Terry Fox: Greatest Canadian Hero

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2:06that we're going to do an all Canadian episode. Yeah, that's right. We did six shows across Canada. It was our pleasure to be there as their guests. Yes. And all across Canada, I feel like during Q&A people would ask us why we haven't, or would we, and maybe why we haven't. That's like the rudest a Canadian could ever get. You're right. It's like very sheepishly to say, why haven't you guys covered Terry Fox yet? Yes. Specifically, there are two people worth calling out. The first is William the first. He was the birthday boy at our Montreal show. We called him William the first because there were a few other Williams who asked questions after him. But I saw he and his mom. He asked us to do Terry Fox. And then the next day I ran into him and his mom at the train station. Oh yeah. And they elaborated further on how great Terry Fox would be for an idea for an episode. And then the other guy Chris, who met us at the airport in Winnipeg, also suggested it too.

3:07So, Canada, you can think William the first in Chris. That's right. Before we get started, we do want to mention though that we are going on a cruise, a stuff cruise. Right? Yes, stuff at sea. And Chuck, it's not even a cruise, but it's so high for Newton, it's a voyage. That's right. It is a voyage. And we are departing from New York City, from Brooklyn actually. On October 2nd, sailing to Bermuda and then back to New York. We have since learned that our live show will be on day two. Yes. Of the voyage at 4 p.m. And we're still getting confirmation on exactly how you sign up for that specific thing. But just, you know, a lot of people have signed up. The boat is filling up. And if you want to come out and go on a sea voyage with us and our other stuff colleagues, there's lots of fun, fun stuff planned. Stuff, stuff, stuff. Yeah, we're just going to be hanging out on the boat with everybody too.

4:08So it will be a good time. And that show, like you said, it's early in the afternoon. So our hope is that you can all be in bed by 630. That's right. We don't want to mess up anyone's dinner plans, you know? Yep. So, yeah, you just search stuff at sea on virgin voyages and you will find everything you need. And yeah, so we'll see you guys in October coming up Chuck. That's like a month or so. I know. It's really snuck up on me. Same here. It pouts too. That's right. And now, to Terry Fox. Yeah. So, I think a lot of, I should say a lot of the world can be forgiven for not having heard of Terry Fox. I actually feel kind of like a schmo for having never, ever heard of him or what he did. Oh, really? Yeah. Had you when we were touring Canada? Yeah. And, you know, I, not because I'm just, you know, some subant that knew about all of Canadian history as a child. Sure. But I was a youngster who had HBO.

5:10And I watched the Terry Fox movie, the 1983 movie with Robert DeVal, like more than three or four times. Robert DeVal seems old to play Terry Fox. Right. He didn't play Terry Fox. But yeah, I saw that, I saw that movie, you know, it was on HBO and I saw every HBO movie at least three or four times when I was that age. So I, that's how I know about the Terry Fox story. It was from that film. Okay. Yeah. And that was definitely like when he was part of like the immediate zeitgeist. Like he was well famous. And what, what stands out to me too is he was world famous for what he did over the course of about a year. Like he became like a public figure. And then basically what he did to put himself on the map as a public figure and do this amazing thing. I'm just teasing here. I'm not even going to say what he did yet. Um, it was basically over the course of a year, Chuck. That's right.

6:10Maybe we should say what he did. I agree. Okay. Terry Fox was a very brave, um, inspiring person. Um, like, like you said, not only in Canada, but throughout the world because he had cancer. He lost a leg to cancer and planned the marathon of hope where he was to run clear across Canada with a prosthetic leg. And that's probably all we should reveal for now. Yeah. Yeah. Let's, let's go back to the beginning. We're going to go back to Winnipeg where we were. That was our last show in Canada. That was great. Uh, and on July 28th, 1958, if you had gone to one of the fine hospitals in Winnipeg and asked around, you might have found Rolly and Betty Fox. We're having a baby named Terry. I think he was Tarant Stanley Fox is what he was born. And very quickly, Terry said, this is its way too cold in Winnipeg. Let's move out to the Pacific Coast where it's mild. And Betty and Rolly said, let's do that.

