The Nux Crossover: How The Nerd Right Formed

Malcolm & Simone Collins sit down with Nux Taku for an epic, wide-ranging conversation on the evolution of the online right, anime-to-politics pipeline, faith, culture war, and building a better future. From hentai reviews to biblical literalism, technopuritanism, abortion, consent morality, AI, demographics, and why the right feels like the “fun side” — this is one of the most unfiltered and insightful collabs in the nerd/tech right space.

Topics include:

* The journey from 4chan/anime degen culture to political commentary

* Why repentance & forgiveness are biblical traits that define the right

* Critiques of consent-only morality, abortion, and leftist degeneration

* Optimism, family, pronatalism, and raising based kids

* Conspiracy theories, Candace Owens lore, and truth-seeking

* AI, progress, and performative subversion on the right

If you enjoy Based Camp, Nux Taku, or discussions blending anime, theology, and red-pilled culture — hit like, subscribe, and share!

Episode Transcript

Malcolm Collins: Hello, Simone and Nux. This is the collab that was promised 3,000 years ago. We are so excited to be here with you. And what I wanna go into with Nux is exploring the evolution of this sort of new online culture that we share that has become, I don’t know, the nerd right, the tech right, the new right, whatever people wanna call it.

Because if you were to go to me five years ago, right? E- even five years ago, I mean, imagine 10 years ago, and you’re like, “Okay, so who are, like, the right-wing thought leaders on the internet?” And it’s like, “Well, the one we’ve got on now is a, a Jewish VTuber who used to do hentai reviews.” “... And then we’ve got fox girls.

We’ve got, like, five fox girls.” And I’d be like, “Are they furries?” And they’d be like, “No, they’re not furries, but they are fox girls. And then we’ve got, like, this slime girl, but it’s very important that you know that she’s a chimera slime. Then we’ve got Commie Mommy,” and people would say- Elf

Simone Collins: slime. Yes.

Malcolm Collins: Simone, am I not coming through?

Simone Collins: No, no. Just elf and slime girl. Like, it’s

Malcolm Collins: chimera. Oh, elf and... Oh yes, I’ve [00:01:00] got to get it right. Yeah. So Commie Mommy, and then people would be like, “Well, she, she can’t actually be, like, a socialist.” No, she’s actually a socialist, and she’s well-liked within our community.” And then it’s like, and then you got the top of the, the, the pack, and it’s this guy who, who lives like a homeless guy.

And I’d say to myself, like I’d be like, “Lives like a homeless guy? How does he not have any money?” It’s like, “Oh, no, he has tremendous amounts of money. Tremendous amounts.” But it’s so weird, this sort of world, and it’s a path that is not... Like, we, we in the past have tried to trace it from, like, the early online atheist communities to, like, the anti-feminist communities, then to, like, the anti-woke communities, and then to the modern right, and then it sort of, like, combined with parts of the red pill.

But you represent a different strand which comes out of the anime degen 4chan world, which we also come from as well. And I wanted to take this to sort of explore this journey, you as one of the leading content creators who sort of lived it, [00:02:00] and how your mind changed and the various points you had major inflections.

Nux Taku: Yeah, no, it’s de- it’s definitely a weird a weird area on the internet, for sure. I, I don’t know. For me it was, for me it was like, “Wow, I, I like making fun of retards and most of the retards are in politics. We have to start doing that.” I mean, that was the, that was kind of the thought process. Among other things, for sure.

I mean, I have to say, one of my biggest inspirations was Hasan Piker shocking his dog. That was, that was huge for me personally. Like, I, I’m like, this guy, he’s very well accepted in like the, the streamer world. You know, the, the pop culture. And I’m like, you know what? I, I want it to be as uncomfortable for radical leftists as for radical right-wingers.

Mm-hmm. And that’s what I did. I dedicated... And now no one wants to collab with Hasan. You know? Hasan was on The Ben Shapiro Podcast and no one wants to touch him anymore. You know, they got obliterated for it.

Malcolm Collins: You, you did a great job nuke- I mean, the JD Vance was like, “Oh yeah, of course. You know, the dog shocking guy, right?”

Like. It’s [00:03:00]

Nux Taku: cinema. It’s amazing. Yeah. The we-

Malcolm Collins: I actually

Nux Taku: think- I, I think- Okay,

Malcolm Collins: take it ...

Nux Taku: no, I think putting, making the face of the left like, you know, dog shocking, you know, womanizing, brothel enthusiast, terrorist supporter, that’s like the face of the left and it’s like, you wanna be on that side? So like you mentioned- You have, and I

Malcolm Collins: love that like on our side you have Asmongold, who literally, I don’t know any other human who would do this, doesn’t kill a cockroach growing, crawling on him, picks it up.

Who is that nice to a cockroach? Who is that pathologically nice? All right. And then leads it outside, right? And Hasan’s shocking his dog. But I think-

Nux Taku: Okay, I think, I think you’re taking the, the Asmongold thing like, a, a... It’s like, loves cockroaches, supports like late term abortions, right? That, that’s Asmongold.

You know? It’s-

Malcolm Collins: He still-

Nux Taku: You got a lot of interesting characters out

Malcolm Collins: here ... does Asmongold support late term abortion?

Nux Taku: Asmongold, he supports abortion a moment before birth. He supports it.

Malcolm Collins: Oh, really? I did not know that. We- Yeah. It’s interesting ... we have changed our views on abortion significantly recently.

There, there was a recent video on that.

Nux Taku: Really?

Malcolm Collins: People [00:04:00] should watch because it was the craziest video ever. It starts with a gang bang where like people got together

Simone Collins: and then- It starts with a, yeah, basically you know about Aila’s birthday gang bang, right?

Nux Taku: Who?

Simone Collins: Oh my God. So Ayla, a very famous sex researcher for her birthday one year in like 2024, so a bit ago I think decided to have a, a gang bang for her birthday because that’s how one celebrates in certain circles in the Bay Area with 42 men.

And one of her friends who helped to organize her organize it met her now future husband and, and father of her child at this gang bang. She was a fluffer. But, but, but

Malcolm Collins: in

Simone Collins: between- But she had this really terrible,

Nux Taku: Wait, y- you called her a sexual researcher?

Simone Collins: She is. Is that like a nice way to say a w***e?

She possesses some of the world’s best- Like, I’m trying to figure

Nux Taku: this out.

Simone Collins: No, so she, she has probably

Malcolm Collins: the world’s best data set. If you’ve ever seen those data sets of kinks and what they correlate to and like how they c- cross correlate, the trans community hates her ‘cause she always just says whatever she thinks is true. Yeah. We’re not promoting her lifestyle. But anyway, in between, in between this party [00:05:00] and her friend getting married she had this horrible abortion experience that she wrote about that radicalized a lot of people like us, because before I was like, “Well, u- up until they have neurons I’m okay with it.”

And now I’m like, “No, not even then.”

Simone Collins: Yeah, it’s,

Nux Taku: Look so- You should check it out ... so one thing, I, I hear you guys discuss a lot, like, your philosophy. I, I don’t remember. You have, like, a name for it.

Malcolm Collins: Hmm.

Nux Taku: It’s, like, about having lots of peers. Technopuritanism.

Malcolm Collins: Like, Evan- It’s

Nux Taku: our- Technopuritanism ... it’s

Malcolm Collins: our crazy religion.

Nux Taku: Okay. All right. Could, could you describe it in a few sentences, and then I’ll, I’ll let you know my... Like, i- if this is still part of the previous conversation.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, yeah. Well, okay, okay, I’ll, I’ll, I’ll, I’ll say it before we go on with this, ‘cause one thread I wanna pick up on what you said earlier, and then I’ll get into this really quickly is you were saying you liked making fun of retards on the internet.

And I think in reality- Passion ... this was what was the through line between these various communities. If you go back to the very early days, where you had the people who are now, like, right-wing influencers who back then were, like, atheist influencers or whatever, right? [00:06:00] They just liked dunking on anyone they could see as, as stupid, and then they started to feel like the Christians aren’t as fun to dunk on as the feminists.

And then they started to be like, “Oh, the wokies are the most fun to dunk on,” or the Tum- the Tumblr people are. And it drove sort of this political chain. But as for us and our theological beliefs, the quickest version is we think that the... We have a biblically literalist reading of the Bible that is materialist and monist.

Meaning that we a, a, we think that when the Bible says in the distant future humans are gonna be raised again that it’s talking about like, a, a, a super advanced entity in the distant future that is all-benevolent because humanity keeps evolving a billion years from now. And wants to give everybody who lived a virtuous life as long of a good life as possible, so it resurrects them.

