The Best Players Nobody is Talking About Before Your Draft

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1:04My name is Danny Hype. I'm joined by Danny Kellen, Craig Whirlbeck. Our last recording in Los Angeles, although the second last that you'll see. Recording this Thursday, September 3rd, and the season is less than a week away. Nine years just landed in Australia. I think I don't know. You're here in this Friday, and we're going to go over the best players nobody is talking about. These are the Glansbergs. It's an important episode. We do this at this time every year because I feel like there are players who take over the narratives all season. And there's guys who slip through the cracks who, when their name is at the top of the list during a draft, you're like, nobody's really talked about this. Do I like this guy? Do I not like this guy? So we're going to talk about the best, the best no names from the draft. And why is it called the Glansbergs? Steven Glansberg from Super Bad. He sits alone. He's just lunch. Don't make me sit by myself. Steven fucking Glansberg. You know what? Steven turned out to be a lawyer. He's laughing. He's laughing his way to the bank. Yeah, definitely. Well, his friends are probably richer. Yeah. That's a step from my adventure. Step in having or doing just fine. Right. But that's fine.

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3:06And sometimes this is nobody and sometimes it's just we haven't talked about them yet, but either way, DK, I want you to start off with the player not being discussed this year for whatever reason that right here at the buzzer, you want to mention as a player worth targeting. Devonte Adams, Los Angeles Rams, weird player to not really talk about for the last six months, especially considering Pukinakua's tumultuous offseason. Good word. I genuinely don't really know what to do with Adams. I think I'm excited about him based on the price that he is right now in grass. Right now he's going as YRC for 25, 57th overall. Some of the guys around him, Luther Burton, Terry McClarence, Derrym Price, Basel Tutan, Trayvon Henderson, Jameson Williams. That's like a motley crew of high variance, potentially exciting but also scary picks. I think Adams, he's probably right now one of the better values in grass just based on the fact that I think a lot of people think he's washed and I'm not sure that he is. Especially in this offense, we've talked about this a million times. You want every piece in this Rams offense that's going to touch the football. He's clearly one of them. If Pukinakua gets hurt or goes out, I think that makes Adams like potential sky high, like

4:11truly top five potential. And this is the guy that did lead the NFL last year and touchdowns. The question I have is, so he had under 800 yards and 14 touchdowns. So have 789 yards and 14 touchdowns. We are blind. He could just have 700 yards and seven touchdowns and that's a great season but then you're kind of mad, you drafted him. So that's, I think that's the question and that's why we haven't talked about him is we haven't ranked as if he'll score a lot but not lead the NFL and therefore it's like, yeah. It's one of the weirder stat lines you look at because it's not just 700, he really had 800 yards. It's not that he had 800 yards and 14 touchdowns. He had 800 yards and 14 touchdowns and only 14 games. If he played three more, he probably has like 16 touchdowns and maybe a thousand yards. Yeah. The thing about Devonte, I took him in our ringer league. I think I thought he was a year younger than he is. That doesn't really matter. But he is 33 turning 34 in December. That's gross. That's older than I thought. That's like, I feel like the big years are Jordan year turned 23 in your Jesus year when

5:11you're 33 and that's like when you really start to evaluate things. Yeah. Like Mike Evans is 33 and he turned 33 a week ago and I'm like, wow, Devonte is going to be 34 in December. I do agree with you though, GK. There's glowing reports. He seems to be the type of player who's aging well and he like does what he does well and that's it. He's always kind of, he's never been. He's never been. He's Tim Duncan. Right. And removing age, his role in the offense is probably one of the most stable in fantasy. He is. Yeah. He's never really been relying on explosive speed or, or, you know, overpowering strength or anything like that. He's just a route runner. His footwork in his first six steps is the best of the NFL. He must have had one of the, I didn't look this up, but he must have had one of the lowest catch rates of any receiver last year in the NFL. He had 114 targets and 60 catches. He only had 60 catches. So it's a very weird player. I sense that you don't like him as much as TK. I, no, I just, I just kind of glossed past him each time.

6:12Yeah. It's just weird. So where's place? He had eight targets a game. He ranked 13th among all players in targets. My issue with Devonte is among, there's just a lot of things of aging player, even if you're like, oh, he's not aging that much. Well, I mean, I guess everyone ages the same every year, but it's more like aging guy. The statistical decline already started in the yards is hidden by the touchdown thing. And the question honestly is, I know this sounds silly, but were, how much were the Rams chasing the passing stuff at the goal line to get staff for an MVP and staffer wanted it? I know that sounds silly, but like that is kind of the thing. Sometimes the staffer just like, they kind of want to let a touchdowns form. And I think staffer had something to prove coming off the back and the content. They were going to trade him. Don't forget. But it's not like they didn't work. They were the best team in the league, basically. No, but I think that if staffer goes from throwing, what did he throw? 40 hour of any touchdowns last year and then it comes down to merely 31. There's 14 less touchdowns that somebody Devonte had. If Devonte goes from 14 to nine, then you're probably mad. He was your fourth pick. Now, the flip side is maybe the ceiling's really, the floor is really high because they keep doing it. My thing though is very simple, which is I'd rather just take Terrence Ferguson, who's the tight end on the Rams, who is basically kind of going undrafted, depending on

7:15how big your league is. And I just love Terrence Ferguson. We have not talked about him enough either. We've said our tight and sleepers this year are kind of like Mark Andrews, John Johnson. But Terrence Ferguson is like my favorite last pick, Dart throw. And there's like a lot of guys this year that they're like that. And I want to add three more today. But Terrence Ferguson is just probably the number three receiver on the Rams. And if anything happens to Pukin and Kua or Devonte Adams, I think Terrence Ferguson is the number two receiver on the Rams as a tight end. That's like a crazy lucrative role. And I kind of just rather have Terrence Ferguson. Honestly, you can add them off waivers when your draft ends that have my fourth pick on Devonte. I like the Terrence Ferguson shout. I think the one thing about Devonte that's an ISDK is that he, it's like, if you end to bet who's going to play more games this season, would you take the 33 almost 34 year old Devonte or his counterpart to 24 25 year old Pukin and Kua? Yeah, probably Adams. Pukin and Kua played 16 games last year. It's 1700 yards. He was fantastic. And yet you're like, man, if anything were to happen to Pukin, I think Devonte might

8:17almost be more reliable. You're like, oh, 34 year old guy with hamstring problems. I'm taking him. Devonte scored 14 touchdowns with Pukin, putting up 1700 yards. I'm like, maybe in another world that's actually could be better. It does. It does. It's like, you know, more girls is the age reversal. You're like, oh, wait, she's the mature one in the world. You know what I mean? Who goes lives in the blue tent? Yeah. I just like thinking of Adams, if he doesn't have 10 touchdowns this year, I'm going to be surprised. Yeah, that's fair. He's maybe he's like my Gevins with, we kept saying, oh my God, my voice is going even just talking to you. He's getting choked up. Maybe that's a sign to move on. I think you're right. We'll have touchdowns again. Craig, who is another player that you think we're not that nobody's talking about that is worth taking? This is like a late in the offseason thing for me that I've been thinking about more Breeze Hall, a guy who I've had these feelings on in my time on the show. His average draft position is like running back 1632 overall. In the drafts that I've been in, he never goes that high. He falls. It's the jets. He's not sexy. It's the history of Breeze Hall. It's like he had one good season a while ago and it hasn't worked out since the team

9:20has been a disaster. He's weirdly turned into a guy where if you take him, people kind of make fun of you about it. Totally. Like you get ribbed about it. He's probably the best young running back behind a good align in the league that nobody cares about. I think the jets are going to have a legitimately good offensive line. I think the way they're talking about Breeze Hall is that he's going to be the every down guy. Breeze Hall has caught 76 passes once in a season. He is very capable. That is the key to hitting that ceiling with running backs is you usually need to find that guy who can catch passes. I'm like, man, the jets have been obviously so bad for so long. If this team can only just be competent, fine. A little of the road with Geno Smith and a good offensive line. Breeze Hall can be a great pick for sure. I like this. I have been very skeptical of Garrett Wilson and Breeze Hall and because I'm just skeptical that Geno thinks going to work. But I do think Geno probably is somewhere between what he was in the SEALX last year or two years ago. I don't think he's going to be a total disaster like last year. The important part also is the most jets thing that happens is not the jets being the worst team in the league and getting the first pick.

