The Secret Behind Nostradamus’ Predictions

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1:00It's said that he saved thousands from the bubonic plague, wrote prophecies so vague that they could mean anything. But somehow he knew specific details about events, centuries before they happened. To skeptics, he was crazy, but to the queen, he was a genius. Two legacies in one man. This is the life and the predictions of Nostradamus. There are many internet rumors about what he predicted, the true ones, the semi-true ones and the ones that are totally false, and today we're getting to the bottom of all of them. So sit back, relax, and welcome to camp. What's up people, and welcome back to camp. My name is Mark Agdon, and thank you for joining me in my tent where every single week we explored the most interesting fascinating controversial stories from around the world from all time forever. Yes. This is what we do here. We're going deep dive wormholes if you're a Wikipedia nerd like me, and you were just scroll Wikipedia and just read random stuff. Well, hey, great news. That's why I made this show. And it's not possible without you and viewers like you, shout out PBS.

2:04For making this show possible, you guys tune in every week, commenting, him with little subscribe action, him with like a little thumbs up action, helps a bunch, makes my dreams reality, puts my child into college. He's not going to college. It puts him into a trade school. My child gets to go to trade school because of you guys. So thank you so much. And it's also not possible without my dear friend. How are you? Doing great, Mark. We're also joined by my friend David. How are you, dude? This is the earliest you've ever run me on an episode. I know. I'm so excited to talk to you, bro. Let's do it. I know. I can't wait. Right, Chris does. Oh, yeah. All right. So we're going to talk about a guy named Michelle, the Nostradome. Now, there's a lot of stuff around this guy and people are like, oh, Nostradamus. You knew the future. He knows everything that ever happened. And look, there's some interesting things about Nostradamus, but there's also a lot of a force, as they say, which I think is just a fun word. We got to bring that back. It's a lot of forceful information about old Nostradamus. So where does it all begin? December, 1503 in San Remy de Provence, in France. Now, right off the bat, I just want to say something.

3:06I'm not going to say what his religion is, OK? He was Jewish. But his grandfather, Guy Gasone, had converted his family, took Etholicism. Let's go. Catholics for the win. About 50 years earlier, in order to avoid some persecution during the Inquisition, OK, yeah, sorry. Okay. The Catholics did some bad stuff. All right. I'm not going to deny that. All right. It happens. Okay. But you got it. How are you going to make an omelet? Crack some eggs. So look. I'm sorry to all the Jews out there that had to convert. Okay. That's not right. But that is an interesting detail. Now, it's important because Nostradamus grew up in a household that was extremely intelligent. Right? I mean, if you know, many Torah Jews learned literacy much earlier than a lot of the rest of Europe. They were deeply, deeply academic. And that culture kind of carried on through many Jewish families to this day. And Nostradamus' family, despite being Catholic, was no different. Now, it's said that his grandfather tutored him in Latin, Greek, Hebrew, and mathematics.

4:08So by the time he was 14, he was already attending the university, the Avignon. Now, the timing of Nostradamus and his, at this point, Nostradamus, and his attendance at the University of Avignon was bad because only after a year of studying, the university has shut down the doors and why the bubonic plague. Yes. Okay. COVID 1.0. That's, if you went to college in the 2020s, you probably know what this experience is like. And this is where Nostradamus and his story really begins. He didn't just go home and hide and do virtual school and call it a day. Well, he spent eight years traveling the countryside, researching herbal remedies and working as an apothecary, basically like a prescribing people herbal remedies for their illnesses. Now, in the 1500s, there's a big difference between a doctor and an apothecary, right? An apothecary was considered like a manual trade, like a pharmacist, but like less respected by university professors kind of vibe. Now eventually, in 1529, he tried to go back to school at the University of Montpellier,

