The Virginia Roberts Deposition (Part 10)

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1:00Kachava keeps you fueled and satisfied wherever your day takes you. Plus, it actually tastes delicious. No fillers, no nonsense. Just the good stuff your body craves. And for the times you feel like switching it up, you've got seven flavors to choose from, all with the highest quality ingredients. Treat yourself to the flavor and nutrition your body craves. Go to Kachava.com and use code news. New customers get 15% off their first order. That's K-A-C-H-A-V-A.com code news. What's up everyone and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to keep power and through the Virginia Roberts deposition. And to do that, we're going to pick up where we left off. Manager, all right, Mr. Roberts. I want to talk to you about where you were living in the late 1990s. Do you recall? You testified earlier, I believe, that you were living at your parents' house. And you gave us an address at the time you started at Mar-a-Lago.

2:00Virginia, yes. Manager, do you remember where you lived previous to living at your parents' house at that time? Virginia, like I said, I was a runaway, so there was a lot of different places that I lived. One of the places that I lived like I told you earlier with redacted parents. That was somewhere around Fort Lauderdale, I believe, maybe a little bit outside of it. Manager, okay. Virginia, redacted, got an apartment, and I lived in redacted's apartment for a short period. Manager, and where do you recall that being? Virginia, somewhere in Fort Lauderdale again. Manager, okay. And then you were living with your parents, or there was another place in between. Virginia, then I live with my parents. Manager, okay. And then where is the next place that you moved? Virginia, an apartment that Jeffrey got for me in Royal Palm Beach. Manager, okay. And you don't know the address of that.

3:01Virginia, no, I wish I could give it to you, but I don't know it. Manager, and you stayed at that apartment until you left for Thailand in the fall, later in the year, in 2002. Is that correct? Virginia, yes. Manager, right? Virginia, yes. Manager, all right. And when did you first stop living with your parents? How old were you when you first stopped living with your parents? To this Brad Edwards objects to form. Virginia, the very first time. Manager, uh-huh. Virginia, I believe I was 11. Manager, okay. What caused you to stop living with your parents when you were 11? Virginia, I just had some trouble and my parents thought it would be better if they sent me to California. Manager, okay, what kind of trouble did you have? Virginia, it's very hard for me to talk about. There was stuff that went on in my life that, you know, made me so, I couldn't live with my parents anymore. Manager, what went on in your life

4:03that caused you to not be able to live with your parents at the age of 11? Virginia, do I have to answer this? Manager, well, did you talk to Sharon Churcher about being molested as a child? Virginia, I did. Manager, and you authorized Sharon Churcher to publish that in a newspaper, correct? Virginia, I don't think I authorized her to do it. I think she, I wouldn't say she did it on her own accord, but I talked to her about it, and I wasn't aware of exactly what she was going to publish and what she wasn't. Manager, so you were able to talk to a reporter for the mail on Sunday about this, correct? Virginia, I did tell her a little bit about my past and where I came from. Manager, all right, so what caused you to be sent away from your parents' home at the age of 11 to California? Virginia, some of the prior abuse which led me to be a very trouble teenager. I mean, I guess you wouldn't call an 11-year-old a teenager yet, but led me to running away a lot,

5:03and my family just thought it was best to get out of the area and move somewhere else. Manager, okay, you had to run away prior to being the age of 11. Virginia, yes. Manager, all right. Was that reported to the authorities? Virginia, that I ran away. Manager, yes. Virginia, yes. Manager, and where were your parents living when you were the age of 11? Virginia, the same address that I gave you earlier. Manager, okay, so the authorities associated with Locksa Hatchee, Florida were made aware that you had run away from your home at the age of 11? Virginia, yes. Manager, and what abuse had you suffered prior to the age of 11? Virginia, there was a very close family friend who was a very sick man, and he took advantage. Manager, what was his name? Virginia redacted. Manager, redacted what? Virginia redacted. Manager, and where is redacted today?

