The Truth About Getting Canceled

0:00Muslim violence welcome back to the good guys podcast. Josh, if somebody you know, not me, of course, maybe it's me. I don't want to put that out in the ether though. Somebody you know gets canceled tomorrow. Are you publicly coming to their defense or are you homer simpsoning right back into that bush? Thank you for teaming me up. This podcast is 100% Timmy Shalame all day. Go to the intro. Two Jews both big and tall no subject too small for the good guys. I'm on the stream premium podcast team make it you weekly routine. It's a good guys and if you don't give us five stars, what are you nuts? What are you nuts? Get with the good guys and have the great guys. We're just good and good and good guys. I'm done with this. I am done with this man being joked about for the most innocuous bullshit comment.

1:02You know, the great Jesse Metcalf was here last week and I hadn't really seen the context of the comment. I had just read the headline the rest the way everyone did and I was like, oh, who cares? It wasn't it was a dumb thing to say. I'm not even going that far because if you really hear the entire conversation, he literally said nothing and this is so us and by us, I mean, not you and me, I mean, by the Hollywood elite, which we are not. This is so that we are not we wish zeros, big zeros. Hello. I can see us. Losers. If only. No, I don't want it at all. We're the we're losers, three O's. This is so like them to build this guy up as the second coming and then the moment he says even something remotely not acceptable, boom, they rip him down. Look, I think it has everything to do, unfortunately, which is so lame with Kylie Jenner, okay? They don't like his choice in women and let me tell you because the Kardashians get dragged

2:03all the time, no matter what, the Kardashians are never taken seriously, it doesn't matter how many legitimate businesses they build, it doesn't matter how much money they make. It's always, oh, but Kim, maybe Chris leaked Ray Jay, like shut the fuck up. She has like five billion dollar companies. You wish you knew how to market the way that they do. And I just think that while she, I don't know her, Kylie seems like a badass. They seem to be in love. They seem to be really happy. She seems to be like a great mom and a great entrepreneur and certainly a very fortunate woman to be born to a great family. But all things aside, I really do think, I'd love your thoughts on this, but I do think that that is hurting his public perception with these stupid Hollywood elitist Oscar. I know you're, look, don't come down on Josh, I'm saying this. This isn't Josh saying this, the Academy, okay, Academy come for me, okay, when I call you stupid. Not Josh. Josh thinks you're really smart. I'm saying all you belittest Academy crap olas, look, Kylie's a nice woman.

3:05Timmy loves her. Stop holding that against him. I think that's what's happening. Do you agree? I don't know. I think that, yes, it's definitely possible. I, first of all, if you really look at the balance of it, it's like the perfect couple, right? Oh, yeah. And except if people are being judgmental, it's because they're sexist, right? Because imagine the roles were reversed. Imagine he was the billionaire fortune 500 killer entrepreneur and she was the wispy actory creative type. Then, of course, it would never be second guest, but because she's a bad ass woman, which we support here are bad, are bad, wow, bad ass women. It's suddenly like, wow, wow, and by the way, her in that Oscar dress, bow, wow, she is the knockout. She is a killer entrepreneur. The whole family crushes it. I give them all the credit and Timmy, we grew up a block away from each other and somehow I did not drink from his talent faucet, but nevertheless, I support him fully.

4:11Knockout and all of those comments. And also, Hollywood loves to pick, like they nitpick it like a relationship when the age gap is too big, right, Josh? Like, oh, I can't believe she's dating somebody 20 years older. They're perfect for each other. What are they like? What are the same age? They're a normal, heavyweight couple. It's like so nice. I don't know. I love it. I love it. We're a heavyweight couple. They're just a couple. What do you think, Olivia? What do you think, Olivia? Yeah, I think that she, there's a lot of discourse around the popular girl and the nerdy actor type that I've seen too from a more, I don't know, a Gen Z female meme page type thing. I have seen corners of the internet that are very pro them and just love it because he's such a little weirdo and she loves it too, so you can tell they're very happy together. And I just think it's like, yeah, I think it's really unfair and I do think that there's a bit of sexism because to your point, if the roles were reversed, like nobody bats

5:12an eye or if anything, people are like, why is she with him? But yeah, I mean, I think that's always going to probably come up to some point as long as they're happy if people aren't like dragging them to build, which unfortunately is happening at the moment. I think, you know, let it go. Let it be. They're beautiful. Have fun. They're beautiful. Have fun. So, Josh, if he was canceled, which sounds like he wasn't really canceled, but you're coming to his defense, okay? Let's say though, it's somebody they did something, Josh. They did something, okay? Are you coming to their, you're not coming to their defense, you're like, smell you later. Is it something that is, well, it's all about context, right? Are they being canceled for something that is egregious or is it for something that they don't deserve to be canceled for? I think it's something that they don't deserve to be canceled for. But yeah, then I will never, nevertheless, they are being canceled badly.

