The A&G Replay Monday Hour Two

0:00This is an I Heart Podcast. Guaranteed Human. Thank you so much for tuning in today. This is an Armstrong and getting replayed. We're taking a bit of time off for the Labor Day weekend. What's Labor Day? Nobody knows. Eh! Who's gonna stop me from taking the day off? Nobody. It's on the calendar. Our company gives it to us. So we took it. Enjoy the Armstrong and get your replay. I kind of hate reading and I hate text because it encourages trolls. And the trolls, you trolls. I honestly feel sorry for you.

1:00Put a horrible way to go through life. But, um, This is a person tried to leave a voicemail and it showed up on the text line in print. I just wanted to leave a simple message. I don't know how in the hell you two idiots ever got a radio show. But then I found that you're from California. So you should take your liberal mentality back to liberal California where you belong. Somebody who listens to us and takes us as being liberals. We're too far left. I think I probably said something critical about Trump or something. That they went crazy. Probably right. Yeah. Okay. So always fun and enlightening to talk to one of our favorite crusaders for liberty and constitutional rights on a station. Bowden senior attorney for equality and opportunity at the Pacific Legal Foundation hosted the very popular in descent podcast on a station. It joins us now. How are you doing? Great. It's always nice to be called delightful first thing in the morning. Oh, yes. Yes. Trust me. I don't have to deal with that. So yeah, he doesn't get that at all on neither do I.

2:00So I've got to admit following the the mail in voting back and forth in the courts lately. I haven't paid that much attention to it because I figured the courts have figured out. You're going steroids. What it is. Oh, Lord. And the whole back and forth over election integrity and stolen elections and stuff. So could you please tell us what's going on and where it sits at this point? Yeah, there is a lot of chatter about is election integrity important? Is it really at risk? But you know, for me, the real issue is does the president have any control over this? Because in March, the president issued an executive order directing federal agencies to develop a citizenship verification system. And then also for the USPS to issue some new nationwide ballots. And this scared the states because the states thought, well, this is traditionally our prerogative. And what are we going to have to do to help implement this program? Are we going to have to establish our own voter rolls to make sure that the federal government is not getting it wrong?

3:00Is the federal government not going to send out mail in ballots to us if our voter rolls differ from theirs? And so the state sued. That's why the Supreme Court has been asked during its summer vacation to step in and put the program on hold. But the court said, this is all too early. We don't even know what the federal government is going to do. Sometimes you get these big proclamations from the president, but in practice, they're not really doing much. So it said, hey, states, we need to just wait and see what they actually do before you can challenge the constitutionality of it all. So was the ruling the Supreme Court came out with last week or the week before? Was that in Trump's favor or against Trump? Those that I didn't even follow it. Yeah, it was in Trump's favor for now. All of the headlines, you know, were the Supreme Court gives Trump another victory. That's the administration move forward. But the thing is it let the administration move forward for now. It explicitly said, we're not taking any position on the merits of any of this. We just don't want to consider it until we actually know what the administration is doing in practice versus what it's saying it's going to do.

4:01Gotcha. So the media coverage was an attempt to make it seem like it's an out of control. Trump court once again, which is one of their favorite themes. Yeah, for usual. We're getting pretty close to election time too. I mean, there are practical considerations here, right? It's true. The administration really needs to move quickly now. And that's actually why Justice Jackson descended. And she said, hey, I think you're creating chaos. You're creating a problem because courts have this doctrine where they don't want to step in once it gets too close to the election. So she's saying, hey, you're kicking the can, but there's not that much time left. And if we wait too long, you're going to say it's too late. So she thought the court was kind of putting the states in a catch 22 situation. Well, just in general, my personal position, I wish we could go back to voting day, maybe make it two days. We all go vote in person showing that you care and just eliminate practically everything else. I know that's never going to happen. That's what I would like to have happened. But like MSNBC after this ruling came out, they're, uh, they're leading us watching on that night.