6:06Virginia, I don't know where he is. Manager, does your family keep in contact with him? Virginia, no. Manager, what did he do to you? Virginia, um, he touched me in places. I shouldn't be touched. He sexually abused me. Manager, for how long? Virginia, I don't know how long. Manager, did you tell that to your parents? Virginia, they know. Manager, how did they know? Virginia, I told them. Did you tell them when you were under the age of 11 or at the age of 11? Virginia, I told them later. Manager, when did you tell them? Virginia, it took me a long time to forget my parents for sending me away. I didn't feel like anybody understood me. So not until later in my life, did I feel like I was able to talk to anyone about it? Manager, okay, was it reported to the authorities? Virginia, no, I went too late to talk to anybody about it. Manager, did the event of you being molested cause your parents to split up?

7:07Virginia, I think Sharon reported that, but I don't think that's the case. No, my parents split up because they were really messed up. Manager, your parents split up because they're really messed up. Virginia, oh, they just didn't get along. There were a lot of marital problems. Manager, when did they split up? Virginia, I don't really remember what year it was. Manager, how old were you? Virginia, I believe I was living with Jeffrey at the time. Manager, with whom did you live in California? Virginia, my redacted. Manager, and who else? Virginia redacted. Manager, and who else? Virginia, that's it. Manager, and for how long did you live with them? Virginia, I don't really know how long maybe over a year, maybe two years. Manager, and then what caused you to not live with them anymore? Virginia, I kept running away from them too. Manager, and where did you live in California?

8:08Virginia, I'm sorry. Manager, where did you live in California? Virginia, where did they live? Manager, where did you live with them? Virginia, Salinas, manager, and do you know the address? Virginia, no. Manager, do they still live there? Virginia, no. Manager, when did you stop living there? Virginia, I don't know. I haven't kept in contact with them. Manager, and you believe you live with them for a little more than a year? Virginia, maybe a year, maybe two years. I'm not too sure. Manager, did you go to school there? Virginia, yes. Manager, where did you go to school? Virginia, somewhere near Salinas, I'm assuming. Manager, what grade were you in? Virginia, middle school. Manager, sixth grade, seventh grade. Virginia, I think sixth grade. Manager, and did you go there for more than one year or just one year? Virginia, maybe, I don't know. I'm sorry. I don't know.

9:08Manager, were the authorities in Salinas alerted to the fact that you ran away from home there? Virginia, yes. Manager, how long was the longest you were away from home in Salinas, California? Virginia, two weeks. Manager, and you were in middle school? Virginia, yes. Manager, yes or no? Virginia, oh, oh, yes. Manager, and then when did you go back to Florida? Virginia, I don't know. Manager, was your younger brother living with your parents in Florida while you were in California? Virginia, uh, yeah. Manager, and was your older brother living with your parents in Florida while you were in California? Virginia, I don't think so. Manager, how much older than you is he? Virginia, five years. Manager, and then you went back to Florida. Where did you go to school? When you eventually got back? Virginia, I believe I went to Creswood Middle School. Manager, and did you complete your studies at Creswood Middle School?

10:09Virginia, did I get out of middle school there? Yes. Manager, okay, what grades were middle school? Virginia, six, seven, and eight. Manager, okay, and when you went back to live with your parents, again, was that at the same address and locks a hatchy? Virginia, yes. Manager, and you don't believe your older brother was in the home at the time? Virginia, no, he was sent to boarding school. Manager, where did he go to boarding school? Virginia, Washington. Manager, state or city? Virginia, Washington, above California. Manager, when was the next time you stopped living with your parents? Virginia, they sent me to a group home called Growing Together. Manager, why? Virginia, because I kept running away. Manager, where the authority is alerted when you ran away? Virginia, yes. Manager, and how old were you when you went to live at Growing Together? Virginia, I don't know, it's hard for me to piece back dates off the top of my head.