10:23Most jets thing to happen is being just good enough to play themselves out of the top five. They win seven games so they have to use. They have three first rounders, the Colts and the Dallas first rounders. Put them on together. Yeah, they have to use those to trade up instead of just earning the pick. Geno just being good enough to play them out of the pick but being bad enough that they don't make the playoffs is kind of where this is going. I agree, Breeze, they have good offensive linemen of the jets. It's the best thing they have. They've been investing in it heavily over the years. Greg Reich. You know what I mean? It helps that they have the top five easiest, easiest slate of opposing defenses. Yeah, I'm not going to pretend that Frank Reich is exciting but I'm like, could, could, could Breeze Hall be a kind of off-brand Ken Walker, Chase Brown type, a guy who's doing into the passing game, run of the ball, good offensive line, the use of the time. Now that you say it, other than Patrick Holmes and Judith Smith, what are the differences between the two teams? Right, Joe Barrow, which is, yeah, so they're going to be. She jets good online. Yeah. Outdated play calling guys. Yeah. Yeah. Basically the same teams. Yeah, it's the same thing.

11:24Breeze Hall is 25 years old. That's all I'm saying. I like, you're right. The Breeze Hall is a guy that just falls in the right, that's where I think you're, it's a good point. I think he's, I think he's, he's, he's thinking about taking him not and then he might fall back to you. I think he's a fantastic second running back to have on your team. While we're in the jets, the other person will shout out as another like last pick. Kind of doesn't get drafted depending on your platform that if you, if you actually believe in the jets and believe in Judith Smith and just like, even if you think they're going to be bad, but just airing the ball out. Again, 80 Mitchell, if you don't, if you think Garrett Wilson might be have a good year, but then he, you don't get him. 80 Mitchell is a really talented, like great with separation receiver that the Colts gave up on and the jets have. It wouldn't be weird to me at all. Of 80 Mitchell was like pretty competent playing a lot for the jets. And I think the jets have other reason to kind of give him staff to start the year. He's talented. He's a mercurial player. But I, that to me is another like great dart throw just in case it's week one. Like he's a very obvious big week one would be a huge waivers guy. And then you can move on if he doesn't play. Yeah. But I think he's a good just literal last pick in any size league. Yeah. He's a, I mean, super, super discounted version of like what you're looking for with

12:25Garrett Wilson. I think Garrett Wilson is a better player. He's probably going to have more target targets in their soft fence, but you have to kind of pay up a little bit for Garrett Wilson. He's going in a range where there's going to be other good players. I loved 80 Mitchell as a dart throw late. If this offense is a lot better than we think it is going to be it. I just keep coming back to the fact that I think coming into this year, we thought there was going to be way more target competition in the in the in the Jets offense with them using a first round pick on Omar Cooper who hasn't really stood out and training camp from everything I've seen. And then the tight end, Kenan city who hasn't I think he's hurt and he may be like slow to kind of break into this offense. They're just kind of going into the season with it's going to be Garrett Wilson, 80 Mitchell and Breeze Hall. I think they're like the big target earners in this offense. Mason Taylor makes in. But I mean, again, like a comical amount of like the amount of just where these guys are drafted. Carol Wilson was drafted so hot. So many first and second rounders very early second on pick, right? Breeze Hall, the 80 Mitchell was, you know, decently. Mason Taylor's second rounder. Yeah, Mason very highly drafted to very, very highly drafted tight ends up in the online.

13:25It is like very invested in offense. Yeah, 80 Mitchell was a second rounder. Gina Smith is a high draft pick. Sure. Who took him again? I can't remember. So weird that he's back. It is really, really, really struck. It is really sunk in yet. He's really tried to ignore it. Yeah. That should be a mini power hour next week is just ranking things you'll see and just kind of like, what? What in the hell is that? She knows how to throw a pass to the jet in a regular season games. Yeah. TK, who's another player that you think is nobody's talking about enough that you think could be good to share. T Higgins for the bangles. I don't feel like we've even really mentioned him at all. Every year TK is not the best. He just kind of falls through the cracks, flies under the radar. He's very consistently scores fantasy points year in and year out. I mean, especially when burrow has been healthy, basically the last four or five years, burrow has been healthy. T Higgins is going to really, you know, just score a lot of touchdowns. Kind of a younger version. He played against Devon to Adams. He really is. I was actually going to bring that up because there like Adams is sort of a discount version of T Higgins in a lot of ways because you're going to rely on T Higgins and score touchdowns.

14:28He's not a super high target rate guy. He's not going to get a ton of catches, but he hits deep passes and he catches a lot of touchdowns. He's on the red meat. Right. And he has every year probably like four out of the top eight catches in the NFL. You know what I mean? In high pointing. He's so such a huge target and burrow trusts him implicitly. He's just going to throw it up there for him, let him come down with it. This is what I locked on to. So basically last, the last five years, the worst finish he had was two years, or 2023, when burrow only played 10 games. He finished as like the YVC or 41 points per game. But other than that, he's like a top 20 receiver every single year in his career. YVC or 11, YVC or four, YVC or 19, YVC or 13. The important thing here is the bangles in the last five seasons with burrow and Higgins. First and pass touchdowns, second and pass rate, third and pass attempts for game, seventh and points for game and fifth and passing yards. So there is just a big pie there of fantasy points that you want to get a part of.

15:32And I think it's going to be concentrated. Once again, Jamarch Chase is going to be obviously the number one in this offense. But there's years where T Higgins isn't really that far behind in terms of catches per game, yards per game and touchdowns. It's funny. We used to talk about how the Cowboys were like the off-brand bangles. And now it's almost like T Higgins is the off-brand George Pickens. Totally. Totally. When it used to be the other way around. Yeah. And so T Higgins has become an overlooked guy. You don't really think too much about him. George Pickens is like Cowboys, sexy or bigger. It's like the same thing and everyone's now going after George Pickens. You can just wait around and get T Higgins. T Higgins was like short-hand for the best number two receiver in the NFL. And now T Higgins is the T Higgins of T Higgins. Yes, that's it. Short-hand Pickens is the best number two. 100%. I've weirdly kind of avoided T Higgins this year. I haven't picked him in any of my drafts. I don't know why I've just kind of not focused on him. But then as I was digging into the kind of do the research today on T Higgins, I was like, I feel like I'm kind of missing out. I should have grabbed him. It's all there. Like once you have him on your team, maybe drafting him won't feel like anything. Like one, he's going to get three end zone targets and you're like, man, this is great.

