The Underground Paranormal Network, Part One | Grave Talks CLASSIC

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2:20a conversation with Austin Maynard. In 2018, Austin Maynard moved to Bryan, Ohio, a small town brimming with untapped history, mystery, and hauntings, where he founded the Underground Paranormal Network. It's a network of seven historic and haunted locations, each holding secrets waiting to be unraveled. Through this network, he's also transforming the community. His vision goes beyond investigation, because he saw an opportunity to not only shed light on these sites, but also to breathe the life into the community and preserve its rich heritage. Austin's contributions to the field of paranormal exploration don't stop there. He's a true trailblazer collaborating with equipment developers, ghost box builders, and innovative researchers, to push the boundaries of our understanding.

3:20His primary focus lies in instrumental trans communication, a field he's been researching and studying since 2017. In fact, he considers himself more of an experimentalist, rather than a researcher. Today on the Grave Talks, the Underground Paranormal Network, a conversation with Austin Maynard. So Austin, thank you so much for joining me today. Now you are the founder of the Underground Paranormal Network. Could you kind of describe what that is, and when you founded it, how it came about, that sort of thing. Yeah, I founded the Underground Paranormal Network in 2018, but it was basically, I just, I moved up to Brian O'Hyle in 2018, and when at that point, I had already, you know, I was into the paranormal field for a few years.

4:22My team and I, or my partner and I, Mike Ring, and Creepy Sense and Addy Paraphyrenzics, we were running the Higginsport School for a little while down in southern Ohio. But then when I moved up to Brian, I saw a bunch of these locations around the town, you know, like in 1869, Jail, you know, Father John's MicroBury. There's a grain elevator here. There's a whole bunch of stuff, and I just was like, you know, wow, these are amazing. And my dad was grew up in Brian. My dad was born and raised in Brian, and he's been a Williams County historian for 47 years. And so I grew up just appreciating history in general, but then like when I started getting like into the paranormal, and I started working with a lot of these locations, I really started to appreciate the architecture and the history on top of that. And so like I've realized that all of, like all of these small towns everywhere,

5:24all across the country, you know, there's just these untouched history. I mean, it's like all this stuff has been like crazy things that have happened. And nobody knows about them because it's in Brian, Ohio. Who the hell's ever heard of Brian, Ohio, right? You know, I just saw this, this lack of attention being brought. And so that's kind of where the underground paranormal network started was that it's supposed to be like, quote unquote, underground locations. Kind of like the underground music scene or the underground, you know, like the underground being just like the below the mainstream. And I just felt like, you know, we could really help bring a lot of attention to the history of these no-name places, you know. And I think it would be, it can be good for a lot of things. Like it can be good for the local economy because whenever we have people come out, you know, they got to eat at the local restaurants,

6:24stay in the local hotel or a local BNB. Like they're going to, you know, they're going to go to the local gas station and buy a bunch of snacks and stuff. Like it's tourism. There's a lot of, and plus the money that is brought in can help to preserve these haunted locations. And that's, or preserve these historic locations. And that's really like, part of the old goal is just like, you know, I'll be honest, we cannot bring in enough money to completely like, start taking care of all these major issues with some of the buildings, you know what I mean? We can only help to keep us standing. At least like, that's how we volunteer all of our labor. You know, we'll run events. We'll handle, you know, private bookings and private tours and everything. We'll keep the place clean and the owner. Like the owner will basically, we get,

7:26we rent out the building from the owner. And he every time we go in there, he gets paid. And he is supposed to be like, our intentions, of course, are like, you know, here's money. Please put it towards the building. Or please put it towards whatever. And if you need any labor, we can provide plenty of labor help for you. Even sometimes, because you know, a lot of these people out there are skilled tradesmen, you know, they have specific knowledge, specific skills with the right tools for certain things, some of them are licensed electricians, you know, licensed contractors, some like that, you know, that are willing to volunteer. And so like, it just seems like it's, it makes so much sense. Like why wouldn't, why shouldn't we do that? And there are small towns across the country that have these, well, not just small towns, let's just say cities, towns, or any size across the country that have these old buildings that are just standing there empty, can't afford to tear them down,