6:12It's tricky, Josh. It's tricky. We can speak, honestly, right? Like we've all gone through our own versions of, you know, quasi-cancelation. Like, when, and I appreciate her forever and you, but especially with Claudia being so public, when I, you know, when the documentary about Nickelodeon came out and people were understandably super upset, but a lot of their upset was directed towards me. And I appreciate that Claudia was like, and she ran it by me first. I hope I'm not speaking out of school, but Claudia ran it by me before she went on her pod and said, like, you guys have lost the plot. Like this is undeserved and I really appreciate that she showed up for me in a moment where it felt like, you know, the internet was coming down on me, even if it were just for a couple of days. Yeah, and I think that it takes a very strong person to know that you can speak up and the cancellation, cancellation, whatever is going on will be over in a couple of days anyways. But you'll always remember who reached out to you.

7:14You'll always remember who said something on your behalf. The people who are dead silent, dead silent, they better be texting because if they're dead silent online and they're dead silent texting, they're not calling whatever, then that means that this is a purely transactional relationship. If you're not checking up on your friends who are going through something like that, then they're not real friends. So I feel pretty strongly about that. And in today's day and age, I think it's really important. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, in the moment, and the person I have to give the most credit to and appreciation is Drake, who saw it totally and immediately spoke up and was like, guys, you're getting this wrong. And I appreciate that because it really meant a lot. But I think you're the same way. I think you're a true blue boy, baby. I think you definitely speak up for a friend who was, I think you can speak up for a friend when they're unjustly being dragged. And then I think you can also privately text and don't have to necessarily make a comment,

8:15which I kind of, in 99% of the scenarios, understand. Totally. And when we're not going to name names, but we both know somebody who is canceled. By the way, when you're canceled, you're fine these days, okay? It's not like the real, like your whole life is over, but canceled, it's not pleasant. We both know somebody who is canceled and they were wrong, I think. But I still reached out to them and said, I'm so sorry because even if you're wrong, it doesn't mean that they don't deserve to hear. I'm sorry that this is happening to you because it still stinks. Of course there are degrees of what's right and what's wrong, but hopefully you're thinking about the same person that we both know. And I'm not going to speak further on it. By the way, that's a great example. I just told Joshua was, he's like, I don't even remember. And by the way, that was the biggest fucking deal for a week, like the biggest deal. His life, he thought his life was over and let me tell you, it didn't change a thing. And I'm so happy in that moment, it wasn't, he didn't do something so bad that I reached

9:16out to him like, dude, I'm sorry that this happened to you. And like yeah, he was probably wrong, but we're all human and seeing just like so much a direct written about you online, it's not fun. It's not fun. No, it's a wild, it's a wild way to experience life. And yeah, I think the great Neve Shulman said this great on my first podcast. He was like, when the internet comes after you, your life becomes your defense. Yeah. How you've lived for every minute prior to the internet getting mad at you, either fuels their feelings or is a rebuke and kind of sounds like, okay, maybe they are guilty of saying the wrong thing and maybe they were human. But everything leading up to this shows the history of a good person. So maybe we calm down on this and don't completely ruin them for what was a human moment. Let's kill him. Josh switching gears for a second. Did you know that our video is on Spotify?

10:18Yes, I love Spotify. It's just so cool. Like I went into Spotify, I was just like looking just to listen to the episode and you can literally press a play button and watch it and watch it. That is so pretty. How sick is that? It's so premium. And like, of course, go and watch us on Josh's YouTube. But how easy is it to pop open Spotify and watch right there? It's genius. It's genius, Josh. Genius all in one app can even flip it, watch it, landscape. People are going to think you're taking it selfie. No, I'm just watching the good guys walking into incoming traffic. If you get hit by a car, by the way, that's not our fault, right? Not even close. Just because they were watching. We can't be held liable because they were watching us while they were hit by an 18-wheeler. Right? It's an 18-wheeler's fault. Not our fault. No, shout out Freddie. My insurance adjustor who's constantly trying to sell me on an umbrella policy and I just plugged in. Yeah, we're not liable. But do what you want. But the video, it's just so cool. I was just excited about it. So, yeah, if you haven't, check it out on your Spotify app. I was going to say go to Spotify.com. I don't think you can do that.

