TDS Time Machine | Oscar Nominees 2026

0:00This episode is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. You chose to hit play on this podcast today, Smart Choice. Make another smart choice with Auto Quot Explorer to compare rates from multiple car insurance companies all at once. Try it at Progressive.com Progressive casualty insurance and affiliates. Not available in all states and situations. Progressive may vary on how you buy. You're listening to Comedy Central. You're listening to Comedy Central. Welcome back my guest tonight, the director and screenwriter. No for such films as Bookie Night's Magnolia and there will be blood. His latest is The Master. These problems, yeah. I don't have any problems. I don't know what I told you, but do you have work for me to do? I can do it. You seem so familiar to me. Yeah.

1:05What do you do? I do many, many things. I am a writer, a doctor, a nuclear physicist, a theoretical philosopher. But above all, I am a man, hopelessly inquisitive man, just like you. I will follow you. Please welcome Bob Thomas Anderson. I don't even know where to start. So I'm just going to start an enormous fan of yours. And I'm just going to start on the performance end of it for the actors. Forget about the beautiful writing, the shooting, the cinematography, all the things that you do. The performances you get from the actors that you have. And obviously they're great actors. How do you, as a director, how do you feel like you're able to empower these actors to get the kind of performances you get?

2:09I'll leave. I hire good ones. Okay. And that helps. And I try to do as much as I can in the writing and then try to listen to them and see how they feel about things. Do you stop, like, in a scene after a take, we cut, walk out and be like, it's one of the mad. You know that kind of thing? Like, is there on set do you get a maniacal? Do you get what's your temperament? Pretty, I don't know. You seem angry. You seem like an angry guy. I try to play it pretty cool. When you're a writer, you can get mad at yourself in the room and you can bang your head against the wall. And then when you go to be a director, you kind of got to try to pretend that you didn't do that stuff and be cool and kind of be everybody's boss, so. What do you complete the writing process in your mind and then become the director? Or as you're writing, are you, you know,

3:10I find it's very difficult to, the difference between writing for the page and writing for the performance is a very different art form. Do you do that as you're writing or do you have to transition that? When I'm right, when it's at its best, when it's going really well, it's just sort of like you blink your eyes and 10 pretty good pages have happened. And it's worst is when you're just desperate to try and get the writing going well. But when you get to the set, I just sort of throw the script out the window and hopefully they remember it and they know it and they've done it well. But you're just throwing out the window? Do you ever tell yourself, the writer, hey man, don't sweat this, I'm just going to f**k ditch it. Yeah. I'm on for myself with writing. There are times where I, it's very difficult not to be precious with the words. To remember, to convince yourself, just put it on paper. So much of writing is rewriting.

4:10And you can really hold yourself back from even putting it out there. I think that's true. I've written 50 drafts of things and thank God for saving everything you write because you sort of look back at the first thing and you realize you had it right the first time just because it sort of vomited out of you or something like that. The other thing is that I've found is, unfortunately sometimes you can write something 50 times and you can make it better. So it kind of creates this endless sort of reach for something that keeps you hungry and always guessing like how does this stuff work? How does writing work? It's so confusing. What makes you stop? See what makes me stop here is it's six o'clock. Do you know what I mean? Well, we'll write to the point where we're like, hey man, there's an audience out there and they look mad. They've been sitting there for five hours and better get out there and do a show. But as a writer of film, how do you stop? How do you not overwrite? How do you not destroy it on the back end?

5:11It's kind of the same thing. I mean, with getting a film together, the clock is not ticking that badly. But basically you sort of say, we're all going to get together in March. And let's say that six months away, you kind of, as a writer, you got six months and the clock is ticking and you've got to really get it together. You have to plan that far ahead in advance when film, so. Right. But it's like a really slow ticking bomb. Let's talk catering. Okay, what do you... No, we have a different system here. Once it's done, then you have all the post-production and all those other things that you have to do. Does the selling of it feel like you're making something that you did a long time ago? Does it still feel vital in your mind? Like, how does it in that process? Oh, God. I mean, yeah, it feels far... You know, I was watching that clip and I didn't remember what they were going to say. You know?

6:11I remembered what Phil was about to say. I can clearly understand that. Yeah, and that's a nice place to get to, actually, where you kind of have enough distance from it. And yeah, there's a lot that I don't remember about this film already. Um... I would love... I would love for M Night Shyamalan to be in one of his own movies and be like, oh, my God, that guy was dead the whole time! I don't know, I can't believe that! What I love about what you do, too, is everything is so... You just feel... You feel the art of it. It's so vivid, you know? And it's... Maybe it's every choice you make. Is all that preconceived? Like, do you have an idea of each one of those moments? How you wanted to create it? No, I mean, inevitably, inevitably you're going to get disappointed because usually the things that you see in your head, when you really are standing in a place with three dimensions, they're just going to be different, you know? The lights coming through the window in a different way or somebody's wearing something different, so... Just try to be as open as possible to situations.

7:14But at the same time, it can't just be making a film, it can't just be this endless search. There's a lot of kind of planning that you have to do, but hopefully you kind of... You can create situations where accents can happen and things can go wrong or... A fertile environment. Yeah. Aspirational but realistic. There you go. The Master! It is a beautiful piece of filmmaking. It's in theaters now. Oh, the great Paul Thomas Anderson, ladies and gentlemen. Your little one grew three inches overnight. Adorable. Also expensive. Sell their pint-sized pieces on Deepop and list them in minutes with no selling fees. Because somewhere, a dad refuses to pay full price for the clothes his kid will outgrow tomorrow. And he's ready to buy your son's entire wardrobe right now. Consider your future growthspurt budget? Secured. Start selling on Deepop. Where taste recognizes taste.

8:14Payment processing fees and boosting fees still apply. See website for details. Okay. Okay. Weegee? Weegee? Shoot this. What? Oh. Very, very good. Garage isn't hard. Together again. I'm closer. Come on, closer. I want ten copies of that. Right. Write me a check. Please welcome Ethan Hawke. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

9:14Cool. Oh. Pretty good. Yeah. Thank you. Here. Hey. King of the world over here. King of the world. That's feeling good. Just feeling good, just you guys made me feel good. Right, they did it. Yeah, they did it. Yeah, they did it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I got to tell ya. Ethan Hawke. I have heard stories about Hollywood, contracting and getting smaller. And then I see you are in black phone, too. You are in blue moon. I turn on the TV. You are in the low down. Like, are we experiencing a hawkessence right now? Like, I'm not worried about AI taking my job. I'm worried about Ethan Hawke taking my job. You should be worried. I've been watching you, and I've got some ideas. You can do it, right? Yeah, I got some ideas.