5:05He tied it to civil war soldiers voting by mail, which I guess is the first voting by mail because we had soldiers in the field. So Donald Trump is against what allowed Union soldiers to hang on to their constitutional right to vote to defend this union. I thought man, you are stretching to the dumbest level. Oh boy. So here's a question for you. It's kind of a hypothetical on a stage. If it became because the states do have the prerogative to run voting in the way they see fit. But if some made up salvania decided, you know, we got all these illegals here and we know which way they'll vote or, you know, or, or, you know, if we just like don't check off that somebody's voted once, we can let people vote a bunch of different times. And it becomes clear a state is really involved in malfeasance. Then would it just be a civil rights issue and the feds could move in? What would happen?

6:07Yeah, that's already illegal. That is illegal. And so again, a lot of this was bluster because in the executive order Trump says, hey, I'm directing DOJ to prioritize prosecuting state officials who give out ballots to people who are eligible. And the states say, oh, that's upending the whole system. We're scared out of prosecution. But that was already illegal. Certainly the federal government has the power to come in and stop. And even though this is initially states prerogative, Congress could always come in and pass some new laws and tighten election integrity. But you know, yeah, they don't like they don't like to do work. So that we'll see see about that one. But this is again, the failure of Congress to do anything. And that's what causes, you know, the other branches to sort of spiral out of control. Yeah, well, my biggest concern is, is it's just the election is getting longer. People are starting to vote what next week in an November election in some places. And I know it's incredibly early some places. And then you've got the weird thing like we just had in California where then some states counties, whatever came up with this idea that we don't open them and start counting until we get them all.

7:10And then it might be a month before you get the results, which obviously damages election integrity because then nobody believes the results. And it's just it's all about your ballot harvesting pa. Do ballot harvesting too. And you got that problem. Yeah, I think whatever whatever we can all debate about how much fraud is present each election, but no matter what, none of this is a good look for the integrity of the election. What happened with Spencer Pratt, you know, and a couple days later, all those those ballots roll in and wildly change the the trajectory of the election. That's just not a good look for anyone. Doesn't make us feel good about our elections, regardless of what you think happened. And then you get the weird flip a roux on the politics of it, where for when not going back to the Civil War era, but more recently, mail-in voting become really popular with Republicans because they want all the oldsters to vote because they all they tend to vote Republican. And it was a big Republican push for mail-in voting. Then Trump, because of the stolen election using my finger quotes, turned it around and made it a big mail-in ballot.

8:10And ballot is horrible sort of thing. So the politics has changed. Yeah, yeah, everyone cares about election integrity when it suits them. Is it true? Because I threw this out to somebody and they were flabbergasted. Isn't that true that a lot of at least going back to when Joe Biden was using phrases like Jim Crow on steroids or Jimmy or whatever bulless he said. A lot of the voting restrictions that got discussed a lot were just trying to go back to the pre-COVID era. We loosened up a lot for COVID as we obviously had to. Then we tried to go back to what it was before and then that was portrayed as restricting voter or turning back civil rights or that sort of thing. You know, I'm not sure, but I do know that that you know, even the slightest change does get blown out of proportion. There's all that talk about IDs and requiring IDs are discriminatory. But then you see mom Donnie and New York City saying for their ridiculous socialized grocery stores, they're going to require IDs. So you know, our IDs discriminatory or not. I think, you know, it just depends again. Yeah, what time?

9:10Who's in charge? What administration is in charge and who you're asking? The Honest Asia Bowdoin of the Pacific Legal Foundation. Honest Asia, how much do you hate the idea of government grocery stores? Oh, I, it hurts me to the core. Although, you know, maybe what hurts me more is right before that mom Donnie had announced they want to do subsidized babysitting. Did you hear that? No, explain to me how that's supposed to be. Yeah, we will be all paying to a fund to help parents have subsidized babysitting by the states that they can go have a little me time or whatever. How is this the state's biz I don't what's worse that are the grocery stores. I don't know. Well, wealth redistribution. So our friend Tim Sanifer who we have on a lot and when we first started having him on, he was with your organization, Pacific Legal Foundation. We asked him lots of questions about just general lost of some time. And I think we've asked you this. Do you have a current favorite Supreme Court justice? Sitting Supreme Court justice or a favorite all time or both. Oh, I mean, I can name a justice for all occasions and what way they're my favorite. I think right now I, I, no one's put none of them are perfect, right?