7:10So the family of six went out to, um, I guess a suburb of Vancouver, Port Coquitlam. Did you, are you sure it wasn't a home birth? By the way, my goodness. That didn't even occur to me. I mean, that would make it way harder to find Betty and Rolly if you had to go house to house. I could just see that being like the first corrections. Like guys, they weren't in a hospital. Absolutely. No, like basically if I have any chance of getting it wrong, I'm going to get it wrong. Uh, so when Terry was a kid, he was really into sports and really was his entire life. But he wasn't, you know, he wasn't blessed with the, the, um, like the size of an athlete. He wasn't a natural athlete. He was very determined as we'll see even as a kid. So, you know, there are plenty of stories from his childhood where, you know, he, he would go out for baseball practice like an hour early, uh, waiting at the corner for his ride. Yeah. Or when he took up basketball, you know, he was not a big guy. He was, he was one of the shortest and smallest kids in his class, uh, in the eighth grade.

8:14So he would show up early for practice. He would be the last one to leave practice. Mm-hmm. And then the next story goes on the, uh, eighth grade team. He played one minute of actual basketball on the court, uh, like during the season. And by 10th grade, he was the starting guard. And by 12th grade, uh, his senior year, he was voted co-athlete of the year at his high school, uh, with his best friend Doug Awert. Isn't that cool? That's amazing. I mean, so that's just one of numerous stories about how cool this kid was and how hard he tried it, everything. And that's his basketball. He also played soccer. He played rugby. He ran cross country and he got into cross country when his basketball coach, when he was playing very little at the time and still trying to practice and get good. His basketball coach was like, maybe give up basketball and go take up cross country. And so Terry was like, I'll just do both. Yeah. And he said, does that mean I run across Canada? And they said, no, that's just what you call the sport when you're running through the

9:15woods and not on a track. And he goes, yeah, run across Canada. Exactly. It hatched an idea. Uh, after high school, uh, and his athletic career there, he went to Simon Fraser University. He played on the JV basketball team in college. Yeah. And had a, was it a car wreck that fall? Uh, didn't get like super hurt. He was a little banged up, but his, he started getting some knee pain and for about six months or so, he just kind of chalked that up to fall out from that car wreck. Sure. Uh, and then that next spring, he was like, I should probably go to a doctor. This is March of 77. And when he was at the doctor, he, you know, he heard those terrible words that you hear in an appointment like that, which is, hey, you have cancer. Yes, specifically an osteogenics, sarcoma, which is bone cancer that starts in the knee. And um, this was a time where cancer research and cancer treatment was the best thing you

10:17could do for something like that was to amputate. Yeah. You have to get not just the tumor out, but all the cancer that's around it. And so they're like, we just need to take off. I think that six inches above his knee. Yeah. And he's 18 at the time. And that led it kid. Like this is for most people, most 18 year old boys who are like into sports. This would just be life shattering. And I'm sure it was, but he had an ability to kind of pick himself up and be like, okay, this is my new reality. Let's see how I can excel in this reality too. Yeah. And I even remember that and I kind of scrubbed through some of the Robert DeVal movie. Uh, they handle all that in about 20 seconds. Really? Yeah. I mean, you know, it was in early 80s. Uh, I guess it was a TV movie, but I saw it on HBO. Maybe it was an HBO movie. I don't know. Hey, I believe that you saw it on HBO. You've been so emphatic about it that even if it was a TV movie, even if the president of HBO at the time came to me and said, it wasn't on HBO.

11:20I wouldn't believe him. It had to be because why else would I have seen it multiple times? Those TV movies just ran like a movie the week and they were gone forever. Do you remember the one? It was an after school special. It wasn't a TV movie of the week, but it featured Helen Hunt. And she smokes PCP and runs and jumps out of a second story window in her high school because she's flipped out on PCP and it was Helen Hunt. That was on HBO. The home box office. Sure. Man, we should get them as a sponsor. What a plug. Did you ever see? There's a video of the HBO, the original HBO, um, like, I guess title card or whatever. Where it like it zooms through the street, the neighborhood and all the lights are starting to come on and then it gets to the mountains and it says HBO or whatever. That was an actual model. I saw people filming in it and going through with this camera. It was really amazing. There's like a short video of it. It's great.

