The MattGPT Scandal

0:00Why don't you tell us about his writing? Well, we can do that right now if you want to move on to the next segment, please, Samson. Good win, Samwich. Well, if you do want something that is presented by people who are sincere, and I would like to think have some credibility behind us at the very least, you can come to attend our live show on the 11th of April. Tickets are still available, so get them whilst you still can. It's in Swindon from 7 till 10, and there's gonna be a lot of fun. So we'll see you there. So speaking of Matt Goodwin's credibility and sincerity, he has a new book out which has been the centre of some controversy. Some controversy, I must say as well, that has brought elements of the left who would oppose Matt Goodwin and the right who disagree with Matt Goodwin. And even, frankly, elements of the centre right, you would expect to back Matt Goodwin all together so that they can all simultaneously throw him under the bus for some, frankly, astonishingly poor academic and research work.

1:02And that is all centered around this new book, Suicide of a Nation, Immigration, Islam, Identity. If there's things about this book cover and the name of it and the subheading that strike you as somewhat familiar, I will mention that. So you can see right here straight away, there's something of a war going on in the customer ratings, which is that it is not evenly, but it is almost completely split between one star reviews and five star. But when you say evenly split and there are twice as many stars. Not evenly split at all. But it's people who are going one way or the other. It's very, very polarising. And that's because there are going to be people giving it five star who just won't probably have even read it, but will say that it's great just because, hey, I'm going to support this guy for political reasons. And one star, from people probably doing the same thing, but frankly, the one stars have a bit more evidence backing them up. And again, whatever you want to say about the originality of it, people are already pointing out that it basically seems to be a rehash

2:04of the strange death of Europe by Douglas Murray from about eight or eight or nine years. The thing is that Douglas Murray is actually quite talented. Yes, whatever else you want to say about Douglas Murray being half measure, a massive Zionist or whatever. The strange death of Europe is a very well written book. It's well researched and well argued. And this seems to be rehashing the same ground, even if strange death of Europe is probably at this point somewhat outdated because it is a pre-Boris wave book. But you can see that he's nicked immigration identity and Islam. And the cover of the book itself seems to be a strange mashup of Andrew Doyle's end of woke alongside the abolition of Britain by Peter Hitchens. So the book already is showing a complete lack of originality, which is something that's probably going to hurt its credibility with a lot of readers to begin with, whether or not Matt wants to say that it was all done as a march. The whole thing that all of that's to do with a marching, these various different authors and works from over the years.

3:04People aren't seeing that right now, which is especially compounded with this, which is that he is posted an extract from the book, quote, they don't want you to read. Who is they? Well, now in the top three of all books on Amazon, obviously it's the loony left, the wokists, the book publishers, because this is a self-published book through an organization, I believe, called North West, which is a self-publishing company. He didn't want to go through big publishers, because they would have just censored him. Well, there's an interesting incentive here for him to self-publish as well, is that he can get a larger share of the profits, rather than a larger readership, but a smaller share of the profits, if he went through a named book publisher. I'm sure he could have if he wanted to, which is an interesting. He's published, his previous two books were published with Penguin. Or there we go. So he has those connections, if he wants, but there might be a little bit of a problem,

4:05which is that in recent court cases, I think there was a landmark case that went through just a couple of months ago, but book publishers have started to pull back books, pull off the shelves, or just not publish anything, which is suspected, heavily suspected, of having a decent portion of it written by AI, generated by an LLL. I was going to say, the reason why I think making it a publisher makes sense is because they have editors, and they're generally quite helpful, but... It does help. That does help. But it helps also having, say, an LLL checking your homework. Yeah, we would need editors if it will be... Let me just read this excerpt for you from the opening, and tell me if it sets off any alarm bells in the style of language used and the way that it's composing its points and arguments. There are moments in life of a... Sorry, there are moments in the life of a nation when everything changes, not with a bang, not even with a conscious decision, but with a quiet, creeping loss of confidence,

5:07so profound that a people start to forget who they are. My alarm bells are already ringing. The use of quiet there is often used by chat GPT, and also the rule of free, and also that it's not even... That's another one that it does. I see this all the time on X, so I'm sort of radicalised. It's also this, which is the use of a single longer sentence as a discrete paragraph, followed by a much shorter sentence as a separate paragraph, immediately after as an AB12 hit. Because he follows that up with Britain, I believe, is living through such a moment. For decades, the institutions that once embodied our nation, Parliament, the civil service, the courts, the police, the BBC, there's lots of just repetition and listing things. They've all drifted away from the public they exist to serve, and you are absolutely right. Frankly, this smacks one of kind of rehashing the same tone and talking points again of strange death of Europe,

