The Underground Paranormal Network, Part Two | Grave Talks CLASSIC

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2:28Today on The Grave Talks, we continue our conversation about the Underground Paranormal Network with Austin Maynard. Now, when you put together these various locations and it wasn't done like one week, you know, it took a little time to go to these seven locations and you have paranormal investigations that you host in them or do you kind of open it up for people to go in on their own? I mean, some of them are businesses. You don't want to just go here. You get a walk around by their John's Microvery all night long. Because they're going to be trying all the beer. But I mean, I would. How do you host these various locations? Well, we have basically we open them up privately like teams can rent them. And we try to keep the prices as low as we can. I think the most expensive one we have is Father John's. To just do a normal ghost on his like $500.

3:31But for a couple hundred dollars more, you actually can rent out the entire Airbnb aspect which is the percentage which has four bedrooms and five beds, full working bathrooms, like all this stuff. And you can stay until from like, you know, 7 pm to 11 am the next day. Most of it is just like that like opening up for private teams. But also we do do some public hunts mainly at like middle point in the village. We do some at Broadwell Theater home as well. Maybe one or two a year at each location. But for the most part, it's just scheduling coordinating. And we have people at each location that will go out and sit on site in case of an emergency. Plus we are insurance requires it. Yeah. But essentially, yeah, the teams will rent the location for the night and we have somebody on site like that doesn't, they're not like with the team

4:31or whatever, they're just, you know, on site either at base camp or out in their cars or something just in case of an emergency. But that's basically how we do it. Now the father, John's microbreweria, it's an old church that was built in like 1875. 1895. So it's a, now it's a brewery restaurant. It looks so cool. Like I would love to just go hang out there and have a beer and dinner. But it looks like a cool place. But we were talking about it before and the guy who owns it has brought in different artifacts, kind of religious artifacts from all over. And do you think that has any influence on the energy of the brewery? Oh, big time. I think that it's essentially, she's created, I mean, personally, I like to think about it as like a culture war spiritually because I mean, and I've had multiple,

5:33you know, psychic mediums or people in the field tell me that like that's what they are picking up on is kind of like just a, almost like a conflict, a conflict of, I guess, is that the right word? Kind of attitude and energy about the place. You know, he built it or he put all this together with the intention that like all religions are welcome. You know, and that's, that's great. You know, and I think that that has an influence on the energy there as well. It kind of might keep everything a bay just because it's all, you know, peaceful intentions kind of things. But I think that, you know, yeah, I mean, that's a major, major aspect of the haunting there. I mean, but you also have the history of the church itself, which there were no actual, there weren't any like deaths on the property as far as we know. And honestly, there's a, I know we have a crypt room down in the basement. No, the crypt room is interesting because

6:36according to John, of course, when he was doing excavating down in the basement for the restaurant, he was trying to create like a, he was looking for like a, for plumbing, like drainage pipes and stuff from the kitchen to the thing. And apparently as he, when he got, when he started tearing apart the ground, it kind of collapsed in. And so he, they pulled out all this, the rubble and the stones and found a casket. Oh, wow, that's an, that's an interesting find. Yeah, I mean, it's, it's about four feet below the ground. I don't, there's no history on it. There's no information on it whatsoever. And so a lot of people around town doubt it. You know, they, they're like, oh, you know, you put it under there. And it's, I mean, I, I don't know. And I will say that that I don't know.

7:36But when you look at, when you look, when you are, and I've actually been down inside of it, like I, because he's got some like glass over top, like one of those glass floors that he would find at like a, Japanese restaurant, like when you walk in, you got the fish, you know, some of the feet, it was kind of one of those things. And I, I got underneath, that we took off the metal grating that was next to it. And I went down in there. I mean, that thing is like, it looks like it was put in from the opposite end. And I mean, it's wedged in the rock down there. It's not kind of, it's like rock. So I don't, I mean, it's, I, I don't know. It kind of makes me think. So you have to wonder if maybe back in 18 or 1900, one of the original pastors of the church died. And they're like, well, we'll just bury him here. That would not necessarily make sense. Because that was, like, that was more or less a Catholic practice.