10:19And I appreciate things about each of the ones, even if I disagree with them, like I think Justice Kagan is a terrific writer. She asks amazing hypotheticals, even though I, you know, rarely actually agree with her. And same with Justice Gorsuch right now, I think he's a great writer. I think he has the right idea about federalism and individual rights. But, you know, he's not perfect either. He likes to focus on structure, the structure of government, whereas I like to focus on rights. I think structure is not enough. Like yes, we can focus more on let's say state should do more rather than the federal government, but states mess up too. And at that point, we have to step it and actually look at the substance of what they're doing. And Justice Gorsuch doesn't want to do that. He just wants to focus on, on structure. But anyway, it's all to say in general, I think I think he's certainly one of the finest justices on the bench right now. Isn't Tim's eight to put words into mouth. I'm wrong. Tim's favorite is Clarence Thomas or was back in the day last time I asked him. That's you know, he's my former boss. I should know. But maybe you know, in recent years, Thomas has been wanting justices to get to do less and less and less.

11:24And I think on the whole, both Tim and I favor, Justice is doing more to protect our rights. So I don't know where just as Thomas stands right now in Tim's estimation. What's your favorite all time? Oh, all time. Oh, that's a tough one. I do like, I do like Justice Kennedy. I know that's going to sound crazy, but I actually did. Yeah, I know. I know. I'm sorry. I think he had libertarian tendencies. He really did. If you look at it, the way that he spoke, even though it was kind of fluffy. I would always explain why provisions of the Constitution matter for liberty. Like a lot of people just take, you know, some of the structural provisions or whatever the requirements, they just think they exist to exist. And Justice Kennedy always made an effort to explain why those things are there to protect the individual from the government. And I appreciate that about him. Who do you like in a fair fight? Marbury or Madison? A constitutional law humor there for everybody. It's not very good. On a stasia boat of the Pacific Legal Foundation. It's always fun to talk. Thanks so much for the time.

12:33Hey, thanks for having me always sure. It's amazing that you can have teachers make loss, sobering and dry and then talk to like on a stasia and Tim and they make it super interesting. It's just home delivery. Yeah, I've said this before. I'll say it again. Probably again after this. I'm an old guy. That's what we do. Making history boring is an achievement on par with developing penicillin or developing space travel. You've got to work so hard to make history boring. It's really amazing when people achieve that. You're strong. You can get a show. Art Strong and Getty. Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. The Armstrong and Getty show. I think you make a son. What percentage of the population do you think uses jargon? Trying to sound smart or buzzy?

13:44I don't know. And what percentage of us are really annoyed by it? Or can't could never say it without being ironic. Just I'm just like I'm not built to say any of those things seriously. If you're surrounded by it constantly, it seeps into your vocabulary and I don't hate everybody who for instance says I don't have the bandwidth for that. I actually do say bandwidth quite a bit because it's such a good description. Yeah, I got to admit I've strait of cross the line. I've used it. But things like circle back or put a pin in that. There's just a gazillion different ways to say that. And yeah, that's just a signaling that you're part of a certain kind of crowd. I've got lots of successful friends who use all those terms because that's how you signal that you're at the top of the heap of understanding that's or stuff. I guess. And I've known some cops and military guys who throw around jargon and they should know you have no idea what that means. And they should also know if they know they know that and use it anyway.

14:49You have to ask them so they can demonstrate their expertise. That's incredibly annoying and jivey. Just say it. Anyway, here's your top business jargon phrases that people have grown to hate according to Wall Street Journal readers bandwidth. That's number one. Interesting. You're not a router. I just say you're busy, pal. I should say I should stop saying that. It seems like such a good description to me. It's funny. I hate jargon, but I'm I disagree. Especially given our job. I don't have the bandwidth to get into the scandal at the department of the interior, for instance. I just it's a pretty good metaphor. Anyway, I love this. This guy writes an email recently arrived from our IT staff alerting us to a quote zero day vulnerability on our devices. I don't know what I required immediate update. I don't know what that means, but I want to run from that phrase. Any rights? Yikes. What exactly did that mean?