12:24Oh, man. If we're not getting HBO money by the end of this episode, I can be really upset. I also want to say to our new listeners who are Canadian and haven't listened to us before, but saw Terry Fox episode and started to listen. This is pretty much par for the course for every episode we've ever done. And we're coming up on 1800 of them. That's right. 1800 times that we've gotten sidetracked probably times three, at least. Yeah. All right. So back to Terry Fox. He has gotten a sterile diagnosis. He decides, you know, despite his amputation, he's going to move forward as an athlete. He undergoes 16 months of chemo. And that same summer that he, like right after he had the same mutation, he goes out and it's like, I'm going to join a wheelchair basketball team. And not only that, he joins the Vancouver cable cars in 1977 in a tournament and leads this team to back to back national tournaments in 78 and 79,

13:26like right out of the gate, man, he's after it. Right. So I mean, by that time he's what 19, maybe 20 for the second one, um, we're seeing a wheelchair basketball game. Oh, yeah. They're amazing. Yeah. There was a team called the, I looked up the name because I couldn't remember, but it was the Toledo silver streaks. And I'm not sure how my mom got into it, but we used to go to silver streaks games like a lot. Yeah. Oh, that's cool. Early 80s. It was very cool. I never saw one live. I bet that's a cool. Yeah. You saw him on TV. Was this on HBO? Just stuff. Shame on you. Around this time, he meets a young woman named Rika, Noda, and she became, she became a very prominent figure in his life, obviously as his girlfriend. And someone who had, you know, would be by side through this whole next chapter that we're about to talk about. Yeah. And one other thing about him. So he, when he took to his wheelchair for wheelchair basketball, he already had an artificial leg, a prosthetic. But he would train in his wheelchair, going up like mountain passes and stuff.

14:31Like he, he, it wasn't just like level roadways. It wasn't just like going to the gym. Like he would figure out like the hardest thing you could do to train. And then that's what he would go do. Yeah. Pretty smart. Like I bet when he got on the basketball court, he's like, this is a piece of cake compared to going up a mountain. Exactly. Now, do you want to take a break now? Yeah, let's take a break. And we'll be right back with more on the great Terry Fox. Hey, everybody. If you've tried everything to lose weight, still feel stuck this summer can be different. Weight loss by hers is designed to support you in reaching your goals with access to an affordable range of FDA approved GLP one medications, including the way GoV pill and the wagoV pin. Yeah, with wagoV at hers, you can lose up to 20% of your body weight when you combine it with diet and exercise. It helps you regulate your appetite, eat less and keep weight off.

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18:34amputee to run the New York City marathon from what I could tell he may have been the first amputee who ran any kind of marathon. And he became after a car accident took his leg, he became an activist for accessibility. And so it was a pretty inspiring article, you know, and it just got right. Through to Terry Fox. Like it was about the perfect thing that his high school coach could have done for him. Yeah, for sure, because he hears this story. And I mean, almost immediately afterward is like, I know what I'm going to do. Like I know what my immediate life purposes, I'm going to run across Canada. And I'm going to raise money for cancer research. Yeah. And he also was kind of driven to raise money for cancer research, because one of his doctors had told him that if he'd been diagnosed just a few years earlier, he would have gotten way way worse treatment. Like it was just advancing. Yeah. And just a couple of years ago, his survival, his chance of survival would have been way less.

19:41So he was like, okay, actually doing cancer research is definitely worthwhile too. Right. Like they're making gains that can make even more with more money and more research. Exactly. You always say it better than me. That's not true. So he keeps this, he didn't make some huge announcement at first. He told Rika, his girlfriend, he told, told his best friend, Doug, and they start kind of training in private. Again, just sort of keeping it quiet at his local junior high. And the first, you know, first, aesthetics have come a really, really long way since, since Terry Fox's prosthetic leg. Yeah. I guess we could talk a little bit about that. So the guy who designed his leg, his name was Ben, I guess, Spiker was how I'd pronounce it. It was, you know, pretty new in like the development of artificial limbs that you could actually like use for running and, you know, to be athletic on.