11:19I guess you could. You have the app. Do it on the app. Okay. So, Oscars, let's go. Okay. I didn't watch. I just watched highlights. I think you're probably better off than I watched, but like I didn't fully watch. It's just so boring. Like I just like, I just can't. One thing that I'll say, let's just cut to the end. First of all, I saw none of these movies, but a lot of them look really good. The only, I saw that one documentary, Josh, that one beautiful documentary, not beautiful, was actually tragic about the woman who was killed by her neighbor. Do you know the one I'm talking about, the something strangers or something, whatever. It didn't win. It should have won. What do you nuts? That one that I saw. It should have won. Michael B. Jordan, what a beautiful acceptance speech. We could start there just like a deserving, incredible, it's so funny. My mom called me one minute before the Oscar. She's like, Ben, I just watched the scariest movie. It was that movie.

12:19What is a sinner? She's like, Ben, Ben, I can't. And by the way, the fact that my mom watched sinners is hysterical because she gets so scared by everything. The fact that she turned it on, like, Mom, why did you turn on that movie? She's like, your dad wanted to watch it. She put it on. He then went to take a shower, forgot that we were watching a movie, and I watched it alone. So my mom watched sinners completely alone, is petrified, had nightmares, and then Michael B. Jordan won. That's all I know about it. Bruce. Bruce, where's the remote, Bruce? What? I'm Lathering, Ava. Are you watching Michael Jordan? Oh, no, he could act. I loved him with Dennis Rodman. It's very scary, Rose. Terrifying. She was terrified. But he gave one hell of a speech, Josh, I just love it when they come in.

13:20They thank God. They thank family. They thank the people around them. And they get off. It's a dream. He's a man. He's a man. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Peace. He, I, it's very, I'm so happy for him. He's a class act, and I knew him when we were like 20 years old on the celebrity basketball league. We were on the same team. Yeah. Wow. Wow. Wow. And so it's weird for me because I mean, you always go by Michael B. Jordan or original, he went by Michael Jordan and then realized that's going to be a problem. No. Always Michael B. Yeah, that's so smart. Whoever thought of that for him, genius. And he, um, it's so funny because I remember we all were given, um, jerseys. And I had the number four, and he's like, yo, could I get the number four? Like that's kind of like my number. I would love that jersey. And I was like, no, I regret it now. He probably remembers. I mean, no, I think you're, for sure.

14:21You're so agreeable. Like you're like, yeah, yeah, any number, uh, negative three. Cause he's a lean, he's a lean kid. And I didn't know if there were another big boy jersey, like number four fit me. I started like, I just have a real connection with the number four. I could give a shit about this number. I was going to say it's pretty, it's pretty amazing to be in number four. I've never been in number four. I'm always a 36. Right. I always, if they're giving me a penny, I'm a 42. It's like, we didn't even know that the pennies went up to 42. And there are five guys on the team. Why are we in the 40s? And that's because if you're a big boy or a big girl, you know that the big pennies or jerseys start at 30 and go up. You can't be a double X triple X and be a number three. You just can't. That's reserved for smalls and mediums. So wow, you were trimmed. It is a fiddle, but it was amazing because at this time, like he was just, like he, I feel like he had just done the wire. So to watch him, like, at that time, like I'm sure that he was like any other

15:25actor fighting for auditions, trying to get a good part. And he just happened to be incredibly talented, really climbed up the ladder, had a god sent in making his first breakout movie with Ryan Kugler, who's another genius. I mean, that's what it is. When you find someone like that and you have magic with them, like make as many movies as you can and respect and shout out to both of them. Like what talents and it's really, really awesome. So well deserved. And it was just like a great moment for the room, a big standing. Oh, it was great. And like, if it wasn't him, I would have been pissed because again, we love Timmy. And I was just like, like Timmy win, let him win. But then when it was Michael B, I was like, you know, Michael B's awesome. Like this is awesome too. That's great. And Timothy Shalamey will probably win 10 times over the next 30 years anyways. So unless he turns out to be like a Kobe, we're like, we just keep saying that. And then he never wins. And what a Kobe got one he should have gotten for one MVP, five, one MVP.

16:28Did you weep about Kobe? Cause I wept. Oh my God. It was the worst day of my life. It's in one of it. One of, and yes, I'm privileged for sure, but it was a, it was terrible. I remember I was walking around Bloomingdale's aimlessly looking at my phone. You know, when you go in for a pair of jeans, all of a sudden you've been in their 35 minutes and you got no jeans. Yeah, you're just walking around your on your phone. You're taking calls. You're just like your ADD took over and you're like, where am I? All of a sudden, I'm a Kobe's dead helicopter crashed. And then you go down a rabbit hole. Was he with his children? Was he with his wife? Was he with other? Who is, who is there? What the fuck is going on? Is this a prank? Why is TMZ telling me and not his wife? I remember it all like it was yesterday. 35 minutes in. I just imagine you walking like finding yourself near a lot cruised set in the home good section. Like quietly. We'd be that even knowing I just spent three grand.