16:34Yeah. I hope the Van Goghs also has a third easiest schedule, according to Warren Sharps. It's like the game totals per Vegas. If Joe Borough plays all 17 games, where T Higgins is going now and drafts will be of value. Yeah, I got him in the regular league and everyone just kind of nodded. I know that's exactly. That's exactly it's like, oh yeah, T Higgins. He's good. So, Salt Pick. Craig, do you have another player that you think no one's talking about, but we'll be good pick? And nobody is talking about Chris Godlin on the box. It feels like we've just moved past him. It feels like we decided that when he was 28 years old and he dislocated his ankle, everyone's like, that's it. His career is over. He got on that, on that cart. And what did he say to his trainer? He was like back at Joe. Back to work Joe. Back to work Joe, which was devastating. He has a dislocated ankle. He's out, misses the second half, 24. Comes back last year, plays a couple games earlier in the season. And misses a little more time. He kind of, I think he rushed himself back a little bit. Yeah. Came back to close the year and was like, top 24 riders even a league, which would be a

17:35startable receiver on your roster. He was averaging 11 fantasy points a game and you look at what Godlin was doing before he went down in 2024. He was the number two wide receiver in fantasy, which is like crazy. He was having an insane year. He had a hundred, he was on pace for 120 catches. He's like an off brand version of I'm on Rob. He's just catching a ton of passes. He's getting all of the easy button stuff over the middle. He's going as like the 35th wide receiver off the board, which is just like, and again, I don't think anyone's reaching for Chris Godwin. I think he'll probably fall in most drafts and you have a buka who probably might have turf toe. You have Magellan McMillan, who's off and on with a knee injury. You have a rookie in Ted Hurst. Mike Evans is gone. If the bucks are healthy and the offense of line is healthy and Baker's healthy, Godwin I think is just sitting there as like a really solid pick. I feel like people think Godwin is just done. Yeah, he's 30. He's not treating like he's 35. And it's, it's fast. I think it's 35. No way. Never heard of it. I think it's fascinating because people are treating Godwin's season last year like he hit the age cliff, but it was like he was coming back from a dislocated ankle.

18:39And then he had some compensatory injuries kind of associated with trying to come back to quickly from that. And he had to like go back to the bench for I was like six or seven more games after coming back in week four or five. But yeah, I mean, I feel like they did give him a big new contract. And so like he's still part of their plans. He's part of the team. That part of it also reminds me a lot of Mark Andrews where it's a classic year after the year after guy where we were like, oh, you weren't the same guy and you're almost you're roughly 30 years old. And it's not what we remember. And then the team pays them. Yeah. And the team knows a lot more than you do about the male situation. If the team thought they were falling off, they wouldn't give them an extension. It's like Zachary. It's like it's. It's like it's like Zachary. This was done like five years before he went on to score be like a top 10 or top 12 tight end like five years. Zachary turned around. Five years after I thought he was done. Yeah. So maybe that's something that's going to happen here with God when I like that one a lot. So. And then I know we set up just worth a minute. The abook. We don't know the extent of the abook injury.

19:40Right. Like that is like the abooker with the toe injury. Like it's worth reminding you. Spray toe could be toe turf toe could be a sprain toe. But I know we've talked about. Well, if it's turf toe, it's bad. But also he also is known to be hurt. Like at the very least, he has a receiver with a toe injury that you want to play 17 weeks. You know what I mean? It's worth being docked. So it's a weekly game. Like if any week the book of Mrs. Godwin's going to be way better. So. No, it's really. This episode is brought to you by Google Chrome. You think you know a browser, but Gemini and Chrome, that's new. It can help you with practically anything on the web like restoring a vintage motorcycle from a 50 page restoration block or finally break down that long article you've had open for weeks. Gemini and Chrome is here for it ready to make anything online make sense. There's no place like Chrome. Check responses set up require compatibility and availability. Very 18 plus. You matched on hinge, you're vibing. Then her energy completely changes. What do you do? I'm Raven Smith and I wrote and read a real love story about this exact sitch. Listen to the free audio book now.

20:41Someone I'll throw out is I think there's. No, it's arch style two sets of Steelers. It's the Jalen Warren Rico Dattle combo running back and the DK Metcalf Michael Pittman combo receiver. We have not talked about a lot. Pittman we just talked about last week for the first time in months since they really acquired them. And I actually feel strongly I don't like Rico Dattle for the at cost for the Steelers and I really like DK Metcalf. I cost these Metcalfs more expensive. But I don't mind Jalen Warren and I don't mind Michael Pittman because we joke like a few days ago, Michael Pittman might be off brand Mike Evans and that this guy has been around. You're kind of sick of big extra seiver that also can kind of do it underneath routes. And we're like, you know what? That style there in Rogers he could be the Devonte Adams 800 yards but 14 touchdowns. I wouldn't be shocked because Rogers can throw those targets and no one's taking Michael Pittman. I kind of feel like the Jalen Warren too where I'm like, he's kind of like he's not as good as a receiver of Kenny gay wall, but I do think Jalen Warren's a better past blocker than Rico Dattle. Yes, Rico Dattle, not a great past blocker. And so Eli Hyden, right, because like the rookie seventh round or the last pick of the

21:42drafts, I think. And so I mean, he's not going to know he wasn't. No, he was just seventh round of his Steelers. He went up in the thing because it was Pittsburgh. Because he's from there. Yeah. But I mean, he's not going to be the past protector for Rogers immediately. So Jalen Warren's going to be the block on the field, making sure Rogers doesn't take the last hit of his career. But I also think he can stand the field of the goal line. Rico Dattle is probably like more traditionally going to be that guy, but Jalen Warren can do it the same way you wouldn't think any game rules under the goal line. So then he's kind of making plays and Rogers trusts him and that over that always supersedes everything people think going this season. People always underestimate the Aaron Rogers has his guys and those guys play. And I kind of think Jalen Warren is going to be the guy from there that he's going to be like, yeah, goal line to your line. I want Jalen in. And if he earns that trust, then Jalen Warren's probably actually pretty underrated. Yeah. I mean, there's a couple of things about the Steelers. One, I think you have to assume that the offense is going to be better. It just is with Mike McCarthy. I think they're going to be wearing way more like 11 personnel. I just think it's going to be a smoother offensive system in Pittsburgh. Also, the offensive line is dare I say good.

22:43It's young and good. Like the left side of their line, you know, there's a few things you have to worry about. But like, I don't know, Zach Frazier is one of the best centers in the league. Fautanu has a lot of promise. McCormick has like come out of nowhere. And it's like one of the best upcoming guards in the league. They just took big Macs out of Arizona State who's going to be the right tackle. He's looking pretty good. This offensive line might be very solid. Yeah. How do you feel about project Jones who you took in the first shot and being flipped to Dallas Ray, a fourth for what a project Jones and a fourth for a third? I can't believe somebody wanted it. I'll respect him. I hope he has success. But like, with all due respect, he said it. I thought he was going to languish and we would get nothing back for him. The fact that whatever we swapped a fourth for a third, great. He was not good for the last couple of years. It's like he's tackled. It was not good. He was not good. He was not if you sack your own quarterback in celebration that you're going to get to.

