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Let's start with the most obvious talking points.

Squirrels are not aliens.

I know a lot of people say that, a lot of people think that.

I do believe the squirrel he's referring to is an alien now.

Oh, okay.

But like, um, actually, I'm actually, that is an alien squirrel.

Hey, uh, hello everybody and welcome back to the break room.

It's Monday, March 9th and there's a lot going on in the nerd world to stand top up.

So we're going to do a roundup of the headlines.

Brian, hit the graphic.

Yeah.

The bow.

I'm now expert with me today out here in front of the camera is Abby Freel and also Brian

Kim.

We're out here.

We're out here.

Uh, we.

The A team.

Yeah, truly.

Yes.

Yeah, man.

18.

Brian was going to be behind the camera today and then when he looked at all the stuff we

had to talk about, he got excited and decided to join us out here.

So thank you, Brian, for coming out of the shadows.

Yeah, you don't have to be in your little case.

It's true.

Yeah, I don't even mean the little producer box.

I want to out here.

I want to talk about it.

Uh, I guess I could have talked about it over there, but um, it's different than the

vibe here.

It's better if you're up here.

Yeah.

Like it's more, right?

Right?

Like Bert didn't want to hang out with me.

It's.

The vibes were off.

Yeah.

I don't know if you noticed when you were over there instead of over here.

Yeah.

Oh, that's awkward.

Yeah.

It was actually a producer call.

I was like, I need to really make sure you guys are okay.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Um, it was getting too bravo.

Um, okay.

Well, let's do first things first.

You guys, we have a, uh, a bunch of, oh, wait, no, I forgot.

I didn't even read the script.

I was getting into the trails.

I forgot.

We have the results.

Oh, that's a draft.

That's right.

So last week, uh, Brian Abby and myself did a draft to try to pick our dream team to

defeat Doom.

At the time, everybody said, Berg, your picks are great.

Berg, you're doing this the best better than the rest of us.

I know who.

We can roll.

We don't have time to roll the tape.

But I think that was one of you who was saying that.

I don't know.

And at the end, we were like, just in case we're wrong.

Right.

Right.

Right.

Let's let, let's let the audience vote on it.

So Brian posted a poll.

Uh, you guys voted here are the final results of who won the draft.

Who won?

Who?

Who?

Honestly, like, I haven't had a great team.

I'm actually shocked how small my portion of the pie is that I like only 30% of you guys

agree with me.

It's tough.

It's tough to see.

I don't know.

I think the people have spoken something I want to point out is my team was blue and my

size of the pie is blue.

I don't know if that's intentional or not, but I like I like the we're all about synergy

last week.

I like.

Well, I just want to say.

You're welcome.

Do you have a, you know, I know like a victory speech or anything for, uh, no, I just

know that that team would have defeated him.

Yeah.

The, the century professor X combo was very, I think that was the one I was really, that

was what I was doing.

Yeah.

Yeah.

As soon as it happened, all three of us were like, that is probably the way to go.

Yeah.

So.

And so that was our, we'll do more of those drafts.

So when we do, we'll be sure to get you guys involved in voting on who wins.

It's normally me, but it's nice to get an outside opinion.

Let's see how other people will have the people think about it.

We also have some, uh, some big news fans of Andor and Game of Thrones are having their

Venn diagram overlap moment because, uh, Bo Willemann is in talks.

Uh, Bo Willemann, uh, who's writer on Andor is in talks to do a, uh, Game of Thrones

project.

We don't really have a ton of specifics on it yet, um, other than people have seen the

script and are jazzed.

Yeah.

Where, where did you two sit on the Andor, uh, spectrum?

Were you like pro Andor, no Andor pro pro, yeah, I, I was, I mean, that was like one

of my favorite things on TV last year, won a Saturn award for Best Sci-Fi TV series this

weekend.

Um, but, uh, but yeah, so to, you know, and, and you guys know my stance on Game of Thrones

from various ranked videos we've done, uh, I, I was a huge fan of the books that I felt

burned by the TV show, um, this, this is the kind of news that might bring me back, back

out of the cold.

Yeah.

I think it would have to depend on what it is for me.

Yeah.

Sure.

Um, cause I, I think the rumors that it was like Aegon the Conqueror, which could go either

way.

Yeah.

Sure.

In terms of my excitement slash the execution of it.

Yeah.

But as someone who love, I love the Targaryen stuff, like I, I've read fire and blood, like

three times, even though it's not even that exciting of a book.

Yeah.

It's kind of just like a small, it's like the TV.

Yeah.

Um, so I'm excited.

And I think the Andor team working on it with, that's what, that's what we wanted from

Game of Thrones at the end of what made Game of Thrones good was the politics and the nuances

of it all.

And I think if they do the Aegon the Conqueror, like story, I think that's probably

probably one of the more cinematic stories that they could tell.

Yeah.

Cause it's about a guy like taking over and like uniting the kingdoms.

Um, and like, you know, Warner Brothers, HBO, like this is one of their big IPs.

And I think they're like, oh, well, we got to keep, it's kind of like how they're trying

to revive Harry Potter.

Cause it's like, that's one of their big template, you know, we built the whole ride for

it.

We got, we have a Hogwarts bike over there.

Yeah.

And especially with the like response to Knights of the Seven Kingdoms, they're like,

Oh, okay.

People still care about this world is still important to us as an IP.

Well, this is, they're building out their Star Trek, right?

Like, you know, they, they want Game of Thrones to be something where you can take a character

like Dunk, you know, who doesn't, no one really knows, you know, like, and just tell a

good story around that character.

One of the things that surprised me about Andor, cause I remember when Andor was announced

being like, they're going to do two seasons of a TV show based on that guy from Rogue

One, you know, like, yeah, and then I absolutely loved it.

Yeah.

Um, you know, and so I trust Bo Willemann to put story before lore, you know, and to

have it be character driven and also probably like relevant in some way, you know, about

the consolidation of power and the promise and perils thereof, you know, um, so that's,

that this is, this is to me, good news.

You know, it's very early on.

It could go through development hell.

I might never see the light today.

Who knows?

But I'm, I'm optimistic.

I like that.

Yeah.

I like the, the biggest meta question is like, yeah, after Warner Brothers, what was

that?

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Thank you, Spidey sense.

Thank you.

Uh, Spidey sense.

Spidey sense.

Sorry.

Spidey sense.

Oh, I just realized that's probably the pun.

It's a Spidey sense.

Spidey sense.

Spidey sense.

Yeah.

Okay.

Uh, anyway, yeah.

Like with Warner Brothers going to be merged with Paramounts or we'll see, uh, that's

another question.

Like is this movie even going to come out?

Because there's so much stuff they need to like figure out first.

It'll come out.

It'll come out.

I mean, one of the things Paramount claims it's going to do is put out 30 movies a year.

True.

And if you take the TV budget of like three episodes of a Game of Thrones show, that could

be like a character driven movie.

Like, yeah, you shoot that in Romania or like, you know, Belgrade or something like that.

Like, you can make those dollars.

I think they're going to, yeah, they're going to milk Game of Thrones until it's truly

proven.

Yeah.

You're not be worth it.

Yes.

And that has not been the case so far.

That's fair enough.

Yeah, fair enough.

Yeah.

Juice is worth the squeeze.

Oh, yeah.

Okay.

Well, let's get into, uh, the trailer troll.

We've had since the last time the three of us, uh, did a headline show.

We've had roughly 2,000 trailers come out.

I think we had a bunch last week that came out that we covered on the rock stars, but

we didn't get a chance to get out over here.

And, um, moments before we started taping the final trailer for Super Mario Galaxy.

Good job.

It came out.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

We're already getting news from the chat.

Uh, Louise Guzman as, uh, wort, which is a deep cut.

We're cut.

I'm, okay.

That's a deep cut.