11:11I don't want to guess. I don't think I should guess. I don't know. Manager, but you moved directly from living with your parents to living at Growing Together? Virginia, I wouldn't say directly. Manager, how Virginia interrupts her. I'd say stayed with my parents for like, I think I finished school at Cresswood. So I would have been in, I don't know, I guess eighth grade, finish eighth grade, and then I don't know, I really don't know, around eighth grade. Manager, you went to Growing Together? Virginia, I think it was then. Manager, how many years did you live at Growing Together? Virginia, over a year. Manager, were you ever in foster care? Virginia, what Growing Together was, was like a group home that sent you away to foster parents every night. Craving the coffee flavor you love, but without the caffeine, Kachava's got you covered with their newest coffee flavor. This all-in-one nutrition shake delivers bold, authentic flavor, crafted from premium, decaffeinated Brazilian beans.

12:12Quality nutrition shouldn't be complicated. Just two scoops of Kachava's all-in-one nutrition shake, and you've got 25 grams of protein, 6 grams of fiber, greens, and so much more. Whether you're craving that coffee taste to kickstart your morning ritual, or as a nutrient-packed reward to round out your afternoon, Kachava keeps you fueled and satisfied wherever your day takes you. Plus, it actually tastes delicious. No fillers, no nonsense. Just the good stuff, your body craves. And for the times you feel like switching it up, you've got seven flavors to choose from, all with the highest quality ingredients. Treat yourself to the flavor and nutrition your body craves. Go to kachava.com and use code news. New customers get 15% off their first order. That's KAC-HAVA.com code news. You're having a good time. You're out drinking with the boys. Now it's time to pay the tab. Well, there are court costs, attorney fees, higher insurance costs,

13:13damage to your car, do you why fines? Ugh. Not to mention the damage to your social life. Plan a sober ride or pay the price. Drinking and driving costs more than your drinks. It could cost a life. Learn more at what'sthedamage.org. Brought to you by Virginia DMV. Manager, so you lived in other people's homes during that period of time. You were assigned to growing together. Virginia, well, you stayed at growing together during the day and then at night you get sent home with parents. Manager, did you go to school while you were at growing together? Virginia, yeah, they offer education there. Manager, so the education was at growing together. Virginia, yeah. Manager, you did not attend Palm Beach County. Virginia, I did. But you had to earn your levels up to be able to go outside. So I don't remember what level you have to get up to to go out to another school. I think there was like seven levels or something. And you had to make it to like level four to be able to go to an outside school.

14:14Manager, so for some time period, you were assigned to growing together and you were going to school at growing together. And for some period of time, you were going to other schools and coming back to growing together. Virginia, correct, manager. And then when you came back to growing together, you were sent to spend the night at a family's home. Virginia, yes. Manager, so you never slept at growing together? Virginia, no. Manager, did you live other than living at or staying at growing together during the day and sleeping at these other homes at night? Is there anywhere else that you recall living in the period between the ages of eighth grade and when you started working at Mar-a-Lago? Virginia, besides the ones I told you about, you know, I did run away from growing together quite often. And I did end up being abused by another older guy who I stayed with for I don't know how long. Manager, how well were you then? Virginia, I don't know, I'm sorry.

15:14I really wish I could pinpoint dates. I don't know dates. Manager, okay, what was the man's name? Virginia redacted. Manager, and how long were you living with redacted four? Virginia, yes. Manager, and how long were you living with them? Virginia, I don't know. Manager, days, weeks, months, Virginia, I don't know. I mean, it wasn't days, I don't think it was weeks. It would have been close to maybe a few months, manager, and was redacted, prosecuted by federal authorities in South Florida. Virginia, yes. Manager, and you were located by the FBI, I believe. Yes, says Virginia, manager, and you gave an interview to the FBI concerning your time with redacted, correct? Virginia, yes. Manager, did you ever get a victim's notification letter regarding your status as a victim in redacted federal criminal prosecution? Virginia, I don't know, my parents handled everything.

