The Extra Point: Late-Round League Winners + Draft Strategy & Trades (Ep. 2156)

0:00This is an I Heart Podcast. Guaranteed Human. Our hometown is not a test tube. 90 miles northeast of Nashville, a battle for the future of America plays out in one small town. Developers with right wing ties have purchased hundreds of acres of land. We need cities on a shining hill. This is our town. A podcast about what happens when a small town becomes the site of a social experiment and fights back. Guess she didn't move in on a bunch of dumb hillbillies now, did you? Listen to our town on the I Heart Radio app Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. It's the extra point right here on Fantasy Pros. I'm Chris Welsh. That is Andrew Erickson and today. We are going to be talking with our incredible studio audience. You guys, the producers of this show, the people's podcasts because you guys produce it. We actually have a little bit prep for this show, which we rarely do. Because you guys get to tell us what we're going with and you also are going to be hearing your voices.

1:04Because we invite you guys to come on. It's a live studio audience. Raise your hands. Come in. Kind of like an old school radio show. And then you're going to talk and we're going to talk fantasy. Whatever it is, whether it's trades, whether it's draft, whatever you got. You can come and join us. FantasyPros.com slash chat on the discord every Thursday at 2pm Eastern. You want to know why it's also really good. Erickson to come and join live, not just because you get it a day before. You want to know why? I know what I work. Oh, you know why? Okay. Because when the show messes up and maybe a certain person that hosts the show screws it up and it doesn't air as a podcast. Literally only the people that were in here. We did a show for them. You got your own individualized show. That's why there wasn't a show last week. I was trying. I was actually trying to be better. I was you had these filters on to try to get rid of noise gates to make everybody's life a little bit easier. And I made everybody's life worse because my audio was all screwed up. And there was we were able to have no podcast.

2:04So sorry, Erickson. Sorry, buddy. Was a banger episode, but for those that were in the discord last week, you heard it. We did the sports talk radio bit of Patriots, 98.5 engine works in Chris Wells here right now. Well, Erickson went on a seven minute rant about his conversation with the beat reporter. It's probably better that you didn't listen to that episode. No, it was pretty good. It was pretty good. Yeah, I know we had a lot of fun with it, but it was a podcast just for the discord. So there would be a good reason to come and hang out besides, you know, hearing it live, hearing it early and being on it, hearing it at all. When I scrub the recording, but we are we got contingencies upon contingencies and we are back. And not only we're going to talk to you, but we are going to be talking about sleepers just at the top here for a second. And we will tell you why we're going to give you some of our deep sleepers and how we've ranked them this year. But we are coming off of the heels of two things as a matter of fact, fantasy, fest in the books, just overall, we had a little bit of chaos at the beginning of people didn't realize.

3:08I still feel bad. Like I thought it was a funny joke about my set of Seth, poor Seth, calling him team who JJ Zacharyson, which by the way, I'd love to be. I'm fat JJ Zacharyson if anything, but I felt bad because poor Seth was if people didn't know we had like a like chaos right before it started and there was a time issue and JJ wasn't here and it wasn't like his fault. And then Seth was set this like a gangster. He's just like, I'll jump in and we were trying to figure out what was going on. And then he just like appeared and jumped in. And then JJ showed up and I had to boot my boot set off of the show. And then we were joking about it. It did make it really fun. It was an incredible fantasy, fest, awesome guest. You and I just didn't get to do anything with it. But it was great. We had some awesome guest guests that I never interacted with JJ before. You had Yankee on, which is super cool. He's phenomenal on PFF. So I thought it was really great if you missed it live. The individual pieces are going to be spaced out into episodes and stuff like that. But that first one, that's what people are going to get was like the chaos behind the scenes.

4:13We were like ducks with feet going crazy underwater trying to keep it, keep it cool. But what do you think? Any external thoughts post fantasy fest? I know how you start tight finish man. That's what the mantra, the mindset of the fantasy pro's team was. And I think that we delivered a extremely professional worthwhile experience throughout all the hours that we were recording. I think what five hours total with the twitch after party we did the mock draft. All the segments, like you said, can be re uploaded on YouTube on the podcast feed. So if you missed the live experience. And I think being part of the chat is really fun too. Like I was in the chat, 50 was in the chat, D. Rose in the chat. Like we're all just like chatting up answering his many questions because in the day, man, we all just love fantasy football. Love the NFL. And it's kind of like a weird treat this year because the NFL is starting so much later. There's like an extra week of building up to the start of the season, which I kind of like I think NFL teams hate it because it means it's another week of training camp for guys to get potentially hurt when they're like we just start the games.

5:13And also means to again, remember this when you're watching football every single week and you're away from your loved ones that Valentine's day is also the same day as the Super Bowl this year. So there you go. Really had even thought you're married long enough Valentine's day. Well, my wife has become very much like Valentine's day. All corporate. She doesn't talk like that. That'd be all no thing, but it's very corporate for her. And so that's just not into it. But I like it later. I like it happening later. I feel like we get a little bit more space, a little bit more room for activities to grow in here. But highly suggest if you don't want to want to like a four hour stream and then go over to Twitch and check out all the bits and parts of it. And there was some awesome stuff and it was a great job. Also the second thing off the heels, then we're going to go to sleepers real quick and then we're going to be talking to you guys. So make sure those hands are raised is you just finished up the tailgate fantasy draft and kind of an interesting process you do with it to 16 team league, if I remember correctly. And then every host on the tailgate for that episode shared the team correct. So do you want to don't give away because it's a full episode, but you want to give a little synopsis and a little preview of anything interesting that happened. By the way, tailgate you guys can go check out tailgate NFL on YouTube. It's our straight NFL channel and Erickson brought some fantasy to it.

6:29So there might have been some bullying going on in turn for some of the picks where one of us may have been very against a certain player and the other two are like, nope, screw you were taking this guy anyway. So did that. That was the bullying person possibly rhyme with Shmi Shmo. Shmi Shmo. Shmerrick Shmereck Shmereck Shmereck Shmereck Shmereck Shmereck Shmereck Shmereck Shmereck Shmereck Shmereck. Yes, it did. That's why we have Roman Dunes day on the squad and not Jonathan Brooks because Worm and I were like, no, we're going to my receiver. And he was like, no, there's going to be a running back run. He was actually right. So we actually probably should have listened to D well, we did not miss that on the running backs, but that's okay. The team in the draft the analyzer because we synced it up with draft assistant on fantasy pros. And we got the second best team based on the great feel good about it. And just as an FYI PSA, if you do a 14 team 16 team, you got to punt the ones the positions. You just have to do it. The fact that we were able to get my homes and Jared golf as our two quarterbacks in rounds.

7:2913 and 14. It just makes the rest of your roster so, so, so much better. So it was really fun draft to do looking forward to recapping it every Monday. How that team did because it's going to be the same group on the tailgate between me, Worm and D bro. So every week will briefly hit on, okay, who messed up, which start decision did we not make this weekend. I think it's going to work where we'll assign everybody. Okay, you're doing quarterbacks, you're doing running back your receivers and tight ends and flex this week. So we know who to blame when our team doesn't win. So there's not a ton of bullying. So there's not like massive amount. I like that there was no. We did try to capitulate. So like we did that with D bro. It's like, right. But we had another pick that we couldn't decide. We said, okay, D bro. We didn't get you didn't get to pick your guy last time. You can pick your guy this time. So we it all came out. Bear square. It's a science. Bogman and I do we've done this for multiple years. It's a theoretical industry league because it's like industry people. Fitsies actually a part of it. God, who's all in it? Like Jeff Erickson, DVR Derrick and Riper runs it and it's we call it the pentathlon. But it's a five event league. And it's like super flex.