I brought this up before in like a previous headlines, but they're putting so much into

this Mario movie.

There's a lot.

But I'm, I'm getting a little worried.

Yeah.

It's too much.

But somebody who's saying we've got, uh, Donald Glover is Yoshi.

Wait.

Is that real?

I don't know.

I don't know.

We gets dances BB.

You know, where it's, like, yeah.

Okay, You know?

What?

Like, ehm, like a dawn cheeto Ducktale thing where he has like, uh, definitely a wild boast.

Right right.

There's the real Bois.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

If she has like a real Bois, which is Donald Glover, maybe, I don't know.

I will find out.

So we're going to watch through a bunch of trailers.

We will get to, uh, Super Mario Galaxy, uh, movie trailer, shortly, but let's start with

the boys.

Boys is going into its final season, season five,

which will cap off sort of the home lander saga

along with the two seasons of Gen B.

We've seen so far, no news yet

as to whether or not we've got a Gen B, season three incoming.

I'm skeptical.

I like this show.

It was based on if people would have watched season two.

Yeah, so I don't know if they did.

Yeah, so I hope they do.

But okay, so let's check out the trailer

for the boys, season five.

All right, that's their devil, but I will not be playing that.

We can switch it.

No, let's do boys.

Okay.

Okay, pretty sure those are Charlie Cox's tiny feet.

Is that impressive?

I mean, this is a classic.

Forget to put a halo around his head.

Yeah, man.

I forget that butcher has this like super cancer still.

Yeah, super cancer.

Right, there's no way to do it.

It is the cancer.

Cannotically.

You like it, Friday?

You talk.

Feet.

The fact that I've come around on a gun I'm blanking on his name, fast man, atron.

The fact that I've come around on atron is such a testament to the writing and the acting

on this show.

Yeah.

I should take that care through and through.

And I'm like, man, this guy got used by bought the same as everyone else, you know, but

yeah, I'm so stoked for this.

I think that trailer really works for me.

I think it's going to be fun as hell.

Yeah.

I'm thinking about home lander trying to become immortal.

Yeah.

And I'm scared.

But also home lander is just in general scary.

Yes, he's so terrifying.

Yeah.

So I hopefully they don't let him do that.

I do wonder like this was actually brought up on the sneak peek episode.

So if you guys want to check out that, we have Eric and Jess's opinion on this as well.

But like, since the whole thing is that he's trying to be immortal, like, I wonder if

they're going to make it so that he wins, like, and it's going to be a kind of more, like,

how tragic are they going to make this story?

Is it going to be like, oh my god, it's a good thing?

Because they want to continue this world as well, there's a kind of incentive to make

it so that it doesn't like end here.

Well, it's interesting that like the continuations we know of that are confirmed.

Like we know a project, or generation, what's the, what's the, what's the, the World

War?

What to one with?

Yeah.

Iacash and soldier boy.

That one is, what rising, I got there eventually.

And then we've heard stuff about the boy's Mexico, but we don't know if that's confirmed

when that's said.

Yeah, I don't know.

I don't know if it has movements.

Yeah, I don't know.

So it's, it's possible that they're continuing this world by kind of going, yes, who

is this?

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I've been Pavloved into the sound of the pomp of this anytime we get a Twitch sound.

But you know, I wonder if they're like, yeah, hey, we're done now.

All the other stories are going to be in the past, like, you know, in the same world leading

up to it.

I don't know that that's the case.

Period stuff is very expensive to produce, very difficult, but that is one option.

Yeah, I think regardless, I'm super excited for like whatever final battle that's going

to have.

It's going to be like, it's a war with like all of homelanders guys and then all of the

boys guys.

This be the final season, they're going to go like all the balls of the wall.

Oh, yeah.

And, you know, I got to say, I bet when they first started making this series, they weren't

aware of how relevant all of this is going to be in like our real world.

Yeah, I mean, Eric Cryptey has flat out gone like, no, we were just telling the story of

homelander, like, it just kind of reality caught up to us.

We didn't think this far ahead.

I almost think like reality caught up, but then reality likes to pass on the show.

And so it's like, it's almost past that era of like, oh my god, this is so like, it's

almost like, this is so 2021.

If homelander just like, I don't know, kidnapped the president of Venezuela, we'd be like,

tame.

Oh, tame.

You know, like, it's, it wouldn't really, I don't, yeah, I don't know if I agree, like,

it's still super shocking in that.

No, we are, this is the boys.

We are in the boys.

Yeah, we are the boys.

I think the boys is both at its strongest and at its weakness when it's going for like

the edge lord shock humor because like, that's the times it's the most fun.

That's also the times when it runs the highest risk of feeling a little bit like immature,

you know, like, where's a grown man I'm watching it going like, come on, do I have to see

another penis explode this week?

Yeah, never.

But, but ultimately for me, that's a nitpick.

I really love the show.

I think the storytelling and the writing of the fucking acting has been so good, so consistent

across the boys in Gen V.

Yeah.

Yeah, you know, and I'm really excited for the final season.

Yeah.

Same.

There's going to be a lot of loose ends that are hopefully being tied up that I'm excited

to see.

Uh, like, what is Sage's end plan here?

Is she going to just like, yeah, let's just make homelander immortal?

No, but I don't know.

I didn't have that.

That doesn't feel right because she wants the power.

She's only using it.

Yeah.

Homelander thinks he's going to get immortal if he gets V1.

You know, it's kind of a Star Wars power of two thing.

Oh, sure.

But also like, the apprentice always overcomes the master.

That's true.

And the sit.

Yeah, maybe.

Yeah.

I don't know.

Maybe the chances are Sage shows up with a red light saber at some point.

Yeah.

I don't know how she's going to freaking.

She really is able to finesse a lot of things with no powers besides just being smart.

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Okay, let's move on to our next trailer.

Our next trailer we're going to look at is the lanterns trailer, which, you know, to

the effect that DC's TV efforts have laid have been like, well, you know, the penguin

was basically DC leaning into the sopranos.

It feels sure shit like the lanterns is DC leaning into true detectives.

So let's watch the trailer and then I will save the rest of my thoughts for afterwards.

I mean, there's no other regga medially.

I do like they just cut to this because they presumably he used the powers.

Yeah, he did some, but they're just not showing us in the trailers.

If you didn't know, this was a superhero story.

The trailer would not fill you in on it until like the very end.

I also love how open the animosity is like, that's the only moment in the entire trailer.

I mean, you've got the, yeah, yeah, I'm the only hero in their aliens.

Oh, it's a fucking squirrel.

Now, let's start with the most obvious talking points squirrels are not aliens.

I know a lot of people say that.

A lot of people think that they are rodents.

That's a different thing.

I do believe that the squirrel he's referring to is an alien.

Oh, okay.

But like, but um, actually, it's an alien squirrel, yeah, we got mammal facts to come back.

But yeah, I mean, again, like, I don't know if I'm just like in a trailer mood,

but like that trailer is fucking great to me, you know, like I, I love that we just don't,

it doesn't feel like a superhero thing at all.

It just feels like a crime story, you know, you know, you're kind of on the hot take

end of that spectrum in terms of the gen pop think of it.

What's gen pop say that where's the grain who cares and that and also it's kind of tired,

like the dynamic between how and what does the name store John Stewart, like where it's like

the younger character needs to earn his right to the powers or the whatever,

um, as well as the color, they are the, the gen C is upset about the color like that.

It's all kind of muted.

There's no green.

Like, where is the green?

Yeah, right.

Where is the green?

Where are their powers?

They were going to find it by the end of the season, but it's like also like that's what

Ryan Reynolds movie is for, you know, if you're really looking, right, right, right, right.

Yeah, who's the big warthog Green Lantern?

I always forget his name.

You know, the one I'm talking about is I think I do know, yeah, um, but no, I liked it.

I think my dad's going to like it.