And we try to go through. And we’re literalist, too. Like, we try to take the, the, go through all the translations and show how it could mean this. It’s crazy, I know.

Simone Collins: I think more succinctly, it’s, it’s an accelerationist tech-forward, [00:07:00] descendant worship religion that is based on a literal interpretation of the Bible

Nux Taku: Interesting.

Wow. Okay. So I, I thought it was a lot more like materialist focused, right? Like, you know, we want- It is ... humanity to survive, so therefore... No, no, I obvious- so I think that if you follow the Bible, it’ll have the best outcome for your life anyway, right? So- Yeah ... even if you were, like, the ultimate atheist, you know, utilitarian, you should still follow the Bible because it’ll give you the best lifestyle regardless.

Malcolm Collins: Th- that’s one of the things that we, we did a video recently when I was like, being an adult is recognizing that sins are just, like, a list of things that will F up your life. It’s basically like God gave us a list of like, you know, don’t, don’t cheat on your wife. You know, don’t, don’t have gang bangs.

Don’t-

Nux Taku: Okay, so-

Malcolm Collins: you know, ... I

Nux Taku: don’t wanna, I don’t wanna- ... murder ... correct you here or anything. I don’t, I don’t mean to cor- there is no Bible verse saying don’t cheat on your wife.

Malcolm Collins: Oh, okay. No, th- there isn’t because in- I, I’m just saying ... early Judaism you could have multiple wives, and we talk about that.

[00:08:00] Correct. You’re absolutely right. But, Correct ... I’m sure there’s some line you could take to mean that. But the point

Nux Taku: being is that- Yeah. You know, don’t be, don’t be adulterous. I mean, I guess you could, you could read into that.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I, and I actually agree with you on this. We point, we have whole episodes on the Bi- the, the when monogamy became a norm in Judaism.

But I don’t wanna... Th- that’s a, that’s a tangent. But the point being is, like, it’s just a bunch of stuff that’s gonna make your life worse. And it, it, as an adult as a kid I always felt like, oh, sins are things that are tempting, right? And it’s like humanity was given a list of like, don’t piss on the electric fence, and then immediately, like, a big portion of us just went immediately and pissed on the electric fence.

Because, I don’t know, we’re, we’re not supposed to do it or something

Nux Taku: Yeah, I suppose. But yeah, no, I, I agree with that. I actually think that morals come from there actually, you know. And, and in regards to Asmongold, like, I think Asmongold’s a really honest guy. So when, when I discuss the whole abortion thing, why my view has never changed really on abortion is ‘cause it says thou shalt not murder in the [00:09:00] Bible.

All right? So regardless, if, if a fetus is a human life, then killing it is murder, so therefore it’s bad, you know? So- And, and... Yeah? Sorry. No,

Malcolm Collins: so you’ve always had these views? Like all the way back to your early

Nux Taku: days or did you- Okay, so even in my early days, yeah, I had these views for sure. I, I definitely fleshed them out, my faith got a lot stronger.

But you know, basic stuff like don’t murder and don’t steal are pre- pretty consistent I think.

Malcolm Collins: Well, no, it’s, it’s very interesting because what I’m realizing from this conversation is a big part of the online transition has been people not coming to views they didn’t have historically, but feeling comfortable talking about them.

Nux Taku: Exactly. Exactly. A-

Malcolm Collins: actually, the irony is that you were less at risk of being canceled talking about pure degeneracy, like Metamorphosis or something like this- Absolutely ... than saying you shouldn’t have abortions.

Nux Taku: 100%. That, that, that’s the thing. The entire online space, be- it became super comfortable to hate God.

And it became super comfortable to follow, you [00:10:00] know, if you look at like leftist policy, it’s like a checklist of what Satan would tell you to do. You know? It’s like, you know, abort your babies and groom children and castrate them and, you know- Well- ... take money from people that earn it and give it to people that don’t.

I- that’s the list.

Malcolm Collins: And look at the toll that it leaves on these people. It’s not like they’re... I- if you look at like GDC and you see the people screaming at the sky, right? Like, that’s not a normal response. Like, that is somebody who’s had everything good taken from them in their life, and it’s

Nux Taku: really- Okay, but define normal.

Define normal. Sure. Y- your, the, your barometer only operates ‘cause you have a belief system. See, I define normal and morality based on God. All right? But, but if you view things as, well, I just want a good outcome for the most people, what does that even mean? What is good in that case?

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Well, I mean, I think the, the, the morality thing that you’re talking about here is, is interesting because by the definitions of society right now, you and us are weird because we don’t follow the, the normative cultural ethical set, which seems to be highly [00:11:00] deleterious to people living, like, fulfilling lives.

Nux Taku: I, I agree with you. I, I think that if you ask your average, like, liberal, enlightened liberal what, what morality is, it’s just basically if there’s consenting adults, it’s fine. That- that’s their only tenet- Yeah ... basically, because they don’t want bad things to happen to themselves. It’s selfish inherently.

They wanna be able to live whatever debaucherous lifestyle they could come up with, and they don’t want anyone to step on them. So therefore, their belief system based on this preference is, “Oh, if everyone consents, it’s fine.”

Malcolm Collins: Well, I think it, it... W- I, I really like that you’re drawing attention to this because you can see from this view of consent being the core of morality, where we keep seeing leftists get in hot water ideologically.

W- one of the episodes we have, we go over communist regimes and how many of them tried to lower the age of consent to, like, super low ages, like 11 or 12 or something like that. And- Yeah ... some socialist parties did. And, and the reason is, is because in reality, the reason we don’t sleep with children isn’t about consent.

Like, we [00:12:00] allow mentally disabled people to have sex. We allow elderly people to have sex. If you’re talking about a 15-year-old or something like that, they have a mental i- intelligence that’s higher than a, a nine-year-old. N- nobody has a problem when a nine-year-old has sex. It’s not about consent. It’s about what it does to that person and the effects it has on their life, right?

And I think that w- we see the famous Ch- Chuck clip where he’s like, “I don’t see anything wrong with having sex with an animal if you were like the one in...” Do you... Are you... Have you seen this clip? Sure.

Nux Taku: Go ahead. Yeah, I love that clip. You re- you mean to tell me that the inbred Islamist thinks that you can have sex with animals?

Weird. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Funny

Nux Taku: coincidence.

Malcolm Collins: No, you don’t have sex with animals ‘cause of the negative effects that has on your life, and, like, the diseases and all of the other negative effects. See,

Nux Taku: but you know what? Y- you, you bring us to a fantastic point because if you forget God for a second. Mm-hmm. Try to explain to me under a liberal worldview why you should not have sex with an animal

Malcolm Collins: You, there, there isn’t a good explanation.

That’s what these people are realizing. They just know-

Nux Taku: Because [00:13:00] they, because they can’t consent? Is that it? No, obviously not- That’s, no ... ‘cause you can eat meat. You could literally kill it- Yeah ... and eat it.

Simone Collins: Yeah, but

Nux Taku: then- So consent

Simone Collins: is not the issue Most of them don’t eat meat. Like true-

Malcolm Collins: No, they eat- ... true vegans don’t

Nux Taku: eat

chunks,

Malcolm Collins: freaking veals, Simone Chunk does. Chunk eats meat They torture babies cows. This is business. And even if they’re m-

Nux Taku: not

Malcolm Collins: m-

Nux Taku: And even, even if they didn’t eat meat ... if they’re eating dairy ... it, it’s irrelevant. If it’s all consent based, then what’s wrong with having sex with a corpse? It’s dead. It can’t consent.

What’s the difference?

Malcolm Collins: That’s a good point. And- That is a

Nux Taku: good

Malcolm Collins: point. I, it- There is

Nux Taku: no reason- It’s, it’s not ...

Malcolm Collins: as a progressive.

Nux Taku: Isn’t it illegal to have

Simone Collins: sex with corpses? But from a

Nux Taku: progressive mindset, they’re... I don’t think so. But why? Why not? Like, they, th- there’s no consent required. Okay, why is incest immoral according to the leftist worldview?

Why is it immoral to have s- y- you consent and your sibling consents. Really true.

Malcolm Collins: That makes sense. I hadn’t thought about all of the things this breaks, but it breaks a

Simone Collins: lot. Yeah, but, but it is, I think it’s immoral-

Nux Taku: It does ...

Simone Collins: because it- Because- ... it’s, it’s rural coded, and rural coded is conservative coded, and if it’s conservative it’s bad.

So incest- Okay, well- ... has to be bad.

Nux Taku: Okay, to be fair, incest happens [00:14:00] mostly in like Muslim countries, which is left wing at this point. So like, I don’t know.