8:40Auction, then there's a best ball. And then we have to do picks. And then we have to do a DFS team and survivor. Those are the five events. It's a monster event that we do every year. Bogman and I won it the previous year. We've cashed in every single we played three years straight. We've cashed in every single one we've played in because you get paid per event. And then there's an overall. But we won it two years ago, but we share a team. And there is a science to having the right people to be there. So there's there's the proper amount of bullying that happens where it's like, no, no, no, no, I'm going to take this one and I'm going to take over this situation without anybody, you know, getting but hurt and three of you. There's a good amount of bullying that can happen in there as you guys. So I highly suggest going listen on the tailgate support that channel NFL talk and all season long from a real NFL perspective will be doing breakdowns after like on Mondays and then we'll have the previews for the week coming up. And there may be even some other cool stuff. So make sure you check it out on the tailgate.

9:42One of the thing we want to do before we start getting to your questions. So continue hanging with us in the audience. We've got a ton of hands raised and we're going to plow through them is we've mentioned this before humbly. Erickson and I we did obviously fantasy process lots of different rankings. We have like the draft rankings. We've got the in season accuracy rankings. And another one they've really propped up this year was the sleeper rankings. And it's a it's a select amount of players that are in that you like a pool that you can choose from and you pick like two quarterbacks for running back four wide receivers and that's something you'll end up seeing if you do your draft insights on fantasy pros after where to be like, hey, you drafted the number one consensus sleeper. Well, the accuracy article came out a couple weeks ago and Erickson and I happen ironically to be both top seven overall in the world or you know the world air quotes of whoever's doing it. I was five shockingly to me and you were seven. So we were top seven in there. And Erickson was like, you know, we should use that to our advantage.

10:43We should talk about sleepers and we should do that. And since this is our show. Let's do that here. This is kind of the sleeper, the extra sleeper point podcast. What we're going to do here for a second. So we are going to announce who our sleepers are in the contest right now. And then next week, if there's an update, we will come back to it. And those are going to be the sleepers we are attached to. It's a really interesting process too because another thing I'm proud of is I finished higher in the draft ranks than any of us, which you know, I'm the lonely little analyst over here on the football side or host. I mean, with playing with the analyst occasionally that I got to finish so high. But my point of this is I was dominant at running back. No one was better than me at running back. And I was second and wide receiver to deep row. But in the sleeper, I was horrible at quarterback and tied in the draft rankings. But the sleeper rankings, the quarterback and the tight end is what pushed me up. I Drake made sleeper quarterback last year in Tyler Warren and Kyle Pitz. The literal draft things I sucked at my actual sleepers are what won, won me that. So this would be a really interesting experiment of what this looks like.

11:52Do you remember what your best position was in draft rankings and in sleeper rankings at all? Do you know what was your best hit at sleeper and what was your best position for draft in season or draft rankings? I don't remember what the best one draft was. I want to say it's probably a tight end or running back. I think it definitely was not wide receiver. I can say that pretty confidently because that was the, that seems like the one of the tougher positions to rank just because there's so much volatility and there's so many different kinds of things. I don't remember. Yeah, no, tell me. Was I right? It's my hunter right or was I wrong? What, what did you guess? Running backs and tight ends and you said it was not what? Those are my better ones and receiver wasn't my worst. You were the best of wide receiver. Oh my god. That was your best. You were that you were that you know, I just that made me laugh because you're like, there's just no way you were literally you're doing now you're draft ranking. There's in season and there's draft your draft ranking. You were your best position was actually wide receiver.

12:54So yeah, I must have been thinking in season then probably in season. Yeah, I think you were kind of a beast in season. I'll look real quick. You're in season. You were a monster at tight end. You were, you were pretty damn good across the board. If we're being honest, but tight end was your hands away best. Then running back then wide receiver and then quarterback, but you weren't, you were roughly at least top third in every single position, but tight end you were, you were 17th. So you were like 17th best out of like 200 plus people. I think we had or this was like 158. Yeah, so you were like, top 35% in every single position and in you weren't as good in the draft season as you were in season, but you were a monster in season. Yeah, no, I mean, a tight end, it's to me, especially when you're doing the rankings, I think it's just so advantageous to take the swings, right? Because all tight ends at the end of the day, most of them are just all bad. So if there's anyone with the cell months up, okay, there's a path where we could get a seal and type of performance. I remember one specific week where everybody was really concerned about like Brock Barris coming off his injury.

14:02And I was just sitting back making man, it's Brock Barris and I don't care. Just got to play this guy. He's healthy and he smashed in his first game back, which isn't always, it doesn't always happen. We know that guys coming back from injuries. The first week back is always a very. It's tough waters sometimes, but when it's tight end and the floor is zero from most of these guys anyway, it's just so worth going after just chasing the boom with a player like up rock bars or someone that you know is elite. So that was my second best, by the way, was in season. If we're talking again, we're this is draft season. So in season doesn't matter to you guys, probably a whole bunch, but why receiver was my best in season and and then that was my second best in draft season. I would think I was like top 20 if I remember. So why do you see her cross the board? Apparently I'm okay. I put tight end was my second best. It's a little bit worse at running back, even though I was a monster in draft season. And I'm just like hilariously, historically, absolutely horrific at quarterback except when I pick a sleeper. So before we do you want to just do the questions first and just hit the sleepers on the rip because I know we have a big queue up here so far. And I want to make sure that we can get to everybody.

15:09Do you want to do that? It gets every whatever you want to do whatever you want to where we're men of the people, men of the people, the people first and then we'll humbly brag about our amazing picks that are going to smash. Okay, so that's the tease then there's the tease is at the end of the episode. We will give you what our sleeper picks are for the season to run to quarterback for running back for wide receiver to tighten. We'll talk about what our sleepers are with the last like 10 minutes or so. And then there may be an update because things do update, especially at the last preseason next week. That's going in if you guys care about that. So we're going to get to your guys's questions. You got lots of hand rays, but if you guys want to join in the action as always, make sure you go to fantasy pros.com slash chat where you cannot only be a part of a really cool discord community where people are mock drafting their talking fantasy. There's a ton of rooms to kind of peruse yourself with. But we've also got exclusive AMAs like this that end up on the podcast feed here is the schedule right now we've got Boggan fits who are doing 5 p.m. Eastern

16:12every Tuesday through the end of the month, but that's I think like maybe one I'm not even sure if there I think that might be done because I think September 1st is on a Tuesday. So I'm not sure if they're going to how that's going to work, but then it goes to like once a month. Wormen fits 5 p.m. Eastern on the first Tuesday of every month. So that's the sneaky part where next Tuesday actually might be them. But here's a big important one. Me and Eric's and are here in season every Thursday to PM Eastern. So come on. Get your questions answered. Be a part of the show. Be a part of the extra point fantasy pros.com slash chat fantasy pros.com slash chat. And if you just have even a free fantasy pros account, it can hook up to the discord. You can get in here. You ain't got to have nothing else. All right. Let's get to it as we got some of the stuff out of the way Cornwallis was in here. I think I might have beat Cornwallis in here, but Cornwallis was in here at least 10 minutes before the show and was the very first hand raised. So Cornwallis, you are first up on the extra point this week. What up, dude? Oh, good afternoon. I got two questions. You want me to just fire them both off or do I want me to split them up?