Sure.

I think it's giving, it's giving HBO, like true detective.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Dads are going to love it.

And as well as not dads, you don't have to be a dad, but it's just giving that aesthetic.

And I feel like that's who the trailer is referring to scoop the scoop ball, uh, 0 420.

Kill a log.

Thank you.

Yes.

Yes.

Yeah.

I mean, I think for me, you know, when I think back to the, the, the parts of superhero TV

shows that I have felt the most like let down by or like the least excited about, you

know, I look at something like the, the, the, the last, it's always like the last episode

of like a Wanda vision or an Agatha where it's like, hey, and, and now we have these characters

who have these crazy powers and it's just shooting bolts of energy at one another as

if we couldn't come up with anything more clever than just gunplay, you know, as opposed

to like the third act of Dr. Strange when he's, uh, fighting Dormammu and it's this like

weird thing.

It's a lot more creative.

And so with, um, this lanterns trailer for me, I'm like, yeah, great, don't, don't focus

it around the powers, don't focus it around the superhero stuff, focus it around like,

hey, there's this like interpersonal tension.

We have to deal with this thing in this town.

There's people don't want us here.

We're outsiders like that, that feels like a meteor way to drive a story.

And then the superhero stuff comes in as like a little bit of a tasty spice eating on

it.

Yeah.

That's my take.

That's my take.

No, I think that's super valid.

And I feel like that's probably what is going to end up happening.

Yeah.

But also there's like, um, Nathan Phillian's going to be in it.

I think Sinestro's going to be in it.

Yeah.

There's still going to be like all of that DC stuff, which will be good.

I just think the trailer maybe didn't need, like that's not what they were going for

with this trailer.

No, no, no, no, no.

Um, because I think they have to trick people a little bit because I feel like Green Lantern

itself is a little muddied, just as a brand.

Well, the Ryan Reynolds one was, yeah, but yeah, and there's no, yeah, that's the only

one.

That's the only one.

Even in the, even in the comics, you know, uh, I was never like a big green, green

lantern reader.

I was aware of Green Lantern, but like, there's been so many that it's, it's not as like,

well, they're Superman.

You know, it's like, well, no, I am Green Lantern, but I'm a different Green Lantern.

You know, like, it feels like this is a nice way in for people who might not already

be pretty steeped in things.

Yeah.

I think it's a good entry point.

Yeah.

For sure.

For sure.

Like, I think that's what's a little bit, uh, at least for me, a kind of confusing is

that we know that like other lanterns are going to be in here and even like Sinestro as

like a yellow lantern.

They can't bring those characters in without really using the powers.

Oh, yeah.

So I find it, I do find it a little interesting that the trailers didn't show basically any

of it.

And I guess it is to bring in like the, the, the normy group.

I can, I can understand why like fans of the franchise are like, it feels like there

may be a little bit ashamed of the, like, it's the X-Men era, like 2000s era hero where

it's like, there's a little bit of a shame with the just, we can't put the spandex on.

Yeah, exactly.

It's like that where I think as nerds who love IP, they're like, just be, just do IP.

At the same time, I think it's smart to try to capture a wider audience than just the

fans.

Sure.

This is what they're trying to do.

It's like, oh, this is going to be interesting, even if you don't care about like superheroes,

this will be interesting.

Yeah.

And there's always going to be a disconnect with that.

But this is like a side tangent, but I was just for fun kind of like researching like

the Wii era of like Nintendo.

And I, I got Rex for you, my friend.

Oh, sure.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Please, please.

I don't need to cut you.

No, you're good.

The, what I forgot in retrospect, like, thinking, looking back was core gamers actually

hated the Wii.

Yeah.

And I totally forgot that's what happened because I love the Wii.

Lack of controls.

Exactly.

Yeah, yeah.

It was the fact that like, what is this?

This isn't for gamers.

This is like a toy for like regular people and they're pissed, but it created like a huge

new generation.

Yeah.

Who loves games.

Yeah, yeah.

So I think that's like kind of what they're trying to go for.

I think, you know, one of the, one of the things with the Wii specifically as a, as a platform

of what Nintendo, Nintendo has always been into like having some weird thing, you know,

like, is it Yokoi Gunpei?

I believe who invented the Game Boy, like in the light zapper, like, he, his sort of history

before he started working with Nintendo was working in these like, you know, like Lace

for Arena's invented game and watch.

Nintendo really has this DNA of like, let's do something weird first and it doesn't always

work.

Sometimes you get the virtual boy, you know, we're the Wii U, which was like awful, you

know.

But with the Wii, they very specifically were like, look, we can't compete with PS3 on

graphics.

We're going to try to, we're going to try to do something that's like a little bit more

novel.

Really kind of, can we finally deliver on the promise of the power glove 20 years later?

You know, and they did.

But with green lanterns or with lanterns, not even green lanterns, you know, one thing

I've been thinking about a lot lately with Road to Doomsday and Doomsday, by the way,

check out Road to Doomsday anywhere you find your podcasts, is like, you know, what is

the entry point?

At this point, Marvel's been going in really strong for almost 20 years.

There's a whole generation of people for whom like, Marvel's just been a constant background

buzz in their immediate diet, their entire lives, as opposed to us where it was like, well

not, I was like already a full-fledged adult when Iron Man came out.

It was like, here's an entry point, Thor's an entry point, Captain America's an entry

point in a way that is different from something like Thunderbolts or, you know, certainly like

breaking the world.

And so I like seeing these entry points for new fans.

And I feel like the DCU needs an entry point, because this is not the first, not James

Gunn, like directed thing, like besides peacemaker, you know what I mean?

Yeah, I think so.

Yeah.

I know like Supergirl, but that's like future.

But yeah, and that'll be out, but it's like, that still feels like a James Gunn.

I know it's all, he's managing it, but it's like, I feel like the writing team is really

good.

And so it'll be, I feel like it's a real test to can they pull off having an entry point

to just new people that might have not even seen Superman or over Marvel.

Yeah, and I'm always going to go back to the penguin, which is like, man, if you'd never

heard of Batman somehow, right, you've been living under a rock, you've never heard

of Batman.

And someone just showed you the penguin, you'd be like, this is a good show.

Yeah.

I want more of this.

And then you'd go see Batman, you know, and like, I'm all on board for that.

I think we're going for the Taylor Sheridan crowd.

Oh, yeah.

That's why do you have?

Why don't you have a guitar?

Why don't you have a guitar?

Why don't you have a guitar?

Why don't you have a guitar?

Why don't you have Kyle Chandler?

Like, you know what I mean?

Like, they even put a shot of a football field in just to be like, yeah, guy on the horse

for no reason.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Interesting.

But you know what, Taylor Sheridan shows people off there.

They do bank.

Yeah.

They do bank.

So, not my bank, but someone's bank.

All right.

Let's move on.

We got one more trailer last week that had a bunch of kick ass stuff in it.

Daredevil Board, again, season two is coming very soon.

We're just a couple of weeks away from the premiere.

And we got another trailer, Brian Hittit.

Yeah.

I think it was a TV spot though.

Yeah.

It was a little shorter.

There's some new stuff in there.

Does it've gotten so out of hand?

My girl.

Can you stop him?

Oh my god.

I'm so mad.

I am so excited that Kristen Ritter's back as Jessica Jones.

I thought for me that was, I thought Jessica Jones season one was like a phenomenal season

of TV.

And did a really great job adapting Alien specifically.

Yeah.

Who was it?

Yeah.

I don't know.

What do you guys thoughts on Daredevil?

The season was kind of like mixed back for a lot of people.

But this trailer, I think it was like super hype and a lot of, I think they were like really

sure, I'm like, this is going to be action.

It's going to be like a lot of like fun moments.

And I think the choice to use Lithuania, Lithuania, Lithuania, Lithuania, Lithuania.

Lithuania is a place.