8:41But it was a Catholic thing. I know that over in Europe, they used to do with a lot of Catholic priests around the, uh, or Catholic churches around the United States have that too. Or they're one of the priests that is buried or even multiple priests that are buried under the church. But with this one, the church was episcopal. Which wouldn't have been in their practice. Yeah, it wouldn't make sense. It really, yeah, no, it really would not make sense. And so, I mean, there was a church there that, that was there before this one was built. But it was only like a one story or a one room wooden church, you know, like you just walk in. And it's just the cathedral area or the sanctuary area. But that, when they, they tore that down or it burned, it burned down before they built this one. Um, the only thing that I can speculate, I mean, this is just pure speculation. Is that back in the early 1800s?

9:42Like, well, I would even say like 1840s even, there's latest 1840s. There was that plot of land where the land that Father John sits on was actually connected to like four other blocks. Like it made a giant ass like lot, right? Like just one big giant lot. And on that lot was the original Brian cemetery. And so there were a number of plots that were actually moved over to the current cemetery, the front of the grave. And so at some point that that plot of land was broken up and into the blocks, you know, residential blocks. And I mean, that's my biggest speculation is that maybe somebody buried somebody over in a different part of the lot and that just, I mean, there's a, I mean, there's a lot of unknowns with it.

10:42And that's what is still fascinating about it. But people get responses from it. People talk to I've had activity. I've had responses. I've even had really negative responses from that room, from that entity. Even when I went down underneath and put, you know, I did an EVP session held the recorder right down next to the casket. And I got some nasty, some nasty thing. But I don't know what that necessarily tells me, except that there's somebody in there. I'm not resting in peace with you holding that recording device up next to me. Well, also, you know, when John found it, he could have easily just filled it back in. You know, but he didn't, he cleaned it out and then put a glass panel over it. And then in that room, specifically, the crypt room, you can, we can actually like eat in that room so that he says, so he suspended a table or like a table that shaped like a cross.

11:44He suspended it from the ceiling using old chains. And now you can eat in there. Oh my God. That's kind of cool and kind of terrifying to me at the same time. Oh, it's yeah, exactly. I mean, it's cool. But I mean, depending on how you look at it, you could also see it as like extremely disrespectful. Yeah, kind of taunting. Well, I mean, yeah, because you just disturbed this dude's grave. And now you're just allowing people to eat over top like it's a spectacle. And yeah, entertainment. And I mean, some people who hit the pens, I mean, that's why Father John's can be a controversial kind of place because, you know, people will look at it from a different, from a bunch of different perspectives, you know, and it can be good or bad. But at the end of the day, it is what it is. And I think it's awesome personally, but what about the Williams County jail? Yeah, that's an old building as well. Like 1860s, 70s in there. I found that, you know, I've talked to so many different

12:48jails and prisons that are very haunted. And I get why they would be. You know, you think about what happened in these buildings and the jailers might still be there protecting everybody from these bad guys. But there was, there was a couple bad guys in that jail. Oh, yeah. I mean, you got one of the, I mean, the most well-known one would be James Robert Engel, Jim Engel. Basically, he was, I mean, he was a Navy, so he was a Navy, he was a sailor in World War II. And when he came back to Brian, he went up to the library one day, I guess, and saw this new librarian that came into town from Tennessee. She hadn't even been there a year and five of them remember correctly. And he saw, and apparently just got this strong urge to kill her. So what he said when he, when they arrested him, but so like basically he went, he left the

13:51library, came back sometime later towards closing time. And he went down into the, at the time, it was the historical archives, which is in the basement. And when it was time to close, she came down to let him know. And he just attacked her. And essentially, he started beating her, he strangled her, he beat her head against the floor, and then stabbed her 27 times. And then left. And then at some point came back because they saw bloody footprints go from the basement all the way up and out the door. And then seeing them come back inside, back down to where she was, and he beat her some more. Like, yeah, it disappeared for, you know, a couple days,

14:58but turned himself in at some point. But yeah, I mean, it was, it was bad. But when he was arrested, he was booked at the, the Williams County jail. And we actually have his original, or we had it, I have a picture of it, but the sheriff, former sheriff, he had actually the original booking card for him, laminated. And I had it in my possession for one of the events. And I brought it, like, I just brought it out to the jail so people could like look at it during the hunt. Yeah, I mean, it was, I mean, that's a big, that was a big infamous murder for sure. I mean, there was also, I mean, there were a couple other guys too. I mean, I think one of the most well-known ones was the Andrew Tyler. I don't know if you read anything about that one. I don't know that I did. So, yeah, so this one is really interesting now. Have you ever read the book of Mice and Men?