16:16Manager, do you know if your parents received such a letter? I don't know, says Virginia. Manager, have you ever asked them? Virginia, no, I've really never brought it up with them. It really pissed them off a lot, so I never brought it up with them. Manager, it pissed them off that you were living with redacted. Virginia, yes. Manager, why did it piss them off? You know, Virginia, well, I think they were just disgusted, you know, that this happened to me again, and they didn't want to talk about it. They didn't want to talk about it, but they were aware of it, says manager, Virginia, yes, manager, and your dad came and picked you up from the police station. Virginia, yes, manager, and your dad would not let you come home. Virginia, well, I think it was more of my mom didn't want me to come home. Manager, did she say why? Virginia, well, I asked my dad at the police station if I could come back home, instead of going to growing together, and he said my mom didn't want me to come home,

17:19and I told him if he didn't get me out within a week, I'd run away again, and he'd never hear from me again. Manager, and how is it you came back to be living at their house again? Virginia, I ran away again, and I called him up, and I said, this is your final chance, and they came and picked me up, and they let me live there. Manager, and when did you go live with Redacted? Virginia, not long after that, and when did you live with Redacted's parents? Virginia, well, I live with Redacted's parents before I live with Redacted in his apartment, manager, and that was the apartment that Redacted rented. Virginia, Redacted is his friend. I can't remember his friend's name. Mario, I think his friend's name was, manager, when did you live with Redacted as parents? Virginia, that was just a brief stint. I didn't really stay there very long, but it was, I was around away. That's in between times of, I don't know. Manager, how old were you?

18:20Virginia, I don't know. Manager, I just want to be clear. Redacted rented an apartment that you moved into, that he rented, correct. Virginia, correct. Manager, and that was after you lived with Redacted and his parents, correct? Virginia, correct. Manager, and that was prior to you. And Redacted living with your parents when you started working at Mar-a-Lago. Correct, Virginia, correct. Manager, do I have that sequence right? Virginia, so far, yes. Manager, and when did you stop living at your parents? At the time you started working at Mar-a-Lago. How long after you started at Mar-a-Lago, did you stop living with your parents? Virginia, I don't know exact dates. I was traveling with Jeffrey a lot, and I was making, he was giving me lots of money for the sex that I had with him and Golan. And after I would say a short time, I'm not too sure. Darling, I don't know. Manager, all right, can you? Manager, I have no recollection of which number we're on in terms of exhibit.

19:24Ms. Rodriguez 15, manager. Okay, I'd like to mark as defendant's exhibit 15, a document, and see if you can identify it. Actually, before I do that, when do you recall ever getting a passport? Virginia, I got my passport in New York. I don't know what age I was. Okay, says manager, and did you? How did you get it? Did you go somewhere? What happened? Virginia, Jeffrey had me fill out paperwork and go to a Kodak shop or something similar of a Kodak shop and get my picture taken. I gave him my picture and my paperwork, he sent it away. I think a week later, he said it got expedited. Manager, did you physically go to an office in New York? Virginia, Jeffrey's office, manager, an office associated with immigration or Homeland Security, or whatever it was called back then. Virginia, not that I recall. Manager, and do you know how old you were? Virginia? No, I don't know how old you have to be to get a passport, so I'm not too sure.

20:25Exhibit 15 marked. Manager, okay, I'm going to show you, defend an exhibit 15. Do you recognize this document? Virginia answers yes. All right, we're going to wrap up right there and in the next episode, we're going to pick up where we left off. All of the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box. You're having a good time. You're out drinking with the boys. Now it's time to pay the tab. Well, there are court costs, attorney fees, higher insurance costs, damaged to your car, do you why fines? Not to mention the damage to your social life. Plan a sober ride or pay the price. Drinking and driving costs more than your drinks. It could cost a life. Learn more at what'sthedamage.org. Brought to you by Virginia DMV.