Simone Collins: Right. But no, no, no. Like, in, in the leftist mind no one thinks about the life of someone in a Muslim or Islamic country. They only think in terms of the United States, and then if someone is Muslim or other, they’re just good.

They’re just good. Oh. Trust me. I

Nux Taku: forgot

Simone Collins: about that. Yeah. So like, like I don’t know who they are. They’re better than I am. Their culture is enlightened. Mine is bad. And my extra bad people are the hicks in the countryside who screw their cousins, so you know.

Nux Taku: But, but the point I’m making though is from their logical standpoint that as long as everyone consents it’s fine.

There is nothing wrong with this.

Malcolm Collins: Absolutely.

Nux Taku: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Well,

Nux Taku: that- And, and that’s, and, and that’s the degradation of every value and... Look, I think that it’s bad to have sex with your sibling ‘cause it says in the Bible not to have sex with your sibling. God said it actually.

Malcolm Collins: The It’s actually

Nux Taku: pretty simple

Malcolm Collins: the it, one thing I found pretty interesting that Simone said there is how leftists are not allowed to look at the reality of what it’s like in many of these countries, and I think we see an embodiment of that was Greta Thunberg [00:15:00] when she wouldn’t watch the voto- the, the video that like literally Hamas film- October 7th

Nux Taku: video.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Just like I don’t want to see reality because that interferes with the fantasy that I’m living in That was one

Nux Taku: I completely agree. If, I think, okay, so I mean, there’s a, a Bible verse, right? Torah Emet in Hebrew, right? That, Right ... the Torah is truth and or the Bible, the Torah is the Old Testament.

So essentially my, my perspective is if you are gonna continue going on your like anti-God path, you are going to consistently have an issue with truth. Reality is a major issue if you’re a leftist. You know, men could be women- Yeah ... and words don’t actually mean anything. And and Islamic countries are really actually based and good to gay people.

And you know, hon- and you don’t even need to live in reality at this point. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah.

Nux Taku: Because reality is bigoted.

Malcolm Collins: So when did you first feel comfortable? Like explain, was there a moment when you first felt comfortable saying this stuff or like [00:16:00] voicing this and

Nux Taku: what

Malcolm Collins: changed?

Nux Taku: So I, I, I feel like I’ve always tried to be honest.

I’ve just decided on things that I’d rather not get into because, you know, why... Like if I’m making anime videos, I’m not gonna start talking about abortion, you know? Like why divide my, my audience in half by, you know, talking about something that’s completely irrelevant to whatever content I’m making is.

But as time went on and I started talking about like internet drama and Hasan Piker, you know, advocates for me to get killed by Hamas terrorists ‘cause he says I’m, I’m an Israeli Nazi even though not. But anyway, so a- as time went on, now that I’m talking about politics and things, I’m, I feel a lot more comfortable saying the things.

I’ve been backstabbed by enough people that I don’t, I don’t really care if you disagree with me. That’s your American God-given right, you know? So

Malcolm Collins: yeah. So if you were gonna like, how much of it was the people attacking you for saying things that you thought was reasonable that radicalized you to want to say more of that stuff?

Nux Taku: To be honest, it’s not that they attack me that makes me wanna say it, it’s that it’s considered [00:17:00] inappropriate to say. Like it is super inappropriate in public in American like- Yeah ... probably not in like houses and closed doors ‘cause everyone would pro- like a lot of people would agree with this, but if I say that gay sex is degenerate, that is considered like a, a super taboo in American online culture.

That is very true,

Malcolm Collins: yeah.

Nux Taku: Right? Because it’s two consenting adults, so what’s the problem, right? That’s the, that’s the through line. But but so I don’t really care if people come after me for my opinions. It’s, it’s- So, so for you- ... just that it’s not acceptable to say

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Oh, that is, that is really fascinating.

I mean, it’s, it’s very different from us. We sort of got radicalized by the left or, or radicalized by your channel. But like, ... it was like us originally going viral over just being like, “Hey, birth rates are low.” And then people freaked out about that, and they’re like, “Well, then you must be a racist.”

Nux Taku: Yeah. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: And then-

Nux Taku: Because you can’t live in reality ...

Malcolm Collins: the thing that changed me the most was, like, the first time I started hanging out in [00:18:00] right-wing spaces or going to right-wing conferences, and I went and I was, you know, we’re... You know, you’re, you’re, you’re not... I, I don’t think you’ve done, like, a big face reveal or anything, so, so you don’t get noticed at conferences and stuff like that.

But like, going to conferences, having beliefs that I know are really outside of a lot of mainstream conservative norms, and I was afraid that I would be sort of grilled on them or made to feel like I wasn’t welcome or made to feel like an outsider, and instead I have felt the exact opposite, where when we were in leftist spaces, and we even did, like, leftist campaigning, politics, everything like that, it was a constant litmus test.

And I don’t think people on the right realize how much our side benefits from being nice to people who did things in the past that they regret now or are, w- in the process of changing and still being accepting of them

Nux Taku: So do you know my opinion on why that happens among right-wing people but not left-wing people?

Malcolm Collins: I, yeah give me your opinion. That’s

Nux Taku: [00:19:00] Because I think repentance is inherently a biblical trait. And forgiveness and repentance only exists if you could believe in God. Hmm. And if you are on the other side where it’s all about, you know, we’re all just a whole, a clump of atoms that are whizzing through a point, a purposeless space, then why ever repent?

Why ever do better? Why would I assume that you regret your mistakes and become a better person? I wouldn’t. It’s so much easier- Yeah ... to just throw you in the box. Whereas on the other side which, and more right-wing politics, obviously it’s not, not nearly conservative enough. Not, man, I wish Trump was the guy that the left thought he was, you know?

But- Yeah, right ... yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Actually, this is an interesting point in terms of making the lived sort of right-wing parties more conservative. One of the things that I think a lot of people a little, in our wider faction are annoyed with is in UK, you know, how progressive even parties like Reform or the AD- or A- A FDR in Germany or you know, MAGA in the United States and how do [00:20:00] you realistically shift the Overton window of what’s normal?

Like, what’s, what’s your thesis?

Nux Taku: That... So I, so ultimately every- all change takes time. Like, every time I see, like, the the accelerationists being like, “Oh, we have to vote for leftists so they can rape our country, and then- ... and then we’ll swing the other way,” it’s like, no, no, no. No, no. Trump is the swing, okay?

He is the swing the other way, and Trump is kind of a ‘90s liberal, you know?

Malcolm Collins: Like- He’s a very ‘90s liberal. He holds the- Yeah, we were

Simone Collins: just talking about this yesterday. He 100%

Malcolm Collins: is. It’s not just that he’s a ‘90s li- liberal, it’s that every one of his, like, top lieutenants was an anti-Trump leftist the first time he ran for office, whether it’s- Yeah

J.D. Vance or Elon or RFK- These-

Nux Taku: Yeah ...

Malcolm Collins: th- were all anti l- anti-Trump leftists, and now

Nux Taku: they’re all- And they, and they were all, they were all Democrats, and so d- you know, Joe Rogan was a Democrat, he endorsed him, you know. So I agree with you, and I think it’s mostly ‘cause the left completely went insane that you know, what, what was considered a [00:21:00] left of center person from the ‘90s is considered, like, the far right fascist today.

But I, I- Yeah ... think this stuff takes time, you know? I think that the, especially our generation is a lot more right wing than, you know, the boomers that are in Congress. So I think it takes time, you know? You keep electing more and more radical people as time goes on. You see someone betrays the, the tenets and, you know, you just get, get rid of them.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Get them out. Well, I mean, we, we are seeing this at rallies. I mean, obviously the famous saying, and I think you’ve covered this, is you go to the Biden rallies, the Su- No Kings rallies, and it’s a bunch of old people. Yeah ... and I, I hear this from our Israeli fans as well. They’re like, “All of the liberal parties in Israel are just like their parades are all super old people.”

Yeah ... a- and-

Nux Taku: Mostly women ...

Malcolm Collins: what, outbreeding them works. And in the- True ... United States we actually have a fairly decent fertility rate. This is, this is actually one of my biggest consternations about Nux, is you said that you were gonna stop streaming when you have a kid. And I was like, “I really want you to have a kid, but I don’t want you to stop streaming.”

Nux Taku: Well, when I said stop streaming, I [00:22:00] meant, like, live streaming. I would still be making videos probably. Oh,

Malcolm Collins: okay, okay ...

Nux Taku: it’s just, you know, when you’re live y- you wanna play with your kid, you know? You wanna, you wanna be there. So if you’re live streaming, you’re gonna be there for f- four hours in a row streaming.

You don’t wanna stop, you know. I’m not gonna pause, say, “Oh, sorry, gotta go play with my kid.” I’ll... So yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah.