6:10because he's constantly banging on in that book about how tired he is and how tired Europe is. So it's kind of going through that same linguistic device. But also, yeah, this smacks to me of chat GPT. You see this all over the place on Twitter when you have these long paragraphs and long essays written up for accounts that post, like, 15 plus times a day, where it's like, how have you got the time to write all of this? And it's structured in such a way that reminds me of this and you know that it's an LLM has generated. Right. Can I just ask, I just went into chat GPT and I said, right, the opening page of a book I want to write called Suicide of a Nation Immigration Islam and Identity. And it's just done all of the things that you said, a single long sentence as an opening paragraph, then it's done as short line, and then it's, I mean, it's, oh, read it to us. Yeah, yeah, go on, go on, let's compare. Err, errrr, you want us to go straight for you Matt Goodwin? We've got our best man on the case, chat GPT.

7:10There's no declaration, no formal surrender, no moment of which a leader stands at the podium and admits we have chosen. Already, you can, you can hear them, rhythm, it's got a rhythm to it. We have chosen not to continue as we were instead decline arise, disguise the progress as compassion, as inevitability. Err, what makes this format well on the second line? Now, what makes this form of decline distinct? It's not that it imposed from without, but it is chosen from within. Maybe it's the delivery, but I actually preferred that to the actual good one. Oh, right. Well, I'll write one as well then. It's hitting all the same points that isn't it? Yes. And you can sense the rhythm. Now, that is not definitive proof that he used an LLM to generate this, or even that er, that he used an LLM to help research him. Well, actually, there is definitive proof of that. Well, no, I'm going to get on to the proof. Oh, sorry, sorry. As we go along. Which is where we're going to get on to right now. In fact, I do, people are bloody good at spotting this stuff because I once wrote a long tweet.

8:12And I, because I like doing it where you don't have to click more, so it's in the compact form. And I was like a line or two over. And I couldn't really be bothered. So I was just stuck it in Chachi, pity and I said, just reduce this 15% so it fits within a tweet. And it reduced it, so I thought, yeah, good enough. So I copied and pasted it back and put it in. But everyone instantly said, and things I had actually written it, he compressed it. But when it had been compressed, people could spot that it was from Chachi, and people went bloody mental at me. And I was like, I'm not ever doing that again. Again, it's got a particular rhythm and form to the way that it writes things that is, that once you've seen it, you can't unsee it. Yes. And you will see it everywhere, all over Twitter, particularly shall we say, policy wonk, Twitter. Use it constantly. And there are other telltale signs as catalogs by this man, Andy Twelves, who I believe he writes for the new statesman and politics Joe. So he is on the other side of the aisle politically. He is left wing.

9:12But frankly, he seems to have done some good work here, catching out all of the times in which, as he states here, there are what appear to be false quotes and basic misinterpretations of data, which appear to be AI hallucinations. So first of all, he goes through some data, which seems to have just been fabricated out of thin air. Claim one in one year, one classroom in Bradford. Only four of 28 pupils spoke English as their first language. Teachers report spending large amounts of time, simply mediating between dozens of languages, making normal teaching almost impossible, and slowing down the rate of progress for everybody. Reality, I cannot find any evidence of this claim at all. I checked local and national news and his own ex-page. I believe from the lack of referencing and the way that it's written to be an AI hallucination. I didn't know you just have a look at the footnotes because that is only 12 in the entire book. And they're heavily weighted towards the start as it is in... That's the way you wrote it. Most of them are in the very first chapter,

10:12and a number of them are all taken from his own sub-stack. The interesting thing here is, again, you can hear that, and you can read that, and you can think to yourself, that sounds like something that actually happened. I don't disbelieve that stuff like this probably is happening. But it could easily be a synthesis of five or six underlying data points. Exactly, and that's the thing, is that when you just say this stuff without citing it and sourcing it properly, it damages the credibility of other people who speak about these kinds of experiences, which may or may not reflect reality. That's the thing. If we want to be able to put our arguments forward properly and authoritatively, we need to have truth on our side. And if you're just going to say this without any references and nothing that you can do to check up on it, that makes you come across insincere and discredits you. Because the problem he's describing, there is a real and tangible problem of,