23:43You know, outside of broadsays that moment. The reason he's gone now. I mean, the Steelers did help actually done a pretty good job drafting on the offensive line in the last three years. Like after broadsure Jones, Frazier McCormick, Fautanu, which are all three of those guys that believe the Steelers got the same draft. And now Max Ionichert. It's not bad. Looking up. How do you envision the split going between Warren and Doriko Dotto? Because I'm looking at last year, Jaylen Warren was kind of like the lead back. It was like a weird kind of man. Well, because Gainwell is definitely much more of just a receiver playing running back type of guy. He had Gainwell had 73 catches, which I think was in the top five among running backs or somewhere close to that. For the Warren thing to pay off, he needs to be the guy in the red zone. Right. Yes. And that's the thing. It's one of those we haven't taught. And again, again, the Steelers offense might not be good. But it's not just going to be in shotgun. We've talked for years now about it's the Park and Bark. He's too slow to do the under-centred. He can't move. So everything's in shotgun. He has to see everything. He just want to get hit. So it's bad for the running game to be in shotgun, et cetera, et cetera. So it might not be worth it.

24:44However, if Jaylen Warren is, yeah, if everything gets bifurcated and one guy's doing the passing down to one guy's doing the goal line, you'll probably want neither. But if Jaylen Warren gets both, more often than not, then he's probably underrated. And Pittman is the same thing where kind of don't love DK Metcalf, but Michael Pittman four rounds later might just straight up be better in fantasy. Pittman's going to lead this team and catchers, I think. Yeah. He's just teaming red zone and end zone targets. Dude, Metcalf is the wide receiver at 34 and ADP right now. That's too high. And there's nothing to do with him. It's too high. That's kind of crazy. I think I'd much rather have Pittman. But DK Metcalf, if he was on a different team, would be way higher. Of course. I just feel sure. Yeah. And there in Rogers really makes sense. DK Metcalf was on the path instead of AJ Brown. I'd be way higher. Yes. I mean, Metcalf finished as. Metcalf finished as the wide receiver 24 last year. But now Michael Pittman's here. Yeah. That's true. And they didn't really have any depth last year. No. Yeah. But they passed to their tight ends like a million times, don't they? That was like a big part of the right. I guess it's just a bright right. I mean, he drafted higher, but also, I don't know. He just, maybe Metcalf's a good value too.

25:44No, I mean, I'm not like making that argument, but I do. It's kind of crazy how far he's fallen off in terms of 34th. Yeah, Pittman's the 46th wide receiver off the board. Like he's going around. He's going right before Brandon Aubrey. Yeah. At that point, I'm like, OK, maybe Pittman's a good value. TK, give me another player you think we have not or nobody's talking about nobody in the whole world. This one's kind of surprising because I think we all like him. It's Ted McMillan, T-Mac from the Panthers who had a. It's just the Panthers. It is. Yeah. It's hard to get excited about that offense right now. They've had injuries on their offensive line. Right. Even though I think that's great, but nobody really. Bryce Shungs of meme. And then the offensive line, it's, yeah, I mean, they have, you know, Romano Roe Freeling is like a rookie that's probably going to have to play like, you know, Rashid Walker had to sign for the minimum and approve it deal, you know, because they have, you know, Taylor Moton is injuries. They obviously had a key Aquanoid. Like there's just a lot of issues with her tackles. Yeah. And then Bryce Young is looks like a middle schooler when he wears a backback. Yeah. And so I think that kind of maybe just dampened our excitement about what he did as a rookie.

26:45I mean, last year he had 1,014 yards. I was 13th among. If you go back, Tedero Mcmillan, not Bryce Shungs. Yeah. He was a clear cut immediately, the clear cut number one in that offense, which I think is, he kind of already feels like a veteran. Yeah. You know, I'm just like McMillan, he'll get you 11, hundred yards seven touchdowns every year. Yeah, dependable, big bodied, kind of, already looks like a pro, you know, feels like a pro. He in a way is kind of like how excited we've been about Emeca Bucca during the season. We probably should be excited about Tedero Mcmillan. Totally. Like, it's, is it really that hard to see T-Mac next year or team act next year as a top 20 pick. It doesn't really hard for him to just have the beginning of a perpetual top. I really like him. He one thing that I don't know how to take those. He says he's gained 20 pounds since last year. 20 is kind of a lot. Look, you can't gain 20 pounds without having it being fat. 20 pounds in a year. Unless you're Marvin Harris. Think about putting 21 pound hamburgers on your body of just pure muscle.

27:49He's 23. Might still be growing. That is extremely hard. I don't know why people, it's like, I feel like when NFL players gain weight in the off season, it's never like, yeah, I put on six pounds of muscle. Yeah. That's great. It's always like, I put on 15 pounds, 20 pounds. Well, yeah, but they're not normal people. They are eat. I mean, first of all, I mean, the really, the plan is like to build up and then he'll lose it throughout the season. Yeah, probably. Yeah, probably. Sure. But that's the kind of way. 20 pounds is a lot. That's like an eighth of his body weight. When Marvin Harrison does it, that's bad. But also, the tenth of his body weight. I'm like, that's a lot. I think it's kind of common though for rookies. A lot of them come in and just realize like they have. He wasn't like skinny. No, but he was, he was a little. He's six five. Wiery, maybe a little bit Wiery last year. I feel like when you watch him, but he says he, he says he was playing more at what he's playing, what he is now in terms of weight in college. He says he felt like a little bit better at the way he is now when he was playing in college. He always just felt stronger and he's back to his college weight. So that's what he said. I don't really know. He was listed at two 12 last year. So you don't really think. What do you think he was?

28:49It's actually the least knowable thing. Two of five. Two of five. Two of five. So you think he was two twenty five college? Two twenty five college? Yeah. Honestly, like if you look at the history of the NFL, it is fascinating though. Like there are very few. It's happening more now, but there are very, how tall is he? Like six four? Six five. There's very few guys in the NFL who are six four, six five and like less than two ten. It's usually, you know, there's six foot two hundred or six five two twenty five. You know what I mean? Like there's not that many guys that are like have the body type of George Pickens in the NFL that I've done like really high numbers and been really good. It is interesting that he says he's closer to the way he was in college now because that means last year for whatever reason he was playing a little bit light. I think there are issues with Carolina and there's reasons we haven't talked about him in a ton because he just kind of perfectly slots in with Tehiggins and Devante Smith and all these guys that could kind of just pop.

29:50But he is, I think he's like, he's great. He's like, 10 or only was a great player. Totally. And if he was another example of, it's like Tehiggins, incredibly talented. If in a different situation we'd be like freaking out, but he's in Carolina, which is almost muting like how good I think 10 or a Macbillan is. Yes. And I think that's the point of this episode. He's individually incredible. It's impressive how immediately he just became like the reliable number one wide receiver on a playoff team. He just showed up and was like immediately good. And it's, I mean, he was picked a lot higher and he was much more well thought of prospect but like, especially compared to a guy like Xavier LeGa, who is the first round pick for them a couple of years before. I mean, he came in and Teh came in and me, those just like, you know, throw me the ball. I'm going to go get it. And I think he's not, he doesn't have a ton of competition for targets this year. It's basically him and Jalen Coker. And they're the best two in the off. And they have a, they have like a Splatoon of tight ends that they're going to use. I don't know. I think he's going to get fed targets. And I think to your point, what you're really saying is if you, if you do what we've been saying, which is start running back, running back, if it comes back around in a 12

30:54or a 14 team league and you're like, oh, no, Ted O'Rome and Millen's going to be my never one receiver. It's like, that's okay. That's what that's what happened in the ringer league for me. That's right. He's my number one receiver. I don't know how I feel about it. I know I really like him as a prospect. I thought he'd look great as a rookie. And I'm just basically praying that the panthers offense is a total mess. Because I think even if it's just like an okay offense, he'll be really good. We might have to, yeah, at the end of the season, that would be great when it really is. It just don't pray for the panthers to not be asked. Uh, who else? Craig, are you, do you think it's a player? No one's talking. It's kind of weird. But I just think we have not talked about Drake May at all. Right. This off season, who's the like the third quarterback off the board. It's sort of been like, yeah, he's. Good. Yeah. So we haven't really dove into any of his numbers or what he might do this year. Yeah, I think we've done a lot of like, well, obviously, Josh Almson number one. And we're like, well, Lamar is going to bounce back and Burrow have a big year. You know, and then there's all the like Jalen hurts Caleb Williams, Trevor Lawrence, Justin Herbert. And then Drake May just kind of sitting there as a guy who was the number two quarterback in fantasy last year, almost on the MVP.