It’s, it’s awesome,

Nux Taku: man ... so whatever.

Malcolm Collins: But anyway, I, we gotta, What would be the, a, a, a, a good place? Well, another thing I wanted to ask you about is your thoughts on the sort of online right being as ideologically diverse as it is. Mm. Like when you, you look at somebody like Asam Gold and his beliefs on abortion, or Shoe0nHead and her beliefs in communism or socialism and stuff like this, w- why do you think that we are this intellectually diverse?

Nux Taku: Again because I think to some extent repentance exists. You know, obviously I think that Asmongold’s takes on abortion are terrible. I think She Want Head’s takes on communism are terrible. You know, Asmongold because of thou shall not murder and you know, She Want Head ‘cause of thou shalt not steal.

But, Yeah ... [00:23:00] that said, I have faith. I have faith they’ll see the light because on the right you’re a truth seeker. You know? And that’s why- Yeah ... you have all the crazy conspiracy theories, ‘cause ultimately these people wanna figure out the truth.

Malcolm Collins: That’s

Nux Taku: a, I never thought about that ... they might get lost along the way, but on the left the truth doesn’t matter.

Men can be women on the left. N-

Malcolm Collins: The point that you made there that I’ve never thought about before is I’ve often joked to people when I first started going to, like, conservative conventions, the thing that shocked me the most is, like, everyone would just stop me and hand me, like, a printout of their private conspiracy theory.

It was like a conspiracy theory- ... like share lot. And I was like, “W- why are conspiracy theories so big?” And a lot of them turned out to be true, mind you. A lot. Like, a stupid amount that- They can be ... Caleb Tate was being funded by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Nux Taku: I could not... That was crazy.

Malcolm Collins: That just-

Nux Taku: Oh, my G- Worth, worth electing Trump just for that.

Malcolm Collins: That just- Really ... like happened and went and we don’t talk about it anymore.

Nux Taku: Yeah. Oh, my God. It’s insane. Insane.

Malcolm Collins: That, but- Like,

Nux Taku: there was so little racism that they had to pay for it. Unreal.

Malcolm Collins: They I, well, and I think [00:24:00] that it’s important, I mean, this is something we always fight for in our video, that like, yes, like racial groups, there may be reasons to have animosity or ethnic pride or pride in your culture, but if we make the right a space where other people don’t feel comfortable, then we’re not gonna win elections.

And I think it’s really important to- Also true ... counter those sorts of narratives. But fortunately we’ve done a good job. I mean, we pushed Nick Fuentes out of the party, right? Like, he’s a Democrat now. So that’s... No, he said, “I’m a moderate Democrat.” Yeah. Do you see that?

Nux Taku: Yeah, I saw that. And then he said that if the left ever wins I have to flee the country ‘cause they’re gonna kill me.

So, you know, whatever. I, I-

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. All liberals ... a lot, a lot of

Nux Taku: what he says is hyperbole anyway, so you know.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Actually, how do you think about this? Because one of the things that I see the most in your channel, that I also see in his channel, is really sort of high, positive, happy energy. Is this something you do intentionally?

Is it just the way you are 24/7?

Nux Taku: I, I am generally a positive guy. I have faith, okay? I have faith [00:25:00] it’ll... It, it’s all part of the plan. You know, even, even the bad news is, like, secretly part of the good news. We just didn’t figure that out yet. So, no, I, I have a lot of faith that things are actually looking up.

I am generally an optimistic guy, and again, it says in the Bible to be happy. It’s like-

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, the thing that I’m most surprised about on this stream that I was not aware of, of you is one, just how much you’ve always held these beliefs, and two, that these beliefs are all downstream. I don’t want to say like a, a, a, a, a wind-up Jew, but like they are what...

If you just followed all of the stuff that it said, all the stuff the religion said, it’s where you would come ideologically.

Nux Taku: I, I am a Pentateuch extremist. You had such a cool name for your ideology, I had to come up with one.

Malcolm Collins: But, Yeah. Make one up and con- convert people. Give it... I mean, our ideology is very heretical to the right, so you know, we’ll see.

But we got, we got followers now, too, so that’s, that’s cool.

Nux Taku: Yeah ...

Malcolm Collins: I mean, I belie- Look, I... If you go back, Jewish teachings, they often talk about heaven as a place in the future. They talk about, like, the sons of [00:26:00] man. Why would you need to talk about the sons of man? That’s a weird word, unless we were destined to colonize space one day and have different genetic variants of humanity.

Anyhow, I get too... but-

Nux Taku: I love this stuff. I could nerd out on this for sure. Yeah. Yeah. I, I have theories. I, I do too. I’m with you. If you think-

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Oh, what, what’s your craziest theory? I w- c- let’s go craziest Bible theory.

Nux Taku: Craziest theory? I don’t think I have a craziest theory. What’s

Simone Collins: like any theory?

Any theory.

Malcolm Collins: Oh,

Nux Taku: a like Bible theory? The, dude, I, I’ll come up with one, I’ll tell you

Malcolm Collins: I’ll give you my Adam and Eve crazy

Nux Taku: theory.

Malcolm Collins: Sorry? I’ll give you, I’ll give you my Adam and Eve crazy theory, okay? All right,

Nux Taku: go for it. So,

Malcolm Collins: In Adam-

Nux Taku: All right, and then I’ll, I’ll give you one. I thought of one. I thought of one of mine.

Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Go for it. In Adam and Eve when I first started becoming, like, religious again and rereading these stories, I wanted to go to the ones that seemed on the face I didn’t understand it. I didn’t understand why God would punish man for wanting knowledge of good and evil. That didn’t sit right with me.

So then I went to the story, and I looked at what actually happened in the story, and we know that the first thing that man did when he got the knowledge of good and evil [00:27:00] was to clothe himself, yet I don’t think anyone thinks it’s sinful to be naked in front of God and your wife. So, and we know that God allowed him to be naked in the garden as well, so it, it said that he had the type of knowledge of good and evil that God had.

So clearly that’s not exactly what it meant. And then I thought about, oh, what is the idea of, like, shame around nudity around your wife and God? That’s man making up his own rules about what’s good and evil in opposition to God. And then I noticed that actually up until that point, man only had one rule, which was don’t eat from that one tree, and it said that he like, the, the, the, he, basically the curse sort of applied to him the moment he reached for the tree.

That’s when he gained the knowledge, not when he ate from it, because that was the moment he decided to disobey God and decided that man knows more about what good and evil is than God does. That’s my-

Nux Taku: That’s a good theory. I like it. That’s cool. No, that’s really cool. That’s a good- so, I mean, kind of on a tangent on, on yours though, before I, before I tell you my really kooky one.

Good [00:28:00] and evil is free will.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah.

Nux Taku: Because if, if there would be no such thing as evil then, you know, we wouldn’t have some sort of- Oh, that’s a good way to put it ... evil inclination telling, telling us to do bad things all the time. We would just do the good things all the time. We wouldn’t even have the will to do bad things.

So evil, the existence of evil is the existence of free will. Hmm. And the reason why we exist at all in this world, like if you think about it, why, why did God need to create us at all? Like, what, what’s cool about us to exist? I’ll tie it into my cool, my other theory. If God- Tie it

Malcolm Collins: in. I’m interested to hear

Nux Taku: if God is everything, right? ‘Cause Go- God is, he fills all things, he surrounds all things, you know, he is everything, right? So that means technically we are all part of God as well. He’s everything. Now, he, he hides himself from us so that we have free will, but we’re also s- we’re still part of God to some extent.

So y- you ever hear like the the, like the God paradoxes? Like, okay, so if God could do anything, could God repent? Could God get better at things? And it’s like, no God’s perfect. I,

Malcolm Collins: I’ve heard these- But wouldn’t repenting- ... but I don’t [00:29:00] find them very compelling.

Nux Taku: Well, I, I, I have a way to... All right. So I’ll, I’ll finish my, my thing.

Malcolm Collins: Okay.

Nux Taku: If we are part of God, then us repenting is the part of God that could repent. So we are part of the perfection of God due to us being imperfect.

Malcolm Collins: Oh, that’s really clever.

Simone Collins: Hmm.

Malcolm Collins: That’s really clever. That’s really clever. You should be proud of that one. I also have never heard that one in my life.

Simone Collins: Never, yeah.

Nor have I.

Malcolm Collins: That’s a good... Damn. Y-

Nux Taku: That, that, that one’s like a bit- That’s a good- It’s a bit of a mind f**k. Like if... Th- the issue with this one is like I feel like it sounds almost heretical. What, would you perfect God? It’s like, no, no, I don’t perfect God. God’s perfect. And all of his creations are exactly what he wanted them to be.