17:30I get home like, what is this? I went, I went for jeans. I got a job in. I remember that I was shocked. But then like a week or two later, they did the funeral at Madison Square. Or I'm sorry, at the Staples Center and they did like a montage. And I just remember sitting in my living room. Page was in the bedroom. I'm like, weeping. And I would like, I needed to like show, you know, when you're crying, so much you need to show someone, yeah, to five age of like, are you seeing this? I'm so upset. Oh, it was terrible. It was terrible. The greatest. I can't ever remember having that type of reaction to another celebrity. And it's funny. You'd think that I guess maybe I had it with Robin Williams. Besides Robin Williams, I didn't have it.

18:30Like Kobe's hit me like a ton of bricks. He was my idol. He was like every year we'd have Kobe Day at the garden. The Lakers would come to town one day a year. And he would just beat the shit out of the next. You're not going to watch the next, but like back then you were never going to watch the next. You're going to watch everybody else. I remember they used to advertise. I've definitely spoken about this on the podcast before, but for the new listeners, these to advertise Dream Week and it's hysterical because the nicks were like 20 and 62. And Dream Week was when the timbrels would come and you got to see Kevin Garnett. When the Lakers would come and you got to see Kobe Bryant and the spurs would come and you got to see Tony Parker and Tim Duncan. That was Dream Week where we'd pay money. We'd sit. We watched the nicks lose by 30, but we were watching greatness. And Kobe Day was just, that's what we called it. Kobe's in the garden. It's Kobe Day. How did they miss not making the official sponsor? Kobe Day for Kobe.

19:34It's Persian night. It Kobe Bryant. Salam. It actually, it works really well. There's so many Persians in LA. I love it. Kobe Day. Okay. Wait, let's go back to the Oscars really quick. So now there's this viral thing where so cool. Michael B. Jordan went to in and out after he won the Academy Award and everyone went nuts and he's signing, I'm getting burgers and fries. Do you think he was paid? It's just an Andy Reed moment. If he wasn't paid, it's just like such a classic way to ingratiate yourself to your fan base. Like Andy Reed is also just like a big boy and like he like needed it. He was like a drug addict itching. He's like, I need a triple lover. I'm going to pass out. Yeah. But Andy Reed, after they win the Super Bowl, run straight to fast food. It's a good question. And if he was paid, I feel like in and out's one of those places that doesn't pay for anything. Am I wrong? Like I've never seen in and out market. Do they market? Do you see in and out commercials? Does in and out spend money? It's a good point.

20:35I think that he just like probably wanted an in and out burger and at the same time knew that like, oh, you're you're down to earth too. You just won best actor and you're a man of the people getting a burger animal style and fries. Like it's it's a classic tactic. I think I don't think he was paid. You think he was paid? I think that if in and out doesn't do a lot of advertising, it would be beyond genius marketing to just say like Michael B, you'd probably have to do it contingency, right? You'd probably have to be like, if you don't win, here's a hundred grand. Don't go what? You know, we engaged with you. Here's just like a hundred, a hundred grand for opening the email. But if you do win, here's a million go go get a burger after. Like spent 30 minutes, you make a million bucks and like the amount of press they're getting is worth way more than that. I don't even I'll take it a step further. I bet you he paid for his burger.

21:38Sure. I'm so sure that in and out didn't pay. It's just it's one of those where unless you see ads for it on the west coast, obviously why would they advertise on these coasts? There are no locations. But I've never seen in and out influencer marketing. I've never seen a billboard. I've never seen I've never seen anything. It's just like the ultimate word of mouth, delicious burger. So I feel like he just went. It was a great moment and it's we call it in the business earned media. Josh so much earned for in and out just free and you know, like the PR team so excited, they're writing to their client. Like we would have had to spend a million dollars or 10 million dollars or whatever to get this and we just got it. There's there's no better feeling when you're a brand than something like that. Unbelievable. It's awesome. And I actually did a charity bowling tournament for in and out ones because they're really an incredible family run company. You know, they have their religious and so they've had like proverbs like do you