10:14I could do that sports center thing you guys got going. I could take Ronnie on. Yeah, you know, it's harder than it looks. You know? It didn't look very hard. OK. I'm just leaving some jobs for the rest of my life. Yeah, you got it, you got it, you got it. It's so funny in that clip. You hear everybody gasp when they see you. You're a five-foot tall man who has a comb over hair. Like, there's Ethan. Oh, God, he's letting himself go. Oh, God. I know. My wife came to set when she was watching the monitor. And she was like, I think I'm going to go home. This is not doing anything for me. What's harder? Playing a five-foot person or a comb over person? Oh, comb over. Come over, right? You're like, yeah, it's just not sexy. You know? So I had to shave the, you know, middle of my head and leave it wrong and comb it over. And I died here. You really realize that you work on the comb over. And when you're in the mirror, it looks fantastic. But it's just any other angle from the back.

11:15Now, it's just the direct-on looks kind of fun. Yeah, I see why, guys. I mean, Trump does it pretty good. He does. Give them the one thing we can all agree on as his hair looks fantastic, right? God, it does. The envy of his generation. Oh, everybody loves it. This movie is fantastic. Lumin is wonderful. It takes place in a night at Sardis after the premiere of Oklahoma. And it's a theater movie. It's very much. It's a true story based on it. Yeah, but that makes it sound not good. Oh, shit. Yeah, no. Theater movie, like, it's, all right, it's, it's like the whole night can I set it up? You know what, y'all, you're taking everybody to the night. Is that what this is? Set it up. What do you got? It's a night in the life. It's 1943. The middle of the war. Rogers and Hart, great as songwriting team of their generation, cover of Time Magazine. Did the Lenin and McCartney of their day? Except this is the first time Rogers is written with anyone else, a young man by the name of Oscar Hammerstein. They're about to change musical theater history.

12:17Larry Hart is about to be sent off to Antarctica to death. It's literally as if you, with Lenin and McCartney, today the Beatles are going to break up. One of them is going to be in a band, five times bigger than the Beatles, and the other one is going to be dead. That's, we're talking. Real time, you're at the party. It's a good movie. Did I sound? That's it. That's it. It's a great movie. Thank you. I think you get to sit. This movie has such great conversations about art, the world, about love. Like, it's all in there. And also, it's directed by Richard Linkletter, who you worked with many times before. And he loves you. In a way that you see, he does not, there are no tricks. They sit on you. You have long, long, monologues, and there's no tricks around it. We're sitting with Ethan Hawke and we're watching him act. And that has to be intimidating as I'll get out. It was, it was the hardest job I've ever had. Is that right? Partly because you say Rick loves me,

13:18and I've mentioned some part of that is true. I don't know. He's never said that. And I feel the same way about him. And we were taking a big dare together. And he's directed me and this is our ninth film together. So he's seen, he spent years of his life editing my performances and he just basically said to me, I don't want to see you. And so anytime we'd be shooting the movie and I'd do a take, I saw you there in the third line, you know, when you picked up, I saw, that, that was you, I. That's the reason I know. He just, he wanted me to disappear. So I had to come on that set, five feet tall, comb over, terrible skin, alcoholic shaking, nervous wreck, and I tried to disappear into it. You know, he basically said to me, you've been talking about acting for the 30 years I've known you. Why don't you show me if you can do it. Ha, damn. And I was like, I was, I'll show you. And then I got really nervous. I mean, the cast is amazing though. Yeah, you know, Margaret Qualey, Andrew Scott, Bobby Kenavale, a lot of great people.

14:18You guys are dancing with each other up there the whole time. Well, Bobby and I have known each other, you know, for a long time, we've done plays together and he really came over there and supported me. He's a great actor and he, I just needed, he's the barkeep and I'm the trunk at the bar stool who can't stop talking. And so I needed him and Andrew Scott, I didn't know before. I'd seen him play Hamlet years ago in London and I wrote his name down in the journal. I was like, I gotta work with that guy. Margaret Qualey's, friends with my daughter. So that worked out well. That's, I gotta use my daughter to make connections. Use whatever connection you have, right? Yeah. There's an interesting conversation that happened in the movie. It's about Oklahoma. And your character, kind of articulates an artistic vision for theater in a way that he leads in the satire. He wants theater to be used as a commentary on what's happening right there. Mixed with Roger's view of sincerity in the theater and sort of reaching towards that. Where do you land on that divide? Where do I land on my judgment of the musical Oklahoma?

15:19Yeah. Yes. Who's right? He's critical of it. That thing goes on to be the biggest musical ever and yet he thinks this thing doesn't deserve the praise it's getting. It's, what I see the movie is about is it's a moment in American history where we're right in the middle of the war, we're winning the war and we start this process of self-mythologizing ourselves as a country. Some musicals called Oklahoma, that is not the story of the Oklahoma territory, all right? Girls in Kingdom dresses saying, I can't say no. It's not the story of America, okay? All right. And we start doing this thing where we believe our own narrative about us as a hero. And it does a lot of good. And it makes a lot of people really happy and it feels really good. And it's what my character sees is the start of a lie of being nostalgic for a world that never existed. And so the movie is kind of spinning around. It's not just, it is a night in the life, but it's an important night in art history, jazz ages ending, something else is starting. I think it was Hitchcock who said,

16:21sound of music sent him a back 20 years. You ever hear this quote? No. Well, and that's a Rodgers and Hammerstein musical too. And it's, we love it so much. I don't even know what Hitchcock meant, but I kind of know what he means. Because it's just, you just believe in this myth of everything being sunny and my favorite things. And Hitchcock was asking more of an audience and he knew that we're never going to be able to sell it. Yeah. I mean, American exceptionalism is a comfortable lie but is inherently perhaps a lie. And you tell it every night. I do, right? Thank you. And I deliver it. And I deliver it. You deliver it. With compassion, right? Yeah. That's it. I've heard you talk about the cast in Blue Moon. You talk about it being like a symphony in different instruments. Look to what's happened on FX with the low down, which is a totally different experience. It's a fun, it's nourish, it's gritty, it's tall.