11:12you know, teachers not being able to teach in the classroom because their students don't speak English. That's something that we know is a real phenomenon. And you could probably find sources for it as well. It's just lazy. It is lazy. And again, when you discuss these things with people on the political left, like Andy Twelves, by association, you get a little bit of the stink on you if you're using the same talking points, because then he can immediately point to somebody like Matt Goodwin and say, oh, you're just repeating, AI hallucinations like Goodwin was. So it can damage your own credibility through association. Here's just some other examples here. Claims six. They also ignore the ancient warning of Cicero, the great Roman statesman who insisted that the supreme duty of the state was to protect its own citizens and put them before others. We must begin, he said, with the people closest to us. Reality, Cicero is not quoted saying this and definitely not in deficious or de-republica. The two major project, Gutenberg, English language translations of Cicero,

12:12I believe this is another AI hallucination. It's also just the character of how it's saying it. It's the supreme duty of the state was to protect its own citizens and put them before others. But why would he be saying that in his time? That was obvious. Yeah, everyone in the Roman Senate believed that. It didn't need to be stated. So it wasn't a contemporary issue of Cicero. So why would he say that that's the main thing? Like, obviously, you know, that was the case. And in fact, he... There are more fake Cicero quotes. There's a fake James Burnham quote, where the academic James Burnham put it bluntly many years ago. Power is exercised through organizations. Those who control the organizations control the instruments of power. Which is kind of, you know, like it sounds like Burnham, but I've read a bit of Burnham. He's never phrased it exactly that way. So it's like, okay, if you've got like a vaguely correct,

13:12but wrong quote, what's that likely to have come from? An AI Summary. Perhaps. And speaking of AI Summary is one of the most entertaining ones. But how many of these claims are they? On 15 or...? There are 15. And this is within the first five chapters of the book. There is claim 15. A society that cannot distinguish its friends from its enemies. So Roger Scruton warned, or that extends hospitality to those who despise its way of life is a society that has lost the instinct for survival. This is what suicidal empathy has done to our leaders. Reality. This is part of Google's AI generated summary of Roger Scruton's views not an actual quote of his. Do you see how like just copy and pasting this shit into your book, discredits you, beclowns the talking points that you're talking about, and also adds an air of the circus to everybody else who might want to say quote Roger Scruton's thoughts in these things. My segment, just a moment ago, Matt was making it very clear

14:13that he's the only serious person in politics. Well, he was a serious academic. When he was talking about infiltrating the right. Yes. And he was writing reports with hope not hate. How to properly academically cite and source things. Okay. He seems to have forgotten that when he's writing books for now the radical center right. And speaking of which, again, claim 14, even though this is like incorrect in terms of what he's citing, what is he actually pointing to here? He says this is precisely what mass immigration is doing to the white capitalized W, British majority, is hasting the decline of the historic majority without this historic core as Professor Anthony Smith warned. The nation loses its distinctive identity and becomes an empty shell. For one, I mean, Andy Twiles points out this is the opposite of what Anthony Smith said. But also, in terms of the actual content of what he's saying here, how isn't this not just like completely contradictory to the political points that you're making in all of these podcasts?

15:15You're saying it's terrible the white British majority is declining. If it declines too much, the country won't be English anymore. And that's a bad thing. Great. That's a great point. What are you going to do about it? Nothing. What he's going to do is try and stop people from voting for the store so that the re-migration doesn't happen. In all of these interviews, he's saying that any party that says they'll actually do something to stem or reverse this process is an extreme radical fringe party that you should ignore. And I will conspire with people to ruin your career. If you do associate with them. So, again, the sincerity is not really there. Also, more evidence is that if you actually look at the 12 footnotes that he leaves in the book, two of them actually leave at the end of the sources that he got it straight from Czechoslovakia. I mean, so far, I've been like, yeah, it looks convincing,

16:16but it's not exactly a slam dunk. But when he's actually got chat GPT in the link. Now, you could say to be fair, oh, well, he's just using it as a research tool. Yeah, but then when you add it on top of everything else, it begins to paint a picture, doesn't it? Alongside the fact that, again, you have chosen not to go with a mainstream publisher despite the fact that I would assume that Penguin probably would have published this for you under some imprint. And also, it's worth pointing out sometimes when I remember reading an article but can't find it on Google search, I asked chat GPT and if I'm referencing it, I make sure to take the chat GPT thing out when I'm adding it to the references because also, you know, I did genuinely remember it and I did read it myself. It wasn't reference to me. It was just using it as a search engine. But if I'm doing that, how on earth is he not doing that for his book?