20:41It was a sort of a radical idea at the time, I guess. Yeah. And so they, they settled on something pretty simple. They didn't want to get like too wacky with it. They just, you know, we're like, this needs to be suctioned onto your remaining leg. And there's no shock absorption. It's going to be straight. Like this is, you know, pre when they had things, obviously like these days, when you have stuff like Oscar, Oscar, Pistorius and those like blades that he runs on. They're like a pound each. This thing weighed nine pounds and was just straight. So it really modified the way Terry had to use it and had to run. Yeah, because he did, he lacked the muscles like he had hamstrings, but they didn't reach down to his knee or his, his calf, same with his quadriceps. So he ended up having to do all of the work of running with his right hip muscles. And again, there's also no shock absorption. And Ben, Spiker was really trying. They, they worked on a lot of different models.

21:43One of them was like a pogo stick basically was based on a pogo stick. And like you said, they finally ended up on a simple version. And the simple version actually proved to be pretty smart. Because when he started his marathon of hope, it needed to be repaired a couple of times along the way. Yeah, I mean, I think there was this one story where a guy at an auto body shop repaired it with like carparts, 78 Malibu parts. Hey, styling. And then there was a welder, I think in Salt, same Marie, who, who fixed, who repaired it at 1.2. So the fact that it was simple helped him in the long run, even though it was excruciating to run on like he, he very frequently, I think basically the entire time every day he had blood like coming down where's prosthetic met his, his leg. Yeah, for sure. The artificial foot was made from rubber and wood. They, I mean, they did the best they could with absorbing impact, but it was not great.

22:46So he had to adapt, like I said earlier, his running style into what they call the hop and skip running style where he hopped on his left leg. And then would swing that prosthetic leg forward and then skip back again to his left leg. So if you've ever obviously seen the great HBO movie, I think there was one in the early 2000s as well. They did another movie. I haven't seen that one or just seen a clip of the real Terry Fox. Right. You know, it's, it can only be best described as like an awkward running style that you just had to grit your way through. Yes, that's exactly right. And if you also chuck our interested, I believe three iterations of his artificial leg, starting with the first and then going to the one he ran on, they are at the Royal British Columbia Museum. I think I'm just playing. Yeah, there's a bunch of stuff about him on display there now. All right. So they eventually land on a version again that these days, it seems very archaic.

23:50But back then it did the job. Still a lot of discomfort, but he could start to run longer and longer. And he started training more. And he finally entered his first race in August of 79. This is just six months after he started training. And he was like, I'm just going to get out there. I'm going to run like try and get halfway through it. Just to see what I can do. But he ended up running 17 miles, finished the race. Yeah. And actually he finished last, but he was just 10 minutes behind the last two legate runners. So he also got his first taste of being cheered on by a bunch of strangers who were moved by his determination essentially to become a key theme in the life of Terry Fox. So he was like, OK, I can totally do this. I think he went when he started training. He covered like 5,000 kilometers, I think, during his training period. And this was not over a terribly long time. I think you said he entered his first race in August of 1979.

24:51He started the marathon of hope in April of 80, April of 80, right? So, OK. So within a year, he'd already covered 5,000 kilometers in a prosthetic leg. So he's like, I can totally do this. And he told his parents, his mom later said, I told them something. Long lines of, I think you're crazy for trying this, but I read that his dad was like, when are you going to start? It was just the way I think people approached Terry, like he was known to be very stubborn and determined, obviously. But he was like, you know, the point here is not for me to show off. It's to raise money for cancer research in Canada. And like he figured out that doing this was going to attract a lot of attention. And he could use that attention to say, hey, thanks for the support, donate to cancer research. He needed the help of the actual Canadian cancer society. And at first when he approached them, they were like, that's a good idea, kid.

25:52But we're not really convinced this can do anything. Yeah. I mean, you know, he was trying to raise a million bucks. That was his goal. Obviously, the Canadian Cancer Society, like any organization like that gets a lot of queries and sponsorship requests from people. Sure. So to them, I think this was just another one of those. And they said he was pretty dogged though. And they said, all right, listen, kid, if you can get some other people on board as sponsors, then we'll talk. So he and his mom wrote to a bunch of corporations. And it was pretty amazing. They got a lot of support right out of the gate. The Ford Motor Company donated a camper van because they needed a van to ride along on this whole run. Yes, they also donated the grass, gas or ass sticker that it came with. That's right. I've only bought one of these. I think I told you that. No, you didn't. Yeah, a couple of years ago, it's my favorite bumper sticker of all time. Yeah. That's one.

