were seeing going in and out of that side door that was referenced in the

911 call and also referenced in the police report, the side door to the garage on the north side

of the house, as well as going in and out of the front door, of course.

At one point, investigators brought out an interior door and placed it in the back of a pickup truck

parked on the driveway and inside the yellow police tape, presumably this door was removed and

taken in for and to be analyzed or test for whatever reason in this investigation.

I said in part one that I wanted to circle back to the gun and one part of this is the gun missing.

Do they have the gun and we're talking about, we could be talking about one gun, we could be

talking about two guns, right? One, the murder weapon to the gun that Caleb said was often

usually stored in the console of his 2024 Ford pickup truck, which was found parked inside

the Holmes garage. There's been no mention of if Caleb's gun has been recovered,

there's been no mention if the murder weapon has been recovered, there's also been no mention

if they are one in the same, which is what everybody's got to be thinking about. One thing that

I found incredibly intriguing and it also might point to the idea that they have not recovered the

gun here, Captain, is at some point, you know, talking about investigators at the scene,

using every resource they can to hopefully collect evidence and sort out exactly what happened,

get to the truth of what happened in the early morning hours of Monday, February 16th,

that they were seen lifting the shed that's located in the backyard of this property.

And it's obviously one's mind would go to, are they lifting the shed thinking that maybe the

gun could potentially have been thrown under there, kicked under there somehow and just making

sure that it is not, or did they recover any kind of evidence when they did lift this shed?

Yeah, and because this case is so early on, the cops are obviously going to keep a lot

of information close to the vest because at some point, you have to go from husband calls about

somebody breaking in their house and killing his wife to, we don't think anybody broke in and

we're now looking into the, into the husband. And so I don't know if that's information that

they feel like they got or didn't get from the 911 call. Again, they have extensive,

because they're talking to him at the scene. And then like you said, they brought him in for questioning

and at what point do they go, this is just not adding up. But just because something's not adding

up doesn't mean you're going to have enough evidence to arrest him.

Well, and this wouldn't be a 100% sign sealed delivered confirmation that he is the killer,

but I would be curious if they tested the husband for GSR on his hands, fingers, forearms.

If there would be any type of gun powder residue, gunshot residue.

Well, that makes a lot of sense too, because well, we believe that the murder weapon is a handgun,

right? But we have a distance. You were saying in episode one, this is not a situation where

the killer goes up on the side of the bed and points the gun directly to the victim's head.

If she were sleeping at the time that she was shot, and if she's lying in a typical position,

then there would be some distance between the end of that barrel and the victim.

Right. And why would you do that? So you don't get blood on you. But also, and again,

I'm just, this is just my thoughts out loud to find the investigator. Well, if the killer is the

husband, then even if he got anything on him, he could take a shower. But I think some of these

ballistic tests, you know, we've seen cases where people have showered afterwards and they still

find some kind of evidence on them. So I wonder if they were able to, during the questioning,

are they able to, like you said, run some tests? I mean, if you can say his gun's missing,

and we can positively tell you that he fired a gun that day, and he didn't tell you any time

within the questioning about going to a firing range. And even if he did so, well, guess what?

There's going to be receipts. So unless there's some receipts of him doing that, then that

evidence would be pretty damning against Caleb. Yeah, curious to see what kind of gun

GSR evidence they may have, also some blood evidence that they may or may not have. And again,

this is just typical stuff that the local media is picking up on of watching the detectives,

watching the crime scene analyst and people processing that crime scene and what they are removing

from the crime scene and what they tend to be spending a good amount of time on while they're

there. On Wednesday, February 18th, just before noon, this is the community pulling together and

showing a display of affection and sadness for the family and for Ashley Flynn in particular.

There was a colorful display of red and white ribbons that were placed along Main Street and Tip

City's historic downtown district honoring Ashley Flynn, residents that knew her, called Flynn

an excellent teacher and a sweet woman. Others said that they were concerned about the shooting,

but confident in the police investigation. We did have early on the police chief stating that

they believed that they had reason to believe that this was a targeted attack. And I always

look at that with a bit of a side eye because I feel like that statement is used a lot. I'm not

saying that's the situation here that it's overly used, but oftentimes you will see that sometimes

it's even a rush to use that statement to imply that there is no threat to other folks in the community.