17:22So it's not giving into this narrative of American exceptionalism. It's showing some fun, moneyed sides of... Have you seen Reservation Dogs? I have, very much so. Well, the guy who makes the low down Sterling Hart Joe is a great filmmaker. And I fell in love with that show Reservation Dogs. I went down, I did a little cameo in the show. And it was just the most exciting time I'd had on a set since, you know, working with Link Letter. Really, it was the whole city of Tulsa's alive with all these young artists. And they really have something to say. And they feel like, I don't know, there's something in the whole spirit and energy what they're doing. I just wanted to join their band. And Sterling invited me down there. We made this show the low down. And the season finale aired like yesterday, I think. So it's out. Check it out. It's very good. Not a waste of your time. Yeah, it's fantastic. I will say, I have not only such a fan of your work, but the algorithm sends me so many Ethan Hogg videos of you talking about art. In my clothes, right?

18:22You're cl- some of them. I asked Chan Gbt to take it off. So I eat the whole picture. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I keep you with the co-mover. It's just a weird thing I have. The new stuff with the co-mover is my best. That's what I really think. You're so vulnerable there. I appreciate it. But I think you have great taste. You did a movie called Blaze, which I loved and got me way into Blaze fully. I told you this backstage, for the criterion collection, you suggested a movie called The Blues According to Lightning Hopkins, which was an amazing documentary that I had never heard of in a blew my mind. Before I let you go, what are you passionate about now? Give me something to get interested in myself. Make me love something. Yeah, to get interested in yourself, you want me to get, you want to get interested in you? No, I'm already. I'm way too fast. Yeah, I was going to say that now. I was going to say that now. You seem fine on that. Oh, I love it. In fact, I think that you stuff about me if you want to get more interested. No, all right. It's just first thought, best thought. I'll tell you, you may think you know everything. There's a new book that just came out called John and Paul, A Love Story.

19:23And it's a story of McCartney and Lenin, not told as the Beatles story, but it's really just a portrait of their friendship. And it's really, really moving. And it made me revisit all my thinking on the Beatles. And I thought there's so much I think that is special about what they touched and why they continue to touch people is A, a level of artistic excellence that we really haven't seen very much of. And B, male friendship. And I think that's what really connects people to it, is we don't see a lot about that. And when you see a real sincere friendship, it's powerful. That's beautifully said. Well, the movie, Blue Moon, is fantastic. I haven't seen a performance like that. It's John Barrymore. Oh, you're my man. That's a fucking Barrymore. That's it, Ethan Hart. Blue Moon is a theater's down at all episodes at places. The love of our film on the stream, I'll kill them. Ethan Hart. MUSIC My guest tonight is a director whose latest film is called Creed.

20:25So, what are you afraid of? I'm afraid of taking on a name and losing. I call him your fraud. Fake Creed. What do you think about what's true? You love to fight, right? Yeah, it makes you happy, right? Yeah. And you are a Paulo Creed's son, right? Yes. So, then use the name. It's yours. Please welcome Ryan Kugler. MUSIC Thank you very much. Thank you so much. This is great for so many people to see the face behind the films. Congratulations, by the way. Oh, nice to see you. Creed is amazing. Thank you so much. It really is.

21:25No, it really is. I'd like to take a moment and go back on this. First of all, let's start with the fact that you are just 29 years old. Yeah, 29 years old. And already there's Oscar talk around the film. Is that, does that make you nervous? Is that just a humbling experience? What's that like for you? He is just humbling, man. Like, with filmmaking, it's an art form that you don't do on your own. You know, I saw several collaborators come and go. I wrote the script with a buddy of mine, Aaron Cometin. I got to work with one of my best friends, Michael B. Jordan. And it really feels like, um, it's just a blessing to be able to do this job, you know what I mean? So I have people talk about, you know, your movies at the end of it for awards and things like that. It's just icing on the cake to me. My, my father literally said to me, he was like, he was cutting my hand. He's like, yo, man, you see, you see Creed? You see Creed? And I was like, no, he's like, yo, that's the Black Rocky, man. He's like, that's Black Rocky for this generation. Is that what you were setting out to do when you wrote to him? Because you, I read a fascinating story. You wrote this film, you inspired by your father? Yeah, absolutely.

22:25And my dad was a huge Rocky fan. Whenever you put these, these Rocky movies on, he would cry, you know what I'm saying? So I knew these movies had a special, you know, special power over my dad. And I kind of liked them because my dad liked them. You know, I wanted to be just liking them. And then when I finished a film school, my dad got sick. You know, um, and he started to, you know, develop a neuro-muscular condition. He was losing his skeletal muscles. He basically was becoming weaker, you know what I'm saying? And had to help him from the car to the house sometimes. And all of a sudden, this dude who was always so strong and became weak and he really did a number on my psyche. You know, um, but then I came up with this idea that maybe if his hero, you know, went through something similar, you know, um, and it was a young man who formed a relationship with him. You know, maybe it could be something in my dad who would begin to, maybe it would cheer him up, maybe it would motivate him to fight through it. That's beautiful, man. That's beautiful. And how does a young black man from a rough neighborhood, like you said, go into making films? I mean, you said your dad was an ex-football player, you were going to get into football? Yeah. What changed?

23:27Um, I mean, he's school. And I always had great teachers. And then I got a football scholarship to a school called St. Mary's College. And I had a teacher there, you know, during my first year of school, where there's something that I wrote and called me into our office and basically suggested that I get into writing movies because my writing was real visual. Oh, wait. Yeah. No, no, I'm sorry. Just the image for me, because I watch a lot of movies, just the image that a football player gets called in and the teacher goes, you need to write more. Yeah. You should quit football and you should write more. That's how you do. So you went straight into that? You didn't have any? I laughed out there being the club. And then, you know, while we were sitting in the office, I thought she was crazy at first. I thought I was in trouble when she called me into our office. Yeah, well, I would think that too. That's what I would think. I never forget she called. And she was like, hey, you know, I was coming to my dorm room. I was in the dorm room with my friends. And she was like, hey, are you busy right now? And I'm like, you know, I couldn't lie, because I'm in the dorm room. No, I was in the dorm room. I was like, there's no lies in dorm rooms. Yeah. I couldn't lie. Because I was in the dorm. No, but she knew where I was. Yeah.