5:09he wanted to get his actual doctorate, but this time, he got expelled. So the university found out that he was working as an apothecary, which was explicitly banned by the university. And on top of that, he had been pretty vocal about his criticism of, you know, doctors at the time. So he's kicked out of school and labeled like a medical rebel, okay? Think like holistic medicine doctor goes to school, but is, you know, ousted. But instead of letting this stop him from, you know, becoming a doctor, he goes back to fighting the plague. And this is where you got to give old, no stardom, some credit, all right? At the time, medicine was built around the four humors. This is what the prevailing medical belief was at the time. You had blood, flim, black bile, and yellow bile. Now, doctors believe that when a person was sick, it was simply because those fluids were at a balance. So the doctor's solution to this was to use mercury potions, garlic soaked robes, and blood letting. Yes, blood letting, like literally just letting blood go at your body. Let's still practice in some parts of the world.

6:10Pretty sure it's how George Washington died. I think we fact checked this one time and it wasn't the exact reason he died. That's what I meant to say. Now they thought about cutting open a person and literally just like letting them believe their humors would kind of balance back out, but oftentimes they just killed them faster, which is not what happened to George Washington. Now, no stardomist was different. He didn't believe his patients. He focused on hygiene. Imagine that. And he famously created something called the Rose Pill, which was a medicine to fight off the bubonic plague. Now, the pill was made from dried rose hips, sawdust, from Greek cypress, iris cloves, and lime allos. Now rose hips were packed with vitamin C, which boosted the immune system. Cypress sawdust had some antiseptic properties and he was actually able to deter some of the effects of the plague. And some people alleged that he literally saved thousands of people and at the time was kind of hailed as like a local hero and eventually he settled town in a town called a gen. And he got married.

7:10He had two kids. Life is good, right? He's good. He's a local hero. He saved a bunch of people from the plague. He survived the plague. He's got some kids. But then in 1534, when he was traveling and healing people of the plague, the worst possible thing happened. The plague came into his town and it killed his wife and both his children. So get this, right? Infamous plague doctor who's saving hundreds of strangers lives. It didn't save his own family. Now overnight, the community turned on him. His own in-laws sued him to return his wife's dowry. Now, a dowry is basically like money that the wife's family pays to a man when they are married. So they wanted to back. But around 1538, Nostradamus did something that got him in massive trouble. He was walking through a town when he saw a bronze worker making a statue of the Virgin Mary. Obviously, this is very important within a Catholic country. And the craftsmanship was apparently bad because Nostradamus looked at it and told the worker that he was making devils. Now, it's possible that he meant that the statue just looked bad, but some people overheard

8:13the comment and reported Nostradamus to the Inquisition for making blasphemous remarks about a religious statue. You can see, classic mix-up, right? Now, the church officials into lose then sent for Nostradamus to appear before them for questioning. But Nostradamus knew that being accused of blasphemy could get him killed during the French Inquisition. So instead of showing up to explain himself, he decided it's time to pack up your bags and leave France. So for the next several years, he essentially disappears. And there's not a ton that's known about what happens. It's believed that he travels through Italy and Greece and maybe Turkey, but again, there's no solid documents that confirm where he went or who he studied with or really what he was doing. And this period of his life is known as the Lost Decade. And this is also when historians believe his focus begins to shift from medicine and things a little bit more grounded to more esoteric traditions. He doesn't outright abandon medicine, but he starts studying astrology and symbolism and prophetic traditions. And he's actually a famous legend from this time that serves kind of as like the origin

9:16story. And now again, the veracity of this is difficult to really prove, but the story goes that while walking on a road in Italy, Nostradamus crossed paths with a group of Franciscan monks. He suddenly stops in his tracks, walked over to a young, broke, friar named Felice Peretti and knelt down in the dirt before him. Now as you can imagine, all these monks that are walking on the street are pretty confused that this random, you know, traveler is just kneeling in front of a random monk. Nostradamus reportedly says, I must kneel before his holiness. Now it sounds crazy at the time, like this guy Felice Peretti was like just a poor, like friar, you know, trying to make his way in the clergy. That decades later, in 1585, that friar was ordained Pope Sixtus V. And that moment is often cited as the first real proof that he had legitimate, prophetic abilities. Now, this takes us directly into the next chapter of Nostradamus' life, and this is a little activity known as scrying.