26:52And I put it on the, I have stickers on the big huge heavy trash can at my camp. Oh, cool. Yeah, I didn't, I didn't put it on my car. It's going to say, this is a twist I had not expected. Yeah, yeah, it's at the camp. So they donate the camper van, Adidas, Donates, 24 pairs of their running shoes, Imperial oil and Safeway donated food and gas money. And then Pacific Western airline said, all right, we'll fly everyone out to Newfoundland, where you're going to start this thing. And, you know, Godspeed. So he had those sponsors secured, went back to the Canadian Cancer Society. And they were like, all right, kid, you know, you went out and did what we asked you to do. So we're going to get behind you in the marathon of hope, 4,600 mile. How many kilometers is that? Something like 7,400 kilometers, I think. All right, starting out in St. John's, Newfoundland, all the way to Vancouver, his home.

27:52And they were going to begin, like I said, April, 1980. So, you know, we talked about the physical training that happened. There was also the mental game because obviously to undertake something like this, it requires, you know, the head, the heart, the physicality to do it all. And so he realized early on, like I can't think of this as a 7,400 kilometer run. I need to think of it as like one day at a time and then within that day to break it down. Like maybe I can run the next mile. And then once I've finished that mile, I can get another mile. And apparently on days that were really, really tough on him, he'd say, I just need to run to that next stop sign or to that next corner. And he would count telephone polls and do math problems in his head to distract from just the literal physical pain that he was going through. Yeah, which is probably the most difficult thing you can do as a runner, a long distance runner. Math so much. So I remember probably 10 years ago, there was an article that profile, the woman who had,

28:57I believe it's retrograde amnesia where you like just reset like every couple of minutes or every few seconds, depending on how your amnesia is. Yeah. And she was, she was protested by other runners, like professional runners as having an unfair advantage. Oh, interesting. Because they're like that whole like the, as Iron Maiden put it, the loneliness of a long distance runner, never built up for her. So they were like, that's not fair. But that just goes to show you how awful that the mental part of running is. So much more than the physical part that they were like, this is, this is not fair. And I guess the how awful competitive long distance runners are. Right. What are you kidding me? Yeah. They're like, have you never heard of Dick Tromb and accessibility? Wow. That's, that's nuts. I can't believe they did that. It's not fair. She can't remember how awful it's been. The prayer that that's our, that's pretty much the message here. Wow. All right. Obviously I'm getting about long distance runners.

29:58They're great people. Sure. So he was getting dizzy spells. He would get double vision. He figured like it's just exhaustion, obviously. He had to get a certificate of health from a cardiologist from the Canadian Cancer Society to even undertake this. And when he did this, a doctor diagnosed him with an enlarged heart, which is not the most uncommon thing for like an athlete like this. Yeah. But the doctor was like, hey, listen, if you get out there and you're short of breath, then you're dizzy. Like you've got to stop running. And he just kept, Terry kept quiet about the fact that like, yeah, buddy, that's already happening. And I'm pushing through. Right. He said to himself quietly nuts to that. Exactly. So he's going to start a running across the entirety of Canada with an enlarged heart on a prosthetic leg in 1980. And I feel like that's a great place for a break. When we come back, we're going to kick off the marathon of hope, Chuck.

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34:15All right, here we are. It's April 12, 1980. I have just turned nine years old. Don't know about Terry Fox yet because the movie has been made. I'm coming up on four. See, that's why you didn't know. You didn't know about Robert DeVal and HBO when you were four. Oh, I knew all about Robert DeVal. Big apocalypse in Alpha and up to four. So Terry Fox begins his marathon of hope. He started off by dipping his prosthetic leg into the Atlantic Ocean on the coast of Newfoundland. And his goal was, all right, this will be easy. I'll just go out and run about a marathon a day until I reach Vancouver. And maybe I can raise a million dollars by doing this. So lofty goals, to raise a million bucks, it sounds kind of quaint now, but that's a lot of money back then. I mean, it's a lot of money now, obviously, but if you're trying to like raise money for cancer research today, somebody would obviously shoot way higher.