22:41know this? They have religious writing on parts of the packaging. No, I didn't know that. Yeah, they'll have like a prover written either on the bottom of the cup or in parts of the packaging and there was actually backlash at one point because people felt like, oh, that's not completely, you know, it's lacking a level of inclusion for everyone who eats there. And they were like, respectfully, we don't care like this is what we do. We're a religious family and we feel passionate about this and I give them credit and they really showed up because I made a nice contact there. And we were doing this big fundraiser years ago for a friend of ours in our community who had ALS and he's a firefighter. And so we did this huge sort of like concert carnival thing where we could go and everyone could spend money and would all go to the family. And I reached out to in and out and they sent a joke when I'm talking like almost like it could attach to an 18 wheeler of a mobile restaurant that gave out and people could pay for burgers, but they obviously gave it for free. And you know, they did 500 burgers, fries, milkshakes, so cool.

23:45That's amazing. Yeah, they're awesome. What a great, it's so funny. You bring up inclusion and I, I'm happy that you teed this up. How do we possibly want inclusion to the point of removing somebody else's religion from their family story, but also to have any uniqueness? Like, like, what makes, like, I didn't know that I'm Jewish. I don't want to feel included. Otherwise, if I feel included, then nothing is anything. Like, like, why, why can't you eat something? Let me know if this makes sense. Why can't you eat something different than your culture, different than your religion, different than your community? I'm not Persian. We're talking about Persian food and pomegranate seeds. If I walked in and it was just Ashkenazi Jewish cuisine catering to me, that wouldn't be fun anymore. Like, I can eat that sure, but like, I want to experience different things. Like, this idea of inclusion, just what, what's like the version of, like, it's not whitewashing.

24:45It's like the opposite. It's like washing, just washing. I don't want everything to be dull. I want everything to be different and colors and fun. And I just feel like the closer, the more we edge towards inclusion, like that, the further away we get from anything original. It's just like, there's no story. There's no nothing. You, you can't be included. That's why it's a mystery. That's why it's something fun and different and cool. Like, but you can be included because you can eat there. You can shop there. You can enjoy it, but like an inclusive brand where everybody can feel it is nobody's brand. It's just nothing. There's nothing special. Does that make sense? Yeah, beautifully. Sorry for that tangent, but like, I was just thinking about it. Like, who the fuck are you to tell these, who the fuck are you to tell these beautiful Christians that they shouldn't have proverbs on their store? Right. That's their store. It's not publicly owned. There's no stock, like no, no public owned sockets privately owned business.

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28:58which the FDA does not approve or verify for safety effectiveness or quality prescription required. See website for details restrictions and important safety information. Actual price will depend on product and subscription plan. One more tangent that I'm done with tangents for the day. Okay, I'm done with tangents for the day. I'm kind of sick of people saying I hate it here. I'm kind of sick of people saying I like this like this world that stinks to terrible world that's a terrible you could say it's a terrible country. It's a terrible whatever like I really hope that people genuinely wake up in the morning and just enjoy any part of their day. Even if you have issues with a political climate or something going on that doesn't have to impact every fiber of your being every day. I feel like Gen Z. I think I was on TikTok or something and I saw it was millennial optimism.

29:59That's what it was. I don't know if you've seen this where they're saying that millennials are optimists because they lived in a different world and Gen Z is entitled to be as pessimistic as they want because they live in a terrible one. And it's like how have you how have you convinced yourself that you live in a terrible world? That means that all that you do is consume as much as you possibly can. TikTok rabbit hole after TikTok rabbit hole. All you do is watch the news like you didn't see a sunshine. You didn't have a nice day. You don't have any family members. No one you never nice interaction with a woman at a coffee shop. You know nothing like this horrible, right? I don't know. Sorry. Another tangent. My sponsor always talks about like there's always phrases like I want to be in God's image or God's love or God's vision or whatever. He's like in my experience or my opinion, God's vision is the present. And so being in the present is the gift, right? 100%. It's like people used to take issue with the idea of a day at a time, right?

31:02In 12 step, they'd be like, well, you're giving yourself the out. It's like, no, it's that I only have power over the next 12 hours like because I don't know what will happen tomorrow. And I know that for the next 12 hours, there's a very good chance I can stay sober if I do these things. It's not giving myself the out for tomorrow. It's keeping me in today. But that's life like it's an incredible message in 12 step, but that's the best way to live a meaningful life. I can only control what happens today. So I'm going to give today a hundred percent. I'm going to give my wife a hundred percent. I'm going to give my son a hundred percent. I'm going to call my parents. I'm going to do what I'm going to be happy. I'm going to wake up and try my hardest to be happy. Even if I don't have anything to be happy about, I think I have plenty to be happy about. But there have certainly been times like it's it's in self reflection. Like I've had I've had times where I'm not waking up happy. And I'm like, why the fuck am I not happy? My life is unbelievable. And but it takes training. But I will say, dude, not having money, having lived that life, it's a bitch.