That this was a targeted attack, but until we have reason to call that into question, we should

take that at face value. Late that evening, late that night actually on Wednesday, February 18th,

chief Greg Atkins issued a press release to dispel rumors circulating that a suspect is in custody

or was in custody at that time. Right. The rumors locally were that somebody had confessed.

And so he said very bluntly, the release and spread of unverified information is not only untrue,

but also deeply detrimental to the Flynn family and unfair to those involved in the investigation.

Yeah, but we've seen a lot of crimes happen in small towns and people confess to the crimes.

It makes zero sense to me. It's always made zero sense to me, but we see that in several cases.

So it's not unreasonable that somebody came forward, even if they're not responsible, but like I

was saying in part one, it seems like his family and friends. And I, and I, again, this is because

it's so early, you don't know exactly what Ashley's friends and families were saying, but they share

a church community. So it's just so many of these people going, and I think people even noticed in

like some of the GoFundMe post or some of the other comments on like news clips where it seemed

like people from tip city were like, this had to be a break in possibly a targeted attack, but who

would want Ashley dead? And then people that were not from the tip community going, hey, wake up.

It's normally the husband. And I think one of the interesting things about Ashley and this is not

something I think about in all these cases. And I wish I could remember I was watching a news

report about this and they had to detect if I wish I could remember his name, but the detective

was saying what's fascinating about this case is one, the community, like you were saying, very low

action as far as violent crimes to per year. And because of the lifestyle that she lived,

she was very low risk lifestyle. So that would make investigators look inward to the family more

than maybe some other individual. And obviously she was murdered within inside her house.

Yeah, you know, I love to recite statistics, specifically crime statistics. And I get

aggravated when they're used simply to sway one argument one way or the other to sway

an argument one way or the other. Because I've seen many times where I think it's irresponsible

the way that crime statistics are reported. I was very vocal about that with the recent

Netflix, John Bene Ramsey documentary where the police kept going on and on and on about how all

the statistics would tell you that if a child dies in the home, then the parents are responsible

that a family member is responsible. That's what the statistics will tell you. But then they

went out of their way to tell us over and over and over again that a kidnapping for ransom attempt

is we've never had it in the history of our city. So it seemed counterintuitive to cite both of

those statistics. They essentially in my brain cross each other out. They cancel each other out.

And then same with the Nancy Guthrie story that unfortunately continues to be ongoing because

they've not located this poor woman or figured out who's responsible. You have investigators who

are saying, well, we don't believe there's no reason to believe that it's a random kidnapping

that the person just happened to take her because reviewing the local crime statistics say that

nighttime burglaries in this area almost never happened. Oh, okay, that's great. But also, guess

what almost never happens? A high profile case where a person is abducted and a ransom is requested.

I mean, most cities never experienced that. And our country at a whole at large rarely experiences

that. So it's it's completely bizarre to me to to cite these to sway an argument one way or the

other or try to bring people into your line of thinking as to what theory it is that you are working.

What angle it is you are working. When I hear investigators say things like that, that tells me

that they have a theory. They have an angle that they're working. You've gone about it wrong,

my friend. Let the evidence tell you what direction to go. Yeah, and I think it would be very

difficult. Like you said, little to no violent crimes in this community. But that doesn't mean that

this department isn't capable. But also they called it in the big guns, right? They have the FBI

involved pretty quickly. Yeah, that that's again, I'm this will be the last time I compare this

to the the Nancy Guthrie case. But hey, here show man, you do what you want. Well, that's what I want.

It's still this will be the last time that I compared the thing. Thanks for bringing me down that

row. But the thing here is when you look at these two investigations, try to line them upside

by side, what you're seeing is one handled very properly in my humble garage opinion and another

one just a complete butt fumble where here in tip city, God bless this police department,

these detectives and specifically this police chief, because what did he do right away? What did

I say it was the third time he addressed the media? He said, we brought in BCI. We brought in the FBI.

We brought in the sheriff's department. We share, you know, like those lines of jurisdiction

between the sheriff's department and the county and the city can be blurry, can be gray at times.

And we brought in the sheriff's department. We brought in the prosecuting office.

