The 2025 UFO Survey Results

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1:01The last show with David Cooper. Procrastinate your life away with us. It's the report everyone's been waiting for. And the results are in. The year end Canadian UFO report has been released. What's in it? Are we alone? That's what we're going to discuss here. With Lee Kunla, a political science professor, Humber Polytechnic, he co-hosts the uncover a podcast, which you should check out if you would like. I like it. I've been on it. Or I haven't been on it. You're coming on it. You segments of your stuff have been on it. Oh, yeah. And then we're going to invite you on it and you're going to be our conspiracy. Love it. Okay. This report, it's a bombshell. If you look at the guy whose name is on the report, you can contact him and he's got a hotmail email address. So you know the report is legit. I saw that too. I love that. Yeah. I feel like if I were trying to treat UFO apology, UFO apology, UFO apology, UFO. Yeah. It's a good question.

2:01I think the originally it was pronounced UFO apology. UFO apology. If I was trying to treat that as a scholarly science, which it is, I mean, these reports they do their research, I probably wouldn't put a hotmail address on it. Yeah. No, I love it. Oh, it's, we were just talking before we went on air about like 1990s conspiracy whistleblowers. And I feel like a hotmail address, preferably one that doesn't have your name has got to be part and parcel of that kind of character. No. So the number of sightings, no joke. 26,000 UFO sightings have been reported in Canada for the last 36 years. That is a large number of objects, but many of them have a plausible explanation. Right? At least most of them. Yeah. So you're right to the first that it's a big number. And then just last year, 2025, it was one, it was over a thousand. It was like a thousand fifty who just reported last year seeing a UFO.

3:01So you're right also that most of them, when they have been analyzed, we've been able to come up with pretty mundane explanations. And so there's actually, it's, it's kind of cool if you look at where most you, like most good UFO sightings happen. They tend to happen in places where you don't have a lot of other visual clues and context to help you understand what's going on. So imagine the night time on the Atlantic Ocean. You know, you just like there's nothing really to distinguish what is in the foreground, what's in the background. And so then it's also hard to like judge if something is moving fast or not. So often we'll get really good UFO reports where a number of people have seen something quite incredible. And then when there's been enough information to look into it, it'll be something like the squid lights on a Japanese fishing boat.

4:02You know, where they kind of shine these super bright lights into the water. But on the way into shining it into the water, they might cast light into the sky. And then you see these amazing lights going back and forth. So that's just one example of the kind of thing that a lot of UFO sightings boil down to. It's like, oh, there's this mundane thing. Weather balloons, airplanes with lights on them that get misperceived by the people seeing them. I mean, there's a lot of plausible explanations for sure. Of course, also military tech. Now, there was a CIA historian who in the 1990s, he took a look at the false positive UFO sightings between the 50s and 60s and came up with something like 50% of them worth a UFO tech that was at that point secret. You mean like a military aircraft? Sorry, military tech. That was at that point secret when people don't nonetheless saw it. They were really surprised by it, right?

5:03So like the B2 bomber or what was the one before the B2 bomber? Well, there's the U2, which was the super high. It wasn't a bomber. It was a reconnaissance airplane. It flew super high. People didn't know about it. And the earliest versions would reflect sunlight off of it. So it was like, it was a UFO generator. But then there's this 3% in the report. And it's this kind of kernel of like good sightings seen by lots of people that remain unexplained. And that's where the action is. That's where molder and scully lives. Exactly. I was just watching Jillian Anderson in an interview. How was she aged so well? I don't know. That's... Yeah, I just actually looked her up too, because I was like, what's happening with Jillian Anderson these days? I was like, wow. She's in a lot of great shows, but she is 57 years old, and she is stunning, amazing. Okay, I'm getting totally up the mark here. The 3% of unexplained UFOs, can we categorize them at all?

6:06Like what are people mostly saying in that unexplained group? Well, there are... Yes, so the short answer is yes. We can categorize them. And people are seeing different things. But these will be things like your audience, I'm sure, will have seen the UAP videos that were shot by some of the F18 Navy fighter jets. These are like, oh, here's like video image of an object that is moving in ways that one of the pilots said, our material science cannot explain or recreate this. And then you're like, huh, this is a lot of people who are seeing this thing moving in completely bizarre ways. Oh, it's an example of the kind of thing that is part of this 3% where these are like good sightings. Now, in terms of like, what is it that people are seeing, there is quite a lot of variety. So in terms of shape, people are... It's interesting that you don't get the classic saucer shape.