17:12Yeah, I feel fire them both off. Yeah, sure. Okay. So the first one fairly easy. I don't understand. Dax ranking. I feel like he's ranked a little too low. Just wanted to get your guys's take on that. Second question is doing an auction draft and a lot of times you kind of end up with a little too much money at certain parts of the draft. various your results on who are guys in the early mid and late that you're willing to overspend on to make sure you get them on your roster. And then who is your blacklist? You don't want them unless they have you discount on them. She is Cornwallis coming in here with a banger of a question to start with. Real quick on deck. I mentioned on the fest and I'm going to let you speak on the Zerks and though I did an episode with a bogman that's going to release already on in this league. Prior to this airing on the podcast feed where we talked about league winners and losers, but what we did instead of picking our league winners and losers. We actually went and looked at like aggregate like we looked across the land. We looked for everybody else in the world's league winners and losers. And we, you know, we're able to accumulate to the top guys were hands down.

18:18And that was the number one quarterback that everybody felt was a league winner. And I thought that was interesting based on guys like Herbert and Lawrence. But ironically, he also would come up on one or two league losers. So that was really weird. So he, as I had mentioned on the fest, the players like to Corey Croskey, Marit was the number one running back. God, I'm forgetting. I think Jalen Waddle was near like the top of wide receivers and DAC was the top of quarterback. So do you buy that DAC is like underrated and if so, why is that? And obviously, if not, tell us that he's properly properly ranked. Our town is small taters by most standards, right? But to the people who grew up here, it's everything. What happens when a quiet Tennessee town becomes the front line in a battle over the future of America? Developers with right wing ties have purchased hundreds of acres of land in the area. The first thing you see when it pops up is high nears and apple etch. But they weren't just planning houses. We need cities on a shining hill that exemplify and embody the Christian way of life. Stop right there. Is that normal?

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21:23We're going to react to what happened, talk about the biggest results, of course we'll cover the playoff picture, and all the little details you might have missed while flipping between like 12 games at once. Whether you know every coach and coordinator or just want to understand why everybody is yelling, we're here to help make sense of the madness. Listen to the Solid Verbal College football show on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I think he's more properly ranked. I think that he's just part of how good quarterback is this year, and how deep you can go at the position. You look at Dak Prescott, can bear him to someone like Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow goes rounds and rounds ahead of Dak Prescott. Why would you draft Joe Burrow when you can draft Dak Prescott instead? You know what I mean? So in that perspective there's value there. The only thing I'll push back on with Dak is he doesn't add anything as a Russia. So that does technically limit like the potential ceiling, ceiling outcome for him versus some of these other players who

22:25can just add so much more on the ground, which I think is the only reason why Dak is going where he's going because he doesn't add that rushing. And I do think that there's an element of the Dallas Cowboys defense being significantly better than it was last year, where every game they played was a shootout because their defense was so bad. I don't think that's going to be the case here in 2026. So that's another thing to kind of factor in, but I think Dak is, I mean, I'm going to push back like, oh, you can't draft Dak Prescott. I think he's a good, valuable he goes, but there's just a lot of good values at quarterback this year. Yeah, I tend to do the like what you guys say about Dak. I'm like, well, pretty, pretty, pretty goes after that. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah. So you just find a lot of options like Dak. So if he's the one that ends up being there at the pick that you make, great. Yeah. So the auction question, because we can't spend 20 minutes on it. Here's what I just want to throw out. I am a studs and scrubs auction drafter. I tell myself sometimes when I do it, I won't be, but I always am. Like I get myself involved into probably spending high on four players and then finding values.

23:29So I think I don't run into your issue. I never leave money on the table because I'm spending money early. And I am finding myself later in draft just trying to kind of piece mail some of the other pieces. So that's my strategy. I never run into what you're doing. If you are running into that situation, this is probably a conversation around the must have who are players that you must have to spend on early, late, middle. And again, I don't even think it has to be an auction thing, but Eric, and you're welcome. I mean, I think I was like, Jaylen Waddle and Nick Buka, I just want to have on teams. I think if I do that, I'm going to probably spend on high running backs as well. I obviously still like McCaffrey, but I think if it was PPR guys like Devon H and but again, that's my caveat here. I don't save up money and try to have the hammer. Like people love having the hammer. I just want three or four banger players and I also go out early. Like I am, I'm going to get my first player in the first two or three because I have year after year in auctions found that I'm going to get better deals on players early on

24:31when people then start becoming desperate. Oh, the the tier is changing of running backs. The tier is changing and wide receivers. So I am aggressive early and I get a high amount of players. Do you have any different strategy you play towards auction and or who are some must targets that you are going to be spending money on? I agree going aggressive early is the way to move because at the time, it might seem like you are being aggressive, but then when the actual dollars for every player, you see them, you might realize, oh, actually, I have a deal on this player. And it's when Kyle Pitz goes for $4 less than Colson Loveland, you're going to be like, I'm glad I was aggressive. You know, and that can be like going for $27 and then Kyle Pitz goes for $22. It's just a rough example. But you can only get that experience by doing these auction drafts because that's at least my experience doing it with the King's Classic with Pat Fitzmore as my co-manager and being in a live draft room with a real auctioneer when the bolts are flying. After those first two rounds, that's when the market prices really start to get set. Whereas the first two rounds go by of people putting players on the board for certain prices.

25:34And it's kind of no man's land. Like you have kind of like a gauge because everyone has their cheat sheets about, okay, $200 budget, this guy should go for this range, but it's those first two go rounds where the players, the tiers kind of get set. And I think it makes more sense to be more aggressive. And again, it's not always going to work. Like you may end up overpaying, but I don't think you should ever feel bad for overpaying for an elite player. And that's like the thing at the end of the day. So even if you do overspend a little bit, well, overspend on junior games. Like I can live with that. I overspend on J. Mark Chase. Okay, I can live with that. The last thing you want to actually hate, overspend on a bat, like a mid player. Well, you know, it's funny about that. I actually kind of even though I said J. Linwaddle and Egg Buka, I kind of hate being put in the position where if you know everybody likes a player, that I'm then now going to be forced into overpaying for J. Linwaddle. So that's a great point. You say, let me overpay for Justin Jefferson. Let me overpay for Pukinakua instead of everybody. You think you're going to whatever your site,

26:34as Jonathan Brooks's cost is going to be his average cost. LOL. There's no, he's going to go for so much more than whatever site you're drafting on says it's going to be. And it's like, I want those guys, but those guys to me become the problem because everybody knows about the sleepers and overpaying for them. I don't like doing that. So I love that you said overpay for the top dogs. Don't put yourself in a situation where you're massively overpaying for the buzzy, fun, mid-align players. Not to say that necessarily Waddle or Buka can't be top 12 or anything like that, but I just don't like being put in that position. Yeah. So that's one thing for early round players, mid-alarm players, like some names of just guys. I think that might not be so, so expensive. I think that the Andre Swift is probably a player that I think you can probably get at a reasonable price where he's got a locked and loaded RB2 floor. And if this bears off, it's as good as we think it can be. Maybe he finally gets unleashed as a running back one this season. Receivers in the middle rounds. There's a lot of great guys that you can go through whether it's the Waddle,