So all of his- Yeah ... creations are pa- part of God’s perfectness. And so our imperfection is part of God’s perfectness

Malcolm Collins: Wow. Okay, so here’s a, here’s a side question, right? You, in the early days, were into [00:30:00] stuff like anime and the, you know... I mean, you’re still into it. You watch Adventure Time. Adventure Time’s great, by the way.

Have you not actually watched all of Adventure Time?

Nux Taku: Yeah, it’s great. No, I haven’t. I haven’t.

Malcolm Collins: You gotta-

Nux Taku: I’m working on it. I’m working on it.

Malcolm Collins: When you have kids, you should watch that with your kids. I

Nux Taku: will.

Simone Collins: Our kids really like Adventure Time, but they also, I think they have, like, or ‘90s and ‘80s cartoons more, if we’re being honest here, so.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, we basically- Yeah ... only play ‘90 and ‘80s cartoons for our kids, like G.I. Joes and stuff. Makes sense. So they get the- Everything else is,

Nux Taku: like, gay.

Malcolm Collins: Truly though. They, they literally, like we’ll show them a globe and we’re like, “This is China,” and they’re like, “Okay, well maybe one day we should, we should take China and make them fight for us,” he said.

Nux Taku: Yes. Dude, kids are awesome.

Malcolm Collins: They really are. Awesome. Okay. Like,

Nux Taku: you ask a kid, “Should you win wars?” And your kids will be like, “Duh, of course you should win wars.” And then you ask, like, some UN politician, “Should you win wars?” “No.” Winning wars- For real ... is terrible. For

Simone Collins: real. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: But, like, what drew you into the sort of antimate- anime and performatively subversive [00:31:00] world?

Nux Taku: Originally YouTube was a hobby. Like, you know, I liked anime and I, I needed an outlet. And and I started making videos on it, and I liked it. And then I started making fun of retards, like, in the anime world. And that evolved into, like, actually we could broaden our horizons. There’s a lot of retards.

, And, and here we are. But, but originally it was just a hobby. Like, I never expected to make money off this or anything.

Malcolm Collins: So it’s just like... Yeah, we have a, a larger theory on this. I don’t know if you’ve ever heard our theory on, like, what happened here, but if you go back to the ‘90s in the United States the conservative faction had two key cultural groups.

There was the the, the... What were the, what were the Southern people again called, Simone?

Simone Collins: Cavaliers.

Malcolm Collins: The Cavaliers which was a, a Deep South sort of aristocratic culture. And then you had the greater Appalachia region, which was the backwoods people, which had sort of an anti-aristocratic culture.

And when we look at, like, what this represented in the ‘90s, this is what we call truck nut conservatives or something like that, right? Like, the guy who’s obviously a conservative but puts, like, sexy women on mud flaps on his trucker, right? You know. He had this sort of performative subversion to him.

And what we’ve seen, we [00:32:00] can even see this in voting patterns, is that the right has moved more to this truck nut conservative type. And the reason is, is that the left- I have a theory ... the, the, yeah, the urban monoculture as we call it, ended up figuring out it could control people by saying, you know, “This is degenerate,” or bad or harmful to society.

And then as soon as you said, “Well, I’m not gonna do the things that are, you know, bad,” right, they can just grab that and constantly expand that category. So the only way that we as a movement were able to subvert that and even signal to other people within the movement, “No, I’m chill, bro,” is through su- subversion of, of cultural norms that are not inherently actually bad.

A, a good examp- You could... You were gonna say something?

Nux Taku: I, yeah, I, I think that, I, I thought what you were gonna get to is, like, it’s so weird how, like, you have all these, like, you know, trucker guys and, you know, they like sexy women and stuff, and it’s like they’re conservatives. Like, you’d think that they would [00:33:00] be, like, prudish.

I thought that’s what you were getting to.

Malcolm Collins: Well, no, there’s always been a part of American culture that was conservative in an anti-a- authority sort of way, at a, an anti-aristocratic sort of way, a way where-

Nux Taku: I think masculinity is inherently right wing.

Malcolm Collins: W- I agree. R- r- I agree with that. But I think that there there, there was sort of this fear of anyone, because the left uses this so powerfully, of anyone being able to call rank on us, you know?

I have the X degree. I have the X qualifications. I decide what’s right. I have

Nux Taku: X chromosomes.

Malcolm Collins: Right, yeah. And to fight that, we had to be subversive so that people would understand that we weren’t... Like, you don’t, Asmongold does anywhere in any of his videos, anywhere in your videos, do you signal that you think you’re better than other people.

And-

Nux Taku: I don’t think I’m better than other people. Yeah ... I think that everyone was created in the image of God. But I think some cultures suck s**t and we don’t need to import them here.

Malcolm Collins: That is true.

Nux Taku: And it’s not, you know, that, that is not, like, a [00:34:00] contradiction.

Malcolm Collins: But this is- Yeah ... super common on the left.

Like, Hasan’s outfits, if you look at the cost of, like, his basic outfit, his dog being the most expensive dog breed in the world. Right. Right?

Nux Taku: W- which he electrocutes, by the way. Don’t

Malcolm Collins: forget. Which he electrocutes, yeah. And it’s caused really interesting phenomenon that have given us a cultural edge in the current landscape.

One really big one is the left somehow became the anti-AI party and the right’s, like, a super pro-AI party. And we’re the ones that g- have our sky brows and our, all of these AI music videos- Yeah, yeah ... and stuff.

Nux Taku: Again, I, I think, I think, I feel like so many of these things are, like, the same issue just repackaged.

It’s because the right realizes that reality is real. AI is not leaving, okay? So yeah, artists are gonna lose their jobs, and that sucks for them, but that’s called progress, and I’m sorry that happened, but life moves on. You know, a lot of seamstresses lost their jobs when sewing machines were invented.

Yeah. Does that mean we should not have sewing machines? And the left, [00:35:00] because the left has decided that you know, they, they basically, you know, have become the party of the, you know, anti-reality retards. All right? They, they hate AI because they would like to still make believe that AI is not happening, and that’s not real life.

True.

Malcolm Collins: No, and, and that’s, I mean, that’s a strong argument for AI. There’s just nothing we can do about it. And if we do do something about it, then we become like Europe and we drop off the, the global economy- Yeah ... and China ends up crushing us.

Nux Taku: Yeah, absolutely. AI’s here. It’s here to stay. It’s not going anywhere.

People are gonna use it. Make the most of it. Yeah. Don’t be a victim.

Malcolm Collins: Well, I, I think that there’s also sort of the, this sort of also performative, performative subversion that we see in AI, like Skybrow’s Cream of the Slop, this idea of like, yeah, okay, it’s AI slop. Whatever. It’s still fun. And-

Nux Taku: There’s a self-awareness there

Malcolm Collins: yeah. Well, I mean, it’s become the part... It reminds me of the scene in Madagascar, a children’s cartoon. I don’t know if you’ve seen it where they- I’ve seen it ... th- th- you’ve seen it? Mm. Yeah. Where they, they divide a, a, an island into the fun side and the not fun side. And in the [00:36:00] not fun side- ... he’s just sad about being trapped there, and his sign collapses to say, “Hell.”

And in the fun side, they’re all having fun, right? Like they’re, they’ve made a little tiki hut. They’re drinking their fake drinks, spitting them out afterwards, of course, ‘cause it’s all seawater. You know, none- everything isn’t actually perfect, but they get to have fun and pretend like it. And coming to the right, for me, felt like coming to the fun side.

Like, y- yeah, you know?

Nux Taku: Yeah. You know, you don’t have to t- not everything is super serious. I mean, like, on the left they think mental illnesses are superpowers, you know? So th- they’ll sit there and collect mental illnesses like they’re Pokemon and and you’re gonna be surprised that these are, like, the most miserable people on the planet?

Malcolm Collins: A- a- admittedly, Candace Owens probably does too, right? You know. But we- You

Nux Taku: assume she’s right-wing ...

Malcolm Collins: Fair. Very, very fair. Yeah, she has a lot of leftist positions. Yeah. But I would s- I, it

Nux Taku: w- She, she used to run a website called Social Autopsy. Did you hear about this? Y- you

Malcolm Collins: know, that- [00:37:00] Yeah ... she, she, was it, like, anti-bullying?

Go, go into, go into the lore.

Nux Taku: Yeah. So, so anti, Social Autopsy was, like, this website to basically dox right-wing people. Like, you know, of course, this is the classic leftist tactic. It’s like, oh, right-wing people that believe in literally anything, oh, they must be bullies, so we have to destroy them and ruin their lives.