16:00Oh my gosh, like, when I was in high school, which would be more than I want to tell you it's been a long time. Well, I mean, I don't know how much of it you remember, but and I only remember the book because of the fact that this guy, Andrew Tyler, like, this story almost seems like it could be the basis for the book. Um, Andrew Tyler was a traveling con man type guy, you know, like selling a snake oil type of thing. And uh, he came into Brian and uh, apparently people saw through his bluff or whatever like they didn't want to mess around. And so him and he had a big, I don't know, I hate to use this word, but like a big kind of dopey sidekick, right? Like so he was the con man and the other guy was the brain or the brawn. He was the brains and the other guy was the brawn. Um, and so they came up with

17:02this plan to kidnap a wealthy family's son and hold him for a ransom. And um, problem was is that when he did that, the, the people, the, the family did not pay the ransom. They didn't want to pay, they weren't going to negotiate with theirs or whatever he said. And so, Andrew sent the big guy to take the kid down somewhere in a field and find and uh, basically, the big guy swam the kid around and bash his head up against him out of the tree. Oh, it's horrific. And um, yeah, and then the family, at some point they found out that it was Andrew Tyler and his buddy. And um, it was supposed to be a private hanging like he was sentenced to death by hanging. And this was the only, the first and only time anybody's ever been a public execution or any kind

18:02of hanging in general. Um, so they, the, the townspeople were so mad that they tore down the fence and they wanted a delinquent, basically. So they rung him up, gave him his one last request or one final, you know, whatever. And he said, he asked him to shorten the rope a little bit. And so they abided, not obviously not knowing that whatever, but, um, when they, when they dropped the floor, he didn't die. He didn't break, they didn't break his neck. So we sat there kind of struck, you know, as being strangled by the rope, he was just sitting there hanging and it just horrified the people. So they pulled them down, brought them back up, re-strung it, let it lengthen the rope this time and just got it down and over with. But the people were so horrified by all of it. That, that was the first and only public hanging in Williams County. But the other guy was sentenced to like prison, um, but he was actually sent, he ended up going to like a mental institution

19:05for the rest of his life. Um, but yeah, I mean, it's really this, he, but like as he was being hung, he was hung, um, in Bryan on the grounds of the original Bryan jail right there on the square. And, um, for, and this is kind of interesting because uh, this was like 1849 or something like that 1847 possibly. But one of the things that we found interesting is that we've actually found journal entries that talk about some of the former deputies when they moved over to the new jail they're current along that island. Um, they would claim that they were haunted by the spirit of Andrew Tyler in the jail. Like, and even some of the inmates claimed that they were, that they would see Andrew Tyler walking around or it's like that's kind of interesting. Like since the built and people have claimed hauntings with it. Yeah. And that goes back. I mean, that's

20:09a way back. That's interesting. Do you get or different groups in and out of there? Are they getting quite a bit of activity in the jail? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And which is interesting because um, like when I first, like the first, I don't know, I'd say like three years that I was doing work at the jail and doing the tours and everything. Like it really seemed like kind of a normal jail scenario where like it was like lights out at midnight, you know what I mean? And so everything would just kind of shut up. And so we, um, I don't know, even when Nick and death walker, when we shot the episode there, even then it was like, it like shut down at midnight, like spurred stop talk and all activity was just kind of dead. Um, but lately the last couple years, I mean, activity is dramatically increased and um, it's going all throughout the night.