24:27You know, I mean, she could like walk down from her office and knock on the door if she wanted to. So she said, I want you to come by. Come by my office hall is right now. So I had to kick all my puns out the room. Like, man, I gotta go out, you know, maybe to teach her like, now, I came in with a road about to be used. Oh, the story was actually about my dad crazy enough. You know, and I thought maybe because it was something that crazy that happened, I thought maybe she was like, hey, you know, you need to see a psychiatrist. What you're writing about is something, you know, or like, you know, where I'm gonna get to it. Where I'm gonna get to her office is gonna be like the, like the dean of school, like the police, the airway for me, like, hey, man, you know, true salt, you know, I mean, you outta here. But I went in there and there was Rosemary Graham and it was just her, you know, she sat me down and asked what I wanted to be when I grew up. You know, and I had no idea really at the time. And, you know, she suggested that I get in the, you know, writing a screenplay. Doing amazing things. Thank you so much. I appreciate it, bro. Freed is amazing. Fruitville is amazing. You are amazing, my friend. Three in-faces now. What's Fruitville if you haven't? Ryan Kugler, everybody.

25:47The prime time stage is set for the TGL presented by SoFi Finals, Los Angeles Golf Club versus Tiger's Jupiter links. Keep up, it's Playoffs. Tune in Monday, March 23rd, 9 p.m. Eastern on ESPN2 and Tuesday, March 24th, 7 p.m. Eastern on ESPN and on the ESPN app. What about my guess tonight? The new film is called Magic in the Moonlight. And, and when, when you contact the spirits, will we be able to see the souls? And how are they different from ghosts? Or are they ghosts? I should think souls are quite different. Have you ever heard of Ectoplasm? Ectoplasm. Now, isn't that a Milky Substance rather like Yogurt? You are a Joker, aren't you? So, you're saying it might look like Yogurt, but it will be Mrs. Catholic's former husband. Please welcome Emma Stone. Hello!

26:49What's going on? What's happening? Nothing. Nothing at all. Everybody's very excited to have Emma Stone in the house. Really? Yeah, Emma Stone's kind of... Thank you. I'm talking about even amongst the staff. Like, there's sometimes I'll, I'll, I'll have a guest and I'll be like, Oh, you know, it's on tonight and I'll say the name of the guest and I'll be like, yeah, that's nice. But... Do you know that someone on your staff made me a scarf? Made you a scarf? Yeah. Wait, out of, out of what? It needed me a scarf out of Baby Alpaca wool. It is so beautiful and I teared up after she left. Wow. So, I'm going to go backstage and say thanks. Has she ever made you a scarf? No, I've been here 16 years. Okay. Baby Alpaca, well, that's okay. Yeah, I once had a guy look like, I guess, a lizard skin. Made like, it was like a, it was like a ball founded under his desk. That's really nice. I actually know who that is. Yeah. That's, that's Beth. That's Beth. She makes beautiful scarf.

27:49It's... Sometimes she makes hats. It's a gorgeous, infinity scarf that you can wrap around your neck and... Yeah, yeah. It's not easy, it's not easy. The scarf is a very delicate thing to pull off. It's knitting, in general, is a very delicate thing to pull off. Oh, you're talking about making? I was even talking about wearing it. Oh, okay. No, for a man... Yes. It's complicated. It's complicated. It's complicated. You could throw a scarf on with pretty much anything, I think, as a... You know, I could wear be wearing a scarf right now. If you wore a scarf right now... I was thinking to myself, it's the one thing missing from your outfit. Do you like a gentleman in a scarf? Because a gentleman in a scarf, unless he is, if I may, a Bon Vivon. Right. He may not be able to... Like, what is the opposite of a Bon Vivon? Short Jew. Let's say he's just a Jew. You don't pull it off as dashingly. It's a dashing accessory. It gives a suggestion of Bon Vivon. If you choose to wear a scarf, you must somewhere and you be slightly... A or no A, Bon Vivon.

28:49If you just... You are Bon Vivon or A Bon Vivon. A Bon Vivon. Here's why I would wear it. I worry about tonsillitis. So, other... There is a function to it as well. Just keeping everything warm. Yeah, I used to wear the... This'll really be... I used to wear the turtleneck. I just want to see if we can catch that on a close-up. The face she made, like that made her nauseous. That, right there. Boom! What is... Let me ask you this on a purely... This is an anthropological or sociological. On a date, the... Like, a first date, the worst thing that a guy has ever worn or that would be discussed, the worst thing to wear when... When joining a young lady on a date would a scarf be something like that? Would it be something like a pork pie hat? What would be the worst thing... The pork pie hat? Well, not... Probably not... Not a shirt.

29:49So, you're saying if somebody goes big, you don't want any part of that? Yeah, I think... I think maybe... A not... A not shirt. Has that ever happened to any of your friends? Or you? I don't think anyone's ever shown up with a not shirt on. You might as well just write in Magic Marker, I'm a bro. Just... On your thing. Oh, bro. Yeah, on all that stuff. Which, by the way, we should talk about the movie. The movie is... Is... You filmed it? Yes. With cameras and... They did the whole thing, they edited it. And now it's out. It's always, listen, Woody Allen's films. I can't... I feel like I can't even discuss it anymore because of all the things that go along with it, but always entertaining films, always prolific and very good. Yes. Was it enjoyable to perform it? It was. The gentleman you're performing at the... All in first. Has been on the program many times. There's a guy who can wear a scarf. You and this show, so he can pull off pretty much. He could wear a not shirt.

30:53You know what's nice about me? And I'm saying this. I'm not trying to come on. I'm just saying this. I could get away with not wearing a shirt, and I'll tell you why. My body is so hairy. That I would come in and you would just think like, oh, mink, that's an interesting choice. So that... It's a perpetual body. It's even nauseous face again. Yeah, that's not good. Are you doing now what... You live in the city now? I live in the city. I'm living in the city and I'm... It's a beauty. I'm around. I'm around. Probably run in. And then we could... We can pretend that we don't know each other. Yeah. I think that's happened to us once before. We did happen. I ran into her in a gentleman with a dog, and I was like, hey, what's going on? I should have taken the dog and pulled it up. I remember that. And then I thought, oh, I should have brought my dog, and then I wouldn't have looked like a crazy person yelling at me. So did I ever apologize for that?