35:17But that's a ton of money back then to raise. And he was quite at the beginning because no one knew about Terry Fox at the time. So he starts out running and there's like, you know, a couple of photographers there from the local paper and like six or eight people may be clapping for him. But and that's how it all started. It did. And he got frustrated really quickly because he had the full support and an encouragement of the Canadian Cancer Society. But that didn't translate into actual action on their part. Like for this thing to actually work, people had to know in towns ahead of right schedule. Yeah. So that you had volunteers who were coordinating stuff, like getting the word out to the press, like you needed CCS, like spokespeople talking to local newspapers and TV stations, like, you had to let people know so that they could show up and see him be moved by what he was doing and then donate. Like that's just how it had to go or else he was just doing this for almost

36:20nothing. And that's how it went for like the first month. He would get very frustrated when he'd run through a town. Sometimes we're rather large town. They'd be like, who are you? We haven't heard anything about this. And I think in the first month, like a whole month, all he'd raised was $25,000. And so because of this, like he was he was getting frustrated not just with the Cancer Society, but just frustrated in general. I mean, like I can't imagine how tired I would be after one marathon, rather than a month of daily marathons essentially. And his friend Doug allward had joined him to drive the van basically slowly with him. And they were living together in the van. So things were getting a touch tense very early on. Yeah, for sure. I definitely remember this from the movie that they were they argued a lot and they bought it. Why is that so funny? I don't know. I just imagine Robert Duval driving the van and turning around saying pipe down

37:21back there. No, no, he comes along later. Okay. So yeah, they were at each other's throats a lot. Terry was like he said a stubborn guy. Apparently he had a bit of a temper. And would, you know, he and Doug would get in fights. It was a lot to undertake like the pressure this guy was under to bite off something this big and put himself out there like that. Obviously, there was a lot of stress involved. So Terry's brother Darrell joins them in New Brunswick to just sort of add like a third piece to that to help diffuse the tension, I guess a little bit. You mentioned that, you know, he wasn't getting a lot of attention at first. Apparently in Quebec, and this was by the way, not our experience there. We loved Montreal. And we found the people there to be wonderful. But apparently he didn't get any publicity coming into town. Didn't raise any money at all in Quebec when he was running through. And like angered a lot of drivers on the road. Apparently, they tried to run him off the road. People were honking at him. He tried running on the highway

38:24because it had like a shoulder to run on. But the police there like kicked him off the highway. So he didn't get a warm reception in Quebec at first. Right. And also didn't raise very much money throughout the whole province. And I have to say again, I agree with you. The people of Montreal were amazing. I had two Quebec qua taxi drivers, one in Vancouver, one in Toronto. And both of them drove like total maniacs. I have to at least say that. They were great guys talking to them having fun, but they were maniacs. As one of them actually turned around at one point, where he's shooting down a right turn only lane to cut in in front of a bunch of traffic going quite fast. And he turns around like, how do you like my driving? Wow. All right. So maybe this tracks with his experience with the drivers there. Terry Foxes. Yes. Okay. All right. So had it not been for the Toronto star newspaper and a reporter named Leslie Scrivener, Terry Fox may not have garnered such widespread acclaim.

39:29Yeah. Because she was drawn to Terry's story and hats off to the Toronto star because they really really got behind them such that they assigned her to write a weekly column called running with Terry, where she went on the road with them basically, like reporting on everything that's going on. And by the time they get to Toronto, all of a sudden he's running from Quebec, his spirits are down. No one really even knows what he's doing. And he comes into Toronto like almost like a national hero overnight. Yeah. Pretty much. I read an article, I think from the Toronto star where they quoted a, they said a grandmother, age attendee, her name was Edith Kathy. She gave a quote to the paper where she said that she thought she was in love for the first time. It's been a long time since anyone has given me feelings, real feelings. He just seemed to fill your life with something that was missing. And like that's kind of how he was starting to inspire people. Like he was making people

40:34like feel. And it very quickly became the whole country and then eventually spilled out of the borders of Canada into the world while he was doing this. He finally, it did what he had set out to do. Like he had finally gotten to the hearts of Canada and Canadians. And now it was time for them to be like we want to support you. Here's some money for cancer research. Yeah for sure. And you know he was a young handsome guy. And so that certainly didn't hurt to capture the hearts of Canadians. Any at a cool name? Yeah, Terry Fox, great name. When he got to Toronto, they asked him to do the kickoff of a football game there. Apparently when he came on to the field as a story goes, the stadium announcer says ladies and gentlemen and like the rest of it is drowned out because people are just going crazy. He met Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau. He met Bobby Orr, the great hockey player and Darryl Sittler, another great hockey player. Apparently his idols, they gave him an NHL All-Star

