The Two Aces: Dylan Cease And Kevin Gausman

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Welcome to Baseball isn't boring.

Here's your host.

Rob Rhett.

I just got back from Dunedin, Florida.

In case you don't know, Florida spring trains a whole lot different than Arizona spring training

because you have to drive all over the place.

In this case, two and a half hours up to Dunedin from where I'm base camped and for Myers.

But that's okay.

It was all worth it.

All worth it.

Because I got to catch up with two of my favorite pitchers in all baseball.

And they both pitch for the Toronto Blue Jays now.

That's Dylan Seas and Kevin Gosman.

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Not only are they really good pitchers, but they're really good on the podcast.

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Once again, great podcast with two of our favorites.

Dylan C's Kevin Goss.

And first up is going to be Dylan.

And then we'll get to Kevin.

I'm really, really glad I got a chance to catch up with both of them

when you wanted to do it for a while.

And obviously, you know, since I was in Dunedin,

that was going to be a priority.

Sure, watch a little baseball.

But sitting down with Dylan and Kevin, that was a priority.

All right. First up, Dylan and then Kevin.

All right.

There is absolutely no human being on the planet

that I would be talking to more than Dylan C's.

Always, when the words always come out of my mouth

and Dylan sit in front of me, I'm like, OK, that feels right.

So I'm glad.

Oh, thank you.

No, it's true.

It's true, it's true.

Well, I don't know if you remember the last time we talked

you were in the San Diego Padres.

Yeah, I do remember that.

Yeah, I do.

And you had said that what I was also saying,

well, if you win the World Series, we're going to tattoo.

And you said, if you get me maybe a little bit deeper

in the celebration.

Yeah.

So I'll come out of the gate.

If you win the World Series,

well, you get a baseball support tattoo.

Or is it the same answer?

I'll consider it.

I'm not going to commit to it now, but I'll definitely consider it.

All right. Well, it's a long seat.

It's a long seat.

It's a long seat too.

Oh, we both do.

Yeah, we both.

Mr. Joe is the man.

I'd consider it.

I definitely would consider it.

OK. All right.

Mr. Cartoon, we both have the same tattoo right here.

You don't have to get the same one.

But thank you for your consideration.

Yeah.

Thank you for all your support of the cars.

Of course.

And yeah, it's new represent all that is good in the game.

Thank you.

And so here's a cliche question.

How are things different?

Like, I think I saw you briefly at the press conference

of the winner meetings.

Yeah.

Which is always a sort of a weird thing.

Yeah.

I don't know if you feel comfortable.

It's like that's.

I mean, there's a lot going on.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, it's very a lot going off those.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So, you passed that.

Yeah.

Now you're here in the, what I, it's like,

Oz of baseball.

It's like out of nowhere.

It's just incredible.

Anyway, how is this different?

I always find that interesting from team to team to team.

How is this different?

Well, it's a little bit difficult to match with X.

I don't have, you know, regular season experience

still very early.

You know, I don't like playing the comparing game or anything.

But I can say that Florida screen training is most definitely

different than Arizona.

I actually like in terms of the way the ball moves.

It's more true.

Yeah, Arizona balls.

It's funky there.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's not quite as sharp.

So, I'm pitching perspective just being in Florida is different.

I mean, this facility is immaculate, you know.

It reminds me, and it's kind of sad to say,

it's like those really high-end college football.

Yeah.

That's what that's all about.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I feel like they've been more advanced in us for a while, you know.

But that's a thing not to interrupt you.

But like when they said, we're showing Otani around the need

and I'm like, why are you showing them around?

Then you get here.

Like, okay, I got it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's definitely cutting edge.

It's definitely, it's got to be one of the top in class for sure.

So, why you're easing into this?

Listen, it's, you have a rotation of good arms.

But when you sign a deal, like, it is like you become sort of an alpha,

more of an alpha.

And I don't want to put, I don't want to put it.

Yeah, yeah.

But it's just a different existence that you have lived before.

Would that be better?

Yeah.

I mean, in a sense, I mean, yeah, there's a bigger investment into me.

There's, you know, of course.

But, I mean, from my point of view,

it's still I have to go on perform and execute.

So, I don't really feel like, uh,

I don't maybe I'm a little less anxious if I'm running a little behind or whatever.

But, uh, no, I mean, it's, it's really pretty much all the same.