31:55And they added AJ Brown and Romeo Dobbs. And he's going later on. Well, he's just going. I mean, he's not going later, obviously. Like he's he's going later than he finished last year. Yes. Which I would argue he's, is can you name another quarterback who's going in the top 10, whose situation improved better than Drake Mays? Maybe Justin Herbert. I am a little afraid that Drake May is kind of in retrospect the most obvious pick in fantasy. Like all these other guys have coordinator changes and your Drake May just gets another year of Josh McDaniel. Yes, totally. You're doing the system. He ran for like 500 yards less year, only four of them were touchdowns. It's only the third year of his career. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like it could still get a lot better. And I guess I would say Herbert is the only one you could really say has dramatically improved situation because of McDaniel. But Drake May making it work last year with DiMario Douglas and Kishan Bouti and Stefan Diggs and whatever. And now he does get a good word.

32:56Diggs and Bouti are now gone. And they've completely revamped their receiver. And he's just like sitting there. My point is like, if you haven't heard a lot about AJ Brown or about Drake May, I think you should still like aggressively draft him. The one thing that I do. I've been saying late quarterback. I've been saying it probably the most. But then we become ubiquitous. I mean, Drake May going outside the top 45 picks. Suddenly he's like, oh. The one thing I do worry about with May, not that I think he's going to regress from a football point of view. From a fantasy point of view, he had a league high 62 scrambles last year. Think about that. Like he scribbled more than Josh Allen Patrick, well, Holmes, Justin Herbert, Baker, Trevor, like he was scrambling. Basically, I think their offense was just dropback. If you don't, like if you missed your first reader to take off. Figure it out. It's an offensive line issue. I also like, it's not like it's not like the rushing was a huge part of his fan. I mean, like 400 yards rushing is cool. It's four touchdowns. It's not like, I mean, it is a big deal.

33:57I think to, no, I mean, four to guards is not nothing. I do think to DK's point though, it is a funny dynamic though with younger quarterbacks, which kind of like Jackson starts to example this of because fantasy football, the rules are stupid and rushing yards are worth more than passing yards. I'm just saying it's dumb. He averaged four rushing points per game. It's a four rushing fantasy points per game, but there was that was 11th. Like there was not like, yeah, I know, but I'm just keep thinking about the Sunday football game they played where after he went like 20 of 23 or something. And then after the game, they were like, hey, you were like perfect the first half of the thing. He was like, no, I wasn't. And they're like, yeah, no, you completely pass. Yeah, but like when we go to grade it, there were a couple open throws that I didn't see in time. So I just had to run totally. And like a funny thing that happens is sometimes getting better at quarterback and actually being learning where to find a check down instead of just bailing and end up getting 12 yards rushing learning to play quarterback. Sometimes it actually makes you like slightly less valuable in fantasy when you're not just being Jackson Dart being like first second go. I'm not saying I'm not that worried about it with Drake May, but I think it's a funny thing that happens. Yes, I think what we'll learn is like, will he ever will they ever use him in the end

35:02zone? Like they use Josh Allen. Like is he going to be the guy who like the keeper scrambles in three or four touchdowns a year? Or is there ever a chance that and I think we find we'll find out this year where it's like, oh, no, he could get you like eight to 12 because it's huge and they use him like that. I am a little worried after talking about late quarterback all year that Drake may just turn that to be a great fourth round pick. Like maybe that would have been easier to Drake may season last year was kind of insane. 4400, 4400 yards, 31 touchdowns, eight picks, another 450 rushing yards schedule. I mean, it was a we're we we are still underrating what he did, I think. Schedules easy. He made the Super Bowl and came second in. It's fine. I know Bill claims that he didn't even have to try and half the fourth quarters. He was like now more competitive games. He might put up more stuff. Right. That's like the Jalen Hertz thing where he scored. So remember back a couple of years ago when Jalen Hertz would have like six you'd have like six points by the third quarter and in the fourth quarter, he would score like 15. Yeah. Uh, similar to Drake, man, I just want to mention Bonyx is just another quarterback.

36:05We really haven't talked to the ankle injury and everything with Broncos. He's just for a bunch of confidence and reasons. He just haven't talked about him and you know, we've talked a lot about Kyler Murray, but Bonyx is like the other quarterback. You can just get really late as a rushing option. I know his ankles a thing, but I the quarterbacks that end up and I don't know if you guys have seen otherwise people when they're always were like talking about who are the 12th quarter backs going to be because someone's going to be back in quarterback of Patrick Mahomes and Matt Stafford and Bonyx and like there's one of those guys are not going to start. And the ladies I'm in shockingly people want Patrick Mahomes and Matt Stafford over Bonyx. So Bonyx falls. And that is just a good example of a boring player that never comes up on a team that's probably going to be really good. He had the most pass attempts at the NFL last season. And despite the ankle issue, I think it's like the odds of his recovery and how much he'll be able to run is like appropriately priced as a high upside backup quarterback that won't cost you very much. He's like pretty good in fantasy and he's just the other guy we haven't talked about a lot, but he's a part. He's a good example like why maybe waiting on quarterbacks a good or people get Josh and

37:07you're like man, you can get Bonyx and Kyler Murray like really, really, really easily. And one of them might just straight up be a top seven quarterback for first half for the second half of the season. Nice guy who's again coming back into the same system. He had an upgrade. They brought in Jalen Waddle. He has like a very solid unit around him. And you're just like, yeah, this is kind of like a healthy, safe environment. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. One of the offensive lines. Yes. We don't know what the play collar. I think he's good. I don't know what the variable there. I had what to do with that. I don't know. I don't know. I've all the play callers that. You're going from a Hall of Fame coach to Davis web. We have a sterling reputation. Sure. But I think, well, yeah, I think Davis web like Sean Payt has helped with his own reputation. But I do think that of all the coordinator changes, having some guy that was like, I don't know, you look at some former quarterbacks calling place for the first time all this stuff. Sean Payt and choosing to give up play calling to Davis web is different to me than

38:09the old coordinator being fired and then I'm keeping someone else like it is different to me that Sean Payt will be there. And I know it's like, oh, the joke is going to be, well, when's he going to take it back? I get that. But he is there. And so I do think that that I don't think is be a little more faith in the whole process. This episode is brought to you by Google Chrome. You think you know a browser, but Gemini and Chrome, that's new. It can help you with practically anything on the web like restoring a vintage motorcycle from a 50 page restoration block or finally break down that long article you've had opened for weeks. And I and Chrome is here for it ready to make anything online makes sense. There's no place like Chrome. Check responses set up require compatibility and availability. Very 16 plus. The Ringer fantasy football show is sponsored by Fandall before the season. Every team is undefeated. Every fan believes this could be the year. The year their team wins the division makes the playoffs lifts the trophy and with Fandall you can bet on any of it from who will win it all and division winners to season win totals and playoff futures.