15:50Was it as bad as it sounds? Zero day vulnerability. Oh, no, no. Let's see, change agent. Another phrase. This is how a former colleague describes himself on resumes. Well, that might be an attractive descriptor to a company looking for an unemotional outsider to change a K.A. Wack half of an organization conjures for me someone on the midway at the fair wearing a money belt with pennies nickels dimes and quarters a change agent. I'm a change agent. You hire me. I'm a change agent. You'll notice office supplies starting to disappear. Circle back a classic. I asked him want to do some research in their sponsor as I'll check it out and circle back to you. Why couldn't they just say, okay, I'll send you my results. I'll follow up. Decision tree as in let's reach up into our decision tree. It's just stupid. Decisioning. It's a pointless invention to give gravitas to the notion that action or choices should follow. For example, this is a decisioning meeting.

16:52Oh, I've never come to that one. Completely unnecessary. I'm going to start using that. I'll say that's it. My kids tonight. This is a decisioning moment for us. What's in place? Miss placed efforts to sound more important rather than to do some real work. And I don't know, make a decision. Deep dive. Oh, really? Not investigate study discern, discover, find out about. Look into you had to go with deep dive. Did y'all go to the same MBA program? Growth mindset, hard stop. Hit the ground running. Among others, I was in an MBA program in the 80s when that was the hot degree. And yeah, people threw that stuff around a lot. I don't hate the juices and worth the squeeze. Sorry, I don't hate that one. Jack Armstrong and Joe Thrabby. The Armstrong and Getty Show. The Armstrong and Getty Show. Story I see about cell phones and classrooms makes me despondent.

17:53As they always treat it like it's news to people, that it's a detriment to learning for a kid to be sitting in a classroom. Looking at their cell phone. Well, they just figured that out, Jack. I knew this current. I don't even know how to process the world sometimes. I know. We did an interview yesterday with a terrific guy. He writes one of the few remaining newsletters, websites, whatever about radio and podcasting and that sort of thing. And we were talking about growing the show and all. And we both made the point that at this point in my life, I just want more people to hear sanity. And I realized it's kind of paying ourselves a compliment. But when I hear you say people act as if it's a new discovery that a smartphone in school distracts the kids, my head wants to go curb blue. I know. Or if I see people ignoring Islamism or misunderstanding how political movements work or the Smithsonian institution became a

19:03you should hate America Museum. And then the monstrous who run it, deny it because Marxists lie so much. I just I want people to hear the other point of view. It's not about money or fame at this point. I couldn't give a crap. Although the money's nice. But I mean, seriously, at this point in my life, as Jack often says in the winter of our lives, it's about, oh my god, if I can like move the football and inch down the field or back towards sanity, man, I'd like to do that. Having said that, moving on. I came across this piece. The title of it is, I didn't realize how addicted I was to my phone until I went to prison. And I thought, oh, that's kind of a twist. I wonder why you went to prison. I'll bet he discovered that he's too dependent on a cell phone and he actually found it kind of liberating and enjoyed life in a weird way more in prison. And all of that stuff is absolutely true. I would have sued Kasteman in. Oh, boy. And I have the whole match. That which is imagined can't be unimagined, Michael.

20:05Oh, the pro even worse. But it's turned out to be way more interesting than I expected. This guy, first he describes making his final call to his wife, telling her how much he loved her. As his aunt and sister, we're going to drop him off federal prison. Wife was back at home with the kids trying to preserve any sense of normalcy. This guy had been on the Cincinnati City Council for a decade. In 2018, 2019, he was gearing up to run for mayor when the FBI targeted him in what he called an elaborate sting operation undercover agents posing as real estate investors made campaign donations, which I believe to be ordinary and routine and disclosed in public filings. Federal prosecutors nonetheless indicted me on public corruption charges alleging a quid pro quo. He points out that he was acquitted on four counts convicted on two and sentenced to 16 months.