You know, obviously, yeah, there's a bigger investment and there's more expected.

But, um, I kind of always just expected the same thing on myself.

Yeah, I mean, when we cut up last year, I said, like,

you're good, like, dear,

I'm always going to pick you at the top of the sci-on, top five sci-on.

And do you feel like that you're more prepared now than ever before?

Because when we all learn, right?

Yeah.

I like where my throwing is now more than really at any point last year.

I never got any rhythm last year.

Uh, so, you know, from that perspective,

I really like where I'm at.

I'm still, it's still early and I still am fine tuning and feel a bit raw.

But, uh, I really like the progress I've made down here.

What do you do?

Why?

Uh, just some mechanical things, uh, feel, feel oriented things.

Um, so, yeah, it's, it's hard to explain.

But, yeah, I imagine, like, how the ball's going on my hand.

I like science.

I like science.

It's not science.

It ain't science.

No, no.

It ain't science.

But you, but you also, but again, you're good at evolving.

And like, that's the thing.

And it's, try to be, try to be, you know, I mean, I've,

I've had some inconsistencies in my career.

And eventually it's like, you either figured out or you don't.

So, uh, it's frustrating not to perform on a high level.

And, uh, yeah, I guess historically, I've always eventually figured it out.

You know, now we're, we're trying to get to the point where it's,

maybe instead of seasonal slumps, it's, it's, you know, less and less time.

But, uh, yeah, like I said, I'm not really like where I'm at.

Do you feel, one of the things we talked about was being in a contract here.

And you never know until you know, now that you look back out of it at it was,

did you, was that a thing that you had to fend off at all?

Uh, I mean, I really didn't stress about it too much.

Um, you know, I guess it's always in the back of your mind.

I think more from an injury perspective.

You know, I mean, yeah, it would be devastating to give five, six years of,

really good performance and something happened in it cost you.

Um, I don't know, I never really focused too hard on that.

I think we start focusing on stuff like that.

It really is harder to perform.

But it's hard, you're a human being.

Yeah, of course.

Yeah, I mean, that, that, that's always an element of things.

But, yeah, I mean, that definitely is going to be my mind for, for a while now.

So now it's really just, uh, yeah, I mean, to figure out how to continue to be,

to be the best picture I can be.

Yeah.

How, so then when you get to the end of the year and you've probably been asked this before,

about how was it?

Like when you, just like you don't ever do a contract here,

you've never been that free agency before.

How was that?

Because patients that would be patient, trust the process, all that stuff.

How was it for you?

I mean, it's, yeah, I mean, it's fine.

Yeah, I wasn't like the most excited.

You know, obviously getting a lot of money is exciting, all that.

It's great.

It's life changing, but I don't know, man, I mean.

But I don't know if like, so I don't know if you're like, oh, tell me how many teams are interested.

You don't know how many teams are interested?

No, I know.

I was very, I just kind of let Scott sort of go through things.

And he gave, he always gave updates and good information.

And other than that, I didn't stress about it really.

You know, I was much more focused on just getting my body ready for the upcoming season.

Because at the end of the day, I know it was going to be, I thought, you know, hopefully it's going to be something substantial.

So I'm going to be taking care of either way.

And really, I just want to live up to whatever I sign more.

And I want to be great.

So that was more of a priority than, you know, sitting up, assessing the exact dollar amount or exactly where I was going to land.

Is there a sense of once you happen to this sense of like, okay, security.

Again, things I've never gone through anything like this.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, for sure.

I mean, it's, you know, to me, it's then it's like the, okay, we got to make it through physicals and got it, you know.

Got to, got to make it through some hoops.

But yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, undeniably, there's definitely some security involved.

Did you, did you treat yourself?

You know, other than buying a lot of vintage t-shirts, I really haven't.

Did you really?

Yeah.

Oh, I see, I saw that.

I haven't gone crazy.

So there's things in the work I'm trying to work on.

That's not really like, yeah, it's buying things.

Yeah, it's buying things, but it's like not buying material things.

Okay.

So, and obviously the courses, the, yeah, I've got different things.

I like investing into and trying to grow.

So I find that to be more fun than just buying things.

But buying things is also very fun.

So maybe we'll do a little bit more.

Can you tell me, I know that you, the vintage t-shirt thing.

Can you tell me a little bit about that?