Lithuania is a place.

Lithuania is a place.

Yeah.

It's a pretty inspired choice because it's a newer song, but it kind of mimics the vibe

of like 2000s era pop punk where it's like, oh, this is a new version of what you remember

feeling and like that era of music.

This is Daredevil.

It's a new Daredevil, but you'll get the same feeling as you were watching in Netflix

Daredevil.

Yeah.

I mean, Donald Glover graduated college the same year I did.

No way he didn't like have an emotional response to Blink 182 when he was 18 when we were

all over TRL.

Yeah.

Abby, what about you?

Well, I actually thought that trailer, that TV spot was a terribly edited TV.

Oh, give us the airs perspective.

No, I just hated the sound cues and the end.

I didn't like the mix of the music.

Anyway.

Wow.

Wow.

The technical takedown.

Yeah.

That's my take.

And now I got distracted by my actual thoughts on it.

I just, I don't know, Daredevil born again is kind of like, yeah, to me.

I have seen all of the Netflix shows and they were always like fine.

Sure.

And then I feel like it, the show is kind of the little engine that could in terms of

like, wow, that's really, I don't even know if it's the little engine that could.

It's almost just like, Kevin Feige being like, here, like, here you go.

It's the exact opposite of lanterns in terms of entry point.

Yes.

Oh, sure.

It's kind of bogged down and like, they like, even

backtracked on, oh, don't worry, you don't have to have watched the Netflix shows.

And they have only ever like dug deeper into the Netflix lore.

And like, it's every time it's like good, it's great.

And every time it's bad, it's just like boring, which is a travesty.

Tough.

Yeah.

And so I'm excited and I'm like, hopeful, but it just feels like even if it is amazing,

no one's going to care.

That's my take.

I don't know.

I just feel like I'm excited for Jessica Jones and I'm hoping that like, I'm excited for

her.

I don't necessarily need like Danny Rand Iron Fist, like running around soon, or like Luke,

I would like Luke Cage, like, um, was it a culture, like, um, but that show was uneven

to me.

The first half of that show was really good as first half of a season one was really

good.

And then it kind of goes.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

And so what once we lost my hair shall I wait?

Yeah.

And so I don't know.

It just, I've always been very like, like, hit or miss with that little subsection of

the MCU.

Yeah.

Um, and honestly, maybe I still just have PTSD from having to edit the reactions last

season.

That I'm like, uh, what do you, I don't think we're doing that.

But again, I don't know unless you guys want it.

Oh, true.

And I'll edit it.

I will happily edit them.

Um, the sound mix, right?

You better.

Yeah.

I know.

Um, but yeah.

No, I just, I don't even know.

I didn't really have coherent thoughts about it.

I'm just like, we'll see what happens.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, I think it's fair to be like skeptical of like the where they're going, but because

I am of two minds of, you're right, they're like them going back to what was like Netflix

stuff, like really digging their heels in does make this a lot harder to approach to like

the average person.

Yeah.

Especially the time where Marvel needs more people to like come in.

And so maybe sorry to call you off, it's going to be one of the only consistent Marvel

TV shows.

And I feel like, I don't know about you, a lot of people who watch the Netflix shows did

not watch Daredevil born again.

Oh, sure.

You know, well, I as someone who watched the Netflix shows and started watching Daredevil

born again.

Why didn't you finish the quality was all over the place, you know, there was a lot of

behind the scene stuff and that stuff, I think part of what makes me optimistic, not

quite excited, but optimistic for season two is a lot of that stuff was very frankly and

publicly acknowledged by the execs in a way that you don't always see.

You know, like, yeah, to the point of like after season one came out, there was kind of

like this apology to our era of press from Marvel, they were like, we get it.

We get it, you know, like, and so I'm hoping that that season two is them going, here's

the show we wanted to make because I think the show they wanted to make was better than

the show.

It was, yeah.

And so maybe it'll be okay and we'll all be happy.

I mean, the action looks good.

I feel like that's when it's, that's what people want.

Yeah.

I just want to see Daredevil.

Give me more hallway fight.

Do we not in a hallway?

That's all we want.

Doing this.

Yes.

Yeah.

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Okay, well, Ryan, if you are ready on the tech side, I think that we are ready to move

on to the final trailer for the Super Mario Galaxy movie, which dropped like I think

right when we started this stream.

So none of us have watched it yet.

Let's go into it cold, right?

I feel like every time I'm on break room, there's another Mario trailer.

There's another Mario trailer.

I have to talk about it.

I'm like, that's shy guy right there.

Oh my god, that's shy guy.

He's so shy.

Okay, it's the eye of Aldani.

Yoshi.

Starbeats.

It's Glossier Day.

Yeah.

Did that tone just start?

Yeah.

Oh my god, they're drowning.

It's feeling very 9-11 so far.

I mean, I'm just...

Yoshi's in this scene.

I think he was like, kind of edited out.

Yeah.

When they're first in the original version.

Yeah, they're showing.

Okay, that's getting relevant.

Right.

Oh, the giant flower is...

Maybe there's a gusty garden.

Oh, I think that was...

Yeah.

That's work.

Oh, yeah.

He's running the casinos.

Okay.

Oh my god, what is this movie?

Keith of the Wahoo.

Was that a ticket on sale trailer?

This is the final trailer.

So it might be...

Oh?

Oh.

Okay, all right.

I was wondering.

It is a...

Gotta get my tickets.

Yeah.

Gotta go get it right now.

This has been the most galaxy of the trailer.

Yeah, the last one was straight up Odyssey.

Yeah.

But yeah, this one's very galaxy.

Yeah.

Wart seems like he's gonna be like a brief cameo.

Maybe like a cranky Kong level sort of appearance for this film.

But Louise Guzman is fantastic casting from Wart.

That's great.

And I guess Donald Glover is Yoshi?

I don't know if that...

I guess you don't know yet.

Who said that?

I heard...

Someone said it in a Twitch chat.

And Twitch never lies.

Uh...

Was that facts?

Is it facts?

Twitch chat, please.

Feed me lies.

I will read them.

That's the lesson, actually.

Say anything you want.

Tell me lies.

Tell me sweet little lies.

Yeah.

I mean, it looks fun.

It does feel like there's so much going on, you know?

Like...

Which...

The trailers can kind of make any movie feel that way if they want to.

Oh, Christian Unpronounceable is saying they saw it in a tweet.

I'm saying this is Meg 510 saying Donald Glover is Yoshi is equivalent to Vin Diesel as Groot.

That's...

You know what I'm saying?

Spot on.

Spot on.

I just can't imagine Donald Glover like making those noises.

I mean, he's...

He's a goofy guy.

He's a goofy dude.

He's a goofy guy.

You do Yoshi.

You're...

Yoshi.

Oh my gosh.

Yoshi.

Yeah.

I can't do that.

Yeah.

I mean, Donald Glover was a comedy dude before he was a hip-hop star and like, you know,

Uber artist.

I just can't imagine like men with like deep registers like doing the Yoshi voice.

Oh, wow.

Hang on.

Hang on.

We have deep voices.

Yeah.

You guys watched New Season of Yellowstone?

Oh my God.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, for me, the main thing this movie makes me want to do is go home and play Mario

Tennis Fever.

That's so funny.

It's...

You know, like, I'm just like...

That's all the games?

Well, it's just the newest one.

Oh, that...

I heard Daisy's sick or dead.

What?

And...

He's dead?

Who's dead?

In the game.

In the tennis.

In the tennis.

She's like sick.

Did I spoil it for you?

I...

I don't think...

I have not run into any ailing characters.

I've seen a screenshot of a character in bed.

Oh, it's interesting.

And she's like dead.

I don't remember if it's, like, petr or Daisy.

Oh, weird.

No.

I learned it into that.

I've just been doing, like, the weirdo, like, tournament mode.