31:53Apologies for running in. For costing you on the street when you had a dog with you. I don't think you accosted us. You don't think... Well, that's very kind of you. I would never think that you saying, hi, would be accosting. You... I'm sorry. No, don't even... I am going to knit you a whole outfit. Magic in the Moonlight. It's in the city's... July 25th opens everywhere, August 15th. As always, so pleasing, Emma Stone. Thank you. My guest tonight is an award-winning director and screenwriter whose latest critically acclaimed film is called Sentimental Value. Why didn't you want to do the role? I can't work with him. Why? We can't really talk.

32:57But he wanted you to do it. Yeah. Yeah? I don't know. Just keep thinking that he made it. He made a mistake. Please welcome Jo Kim Trier. Thank you. Welcome. Thank you. Let me tell you, first of all, congratulations. It's a wonderful film. Thank you. Getting many accolades. You just came back from the Golden Globes, where Stella and Skarsgard just won a Golden Globe for Best Actor in your film, correct? Yes, we're so proud of him. That is amazing. It's curious in watching this film, knowing a little bit about your background, you came up skateboarding, making skateboarding films. Sure.

33:57And I watched this movie, and Stella and Skarsgard did zero allies in it. I know. Like, no nut punches, no nut anything. Did I miss something? Or you lost your edge? What was going on there? Mental nut punches. You know, I think what I'm trying to do here is to give also a platform for actors to explore something, take some risks. So I started doing a lot of skate videos when I was a kid. That's what I did. I stood next to a handrail and saw my friends try some crazy stuff and maybe halfway break their neck or land on their feet. And in a weird way, it's still the same thing I'm trying to do with actors. Have them do something risky and see if they land on their feet. Yeah. What does that look like? Is that happening in a rehearsal process? It's interesting if you watch the film, because you're also watching a director who's coaxing an actor at the time. Is that reflective of your experience working with those actors there? So just to be clear, Still and Scar's Guard, who in real life is a really nice and kind man, plays a bit of an asshole director, a bit of a difficult father character.

34:57So I'm trying not to be him when I'm directing. Yes. But he's also a good director in the film. Yes. You know, so, but no, the process of that performance thing is, I guess, first of all, cast right, find people you trust, then give them an opportunity to do their thing, and give them some rehearsal time to get to know each other and be safe and it's all about trust to me. Yeah, that's what it's about. What's it set like for you? Is it an intimate set, similar to the ones that we saw in the film? Yeah, it is. It's a mixed energy. When the actors are present, we try to make it really soft and, you know, for them, for their individual needs. But when they leave, I tell my team, it's like changing tires on a Formula One card. That would be very quick. It's very expensive to make movies. And in Norway, we don't have an endless budget, so we got to be really effective about it. Well, you're telling a story of a, as you said, of a director who is an acclaimed director who has family issues. As an acclaimed director, do you have to tell your family not to read into this? It was interesting to show it to my family,

35:58because I come from a film family, too. My grandfather was a film director. Both my parents worked with movies. My brother is a documentary director. So, yeah, when they saw it, they were laughing. My younger sister said to me, it's like you've taken a lot of elements that I recognize and put them in a blender. And you're not throwing anyone under the bus, but I see it's you. She also wants her cut, right? Exactly. Yeah. The family cut. People are talking about this film, and I felt it as well. It's a very tender film, which feels bold in this day and age, which we sort of live in this age of irony, where you don't see that in film so often. Is that an Norwegian thing? Is that an intention? Did you want to bring something that felt softer into the marketplace? When you say marketplace, yes, I guess. But no, I think honestly, yeah, the world is complicated. Right now. For many reasons, political reasons on societal levels in many countries.

37:00And I just have, because I have small children, and also have this yearning for some hope, and that there could also be a place in art to see the other, you know? And not necessarily make polarized stories that deal only with antagonists and stuff like that. I try to understand people in the movies I make. Even though this is a family story, it's about two adult women, two sisters. So we're trying to reconcile their relationship to their father. And how they deal very differently with it. And through that, I wanted to make, you know, a friend of mine said the other day, which I was very happy about. You kind of made a happy ending for once you came. But it's not cheesy. And I felt kind of off the hook there. We're trying to do something about the baby steps in a family, where, you know, it's all the stuff we don't know how to talk about. That is really that the core of the drama here. I did a special recently, and I went to Oslo, Norway. And I was struck by many things about traveling to Norway. But the public sculptures in Norway are so beautiful.

38:01There's a famous sculpture park that is both hilarious, dark, and funny, angry baby statues. There's a person in the beach land, I believe. Or like, there's a father who's like catching babies that are up in the air. But also walking the streets of Oslo, I see a lot of statues that, unlike in America, the statues you see here are generals or politicians who have won wars. What I saw was a lot of families. There are a lot of statues of like a mother and a daughter and it felt like culturally, I just saw art and family reflected more walking through Oslo that I see in an American landscape. Interesting. I never thought about it, but when you say it's probably true. There is this kind of, and I also think the politics are geared towards that in a good way, in a good way. Norway has any place, has its political problems. But what I think is good is that you actually get paid time off when you have babies. And you have a guarantee of a place, a kindergarten or a child care thing, you know, from the government and stuff like that. So it's a communist hellscape. Exactly. We are not allowed to speak.