Yeah, I just like vintage t-shirts and some crew necks.

And if I go on eBay or wherever and I find something, you know, I'll get it.

I like it.

I mean, a lot of the shirts are culturally significant.

Some of them just look good.

Yeah.

Others like designs or some of them, I think, are funny.

Or whatever it is.

You know, it's just, I've enjoyed collecting them.

I think I'm a collector at heart.

Are you?

So I've, you know, it's fun to collect.

So again, I always enjoy whether it's, you know, I've said this to you before.

I'm born away about the poem that you wrote for us.

Ten minutes after I get off the poem with you.

And that was before AI.

Right?

That was not AI.

I can, I can get my mind into this space where I can rhyme.

It was incredible.

I don't know what that is.

I can't, I'm not, you know, if you put me on stage to freestyle.

I can, I can rhyme things.

So in case people don't know, like we, you did a podcast.

I said, that would be great if you write a poem about baseball.

It's been boring in ten minutes later.

You said me one.

You know, it was like, it was not AI.

This was.

Yeah, I was pretty.

I can do it.

Yeah.

No.

What else are you interested in?

I know that's a big question.

Yeah.

But I, I'm interested in what you're interested in.

What else am I interested in?

That's new.

Anything?

Any hobbies?

No, I used to vintage t-shirt.

Yeah.

If that's your hobby, I guess that would be the newest hobby.

But what is your best vintage t-shirt?

So if I got it, I got an Aladdin Grail.

A really cool Aladdin one from, from 92 or 93.

It's the second rarest one or the second biggest grill in the space.

The first one is, I don't think it's as cool to be honest.

And it's way more money so I've bought it.

Really?

I like the one I got.

So I have a task for you because you're part of our family.

Yeah.

Joe and I have started the baseballs and boring business at LCs.

So we have a store now.

Yeah.

We started with baseballs and boring in Spanish and WBC stuff.

Right.

I need ideas.

You're an idea guy.

Yeah.

So honestly, so you know, Joe, Joe has been a wife actually.

Like the idea is we want to make sure that whatever we do is going to be good.

Okay.

So in terms of merchandise.

So his baseball isn't, so we have, I'll show you all the stuff after.

Yeah.

But it's the B.I.B.

And whatever.

So, but I don't ask this of everybody.

It's good.

But I honestly believe like because you have, like Joe, like Joe, like Joe, I trust.

He's going to have a better sense of this stuff than I will.

Yeah.

You're going to have a different sense than Joe, but a better sense than I would.

Yeah.

So I just want you to noodle it.

Like I'll, we'll stay in communication, but, but I do want.

We could call it the Dylan Seas line if you want.

If you want.

No, I give you 15%.

If you want.

But, but you know, but that's like, that seems like it's up to your alley, like creating.

You know, I have thought, because I actually did a painting recently.

And I did.

It was a very Toronto themes painting.

Okay.

And I did look at it and go, hmm, it'd be kind of cool to put this element on a crew neck.

You know, it'd be kind of cool to do something like that.

Can we do that?

Yeah.

Potentially.

I mean, the thought's definitely crossed my mind, but I'm also like, I almost want to keep this building

more of a resume and quit baseball before I do stuff.

No, no, I know.

But this is, I'm not asking you to, like, this be like, that's like a bit easier.

No, I know what you mean.

And I'm just saying, like, in terms of making it, making it significant, it really is, comes, if you perform on the field,

Yeah.

You know, people like you know, significant items.

Right.

It's like, I have these ideas.

We're like, oh, yeah, I want to perform on the field.

Be a significant player.

Yeah.

And go from there.

No, I, I get that.

I even if it's just, if it's nothing, Blue Jays related, if it's nothing, just anything you think would be cool.

How we talk for sure.

Yeah.

In hats too.

Like anything.

Like, I just, I love like how like creative you are.

Yeah.

So anyway, it's a, it's a double edged sword.

I definitely, I'm definitely more creative than I am, like a linear thinker.

Or others.

But does that, this last, like, does that, I know this is a cliche question.

Probably I see that.

But when you pitch, does that, because I know that's not a lot of thinking, honestly, when you're pitching is really not a lot of thinking.

Do you call, do you, do you, do you, do you call your pitches or sometimes?

Yeah, sometimes I want to get to something.