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40:13These guys are getting talked about, but it's late breaking. Just the package running backs. Josh Jacobs missed somewhere between six games. Maybe the whole season, but Marshall and Lloyd being drafted like, you know, people kind of know he ends up going probably around that. You the hubbredish range sometimes earlier. I don't love him there just because Marshall went to seven touches in two years. And if Marshall Lloyd ends up being a healthy running back across the whole season, I'm like actually genuinely happy for him. He's at a very difficult road, but I don't really want that to happen on my team because he I think the secrets out of the bag. I do kind of just think Caleb Johnson is going to be like the waiver wire hero of the year. I don't know if he's even going to be active for week one, but I kind of think Caleb Johnson who ended up from the Steelers going to the Packers at some point will just take up a pretty good amount of this job. And so he is another player that if you're in a 12 or deeper league, he's worth picking up minimum radar, but I'm like, he's kind of mocked. He's frayed. Johnson. He's frayed. We're looking at a photo of him and Packers practice with Marshall Lloyd. He's like six inches tall.

41:13It's like the Derrick. Derrick Henry, Marking Room picture. It is. Yeah, he's like, he's a big guy. I yeah. So Caleb Johnson, I just the upside, frankly, is so much higher because Marshall Lloyd, basically, it would be cool if he went. It's like Jonathan Brooks. If he had seven touches in two years and then it's just bell cow, great. But at some point, that's almost borderline reckless from a team to be like, this guy who can barely do anything is just going to get like all these touches. I don't know. So I can't Caleb Johnson's impossible to figure that out. No. And so I'd rather take the guy who doesn't cost it. How long would you hold on to Caleb Johnson when the season starts if he's not doing a problem? So I think we have to do it for a couple of weeks because he just got there. You got to give it probably a month. That's the issue. And so I think the reason I think it's, and again, it depends on your league. Like I'm not saying you should know, like if Michael Pittman's the last guy on your bench, and that's how whatever the size of your league, I wouldn't cut Michael Pittman for like Caleb Johnson to be clear. Right. It does depend on the size. It's one of those where it, I think it's because if Marshall Lloyd gets hurt in a week one, then you're like, oh my God, Caleb Johnson might be the starter and you just added him for free. And I hate to say that about Marshall Lloyd, but he's never been healthy.

42:15Like it's never happened in the NFL. And I, I think it's, it can be a deeper league thing. The other person I'll throw at Devon Vale for the Saints. Sure. Who is he starting Saints received? Truly the first time we've mentioned him. And I just want to throw it out. Another guy where if you're kind of just going through your draft, you look up, you're like, oh my God, I have four receivers. And one of them's injured and I just might not, I don't have the backup receiver anymore. Devon Vale is starting for the Saints. Jordan Tyson's out two to three months of the hamstring injury and it's going to be Chris Olave, Devon Vale and then Joanne Johnson. We've talked a lot about Joanne Johnson. That's one of the note. Devon Vale is literally the cheapest starting receiver who will play in two receiver sets in the NFL and fantasy football. Vale. So we have a, we have a Saints Tyler Schuck sample size with Vale who last year for like a five week stretch was very good and productive. And he's playing like he will play and start and he's not drafted any. Vale, Vale is one of those ones that's interesting because he was productive when he was given opportunities with the Broncos and then they traded the Saints traded two picks for him. Yeah. Not like high picks, but you know, they gave up two assets to get this guy. Yeah. Like six, five, two, ten, he was a seventh round pick only two years ago.

43:18He's really old. He's 28 years old. Yeah, he's really old. He's someone that if you've already drafted and you're like, I kind of need a receiver early, like, or like if a book is out, like just go add. Craig, didn't you, you drafted him in your homelink? I did. I thought, I saw that pick and I was like, that could be really interesting just because like one dollar, one, one dart at the end of the, at the end of the draft, you might see guy who gets like a 20% target. That's the other thing. Not the healthiest. Right. So two of the more volatile injury people in the league. So I think with that said, my dollar all start team is Caleb Johnson who I don't think will get drafted, but could be huge for the Packers to Vaughn Valey for the Saints. I mentioned Eddie Mitchell in the Jets. Terence Ferguson on the Rams. All these guys are available really late. And last one, I'll just mentioning, I'm not quite as late as those guys. Chris Rodriguez for the Jaguars. There's a coin toss. Yeah. Running back for the Jaguars. Coin toss flip that he's just the starting running back for the Jaguars. Leads them in touches, carries and snaps. The fact that he played for the Jaguars in the morning. He's going to be for Cohen in back in the days. College. Yeah. And it's not like Kentucky. I'm not guaranteeing that he's going to lead the Jaguars and all those stats in week one.

44:18But I feel like it is closer to a coin flip than a lock that Basial Tutin is just the bell cow for the Jaguars. And I think liquid Allen is probably going to take passing down work, but he's already been injured. And I think the passing down is going to be split between split between liquid Allen and Chris Rodriguez. And early down will be split between Chris Rodriguez and Basial Tutin. And then any engine and Alan's already hurt. So I just think Chris Rodriguez is for whatever reason going like seven or eight rounds after Basial Tutin. Absolutely worth a lay-round fire. Yeah. And if he sucks and you got him, but it's really cheap. So anyway, those are my players to talk about. Those are the guys sitting alone at lunch. Eatin like pudding. Putting. What's your fuck Mary Kill on these guys? Oh. The ones you want to. Okay, so I have Godwin May and Breeze. I mean, it's so easy to set. I guess I'll marry Drake May that kind of feels like a cop out. I thought this was easy for you. I don't know. Do I dare say I would fuck a jet? That sounds crazy to me. You know what I mean?

45:19I'm like, Godwin. That no context. That's just great. Chris Godwin's famously a wonderful guy. He's saying I should marry him. He's just a lovely guy. The video of him and his now wife, the winning the Super Bowl. There's students, no angels in the confetti. He's a lovely guy. I would, I'm going to marry Drake May. I'm going to fuck Chris Godwin. I'll kill Breeze Hall. I think that's the way to answer. Do you care? Well, I got Devonte Adams, T Higgins and Ted McMillan, their tea back. Who? Kind of tough. I don't know what to do with this, really. All right, hyphids. Our new insight joke will be been here for two weeks is when we're having a hard time like filling out a category like when we went on bill Craig just Craig's whole thing is just, well, I guess you can just say you didn't think of one. You can just say I don't know. The guy you're most worried about this year, I didn't, I couldn't think of one. That's me in the real hospital. I didn't know how to do that. Oh, Lex Catech, I'm like, oh, actually, I guess I have to just fucking say something. This is longer than I thought. I am going to just know that this is extremely important.

46:22Right. There's the stakes are high. Fuck Mary Kills the most important thing we do every year. So please focus. I'm going to Mary T. Mac, fuck T. Higgins and killed a lot of Adams old yellow room. Yeah, he's had his. Oh, the yellow room. All right. He's like the old guy sacrifices him at the end of the movie. He's like, I had my run. Yeah. Like the holy guy garden, the holy grail. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I couldn't think I couldn't think of anything. On this one, I couldn't think of anything. I just want to see you do that on a rewatch. All right, Craig, what takes the best for you? I'm like, ah, nothing. I don't know. Anyway, who's up? You can go. I'm going to Mary Terrence Ferguson. What are the options? I need to know. Oh, sorry. Well, I have a bunch of your prospects. I don't know. Don't count the one year, guys. The $1, right? You have, you have, who do you have? Well, I have like four Steelers and $41, guys. Well, you have Bonyx. You have a little on Bonyx. You have, let's do this. You have Bonyx as one. Jalen Warren is one and Michael Pittman is one.