39:02I've been told to say these nice things about Norway. Not at all. No, it's actually the interesting thing to think about is when you pay a lot of taxes, like you do over here as well, that you get something back for it. Some health care and some child care. I don't know. I don't know. And you're still allowed to speak your mind in public. Isn't it interesting? Is that right? Yeah, don't tell anyone. I won't tell anyone. Is property cheap there? That's what I need. No, it's not. Okay. That's still complicated. The politician could work on that. Yeah. Another thing you do in this film that I think is a difficult line to walk, is it's a film about the industry. But it's not, it doesn't feel like it's naval gazing in the industry. Like it's so, it's so, I think there's a tendency with a lot of films if you're going to make a movie about making movies and there's such a reverence for making movies. I don't think this is dogging the profession. But I think you, I assume you had to be very careful with the ways in which you presented this, so that an audience can relate to this and not just see it as the artists

40:02only caring about the things that the artists do. No, no, you're absolutely. I am working with a co-writer for all my six films that I've directed, called Eskil Fukt. And when we read... What is Eskil Fukt? What is Eskil Fukt? V. V. Okay. For now it says F. Okay. V produces Eskil Fukt. Eskil Fukt. Yes. This is... No, wait. Okay, so here we are. I'm f**king moving to my home. He's the easy guy. He's my best friend. He's my best friend. I don't want to laugh at television about his name. Poor guy. He's going to give me a hard time now. Lovely man. We're sitting there and we're making this story and we're realizing... Oh, we're making it about a film group with people like the father's the film director. Naval gazing. Yes. Shameful, isn't it? So what we then try to do is to make it about family. Make it about something that we really want to talk about, which is really how trauma travels through generation. And I think the only way to start forgiving ones' parents is to realize they were kids' ones and what did they go through.

41:02And all those things where... And then we thought, oh, it's interesting because in this family, the father is making a screenplay that he's offering his oldest daughter, played by Renata Reinsvay, because he's an actor. And she certainly don't want to work with him. And then they invite this American actress into it, played by El Fanning, but she's playing the role of the daughter. So that's the setup. But what it's really about is all that stuff about parents and children that we don't really have language for. So it was trying to get to family stuff through the setup of a film family. Yeah. Instead of saying, oh, film people are so interesting. I know. Of course we are. But don't tell everybody that. It's a movie about how do you communicate with your family. It's tender, it's loving. What Marvel movie are you going to direct next? Yeah, what's the... What's the volume? There aren't a B that's interesting to you. Is there a Lego? Maybe the Scrabble movie could be interesting for you. Have you thought of this yet? I think so. Wolverine gone soft. Wolverine gone soft.

42:03Well, I'll be there. I would watch it. The volume is available to rent or buy and we'll be returning to theaters January 25th. You came to here. I get so many headaches every month. It could be chronic migraine. 15 or more headache days a month. Each lasting four hours or more. Botox on a botchaline mtoxin A prevents headaches and adults with chronic migraine. It's not for those who have 14 or fewer headache days a month. Prescription Botox is injected by your doctor. Effects of Botox may spread hours to weeks after injection causing serious symptoms. Alert your doctor right away as difficulty swallowing, speaking, breathing, eye problems or muscle weakness can be signs of a life-threatening condition. Patients with these conditions before injection are at highest risk. Side effects may include allergic reactions, neck and injection site pain, fatigue, and headache. Allergic reactions can include rash, welts, asthma symptoms, and dizziness. Don't receive Botox if there's a skin infection. Tell your doctor your medical history, muscle or nerve conditions, including ALS Lugeric's disease, Myasthenia Gravis, or Lambert Eaton Syndrome, and medications, including botchaline mtoxins. As these may increase the risk of serious side effects.

43:03Why wait? Ask your doctor. Visit BotoxCronicMigraine.com, or call 1-800-44 Botox to learn more. Guess tonight is a two-time Oscar-winning actor, writer and director, who's written in his first novel. It's called Bob Honey, who just do stuff. Please welcome Sean Penn. APPLAUSE Welcome to the show. Thanks very much. This is a book that I would fail to describe with the amount of words I have in my vocabulary. It's a strange story that seems like a metaphor for real life. Bob Honey is a character in the book who goes around murdering people. He's a divorced septic tank worker, and he's an assassin who kills old people with the mallets.

44:05And yet, when I was reading parts of the book, I was like, but this also feels like real life because it seems like what's happening in the world today. Is it a metaphor? So I thought of this character, Bob Honey. And I thought, here's an American man and put him, a guy compelled to service in the country that doesn't actually demand mandatory service, which is something that I've always felt I missed out on. And that's something that would be very important in the sense that it's a young person who, whether the service is forestry or taking care of the elderly or military, whatever it was, that once one had a significant experience of having been able to make a real contribution themselves, that that never leaves them. And therefore, they engage, and by engaging, they're not ignorant. And by not being ignorant, they're not fooled. And they know who to hold accountable in government. So I thought I would take somebody

45:07who couldn't find direction of service, but was compelled to service anyway, and put him in the kind of quicksand of this current climate in the country, and see how he danced over it. One thing I would love to know from you, and to very few people, I would ask this question and expect a candid response, meeting with the people you've met in the world, do you think that we get the full story of what America's doing in the world and how they are shaping what direction the world is going in, having spoken to some of the people who deal with America from the other side? Yes, I mean, I think we're at about 28% of the country that has passports. And then there are various economic reasons why people aren't able to travel. And without that context, I think we do suffer. There's the generally speaking, and I've seen a big change, when the Berlin Wall came down,

46:07I think it had a lot more to do with Levi's 501s and the dream of wearing them, and the Beatles' black market records, then it did with Gorbachev or Reagan. It's just human dreaming having a power to make a change. The human dreaming so much of it was to take the American model, a dream that is that. And increasingly now, I think that what we are is the most armed of existing democracies and beyond that, I don't think that I would say that the respect and the aspiration that we modeled is no longer on our country. That's not a political comment. That's a touristic comment, where I've traveled, it's changed. And I think we owe it to ourselves to get it back. And the only way we do that

47:08is show that we know how to stop fighting with each other. And really listen to each other and really demand that our politicians do the job. And in this case, the job includes, by any historical parallel, the impeachment of this president. You're a fascinating man. I appreciate the world. Thank you very much. Bob Honey, you can just do stuff as an able now. Show him, can't everybody. We'll be right back. I guess tonight, just one, a best actor, Golden Globe, for his role in the Secret Agent. Please welcome Bagnarmora. Oh, that's nice. That's very nice. Thank you very much. I should be saying Golden Globe winner, Bagnarmora. What I should be saying. Thank you. That's a big prize. Well, the movie is It really is a remarkable film. I can't stop thinking about it.