21:09I don't know. It's just interesting that the activity levels seem to have increased the more. But I also think that, you know, with all these teams coming in and opening the door way to ask, you know, essentially inviting them all in, you know, which, I mean, that's how it goes with hauntings typically, the more you let people in, the more they might bring in. And so, but I mean, you're also talking about thousands of people over 130 years of it being an active jail coming in. And there were, we've been able to confirm four deaths in the jail. Three of them are suicides. I mean, yeah, there's a lot, a lot more to be found though, because like I have only been able to find those now out of the other locations, because I mean, we don't we're not going to have time to talk about each one of them. But what do you find out of the other locations? What are the, what's one of the most active locations you have? Well, that's, that's a tough one. One, because

22:11I guess the question would become what defines the most act. I guess that's true. I like what, I mean, because like if we're talking about most like frequent activity or most common activity, probably the broadwell funeral home or, or the village, just because the village has such a wide range. I mean, it's got like 26 buildings across 30 makers. Like, there's, I mean, there's so much if one, if one part of the village isn't active, they're definitely another part might be. I mean, I mean, they're all very active in their own way. And it's interesting, because each of them has kind of a different style of haunting or like different. I almost want to say personality of the building. Yeah, that makes sense actually, because they would all be unique in, yeah. And what's going on there? Yeah, because I think some, there are the some of the locations I've

23:12had darker things happen. Some of them are more, you know, just friendly haunted like people that work there for 40 years or something and they're just still coming to work every day or something. You know, I mean, like stuff like that. But yeah, I mean, it's that's what makes it so interesting. That's why I love it so much is because it is all different. You want, you want a dark scary haunting that where you might get attacked? Well, I got some of that for you. You want something friendlier? You want something more docile and wanting to communicate with you like that? I got that for you. So that's why I call it a playground. It's like whatever you want, whatever you like. It is like a supernatural playground. And you could have, you know, if you're at this level of investigating, maybe you're not ready for this particular location. This is going to be intense. This might be more for you. Yeah, I mean, I don't typically like to offer options like that.

24:14I guess I don't like to, I'm not a salesman in that sense. I want people to experience it all. All of them, but I don't like to even like put out the stigma or like, I hate giving people information about like what I always want people to find out for themselves or other than just like I could tell you whatever about a location doesn't matter until you actually go and experience it. It won't hit the same, you know. Yeah, and I appreciate that because I think too, if you were to be putting out certain tidbits of information about one location, if you go in there to investigate, now you're going to be thinking about that and expecting that. And I think that could influence what your experience. Well, yeah, because you're looking for something specific when you do that. You're going to go in there looking for something specific, but you may miss other important pieces of information that we're still looking for. You know, like that's the, that's the cool

25:16thing about that. I guess that's what excites me about the most about these locations is that there's still a lot of mystery involved. Like we know there's activity and we know some of the we know a lot of the history and some more than others, of course, like some we know more about some locations and others, of course, but like that's so important to our research is like we find what we go in there and we'll figure out like we'll see what people are telling us like correlating names, dates, information, stuff like that and look into it, you know, and that's how we found out about uh, about Rhodes Ali, the uh girl at the Broadway funeral home, like ended up being like a disappointment child and they she was kept in the attic when they had a funeral going on because of whatever reason, but there's there's no pictures of her. The only record of her is her birth certificate. So the why did they keep her in the attic?

26:20Well, have you ever heard of a disappointment room? Actually, no. I kind of can figure out what that is. I've never heard that term exactly. So a disappointment room is where you would put a a disappointment child and a disappointment child back in the early 1900s, 1800s, who could be a child with a down syndrome, it could be a child with a deformity, somebody, just a child that you wouldn't want to present to everybody else. Oh, that breaks my heart. Yeah, it's a horrible, it was a horrible thing, especially for her because that attic would get hot as shit in the summer. But, you know, we wouldn't have known about her without us getting her name through Ghostboxes and EVPs and, you know, stuff like that and then when we found her birth record, we found her birth record and it's funny because like her father Christopher Broadwell, the guy who founded the funeral home, like he had other children and him, his wife and his other

27:28children, their lives are very well documented. Like you can find them, their birth certificate, the college, like the schools they went to, the colleges all the way up, their jobs and then you know, married, children, all that stuff. Rosalie, there's nothing except her birth record. Her birth certificate is the only thing that we can find on it. And it's funny because the people, when the owner bought the house, he said that his neighbors would sometimes come up to him and say, hey, I didn't know you had a little girl and he goes, I don't have any children and they would tell him, oh, well, there's a, you know, it looks like there's a little girl up in the attic window there. Oh wow. And he had no idea what they were talking about, like no idea what they were talking about. And then plus, you know, he said he had several contractors come in at different points and most of the several of them actually ended up like running out of the house, leaving their