8:27nobody's taking care of them. And this is a way to actually kind of bring life back to these towns too. And these buildings make them useful again. And the whole, you know, it's definitely the whole. I just recently went on vacation. And we were going through Kansas City. And Kansas City's got a really cool old warehouse area, these old brick buildings that are just empty. And they're trying to revitalize them and turn them into apartments and do some things. But that takes money. And in small towns, you don't have investors. You're going to have like in a Kansas city. No, so really, you know, when you do a lot of the, like for our, for the buildings that we work with, for instance, like middle point school and the Broadwell funeral home, some of these places, you know, a lot of the work is just being done little bits at a time because that's what we can afford. You know, like one thing that I know we're going to be doing at middle point, the middle point school is like,

9:29when the owner bought it several years ago, before we even started working, like there was a lot of water damage in the gymnasium. Like the floor is, you know, was soaked. But he fixed the roof area. But like over and over time, that would dry. But now it's like rotted. And so as you walk in certain parts of the gym floor, you know, the floor will crack beneath you fall in. I mean, it's not like a huge fall. I mean, it's like a couple inches that you go down. But still, I mean, we need to figure out. We've been talking about doing work on that for a long time. And so now like our goal, the owner found a lot, basically a lot of big, big plywood boards. And so essentially we're going to be like that, some of the stuff that we're doing for as far as like, just keeping the building at least safe. And because we're going to completely cover the gym floor with plywood.

10:30And then eventually we're going to put new gym flooring on it. Like put just completely, but we have to be able to completely, you know, there's a lot of beams and bows beams of wood and floor panels that are bowed up just from the overtime and everything. So like we have to, we have to completely level the floor out. And the first step of that obviously is, you know, completely covering it with plywood. But, you know, little steps, little things chipping out. And just little things at a time can help preserve the locations. And if, you know, if the locations eventually will blow up, you know, go mainstream and just, you know, because some of these places really do. You know, if we can start making, you're bringing in enough money then a lot of these bigger repairs can be done. But at the, you know, we're just, we're limited. And I'm the underground paranormal network at this point is really, well, I mean, from the start, it's been trying to create something out of nothing essentially.

11:34And I mean, we've been able to take it in good ways, but there's still a lot of work to be done. Now, when you looked at these various locations, because how many would, do you do six or seven in there, something like that? Yeah, seven. Seven. So, when you found these seven locations, did you go in first and do some paranormal investigating? Because, you know, you would drive by these places. And you might go, that place is haunted. But you don't know until you get in it. You just get that feeling or it just looks like a haunted place. Did you go in each of them and kind of do a little investigation first? Well, really a lot of the locations were, well, I wouldn't say a lot of them. Let me think, I would say the Murphy building, the funeral homes, the Wendell Inn, and the Ogleys village were all brought to my attention by my partners, Mike Ring and Eric Moore.

12:35And, you know, so like anything in the south, like the Murphy building, the back-and-time important was what it's called, the Broadway funeral home in the Wendell Inn. Actually, Mike was called out to these locations by the owners, reporting activity. And so, he went and did an investigation. And, you know, he would have, he had some crazy interactions at each of these locations. And then he would talk to the owner a little bit, kind of talk to him about what we do. And then I would get, you know, and then once I would talk to the owners, I would go out there, you know, like the Murphy building is a good close to five hour drive for me. So, like the ones that I found were here in Bryan were, well, and Middlepoint to, Middlepoint School, I found just doing research. But the Bryan, the 1869 jail and Father Johns were local. And those ones I knew the owners, I got in touch with them.