We brought in everybody we could. And so bringing in everybody you could bring in people with

better resources you than you have is the absolute smartest thing to do. The sheriff's department out

in Pima County did not do that. In fact, they they wanted to build a fence around their

little county and say, no, we got this. And a news break. No, you don't. The the other thing too

is in comparison, Pima County sheriff. Look, he may be a great guy. Maybe he knows a lot more. I

hope he knows a lot more about the case than I do and that he's holding stuff back. But from what

my eyes and earballs tell me he's not he's talking. He's going out of his way to talk and he's saying

all the wrong things where here we have a police chief who is saying very little. But the little

that he is saying is the right things again garage opinion here on at noon on Thursday the 19th

February 19th the Christian Life Center announced a celebration of life for Ashley Flynn

that would be held at 4 p.m. on Sunday February 22nd at the church. But then you have this breaking

news here 5 0 7 p.m. That same day that same date of Thursday February 19th Caleb Flynn

is booked into the Miami County jail on preliminary charges of murder,

felonious assault and tampering with evidence. Shortly after this, we get the police chief issued

what would be the 5th and final press release. He did announce Caleb Flynn was arrested on

charges of murder, felonious assault and tampering with evidence. And I believe it was at this

same press release. Short and sweet the way they should be. But I believe that it was at this time

that he said that any communications from law enforcement about this case going forward or any press

releases any questions that the media may have would need to be going through the prosecutors office.

Yeah, which I think is a smart move. And I think there's probably pretty devastating to this

community and and very small community. And you can say what you will about American Idol.

But I played with a guy that was on American Idol. Lionel Richie. I wish I'd love to play in Lionel Richie's

band. Forget about playing with Lionel Richie's Lionel Richie's band. Hey Lionel. Yes. Let's

bend an elbow and tip a bunch of these back. That when you said you were dancing on the ceiling,

I want to know what that feels like my friend. Take me there. Yeah, what drug do I have to take?

And so on side note, because we have that Brian Chaffer event coming up in Columbus, I mentioned

that would be giving out free hugs and free drugs. And I have been put on a Facebook restriction

because of that comment. Speaking of drugs that would make you dance on the ceiling.

There were halls cough drops that we intended to give out, but apparently Facebook is against that.

But I played with an artist that was on American Idol. And it was a fascinating experience,

because one, I just don't watch the show that often. So I had a friend of mine that called me and

said, Hey, there was this guy. His name's Murphy. He was on American Idol. I got some gigs and

and would you want to be the music director to get this up and running? My mother just happened

to be there when I took the call. So I asked her, Hey, do you know this Murphy guy from American?

I don't she's like, Yeah, he was a big deal on that episode. So sometimes there's big deals

of these contestants that don't win the show. But some of these guys that don't even get that far

in the show end up having careers from making a living through music with the help that they got

by getting the exposure. So I'm certain if he's a pastor, even if that's just a part time

pastor at the church and part of the music group that he is known by many. And so I'm sure it was a

very big shock to that community. Again, I don't think that the law enforcement took that lightly.

And so again, what evidence do they have? Do they have blood evidence? Do they have ballistic

evidence? Do they have neighborhood footage that shows nobody going in and out of that neighborhood?

And then that doesn't mean there couldn't be somebody breaking in because you could park miles

away and then decide to walk through the fields or something. That's one of the things I'd be

looking into. But they might have Caleb on footage doing stuff in or around that house

before that 911 call was made. And then also if you have this busted door, again, you might not

find DNA evidence, you might not find fingerprints. The assailant could be wearing gloves. But

I think they had to have something big enough because you have the community supportive of this

individual. But what I'd really love to know is what were the rumors? What were the dark rumors

happening? Because when there's a swell of support, there's normally a swell of doubters.

All right. We are back. Cheers mates. Talk hands in the air. Cheers to you, Colonel.