41:35jersey. So money starts coming in. Celebrity starts happening. And he realized that like you know this is exactly what he wanted to help raise awareness and money. But it took a toll on him and that now every town he goes to everyone wants to do an interview with him and everyone wants him to come do an inspirational speaking engagement. So you know he's running the equipment of like close to a marathon a day. Right. So he's physically wrecked. He has 10 to 9th of his ankle. He has a dry cough that wouldn't go away. And he is all of a sudden like has to deal like constantly with being interviewed as a national hero which was awesome but like really depleting. Not only that like there were plenty of towns that wanted to like help him with fundraising events but we need you to come give a speech so the chamber of commerce can have their picture taken with you for the local paper like that kind of stuff. Not just we're going to support you. We want something from you in return. And so to get that money he would have to go do that stuff. And

42:40that's a you basically can't. You can't run a marathon every day and then spend the evening at like fundraising events. One fundraising event with zero exercise in a day would wipe me out. Imagine doing a handful of them and after you ran a marathon that day you also ran a marathon the day before and the day before that etc. Yeah for sure. All of the press wasn't kind to which really really stinks. There were some columnists who was like you know you're putting your life at risk like kind of degrading him for that which is something I don't understand. He you know they were like little offhand kind of like quotes they would get from from his friend Doug and from his brother about like Terry snapping at them or something. So sometimes they would paint him as like a tyrant or having like a really bad temper which apparently had a bit of a temper but like that's it's not the lead of the story here newspapers. So it's that's really disappointing. Yeah and it's also one of those things like put yourself in his position like would you

43:42would you would your patients be thin. Yeah. You know. So he was actually like I think actually after that newspaper article accused him of cheating. He called the newspaper and was like you better print a retraction and they did but it feel like that kind of like changed his perspective on things after that and it really kind of brought him down and he was I don't it might be overstating it to say like he was on the verge of giving up but he really kind of his spirits had been had taken a beating from from that experience and then along comes this little kid inspiration and a 10-year-old package a boy named Greg Scott who has bone cancer himself and as a matter of fact his leg was amputated as well and he idolizes Terry Fox. He had been following him basically ever since the Toronto star started sort of reporting on him and he was hoping he could accompany Terry on some of the run. Right on his bicycle which is just amazing. So all of a sudden you've got

44:47this one kid with a prosthetic leg 10-year-old riding his bike. You got Terry Fox you know literally running a marathon a day so like the the press coverage on this is just being amped up even more. And it really obviously inspired Terry like you're saying to keep going. At about 3,300 miles into his run Terry started you know he had a persistent cough but he started feeling worse and he was like I might have the flu or something but he was like I got to push through he never took a day off and his entire run we should mention. So he runs 20 miles that day anyway the next day he runs 23 and gets to Thunder Bay Ontario and is like the pain in his chest is getting worse and worse and it spreads to his neck and he's like maybe I'm having a heart attack and I'm going to die out here so like I got to go to the hospital. He goes to the hospital and they said you have a partially collapsed lung. We got to do some x-rays and investigate what's going on and Terry has a

45:47feeling like I think my cancer is spread and very sadly he was right. He was after a couple of days in the hospital they came back to him and they said your your cancer is metastasized your bone cancer is now growing in your lungs and it turned out that he had a golf ball size tumor in one lung and a fist size tumor in the other lung. Don't forget his large heart that he started out with and again running on a prosthetic leg that from circa 1980 and this was I mean again like just to have that life-shattering news twice and not only that he's like I can't this is it I can't run anymore now I have to stop and treat this cancer so he called off the run very sadly he said that I'm going to have to go do this at least for now but I'm going to try to continue after I beat this cancer and you know you guys hang in there with me and I just the devastation