10:18In 1547, he settled in Salon de Provolce and married a wealthy widow named Ann Pulsat. He turned the attic of his house into a study room, and this is where the magic would happen. Literally, like he was doing magic, like magic with like a C.K. Like, yeah, you got it. He would spend his nights in his study with books and a brass bowl filled with water. And he would basically use this method, you could call it a ritual, maybe called scrying. Now, this involves staring into water, or maybe a candle flame, until you basically enter a trance. Then you begin speaking predictions, and he believes that they were not random or meaningless, but clearly manifesting from somewhere in the universe. And the underlying belief about scrying is that all knowledge already exists, and that the human mind is able to act as like an antenna and tap into it, and then the information passes through. Now, this practice led Nostradamus to start publishing annual almanacs in 1550. These were like, like, I don't know if you ever heard of like the farmers almanac, but

11:18it's almost like a tabloid kind of, you know, with like weather reports, planting tips, you know, some predictions about the future. But, you know, things that felt kind of like opinions. But the crazy part is that these books, these almanacs, were massive. And with their success, he decided to go bigger. He began working on a huge collection of predictions, 1,000 prophecies in total, all compiled into a single work that he called lipofities, or the prophecies. However, instead of releasing it all at once, he published the book in installments beginning in 1555. Hey, we're going to take a break really quick, because I need to talk to the fellows. All right. If you're a woman, you can skip forward. I don't really care. But, guys, I want to talk about one of the most probably demoralizing things that can ever happen to you. All right. You're in the bathroom. You're brushing your teeth. You look up in the mirror, and suddenly you realize my forehead looks bigger than it did before. Well, the thing with that is that a men don't go bald overnight, right, Christos? Anyway. It's sneaky. It's like, all right. Well, the lighting here is a little weird, and then you're like, ah, I just took a shower.

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16:26You know, it matters to you. You're probably like, oh, that king Henry, yeah. In 1555. Mr. Domes wrote a Quatran that says, the young lion will overcome the older one. On the field of combat in a single battle, he will pierce his eyes through a golden cage. Two wounds made one. Then he dies a cruel death. You've been there settling in for an evening of TV only to waste half the night scrolling. Enter Fire TV. Entertainment with zero effort required. Fire TV serves up personalized recommendations from across all your apps. Not sure what to watch. Just tell Alexa Plus what you're in the mood for and she'll pull up the perfect recommendation. Problem solved. Stop the scroll. Start the show. Find what you're looking for with Fire TV. Subscriptions may be required.

17:26So, what does that mean? People read it and they're like, oh, interesting, alright. Fast forward to 1559. King Henry II is participating in a jousting tournament. He's 40 years old, facing off against a younger man, the Count of Montgomery. During the joust, Montgomery's lance shatters and a splinter of the wood flies up and pierces King Henry's visor, this golden cage. The splinter then enters his eye and goes into his brain, causing the king to suffer for 10 days in agony, which sounds like a pretty cruel death, and he suffered this way before he eventually died. Now, let's go back to the Quatran. The young lion will overcome the older one. Now again, King Henry II at this time is, you know, the older lion, typically on his

18:32royal garb, he would show lions, the Count of Montgomery, also had royal lions and lions are often associated with royalty. The field of combat in a single battle, a joust is how people interpret this. He will pierce his eyes through the golden cage, literally, this is how people interpret that cage around his jousting helmet, two wounds made one. It said, according to kind of folklore, that the doctors examined, that the lance broke into two wounds, one into his eye, and then the other splinter went into his brain, and then they became one, which was his cruel death. So this is how people interpret this, and when it happened, people lost their minds. But there's a woman, Queen Catherine Di Medici, I probably heard her name before, and she was already a fan of Nostradamus, and she took this as absolute proof of his powers and vowed to protect him. So she invited him to the royal court several times over the years, and he cast horoscopes for her children. Nostradamus suggested that her sons would one day wear the crown, which sounded pretty