Cheers to you, Captain. You're going down a road that I like because I think that there could be a lot of

avenues coming off of this road. Again, it's now a collection more of what we don't know because

I think the police department's done their job of not letting us know too much. And so here,

you know, with a statement in the 911 call of her face is ghost white. Again, we don't know

what was said in his interview regarding what the family members, he himself and the victim were

doing that Sunday night, that Sunday evening, that Sunday afternoon. Are they able to place the time

of death to be much earlier than the 911 call? That would be highly, highly suspicious. So there's

really a lot here. There's a lot beneath the surface that we will be learning. I don't know how

soon we will be learning that because we already mentioned that he was arrested in charge. He being

Caleb Flynn, the husband and father of the two children and husband of the victim, remember that

fifth and final press release by the police chief stating that he was arrested not only on charges

of murder, but also tampering with evidence. So he's essentially charged with shooting and killing

his wife and staging the crime scene to potentially mislead investigators. That's what they're

charging him with. That doesn't mean that that's what he's guilty of. That's what the crime scene is

telling the police. That's what hopefully there's evidence to go along with that that is telling the

police and that's what they base this arrest on. Caleb Flynn, 39 years old, he pled not guilty.

This just on Friday, the 20th to charges of murder, assault and tampering with evidence. And in

that, can we talk about the treatment? He says, quote, I just want to take care of my daughters.

I'm not a risk. This is what he told Judge Samuel Huffman in a video of his

arrangement from jail and then the judge set the bond at $2 million. Yeah, but if you haven't

watched this, I believe I put a clip on our social media on Instagram or Facebook.

I don't know if he can't understand them because some of this stuff they're talking through,

like, intercoms. So it might be hard to understand. But I don't know if this guy is working with

a full box of crowns because he didn't seem to understand what was happening. And then I'm sorry,

but I just think there's some, it's either acting to me or it's him filling sorry for himself.

But I don't think he fully understood the question of what he was being asked. And then so then

he goes, well, I'm just worried about taking care of my kids and what's going to happen with my kids.

It was so frustrating because it's like, do you think they're just going to let you walk out?

I mean, yes, this guy seems to be a pillar of his community. And he has no criminal charges against

them, but they must have enough on you that they feel confident and arresting you.

I would also wonder when they took him down to the station for questioning. And I don't know if that,

do you know if that happened at the station or did they do the questioning in the house?

Well, they, I mean, they interviewed him and walked through the home with him

for the police report. But at some point, several hours after the call came in,

they stated that he was asked if he would be willing to go to the police department to be interviewed

and he, he consented to do that. So. And do we know if he took a lie detector test?

No, we don't. Because I'd love to know if that could be, that could be part of it. But

again, I don't think, I wouldn't guess that it is. Right. The thing here though, I mean,

he's, he's simply saying that he wants to take care of his kids. And, and I think he's using

that as an attempt to, to push back on the judges' concerns that this guy's a flight risk. And

well, how can I take care of my kids if I, if I take off and flee the area? You know, that's his

kind of push back on, well, I just, I'm not a flight risk. I just want to take care of my kids.

Well, and if I was the judge, I'd also be worried about suicide. Because if this guy's involved,

if this guy killed his wife and was trying to stage it in a way that she was targeted or

somebody broke into their house, what is he? What is the motivation for this crime? And one of the

rumors that have come out, there's two rumors that I've heard. One rumor is that he was having a

affair with another lady at the church. So his wife did some work at the church, but this other

lady was involved. And, and the church aspect, because I don't know, I don't have a, I'm involved

in churches to the point where I show up and play bass at a church function. But I don't know

the inner working. So when you say this lady works at the church, like, I know one of the choir

members cleans the church once a month as like a way to volunteer at the church. But I don't think

she's on payroll. So how is this other lady that he possibly was having a affair with? How is she

involved? They know her name. Her name has been out there. I'm not going to say her name because

I think it's just that allegation right now. I don't even know if there's any proof.

And the other rumor I heard was that there was no communication, at least between Caleb

and this other female about, well, one, there just wasn't much communication before hand

through his cell phone. But again, you don't know if there, if there are have enough

there, they might not be communicating through text messages. They might be communicating through

a social media app or maybe through email. But so that could be a possible motive. I mean,

a lot of people have said online, this has a weird feeling of Chris Watts. Obviously different

because Chris Watts's wife was pregnant at the time. And he killed his children as well.

And so that it's a little different, but it has those feelings. The judge set the bond at

$2 million and his attorney, and this might go a little bit out of order here at this point

in our timeline. But his attorney, Caleb Flynn's attorney, this man's name is Patrick Mulligan,

said in a statement, he and his client were disappointed. I'll read you verbatim here.

Quote disappointed and concerned about the short timeline and seeming rush to judgment in this case.