28:29equipment refusing to come back, like tools, like, you know, power tools, like doing, it would work on a light fixture in one of the rooms and scared out of the room, it's scared out of the house because of something that he experienced. I mean, I've seen Poltergeist activity there. I've seen, I mean, it's a wild there, man. It is so wild. And little Rosalie is all part of that. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, but like, those are like, that's why the information that investigators find and stuff like that, like if we start getting common names that continue to show up and we don't have any documentation on them, then it's like a signal that, hey, you know, maybe we should look into this name, maybe we should look and see how this name correlates to the funeral home or to the Wendellan or to, you know, I mean, it's very important. Now, what's the best way for people to

29:31get information about coming to do an investigation, you know, in the different locations? Is it through Facebook or would you rather, is there a website they go to? Well, we are currently working on the website. We've actually got the domain name and everything. We've got it all. We're working on the calendar and stuff like that. But for now, it's just on Facebook, the Underground Paranormal Network Facebook page is where typically go. But I think almost all of the locations do have their own paranormal Facebook page, but like Father Johns is one that is not as a whole separate page that they run for like the restaurant, for the music and all that stuff. But I don't have, like I don't have a separate Facebook page for the Father John. So it's just typically through the Underground Paranormal Network. So everything really Underground Paranormal Network is where you

30:32would go to contact us about booking a location or finding out more information about a location. Because I originally saw the Wendellan and that's when I reached out to you because I was like this is a haunted restaurant bar. That would be awesome. Then I found this whole other thing in this Underground Paranormal Network. And then once I got to look into that page, I saw all of these other sites. And I found it so interesting. So Wendellan, definitely a cool one too. Wendellan has really, you know, and I found something that I've really found interesting. There's a guy General Anthony Wayne. I mean, and this was like free revolutionary war. I feel like because basically there was still the Spanish Indian war going on in defiance, which is just 20 minutes south of me. But so General Anthony Wayne was a General in the Army or yet his own army. And he came

31:34up from from Kentucky up through across the Ohio River up into Ohio. And it's just funny because he traveled up through where the Wendellan is like the Fort Recovery and St Henry are like right next to each other in Ohio. And they actually are usually the road that it's on is for Henry or no Fort Recovery St Henry road. And so where the Wendellan is is actually Native American landed and there could have been there were like settlements and stuff in that area. But General Anthony Wayne came up through there and they did fight a battle against the Native Americans in Fort Recovery. But the settlements for the Native Americans were over in the St Henry area. And so, you know, those it just makes you wonder how many of those guys, you know, the fathers and the young warrior

32:35men of the Native Americans went over and fought General Anthony Wayne and died didn't come home to their families. But then General Anthony Wayne continued to move north through the middle point area up through the defiance area where the Ogles villages up then he started moving east towards Toledo area up into Michigan. But it's just interesting that he that his army followed a path through at least three of our locations. That is interesting isn't it? That's just something like I don't know how I found this information. When I was researching the Wendellan is when I found it. But I was like dang, this dude actually like literally three of our locations were along his path. That is really interesting. Well, I don't know what that adds to the other two as well. I want to say thank you so

33:35much for taking the time to chat with me today. Yeah, I really appreciate it. And wherever you're listening, I'll just put a link right there to the to the page. Or you can just search for underground paranormal network on Facebook and you can find it as well. But I'll put a link. So you can just click on that super easy. But thank you so much for doing this Austin. This was really an interesting conversation. Yeah, absolutely. Well, you'll have to I'd love to come back on in the future and because they're still seemingly a lot that we didn't get to cover. Yeah, I would love that. Let's do a part two. Yeah, absolutely. I can talk about that for sure. And that wraps up our conversation about the underground paranormal network with Austin Maynard. For more information, you can find them on Facebook just search underground paranormal network. If you'd like access to all of our episodes, including the archive and advance episodes,

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