And she was a leftist, like one of these crazy radical leftists that would actually dox people until she realized that the grift was better to be, like, the, the Black woman against BLM, you know? And and that was her new grift, et cetera. Y-

Malcolm Collins: you know she thinks Charlie Kirk was a time traveler

Nux Taku: Well, she does think that Israel and E- Egypt are working together with Sumerian time travel technology to kill Charlie Kirk ‘cause he was an X-Man.

Simone Collins: Someone’s got to.

Nux Taku: Yeah. Yeah, I guess.

Malcolm Collins: We have an episode on this, Psychosis Maxxing, if you guys wanna watch it. It’s f*****g crazy-

Simone Collins: Oh, that should be so great ... her world perspective. But no, truly, like her unholstered schizophrenia has actually been very profitable. I mean, unfortunately she is a case in which some form of, I don’t know what it is, but it’s working for her, like really [00:38:00] well.

God. Whenever we criticize her- Yeah ... like people are coming into our comments being like, “Well, but I love it.”

Nux Taku: I

Simone Collins: get those too ... “She’s got some great points.”

Nux Taku: And, and then I, then I had to make like a whole like hour and a half long video just piecing apart all of her... She says that the Jews invented dinosaurs to trick Christians into thinking God isn’t real.

Malcolm Collins: That-

Nux Taku: There are so many layers to that one sentence- Jews invented dinosaurs ... it’s

Malcolm Collins: unreal ... it’s unbelievable. Like what? All that-

Simone Collins: That is a yes and. The only response to that is yes, and. Come on. To give

Malcolm Collins: her credit, she doesn’t just rehash old conspiracy theories. Her world is almost like Tolkien’s world, where like she invented a totally new world of conspiracy theories.

Yeah.

Nux Taku: Okay. You are giving her way too much credit. She takes every old conspiracy in the book and then just blames the Jews for it. Okay? Actually, it’s the oldest style conspiracy theory.

Malcolm Collins: That is an

Simone Collins: interesting twist. It adds color. It’s more fun with Jews, though. I mean, let’s, it’s, it

Nux Taku: just- Yeah, Jews, they’re great.

Simone Collins: It’s like adding salt to a dish. Jews. Like you need it. It’s, it’s the MSG of, of lore, you know? It’s just-

Nux Taku: Sure, sure.

Malcolm Collins: I mean, but [00:39:00] realistically- Great ... this, I mean, this is where we are on our channel on this, and everyone’s always like, ‘cause we get some people on our channel who are like anti-Jew or whatever.

I’m like, bro, the only people who matter in the future are the people who have lots of kids and still have technology. Some groups have a lot of kids and they do it by give, give, not having technology or not being economically productive. There’s only two groups on earth that have that right now, and one of them is the Jews, and they’re even beating us at fertility rates, right?

So, we’ve gotta take that seriously, right? Like the, the, being partnered with them is a lot better than being on their bad side, or that becomes the new human war, US versus Israel. But-

Nux Taku: I mean, I, I feel like there is a reason why there are so many foreign governments that are doing everything in their power to kind of be like, “Oh my God, do you, do you believe Israel is, you know, killing terrorists that are trying to kill them?”

It’s like, what? You know? And you know, doing everything. Like you have Russia promoting Candace Owens and, and Tucker Carlson, and you, k- Tucker Carlson’s buying a house in Qatar. I love America so much. I’m buying a house in Qatar . [00:40:00] You know? It’s like, all right, dude. Crazy. Yeah, sure. Right? Well, I gotta- And so many of these

Malcolm Collins: I think a part of it is and we have an episode where we go over this, is that the internet has shifted of who the primary viewer is over the past 10 years, and now your average internet viewer is a third worlder.

And a lot of these people don’t realize, like, they’re... W- why, why, like why all the, the weird Indian hate in, in the United States? Like, yes, there’s problems with them and jobs and everything like that, but they’re not as big a problem as the people, like, murdering us on the streets and stuff like that, right?

And it’s like, well, because this matters to third worlders. Jews matter to third worlders. Like all these, you know, M- Middle Eastern countries, the, the Jews is what they think about every day. And so I think some online influencers don’t realize that they have really just captured a third world audience.

Nux Taku: Don’t realize or don’t care?

Malcolm Collins: Don’t care. You’re right. I mean- I mean,

Nux Taku: you have someone with the million views. Yeah, it’s from packing-

Malcolm Collins: Sneako, right? Hey. Sneako just, just speed running that.

Nux Taku: Bro, Sneako, he’s like, actually [00:41:00] retarded. It’s amazing.

Malcolm Collins: He’s like, “I wa- I wanna be s-” Oh my God ... specifically make all of my content maximally appealing to third worlders.

Nux Taku: He, he’s amazing. He’s amazing. I- Sneako’s incredible. It’s a, it’s train wreck in slow motion. You know, bro goes out there to piss off the Christians and he’s like, “Oh, Jesus wasn’t white. Oh, Jesus was a Jew from Palestine.” Yeah, I’m sure he was. I’m sure he was. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: You’re, you’re,

Nux Taku: So you mean to tell me that the Jews are indigenous to Palestine, Sneako?

Malcolm Collins: “No, no, what do you mean?” That, that’s wild. Yeah, no, I... Your, your video on him, this, this was one of the fun things for me recently is, i- you were looking at his numbers and you’re like, “Look at how terrible these numbers are,” and I was like We’re, we’re not that much bigger. But I’m like, “But I guess he’s in decline.”

And then when I heard that he- Okay,

Nux Taku: hold up, hold up. Th- that’s not fair. First of all, you cannot compare. Sneako has millions of subscribers, he’s well-known, people talk about him, he’s like public, he- p- in the public discourse, he was on every big show. You know- True ... he was col- he collabed with every big guy on the planet.

Adin Ross, and Andrew [00:42:00] Tate, and Nick Fuentes, and he was on Piers Morgan, and he hung out with- True ... Kanye West. He was with all the big guys, and no one wants to watch his slop.

Malcolm Collins: That is true. Which is stupid as f**k ... but the thing that gave me heart recently was learning that you didn’t get to 100,000 views until your fourth year of doing this, and we’re only at year three now.

That’s true. So we’re, we’re- Yeah ... on track to hit your numbers if we just never stop.

Nux Taku: Yeah ...

Malcolm Collins: which is okay.

Nux Taku: Look numbers are ... l- it was definitely a big trade-off when I decided, you know what, I’m gonna be I’m just gonna say all the things that I like instead of just become, be generic normie slop.

Like, at some point I was just like, “I’ll just do all the YouTube drama. I won’t, like, have any edgy opinions.” And I was like, “Why? F**k that s**t, dude.” I want, I want the world to be better for my kids, you know?

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. No, I mean, the, it, it’s fas- when we first came, even with our reboot in this channel our entire, like, theme with the channel and goal with the channel was just, like, basically, like, effective altruist philosophy, right?

Like, r- r- r- really basic leftist high-minded philosophy, because back then I still had this desire to be [00:43:00] seen as, like, this intellectual, and I think shedding that desire and realizing that I wanted to be seen for who I was and, and, and as a culture warrior it was something that I was only able to do.

And again, I really want to just emphasize this to people on the right, because when we started to make those transitions, people on the right supported us and they were nice to us even though we had only just begun to transition. And well, I mean, look at you coming on our show, for example, and you’re so much bigger than us.

You have no reason to do this other than just being completely magnanimous, right? It, it, it-

Nux Taku: It’s

Malcolm Collins: really

Nux Taku: nice of you ...

Malcolm Collins: it only- No, it’s

Nux Taku: purely selfish. I just think you guys are cool and, Oh ... I wanted to do this.

Malcolm Collins: But I want to... Actually, what I wanna talk about before we close this out, because this is something I talked a, a little bit about, and we can see if we can get fans involved if they’re interested in this.

But I’ve been thinking about setting up some form of formal sort of political organization for the- wider sort of cultural movement that we represent. Because, you know, when I go to my friends at like the Heritage Foundation or whatever, and [00:44:00] I’m talking to them about like, “You know, like I, I don’t think like censoring furries is gonna play well among a lot of right-wing people.”

And they’re like, “What are you talking about?” I’m like, “Well, you know all the fox girl VTubers.” And they’re like, “What are you talking about?” And I’m like like maybe we need like- ... some, some form of i- even, even an outreach group.” So I was thinking like, what if we try to set something up and get some buy-in from the various big name voices in the movement so that they can guide.

Because I don’t want something where like I’m guiding policy. Something like a, a Turning Point USA, but that’s focused on this sort of nerd right faction. What are your thoughts on putting something like that together and even the utility of something like that?

Nux Taku: It sounds really cool. I, I, I wonder what the major purpose is, and I, and I’ll explain what I mean.