32:04It's real hard to be happy. Like there's so many little things that I know when when my mom and I were like super broke and we were having to appeal for like getting, you know, money from the state or figuring out like we couldn't get an apartment because we had no credit, right? So like we were so we were screwed. And like this lovely guy Perry took to pity on us and used his credit. He was a landlord of the building in in Hell's Kitchen. And he felt bad for a single mom and only child and used his credit so that we can get the apartment. Otherwise, we would have been in like these month to month like cockroach and festive places. So I know what it is. It can feel pretty hopeless when you have no doubt. I've definitely told you this before, but like 2006, my dad did a big build out. He put all of his money, leveraged our apartment and got fucked. I think I've told you this before if I haven't, I'm telling you this now. And we went from owning our apartment to selling our apartment for nothing to moving into a rental. I was 16 years old.

33:04Then when I was 18, my dad's credit is in the dumpster. So I couldn't get an apartment. I couldn't move out. That's why I stayed local. And I'm saying all of this because even people that are in positions of privilege often do have times. It might not be as dramatic, right? But everybody has something. And in your story, while horrendous, Perry is an incredible light in that story. I like my point is just like, you can woe with me through life when life is really terrible. You could also look for the Perry's. For sure. That's all. That's all. I don't know what we're keeping. We're going to get rid of a lot. But I enjoyed it. Would you do a little more on mail? Please. All right, folks, as always, good guys, podcast one at gmail.com. You're going to write in, you're going to give us your more on mail. Speak pipe is dead, just like Marshall. You can see his tombstone. Where is Marshall buried?

34:05Josh, it doesn't matter. All right, so cemetery. No, again. All right, guys, hey, guys, my girlfriend and I moved in together a few months ago. And things are great, except she will not allow outside clothes on the bed. Like if I come home from dinner, I'm supposed to change before even sitting on the edge of the bed. Last night, I sat down to take off my shoes and she jumped up like I had just dragged mud through the apartment. Am I nuts? Claudia's the same way. Yeah, Claudia's the same way. If I sit in the bed and my outside clothes, like we went to the outlets yesterday, just to try and do a little bit of shopping and I sat in our bed with my outlet clothes on and she acted like we needed to burn the sheets. So I think that this might be a, is this a gender thing? Josh, would you be comfortable laying in your, or no, it's not. It's a cleanliness thing. No, it's a cleanliness thing. I think, yeah, I think it's probably dependent on the person. I'm not particularly like that, but I like sitting on the edge of the bed.

35:07I'm like, you're not on top of the, like that part of the comforter isn't really touching. So I don't get that, but of course, like take off your outside clothes before you get under anything or up near a pillow or lay back. But so this is a gender thing, I think, like I would happen to bed in my jeans. I'm not saying I haven't done that before. I certainly have. I know that I shouldn't. Sometimes I sleep in my jeans and feel like I'm in a band. I don't even, I don't even think like I shouldn't, like I get in. I'm just comfortable and tired, like I don't want to shower. I don't want to change. It's not that I shouldn't. I should. But Claudio says I shouldn't, so I don't. But I'm convinced that this is a, this is a male woman, male female thing. I think. I don't know. Yeah, I just think some people are really, they have their, their isms about the bed and the shrine of the bed and the cleanliness and other people are kind of, I don't know, dude, last night I slept on the couch and everything's fine with Paige and I. It's just that Shiden's feel good and there was a chance that he was going to go in our bed and

36:10there's just not room for three of us in there. And I don't mind, but man, but like being on the couch, I was like, this is no way to live. Like the bed is a pretty beautiful place. Unbelievable, unbelievable. That said, we currently are dealing with two great pillows and two not so great pillows. I think I recently bought the two great pillows and they somehow made it over to Claudio's side. I don't know where these great pillows go, but I'm sleeping on some terrible pillows. I digress. All right, the next one. Hey, guys, my roommate has started washing take out containers and keeping them like their actual top aware. At first, it was just a couple, but now our cabinets are full of random containers from Thai places and salad spots. Last night, he packed my leftovers in a used low main container. Is this a thing people do? I think this is incredibly resourceful. Is it something that I do? No, but I love a good court container.