21:05Couple of years later, the president pardoned him in the Supreme Court unanimously vacated his convictions. I know they said, this guy shouldn't have been tried and he shouldn't have been convicted. So anyway, it's already I'm like, wow, the story's way more interesting than I thought it would be. The landmark case was the governor of Virginia, what's his face before youngkin doesn't matter. Anyway, so but this guy ended up doing quite a quite a bit of time. And yeah, he makes the point that as a politician, especially his cell phone was practically a bodily appendage. He goes into the stats, the astounding amount of time people spend on their phones. He says, I was no exception whenever mine would buzz or chirp, I did immediately shift my attention from whatever I was doing to the incoming stimuli, even though the pings were not always time sensitive, work emails updates from our kids school, not always hardly ever.

22:09Right exactly. Relentless spam from political campaigns. He says, yes, even people who've held office eight days, which I thought was kind of cute. And then he and his wife would text each other all the time. And and and sometimes it was and he says as his sentence got closer, often it was unprompted tender. I love you text for no particular reason, because they realized they were going to be pulled apart and everything. And yeah, he does come to the conclusion you think he's going to, but here's the other stuff I liked at prison. One of the first things you see is a poster warning inmates in their visitors against and threatening punishment for bringing contraband, especially phones onto the compound. And he says, I felt my inability to contact my wife acutely at that moment. He had like preemptive loneliness because he knew how hard it would be. He got the strip search. They took him to his cell. He met the guy his celly and the guys in the house.

23:13No, no, they don't mention the food situation at all. And he really, really wanted to text his wife and tell her, hey, it's okay. Everybody's been really cool so far. It's worth mentioning he was in one of your club feds. Okay. As a nonviolent first time offender. But here's what gets more interesting. Soon I see inmates unveil smartphones all around me. Really? Yes, the economy inside prisons is an incredible testament to the power of capitalism and how creatively goods will flow to those who want them so long as the buyer can make it worth it for the seller. Man, I wonder how so how are they getting in there? Is it the guards smuggle in and probably some guards, you know, I don't know with federal prisons. I know I've read those stories a hundred times that yeah, the guards think, all right, nobody cares. I'm not making a ton of money. This guy's decent guys and whatever he defrauded some whatever. Yeah, I'm going to get him a phone and get a $500 or whatever.

24:13I don't know what the rate is. So several men knowing I was new offered to let me use their smartphone to FaceTime Sarah his wife. And he desperately wanted to, but he decided I had a time on a handful of priorities for navigating his prison sentence. And one number one was get home. Don't do anything that could prolong the sentence. I'm not going to fight anybody even if I'm provoked. I'm not going to mess around with contraband including phones. I'm going to do my time clean. I'm going to get home to my kids. I would be thinking that too, but it tortured him because everybody had phones and he didn't want to be caught using them and get spent to solitary essentially. But it was clear from the first night that many men chose to have a contraband phone, accepting the risk in large part to keep in touch with their families. And in the evenings when there are fewer guards around and their patrols were more predictable, the housing unit was filled with that sounds of men sharing the latest prison gossip with their wives and girlfriends. Asking their children what they did at school that day, checking in on aging parents.

25:17And he talked about how much sympathy he had, especially the long termers. And he said now it wasn't all wholesome men would scroll YouTube videos, take part taking online sports betting, convince women on the outside to date them and send them money. There had to be some DPs flowing out. Some who now? Richard takes. Oh my. I hope not Jack. Anyway, then he talks to how the phone room I certainly hope that's not happening on the prisoners. Good Lord pictures of their genitals. And then he talks about the phone room and how gross they were and how half of them didn't work most of the time. And I like this is good writing, especially during high traffic times after waiting in line, you'd pick up a phone, still warm from the grip of the inmate had just been using it. And then he's still smelling like his breath. You stand inches away from another man. Well, you both had conversations with loved ones which were often deeply personal. And then he talks about the constant recorded message runs every five minutes.