13:39And now we have a great working relationship. But I eventually, yes, I've always, I always go in and do my own investigation before I even put it out there for people because I don't want to like, you know, I want to make sure for one, this is actually active or I'm at least getting some activity. And then there's some kind of history that can help to explain it. But, you know, in a lot of these end up just starting out as kind of like, there's mysteries, right? And then the longer that we go on, the more we investigate, the more we research, we find out more and more information, you know, that's just how it goes. What got you interested in the paranormal? I think it's interesting that your dad's kind of the town historian there. So I could see how that got you interested in history. But what got you interested in the paranormal? Well, to be honest, I've been interested in the paranormal or the supernatural of my life,

14:39you know, and I was a kid, I was like, looking, you know, I would rent books from the library about, you know, the like cryptids and aliens and all that stuff. But I never really got into the afterlife until I suffered a sudden cardiac arrest, lethal arrhythmia when I was 18. And like, they didn't really know what caused it or whatever, they still I've still don't know what caused it. But I was in a coma for three days. And I was in the hospital for 11 total, but I suffered from like short-term memory loss. A severe concussion, run a low inhibition. But I was, you know, I collapsed and was kind of without oxygen in my brain for several minutes. Oh, wow. And so, and they, honestly, like, when they brought me to the hospital, they even brought the paperwork to my parents about,

15:42you know, you know, me donating my organs, you know, because they genuinely thought I was going to be in a vegetative state. And so I think that's what kind of triggered my curiosity, at least, because that's what made me want, like, that I was gone, I was basically gone. But then I came back because I was essentially going to be an empty vessel. You know, if that's what I was going to be in a vegetative state, right? You know, but when I came back, it just made me wonder, like, what in the world? And so the more I dove into it, like, the more questions I have now than anything. I was not ready for that answer. I thought you were going to say something like, well, when I was a kid, I lived in a haunted house, or you had to answer it. Yeah, a lot of times it is. And so I wasn't ready for that. I'm so glad you're okay now. Can't imagine what your parents were going through. It's hard to even talk to them about it,

16:47because they get really, really emotional. And I mean, I can't, I don't understand what they're where they're coming from, because obviously I was the one that was unconscious. And they were there to, like, go through all that, you know, and that's, I can't imagine how difficult that must have been. But, you know, it definitely, it's, it's a hard topic anymore. It's a hard thing to talk about because, you know, obviously, for obvious reasons. But everything's been good. I've, it's been since 2009, I think, is when it happened. June 5th, 2009, what happened? Can't imagine. And something like that, really, if it doesn't change your life, something's wrong with you. If you don't have an experience like that and you just keep going about like it never happened, I mean, that is a life-changing experience. And it really would make you wonder what's on the other side. Why was I so close? You're kind of straddling here

17:50in there for a while. Oh, yeah. And I mean, also, maybe, really, it made me learn to appreciate life. I appreciate things a lot more than I used to. You know, and that could just be with age, but I feel like, you know, I feel like I have a different perspective on it because, you know, death can come literally at any time. I was 18 years old. And it came. You know, and so, what was to say when it happened later today? Right. Just, I just have to do my best to be the best person that I can be the best husband that I can be, you know, and do what I can to dive in as much as I can before I go. You know, so it's definitely, I open. I can see where an experience like that because I've talked to several people who've had near death experiences. And it's really led them to a fascination with the other side and what's out there and that we don't know about.

18:52And why can't you communicate with the other side? It's, you know, it's all energy, right? And oh, yeah, I mean, I mean, that's kind of why I started like diving into instrumental transcommunication. Like I dive heavy, heavy into ITC. If you would explain ITC. Well, instrumental transcommunication or ITC is essentially using electronic devices to communicate with the unseen or the unknown, whatever you want to call it. But I mean, this can, there's so many different forms of it. ITC is such a vague umbrella term because like doing EVPs. That's a form of ITC. You're looking for manipulation of the frequencies within these devices. And so that's really like what what the focus of ITC is and that can be anything from the EVPs. It can be a spirit boxes or ghost boxes. It can be using devices like the avalus or you know,

19:56there's a such a wide range. In your experimentation with the different devices, have you come across anything or maybe you've developed something or kind of tweak something in a way that works better for you? As far as seeing this is why like I've I've kind of ruined myself. I guess one of those certain things because I've done I'm at a point now in my in my research and my experimentation that I don't necessarily believe that we're talking to dead people anymore. I start to I think there's something more along the lines of either like something from a parallel existence like what we would call interdimensional or or even possibly you know I don't I can get really deep into it like I honestly believe that it's something within the dark matter. Something within the the particles that are not able to interact with photons which are light and light