7:09You get cigars, you get lights, you get points, stuff like that. People tend to be seeing that kind of stuff. And there's really no trend around color. Like I'm looking at the color breakdown. Most of them are white, but then the different colors it's all kind of evenly distributed. Yeah, exactly. Multi-colored is like the next one under white is basically 50%. Multi-colored is like 15%. And then everything else, black, silver, orange, whatever is all like between three and five percent. What kinds of people are making these reports? Are they hippies who have done a bunch of illegal substance? Are there illegal substances out in the woods with their Birkenstocks and their hemp pants and all those playing devil sticks and hacky sack? Or is it like... Or is it fighter pilots or regular commercial pilots who are of sound mind, at least enough to fly an aircraft? Yeah, well, so you're right to put it that way because I think when those of us not interested or following UFOs, when we hear about sightings, I think we think of one of those two categories,

8:09which is not the airplane pilots, they hippies. And so reports like this, when we've had a lot of evidence of this throughout the years, they take pains to really demonstrate that, no, no, it's like police officers, teachers, it's daytime, it's airline pilots, military professionals, radar operators, and often the best ones are all these people together. Now, one of the metrics in this report is the strangeness of the incident. What does that mean? Well, it's a good metric because, in a sense, it's like, you know, again, some of it is just kind of... It is a UFO to the observer, but it's not necessarily UFO to everybody else. So the strangeness is like how unexplainable it is. So good, so good, so good. Spring styles are at Nordstrom Rack stores now, and they're up to 60% off. Stock up and save on rag and bone made well. Vince, all scenes and more of your favorites.

9:10How did I let no rack as a deed is? Why do we rack for the hottest still? There's so many good brands. Join the Nordy Club to unlock exclusive discounts, shop new arrivals first and more, plus buy online and pick up at your favorite rack store for free. Great brands, great prices. That's why you rack. The 2025 year and financial... Sorry, that's the report people care about. This report people care about even more. The 2025 year and Canadian UFO report has been released, and we're digging into it here. On conspiracy corner with Lee Kuhnla, political science professor at Humber Polytechnic, who co-hosts the uncover a podcast. Lee, welcome back to the show. Thanks David. We were discussing strangeness as a metric in this report. Still, I'm unclear on what this means. Like, is it just self-reported by the people that see it? They actually, so they have a metric where they break it down between one and nine, and there's a number of different things that go into it. It has to do to some extent with how many people are seeing it,

10:13how easily is it explained, but also issues of... Is it like a first encounter, second, third encounter? You have that close encounters of the third kind, the Spielberg film. This is like somebody has had a direct encounter with an alien, as opposed to like what happened when I saw a UFO. I just saw something in the sky I couldn't explain. So the mind would be considered much less strange than somebody else who's like, look at this physical evidence, look at these crop circles, look at whatever. There's more factors than that that go into it, but that gives you a sense. Reliability is also in there, which I find so interesting. They rate the reports by how reliable they are on a scale from one to ten. There are no entries that are ten on the reliability scale, which seems honest to me, because how can you get a hundred percent certainty there? Walk me through how we treat a sighting as reliable or not. Yeah, let me note just about that there is no number ten on it.

11:13One of the things that frustrates me and other people who are sort of skeptically interested in this is, why don't the UFOs just come to like New York City? Like, why don't they just land in a super-populated place? You know, like the, the day the Earth stood still, that 19, whatever, 52 fell. Or on the White House lawn, like, you know, yeah. Yeah, just like, land there, get all the TV crew that come out, you're like these weird beings and you have like, alloys that we cannot synthesize on Earth. That would be a number ten, right? That's what we're all waiting for. And so the fact that we don't have that is really frustrating. And so we're always trying to like, piece it together in terms of, well, were there lots of people who sought? Was it something that we just have actually a straightforward explanation to? Were the people who sought, you know, again, like your, your, your example of hippies in the forest or were, were these sort of like, you know,

12:13people during the day kind of mining their own business? Were they themselves, are they into UFOs? Or are they just civilians who are trying to mind their own business? Yeah, because that can introduce a certain bias when you're like, I think the world exists in a way where UFOs are everywhere. Therefore, everything I see is a UFO. That would be an unreliable report. Yeah. So I'll just read you quickly from the report. It says higher reliability cases include actual interviews with witnesses, a detailed case investigation, multiple witnesses, supporting documentation and other evidence. So that would increase its reliability. The more people who see it, the more documentation you can provide, hey, can you get me an F-18 video footage of a tic-tac going really weird. That is also then corroborated by the pilot, by the radar operator. You know, that's a good sighting as opposed to me in two summers ago while I was sitting by myself on a beach in the middle of the night. And I was like, what is that weird thing in the sky? The most reliable.