48:08Thank you. I really can't stop thinking about it. How would you describe this film to our audience? Okay, I think this is a film about a man who is sticking with his values when everything around him says these things. He's like, I'm not that lucky. He's like, I can't stop thinking about it. I'm not that lucky. But I'm not that lucky. It's just that, and he's kind of the first person on him says the opposite of what he believes. I think that's what's so resonant about it, right? It takes place in Brazil in 1977. There's a dictatorship. It was a heavy dictatorship. It was a heavy dictatorship, right? From 64 to 85. I was right off the bat. I didn't know much about this movie going into it. And there's a scene that kicks it off, where you drive into a gas station. There's a dead body that is there. That the police aren't going to deal with. They have it dealt with for days. And the police come and they shake you down for money. For money. And it just established this tension that felt very resonant right now. In a time where we're all feeling a certain tension

49:10about the government and what have you. And this film was able to sort of sum up this feeling within seconds. Yeah, it's a scene that sort of establishes like the logic of a dictatorship, right? The law, so I would even say the logic of Brazil because the dictatorship ended in 1985, but it didn't really end in 1985. I mean, the echoes of the dictatorship are still there. When we elected a far-right president in 2018, that man was sort of like a physical manifestation of those echoes. Yes. You talk about, I mean, Bolsonaro, you've had a relationship with, at least. You dated for a while, right? I received this one of the awards that we received, and it went up there to think, I thanked him. I was like, thank you, because without him, we would never have done this film. Because this film comes from the director, Claude Mendonso Filio, and I sharing our perplexity over what was going on in Brazil from 2018 to 2022.

50:12When these men came, elected democratically, but he came to bring back the values of the dictatorship to Brazil in the 21st century. So we were perplexed. How can we deal with that? You're very open and engaged politically, which I don't always see with high-profile actors. You see that as a responsibility with you, like activism and performance. They don't always make beautiful bets. Yeah, I don't see that as a responsibility. I think that this is me. This is how I behave as a human being, and that's also why I'm drawn to political projects, because it's something that I like and that I... But I don't see that as a responsibility, because they're also the pressure to so-called public figures to go out there and speak. I don't think that's even fair, because many people are not ready to talk. And the backlash is very strong. Not everybody's ready for that. Yeah, well, the movie is fantastic.

51:14I really hope people go see it. Congratulations on everything. Thank you. I guys, the secret agent. Oh, thank you. Tonight's guest is the star of both neighbors, two sorority rising, and X-Men apocalypse. They call themselves a sheer en-sebonyer, named after an ancient being. They believe to be the world's first. World's first what? The world's first mutant. These describe a specific set of powers, greater than any man could possess. An all-powerful mutant. Exactly. And wherever this being was, he always had four principal followers, disciples, protectors he would imbue with powers. Like the four horsemen of the apocalypse. You get that one from the Bible. Or the Bible got it from him. Please welcome Rose Byrne. CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

52:19Welcome to the show. This is like a job interview. I didn't bring my savings. Who's getting the job? Why does it feel like a job interview? I'm a desk. I feel like I'm... Is this what job interview is? A job interview. It's not only like a brown desk with papers, pens. I've got some pens under here. Yeah, this one makes... Now it's a job interview. I'll set it up. Now it's a show. Welcome to the show. Thank you. It's not a job interview. You've got every job right now in Hollywood. It feels congratulations. You're doing extremely well in three movies right now. Yeah. Three very different movies as well. X-Men and then neighbours too. And then you have a comedy movie that is out as well with Susan Saran and she was telling me about that. Yeah, the meddler, which is the great movie to take your mom to, or your dad, or a friend or someone. It's like it's a really sweet mother. I like how that escalates it very quickly. Mom, dad, for someone. I know. Just find a stranger on the street. Come on, we're going to watch the meddler. We're going to watch the meddler. But you know what?

53:20This may be weird for some people, but I remember watching you on, it was neighbours in Australia, wasn't it? The soap opera. Oh, the soap opera? Yes, yes. That was huge in South Africa. Oh, really? Yeah. Wow. That's... Oh, man. Really? You could not have made a sound more backwards. Oh, wow. That's a shame. That's a shame. It was you. It was really? Everything. The names. Oh, my God. We would sing that song and I feel like a parent's embarrassing right now. I'm like, yeah, but you have... I didn't know that. I mean, what else is popular there on TV on it? Well, everything else. We just go, like, neighbours and then it's idle and everything else. We just dip into all those Australian films. Oh. That's what we do. That's really what we... I'm very flattered. I'm very flattered. Let's talk a little bit about X-Men. It's a huge franchise to be a part of. And you are playing one of the few non-mutants. Yeah.

54:20Was it fun not having to sit in makeup for hours? Was that, like, your superpower? It basically was. Everyone else is getting, like, blue or green or whatever from 2am and I, like, roll up at 8 o'clock and, you know. But it's a bit dull, really. I mean, who wants to not be a mutant, right? Like, I'm surrounded by people who can, you know, set themselves... Well, they're not really... ...and see, you know... But they're not really doing it while you... Yes, they are. No, I mean, you must have felt cool. The movie's real. Yo, just because we have neighbours doesn't mean we're dumb. Like, you can't trick me like that. But it's a... You do have a superpower. You can do, like, any X-Men. Except South African, that's very hard. Really? Yeah, I'm very impressed with your South African accent. It's not real, is it? No. You're putting that on, right? I'm actually... I'm actually German. Right, yes. Yeah, and you've caught me and now I have to go back... ...to my original accent and the show is spiced! But how many X-Men can you do?

55:20Um... Three. Three, four? Yeah, maybe. I feel like you can do a... I really can't. I can do, like, English, Australian, American. It's about a Canadian. One thing you do have is not just give a talent. You have a gift for cussing real good in neighbours. If you haven't watched neighbours, you have to go. I was a huge fan of neighbours, the first one that came out. Oh, thank you. And it's very rare for the second movie to be as funny, if not funny. It is. It's very challenging, particularly comedy sequels. Yeah. And it's really, I mean, it's actually very funny. And a lot of people thought it was funny than the first one. And it's tough to make a movie where... I mean, it's all about the sorority coming in now. And you would think going up from a fraternity story to a sorority would be like, oh, it gets... it gets raunchy. It gets raunchy. No, the girls are... They're nasty. They're not nasty. So X-Men... X-Men is really... I mean, it's a powerful franchise, it's huge. As well, number one, R-rated comedy in America. So congratulations with that and the meddler coming out as well. Basically, every movie, I'm still a huge fan. I'm still on the fifth season of neighbours.