21:00particles or waves. And so like anything that we can't see is filled with some kind of matter that we don't know what it is. And so you know what I mean like so I think there's something within that and I think that the frequencies the radio frequencies are radio frequencies are universal. I mean they exist on all ends of ours on all ends of the universe. And so I would imagine if they live in this existence and it's just something where we can't we can't see them or interact with them because they don't react along our electromagnetic spectrum. I mean that doesn't mean they're not there and there's got to be I think that it's something within that. So I'm devices really to me I'm looking at a combination of frequencies almost like a pin code to try to unlock or to what we got to do to bridge that gap. But I'm also looking at direct manipulation of frequencies. So like some

22:06of I work with a guy JW prayther of IDC devices. He builds like devices like the direct link which is used on a number of TV shows. But his devices scan the FM spectrum and not just the 875 or whatever to you know 108 one you know not just that range. He's going down to like 73 megahertz all the way up to like 115 megahertz and then having 10 steps in between each 100 of the megahertz I guess. So like it would be like 73.10 73.11 73.12 and then he's randomly jumping around. So like no two frequencies no two consecutive frequencies are actually played out consecutive. And so for one you got that element of no radio bleed through plus two the way that he makes the devices is

23:15you can actually record audio every step of the way along the circuitry along the path of the audio circuits because what we've noticed is that there's times where everything okay so here's an example in a circuit path an audio circuit path. Through a simple ghost box you would have your radio tuner audio that goes into a echo in reverb circuit which then goes into the amplifier which then goes into the speaker so there's like four steps along the way maybe some things in between but it's all those are the circuits. And it does not skip steps right it doesn't audio and voltage does not like jump and skip a circuit it has to go it has to follow the path. Right. And so everything that comes out of the tuner by the time he gets to the speaker it should come out with echo in reverb if you have those effects turned up. So everything everything that comes

24:15out of that tuner should have echo in reverb but then there are those times where we'll get voices that come through that don't have echo in reverb even even though the voices before and after had echo in reverb but there was just that one voice or like two or three words that would come through in between like maybe give like two seconds in between each station there's three words that come through that don't that don't echo that don't reverb and so we're trying to figure out how how that happens was because it doesn't work that way. It shouldn't happen. No it should not happen at all and so what we've just we've you did JW it calls these direct applied voices or DAVs and a direct applied voice is literally like it is imprinting its voice at a certain point along the path of the circuit like it's actually putting itself in there or it's manipulating the

25:18frequencies in there to create the speech that we hear but regardless it's not coming from the tuner it's not coming from the radio and so with that's like those are some of the things that we're looking at and we can record from every step along in between each circuit to see where the manipulation is happening and we're finding it happening after the amplifier board which is interesting yeah because that means that between coming out of the echo reverb board and out of the amplifier in that somewhere in there something is putting its voice in there now what in the world and how and how exactly and this is just some of the stuff that we're looking at that's so interesting yeah but this is that's why I dive into it so much is because I believe that there is

26:19so much more to this than the mass belief system would tell us you know the rampads and the K2s and the forward and backward SB7s and all this stuff you know it's like I mean those are great for you know and those are just kind of the generalized everybody's got one you know what what else is it really telling us kind of thing and I just wasn't satisfied with that stuff not to say that other people you know they believe in them and that's great you know if they have everybody has their own reasons for being in the community or being in the field I mean I kind of take maybe I take a little bit of wrongful offense to to a one people call themselves like researchers or experimenters but they're like the weekend ghost honors there's a really researcher is different than you're going out ghost hunting but it to be fair I don't even consider myself to be a real

27:20like an extreme researcher I'm more of an experimentalist trying to see what happens but the thing is like with each experiment I end up with more questions that I just continue to to follow it's a it's a paranormal rabbit hole like a supernatural rabbit hole you just keep going down going down oh my god it's so true though and like the more you dive into it the less I believe in the the mainstream belief system you know what I mean the more I think that that it's just not like this it's I don't believe that what we what I was taught when I came in is true at all anymore I believe it's way deeper there's a way there's so many more aspects to this that I think we're not paying attention to or we haven't even realized yet you know my sister and I just had a long conversation about the whole parallel universe thing like could there be this parallel thing that sometimes you cross over into ours and it's so like the way you're talking about