27:36whether it's the Buka's, Garrett Wilson, T Higgins. Those are two other players that they don't get a ton of buzz because one's on the Jets and one's on the number two receiver, but they're also proven producers. And I think that for me, it's, I almost want to put guys that are not breakout players on my auction teams because you just don't see, is there going to be a bidding war for Garrett Wilson? Is there going to be a bidding war for T Higgins? Probably not. Well, it's kind of what I was saying. And those guys, look, do I think that they're going to have superstar seasons, like not necessarily, but do I think they can be like serviceable parts of your team and your roster? Yeah. And you can get them a good price. So those are just some names that I would listen to. And I would also punt to quarterback because a lot of auction leagues, quarterbacks go for basically nothing. And nobody bids them up because everyone knows how deep the position is. So that's another thing that I would do in the lay rounds. Yes, sir. You can also, if you want to see like players that we're into, if you haven't listened to a million episodes of us, we've got like a top targets articles on fantasy pros. If you go under the draft kit, just fanc pro's.com or on the app,

28:38you can go to the draft kit and you'll sign, you'll see like Erickson, DeBro, Fidzi, I've got one of like our cheat sheets, top targets and stuff like that. And that can maybe help you figure out these are players. If we want them, we might be willing to auction more. But just remember what we've said. I don't disagree with you. Like Garrett Wilson, Roma Dunes, they doesn't feel like those are going to be going, you know, who's going to go for way more? Jonathan Brooks, Parker Washington, like those are guys that are going to go for astronomical amounts. Not to say that you don't want them, but that's just how the auctions are going to. If you're like banking, like, well, guys, I'm going to get the value on Parker Washington. It's like, you're probably not actually. So good luck. J-Mac, premium member on the Fantasy Bros discord. What's up, J-Mac? I'm new to that mic. No? There you go. Sorry about this. There it is. Oh, I appreciate it. Dynastie question 12, team 1, QB, the league analyzer estimate projected sixth right now. So that's something. But someone's coming after Sharbrane and his best offer is a 2028 second round for Sharbrane. What do you think? Yep. Take it. You're easy on that?

29:40Yeah, they just drafted a running back in the first round. He's coming off a major knee injury in a contract here. So I have no idea what Sharbrane could be in 2027. But he may be on a different team. I don't like his outlook. I don't like the trade because I think Sharbrane can re-establish. I mean, I'll be honest with you. Like, there's a chance that he could just destroy his value where he doesn't come back and he's just nothing. But I think there's... We're talking about a 2028 second round pick. I'm not sure that the value holds there. And I think there's a path in the next 12 months where he either comes back. They give him opportunity. He reestabishes his value. Or he is a free agent. He's on a new team and he's been being the starter. If you would have said a first round pick, I think that's something where you don't screw around. I don't think a second round pick to me is worth. I would rather sit on him and see if I can recoup better value because a second round pick doesn't hold as much weight. But Erickson and I have different dynasty philosophies,

30:40especially when it comes to players and draft picks. Well, to your point, I think that waiting for Sharbrane to probably just come back first is probably... Before he comes back and plays, just okay, he's back healthy. He's going to play this week. That's when you trade him. Before he actually steps foot on the field, but when he's not on IR or Pupp anymore. There might be... It might be the literal worst time to trade him. Is Jadaring Price continues to go up. He's on the Pupp. No one's talking about him. You do... There's an opportunity, like I said, that he becomes a big ol' fat nothingburger and you get nothing for him. But you really care that you lost out in two years from now, second round pick. I'm just not... I just don't know if that matters as much. But that's me. Jack, Jack Premium member on the Fantasy Bros Discord. What's up, dude? Come on down. Done, done, done. Hey, guys. Hey, what up? I put my question in the chat. It's another dynasty thing. I lost in the championship. I have a really solid roster. One quarterback, two Roder Sievers, two running backs, two flights.

31:43Yep, we got it. So, I'm kind of being asked to make trades. I don't feel like I need to make trades. I think... This is kind of like a do a trade because I'm bored kind of situation. So it would be sending Rashi Rice and Javante Williams to upgrade like RB3 and RB2 for Breast Hall and a 27 second and fourth. I don't know if that's like the Fantasy Bros. Dynasty rankings makes it kind of seem pretty equal. I just wanted to see what you guys thought. I don't know. Yeah, I think that this is a one you got to walk away. You got to walk out. I hate it. Never hated it. I'd trade more. You just said you're going to upgrade it. You're downgrading it, running back. You're actually downgrading it, running back. Javante, it's a lateral at best.

32:45At best, it's lateral. So that means Rashi Rice only worth a second and a fourth round pick. I hate it. Now, if you're trying to win now because this is the only time he's going to help you. I want to win now. Yeah, that's right. That's the way it says to win now. Yeah, I want to win now. I got to go right. Rice is only good if you want to win your league now. Because there's no difference between rice's dynasty ranking and his redraft ranking because everyone knows that 2027 he could be out of the league. At that point, we don't know what's going to happen to Rashi Rice. But this year, he should at least be productive. By the way, don't let Jack was sounding like Debro here. He's getting bullied around at his league. Like, he just wanted me to trade. Like, no, that's a bad trade. That is not the point. Because he got B-john 40 Burger last year in the championship, which obviously sucks. But yeah, don't let the league mates bully around. Like, no, you run the trades. You are how it roseman. Have confidence. You're the captain. Yeah, you counter. And you go like, I'll give you Rashi Rice. And I want Breeze Hall in a second round pick.

33:45And then just go there. Like, that's in the other direction. That's how I play the hammer. Oh. The hammer down. Exactly. That's where I want the hammer. Not in the auction league. I want it in the trades. Take it back. What is J, J, J, J, what's up, J, J? How you all doing? Good. Good man. How you doing? Good. I have two trade questions for you. One is a dynasty. I have AJ Brown. And I'm rebuilding. Do I trade him? I have it off from the table for Caleb Douglas and the first. The second question. I just wait. First in 2027. First in 2027. Okay. Stop there. Stop there for a second. Let's just break that down. So hold on, J, J. Ericson, what do you think about this? I know. That's that's the market price for Brown. If you rebuild her, Brown is going to be he's older. So I think that getting a first for him makes sense. Just the first alone. Just that doesn't mean 27 classes stacked. So no, no, I completely agree with that. But I'm like, the guy that you would take in the top 15,

34:47regardless of age, who's going to have a couple more years, like a first round, that'll just that's a loan. I mean, you want to know. I guess like for me, it's enough. I mean, obviously I'd want as much like a get. But I think that's the going rate. I think that's okay. Yeah, I'm not in love with it. But again, I'm like, I'm super hyper. Like I guess you want to have your picks next year. And if you told me that is a projected top five pick, I think that holds a lot more weight. If you're going to tell me that's like bottom half of the first round, it's just like, I don't know, man. Like I guess you said you're rebuilding. It's just like, can you not get more? But again, you can tell the differences of me and Ericson. Have what was the second question? I just did a redraft. And Josh Jacobs is my RB2. How worried are we about his legal situation? And should I trade for Marshawn Lloyd? Guy that has Marshawn Lloyd once Quentin Johnson back for him? That's a good question. I think I'm generally worried about the suspension.