19:33crazy, right? It's an absurd claim, since there were other heirs ahead of them in the line of secession. But over the following decades, three of Catherine's sons would, in fact, become kings of France. A coincidence, perhaps, but it only strengthened at Nostradamus' reputation in the court. So at this point, Nostradamus went from, like, a weird doctor in, like, an attic doing like some crying stuff in a bowl of water to a legit court advisor for the Di Medici's. So let's jump forward a few centuries to another big one, the Great Fire of London. In the prophecies, Nostradamus wrote, the blood of the just will be demanded of London, burnt by fire in the year 66. The ancient lady will fall from her high place, and many of the same sect will be killed. Now, that's the prophecy. And if you know a little bit about history, this one is pretty weird. The prediction says, burnt by fire in the year 66, when did the Great Fire of London happen? 1666. The fire destroyed everything, including St. Paul's Cathedral.

20:36Some people interpret this as the ancient lady falling from her high place. However, skeptics look at the original French that this prediction is written in, and the text actually says 23's the six. So not exactly 66, right? 23's the six, but if you do 20 times 3 plus 6, you get 66. Now, some people say, perhaps you were using biblical numerology, or there was some type of, you know, numerology associated with the stars, but it just again shows the levels of carefulness that perhaps went into the writings, considering that he might have been killed, or maybe this was a retrospective, you know, analysis of his writings to prove his prediction. Correct. Another prediction that people point to is the French Revolution. And his writings, no St. Thomas describes songs, chance, and demands rising from an enslaved population. He talks about princes and lords being dragged into prison, and even refers to headless idiots, a line that many people connect to the guillotine.

21:37Now we all know about the guillotine and the French Revolution, right? The aristocrats were thrown to prison and publicly beheaded, and because of that, that line, headless idiots is often said to be a reference to the Revolution. And now another one that really gets people talking is Adolf Hitler. Nostradamus wrote several quadrants that people link directly to the famous Viennese dictator. One of them says, from the depths of the west of Europe, a young child will be born of poor people. He who by his tongue will seduce a great troop. Now, Hitler was born in Western Europe to poor parents and was famous for his public speaking skills and his ability to seduce the masses, you could say. But to make things even wilder, it's said that Nostradamus mentions a name. He writes, the greater part of the battlefield will be against Histor, Histor, Hitler. Again, this is what people suspect is what he was trying to say. Now this is where you have to dig a little bit deeper, okay? This Histor is actually the ancient Latin name for the Danube River, which was a historical

22:40battlefield. So many people will say that Nostradamus was likely writing about a geographical region, not a literal person. But weirdly enough, Hitler was born just miles away from that river. Now is it coincidence, is it a prophecy of those proven true or is it possible that his last name has some type of connection to a famous river that cuts through their town? This is for you to decide. Now this brings us to the main issue with Nostradamus. This retroactive clairvoyance problem, which basically means that nobody uses Nostradamus to predict things before they happen. We only look at his book after something terrible happens to see if he mentioned it. His writing is actually so vague and so full of metaphors that you can kind of twist it to say anything. For example, take the rise of Napoleon. Nostradamus wrote, Paul Ne Laurent will be more of fire than of the blood. Now people looked at Paul Ne Laurent and realized those are the names of towns in western France.