26:19This call is from a federal prison. Etc. Etc. But he just he would not break the rules. This it. Well, our addiction to phones is interesting and known to a certain extent. And then there's the only way you can get me on this story is if it's people who either are innocent of their crime or didn't do much. Otherwise, I don't give a crap if you miss your phone. If you're a criminal, you broke into my house or my car or somebody screw you live live many years without your phone scumbag. Yeah, that's what prison and punishment has been for all of mankind. You are miserable and don't want to ever do that again. That's the point. But just again, the details of the story or the interesting part prison guards would spend hours every weekend literally tearing holes in the walls of the housing unit looking for spots where men might be storing the smartphones. Sometimes before the daily tallies that occur to ensure all inmates were there and accounted for the guards would jokingly call out. All right, it's count time guys. Go ahead and hide your cell phones.

27:20But then they'd like search like crazy for them on the weekends. Whatever reason. Can you imagine how different it would be being in prison with a phone versus not having a phone completely. Well, just imagine your day to day or your kids day to day. It's a lot different. Yeah, but then and this is the predictable part, but I think it's absolutely worth hearing again. I know it is for me. He talked about going from a high intensity profession, full family, social life, volunteer commitments and how different prison was. But he said I felt an indisputable change that could only be tied to the lack of a smartphone, phone induced distractedness, flusteredness, agitation, had been constants. But they went away. He became more alert to what was happening around me. He writes, I sensed my surroundings. I became better at noticing as winter gave way to spring. I tracked the almost hourly change in blossoming trees beyond the fences. I do not doubt this a bit. I'm going to get there someday. It's impractical for my current lifestyle with working kids.

28:22But there will be a day for me where I'm going to put the phone away. I discussed and debated life's big questions and found and foundational topics with my cellmate. The complications of family dynamics are greatest fears and regrets are deepest longings for the future. I wrote poetry, something I'd never done before or since. And that should be the challenge everybody does every year instead of that's needs to be the new thing instead of dry January or New Year's resolutions for various things. Everybody should yearly do Jesus a day, but a week or a month or something without our phones. That's what we should focus on as our addiction. What are we talking about cigarettes and fast food or whatever the hell you're going to give up drinking phones. That's the thing we all need to at least once a year remind ourselves what they're doing to us.

29:23All right, you're ready for the final twist. This is going to be like the crying game. If you're too young, Google it. Oh, now that was a twist. Does this like to six cents? Is it like that? I have a lot like that. I see dead cell phones. Okay. This guy he's let loose by the Supreme Court and the pardon everything he goes home. He's all joyful. And as he resettled into life, he'd missed. He tried to avoid the agitating, distracting and true. So pull of the phone. He kept the phone on do not disturb putting another room and only checked it occasionally left it behind when the family went out for a family walker meal. But within a few months, he's rights. I'd reverted to my old habits immediately glancing, engaging in every ping and alert, reflexively picking up my phone, scroll through my rotation of go to websites. It's an irony. I'm still grappling with the kind of freedom I learned in prison. I couldn't manage to bring home with me. I don't know. I don't doubt that. That's that's why I said someday I'm going to put it down. It would have to be it's it for me.

30:25I know it would have to be all or nothing. I'd have to decide okay, I'm going flip phone that doesn't even have the abilities. And I'm done with this world. And I'll let my kids know that this is how you're going to have to get a hold of me. But the phone thing is over for me and I'm going to do that someday. Jack, I'll give you the final word. Is that what O'Reilly used to say was that the final word or the last word? Anyway, I know you know more about addiction than I do, but virtually every addict has gotten away from their addiction and said, oh my God, I'm happier this is better. Sure. And then gone back to the addiction. That's why it's an addiction. Right. I can buy that picture myself. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Oh, yeah. I know I would. You're strong. You can get it. You're strong. And get it. You're strong. And you get it. You're strong. And you get it. The Armstrong and get it. So I got on a GLP one over the weekend. Took me 17 hours from first popping into my head.