35:49But it's probably only going to be to like a one or two game run. I love the idea of getting Marshawn Lloyd. But would you trade Johnston for Marshawn Lloyd? So you're not responding to this Jacobs report because that thing, that was nothing new. That's the same stuff that's always been out there for a while. Right. But I think that it got confused because some of the reporting was that, oh, we're embracing for him to be suspended when they asked him. The question was, were it a very different leave than how some of the reporting was? Yeah. Where it could have been a kind of misleading of, okay, he's going to be preparing for. Yeah, like for their preparing for him to get suspended. No, the question was the reporter asked, Gouda Kahn's, hey, so are you prepared if Jacobs gets suspended? And of course, he's going to say, yes, so I can't even be like, no, we're so screwed. If like the the Peyton Manning thing where it's like, we don't practice F to write, like if Peyton Manning were to go down, it's one of the backups that we played. It's like, well, Peyton Manning doesn't play, we're screwed. So the packer's a little bit more prepared.

36:50I think Lloyd for Quentin Johnson is fair. But I think that the plan scared here, I think, a little bit. I mean, you drafted Josh Jacobs as your RB2, and now you're handcuffing him when there really is no other information. So I don't, I don't really love this maneuver to be honest. Like this feels like you're drafting and playing kind of scared, which I guess why do you draft Jacobs in the first place? Maybe you really thought you were concerned. Maybe I get, I don't know where they got him in the draft. It's RB2. So like he was like six-round pick, like six. There's not a lot of risk there. So I don't know, I don't love this maneuver. I'm kind of indifferent about, I mean, because he said this is redraft, right? So like, like, Johnson's going way ahead of March on Lloyd, I feel like, is he not? No, 100%. Like my brain for minutes, I was sitting here, I was like, I don't know, like dynasty, like I want Lloyd. Maybe, I mean, unless you're Debro, and how you think Johnson's going to perform, like Lloyd is like a really great buy, but in a redraft, like what's the path for Lloyd? It is like strictly down to two things. Josh Jacobs gets suspended for a decent amount of time,

37:52or Jacob's gets hurt. Otherwise, like, can you even see a scenario where Jacobs and Lloyd become Kyron Williams and Blake Korim? And it's like it's hard to kind of see that. So to your point, then you're now trading maybe more valuable asset that is going to have more game time in Johnston for Lloyd. Yeah, this just feels like Plank's cared a little bit, and I don't know if I want to do that. So Quint Johnson is the better asset in a vacuum, and Lloyd is still an unproven asset all together. So I'll keep Johnson. Moch Draft Mondays. This show is coming to you from our Fantasy Bros Discord. So make sure to join the community of passionate fantasy fans. This time of the year, our Moch Draft channel is hoppin'. Did I mention before about how you can moch Draft? Yes, I did earlier. Well, guess what? Make sure to join us for a Moch Draft Monday, where all users can moch Draft against each other, and some of your favorite analysts. Join today at fantasybrows.com slash chat. That's fantasyprows.com slash chat. Moch Draft Monday.

38:52Love it. Nick, I think it's back on the show. I love to see our regulars that pop in here. Nick, what's up dude? What do you got for us? Hello, Nick. There we go. What's up, Nick? Oh, Nick. Look, Nick's had these problems before. One, two, three, kick. Oh, oh, wow. Wow. What timing. I booted him like I booted Seth from the first round. Yeah, right. You got the hot feet, man. Boone everybody. I just got to get him out of there. Yeah, here you go, Nick. So you got to be quick on the draw, man. Quick on the draw. All right, Nick. Sorry, that was immaculate timing too that I booted. But, Nick, you got to re-accept it and come back up here. It's killing me. I get a trigger finger. I get three seconds of silence, and I got to start booting. All right, Nick. Well, we'll come back to you. Kevin, there's some issues there. So, yeah, read, no, no, don't worry about it. I don't apologize, my friend. But re-raise your hand. We'll try to do it again. Before that, though, let's go to Catalyst.

39:53What's so dude? Hey guys, thanks for having me on the show. I just want your two cents as far as draft strategy. I'm trying to do it for read draft. So it's 10 team PPR, three wide receiver start. I'm coming off, that championship win. Because one of the things I benefited on the last two years is the strategy where I punt away quarterback, like past, like round 10. And I found gems two years ago with Jane Daniels and Drake May last year. So I'm thinking that as far as potentially top five numbers, maybe like three quarter of the season will be Kyler Murray. Do you think that would be the case? So this is, you gotta refresh me. You did a really good job of breaking down. But this is a 10 team three wide receiver PPR? Yes. And you want to go link quarterback and Kyler's your target, correct? Yeah, or Caleb Williams. Okay, well, I mean, those are two very, very different earlier than Kyler will. So I don't think I'm gonna say that. Okay, but then are you comfortable taking Kyler so much later,

40:55understanding Caleb's gonna go sooner? Or do you think Caleb is such a tear above that he's worth taking, you know, let's just say that eighth round. I'm just throwing out a number. I'm not looking at his ADP right now. Let's say eighth round Caleb or legitimately, like probably 14th round Kyler. Like does the gap mean anything to you to take Kyler or because it's a 10 man league and the gaps can be different. You want to make sure you have a guy like Caleb. Oh, no, he said it was 10, not 12. He said it was 10, okay. Yeah, because I think for me, unless I really don't like any of the running backs receivers tight ends that are in Caleb's range, then I'm just gonna wait for Kyler. Because in a 10 team league, you have access to all the quarterbacks. And if Kyler doesn't work out, like you don't need to hold on to him, right? Cut to eight, gone. Go to the way we're wide because you know, there's gonna be plenty of quarterbacks there because it's only a 10 team league. So I still like going late around quarterback here and further investing in running backs while I'd receivers in tight ends. And there's also no guarantee that Caleb goes in round eight.

41:57Like he could go earlier as, you know, playing for the one of the most hyped up teams. This offseason, the 2026 Chicago Bears. So if he goes round six, it's like sick. Like I'm gonna take another running back or wide receiver. Whereas we all know that Kyler is a thousand percent going in the late rounds. Yeah. Well, and there's also the Brock parties of the world that we talked about. We're gonna talk about our sleepers. Yeah. By the way, we're talking about our sleepers here in a couple of minutes of who we've got. Kyler might be on at least one of these list. He's on one. He's on number one quarter. I can't find two. Breaking news. Weiler alert. He's on both the bars. So he is one of those. So a big spoiler alert there. All right, Nick, you're back up. Are you here? I am. Thank you for your patience. Yes. That's all good for the other one. Well, she's apologized for booting you. I'm sorry. Sorry. You're what's the bit from from happy Gilmore. You're smart. I'm dumb. You're more attractive than me. I am less attractive. I'm sorry, Nick. I love you. We have. I'll get about it.