28:26as way like ours was like a very basic basic conversation but it's like I because like there's something else going on yeah and you know a lot of us were into this and listening to this podcasters a reason you're listening to it we've so many people have had an experience hearing voices hearing footsteps there's something there that woke me up in the middle of the night walking down the hall yeah I don't know what that was your mind like your mind and I'm my mind they're not the same I cannot do what you're doing but I love that you're just going with it and trying to figure it out I mean I don't I think it's because I came to the realization a while back that like in our lifetime everything that we're doing I even the people that are doing the deepest most well-funded research that you could possibly have like I don't think that we are going to legitimately find

29:31proof like scientific proof of of what we're looking at right now or what we're looking for right not in our lifetime do you do you even know if you were to find something or is there something like that little holy grail that you could say that was what I was looking for well do you even know would you know it if you found it I think we would recognize we would recognize that I think we would I think we would but it would we don't know what exactly it is that we're like what kind of data we're looking for specifically and so most of us are just looking for anomalies within certain aspects of the data but also trying to do our best to eliminate possible false positives so that's why I love you know the random scan and like you know what I mean I love I want to do everything that I possibly can to eliminate false positives false

30:33you know outside contamination stuff like that and I don't think that in our lifetimes we're going to be able to find it but what we're doing now is going to inspire future generations hopefully you know they'll take you know some of the some of the stuff that we couldn't figure out now and then they'll be able to look at it with better technology better like simpler things that they could do a hundred years from now they look at this and be like oh I could do that way better and I can also do this isn't this with it it's like but I mean because like the way that we're inspired by guys like Frank Sumpton and you know I'm very inspired by guys like Steve Haltay and Katie Stafford JW Prater like these guys are my best friends but like I the that inspiration they learned from Frank's function and like that but Frank's function you know he's no longer around and look how far the I see the Ghostbox community has come from when Frank's function initially invented the automatic sweeping radio to where we are now like I can't even

31:39imagine by the time 100 years from now as fast as technology is already advanced in the last 10 years right now in your experiences with going into these different locations when something does happen you you know that maybe you heard something you can't explain a voice footsteps you know common things that a lot of us have experienced right how do you deal with that information because I'm kind of like I don't know what that was but with you have more of a scientific brain can you ever just accept like that happened I got oh that was weird don't give me wrong I definitely believe that I recognize activity I recognize I believe in it I like I'm I almost work under the assumption that they are there you know I mean I hate to say that but like that is the case anybody that's actually doing like ITC work or doing anything that's like I guess what I

32:43do at least is under that assumption but I think it depends on this it depends on the situation of course and like how crazy or what the activity was like if it was like some footsteps or or whatever like I don't really look at that kind of stuff like I don't really but I mean yeah it's hard to say either way like some of that stuff like I don't think that I could take evidence if I feel like I can't take it to a skeptic and convince them of that then I'm not going to look at it but um some of those things if it's like you know a door opening or closing by itself of course you know I'm gonna go over there and I'm my first instinct is that it was not a ghost it was not I don't know I have to go under that assumption and if I can if I can if I can't find a good like logical explanation for it but I've always been under the assumption or I work under the assumption

33:47if there's a even an unlikely scenario a natural scenario where it unlikely you know what I mean like the perfect storm of things for this to happen naturally like I would go with that answer before I would go with the ghost something being paranormal but I mean it just really yeah it really depends on what it is and that wraps up part one of our conversation about the underground paranormal network with Austin Maynard for more information find them on Facebook underground paranormal network if you'd like access to all of our episodes including the archive in advance episodes everything commercial free you could become a grave keeper sign up on apple podcast where you can try it for three days free or go to patreon.com slash the grave talks and find everything there I'm Carol Hughes and for all of us here at the grave talks thank you very much for listening

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