17:17There's a good question, but also, again, when it comes to the publishers, I mean, as you can see here, Douglas Murray was published by Bloomsbury on strange death of Europe, which, to be fair, was probably published at a time when this was more controversial to talk about so bluntly. And so it's not like you wouldn't have been able to find a publisher. And then we get again to the evidence of good-win working with Hope Not Hate in the past. Here's his old, looking to violence, new evidence on far-right supporters written with Matthew Goodwin, alongside Nick Lowles of Hope Not Hate. The screenshot of Nick Lowles stating Matthew Goodwin says that the grooming gang scandal is the scandal that James Brittnan makes me angrier than I've ever been. Then why has he not said or done anything about this? Before, until last year, it'd been pretty much silent on the issue. I sat on the anti-Muslim hatred working group with Goodwin for years, years. And while Hope Not Hate was talking about the issue since 2005, he didn't said absolutely nothing. Very strange. I also think it's interesting as well, the point in his life that he was doing these things.

18:19People can change from left to right in their 20s or their teens, maybe very rarely in their 30s. But he was doing this for a long time. And you don't rarely get people who, at his age, come around at that point. You get to a point in your life when your politics are pretty much settled. Normally it's your mid to late 20s. Yeah, and look at this article. This is from, as recent as 2015, where he argues that the fight against Islamophobia is going backwards, published in the Guardian. Well, that's the most important thing, obviously. You know, there are also Islamophobia. There are clips that you can find of him from, I believe, question time or other BBC live audience shows where he is arguing against the so-called far right on Islamophobia and other such things. So he has a deep history of this. And all of a sudden he's publishing suspiciously AI-looking books where he's constantly going on

19:19about how Muslims are the biggest threat in this country, which seems to have been an opinion that's popped about of nowhere for him. So what would nine years ago Matt Goodwin say to current Matt Goodwin? He would call him an extremist, presumably. He would say good work, Matt, in discrediting the right, wouldn't he? Well, potentially. He has posted a, again, very strange-looking, massive essay wall-o-text. Remember, guys, he's not terminally online. You're terminally online. At least he's got the decency to take the chat GPT links out this time. This time. We'll see if it happens again. Let's take the M-dashes out as well. We'll know he's replaced the M-dashes with just standard dashes. Well, he basically tries to argue in his response to this that left out wingers who argue, for example, that Smith or Connor, who are two of the people who Andy 12's called out as having had, quotes, misattributed to them, did not warn about the loss of historic core, or simply not reading their work, or being disingenuous. Whether or not you're pointing to general ideas

20:20that they may have discussed, there's a difference between doing that and just fabricating quotes from them. And that's the thing that this response does not address at all, which is just the completely false quotes that have been attributed to a number of people, as well as some of the use of statistics, which seems to be questionable, as well, which again just goes further to discredit people on the right who might want to quote statistics because people can offhand dismiss them. I love that. Matt GBT, that's very clever. Yes. And again, there's the connection with this, oh, sorry, North Star Book Publishers, I correct me from earlier, who include services like ghost writing, book editing, book marketing, book publishing, it's just the self-publishing thing which can do everything for you. Instead of going through a number of any of the big publishing companies which he could have gone through. It's very incriminating, isn't it? But it's because he was, it was just really afraid of being censored, guys.

21:20The book publishers, they wouldn't have let him publish, such a daring and outspoken, and controversial book like this one. I'm giving his profile they certainly would, like definitely. Well, it's one of those things at the minute that grifters have sort of latched onto is the mainstream won't allow me to make this thing. It's like Graham Hancock and his sort of like ancient civilization thing. He's talking about how the mainstream is suppressing his ideas of archaeology on his Netflix series. It's like I'm sorry, mate, but the reason that no one wants to be associated with you is because you're full of nonsense. And I think that's what's going on here. The quick point of order here, John Merrick, isn't that the elephant man? Oh, yes. Right. Unfortunately, the name isn't there, yeah. That's true. What does the elephant man want to tell us about Matt Goodwin? Well, let's find out by scanning through a few of the more mainstream reviews of the book. So this is the new statement article, Matt Goodwin's Intellectual Suicide by John Merrick, which is particularly scathing. This was quite a fun article to read.