23:41But if you treat the letters as like an anagram and rearrange them, it says, Ne Po Laurent, which sounds a lot like Napoleon. So either Nostradamus is brilliant or maybe some people after the rise of Napoleon just looked back and made a really crazy scrabble game. Who's to say? The controversy doesn't stop there. And skeptics also point out that Nostradamus wasn't just getting visions from scrying, but he was also a nerd. He loved reading. So many people believe that he likely just copied a lot of, you know, prophecies perhaps from older texts. There was a book published in 1522 called The Midabilis Libet, which is the Book of Miracles. It was a collection of biblical and medieval prophecies that scholars found Nostradamus likely borrowed heavily from. He basically took old prophecies about the apocalypse and plagues and evasions and rewrote them in his own kind of cryptic way. But one important clarification, people don't really think that he did this in a malicious way. Nostradamus believed that history repeats itself. So he was simply just kind of projecting past events into the future and suggesting

24:46that those are his prophecies, which is a pretty good, you know, pretty good bit, right? This takes us to one of the most recent prophecies related to Nostradamus, but sadly, it's not what you think. In 2001, right after September 11th, the terror attack in New York City, there was a so-called Nostradamus prophecy claiming he predicted the attacks and this circulated through email chains and even to this day on social media sites. The verse talked about two steel birds falling from the sky over the new city, with the sky burning at 45 degrees latitude. I mean, it's a pretty remarkable prophecy, right? New York City sits between the 40th and 45th latitude and steel bird sounds a lot like airplanes. And the difficulty with this prophecy, because it's so accurate, is that Nostradamus never wrote it. The verse was actually a combination of real lines and fake lines invented in 1997, which is interesting, by a Canadian student who just wanted to show how easy it is to create

25:47a Nostradamus-like prophecy. Now, Nostradamus did write about fire approaching the Great New City at 45 degrees, but in the 1500s, New City usually referred to places like Naples, literally Neopolis, the New City. Now, whereas Naples sit, right next to Mount Vesuvius, fun fact, that's the same volcano that destroyed Pompeii and almost destroyed Naples. So if you think about it, fire approaching Naples made a lot more sense in 1555 than airplanes hitting New York, but after 9-11, the internet grabbed that line and added steel birds and it went viral. What's up, guys? We're going to take a break real quick because I got to ask you a question. Are you the type of person that just wakes up in the morning and immediately hits your vape or gets a coffee or throws in a pouch because you just want to feel anything at all? Just throughout the day, like, okay, coffee, pouch, coffee, pouch, vape, coffee, pouch. To be honest with you, that was me. I was just going from cold brew to pouch to cold brew to pouch all day and my heart felt like it was going to explode. I was just felt strung out all day, truly.

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31:53Now it's said that this was written by a Canadian student, typically cited as Neil Marshall, but it's difficult to really attribute exactly who. And this circulated before 9-11 and then went viral afterwards. And the prophecy, again written by the student in 1997, says, in the city of God, there will be a great thunder, two brothers torn apart by chaos. While the fortress and doors, the great leader will succumb. The third big war will begin when the big city is burning. Now people interpreted that in December of 2001, there were like two brothers torn apart by chaos, twin towers. The fortress and doors, the great leader will succumb. Bush is going to be ousted. The third big war is going to begin the city's burning World War III. Now we can see in retrospect, World War III didn't really happen. Bush didn't step down. And really the only thing here is, you know, two brothers torn apart by chaos. But again, it just proves how effective retroactively looking at these prophecies can be, because now we're taking all of our modern information, all the things that we know after the fact, and applying it to this prophecy that was written four years before.

32:56Now this isn't a one time thing. What's interesting about these types of prophecies that even during World War II, Nostradamus was actually used as a weapon. Now Joseph Goebbels, the propaganda minister for the Third Reich and one of Hitler's highest ranking members, hired astrologers to write fake quadrains, predicting German victory, and dropped them over France to basically scare civilians and decrease the morale of the French troops. But the crazy part is that the Allies responded by doing the exact same thing, dropping their own fake prophecies, predicting Germany's defeat. So nearly 400 years after his death, Nostradamus' writings were being used as like psychological warfare. But the final prophecy tied to his name wasn't about war or disaster, it was about himself. In 1566, Nostradamus was suffering badly from gout and edema. On the evening of July 1st, 1566, he allegedly told his secretary, tomorrow at Sunrise, I shall no longer be here.