Where it's, like, get these ring scores.

Maybe it's in the story mode.

Did you play story mode?

Uh, no.

I've played story mode.

I've done a couple of tournaments.

I've done one of those hours.

I've done a couple of tournaments.

I've done one of those hours.

I learned it first.

I learned it first.

I learned it first.

Yeah, yeah.

And switch to...

But, yeah, it just...

Because, you know, my fundamental connection with the Mario games is playing them.

Truth.

So, like, to watch one, I'm always a little bit...

Like, I can feel my thumbs twitching.

I know.

I'm more where you are, Brian.

I'm a little stressed.

Why is there so many things happening?

I'm sure...

Yeah, I'm sure...

I'm sure it has a three-act structure.

But you can also spread this, you know?

You can spread Mario pretty thin.

Yeah.

Chris Pratt...

He'll be around, you know?

And, like, we don't...

It almost feels like a lot for a sequel.

Sure.

It feels like a movie that they didn't know if they were

gonna be another one.

So, they're like...

Yeah, throw it off.

War...

War...

I wonder if there is, like, a behind-the-scenes legal wrangling to be, like, we put this character

in a film we get the rights for 20 years, and the sooner we lock that down, the sooner

we later...

And then they wanted to do, like, that character well...

Yeah, because Nintendo's famously, like, very protective of its IP, you know?

Yeah.

So, I could see, you know, they waited forever to make a Mario movie after the good one.

Um...

Right, you have...

Mario movie.

As everyone's favorite.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm like...

What's interesting is that...

I mentioned this already.

The fact that they went straight to Galaxy, to me, has always been weird, because they

had to, like, proper structure...

Or they already have a structure in the games of, like, Mario, Mario Land, Mario World,

and then Galaxy, and then Odyssey, and, like, there's these, like...

It built up pretty, like, gradually.

But the fact they went straight to Galaxy, and then stuffed Mario 2 stuff.

Stuffed Galaxy or Odyssey stuff put in, uh, because things from all kinds of Mario's

into this one...

Yeah.

Feels, like, a lot.

That being said, you know, not to be a contrarian, but, like, watching this trailer actually

did make me feel, like, it was going to be not as confusing, because I think all the

extra stuff is going to be front-loaded in the first, like, intro, because, like, I didn't

know...

Yeah.

Yoshi's in the, like, fight against Bowser's dude.

It seems like he's, like, right there from the jump.

Yeah, he's already in the castle while the, like, Galaxy stuff is happening, because the

other trailers made it seem, like, thank you for that.

Yes!

It sounds like...

Mario.

But it sounds like Mario.

The other trailers made it seem, like, the Yoshi aspect to the world, the Odyssey aspects

were much bigger.

Yeah.

But this trailer makes it feel like, oh, Yoshi's going to be introduced and all that stuff

is going to be first, like, 10 minutes, and then all the other stuff.

Yeah.

And even the casino stuff, it's, like, the, this, what is, like, the mid-boss?

He's, like, in the middle where they, like, I guess, kind of, like, Donkey Kong in the

first movie, or Donkey Kong was, kind of, like, the middle-boss.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then something happens in the tackle Bowser.

Do you think this third one's going to be Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games?

And if we get a Mario, Sonic collab in the movies, that would be actually crazy.

Like, who, who, who, who is Sonic Movie under?

I forget.

Kare Mount.

Oh, so.

No, yeah, because Mario's a little busy.

It's very little busy.

Yeah, very little busy.

We're a little busy.

Mario Movie One made a lot.

I feel like it did really well.

Oh yeah.

You shouldn't have been confident in this one.

But also, part of the third one, the, again, like, every character you put into this movie

becomes a thousand plushies and needles, you know, you cancel.

Yeah.

Like, they are just, um, I think, I think that's part of it.

And for me, really, really what I want,

I want the plot of Super Mario World

where you're like in the donut kingdom

and you got all the different airships.

Ludwig's there, you know, like I just want to,

like I want to meet all Bowser's weird fail suns, you know,

like so, you know, I'm doing my best to remain optimistic.

I didn't like the first one as much as you two did,

I don't think so.

I mean, I enjoyed it.

I saw it opening night and I haven't thought about it

until every time I'm sitting in this place.

In that chair, yeah.

And you guys make me watch a trailer,

but I enjoy my Mario movie.

Yeah, outings.

This is a kind of a meta thought I was thinking

of generally speaking, is movies,

do movies need to be good movies anymore?

And what I mean by that is.

That's a really big question.

Short answer, yeah, but not to make money.

I guess that's the big thing.

It's also a different discussion when it comes to like

children aimed content.

Well, maybe we should jump ahead to the Pete Doctor stuff of it

if this is the direction.

Sure, the combo is going.

And so, so this is this is the segue.

I have something in the script,

but I'm gonna, I'm gonna do it live.

So, you know, Brian's asking like,

do movies need to be good movies?

And Brian, I don't want to put words in your mouth,

but like, you know, do they,

do they kind of need to have like resonant themes?

Does the story need to be really moving?

Or do they just need to be, you know, what,

what George Oral will call like, pro feed, you know,

and just kind of like slop to just keep people in seats

for a while.

One of the big things this week is Pete Doctor gay.

And this, I'll turn it back over to Brian momentarily,

because I just want to get the wording on this, right?

Pete Doctor, who is the Chief Creative Officer of Pixar,

he directed Monsters Inc. up inside out.

He gave an interview with the Wall Street Journal

this weekend where he sort of outlined

some broad cultural shifts he's overseeing at the company.

The article has a lot of specifics.

If we have time, we will get into those,

particularly about changes Pete Doctor's attitudes

are changing to a race,

or otherwise tone down overtly queer themes

in Pixar movies.

There's more specifics, but this quote I pulled,

because I think it sums up pretty broadly,

Pete Doctor's position, and then Brian,

we can tie this back into your combo.

Doctor said that Pixar found some parents

didn't want entertainment to force them to have a conversation.

They weren't ready for what their children.

Then he said, quote, we're making a movie,

not hundreds of millions of dollars of therapy.

End quote.

So, Brian, back to you with like,

you know, does a movie need to be good?

I would say from a studio's point of view,

I think a movie needs to be good.

Me, Berg, I think a movie needs to be good.

I'm not a filmmaker.

Yeah.

From a studio's point of view, it needs to be profitable.

Yeah.

You know, so what, how's that make you feel, huh?

I think that's stupid,

and we should only look for profits.

We are a company.

No, the thing I think is most interesting

about a lot of these art forms in general,

and I had this thought about video games as well.

Yeah, sure.

It's like the balance between these media as an art form

and as a form of entertainment.

And does a business I would throw in.

And as a business where, you know,

the opportunity for art exists,

like to create something that means something

that people exist.

At the same time, I think, you know,

I think it was in Martin Scorsese

who used to call it the Avenger movies

or the Marvel movies like roller coasters.

They're like rides and movies.

I think that's a thing to be like considered.

Like these movies, the Mario movies,

like Fly Nice of Freddy's even.

Like I know that there's a little bit of controversy

like if it's a good movie or not,

but it's like a movie where you point,

like, oh my god, I recognize all that stuff.

Yeah.

And that's, it brings the fans in.

The movies can sustain itself

with just like pure entertainment.

So I think that's like an interesting thing to ask.

I guess it's like, what's the goal of these people?

Is it to create cultural moments

or is it just a great movie or money?

Money.

Which, if that's the goal.

You should watch the studio first of all.

Okay.

No, I think that's like a valid like concern

and it's like really sweet

that you like care about the art like that.

But like that's not where we live right now

where it's like people are trying to make money

and every movie release is feels very like world

and dean potential of like, oh, if this movie doesn't succeed,

we won't get 10 versions of this over the next 10 years.

Or if this does, now like Barbie comes out,

everyone put in a Barbie movie,

type movie into development.