37:11I think that's like my dad used to just like bring home leftovers in those. So I'm conditioned for that. Like when you get a, when you order a multiple soup and you get it in that big container, that's a great container, like not all of them. I don't think that I would save the, she said Thai food. I don't think I would save like the low shallow pad Thai container. No, it's not that I don't need. That's crazy. But the big one, I think it's safe, but you think it's all nuts. What do you think? I think in this world, I would agree with you, except we have Amazon now. And I've gotten like 40 of those courts sent to me brand new for 10 bucks. Like it's a nothing. And I also like, I don't want to look. I'm not that guy that worries about microplastics, but if it's an easy avoid, like I don't reheat shit in a to go container anymore. I used to go containers all day, new key magic for two minutes. Just pissing out a credit card of plastic out of my peo. I love the you just said new. I love I was just on the phone with my dad and we were talking about chocolate covered

38:11strawberries as a man and his son often do. Sure. And he said, you know, you could put the chocolate over a double boiler or you could just nuke it and I was thinking to myself, you know, you could just fucking nuke it. Do other people use nuke is nuke like an East Coast thing they do. Everybody uses nuke. My mom used to say it all the time and you said that immediately took me back. Yeah, yeah, nuke's old school. And I liked it. Yeah, I like it. I love a good microwave. So just now thinking about an apology nuke. Yeah, nuclear. Yeah, nuclear. I have to read this one crazy like in New York Post headline because it's still making me laugh, which is, oh, this is a good one. Okay, you'll love this. Trump briefed that Iran's new Supreme leader, Mojtaba Chemeni is probably gay and president. Right. So his reaction. President Trump was stunned to learn last week that US intelligence indicates the new Iranian Supreme leader may be gay and that his father,

39:13the late Ayatollah, feared his suitability to rule the Islamic Republic for that reason. Trump couldn't continue his surprise and laughed aloud when he was briefed on the intel according to sources. I mean, I just imagine him hearing it like because you know, like Trump really like can't surprise us in the best and worst of ways. I imagine him hearing it and him going, I think I like a more now. By the way, and I Trump, I'm literally in my head thinking, I think I like a more now. I'm like, how bad could he be like what you're really going to like press a nuclear while you're like a super gay? No, I don't think so. Like, I'm so good. That's so good. That's so funny. Isn't he also like one leg to Nakoma or something gay with one leg in a coma? I heard that the blast might have done him in. There's a lot going on with him. All right. Well, what about did you hear about that that you know the famous artist street artist

40:15Banksy, whose face, of course, had a had a cultured, of course. You know, did you ever see the doc next to the gift shop? Josh, this is too much. Okay, I told you I knew Banksy. Like, you knew I didn't see the doc. It's too much. All right, fair enough. Well, I'll put on my list. Banksy is one of the great, you know, he basically has always lived behind a mask, no one knew his identity. And he was famous for these really cultural, these incredibly impactful street art designs, but then he would do things like he would go to Central Park and he would take all of these original paintings and just put them out for $5 each. And you would assume that it was, you know, a copy and five bucks was nothing. And then of course, suddenly you had a million dollar piece of art in your house as a souvenir. He did the famous one where they sold a giant original of his at Sotheby's or something like this. And then right as it sold for like three million dollars, he hit a button

41:16and the art dropped and went through a shredder built into the frame. Did you ever see that? No. Oh, my God. Like, they're literally like and so for three million dollars. And suddenly the giant frame starts beeping. And it just goes, beep, beep, beep. And within the frame, they built a shredder into the frame and the art just goes through. It's the best. What do you do with that? I guess it's still worth the money because it's still cool or because it was a moment or you just got fucked. I mean, obviously you don't pay for it at that point because it's like an act of God. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, understood an act of Banksy. But anyway, no one knew his identity for like over 20 or 30 years. Well, they just figured it out. And it's a guy named Robin Guggenheim who's a British dude and is totally like he looks like he works at a grocery store. He's awesome. Like Guggenheim. Is he related to the Guggenheims or the Guggenheim Museum?

42:17Sorry, it's not Guggenheim. It's Gunningham, Robin Gunningham. Very different, very different, very different. He changed his name to David Jones in 2008. I guess it's the most common name in the UK to even more blended. But they figured out he's like a 51 year old British dude. I hope that whoever outed him took great pleasure in doing that. Leave the man alone. Okay, he wants to be a mystery. Do we know who deadmouses yet? Yeah, it seems. Yeah, it seems Robert. His last name is Joel Zimmerman. He got it. He's unmasked himself. He did? Okay. I'm trying to make a mother's. Do we know who Dumois? Now, yes. You do. Brand new, unmasked. She was. Yes, yes, just I think. Let me see. Let me see. She unmasked herself. Chadi Kaffee. You unmasked herself here. But you knew her right, Ben?