And quote, the murder takes place on Monday morning, police arrested Flynn on Thursday.

And then here another quote from the attorney, when the government runs out of leads or can't

develop leads and looks at a surviving spouse in cases such as these, the chance of a wrongful

conviction increases. The tip city police chief Greg Atkins defended the department's investigation,

saying in an email release that same day that they had not moved fast, that the investigation,

that the detectives did not move fast. Well, again, this is weird because in some investigations,

you don't get the evidence quickly. We don't know what they knew within 24 hours.

By the time you question him, you could go, well, statements from the 911 call to the statements

he made to police are inaccurate. His gun is missing. What surveillance footage did we find?

The autopsy, which would have probably been done within what 48 hours is going to roughly give

us the time of death. And that might not coincide with what the statements he's making.

And then again, it's a small town. So if there's dirt to be found, they'll find it quickly.

So I like those statements that he's making. Hey, we didn't rush to judgment here.

And hopefully, if you get the big boys involved with the sheriff and the FBI,

that they come in and they let the evidence determine that what they thought the outcome was

and not the outcome determines what evidence we need to collect. It was also stated at the

agreement that if he does post bond, he will be on house arrest with an electronic home

monitoring device and that he would have no interaction at all, even one, two degrees of separation

with the children, which is this makes all the sense in the world. If he's innocent, there's a

very unfortunate for this man, but it makes all the sense in the world because those two children,

elementary school daughters, are very likely your only witnesses in this case. Now,

what they heard or didn't hear, we don't know what they saw what they didn't see, we don't know.

But again, what we do know is at the time of the 9-1-1 call, per our suspect, the person charged,

he stated that the children were in the home and we know per the police report that they were

removed from the home after the police were on the scene. So you have four people in this house

before the 9-1-1 call, presumably during the time that the shots were fired and you have one of

them that's dead, one of them that's arrested and the two of them who are left to be potential

witnesses if and when the thing does go to trial. Yeah, and I don't know if law enforcement did

this, but what I do is I would want a toxicology report on the children, right? Were they,

did they get any sleep aid? Yeah, well, and we're going to get into some thoughts on how,

if he is responsible, then how much of this was planned versus spontaneous. On Friday, February 20th,

the Christian Life Center announced that the celebration of life for Ashley Flynn that was to be

on Sunday afternoon was canceled at the family's request. Instead, the funeral service would be

private and by invitation. Only the family of Ashley Flynn released a statement saying our

hearts are shattered. Ashley brought endless light to our world and we are trying to navigate

this immense loss. Our family believes this arrest was made carefully and not without serious

consideration. After speaking with both local police and federal authorities, we trust the

proper steps were taken and the process is being handled appropriately. We kindly ask for privacy

as we work through this complex situation. We are clinging to our faith just as Ashley did each

and every day. Do you think there's a possibility that law enforcement gave them some more bread

crumbs? I would think that they probably did without being specific. Right. And that there would be

ways to handle that without being specific. I also would be shocked if the children, whether they

know something of them, if they knowingly know that they know something of importance, sorry,

that's a jumbled up sentence there, but it made sense as I was saying it. Sure.

No, but what I mean is they could have very important information to the investigation

that they don't understand is important. And it's because of something that was gleaned from

the children one or both that have helped to clear things up for law enforcement. And keep in

mind, they've been in the custody and care of family members. That information may have been

passed along to those family members during that time of custody and care as well. That's a great

point. And original originally a preliminary hearing was scheduled for Caleb Flynn in Miami

County Municipal Court for 1 p.m. Thursday, February 26th. The hearing was to determine whether there

is enough evidence or probable cause for the case to proceed to a trial. If so, it would be

forwarded to a county grant jury for review. This preliminary hearing was rescheduled for 1 p.m.

Thursday, March 26th. And part of that is we do know that Caleb Flynn has waived his right to a

speedy trial. So what exactly led to Caleb's arrest and then being charged with the murder of his

wife? We can only come to our own conclusions because we've not been told. And as far as I know,

we went through a police report, but I have not seen any arrest affidavit publicly released to

the public, which would contain specific information as to why they chose to arrest him. Because look,

they could have held him for a period of time, but they would have been required to let him go

at some point. At some point, you have to either charge or release. And we do know that they charge.