47:23Oh my God. I love it. You have to really critically think about it. I'll like fuck Jalen Warren, Mary Bonyx, and I will kill Michael Pittman. Really? Yeah, but I kind of like, I kind of just want Mary all three. You made him think twice. I didn't think about it. No, that's against the game. Of course not. No, you're right. No, I'm going to, I'm going to Mary. I couldn't decide. I couldn't decide. No, I'm going to, this one Bill, I couldn't decide. I'm going to Mary Bonyx, because I don't want to Mary to the Steelers. I don't want to, you know, Steelers marriage. I don't know. I'm marrying Bill next. Okay. Fucking Jalen Warren, I'm killing Michael Pittman. Oh, that's fine. I think that's the same order. The last time. You can't say anything for the first time. That's a very killing thing. Who won the movie? I'm like, ooh. Fuck, I don't know. What do you think? It's a really good fight. The first thing Bill ever told me, have a take. That's right.

48:52I think that the bar is like, it's a weird word to use for what lawyers have to pass. I don't know. Literally, all those. Did you pass the bar? Did you clear the bar? Did you clear the bar? You don't say clear the bar. Well, yeah, I know. I just think it's weird that like, you have to pay for your bar. Yeah. You have to pay your bar, dude. So on this note, I also want people to email us take purges, because we want your take purge out of the purge. And there's a Discord channel. Please go to the Discord channel and join. And you can have your, there's a take purge channel that'll exist for a week. A few days left by the time you join this and please join the Discord. You can do the take purges and someone's take purge, which is now perfect. Now I'm going to say it. I forget the name is you shouldn't have to take a shit. You just shit. You just give a shit. And you got to take anything. Oh, you give a shit. You're like, why do you take it? Yeah, there's people say I got to go take a shit. Like, you're not taking anything. That's definitely the wrong word. That is mind blowing. Is that what? Is that what? When your thoughts are trapped in a bottle. I'm going to go take a shit. That's making sense. Why did you think about it for even a second?

49:52It makes no sense. Yeah, but when you say I'm going to go take a nap. Are you, you're taking sleep? I don't know. Take is a really personal word. I guess you are taking sleep. I don't know what it means. You're not taking sleep anymore than you're taking a shit. But you are literally depositing something when you're taking a shit. Like you're getting rid of it. You're getting. The nap is met. You're depositing. Yeah. I'm going to go drop a load. What's your, what's your favorite euphemism for taking a shit? Laysome cable, maybe. I've not heard that one. I don't think I've heard that one. Lays, laid cable. I like to drop the kids off of the pool. Yeah. It's an old classic. My friends, we just quote, there's a Rick and Morty line where it's like, he's just by blowing up. We're going to take a shit. And it's just like over and over. That's a good point. Take a shit. Doesn't really make sense. Laysome cable. All right, this one's from Ethan. Ethan. Ibone. Yeah. Ask for uh, palms. We want to know about germs. How to work and what the deal is because you know it's 80s month or whatever we do.

50:55What are we call it? Most 80s song possible month. Yeah. Right. The 80s were sick. Yeah. Great 80s song month. And then obviously immediately we just started seeing palms. So then Ethan wrote in about perms. Great. And Ethan said I'd like to share some knowledge about perms and my qualifications are one. I am a man who has gotten a perm and two I also have a PhD in chemistry. Oh, that is going to be in perming Better what is PhD stand for pretty huge dick. No, it's a county line. I don't I don't actually know That was like real seventh grade. What do you think back to me? Honorary duck Honorary doctorate. It's what is the PN PhD honor? Well, it Pay professor of honorary doctorate says doctor of philosophy. That doesn't make any sense Latin philosophy doctorate. Oh, it's lat oh a PhD's Latin It's like an RX. What did you say honorary doctorate wouldn't be honorary? It's an action. I don't know making shit up. So I figured out it just denotes the highest level of academic achievement

52:00I didn't know is Latin. Did you guys know? Whatever philosophy doctorate doctorate doctorate of philosophy is what that means because it's a lowercase H It's PhD is philosophy is the doctor and then the H stands for nothing Interesting Who what was the other person isn't someone just middle name the initial doesn't stand for anything? Harry S. Truman is that right? Yeah, that's just an S. He just threw it in there for good measure parents did oh Oh, it's actually his legal name. Yeah, it's just Oh, I thought he added that for for flare. Oh, you think so well I thought that's what you were less with the Aman Raus St Brown did their last image is brown and then his dad made it's St Brown actually Oh, yeah, yeah, he's dad's Brown and he was like St Brown will be better branding when the kids make the NFL and his wife was like you're fucking nuts Well his maybe you're just said this because I was reading about PhDs But his dad was like mr. Universe. Yes, we should bring him into our name brand company because he's got good ideas He is good. He's he's he's wild honestly. It's actually great. I didn't know that about Harry S

53:02Anyway, so Ethan wrote about perms. That's a Harry S. Truman. You got there. Oh Ethan writes perms are of course very popular amongst women, but they're also very popular amongst Asian men And he says in recent years perms have become much trendier amongst all men whether Asian or not to do the rise in influence of K-pop in popular Culture so he says here's how perms work the structure of straight hair is held together by what we call I'm gonna try die sulfide bonds and the die sulfide refers to two sulfur atoms Which are held together a strong bond? Decades pants together. These listening so hard. So during a perm the hairdresser will put your hair into rollers The size of the rollers to are determined by how big or small your waves or curls will be how big a curls you go and if you do this Probably 14. Yeah, maybe it maybe a nine-seed yeah The hairdresser will then put the perms solution into your hair and the perms solution contains ammonium Fyaglyclyclycelate Definitely just piss which is a chemical solution more sulfur in it piss

54:03You imagine if that was what happened Yeah, anyway continue and be well. He says here. I don't think I've really really thought about this But I guess it really smells like smells really bad like like salt. Yeah, piss because your burning yeah You're burning a hair in sulfur with piss with piss Burn hair smells horrible so then without getting two into the chemistry and making this is still ether not Obviously without getting two into the chemistry and making it complicated the sulfur in the perms solution Breaks the die sulfide bonds in your hair Which loosens the structure of your hair and allows it to take the shape of the rollers making it wavy or curly And then a second neutralizing solution then reforms the die sulfide bonds in the wavy orientation So you can't yeah So you can't yeah, so you can't wash your hair for three days or else the hair will not set right as we all know from legally blonde So they curl it and then they freeze it essentially yeah Well, you're saying doesn't sound that different to me than like somebody curling their hair You know what I mean? We just like put the curlers in you hold it for a while you get a hot and it stays there