Turning Point USA is successful and incredible because frankly it’s an alternative to the college slop.

Malcolm Collins: Mm-hmm.

Nux Taku: Right? You know, you go into- Mm ... the college system, and you’re literally, th- they put the, the, [00:45:00] you know, the, the hypnosis screen in front of you and they, they just replay images of whatever the f**k they want to in- you know, install in your mind.

So I think Turning Point USA is an alternative. It’s like, “Hey, you could follow that path and be an incredibly unhappy cat woman with debt at the age of 60. Or you could follow our path, and you could like have a family and be successful.” And it’s like, wait a second. That makes- Hold up. You know?

Actually, I, I- So Turning Point USA is really effective there. When it comes to I, I guess our movement or the, the new right, the online right, I, I don’t know if it needs a grass gr- grassroots idea.

Malcolm Collins: That’s actually a really good point. I, I think you just need to- Those things are... Now that I think about it, you’re right.

They’re sort of over and useless now. We, we actually were going over how if you look at Ben Shapiro, he appears to just be buying everything now or buying ads on things. Yep. And treating... His organization is just like a fundraising organization that pretends to be able to influence policy. And this reminds me, one of the anecdotes I say is when the new administration was being [00:46:00] staffed, this version of the Trump administration, the network they were tapping was the Founders Fund network and not like the Heritage Foundation and stuff like that.

Like, we had to make the intros for the Heritage Foundation people. And what I realized is I think even like the ins- the, the true MAGA, like who are staffing things, they’re like, “We’re not staffing. We’re not allowing these people to influence our policy anymore. We’re just taking like based Doge kids.”

By the way, you know, my brother worked at Doge.

Nux Taku: No way.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah,

Nux Taku: yeah. Dude, that’s awesome.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, yeah. Huh. That was,

Nux Taku: I’m a big fan of Doge. I wish they would’ve been like even more successful.

Simone Collins: Same.

Malcolm Collins: They, they did some really cool stuff. Now

Nux Taku: to something

Malcolm Collins: completely different.

Nux Taku: But that’s where like

Simone Collins: I’m hesitant- They, they shut down-

about policy in general. I, I, I have my doubts that like- Any, any sort of policy change is gonna make a, a difference at this point or like going into politics matters I

Nux Taku: mean, I think we, we need to get rid of the government. Okay? I

Simone Collins: only

Nux Taku: want the government- That’s, that’s my only conclusion here ... to exist for law and order.

I just want law and order. Arrest the criminals, [00:47:00] close the border, win wars if you need to fight them. Other than that, I really don’t wanna hear about you guys

Simone Collins: Well, and the writing is kind of on the wall. Like what we talk about a lot is demographic collapse, and when you look at just how tax bases are going to crumble, how social services won’t be able to be supported anymore, how our government’s basically going to start printing currency in really unsustainable ways- Yeah

until it no longer matters like there, there will be a point at which there is going to be actually very significant various forms of turnover in the government. So I’m kind of like, well, I guess I’m just gonna- So

Malcolm Collins: like Social Security, how long till it goes broke?

Simone Collins: I think 2032. 2030 something.

Yeah, 2032. Well, my concern is, like there’s two ways it can go. Either at, at that year the trust fund’s gonna run out to the point where y- the existing senior citizens receiving Social Security payments will have like 32 or something percent less of their monthly checks. So they’re gonna be super pissed while like Gen Z and Gen Alpha and millennials and everyone else is still paying into it knowing that they’re not gonna get anything, and the people who are getting their money are mad about it and resentful.

So everyone’s [00:48:00] gonna be really angry about it. Or they’re gonna do something where they just totally throw the rules out the window and they’re like, “Oh, never mind, everyone gets to keep their money,” and they just kind of print it out of nowhere. And- It’s

Nux Taku: almost like Social Security is a form of communism that doesn’t really work.

Simone Collins: Yeah. We live in a huge, like just in terms of social services, like we are in such a socialist state now. If you are at or near the poverty level, the amount of support that you get from your state and the federal government is, is kind of humbling, and we didn’t realize this until we looked into it. But like in most cases especially if you ca- have kids, food assistance home assistance, free childcare, i- like really in- intense levels of support that are, are, are...

Oh free healthcare, which is like huge. So you kind of do live in a socialist utopia if you are at or near the poverty level. We

Malcolm Collins: offer many times the social services cost adjusted than China does.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Like in China- Which is another- ... public school isn’t free. In

Nux Taku: fact, our, our social services, I’m pretty sure they, they out...

Like th- if you combine the military budget and the foreign aid budget, it’s still [00:49:00] dwarfed by the social services.

Malcolm Collins: Oh,

Simone Collins: yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then of course pensions and then of course like debt servicing. Like it just- I mean, the true

Malcolm Collins: enemy of civilization-

Nux Taku: Again, I, I mention I am a, a Pentateuch extremist, okay?

All right? Like the- Yeah ... it, there are, there is no communism in the Bible. None of it, actually, you know? That’s unfair. You give whatever-

Simone Collins: What is your point? ...

Nux Taku: 10% to charity, okay? Charity, whatever, whatever you wanna define as charity. And other than that, what you make is yours. From the sweat of your brow you should eat bread.

Simone Collins: There you go.

Nux Taku: And that’s it. And I’m tired of it. The, one, one of the first chapters in the Bible is like Abraham, he goes to Ephron to buy a, a plot of land where he could bury his wife. And he’s like, “Hey, I would like to buy the land.” And Ephron’s like, “No, no, you don’t need to buy the land. Just bury your wife here.”

And he’s like, “No, no, no, I’m buying the land. We’re not, we’re not getting into this.” This like, “Oopsie whoopsie.” And he’s like, “Okay, it’ll cost X amount.” And and he bought it, and it was his. And you know what? We still know where that land is exactly in Hebron. We know where it is. We know that you know, all the patriarchs and matriarchs are buried [00:50:00] there et cetera, et cetera.

And it’s like it’s still there, you know? There’s no, no repossessing- Yes ... you know, redistributing. I-

Simone Collins: And in,

Malcolm Collins: I did not know that that was still known or wasn’t. The the I- I mean we also know from, you know, Adam and Eve and everything like that, that like we are supposed to live with having to, to work the land.

Like, we’re supposed to have to work to support ourselves, and it

Nux Taku: makes- And so do you wanna hear another theory?

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, o- ca- continue.

Nux Taku: Yes. Another theory. So God, all right, th- this is the same topic. God cursed both Adam and Eve when they ate from the tree of knowledge, right? Mm-hmm. So Adam’s curse was the sweat of, from the sweat of your brow you shall eat bread, all right?

Meaning you have to work to eat, as opposed to just, you know, God’ll just give you all the things for free. And Eve’s punishment was, you know, men will rule over you and it, you know, it’ll be painful. The child birthing process will be painful, right? So that was Eve’s punishment. Now I would argue not only, first of all, obviously true, right?

Yeah. That, that actually did happen to humans for, since then. That’s one. But [00:51:00] two, it’s necessary. It’s part of our psyche to feel fulfilled as people to exist in a system where the man works and where women are ultimately respecting men.

Malcolm Collins: We- and we actually, this is another one of our spicy takes, but we, yeah, we argue that as well, that like God was not being capriciously cruel to humanity by giving what we interpreted as curses, but giving us a way of living that is fulfilling, and that as we have shaken off this way of living, we realize that this was more like training wheels than a genuine punishment.

Simone Collins: Yeah. And things

Nux Taku: like, And now you have, and now everyone’s depressed. Yeah. Like, the men don’t work and they’re depressed. Now the women don’t have kids and they’re depressed, and it’s like-

Malcolm Collins: And they’re not a little- Yeah, yeah ... depressed. Right now the average kid at school, during COVID it was one in four, now it’s one in five, the average girl makes a plan to un-alive herself on any given year.

That is how sa- that is how-

Simone Collins: Well, the weird thing is, is- Damn ... women in the absence of pain crave pain

Malcolm Collins: This

Simone Collins: is CDC

Malcolm Collins: stats, by the way. Not,

Simone Collins: like, a,

Malcolm Collins: a right-wing conspiracy

Simone Collins: Yeah, [00:52:00] but I mean, if you look at just anecdotally, women in the absence of pain crave pain. When women live in... Like, if, if you look at spoonies, they’re majority affluent teen girls who basically have no other pain in their lives, and they’re like, “I’ve been developed-” Well, look at, look at women’s books

“This mysterious disease” It’s all, like, dystopian futures where they, they live in- Yeah. Yeah, women growing up in, in peaceful times with no conflict love to read dystopian teen novels. I’m reading Lena Dunham, L- Lena Dunham, Dunham’s fame sick biography now, and, like, she had horrible partners who would do violent, awful things to her ‘cause she grew up in a, like, loving family that always supported her.