22:20I must admit. Yes. And again, this is coming from a left-wing perspective. So the ultimate point that this guy is making is something that I would disagree with, which is again part of the point of why this is so bad. They can point to books like Matt Goodwin's and say, therefore demographic change and everything that comes with it is not a bad thing. Because people like Matt Goodwin are having to fabricate and make stuff up to make it look like a bad thing. Whilst being the only serious person in politics who has to tell us how it's done. Exactly. He's the one going around knocking at doors in Gorton and Denton. So he must know what he's talking about, right? So he just says, and this isn't even talking about the AI stuff. This is just talking about the quality of the writing. Let's get this out of the way early. Matt Goodwin's new self-published book is bad. Very bad. In fact, even for the increasingly gimcrack, never heard of that word, world of the British right, it is a shockingly poor piece of research and writing made worse by the fact that Goodwin

23:20was until recently a fairly well-respected academic. True. If this were AI generated, it would almost be a relief. The sad truth, however, is that even chat GPT couldn't come up with anything this dead. This is not the language of AI. It's another digital phenomenon. The language of Elon Musk's X. Log on to social media and you'll find essay-length posts by blue-checked right-wingers all composed in the same style. Short, clipped phrases and paragraphs have only one or two sentences loaded with dodgy data and spiced, unverifiable conjecture. True. The length is just because there's a tweaked size limit. I'm thinking about it. It's talking about the big essay length posts. Oh, those ones. I never do, yeah. Oh, I don't do those. That's actually waste of time. That's whatever you want to say about the perspective this guy is coming from. That's just true. No, it is, yeah. That's just absolutely true. The only thing I disagree with there really is that I don't think he's giving enough credit to the fact that the language of Elon Musk's X in these essay-length posts

24:23is ChatGPT in the first place. Yep, I agree. It's present everywhere. I see it all the time. It's really quite annoying. People, you know, lap up this slop with reckless abandon. It's really quite frustrating because there's so many insightful and interesting voices on the right on X that get silenced by this nonsense and the fact that, you know, Goodwin has the goal to then wag his finger at the ono right but then make the worst, you know, the mistake of one of the worst excesses of them in the first place. You've seen the day will come where we'll be pining for the return of the Indians on Twitter because the GBT's are just worse. I don't know. Same thing. Yeah, what's the difference? Yeah. Well, I mean, here's some great examples here. On every page, there are passages that cling so hard they set your teeth on edge. Sentences like if shared language is the glue then a shared national identity is the anchor. Everyone knows the glue and anchor analogy.

25:26Obviously. And patronize. Don't say glue and anchor together too quickly. And patronizing your sides, asking you to quote, think about that for a minute. Pure partridge. You're. Think about that for a minute. I mean, it's an incredible persona that he's cultivated over the years, really, isn't it? But then we have more critiques from the right or to the right of good when you could say, which is Ben Sixmith's right up for the critic called Suicide of an author's credibility, where he says, slop is an overused term but it feels painfully appropriate for a book that is spoon-fed to its audience. Good win. Who had a long academic career. I love the roasting that he's getting through all of these. It's fantastic. Before becoming a successful commentator, it's not a man who lacks intelligence, but he writes as if he thinks his audience lacks it. That's the same as his politics. Yeah. I mean, that is exactly his politics.

26:26We have to take a message that's developed on the right, dumb it down, don't mean it, and feed it to the right, and then they vote for us and we get in power. There's a consistent ideology. And you can see the way it's littered throughout the book. He says, I did not write this book for the ruling class. I wrote it for the forgotten majority. Alas, he seems to think that the average member of the forgotten majority has the reading level of a dim-witted 12-year-old. As well as being stylistically simple, the book is full of annoying paternal assides. And the pages ahead, I shall walk you through what is happening to the country. In the next chapter, we will begin our journey. This is primary school-level English writing. When you need to introduce a subject to the reader, this is kind of like what you do when you're a child. And you've not found a better way of doing it. There's a lot of highly dubious sourcing. Mr. Twelves did not exhaust the number of questionable quotes in the book. A nation that cannot defend its borders Goodwin claims the Roman historian Livy wrote will soon cease to be a nation. I can find no record of this quote.