55:05But adding the chemical to hold it yeah for days So locking it in place here's the rub you your hair smells for three days. Oh wow your hair stinks like how long does it last? Oh, I'm glad you asked after that you can do whatever you want maintenance was different between long and short hair hair dressers will push curly hair products on it On a perm to preserve the curl if you have longer hair, which is probably half legit half marketing Ethan says for me in my short hair I just went back to using normal hair products everything was fine perm does not stand for permanent much like PhD I guess there's my doctorate. I don't know these bonds will not reform and will restrate in your hair They will not reform and restrate in your hair of a time However, people long hair the curls will just loosen over time three to six months due to gravity Which makes it seem like the perm is wearing off and then for people with shorter hair your hair just grows fast enough That you eventually just need the curl parts cut so the permanently only lasts for one to three months of short hair So what is perm stand for? I don't know Didn't say that was the only thing we wanted

56:07Ha ha ha ha he told us it didn't stand for permanent but didn't tell us what it's I guess that is the only thing we technically asked for what does perms stand for you guys ever seen the movie shampoo? No, very long time ago. I feel like I'm baby. Yeah, it's good Should we just not look it up with perms stands for and see if someone else will tell us? Uh, yeah, yeah, someone else or Ethan follow someone tell us what the perms is if it's not permanent It's like permanent press like a laundry setting What do you say? Wikipedia Wikipedia says permanent wait, what else does permean that's the only one Wikipedia we got we got to take it up with Wikipedia right PhD No, okay, he earned it all right Also, that was a good explanation Okay, other than the perm thing right The only last thing I wanted to ask you guys was just this coi thing happened if we didn't talk about it yet And I just kind of just read you one tweet. I don't even know if you guys give a shit and we'll cut this So Dan Wetzel posted just

57:09What I've been waiting for this all at all the cost obviously quite landed had all these things the cost to acquire Quy Leonard net everything it costs to like the trade the punishments everything here's what Quy Leonard has cost the clippers The 2021 first run pick they're 2022 first run pick they're 2023 first run pick a swap of a 2023 first run pick a 2024 first run pick 2025 first run pick swap I'm just gonna keep going first run pick in 2029 first run pick in 2030 first run pick in 2031 First run pick in 2032 and a first run pick in 2033 in addition They also lost Shay Gilges Alexander who literally won the end won the MVP twice and an NBA championship as the best player in the team Danilo Gallonari 30 million dollars in cash got people the ownership suspended for a year And then during that time let it quiet Leonard missed on average 30 games this season So that that's bad. I think exactly I'll call it like the like the biggest calamity and NBA history Calamity that's something why I brought it up

58:10I was like minus all the like Dishon Watson crimes I'm like I think the worst trade in infallistry is the Dishon Watson trade and then I think Quy is the worst one in NBA History and they happened like two and a half years apart. God. This is wild 10 first round picks in two first run picks Waps they lost and they lost the MVP they lost almost two decades So they they gave up like five for yeah, yeah, yeah five to get it four or five to get him and then they had to give up five with this with this Jesus That's wild. He'll do you up though When he's a big ass. I'm like anyone else. Yeah You know all right Long trip I know that's it. That's it. Los Angeles baby. I know we did it. We did a lot of this was the most recordings we've ever done in two weeks We did a live show we did a live Draft on Netflix right we did Bill show We did recipe club. Yep. We did the rewatchable. Yeah, we've been frigging all over the place. Yeah, and we're gonna He's new Hollywood office, which is great. It's sweet sweet. Yeah, four episodes a week

59:13We're gonna have Sunday recaps. We're gonna have Monday waivers trivia and we're also gonna like help you with waivers forget who to add so it's like you're like I'm not at a Caleb Johnson in the week two will be like add that guy We're gonna tell you who to add because you're not done with the draft like you know if you win You usually add up make a bunch of waiver picks throughout the year We'll help you those trade advice power hours all that stuff recap in the season Friday season weekly previews everything And then we'll cover like the beginning of the week. It's a weird to share it starts on Wednesday So see how it's Patriots is Wednesday night. We'll have a preview of course it was Rams Wednesday Baby Thursday, so we're gonna recap all that stuff So thank you to everyone who's been listening to this preseason we've take purge coming Monday take purge on Monday Maybe that's maybe the most fun thing we do all years to take purge. It was great. We recorded it today and It was spicy. It was fun. Yeah, thank you to take a pepsid That's how spicy it was So thank you to everyone. Thank you to Nikhil. Thank you to Cam. Thank you to Austin. Thank you to everyone Who's been helping us all week honestly. Yeah, like just the amount of people here at Sikimora. I mean I mean, I can't even remember putting down the sets and setting up the sets and getting everything prep for all the shows doing the recordings

1:00:17Doing the audio doing all the lighting of full team effort and we're appreciative to everybody who helped us Yeah, it's really really awesome to come here. So thank you to everybody and but of course There's only I mean the person who is the most responsible for the last two weeks as always. Thank you Lord Lord SNL coming back soon. Oh season 52 have they announced who's Like the lineup first month or whatever now they haven't So do you think oh You're talking about the hosts. Yeah, um, I don't think they've done that I think there's gonna be a lot of first time people like I think the girl from obsession Indian avarides probably gonna host Kind of give other first time people who have kind of popped out I want the real question is if Tom Cruise will host He's never done it and he has a huge movie coming out this year. Mm-hmm Jiggar and he's doing a lot of press Tom Cruise on us and it'll be awesome. Oh my gosh That would be that would be incredible. Why has he never done it? Just doesn't like that live. Oh, interesting Some people know what I mean less is more Kind of I mean Leo doesn't do TV. It's like Tom Cruise. It's like you see me in a movie theater. That's it. Yeah, it's kind of vibe

1:01:23Wait, you didn't do a band. Oh, yeah Um, I couldn't think of one 80s. Yeah Yeah, no, I was looking at I just kind of couldn't Uh, yeah 80s month One of my favorite 80 songs that sounds incredibly 80s. Oh, throw it on in the car if you're listening to this pot right now the second it's over tosses on dude Bonnie Tyler Totally clips of the heart. Oh, yeah, ripper of a song. That was not what I expected holy shit. How does it go? Totally clips of the hot. I really need you tonight For ever Forever's gonna start tonight. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know that he goes every now and then I get a little bit like Yeah, it's amazing. It's like such a small build so many movies to turn around

1:02:26Brought us every now and then I turn up And I need you more tonight. It bang. I fucking need you more I need you more Like did he just fuck Such a good 80 song. Oh, man. Total a close to the heart was not what I was expecting. That was a way out of the great. I'm keeping you guessing 1983 good year. Ladies are different. Bonnie Tyler. Yeah Look at that hair look at that hair on Bonnie. That's a perm. I think yeah, I think so well, maybe not I don't know oh She died a month ago. Oh, damn RIP wow RIP Thanks. She was from she's Welsh Didn't know that I know IP Bonnie man, but we're losing legends We're losing recipes Well, totally clips of the heart throw it on honor Bonnie. It's great. Yeah, you know Bonnie's a name. I think she'd come back I do like the name Bonnie. I think the name Bonnie's cute. It's mine short for something. There's not the full name bonita

1:03:27Bonita could call. Yeah, it's all right. Yeah, Bonnie. Yeah, it's funny My late grandmother's name was Bonnie, but like I called her grandma Obviously, and I knew her name was Bonnie, but like I don't know when I'm nine you know It was not until like recently where I was like what was my grandma's like name? What is what is Bonnie actually stand for short for it in bonita You have to grow up a little bit till you'd be like so my grandmother. She was like she had like a life She like had a whole thing. Her name's not just just grandma. Huh. Yeah, interesting I guess it's kind of made cookies and washed me sometimes Goodbye, everyone 21 plus in present in select states for Kansas and affiliation with Kansas,

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