42:58I'm curious in like a 10 versus 12 team league for like early round build. If you're thinking of like still thinking of like two RBs through the first three, when to go early with like tight end versus waiting a little bit, I know theoretically in a 10, you want to have like more elite onesie outside. But just curious what your strategy is. And like, you know, in like a later part of a first round, if like I'm on rock or someone falls, are you trying to go there or like try to do two RBs through the first two? And like if not, I guess. Which second running back, you'd want to like be the cut off in those first few rounds. I think we actually we did a segment on draft strategy, by the way, on fantasy fast. It's a great question. So be on the lookout for that. That one was with Seely and Fitsy. And I think we actually kind of covered this a tiny bit. I'm a BPA guy in 10 team leagues. I think maybe we've kind of discussed this a little bit if I'm going to sacrifice a position, it's going to be quarterback.

43:59But I am strict best player available because the player pool is better. The whole wide receiver running back thing doesn't really vibe for me. And I've also been toying around with telling everybody like, I can't help myself when I can get Zay flowers as my third wide receiver. And you can do that in 10 man leagues because I like guys like Bay Shulton at running back. So it's BPA. That's the best thing I can tell you. Maybe tight ends go a little bit higher as well, but I'm pushing quarterback down and I'm BPA coastline, any differences Erickson? Yeah, no, I'd have nothing else to add. Exactly what I said. Push up tight and a little bit more. Be ready to take hours, be ready to take a leveling, et cetera. What does Bavars look like to you for that? Because I think I'm a little more gun shy about still investing. I'm more comfortable. I can do it, but I'm still slightly more gun shy than Fits or you. What would Bavars look like? Like if you're in a 10 team and you had the ninth pick

44:59and you're coming around to us, that'd be pick 12. Would you do it or pick a, yeah, that'd be pick 12. Would you have hours there on the screen? 16. You're picking, oh, I know, I'm getting a 10 team. No, no, yeah, you know where I'm at. Been a long week. Yeah. Well, wherever, I guess for me, I always look at Brock Bavars as like kind of like Drake London except he plays tight end. So wherever Drake London goes, I feel like Brock Bavars should go one spot ahead, questionable quarterbacks, alpha target earners on their offenses, except one of them plays tight end. And that makes a lot of a difference, especially in a full PPR. So yeah, I don't issue taking Bavars in a 10 team league at the beginning of round two. But would you do it if let's say, Gentie, H&J, Brown and Bavars are sitting there at 11? Would you be like, well, I want to take Bavars because of tight end, the advantage I'm going to get in this 10 team, like would you do that? Yeah, assuming that I have a running back. I think it just depends who you go in round one. I don't know if I want to come on. So if you did a wide receiver, you wouldn't.

46:00If you took like Jefferson at nine, yeah, I think that matters. Like because there's no more running back after the first two rounds most likely. So that's that's what you don't want to run into. So yeah, I mean, in a 10 team league, we've seen Gentie fall down to 15. Is it like out of pocket to think he could come back in the third round or Kyron Williams seems to always be? I guess that's not like that doesn't still qualify like elite or anything like that. But I think it's a good breakdown. There's a couple different scenarios there. I like I said, I'm strictly more BPA than anything else. But 12 and 10 is super important to have the differences. Fuzzy, what's up fuzzy? What you got for us? Then I see Chinger, Chintinzor in the chat. Hey, we got you, man. Great, thanks for having me on. Just more of a dynasty question here. So recently we had a couple orphan teams that got joined. So we're doing like a software reset where we're keeping seven players and redrafting

47:00the rest of the players and wanted to get your feedback on how many people I should, I got a cut three, but I know I'm cutting Josh Downs. I put my screenshots of the teams that I currently have and wanted to get your feedback on who the other two people should be. And it's a one quarterback, QB 12 team dynasty. So I was leaning more towards cutting Chintin Daniels. I know it hurts, but to stack with rum with dunes to go with Caleb Williams and then maybe either Marvin Harrison, Travion or Rashee Rice. So that's so wait, what we're looking at is the entirety of the seven players that can be kept, correct? Correct. Okay, cool. All right, so let's just do this real quick. And then we want to get through our other two, I think it's our sleepers. The team just so everybody knows, I just had to go away from it. Do you have that? Here we go. I mean, I'm not cutting Daniels, even if I have a key.

48:01So it's Caleb or Jaden. Okay, so you keep Jaden. He keeps H&N, he keeps Jenty, he keeps McBride. That's four. And then you choose between Rice, Adunzay, Henderson and Harrison. You've got to keep three of those four. And I'm guessing Travion, Adunzay, and then it's Harrison versus Rice. And, am I right? Am I on the right track here? Yeah, no, Harrison and Rice would be the two guys that would cut if he needs to cut three people. But if he has to keep one of those, because that's how I remember, it's the two running backs, Daniels, McBride. Oh yeah, Henderson, yeah, sorry, I screwed that up. So then it would be, or no. No, I'm doing this, right? So now it is Adunzay, Harrison and Rice. Oh yeah, we're keeping Adunzay. So then which do you do Harrison and Rice? I think I'm gonna cut Harrison. Yeah, I'm cutting Harrison. See ya. I just see ya, buddy. You guys got to show, I guess he's got to show it to me first. Before. Yep. See ya, pal, kick it as a fun one. Chinsor, what up dude?

49:03The hollow knight himself. I did my homework from last week. Do you wanna refresh your on what the homework was? Oh yes, this one, yeah, do it. Please do a refresher. I forgot, we told you to draft, but I don't remember what we told you. Yes, so the premises, I'm in a 14 team league. It's full PPR starting to run in back to Iter-Sieber's in a flex and then everything else is pretty normal. And I'm in the four spots. So Chase is probably gonna be gone as well. The top two are B's, so I'm looking at, you know, probably a wide receiver because I don't like CMC or JT. And so when I was mocking, I can get a Puka or JS Senator Amner out, which are one of those I decide to take. And then AJ Brown and Z-Flour is, because I don't like the running back, so I can go spots. And then it was pretty much. This was that three wide receiver thing, right? When we were talking about should you know, three wide receiver. The episode didn't air last week, so reminding everybody, this was where I got kind of like enamored with three wide receiver. So we said go to the mock draft simulator experiment with it. So you took three straight wide receivers, and now you're gonna break down what your running back situation look like.

50:04Right, and before I get to that ready back part, I just wanna quick question on that first wide receiver, because it's a 14 team, so I wanna be a little bit more safe with that first pick. So I'm thinking, do you think it's crazy to go Amner onset of JS Center Puka if they're there? Just since you such a high floor high ceiling player? Not crazy, but I'm not doing it, but it's not crazy. I'm taking Puka. Yeah, Puka's my pick as well. I have no idea what it is. JSN, but not Puka. Right, okay. Okay, so worst case ready back, because I got were Ramandre, Jonathan Brooks, JK Davins, and Jakordi Krasky-Marit. So as far as worst case goes, pretty bad. Pretty bad, yeah, it's pretty bad. Those were your, yeah. Ramandre. Our Ramandre was the RB1 Brooks was the two with Bill. That is a pretty bad. And this was like, I mean, I have a newborn sign mocked draft, you know, I'm holding them in the sleep, so I was like probably 25 mocked drafts. I got, it took a long time for me to get something that bad. Okay, so my question then, it's clear for this.