13:13The most UFO-ist city in Canada, drum roll, please. Calgary. Whatever reason. That surprised me, too, because most of the rest of the report really tracks population. So what you're seeing is you see a lot of UFO reporting in places that have a lot of people. Ontario, Quebec, Toronto, Montreal, stuff like that. But I was also surprised that Calgary is number one. Could it be that like you leave the city and there's not a lot of light pollution? Or could it be something in the minds of the Calgary people? I think that your first one is probably that's certainly what I was leaning towards. But you see the same kind of trends also when you see when or people seeing it. It tends to be in the summer months. So July, August, and it tends to be between eight and about midnight, eight p.m. and midnight. So what's happening, I'm assuming, is that people are on holiday at their cottages in places where there isn't light pollution and they're chilling out and they're looking at the sky.

14:16And so they're seeing more things than they might see in the city during the day. Or whatever, you know, like when they're rushing around in light pollution. And I think there might be something there about light pollution. And you know, it being easier to maybe get out of Calgary than it is to get out of Toronto. Lee, when people ask me what kind of show is this? I usually say it's a variety of topics. We do a lot of sex communication. For example, later in the program, we're going to have a woman who fell in love with her sex robot. Well, sex, AI, model, whatever. I also say it's a lot of science communication. And then I say I have a conspiracy theory expert on the program. And then they think that means it's someone who believes in conspiracy theories. And I got to clarify, no, no, these people are of sound rational mind. They spend their career analyzing conspiracies and conspiratorial thinking. And these are some of the most rational people I know you and your colleague. Nice of you to say. So when you told me at the commercial break, you've seen UFOs. I definitely was taken back by it because I'm very skeptical.

15:17And I know you're very skeptical. I would not describe you as someone prone to believing in conspiracy theories. You're probably one of the people I know who has the most armor against believing in them. Because you study them. You know what the pitfalls are. So you've got to tell me about the sightings that you've had. Well, I mean, I would, yeah, okay. There was a couple. One of them, I know what it is now retrospectively. I was, it happened many years ago. And I was trying to stargaze with my son who is at that point. I think three or four years old. So we get a tent. We put it out in this field that we were staying on a farm. And I'm lying there with him. He of course fell asleep because the problem with summer and stargazing is like that stars they'll come out to like 10 30 or 11 at night. So he was out. But I was there lying there and waiting. And then suddenly I see a light. And it got really bright. And then suddenly it dimmed and then it was gone.

16:18Could it be in a shooting star pointing right at you? Yeah, I was thinking like what could this possibly have been? And what I think it was was I think it was a small airplane. Like one of these kind of like two cedar things flying at night. And I think it turned. And basically what I was tracking was sort of like a side angle of its light. And then it turned. Now I didn't hear any engine or anything like that. So it was very, you know, it was kind of spooky. Quiet. And then suddenly this light, it's just like directly in my eyes. It's huge. It's bright. And then it just disappeared. I guess because the airplane turned around. Or I think that's what happened. We're not alone. Or that. Now I do have a better one, which I just cannot explain. Very briefly, I was sitting on a beach two years ago, I think. It was in. It was very dark, no light pollution. And I see what looks like a line etched into the sky like a white line.

17:18And as it was forming the tail of it wouldn't disappear. So it was not at all like a comet. It was super straight. And I was actually having like a slight argument with my wife who was trying to go to bed. I was like, you got to come out. You got to see this. And she's like, no, no, it can't be that interesting. You know, like leave me alone. And we had like 30 seconds of discussion about this when she finally comes out and took a look. And I was still there. Okay. So it wasn't like I am prone to retinal detachment because of my vision, which means I could theoretically see streaks of light in my eyesight. It's never happened. Okay. Don't worry. I go to the eye doctor every now and again. It wasn't just you. She saw it too, I guess is what she said. She saw it too. And that's what that was important for me was that like somebody else actually witnessed it so that we can both remember it together and I'm not going to just spin out. And it saved your marriage because you were in a huge fight over she wanted to go to bed. And now you guys have a great marriage. UFOs saved Lee's marriage according to me right now, not exactly. But you are right to look. The thing is the you in UFO is unidentified.

18:20So as long as I don't know what it is, it's a UFO, but it doesn't mean it's aliens. Well, thanks for going over this newly released UFO report with me Lee. It's always a joy having you on the show. And it's nice to cover aliens with someone who's not, you know, not the rocker. Yeah, yeah. Or a hippie in the woods with the with the hacky sack. You can listen to Lee Kuhnless podcast. It's called the uncover up conspiracy castlies of political science professor at Humber Polytechnically. Again, thank you. It's been a pleasure. Thanks David. President Barack Obama. Virginia, we are counting on you. Republicans want to steal enough seats in Congress to raid the next election and wield unchecked power for two more years. But you can stop them by voting yes by April 21st. Help put our elections back on a level playing field and let voters decide not politicians. Vote yes by April 21st. Paid for by Virginians for fair elections.

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