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35:02the floor next to his bed. Now over the course of his life, he became a pretty wealthy man, mostly from publishing his books. You know, these almond acts of people were buying them all over the place in his close relationship with the queen. And by the time of his death, his estate was worth roughly $300,000 in today's money. And it was divided amongst his new wife and children. And then buried in a local chapel. But his story doesn't end there. In fact, it gets a little strange. It said that Nozardamus was buried upright, literally standing inside the wall of the church of Codilié in Salon. Now, legend says that he didn't want any filthy feet on my throat, meaning he didn't want anyone to walk on his grave. But that didn't stop a few drunk soldiers during the French Revolution. Now this part of the story is just a legend, but like everything else in Nozardamus's life, who knows? So in 1791, soldiers were angry at the establishment, and they got drunk, and they broke into the church, and they started looting it. And eventually, they broke open Nozardamus' tomb, and when they opened the coffin, they

36:04found a skeleton wearing a medallion with the date 1791 engraved onto it. As if Nozardamus knew exactly when his grave would be disturbed. One of the soldiers, supposedly feeling brave, are just very drunk, poured wine into the skull of Nozardamus and drank from it. This ties to an old superstition that went way beyond Nozardamus. Across Europe, there was a belief in sympathetic magic, which is the idea that power or wisdom could be transferred through physical contact. And skulls in particular, these are the vessels of the soul, the mind, the brain. And so warriors drank from the skulls of their enemies that, you know, they respected. Scholars kept skulls as symbols of knowledge, and prophets were believed to carry insight even after their death. So the idea was pretty simple. We're going to drink from Nozardamus's skull, and we're going to absorb the prophet's power. Again, this is a legend. This is a story, but according to it, it didn't go so good for the soldier. Nozardamus had supposedly written a curse that read, evil will come to him who opens the tomb.

37:05The soldier who drank from the skull was said to be killed by a sniper the very next day while returning to base. Now, whether or not this is true or just an interesting story that was told by the locals over the years, the mayor of Salon believed it enough. And he actually saved the bones of Nozardamus and told the revolutionaries that he was a hero who had predicted the revolution, so they shouldn't trash his remains. Then they rebury at him, and he is still there today at his burial site, and Colin St. Laurel. In the end, Nozardamus, maybe he was a wizard, maybe he was a prophet, but maybe he was just a skilled self-remotor and had some medical knowledge, kind of as like a wandering doctor, and a very careful writer who understood how to sound obscure and mystical in a way that people really liked. His prophecies didn't survive because all of them were correct, right? They survived because every generation could find themselves written in those lines. And that, my friend, is the story of Nozardamus.

38:08Interesting guy. I mean, I'm not big on like, like again, if you've gone to my head, am I going to say a hundred percent certain that people don't have prophetic powers with scrying? Could you access some type of information somewhere in the cosmos? Maybe. I've never seen it. I've never heard of it, but who knows. With that said, do I think Nozardamus' writings or some type of predictive tool to understand what's going to happen in the future? Probably not. I'm going to go probably hard-known, but I do think what he represents is interesting, is that you have people doing this now with like every type of conspiracy. And again, there are some conspiracies that are legit. I'm not saying that. But what I'm saying is that people are looking for truth and meaning and understanding, and they want to believe that some guy told them what's going to happen, that some guy has the answers and that they're able to look back in these old books and be like, this is the truth I was looking for. This guy knew it all along, and there's some type of order to this chaos. It does remind me of Zarpeter and Catherine I of Russia prior to World War I.