51:05That was an entire, like that was the worst version of what one team looked like, correct? That was weren't just like the worst, were those the worst RB1s? You put across all of them, or was that an entire RB setup? That was an RB setup. That was my roster of our views. Okay, yeah, that does stink. Yeah, the best case was, Tudon Swift, Jonathan Brooks and Pollard. That rocks. That, I love that. There you do love that. A lot of times we switched. All are you, are we the other one? Tudon Swift, Pollard and Brooks. Wait, he said Brooks beforehand. He said that. He got Brooks in both of them. Yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah, the Brooks always lives in these, but this, this thing rocks. Yeah, yeah, well, because you said, well, you mentioned before of his bad. And you know, because the other one is Ramanjre Brooks. He's telling, he's telling us. He's Ramanjre and Pollard. Ramanjre is better than Pollard. Okay, but Tudon and Swift are the one too. The other scenario, Ramanjre and Brooks are the one too.

52:07Yeah, I get that. That's poop. I mean, well, Brooks is in both of them. So I guess I'm not as like, but Brooks is the number three here. And this one, number four, or well, number three, I guess if you like, him over Pollard. Either way, worst case scenario, I don't think is Doomsday and best case scenario is Swift or Tudon, which I think is really good. So I like this, it'll be procedure. And I think that doing these reps helped. I would say. It's a good thing to do. You don't get that. Very good, Changer. Very good homework. I hope we answer that. A plus. Yeah, he's after us next week. Yes. Yes, a report back to us. What's that? Put on the fridge. A plus put on the fridge. Yeah, I love it. All right, last one. And then we'll burn through some sleepers. This is the duck mafia. What's up, Doc mafia? Yeah. Edelman, I want to say that word before my three seconds is over. I'd like to thank both of you. This is my first time in here. And if you can't tell from the accent, once a pat, always a pat.

53:08You and Ericsson, blood brothers here. All right. What you got, man? OK, so we have a redraft every year. No, it's not a redraft, different league. I'm sorry. We're going to league with two keepers. And my keepers this year are going to be Hampton in the third and Javante Williams in the sixth. I ended up getting lucky. In our league, if you are seventh to 12th place, there's like a lottery. And whoever wins that lottery will go first and that keeps everybody playing. So nobody just ducks out and sells everything they have. My keeper league does something similar with the lottery. Yeah. And I didn't use to like it. But this year, I love it because I'm first in Gibbs's and that is in there. And so just though both of you know, I asked Pat this question and he had some colorful adjectives and said, that's what I'd be if I didn't take Gibbs right out of the gate. Because I had Chase and he told me to drop him. I'm like, I just got Chase. He goes, I don't care. Drop him and go and take Gibbs. You're running backs are all set. Then you can work from there. So my question to you is in this particular league,

54:10we, I'm sorry for the pre-flow. Well, I just wanted you guys to know that because in this league, we have to take a rookie. Every year we have to take a brand new rookie. And my question to you guys is knowing what I already have, what rookie would you guys consider me looking for and when in the draft? What I do. So you just have to take a rookie at any time. At any given time. That's correct. Okay. Yeah, you got to take Gibbs by the way. I don't know, that's kind of a loaded question as far. Like it would probably, obviously running back is good. So I don't think I'm going to sit here and tell you, Jeremiah Love or even like the Jonah Coleman's or the world. Good. No, I was going to say this is a terrible rookie running back class in general. And love is going to be the most expensive one. So I think giving that you feel really good about your running backs anyway, probably don't need to draft a subpar rookie running back. So I think I think I think the play for me is true for is it Tyson? And you just, hey man, he's going to be cheap

55:11because he's injured right now. But if he comes to that healthy, do like that guy can be a monster. Again, it's a total boomer bus type of play. But one that we can be look at next year and be like, oh my god, like you got to run Tyson for that. So that's kind of why I don't like those initials. So that's, you know what is interesting about that? Is like if he's keeping, what was it? Javante and Hampton. Do you remember who it was? Hampton. I was about to be like, is there really a scenario where to, well, guess what? If Tyson comes back and he balls and you got him in the like well, throwned, I can see a scenario where you dump back Javante and then you keep Hampton and you keep a absolutely late round Tyson. I actually really like that Tyson one. I'm indifferent about Tate. We are on different sides, but like Dejon's tripling, you can just get, I know he's going up higher, but maybe nearly you can get him later. I think the big focus here is wide receiver. Go for a rookie wide receiver. And I think Tate actually might be a super, super sneaky option like Ericsson's talking about

56:11because there's a potential for a keeper, a true keeper there. Rest of the guys might have a much harder path and actually being kept, but I like that one. I like that one. So go for wide receiver. Very great questions. All of you guys rock. That leads us to the sleeper section of the episode. So again, top seven, we have all the pressure now to try to somehow get back into the top 10 so we can be on that article. And everyone's happy with us because we got tagged in it when we got it in Fantasy Pros and we're like, oh, yay, we got there. Top five, how do we get back to top five? Let's talk through it. The Fantasy Pros sleeper ranks, how you guys end up seeing them is just in your draft boards. I think there's obviously like articles and stuff like that. But when you guys do mock drafts, you get the insights after and we have these consensus rankings of what the sleepers are. We are giving the option. So you understand again, two quarterbacks. We can only pick two and it is from a pool of quarterbacks. Four running backs for wide receivers, two tight ends,

57:11there's also a defense. It is a very specific pool. One slight caveat to that though is if you are active on it, some players come in and out of that. I have a, I'll give you an example. I have a wide receiver on my sleepers that is not available anymore because I was there early and this guy was available at one time. So we'll talk about that in here in a second. But let's go through it. Let's talk about our sleepers and the first one we've already given away, we both have Kyler Murray on our quarterbacks. So with our sleeper quarterbacks, is he your number one or number two? He's number one. Okay, number one for me too. We both have Kyler anything you want to any color, we don't want to go too crazy along on this, but any color you want to add, especially as him being the number one. I think we've talked about the rushing upside, with Jefferson, it just seems like he can step in and be a top 10 quarterback coming at the very back end of most drafts and in some situations not drafted at all. He's betting on the environment, being better for him, being in a non-Arizona Cardinal organization.

58:11I think he's gonna do him well and I just think there's no threats behind him anymore with McCarthy, whence maybe actually the back up. So he's got, I mean, it's put up a shut up, right? He's got a deliver or else. Yeah. All right, do you want to do court, you want it, should we do all of them by the way? I guess I didn't even ask you, do we want to give away all of the first? Yeah, let's, yeah, again, we don't have to dive deep into them and we can always resurface some of them when we talk next week as we kind of put like pen to paper and a lot of things. I didn't even mean from a time perspective, I didn't know if you wanted to like, we wanted to hide any of them. No, I didn't mean to hide. Again, people got drafts, they gotta know. So Malik Willis is my second quarterback. I was gonna do like, let's do a one, two, three shoot and then say the name, I'm also Malik. So we're about where the exact, yeah. So Malik Willis has done, we had, I'd mentioned, I want to give this stat, I just want to do this because I did research before the JJ episode on fantasy fest because I knew he had him as a sleeper. My favorite thing I pulled up and I actually use coach

59:12here in fantasy pros, coach is in the corner bars of everything, it can help you in drafts but you also can ask it questions. And I had it do, I mean, I let it to giving the information for the last 10 years, I had at least every quarterback that had 500 yards rushing or more and what their fantasy finish was. 28 quarterback showed up. Only three of the 28 did not finish as a top 10 quarterback in fantasy. The average of all 28 combined was quarterback five. That's a good case. By the way, fantasy pros projections, Malik Willis, number two in rushing yards at quarterback at over 600. So that was one of the fun cases. So I think we agree on that. Let's go to running backs. This is going to be a much more open pool here. I bet we don't even have two of the same ones. Let's work down from four to one. Coming in at number four for you is... Hank Bigsby. Ooh, tanky. Is that based on injury or is that just based on usage?