Like, there’s... It’s kind of sick how people respond when, yeah, they grow up in sort of the absence- ... of pain and strife. It, it is one of those things where like, yeah And if, if you

Nux Taku: ever wanna get radicalized, you go into, like, a Barnes & Noble women’s section-

Simone Collins: Yeah ...

Nux Taku: and it’s like, yo- Yeah,

Malcolm Collins: we

Nux Taku: talk about

Malcolm Collins: that. I get

Nux Taku: so- We- You know, woman was raped by a werewolf billionaire and fell in love with him.

I, I- It’s like-

Simone Collins: Living the dream

Malcolm Collins: We, we get so annoyed by... Because there’s some right-wing influencer, women especially, who are like, “Oh, it’s all of this [00:53:00] male porn that, like, radicalized men.” I’m like, “Men didn’t make 50 Shades of Gray a bestseller.” Yeah. Men didn’t make The Monster at Barnes & Noble, right? Like-

Simone Collins: No, l- legit, men don’t wanna do that on average because it’s too much effort.

This is definitely a female fantasy. Men are like, “I don’t have... I don’t, no.” I

Nux Taku: mean, I, I think also because men, men are mostly stimulated by, I guess, superficial attributes, I would say. You know? Mm-hmm. A sexy woman, and that’s it. Men, he’s good. You know, you see some curvy piece of driftwood and, you know-

men are like, “We can figure this out.” But for women-

Simone Collins: No, no, like literally- ... I think a lot, a lot of it’s- ... Malcolm and I had a conversation last night ...

Nux Taku: you have to get emotionally

Simone Collins: invested, you know? Yeah. We were... I, I... Like, Malcolm walked up to me last night and I was like, “Malcolm, how do... With sex dolls, how do they deal with, like, the off-gassing scent?

Like, doesn’t that really... Like, there must be some way.” Malcolm’s like, “No, Simone, they don’t care. Like, it looks like a woman.” Like, I’m talking about for real dolls, like, the, the life-sized ones. Yeah. And I’m, like, thinking about how, like, well, it must smell too much like plastic. Like, how do you deal with that?

And he’s like-

Nux Taku: Men do [00:54:00] not care. Men do not care.

Simone Collins: Oh, well. Anyway.

Nux Taku: You know- So I think w- a- get- the Monster F****r Island Barnes & Noble, that’s just as porn as any male porn. Oh,

Simone Collins: it- Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like- Yeah ... but not, not even that, just, like, all, all the erotic materials. Women consume way more erotic materials, period, than men.

And pay way more for it. And the, and the industry’s bigger. It’s, it’s more, there’s more money there. There’s more time there. And women are just openly reading it like, in public. It’s just no shame. They’re, they’re learned women. It’s book talk. It’s great. They, they talk about

Nux Taku: it. The whoreification of society.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. True. True. Well, it has been great. I do not want to take up too much of the time of, of Nux. I want to have a channel where you can reach out to us whenever. One thing I want to end with, with people, because I think the, what one of our goals should be to make people’s lives better, and that’s, you know, if, if you’re watching this, go out and try to learn something new.

You know, learn how to use AI in a new way. Learn how to use some tool in a new way. Society right now is changing faster than [00:55:00] anyone could imagine, and we’re seeing it in our community to an extent that astonishes me, because I get so excited when I see, like, Sky Browse and stuff like this, or Holy Ball.

You know, when I see these, these content creators who are pioneering entirely new ways of doing stuff and you, you can be that. Any of you can be that in, in, in new ways. And look for a sp- a s- a spouse, a partner. Try harder.

Nux Taku: Yeah, that, that’s what I was gonna say. You know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, get married, have babies.

It’s awesome.

Simone Collins: Totally.

Malcolm Collins: Really makes life awesome. Well, spectacular. I’m gonna turn the recording off and, Oh, anything you wanna say at the end? Any-

Simone Collins: Yeah, anything you want people to go to, check out,

Nux Taku: whatever. I’m, I’m good, I’m good.

Malcolm Collins: Everybody knows who you are. I’m

Nux Taku: the Blue Jew. I wander over YouTube.

Malcolm Collins: Right there. Like, we have, like, you’re, like, our fifth most over subscribed channel, so just... End recording? Oh,

Nux Taku: hell yeah.

Simone Collins: Oh. I’m trying to get Tex to eat, and I, I took a little video ‘cause the one thing that he actually does wanna put in his mouth, ‘cause I, I keep giving him stuff obviously he immediately just, you know, like they fall out of his mouth, right?

That’s what... [00:56:00] It always happens, right? They look kind of,

Malcolm Collins: afraid,

Simone Collins: and then it falls out of their mouth. And the, the one thing that he likes that I’ve noticed he chews on is veggie straws. So I’ve, you know, let him chew on like the odd veggie straw here or there, and he was chewing on them this morning, and I was taking this video of him, and he just starts-

Malcolm Collins: Octavian thought it was the funniest thing ever.

He came in. He had to tell me. He goes, “Mommy was filming.”

Simone Collins: I thought, “Oh, let’s capture his first moments eating.” I don’t want our kids to, like, think that... You know how there’s the trope of, like, the first kid has, like, a billion photos. You get bored after the first few? Yeah, okay. Yeah, like, yeah, like second kid, no photos of anything, you know?

And I don’t wanna be that mom, and I’m trying to capture these precious moments. And what does Tex do? What does Tex do when I try to capture a precious moment? He’s like... Immense amounts- I’m sorry you had to deal with that ... of liquid. He, he doesn’t like drinking that much, so I don’t know where it’s coming from.

Malcolm Collins: I am very sorry you had to deal with this.

Simone Collins: It’s a pleasure

Yeah, see, [00:57:00] he doesn’t wanna drink. You have no interest in drinking. You just wanna wave your hands and grab my headphones.

Oh, he’s here. Hey. Oh my gosh, that’s a good background. Oh,

Malcolm Collins: we got an American flag in the background. That’s fantastic.

Simone Collins: That’s perfect.

Malcolm Collins: Okay.

Simone Collins: Okay. Can we hear him? Yeah, I was thinking,

Nux Taku: like- Go ahead ... do, do I put an Israeli flag in the... No, I’m kidding. Yeah.

Simone Collins: Oh. That would’ve been-

Malcolm Collins: I would, I would troll people

wonderful. They’re gonna get some, Yeah ... spicy comments from that. Oh. For

Simone Collins: real.

Malcolm Collins: Okay.

Nux Taku: Yeah. I’m

Malcolm Collins: gonna dive right in. Well, it’s such a

Nux Taku: pleasure to meet you guys.

Malcolm Collins: Oh, yeah,

Simone Collins: likewise. It’s really good to meet you, too.

Malcolm Collins: It’s, it’s so huge to be doing something, because we’ve done, like, peers. We’ve done bigger people before, but I’ve never done anyone who I watch as much as you.

Yeah. So,

Simone Collins: like- No, you’re, like, liter- like, literally part of, like, the wallpaper- ... of, of our every... I mean, you know how it is. Like, you, you’re just, you’re always on. So we hear your voice all the time, and it’s, it’s really weird. Wow. It’s one of those things- That’s crazy ... I think we haven’t even thought to do

Malcolm Collins: that.

E- even today you helped me win an argument with my wife. Yeah, it’s true. Because she got big mad- Let’s go ... about a title card that I made today. Yeah. And she’s like, “That implies that Black people, there’s a portion of Black Americans that want [00:58:00] white Americans dead.” And I’m like, “It’s true.” And then you said the same thing in your title, and I was like, “See, Simone?”

Simone Collins: Yeah. I was like, “Well, if Nux says it, okay.” But also, yeah,

Nux Taku: I mean- Listen, I’m not, I’m not an authority here, but what other interpretation would there be to these guys crashing out that Carmelo Anthony’s going to jail? Like-

Malcolm Collins: That-

Simone Collins: Yeah ... is there another explanation? I hadn’t seen that footage, and now I have.

And now I’m very alarmed. I know.

Malcolm Collins: I mean, I, I do, I think that they think that they should be treated differently by the law. I think that that’s, like... W- we’ll get into that later.

Speaker: Yeah, I think he likes it. Oh, he’s still figuring out how to swallow solid foods after he chews them. See? He’s kinda going through it. He doesn’t really know how to swallow food. Oh, it d- oh, okay. Oh, dear. Well, you know.

Speaker 2: He threw up. Oh, boy. There it goes. He threw up. Oh, God.

You think it’s so freaking funny. [00:59:00] You don’t have to clean it up.

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