39:15They bring in a guy named Gregory Rasputin, who is the... Well, you did a video on him. Absolutely. He's just a wandering holy man that is able to understand reality and the divine nature of creation. And he has these amazing prophecies, and he's able to stop the bleeding of her son who has hemophilia. He's going to die out and saves Alexi's life. But most people are like, yeah, he was like new a little bit of medicine stuff and like dressed up to seem like this, you know, wise sage that would wander the countryside. And this is the kind of the same story. John D is another who was like very close to the Queen of England's real court who is like another scrier. He was like this obsidian, you know, mirror to like speak with angels and get knowledge from the divine. But it is interesting like once you have like power and influence and money, you're like, okay, what is the next level of power that I can get access to? And this guy saying that he is able to talk to God, I'm going to bring him in. Of course. And I'm going to get a little scoop on the left, you know what I mean?

40:17Do we know how the lineage of Pope Sixtus was tracked from the poor friar? What do you mean? Like how do we know that the guy who he knelt in front of ended up being Pope Sixtus? Yeah. Well, again, it's a legend, but I'm assuming it comes from the friars that are like, oh, yeah, this guy sat in the old before me. I don't know exactly which source material, like what's the original copy. Yeah. Chachi B.T. says it's explicitly an urban legend, but where does that come from? I don't know. Doesn't say he must have gotten something right in order for this legend to happen. You know, like it can't all be BS. But again, that I think the Pope Sixtus one happens after his lifetime. The one that happened in his lifetime was two wounds become one, Henry the second jousting. Okay. And that was the one that put him on. Medici's radar. That's kind of a layup. The guy, King's joust all the time. King's joust all the time, also wearing lions on your robes, like he could have seen,

41:21like you saw that. Oh, yeah. The lions started out, two of them around one day. Two of them get T.E. one day. Like what a crazy. But is it possible that some people can access these prophetic messages? I don't know. Yeah, no, it's possible. I don't know. I wish so much. I would be open to like the supernatural, you know. Yeah. I just tend to view these things as pretty black and white. If it had strong predictive ability, that's my whole thing. If there was like strong predictive ability where it's like, there's a prophecy, even it's kind of vague, but people were able to decode it and interpret it and be like, in the year 2030, a meteor will strike my house in Orlando, Florida. Then I'd be like, that's good. And then it actually happens. I'd be like, okay, there's predictive power in this. But the fact that it's all retroactive, that's my issue. Yeah, you then can pull more from his words to fit the narrative. But like, yeah, to me, I'm like, what uses it? If it's not reliably predictive.

42:21Yeah, you know what I mean? Like if all the use of this is to look back and be like, that's what happened, then it's like, all right, well, okay, I already know what happened. Yeah. Yeah. I need some predictive element, you know. Yeah. Thank you guys so much for tuning into another episode of camp. And my wife's calling me. She's pissed. Anyway, I should have predicted that. I could have had a feeling I should have been home 10 minutes ago. Whoops. Anyway, thank you guys so much for tuning into another episode of camp. This is the place where I explored most interesting, fascinating, comfortable stuff around the world who dropped these episodes once a week, solo deep dives, another one a week where I do an interview with someone away smarter than me. Thank goodness. And we also have religion camp. If you like religious deep dives, we also got history camp. If you like to go back in time to predict the future. But if you just rock with us over here, that's fine too. Just drop a subscribe. It really helps out the numbers. And yeah, thank you guys so much for making my dreams a reality. I'm so grateful. And if my, you know, entire career ended tomorrow, then it would all have been worth it because I got to

43:22spend the time with you. What, David? You keep saying this more often and now I'm getting worried. I want to go back. If I die tomorrow, no, you don't. I don't want to. I don't want to be. I'll be happy. No, as if you like guaranteeing tomorrow's my guarantee. Yes, it is. I live every day. Like it's my last. Let's go rob a bank. Okay. Anyway, God bless you all. Christos. Thanks for not ruining the episode. David did a great job, guys. We'll see you next time. God bless. One is zero sugar. Tap the banner to learn more. President Barack Obama. Virginia, we are counting on you. Republicans want to steal enough

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