I prefer letting the catcher trust in the catcher and kind of having a game plan beforehand.

But, yeah, in the moment, I mean, there's definitely some, some pitches all shaped to.

Okay.

All right.

Well, I think we solve a lot of the world's problems today.

Yeah, I do.

I do too.

So it takes me.

There is no human being on the planet that are rather be talked to more than Kevin Gosman right now.

In fact, always the case.

It's always the case.

I want to talk about something you want to talk about.

So I want to talk about, which is, could be anything.

It's personal.

Is there anything you want to talk about?

I want to make, like, anything hobbies, new hobbies or anything.

Because I feel like, like, I'm just, I'm swooping into Blue Jays camp.

And I feel the same question.

So.

No, nothing really.

So you're getting into paint by the numbers.

Oh, yeah.

So it's like, what is that?

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They send you like a template for some type of painting.

And then you just, they give you the paint that's got the number on it.

And you just kind of put it where the numbers are.

How did, yeah, I haven't heard paid by numbers since I was like third grade.

I know paid by numbers.

And then obviously like the end results are awesome.

But my, my question is like, how did this happen?

Honestly, I don't know.

My wife kind of got into it.

So then you know, once they left like about a week ago, I was like,

I got a lot of free time right now.

Okay.

You know, the afternoons are pretty slow.

Yeah.

So I've just been, yeah, just painting.

I feel like hobbies in spring training or should be a whole like thing.

They should, yeah.

I mean, I would just, we just had sunny gray on.

And his love of trees.

You know, took, took me back a little bit.

That's pretty funny.

It's good.

So anybody else like have good, like because golf is like golf is golf, right?

Yeah.

Because you get a pass of time, like, right?

Yeah.

I mean, it's usually, there's usually a couple guys who kind of got some weird things going on.

I know C's kind of does some painting, but I think he does like kind of free land.

He's part of the family.

Yeah.

So wait, wait, I just showed you something in shirts where the, how's it going?

And I said, and he actually said he had a painting that he wanted to put on one of the shirts.

No.

Yeah.

He does a lot of hobbies.

Yeah.

It's interesting.

Yeah.

So for you, like, to go, this sort of goes to the personality of everything.

One of the things that I love about your clubhouse, I love about you.

Like, it's just like this, hey, you know what?

We're securing ourselves.

We can show our personalities.

And that topic for me is like in baseball is important.

For you, do you think that, I know it's a big broad cliche question, but do you think baseball is doing that enough?

Do our guys show their personalities enough?

And I'm not talking about like on Instagram because that's controlled, right?

But do you think they are showing their personality enough baseball players?

Or could they do it more?

Well, I think the majority of baseball players are pretty weird guys.

That's why I mean, though.

You know, so I think guys know that and they kind of try to keep their cards to the chest a little bit.

Okay.

You know, if everybody was, you know, explaining how weird everyone is, I think it would be a little too much.

But yeah, you know, it's just, I don't really know what more to say, but they just, you know,

baseball guys just have, I've been around weirder baseball guys than I have.

In real life?

Yeah, really.

You know, I think one, I think we play so much that you need some kind of outlet, you know, to kind of keep sane.

So guys kind of divulge into all different types of hobbies or, you know, new things.

You know, I know a couple years ago for us here, it was photography.

We had like a group of guys who kind of started buying some cameras, doing the film camera thing,

and that turned into a thing for like a whole year.

You know, but honestly, it kind of changes every year, like, you know, we had a group of guys last year

who really begin to like the cards.

Oh, yeah.

It's like the baseball star.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Buying and selling those.

Yeah.

You know, so it's usually always something that the team kind of gets behind.

Yeah.

But yeah, I just think a lot of guys don't necessarily want to share that, which is perfectly fine.

No, I get it.

I get it.

It's, you know, not to be old man yelling at clouds, but it also used to be where, you know,

media coming to clubhouse.

I was in clubhouses with Dustin Betroya screaming and yelling or tees.

I talked to Ortiz about this the other day.

But it's different now.

Like, you know, I'm not like who's going to tweet, whatever.

Oh, yeah, sure.

Right.

So it's just different.

I think too.

Nowadays, you open yourself up to, you know, the more you share, the more you open yourself up to.

You know, the more you're hearing about that, you know, while you're playing or, you know,

someone kind of using that as like, you're looking at it as like a disadvantage, you know.