27:26Language is the tie that connects past with future and binds together the citizens of the same nation Goodwin claims the lexicographer Noah Webster wrote again, I can find no record of this quote. I might be misremembering here, but I'm pretty sure I've said a nation that cannot defend its borders will soon cease to be a nation. Maybe even on Twitter. Maybe it's actually quoting you and attributing it to Livy. I mean, thank you, Mr. Twelves. Thank you, ChatGPT. Yeah. Besides, call it idealistic, but I just don't think that a book that claims to stand British culture should be so short on eloquence, wit, scholarship, poetry, etc. British culture is pretty meaningless if it has the literary standards of ChatGPT and the argumentative standards of a telemarketer. Brutal. Everything that you've read out so far, I mean, it's a world apart from, like, say, a Peter Hitchens book. Yes. Go and read the book where he's slacking off the Tories. What, the Cameron Delusion?

28:26There. Yeah. Read the opening page of that. Absolutely. Every line is masterful. Yeah. And if you want an American version of it, if you read any Pat Buchanan book, Pat Buchanan has an incredibly impactful rhetorical style that he writes in, similar to Hitchens. Whereas this, again, if Matt wrote it himself, that's even more damning. Because it reads ChatGPT. And the last one is that the spectator, who you would expect to be on his side, frankly, actually got Andy Twelves, the writer of the initial thread, to write an article asking did Matthew Goodwin use AI to write his book? So this someone hasn't, has, this is either Tory vs. Reform Fighting, going on right here. Or this is because of how poorly this book has been written, and how poorly he performed at the Gorton and Denton by election, could this be reform throwing him under the bus as David Bulls suggested

29:27and implied that they might do? I kind of think that Matt's own actions have thrown himself under a bus, to be honest. Yeah, and you know, Twelves goes on to write a number of other bits in here about like backing up his claims, because some of the other articles I've referenced have been saying, you know, it's not likely that he wrote ChatGPT, that he used ChatGPT to write the book for him. Twelves is going straight for the throat and I somewhat agree with him here, by saying, actually he probably did. At least he used it to write significant chunks of the book, either because he was lazy or to save time. Some have suggested that saving time might have been on his mind, because he may have wanted to get this book out, to go along with what he expected to be a glorious victory at Gorton and Denton. How well did that turn out? I mean, also going back to those interviews, the roundsies. All he talks about, a lot of what he talked about is how busy he's been, and how he's pounding the pavement for 14 hours a day, so how did he manage to write a book? It's got a lot of tweets to write. Yeah.

30:27So tweeting, writing a book, spending 14 hours a day on the back of a van, driving around Gorton and Denton going, aha! Okay, a star, there is a robot in the most robotic tone of the voice possible. It does mention in here, though, that apparently Matt Goodwin has accepted an invite to debate on GB News next week with Andy Twelves, the content of the book. The problem is, whether or not there is actual accurate information in there pointing to the negative effects of mass migration. Matt Goodwin is not going to be the guy to argue those points. Matt Goodwin is not, is not a deaf restauration. He clearly does not have the proper full grasp of the statistics if he is having to pull statistics out of thin air, and pull quotes out of thin air. He is just going on to television to further discredit people who share his perspective. Well, I mean, his actual academic background is all about containment of the right. Yes, you could argue

31:27that this might be all part of the point. Well, that could be true. And as a result, I don't want this to be entirely negative. I'm going to try and point you to some alternatives if you are interested on reading what is going on in Britain and Europe and Western countries in general, on immigration and the effects that it has. So let's just go straight to the classic, the source, really, which is the strange death of Europe by Douglas Murray. So whatever you want about Douglas Murray, this is a good book. And while it is outdated by this point, still has a lot of great information that is relevant up to the point where it was written. So that's worth picking up if you get the chance. If you want an Australian and Anglo-style perspective on this, you can read Harry Richardson and Frank Salter's Anglephobia, the unrecognized hatred, which I read a few years back, which is very good. If you want a Canadian perspective, you can read Richard Dushan's Canada in decay, mass immigration, diversity, an ethno side of Euro-Canadians, that's from 2018, but still has a lot of relevant information. For some more stuff

32:27that from him that's relevant to today, you can watch my interview that I did with him just a few weeks ago where I was talking about his most recent book, Greatness and Ruin, and why the West is unique and how the individualist mindset of the West both led to the greatness of our civilization and also possibly played into its ruin that's going on today. And there is some stuff coming up soon, like this one, which I'm quite interested in, which is Martin Selner's book, coming out in July, on remigration. So I'm sure that that is going to be a far more worthwhile read than anything that Matt Goodwin is absolutely in this stuff. Exactly. So those are just some alternatives for you. So if you are going to spend your money and spend your time reading a book on this subject, read some people with a greater level of sincerity and credibility behind them, rather than reading what is likely to be an AI-generated Hodgepodge.