So some things to consider is obviously his presence in the home. One thing that a lot of people

are calling in a question, I think they should. It's the initial location of the children. And you're

going to base this off of their statements. You're going to base this off of the things he was

saying on the 911 call. What he told the investigators as they were walking through the home

together. And then later what he said in his interview at the police station, I'm guessing that

some of the specifics there changed at some point that he may have gotten frazzled and was

unable to keep his story straight if he is in fact guilty. But I think they had to take into account,

like you said, if we we can hold him for a time period, but he if he's not being charged with

anything, then he has the right to be around his children. And could that possibly bring another

tragedy to this whole thing? Yeah. And you don't want to charge him on some flim flam charges.

You don't want it to be flimsy. So it doesn't matter if you want to keep him from the children

or not. The way that I see everything being conducted, it seems very thorough and on the up and

up. And we talk about this so many times in the garage where a detective their job, whether they

recognize it or not, is to assure that their findings are upheld in court with a conviction, not

just an arrest. And the the other part of our system, too, is that it is the judge's job

to ensure that whatever the verdict is is later upheld, right? That it's not a mistrial, that it's

not something goes wrong during the course of the trial. And so you're not going to push the envelope

and nor should you, if he waves his right to a speedy trial, you don't want to just grab him by

the ear and go, well, tough shit, Mr. We're going in for the arrangement today, preliminary hearing

today. You don't want to do that. I mean, because then it will be he was treated unfairly. You as

the judge, you want to make sure that the defendant is of sound mind that they understand the charges,

that they understand their plea and that they have effective counsel and that they have a fair trial.

And so this is all just, this is all just part of that. Now, part of what could have led to

his arrest, too, is how much evidence were they seeing that is telling them that, hey, this scene

looks staged and not just looks staged, but we can prove that it was in fact staged. And some

folks can say, look, this was a quick arrest. But I mean, if if the killer and the victim are all

in the same home at the same time, you have one crime scene and it's not that big. It's a

single family home on a single family lot. I mean, there's, it's not a huge crime scene. It wouldn't

take, you know, and they were there for three days that we know of. Yeah, that's the thing is,

we can say it seems fast, but you got one crime scene and you're collecting a lot of evidence

really quickly, but not because you don't have to look, you don't have to go look for the

evidence, right? You know, you're not looking for the victim. We have the victim. You're not looking,

you're not having to investigate a dump site. We have the victim in her bed. And so like you said,

there could just be a ton of stuff piling up here. I'll never understand why if, if the motivation

is to get rid of her so he can start a new life, I just don't, I don't understand why you want

to just divorce the person. But I think sometimes these individuals build up such a false outer shell

of who they are. Oh, he's this part time pastor and he's a, there's a praise and worship leader

and he's the pillar of the community. And I think sometimes that weighs on those individuals.

And it just can't be as simple as, and then also the relationship you have with your spouse.

I mean, obviously that's his spouse at the time, but her family and other people in the community.

But it's crazy to me that these people instead of just going, Hey, you know what? I'll get a divorce.

I won't see my kids all the time, but I think they're afraid of losing that facade of, I'm a

shining light in this community. And I think that's part of the motivation to

kill individual as opposed to just divorce the individual. I'm glad that you don't understand

that because if you did, I wouldn't be sitting in the garage with you here today. I mean, there's

it's psycho for, they call it psycho for a reason. And if he is, in fact, guilty of

shooting and killing his wife, look, and then, then as far as whatever with society or communities

go, glass houses people, keep in mind glass houses, and I cannot stand the holier than now

persons out there. If she's not the right wife for him, we're human beings. If she's a terrible mother,

we're human beings. If he's not good at being a husband, we're human beings. An error only

becomes a mistake once we refuse to correct it. And as far as we're told, we only live once. So

I don't want to go too far down that road. I want to go through some of the specifics of this case

before we go down a road that I think that the listeners will be very happy that we do go down

here. What evidence led investigators to believe Caleb Flynn staged the crime scene. And as we know,

investigators reported several pieces of physical evidence and inconsistencies

that led them to believe Caleb Flynn staged the crime scene to look like a home invasion, as he

said on the 911 call. Of course, we have the obstruction of the alleged entry point. Flynn claimed

that the side door to the garage was left open by an intruder. However, police find a large

refrigerator positioned in front of that door, which would have made it extremely difficult for an

intruder to push it open from the outside. The handguns location, his handgun specifically,

police observed that the center console of Flynn's 2024 four truck in the garage was open. This

mass matched the exact location where Flynn reportedly told police he kept his handgun. Again,

a lot of people pointing out to pointing out the inconsistent 911 statements during that lengthy