From the media for not from the other players.

From everybody.

You know, so I think a lot of guys know that, you know, they're kind of trying to be on their best behavior for the most part all the time.

So I think, you know, I think media has been great for a lot of things.

I think when it comes to that, it's probably been kind of the hindrance.

Well, an example that jumps to mind was last year.

And I like, when you did the flame thrower thing, right?

You tweet out looking for a flame throw.

We talked about this.

It's like, I thought you were talking about a hundred-mile an hour picture.

You were talking about a little flame throw.

Yeah.

But, but any little thing, because people are any little thing,

like you're just like, whatever.

You're like, I'm just sitting around.

It might be a good clubhouse celebration.

Yeah.

But it takes off, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So when did you feel comfortable, like more comfortable in this being,

have you always felt comfortable?

I mean, when you were coming up hydraphic or else whatever,

I don't know if you felt as comfortable as you do now.

Or there was a time where like, hey, I can just be myself.

It's okay.

Yeah, I would probably say like maybe my last year in Baltimore,

I felt like I kind of earned the right to be able to be myself a little bit more.

But as a young guy, I think I just, you know, as a young player,

I think I just was around a lot of guys who, for whatever reason,

kind of taught me, like being different from everyone else,

maybe wasn't a good thing.

So I would just kind of stay to myself and maybe wasn't as like,

outgoing as I normally would be.

But that's just because no one else was doing it.

So I didn't feel like I kind of could.

I didn't want to make it look like I was wanting attention.

Yeah.

I guess.

But you don't want to piss off the elders.

Yeah.

Yeah, pretty much I just had a lot of old guys that were like,

hey, just like, you know, keep your head down and kind of keep moving.

Has that changed, you think?

Like, not only with you,

but I think that changed for the better all around baseball.

Yeah.

I think young guys come up now and feel like they can kind of be

who they are.

Or at least hopefully they feel like they can be who they are.

I know an article about us, that's the case.

Like, they can be whoever they want to be.

And they're not going to get any hate for that.

Yeah.

You know, now if they're doing stuff that maybe needs someone to like,

tell them, hey, maybe we shouldn't be doing this.

Then obviously we'll handle that, but for the most part

who they are as individuals and how they want to express themselves,

like, it's kind of free range now.

It's good though.

I mean, I've talked about this a lot.

It seems so simple because you want the plate.

If you're up here, they want you to be good.

You're being relied on to be good.

And you're going to be the best version of yourself

if you feel good about yourself.

Yeah.

I don't know if I'm too simplistic about it or not.

No, I agree.

I think you're only going to play at the highest of your level

when you feel like you can be yourself.

Yeah.

I think if you're always worried about looking over your shoulder

or that you're doing something wrong, you're not going to...

One, you've got to learn on your own.

Sometimes you have to learn the hard way to be able to be like,

oh, well, obviously I shouldn't do that.

Or, you know, maybe I should be out for stretch early

so that I'm not late for stretch.

You know, or those little things.

But I think it's great.

I think being a young guy in baseball right now

is a lot better than it was when I came up.

You know, you're not nearly asked to do as many embarrassing things.

Well, also, not only being a young guy,

but going to a new team, like you've done this, right?

Twice, twice.

And you have new guys.

And everyone's coming from a different world.

I mean, you have Dylan who's coming from his world, right?

And he's got a sort of eclectic person.

Oh, he's just awesome.

And you've Oklahoma who is...

I can't imagine what that's like.

Yeah.

But you guys...

You're a clubhouse.

You went to the Game 7 of the World Series

because you watched part because you have a good clubhouse.

Yes, it's turned over, but the foundation of clubhouse

and even those new guys are coming in,

you guys know how to treat them and accept them.

Yeah.

I mean, you guys fear.

I'm like straight.

Yeah.

No, I...

I see.

No, I just...

It's all right to have new guys.

Yeah, for sure.

Especially if you like have good guys like yourself.

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I'm Spencer, and I work at United Healthcare.

Suspenser, why do you care?

I care because my daughter, Adeline, has special needs.

I am motivated by Adeline who inspires me every day.

I am driven to help families like mine navigate the healthcare system.

I'm so blessed to lead an amazing team at United Healthcare focusing on

the member experience and making that better.

I'm Spencer, and I'm committed to care.