1:00:15A mix. Tank Bigsby was actually good last year when most of the Eagles offense was not good and he plays behind an older running back. Where are we ranked at tanky Bigsby's safe bomb arc in Mrs. Weak? He's going to be ranked really, really high. So some of these running backs, you need an injury. Obviously that's the best case scenario for tank Bigsby. But the way they've been talking about him, I think that he might have some type of role. So for me, that's why he's number four. Number four, I've got Mike Washington. I think that kind of speaks for itself. People might have him higher. I don't even think it has to necessarily injury base, but he might get some early production. So I got Mike Washington coming in at number three you have. Keith Mitchell. And I still don't know if I love this one or not. I just think that he's going to be very hot. I feel like he's going to be popular here in someone that I'm like towing with. Like, I see the path, but then he's already hurt. So that doesn't make me feel good. They like Vidal. So he's one that I struggle with. But honestly, I don't love a lot of the late round running back. So he kind of by default made my ranking. But I don't love him.

1:01:15I did have him at one point, but I did end up taking him off. My number three is Martian Lloyd. Martian Lloyd with the Josh Jacobs stuff. Him getting run. I really like him. Number two for you. Yeah, Lloyd, if there was a fifth spot, Lloyd would be fifth for me. And he might be in my final list when I completely finalize everything. Number two is Jonah Coleman. Hmm. OK, well, very interesting. My number two is Braille and Alan. I think I get fights with Bogman about it. Everybody thinks it's core breeze hall. I'm just not sold on it. I think Braille and Alan is kind of a beast. And might have some touch on equity. And my number one sleeper running back is Jonah Coleman. That is my actually. It's funny that you say that because mine is Jonah Coleman at number one, who shores? I don't Samson as number one. I don't know. And I let him go. You let him go. I don't know if I let him go for my number one though. I don't know if I love him as I never won though. So I might just we might just hand. I'm cool with handholding Jonah Coleman at number one, a piece. Like that is that is the only one that we had in agreement on. So we agree that's the only one that we had.

1:02:15Yes. So that's a good one to be like our number one running back sleeper. The extra point will become the new the new face of the show is Jonah Coleman. Kyler and his are extra point quarterback and Jonah Coleman's our running back. Jonah Coleman on the tailgate. And it's football team. Jonah Coleman. Oh, okay. You made the team hopefully be on mine. All right, let's go to let's go to White receiver coming in at number four for you is who? Tray Harris. I'm obsessed. So how is he forward though? What are you talking about? How is he going to be realistic? All right. All right. That's fair. Number four for me is Tank Dell. I am a little bit worried about the booty. The booty coming in here, but I've been a tanked L guy for months. And I think I like tank is just still a beast. And I think I might take a couple of weeks, but back half of the season, I just would not be surprised if tank starts kind of return. These are our true guys are true. I am a true. I don't know if anybody else like I go down with Tray Harris go down tanked out. Doesn't matter. Nothing is going to take me off a tanked L. So I just got to do it.

1:03:18Number three coming in at number three for you. I'm struggling. Had to put in there. Oh, you dog. You live in three. I flyer. What do you mean? You're not allowed to have him. What do you hate her? Get him off of your list. That's not allowed. I've been more positive about him. He just has to be a sleeper. He doesn't necessarily need to meet his ADP. He just has to be a sleeper. He doesn't sleep. So what's your name? You're struggling to make your list at all. He did make my list. Oh, okay. I'm gotten to him yet. But I'm not shocked that he's on your list. Not on a list. I'm shocked. He's on your list. I mean, again, like I'm playing the numbers here. It's him against. I want you guys. I don't really love that much. Like, yeah. By the way, to give perspective, because I didn't do. Well, okay. Number three for me is Debo Samuel. So you did both organize receivers. I have both 49. You're hedging. Yeah. I am hedging a little bit.

1:04:18Smart. To get perspective of the players that are available on the White receiver list, I and the running back because I didn't do that. Running back kind of starts around Taj, Tajer Spears, Keaton Mitchell, Tank, Sharbin, Edeland Samson. Those are the top five available. And then it goes down from there. White receiver starts at Rashid Shaheed down. I have a player that would rank much higher, but I was earlier. That's going to come in in a tiny bit. But my number three is Debo Samson. And I'll tell you right now, my number two is Dejon Stribling. So I have Debo and Dejon. There's a tiny bit of a hedge. But at the same time, you know, Mike Evans a little bit banged up. Debo is going to be using a very specific way. And even in his weird ways last year, he was like a top 24 and half PPR. He's got a lot of touch on equity. I just, I find it hard to believe that Stribling is not going to get targets. But I did have him at one at one point. I took him off of number one. So I don't have him at one. Who is your two, three and two? You said three was Stribling. Stribling is three. Yeah. Two is for two. Okay. You went with the top guy. So coming in at number one, I don't think you're going to have my guy

1:05:19unless you put him on earlier because he's, I don't think he's available anymore. I'm not sure. Maybe I'm not seeing it because I have picked him. Who's your number one? Digs. Oh, he is available then. I have stuff on. Yeah, no, because it's the same player pool for everybody. That's why like, I think we take some players off sometimes. No, no, it doesn't. So it turns in. That's why Jordan Tyson's not available, even though he's now in that range. Because I'm going too high when the sleeper rankings were first released, because they don't want to change the player pool. Because that again, that's like not fair because everyone is. So there are some players that can't qualify sleepers, but digs to me just feels kind of like he's the key in Alumpay from last year, which was like the best pick you could have made. So it's just kind of like rinse and repeat. Okay. So we've now got a consensus quarterback. Now we're going to join me in running back and we have stuff. I know there's a problem. We got digs and we have struggling. Let's just go to Titan. Then give me your top two on the Titan. We'll just be quick about that. John Johnson, angry dulcich. Do you want to take a guess with mine? I mean, I can't remember if you like dulcich or not. Is it so it's the same players, Erickson.

1:06:21It's the exact same players. I have dulcichs at two and I have John Johnson at one. Is that how you have it? We have team. We got to make a graphic for this. Wow. Okay. Yeah. Let's get another face off type of branding. Yeah. We 100% we did not even talk about what our sleepers are. And I don't even think you can visibly see. I'm not sure if you can see them right now, but I had no idea. Very, very interesting that we have the same top at it. Well, we didn't at running back, but we are now, but those are all sleepers. Yeah. There you go. All right. All right. Defense though. I mean, this is like if this matches then all bets are all. All right. Who do you got? Lions. I have the Packers. We have some division. All right. Some things change, but I guess our all team is John Johnson digs, Stribbling, Jonah Coleman and Kyler Murray. If you want to build the team, those are all sleeper teams there. You guys take that for whatever it is. We were top seven. We'll see if we even can be in the general range moving forward.

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