911 call where some folks are saying that he would state something then later, quote, corrected

himself. A lot of that, I think, pertains to where the kids are, what the kids were doing during

that call. I didn't hear it to me. While I see this being reported a lot and talked about a lot,

I that didn't jump off the page or or kick me in the airballs. When I heard it, I trust the

community and the people looking at this. If they think it's suspicious, it's well, it's worth

looking at the physical evidence in the bedroom to gun shell casings were found on the floor

near the foot of the bed where Ashley Flynn was shot. And then this tidbit here captain suspicious

social media activity neighbors and friends found it unsettling that Ashley's Facebook profile

picture was changed from a photo of her and her daughters to one of her and Caleb just two nights

before she was killed a change described as uncharacteristic for her. So let's go down this road.

Yeah, right. I want to do a little crime study, specific crime study, a little crime scene analysis

investigating and classifying this violent crime. So let's look at a study on domestic homicide.

If in fact, that is what this is. We know based on the charges that the tip city police and the

prosecutor there believes that is what happened. So we have domestic homicide. Let's take a look at

key types indicators and investigative considerations domestic domestic homicide involves one

household or family member killing another, including common law partners, the crime classification

manual from 1995 from the FBI outlines two sub types of this crime. One spontaneous domestic

homicide. This is unplanned triggered by recent or cumulative stress. No intentional staging

occurs typically in this type of crime body movement or positioning may happen for the offender's

benefit, but not to mislead law enforcement. And then the other subtype here captain would be staged

domestic homicide. So the difference being the big difference is being planned often designed to

appear accidental. This would be suicidal natural causes or linked to a secondary crime or crimes

such as robbery or rape. These staged domestic homicide crime scenes are more organized.

Weapons, fingerprints and evidence are commonly removed from the crime scene. The body is usually

not concealed and may be found in the home or elsewhere. Media driven occult slash satanic staging

may appear in these crimes, but we got to keep in mind. Part of that statement in

the classification manual. I believe comes from the time period. This was published in 1995.

So occult and satanic staging that that would make sense with a lot of the different crimes and

things that were going on or speculated about in the media at the time period. We also saw that

shortly after the Manson family murders, too, where folks would annihilate their family or kill

a spouse and then try to make it appear that a crazy batch of hippies broke in and painted the

walls with blood. Obviously, victimology would be familial in both of these types. Investigative

indicators for spontaneous cases crime likely occurs in the victim's residence check. In some cases,

there may be documented history of domestic violence or conflict. We don't we don't know anything

about that. So domestic violence, that's obvious, but conflict could be things like financial

conflict, employment, alcohol or drug use. Yeah, and we don't have or at least I haven't seen any

local rumors that they had marital problems. Everybody said they seemed to be the perfect couple.

So yes, there are these rumors or rumblings about a possible affair with somebody at the church.

But I think that's just coming from a very small group. So again, we would have to see proof

of that first. So there's no knowledge or at least nothing coming out that actually knew of

fair that Caleb was having. And that's a natural leap for the community or members of the

community to make when one spouse is charged with the homicide of another spouse. It's

regardless of man kills woman woman kills man. That's husband kills wife wife kills husband.

That's something that's going to be thought of and looked at as well. In the spontaneous type,

the offender may delay reporting to change clothes or craft an alibi. And a third party often

discovers the victim's body. The offender may show personalized aggression and a marked

attitude change after the trigger. Now, investigative indicators for staged cases. So keep in mind,

some of these are going to blend together. Just by the nature of the victimology, the nature of

the offender, they often live together, nature of the offense, the crime scene, some of this is

going to blend together. But here, the subtle differences and then apply them to what little we

know about this case. So this is indicators for staged cases, controlled organized crime scene,

removal of evidence, potential accident, suicide overdose. So to stage it, you're going to want to

make it look like something else took place to mislead investigators. You can't hide the fact