Like Top Gun Maverick comes out,

everyone's trying to find their like,

white down movie, you know, it's like,

but every other time it's like,

they need to make money because people,

every time that like that is thing flops,

people are less willing to go to a theater.

People are less willing to buy a video game,

especially when you're charging that much for that much money.

You know, I don't know,

if that even answers what you were saying.

No, that's what I say the exact opposite to you there.

I mean, for me, you know,

I love many minds on it.

On the one hand, like I want movies to be

an art form that like continues.

I think, I think movies, you know,

y'all know me, I play a lot of video games.

You know, like these are art forms

that have potential for truly transcendent moments.

You know, like I think of, you know,

the end of last of us, the first game,

like when I played that, like was deeply affecting.

Same studio, the Uncharted games, those are roller coasters, you know?

And I read a great quote,

someone had asked a media studies professor

what his favorite movie was.

And he said, I can't answer that

because it depends what kind of mood I get, you know?

Like there is no one solid answer.

And so to Brian's point, like does a movie need to be good?

What good means is really subjective.

You know, like it means something very different to,

you know, to like my daughter and her friends,

if they're like, hey, we're gonna go see a movie

as a group of people, like chicken jockey is a cultural moment.

Yeah, maybe in a different way

into a different subset of the population

than something like one battle after another.

I happen to prefer one battle after another,

but I'm not everybody and it's good that I'm not, you know?

Like Abby mentioned, white dad movies.

We've got plenty of those, you know?

Like speaking as a white dad,

my people have no shortage of representation

or entertainment, you know?

I think it just depends on like to answer your question

the goal of the people making the movie.

Yeah.

And sometimes not even the goal of the people making the movie,

the people financing the movie,

people releasing the movie.

Yeah, I mean, the thing I go back to is like,

there's a Neil Gaiman is a piece of trash

and I hesitate to cite anything from Sandman,

which even before he was a piece of trash

was wildly overrated.

But there's a one off in the second or third like graphic novel

or a trade paperback of Sandman

where it's Shakespeare with all the like fairies and pixies

from Mid-Summer Night's Dream, putting on a production of it.

And there's a panel in it where one of the young actors,

you know, brings a pie.

Yes, we got a one.

OK, meant five, 10.

Subscribe for 16 months saying not to interrupt

this thoughtful conversation, but you did.

And we thank you for doing so, Megan.

Get her up to all you want.

Interrupt it all you want.

But so this actor brings the director of the theater troop

a pie and he's like, hey, I thought

it'd be really funny from the second act I sat on the pie.

I thought that would get a laugh.

And the director is like, yeah, it would get a laugh.

That doesn't make it good art, you know?

And so are we like just sitting on pies

or are we trying to make Mid-Summer Night's Dream, you know?

And I think for certainly for the Ellisons

and the Zazlobs of the world, like, you know,

you can look at WB's recent, very recent history

and be like, hey, they don't care

whether or not Supergirl was a good movie

or even if anyone saw it, you know?

Like, they don't care if Coyote vs. Acme was actually

like good art, they were able to make more money shelving it.

Yeah, right.

And if they're looking at a movie that's already made

with an IP like Wiley Coyote, you know?

And they're going to shelve it.

That's where the money comes from.

They don't care whether or not the movie's good.

I think they should.

I think it's bad to not care if the movie's good.

But I think that's kind of where it is, unfortunately.

Yeah, I think another, this is another side effect

that I'd even consider about media companies getting this big.

You know, the idea that a movie has to make

like hundreds of millions of dollars

to be considered successful is a pretty new phenomenon.

We movies used to make like tens of millions

and be like, wow, that's a great movie.

And that was pretty successful.

But now it has to make hundreds of millions,

a close to a billion.

Otherwise, it's like a commercial failure.

And I think that's because companies have become so big

that there's so much expense

that they do need that much money to survive.

Back in the day, companies were like,

wait, there's so many more small companies.

I mean, 824, as kind of big,

they don't make huge amounts of money.

They make a pretty good amount of money.

But it's like about, I feel like the same amount of money

as an old studio back in the day.

But they're a smaller company.

A company like Disney, unless you're raking in

as much as the entertainment side is

or the parks side is, unless you're making as much

as these other branches, it doesn't make sense

to keep going.

It's kind of like another random metaphor

is like Nvidia, where right now they're an AI company.

They used to make GPUs for gamers.

That is so small now that they basically stop doing that.

Yes.

And so in the same way.

That's really just the AI people are buying up

all the GPUs that were made for gamers, yeah.

So in that way, if the movie side of Disney

isn't making almost billions of dollars,

they're gonna have to reconsider that stuff.

Yeah.

I think one parallel you can look at too

is like in video games, the video game industry,

if you play, you know.

But the video game industry dwarfs the film industry

in terms of revenue every year.

It's not even close.

You add up film, TV, music, video games

is still more than double in that.

And we've seen a lot of similar consolidation in games.

And a lot of the equivalent of going

for the big blockbuster movie in games

has been since Fortnite came out.

Everybody wants their massively multiplayer online shooter

that is someone's forever game

that they're gonna play for a decade, you know.

And recently a game came out trying to do that

called High Guard, you know.

And it failed pretty spectacularly.

And there's been a lot of discussion

if you read sites like gamesindustry.biz,

which is sort of like a public facing trade journal basically.

There's a lot of discussion over like,

hey, is that model broken?

And so do movies need to be good in this model?

No, but maybe some of the creative people

who make movies can think of a better model, you know.

Like we have different distribution platforms now.

And the same way that when the week came out,

the Nintendo eShop enabled a whole new generation

of indie games through that more massively

democratized distribution model.

Same way in the olden days,

Twitter democratized news reporting.

Maybe we can see something similar

in the next five to 10 years with the film industry.

I think that'd be great.

Um, will we or will it become a dead medium

like the opera or ballet?

Oh, let's go to show me.

Let's go to show me.

Um, so yeah, you've all heard Timothy,

shall may talk about how opera and ballet are on the outs.

Um, we have a clip here that someone put together on Twitter.

I wish I had written down the name of the person

where they're showing him saying this over the years.

Brian, roll the clip.

I started getting sent to me using opera and ballet.

He loves bringing this line, man.

He loves his opera line.

And they're like,

we're calling my name,

we grew up backstage and I don't know

if we're working in ballet or opera or...

Is that it?

I keep this thing alive.

No, I have to say something.

I'll respect to the ballet and opera people out there.

I just lost 14 cents in the viewership.

14 cents?

That's what I'm looking for.

That's a big shot for a reason.

That's not a shot I heard, you're saying.

You're going down here.

So, I hate to say it.

I kind of agree with Timothy.

I think he's being a dick here,

but I also think he has a point.

Well, yeah, I think even though you played most of it,

he's also talking about the availability of the mediums.

Yes, right.

How it, as well as is dying out,

it's also not accessible to a lot of people.

Yeah.

Like, a ballet costs a lot to go to.

Yes.

Always very at these fancy Bake City theaters,

same with opera,

as opposed to kind of going back to your discussion is like,

he's not wrong in the sense of like,

it's like the doctor's strange.

There's so many possibilities

and there's only one where we win,

where it's like, we could be going down a path

where movies are rare and they're very expensive to make

and to go and to access.

As you put, you can't even,

it's very hard to even get like,

VODs of a ballet or like going to like,

the broad, like, I understand why Broadway

and like, just like the theater industry is very,

like, they don't love to like,

release these like, VODs of their plays and stuff,

but it's like, I don't know it.

It also like, there's the conversation of like,

does it make it accessible to people

that can't go to Broadway

or can't go to these big cities and these theaters?

And so I'm kind of, I'm team Timmy.

Yeah, Brian, what about you, you team Timmy?

I think I am team Timmy in like,

the messaging he's saying, yeah, it's true.