46:49from having to stop and he had gone well over the halfway point which I found perplexing because Ontario's not even the middle province I think Manitoba is so I was like he made it to thunder Bay Ontario but he he made it all this way he had hugged essentially the Canadian American border and that had a lot of ups and downs and ups and downs after thunder bay it was basically a straight line now to Vancouver so when he stopped and that had to make it all the more frustrating when he stopped he was like I have done the hardest part the rest of it is like cake and um but he he knew that he had to quit he did yeah very sadly it was 143 days into the run he averaged 23.3 miles a day which is just incredible raised two million dollars which is double his goal but he would end up sort of inadvertently raising a lot more money because in September of

47:491980 there was a telephone on TV obviously and 48 hours there were you know Elton John John Denver the great Gordon Lightfoot of course and Anne Murray great Canadians Glenn Campbell all these musicians got together and performed at a telephone it was a five hour live event raised 10 million dollars to add to his two million that he raised and so I mean that was 12 million dollars just in 1980 alone yeah and then I think five months after that marathon of hope or telethon of hope um he achieved a follow up goal that he had which was raising a dollar for every Canadian citizen which came to 24.17 million dollars Canadian dollars in 1980 money which from the calculations I made is equal to just over 93 million Canadian dollars today wow yeah and just what he started in April

48:51and this was September that he managed to do that bye that's tough uh so after months of treatment he got pneumonia in June 1981 went into a coma and passed away very sadly on June 28th at age of 22 years old so as you can imagine like the the Canadian people and everyone following this took this quite hard and he was immediately memorialized even while he was alive he was memorialized he was the youngest person to receive the companion of the order of Canada Canada's highest civilian honor the order of the dogwood which is British Columbia's version of the camp companion of the order of Canada he was inducted into the sports hall of fame in Canada all this while he was alive and as the youngest person and then after he died it just mushroomed from there essentially yeah for sure he's been on a couple of postage stamps in Canada um it that this is I remember this

49:56happening actually the 2010 Olympic Games in Vancouver uh his mom Betty served as one of the eight flag bearers for the Olympic flag opening ceremonies very incredible moment yeah and you know he's like I said everywhere we went in Canada in Q&A someone like asked us to do a story on Terry Fox so he's still very much taught about in schools there um his legacy today is probably the Terry Fox run yeah organized by the Terry Fox Foundation um they separated from the Canadian Cancer Society in 1988 but every year on the second Sunday after Labor Day which is coming up kids adults people all across Canada go for a run to raise money for cancer research and to honor Terry yeah just coincidentally we had no idea but this episode is going to come out a couple of weeks before the Terry Fox run uh so you can go try it yourself in September 20th this year and um yeah just go look up the Terry Fox run and you can find a place near you that you can join a team

51:01and do some fundraising and all that good stuff and it doesn't matter how far you run or how long or if you've ran before it doesn't matter it's all just about raising money for cancer research and of course honoring Terry Fox for what he did again over the course of about a year this this kid became one of the greatest Canadians of all time one of the greatest people of all time yeah for sure and uh you don't have to be just in Canada to take part in that uh the Terry Fox run happens all over North America and South America it happens in countries in Europe uh Syria, Thailand, New Zealand it's all over the place and as of this year uh that foundation has reached it's one billionth dollar raise for cancer research that's awesome man incredible so that's Terry Fox heads off Terry Fox there's all sorts of footage of him doing his thing on YouTube and all sorts of stories and there's at least a couple TV movies one of which ran frequently on HBO back in the early 80s uh yeah so go check out more on Terry Fox and be inspired um and in the meantime

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53:11yeah that sounded exactly like that didn't you think so razor blades I'm really intrigued by this I feel like we've just cracked into a whole world that I didn't know existed yeah it's a thing I can't believe you had never heard of any of these no I've let a very sheltered line yeah all right well the the doors are open to you now my friend I know the doors of perception have been thrown wide open uh and that is uh for madame he says enjoy listening to you guys on my commute especially the tangents and long-running jokes cheers from Adam thanks Adam that was great uh I would love to hear some more of those too so keep them coming everybody yeah same uh and if you want to share something about Terry Fox or some other inspirational person or you just want to say hi or you want to say pipe down back there doesn't matter you can send it in an email to stuff podcasts at iheartradio.com stuff you should know is a production of i Heart Radio for more podcasts my heart radio visit the i Heart Radio app apple podcasts or wherever you listen to your favorite shows

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