43:17Didn't you know her? I like me. I don't. I think maybe I think she's a W of me. A former Ralph Lauren executive here. Wow. Shout out to great. Supposedly. This looks like a real Yenta. I could see this. Shout out to them who's their close friends with my buddy, Sean Avery. And they're Dumod does the Lord's work. Yeah, just to expose and shitting. Hanging people out to dry. What do you think of this? Because you didn't see if the first Oscar movie you see is it should be one battle after another, which is on Max. It's it's exactly Leo and with what's her name? Tiana Taylor. Tiana Taylor. Tiana Taylor. Who by the way, did she think she won an Oscar last night? Did you see? No. So they won best picture. Right. And I didn't realize not everybody in the cast gets an Oscar. Best picture. The Oscars go to the director, the producer, not necessarily.

44:18Oh, this is an opportunity to go to the director. It's a producer. Okay. So two producers. There are three given out. She's so excited to Tiana Taylor. Two producers are holding Oscars and Tiana Taylor. And I don't know if anybody's spoken about this. I'm convinced that she didn't know that when you win best picture, you don't win best picture. You don't win the Oscar for it. I think she thought that you want an Oscar. What's great about the movie and he hadn't been winning and then he just started to sweep in the end. Sean Penn gives one of the great performances of the last 20 years. I mean, he's so spectacular. And what do you think of this? And it's kind of his MO. He didn't go to the Oscars. He went to the Ukraine instead. I didn't even know that he went to Ukraine. And I thought of his badass just for not coming. Because I saw that he also, it was the Sag Awards. He also won and he also didn't show up. Like I just think that it's, it's particularly badass when you show up to a cause that's meaningful to you.

45:18So that is a considerably better use of I think his celebrity than showing up with a pin that you don't understand. So shout out to Sean Penn for sure. To what are you nuts? We should folks. What are you nuts? He grunts with people places and things. They can tall whatever's sticking in your craw. Josh, my what are you nuts moment is plain and simple. Stop having conversations in inconvenient places. Okay, unless you have the self-awareness to move. Do not start a conversation in a doorway. Do not start a conversation when you've already finished paying for your Starbucks. Do not start a conversation, Josh in the elevator with me when I'm trying to leave. I've had enough. Okay, it's enough. I'm trying to pass you you're in a conversation. Excuse me. Excuse me. Have enough self-awareness just to take your conversation

46:19somewhere else. What are you nuts? Love it. My what are you nuts is there'll be many times where I'll get DM something and they'll be like, hey, will you come try this thing or show up to this thing? And it'll be a Jewish centric, whatever, right? It'll be like, hey, we're Jewish kayaking or like this is, you know, we're the Jewish, I don't know, math leads. Like, what are you nuts? It doesn't like, well, for what? Like, I don't want to go to a Jewish centric, anything. Like, it's too many of us in one room. Really, a little diversity here, right? Like, a little variance. Sure. I don't want to go to a Christian kick back. I do. By the way, if you invite me to your Christian kick back, this is just when we were talking about Josh. This is what we were talking about with, with, there's in cool, we want to go to cool, different things. I can do my own Jewish kayaking.

47:20I'll invite you and my dad and it'll sink. We'll have a great time. We'll be at the bottom of the river, the USS Fatso. It'll be great. The USS Scoliosis. But yeah, I don't want to, I want to go to a Christian kick back. That sounds rad. Crush a couple of blue moons. Pray to our savior, Jesus Christ. And for our sins, I'm down. I'm in. Why not? Jesus is rad. I couldn't agree more. Jesus is rad. You know what else is rad, Josh? Tell me. Giving this episode five stars. That's what Jesus would want you to do. Not one five stars. Okay, like Jesus would do. And once we cook, we're going to read. I know we're not. Can we cut this out? I don't want to do reviews anymore. We are not going to read it anymore. That said, we should, we would still encourage you to leave us five stars.

48:21We're not going to do anything Olivia. I think it's better damn thing. Give us five stars or do nothing. We're not going to read it though. And we'll see you next time. Monday's and Thursday's. Monster energy. Everybody knows white monster zero ultra. That's the OG. It kicked off this whole zero sugar energy drink thing. But ultra is a whole lineup now. You've got strawberry dreams blue Hawaiian sunrise in vice guava. And they all bring the monster energy punch. So if you've been living in the white can branch out. Ultras got a flavor for every five and every single one is zero sugar. Tap the banner to learn more.