That, I mean, he was mostly speaking on

just his own personal worries

that the theater would end up like that.

Yeah, so it's, I don't even think he was making like,

a statement about any of these art forms

other than he had a personal worry.

I think maybe the, because he did,

he has been saying this for years now.

When he grew up in the ballet theater, which I didn't know,

but you can imagine that like,

the relevance of an art form like ballet

or dance more broadly, like my sister was a dance major

and so like every time Alvin Ailey came anywhere near

our town, we'd go see it.

But, you know, like you can imagine the relevance

of something like that.

The profitability of pursuing a career in that

was something that was like deeply,

like that was probably a constant conversation in his house,

you know, like 100%.

I don't think there's more ballet jobs now

than there were a decade ago, same with opera, you know?

I don't think that makes them inherently bad,

but I agree with Abby that like,

there is an elitism around opera specifically for me

that I shape against where I'm like,

no man, you got to dress up just to fucking see it.

Just to see this fucking thing, you got to own a suit.

Fuck you, you know, like they're not trying

to make it accessible.

They're not trying to go for a broader audience.

That's fine.

But by narrowing your audience,

you are making it less broadly relevant.

Yeah.

I think this last clip that like went viral,

I think the only reason why it did is because

the way he said, like he's being very dismissive.

Yeah, he is specifically like,

we lost 14 cents of huge, huge, huge amount of that.

It's so crass.

It's so crass.

It makes me not want to agree with him even though I'm like,

yeah, I don't think those art forms are as relevant now

as they were 100 years ago, you know, like I just don't.

I think that's a really hard argument to make

that they're increasing in relevance

or that they have the same relevance as they once did.

It's true.

But when you follow it up with, I just lost 14 cents

in viewership, then you go like,

I don't think you care about it for art reasons, man.

I think you're just looking at the bottom line.

Like you can't pretend to want to be in it for the art

and then immediately be like,

oh boy, my stock price, it's taken a tumble, you know,

like that's gross.

That's like, you know, being the head

of a pharmaceutical company, being like,

we want to help people get, you know,

we want six people to get better.

Ooh, but the IPO, you're more opiates, you know,

like it's just it feels disingenuous.

Yeah, I think he thought that joke was just gonna kill

because he's been practicing for like years.

He's like, oh, it's just like opera and ballet.

No, nobody watches opera and ballet, right guys?

And for some reason, that crew was like,

not really feeling it.

His publicist was on that and like,

and the fact that he doubled,

I think he felt the awkwardness,

he doubled down with a joke

where he pretended to operate like a funny way

and I was like, no dude, no one's a bad joke,

it's a bad joke.

I mean, I'll say this as someone who lived through.

So, you know, for those who don't know me personally,

first off, congrats.

Your life is better for it.

What the heck?

You know, secondly, like, you know,

I moved to LA in 2004, you know,

and at that point in time, long form improv

as stupid as this is to say now,

was becoming a live art form that was overtaking standup

as a place to discover like the next talent.

You know, and this is what you'd see people get cast

on sitcoms and be like, oh my God,

that dude was on Beer Shark My.

So, my God, that's a UCB guy.

Everybody on Daily Show was coming out of UCB, New York.

I lived through the peak of that

and watched podcasts and YouTube overtake it

and make it less relevant.

Like, these things happen, you know,

like not everything can always be peaking.

You know, and I totally hear people being like,

you know, Timothy Shalman should be lifting up

all other art forms.

That's fine, but you're also allowed to say like,

I'm worried that the art form I'm most interested in

has had its best days behind it.

I want it to have its best days in front of it.

I want to be part of that.

I'm worried that's not happening.

If you say that, people are on your side.

If you use that emotion to then be like,

ooh, 14 cents.

It's like, I don't know, man.

Yeah, there's just a lot to unpack there.

I think that's probably it for our show today.

We can circle back to more of the Pete Docter stuff,

but I feel like we're on Shalman now.

Yeah, sorry to.

There you go.

You get a great example.

You know what?

I will just button this with the Pete Docter stuff

because Abby had seen an earlier screening of Elio.

One of the things that Pete Docter had said

that came out this Wall Street Journal about Pete Docter

was that they took out earlier versions of Elio

that suggested the character, Elio.

Sorry, I'm thinking of the pizzas, the little square ones.

They took out a lot of stuff that suggested Elio was gay,

including a pink bicycle in a scene

in which he imagined raising a child with his crush.

You saw both versions of the movie.

Yes, I worked at a trailer house

and fun fact about trailer houses

as they send early cuts of movies to the trailer houses

so that you can start working on a trailer

because my company had worked on the first teaser

that was in like, when if you see that teaser,

it is not the movie that came out.

I've also seen the army hammer cut

of that soccer movie that he got kicked out

of that I can't remember that.

Next go wins, next go wins.

That's movie history for you right there.

But yeah, I have seen it

and it was already an okay movie back then

but I will say it made a lot of the final cut

seam half-assed and also half-baked.

Sure.

Cause there was like a lot of elements there

to both the character and the story

that never seemed like fully executed

and it just fell very flat.

And so I can say I was there.

Yeah, and like kind of to Brian's point

about like what does a movie need to be good?

You know, like the bigger these places are

the more shots they're taking, the wider of an audience

they have to appeal to, you know, like,

another thing Pete Doctors said

they don't want to make millions dollars of therapy.

They don't want to make things that are autobiographical.

They need like big, you know, we need big hits.

It's so interesting that the CEO of Pixar

is talking like that.

Yes.

Cause that's never been like what has made Pixar successful.

And the company culture is super inclusive.

Like they have gender neutral bathrooms.

They really support their LGBTQ employees, you know?

I just feel like even before like having concrete

like evidence of inclusivity, like it just in itself

was the stories were very like inclusive

and very like, I don't know, not therapy movies

but they were just normal.

They were normal things that anyone can relate to, you know,

if you're really, you know, if you have an addiction

to scaring children or whatever, I'm just kidding.

But no, I just felt like that's so interesting

cause I feel like in the 2020s, a lot of the recent Pixar

movies are almost like parodies of themselves

in terms of what they're selling.

And they're like, well, we just need a wacky thing

and like it almost just feels like AI

or Google Translate wrote it in terms of the heart.

Like it's just, it's not super genuine

as opposed to like the older, more original films.

Some of which Pete Dr. directed.

Yeah.

I mean, you watch that opening scene of up.

You're just like, oh God.

Inside out, like I associate with him a lot.

And it's like, I think like the word therapy

is such a harsh word.

I also, as someone who's been in therapy for 20 years,

I really don't fucking like him stigmatizing it like this.

Sure.

I fucking hate that.

Well, especially when a lot of his movies are so like

mental health supportive.

Yes.

Like that's my take on inside out is like it's very like,

I don't know.

It's just like there's so, especially when I've not even

personally, but like a lot of these movies,

you can interpret them and get a lot of good things out of them.

You know, especially with like, just like concepts

introducing that to children, like an inside out,

like an up, like, I don't know, Wally, like Ratatouille.

I'm sure like, there's life lessons that can be therapy.

I don't know, it's just, it's very disheartening article,

especially with the release of hoppers,

which I think does not bit the like bad Pixar movie

streak that has been happening.

And it feels more OG and it feels genuine.

I do know that the report a while ago

was that they tried to make that less like save the earth.

Oh, there it is.

Yeah, sure, sure.

But I don't know, I was just very sad.

Yeah, it was just, it was, it was a really disappointing

series of quotes to hear from somebody in.

Not only such a high creative position at a studio

that I have really connected to over the years,

but also like, one that makes movies I watch with my daughter,

you know, like she, she won't watch anything with me now.

She's 13, I am persona non grata.

I accept that.

I will come back into her good graces

when she gets to college and needs money.

That's just how it goes.

And that's how it should go.