31:26And going on chat GPT to injecting my thigh took 17 hours. You're thigh? You know, you're belly. Yeah. I don't know. I couldn't do the belly. Anyway, I don't know if I'm the right customer, which is one of the reasons I thought they would turn me down because I just I don't have the much weight to lose and foods not really my thing. So I don't know if I'm having the same experience of GLP one that a lot of people do. Because I don't think about food that much anyway, but I did have an interesting whole pies in your truck. Yeah. But I as I've said many times before, if they invented a pill, you could take in the morning, they would give you all your nutrition and you don't need it again. I would love that. I would I find eating to be a pain in the ass. I would miss the Epicurian delights. I do not get any delight out of it. To me, it's just a pain in the ass and an annoyance and always that's time of my day. Really? That's interesting. Yeah. So I point of her day. I think for that reason, I'm not the right candidate for this stuff because I would, you know, it's just on my thing. I don't get any pleasure from eating really. So, but I did have the experience with the potato chips last night.

32:27I was a, my, I'm making my son lunch. It says, is you started high school yesterday. He's going to take a sack of lunch, trying to figure out what I'm going to give him some potato chips with his sandwich. Didn't have anyone to the store. So under the store got a bag of potato chips and I thought, you know, I'm going to eat a couple of potato chips and see what that's like, even though I wasn't craving potato chips. But I generally, if I eat a potato chip, it's going to be hard to not eat the whole bag because, you know, the way they've designed the chemicals to burst into flavor and disappear and trick your brain and blah, blah, blah, blah, very, very clever of them. I eat like two potato chips and just didn't want another one for the first time in my life. Hmm. That's got to be the drug, right? Yeah. That's amazing. It's so it got around the chemists best bath on how to trick the human brain into making you eat more potato chips. This GLP one made me think I just don't really want another one. Interesting. So it's huge, I think. Here's my question to both Katie and Jack because I'm looking into this for both my wife

33:28and I were thinking about it and clawed. I was asking about this and first it gave me completely fictional prices and said, you know, way to go reminding me that those prices nobody gets charged. Anyway, but then it says it's worth asking whether starting doses should be staggered since side effects, especially gastrointestinal ones early on can be rough for a few weeks and having one of you functional while the other adjusts might be worth planning around logistically. So it's implying that one of us will be, I mean, practically crippled. No, by the way, for a few weeks. Whoa. So, from what I know, that each of them move 0.25, 0.5, 0.7 and then up to the full dose. I'll be staying on the smallest dose. So they'll start you on the list. Yeah, they're not going to just immediately put you on one of the higher doses. You'll both start at the lowest.

34:28Right. How many people are dysfunctional for a couple of weeks? What are you talking about, Claude? Claude, you need to take your two, use your vacation time because you're going to spend it all in the bathroom. Are you going to be hunched over in a wheelchair for a couple of weeks with a thousand yard stare? What are you talking about? But thinner. Right. The goal for my heat cadetonic. But he sure looks sexy. Yeah, Michael. But four pounds lighter. Exactly. Yeah, he doesn't communicate anymore, but he really looks good. I don't know. I God, I'm a pound heavier than I was over the weekend. So I'm on the wrong direction. Maybe I got to the wrong drug. That'll be 500 pounds by Christmas. You took porco max. You're your rubber stamp fake internet doctor. Give me the wrong drug that shocking. Porco max. You just want porco max.

35:30Do you desperately need to gain weight today? Try porco max. Whoops. Oh crap. I should have talked to the doctor for longer than 90 seconds, which is the only end. I finished last in their medical school class. That's how long my zoom calls. I almost wanted to ask her. I said, do you go to medical school? And was this your dream as a kid? To be no. A zoom call. Oh, wow. 90 second zoom calls with people who are white. Glad you didn't do that one. That's why you need to be. Porco max. Porco max. Penestrink or something like that. Oh no. That's a throw. Hard draw and get it.