that the person is dead. You're just trying to set it up to make it look like they died by some other

manor than you killing them. So you're going to set it up to make it look like a potential accident,

potential suicide, potential overdose. Warning insulin can often be a great way to confuse medical

examiners as it will mask what took place and may mimic natural causes. But here, we have

something different. Some of the staging can be to include and oftentimes does make it look like

somebody else did the crime that there was another crime in progress when it took place. Again,

we already mentioned robbery and rape in a staged domestic rape slash murder victims are rarely

left fully nude. Typically, they're partially clothed. If the supposed primary threat, often the

male household member has no or minor injuries. Here, we have no injuries while others are killed

in the home staging should be suspected. This is the FBI saying this. They're not saying that it

is the situation that it is the result of a staged domestic homicide. They're saying if you go

into a scene, any scene, and the primary threat has no or minor injuries and others are killed,

staging should be suspected. Pre-offense behavior may improve conspicuously. Okay. Friends

slash family may report the victim voiced fear or foreboding. Okay. And here, we don't seem to

have that. And that goes along with we don't seem to have a history of domestic violence in this

relationship. Medical and psychiatric history of the victim is relevant, especially if suicide

or natural causes are claimed. Search warrant suggestions. That's interesting because it made me

think of the Ellen Greenberg case where what what the FBI is stating here is just because you have

some kind of psychiatric history that doesn't mean particularly that the dead person was suicidal.

It could also mean that they're having psychiatric problems or they have a psychiatric

history because they're experiencing something from someone else that maybe they are in fear

because of their spouse or they're being bullied by their spouse. Right. There's some kind of

mental abuse. So search warrant suggestions. I think maybe the one thing that could have been

done a little, if I could tweak one thing of what I've seen about this investigation and the

the way that it was handled is we've talked about this in some other cases. I think it was the

Aaron Spencer case in particular might have been the Spencer Tepe, Monica Tepe murders

case as well, where we saw that police and detectives could go into a crime scene, but as soon as

they recognized that we're talking about a murder situation, they they waited to go in with the fine

tooth comb until they had that search warrant obtained from a judge. So search warrant suggestions for

this type of investigation. If you're looking at spontaneous domestic homicide says obtain financial

and medical records to assess stressors and corroborate spontaneity, if you think that somebody

would freak out and murder their spouse, you might be able to find some type of paper trail in it

and medical records or financial records staged seek evidence of motive and planning,

including telephone and personal records, travel logs, motel bookings and gasoline receipts.

One thing that they said about stage two that the FBI said in this circles back to something that

we touched on just very, very briefly, they say that you if most of the time when it's a staged

homicide, there's a good amount of planning that's going to go into that and one could be

planning this for days, weeks, months and advance. One thing they point to is a change in the level

of affection and appreciation that a spouse shows for the later to be dead Victor.

Is there an uptick like oh, he was holding her hand all the time when he was putting his arm

around her all the time. This we just noticed this two days, three days before he never sort of

behave that way in the room with her before. He was going out of his way to say that he loved her

and buying her gifts and putting on that facade of oh, I'm the perfect husband. We have the perfect

marriage and that is interesting to me that they note that in the crime classification manual

because we have neighbors and friends that say they found it a little strange that Ashley's

Facebook profile picture was changed from a photo of her and her daughters to one of her and Caleb

just two nights before she was killed. Yeah, I think it's important to jump on these cases and

look into these cases as they're unfolding and and it's kind of what we all do, right? You go,

hey, did you hear about that crime that happened in Indiana? Did you hear about that crime that happened

in California? Sometimes we get bombarded, especially when it's in our neck of the woods. Hey,

and so but there is a frustration because we've covered so many cases that we do know that there's

there's going to be evidence and information and answers. Maybe not all the answers, but more

answers as this case develops, but it's a it's a fascinating case. And I'm like, you I'm fascinated

with the investigation. So I'm very curious what they found and what evidence they have against

them. So we should know that within about a month or at least part of that because it will be

in reports. So we'll keep following this one. And a lot of the updates, as you guys know, become

off the record episodes. As much as I'm interested in the investigation, it's the why in some of

these cases, like this just doesn't make a lot of sense if he was responsible for this to seem like

there was better ways out of whatever situation he thought he was in.

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