But it is for somebody who has such a direct line

to the mental health of kids who might feel queer

or have like emotions that they don't know

how to process on their own

and might need someone to goose their parent

into having a conversation with,

to specifically be like, I'm gonna take that away

from them.

I don't think that's good.

That feels really bad.

There's so many issues that they've already covered

in Pixar over the last 30 years.

Like it's just was such a weird.

Yeah.

And what do you think we're all gonna go to the opera

or the ballet?

It's all about it.

That's so bad.

We're gonna watch Neston Dorma, you know,

I'm gonna hear that part.

Yeah.

I feel that, you know, Pixar, I don't know if you guys agree,

but there's been a general sense that Pixar has been like

on a downturn.

There's like a peak Pixar where everyone's like,

you gotta see Pixar.

But after a certain point, maybe it was like since onward

it was like, it was like, it was a little tough.

It was like, oh, we don't really need to see Pixar

and movies anymore.

As opposed to Coco.

Sure, yeah.

Like, you know, Coco, which was 2017,

I think that was the last non-sequel Pixar had.

That was like a major thing.

He tried to bulls twos 2018.

Yeah.

Toy Story 4 was 2019.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Oh, that'd be a nice missing one.

Yeah, because Encanto was Disney, right?

Encanto was Scorpio.

Yeah, that was Disney.

Encanto was Disney.

Yeah.

But yeah, they've been on a little bit of a slump.

And so I, you know, I'm sure he's trying to figure out

what's the slump.

And there was, maybe it's biased

because I was reading this article,

but when you look at the stories like before,

there were a lot of like big picture general stories

but with weird worlds like Toy Story,

the world is like Toys Are Alive, Bugs Life,

Alive Bugs, Cars, Car, everything,

something is alive.

But eventually they went to more personal stories.

These stories about people's specific experiences,

like onward is about, I forget the director,

but their specific experience with grieving

their loss of their father.

And they tried to do more of that.

And I think he thinks that that's what's the problem.

But if you look at a story like Elemental,

where if you look at the box offices,

it actually did pretty well, comparatively.

And that was a very specific story

about a woman wanting to make their father proud

and take over their company.

It was an immigrant story.

It was a good immigrant story.

It's like an immigrant story.

But that's still the setting, the atmosphere,

and the storytelling, I think still uplifted that.

Yeah, the problem's not autobiography or heavy themes.

It's, if I had to guess, the problem is probably,

hey, we have like a, yes, yes, trash bag,

oh, no, Marky Mark 95, 20, thank you.

Path-loving me.

But I think the problem is not that it's autobiographical.

I think the problem is not that the themes are too heavy,

or anything like that.

I think the problem is just the execution wasn't there.

And like, that's okay, not every movie is great.

But when I see a studio have a problem

with execution across several movies,

I don't think the problem is with the creators.

I think it's with the round table of execs

at the high council that are noting them into oblivion.

And that's the thing, right?

It's like, you know, we've heard about that

with like Lucasfilm.

I mean, it's not about queer stories,

but just stupid stuff like the Kylo Ren movie

or better ideas that in your head

or like that would have been so cool or,

I don't know, Pixar always just felt like

your cool gay cousin at Thanksgiving

that you don't really see that much,

but like, they're a really good time.

And then to find out, they're also not cool.

Yeah, I think, I was thinking about that right now.

I think what also doesn't help Pixar is the fact that

when Pixar first came on the scene,

they were like the giants in 3D animated movies.

They were maybe the only ones who did it really well.

I think in this current era,

we have had so much variety of different,

really good 3D movies that it's hard to really separate

or to see Pixar as something different.

Like, the spiderverse changed the game completely.

And after spiderverse, that kind of 3D animation

was what was like popular.

Puss and Boots, the last wish,

kind of like also built upon that

and was also very dynamic movie.

And Pixar is not a very,

the animation sounds not very dynamic,

it's not very like eye catching

in a way that I think captures the current audience.

People make fun of the whole bean mouth.

You know, like the whole art style

of feeling safe and boring,

whereas Spiderverse and Puss and Boots

was like action and weird stretches

and like, well, it was like Mitchell's versus the machine.

It's that too, yeah, like, yeah.

Also, they already made a game movie, Luca.

That's true, that's true, that is a, that is a game movie.

No, I agree.

I feel like maybe they're losing their identity a little bit

because they were at the forefront of technology.

Like when it's like, oh, like think of like there,

I mean, some of their marketing or at least

someone who's watched all of the DVD extras is like,

look at how we had to animate like Soli's hair.

Like, and then like 10 years later, it's like,

even Meredith's hair is crazy.

Like, I don't know.

I think they're in their flop era and they can't handle it.

Yeah, I think also like not every movie

has to be for everybody.

You know, like Kurt Vonnegut has that quote,

like, you know, make us write a story

to please just one person.

If you open your window to make love to the world,

your story will catch its death of cold.

Like, goodbye.

That Vonnegut guy has a couple of winners.

It's just so interesting because it's like inside out

and inside out too is like, it's just a little girl's head

and those movies make a billion dollars.

But then they get so freaked out about one gay character

in their Disney plus show.

No one was going to watch anyway.

That it's, they get so up in arms or get so, I don't know.

It does feel weird to be like, our movies aren't working

and you know why it's the gays.

Like, don't scapegoat.

These are the other issues they've never even fully,

like, they've never fully embraced that

or like had a whole, like, sorry.

You're gonna tell me the gay bus in cars three is like,

or you know what?

Have you guys watched the other two?

Yes.

When Drew Tarver gets, the guy's a cloppy

and he's like, it's like so brave

that I'm doing this thing and that the character is just like,

but like that's like, no, it's so on point.

He's always like, people always bring that clip around too.

It's like, or just like the gay cop and in onward

or I'm trying to think the other get,

oh, the kiss and light ear that, that's not like,

until you do real representation and it flops,

like, let me know because even some of those other movies

that you reference, like, have queer characters

and it's like, it's fine.

It's just so annoying.

Like, honestly, annoying.

Yeah, I think to your point, I think it is like,

Disney, the executive group or like, we can't,

we don't wanna even deal with any kind of no-anything.

So you gotta make it the most safe, the most cookie-cutter thing

and I think that's the problem, you know?

And that's how you get movies like The Good Dinosaur.

Yeah.

Damn.

I'm just saying, actually, he can truth.

The Good Dinosaur was, I remember distinctly,

that was the moment I was like, I don't know.

I'm sorry, I don't care anymore.

I, yeah, I, I saw it, my like, a recurring theme

for my life is I go to D23 where they show like, trailers

and you're like, oh my God, it's so good.

Like, you're so good.

And you're shown out of context scenes

and then you're like, you see the movie and you're like,

oh.

That's so funny.

But no, I just, I don't know, it's very deeply offensive

to me that Pixar doesn't have it together

because they always appeared together.

They used to be like that bitch.

Like, there's a reason they got bought, you know?

Like, and it's because Disney didn't know what to do with them

because they were, yes, they were distributing their films,

but they were competition.

Right.

And so, because it used to just be the two of them

for the most part, unless you want to argue

when before time and don't believe the movies really,

like we're competing, they weren't, you know?

I mean, as much as I grew up on Secret of Nim,

I can't, I can't pretend it had the same impact.

Like, you know, I don't know what else

with what Disney was doing in that same era.

When I was a kid, 80s, Sword and the Stone.

Yeah.

Just playing it to save Disney, Disney's making them too safe.

You know, really, I'm something.

They got to do some games.

So to answer your question, Brian,

no one makes movies for art anymore.

That's actually so true.

That's exactly true.

So I hope you feel that that's the answer.

Is it has been answered?

It's not all the way back around and the answer is money.

Oh, nice.

I hope that in like two years,

like some ballet dancer is on show and it's like,

I don't want to be doing a film.

I'm like, true.

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