56:22So I'll catch up to the rest of it. You're very sweet. Well, thanks for having me. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Neighbours 2, sorority rising is out now. And X-Men apocalypse is in theaters Friday, May 27th. Rose Burn, everybody. R-rated comedy. Early burns always rise to the occasion for summer vacation planning, because early gets you closer to the action. So don't feel late. Book your next vacation early on Verbo and save over $120. Rise in shine. Ever savings $141, select homes only. My guest tonight is actor and producer, Michael B. Jordan. He's here to talk about his latest role as action hero, John Clark, and being a force of change on and off screen in Hollywood. You're pretty messy right now. In more ways than one. No, not. I spent half my life playing that game.

57:23I'm wondering what the hell and did their dirty work. We served the country that didn't love us back. Because we believe in what it could be. We fought for what America could be. Michael B. Jordan. Welcome to the Daily Social Distancing Show. What's going on, man? Thanks for having me. It's a different game. Thank you for being here, man. Thank you so much for being here. Congratulations. I just watched the film. I think everybody else has on Amazon Prime without remorse. Before we talk about the movie, I just want to know how much more muscle are you planning to create from your human body? At what point? Because I mean, the whole movie, I'm watching you, and it's very discouraging, Michael, because I stay at home and I eat, and I eat ice cream. And then when I see you, I'm like, do you eat anything? Who are you, man? I mean, I just was about to eat some strawberry donuts. I do eat. I do eat a lot. I've actually let myself go in recent months. It's been pretty bad.

58:25Quarantine. It's taking its toll on this body. But, no, no. I mean, you know, whenever I got to lock in and actually like transform my body for a role, it's, you know, I can get the job done. Cree 3 is coming up, so I have to change it pretty soon. I thought I could catch up to you when you were playing a lawyer. I was like, yeah, I could do this. I could have a Michael B. Jordan lawyer body. And then Michael B. Jordan is like, I'm a boxer in a Navy SEAL. I was like, yeah, no, I'm just going to watch the movies. Oh, congratulations. We got him. No, no. We got to work out one time. That's it. Why would I do that to myself as a human being? Why would I, as Trevor Norgo, work out with Michael B. Jordan, to feel what about myself, Michael? What are you trying to do? Feel great. Feel great. You're going to feel, you know, the first couple of days you're going to feel death. But then after that, you're going to feel great. You're going to feel good. You're going to look even better, which is f***ing hard to do. Let's talk about the movie. Tom Clancy, man. Anybody, anybody who's loved the books, anybody who's loved the games,

59:25I mean, I grew up playing Rainbow Six, you know. Exactly. I'm sure so did you. This movie, without remorse, I watched it with my brother, and he was just like, he was like, man, this is amazing. He was like, this is so much fun. Like, I haven't seen an action movie like this in a long time. Why did you choose to do it? And what made you think, you know what? I can make this something special. You know, first of all, thank you. Appreciate that, man. I'm glad you guys enjoyed it. You know, but just like you, I was at home as a kid playing Rainbow Six video game for hours. And, you know, when my mom would yell at me, he'd get your point get off that damn game. You know, it was like, you know, and I would be in there envisioning myself like in these missions. So when I had the opportunity to take, you know, you know, Tom Clancy, you know, favorite, you know, like in John Kelly and give it a, you know, a breath of fresh air, modernize it, make it more reflection of the world that we live in today. I mean, these type of movies are the things that I grew up watching. Like, I love action movies, you know. So I was like, one day, I want to do my own action, you know, movie. And I'm going to do my own stunts. And this was the one for me to check that box. You trained with, like, it was actual Navy SEAL training

1:00:27that you went through for this movie, right? Yeah, I worked with, you know, military ex Navy SEALs, ex Marines, military divers for a lot of the water work that we had to do. Really, every stunt that you saw, I had a specialist that I spent, you know, enough time to get comfortable with within the stunt. And then went out and executed it. One of the most terrifying stunts in the movie. And I won't spoil it for the people. It involves you in the ocean underwater in a vessel. I won't tell the people what vessel it is. Don't spoil anything. But like, you just, you just underwater flow. The camera doesn't cut as well. That's something I noticed. We just follow you holding your breath, swimming underwater, swimming underwater, swimming. And I was like, and I was like, no, my Michael didn't do this. But you actually did that. Yeah, those are the, that was the one that, you know, it took us about a week and a half to shoot. And every day I would get up and I would get to set. And I would be like, who wrote this? Why did we decide to do this?

1:01:27It was my favorite thing. And then it was my least favorite. Like, I mean, I hate it. And then I fell in love with it all over again once we finished it. Just because we accomplished it. And we got it done. You know, so I mean, it was, it was very ambitious. But it was something that I had to do because Stefano wanted to shoot it in a way that you knew it was me doing those stunts. So yeah, it was something I have to try and really, really hard for. What I loved about the story and you know, to talk to your idea of modernizing the thing is, you know, I know Tom Clancy's novel as well. I've read the books, I've played the games. You know, what I loved about the film as well is, it made you think about this from the perspective of the military personnel. You know, people who go out there and go, I'm fighting for my country only to find out. And we've seen that whether it was with 9-11 or whatever in America where they go like, oh, this is false pretenses, but this is actually my life. You've always been somebody who's been passionate about like, you know, telling military personnel stories or connecting with them as human beings. That part of the story seemed really important to you. And I'd love to know what you were hoping to achieve in telling that part of the story.

1:02:29I think it's just that, you know, the honesty of what it's like, what it's like from the soldier's perspective, who has a family, who has things that they care about, you know, obviously they're dedicated to a service to a country in order to protect the oath. You know, I'm saying to uphold those values. But when that comes home and you feel betrayed, you know, and you're being lied to on so many different levels. You know, how far would a man go to get those answers? You know, I think we all felt like this at one point. We feel so small. We feel like we like, you know, I'm one person. What is my opinion or what is what can I do to possibly change this bigger thing, this bigger elephant that's in the room, this bigger system. And I think John felt like that from a majority of the movie until he started to really feel like, no, I'm taking the power back. I actually can't make a difference. And they're going to see me. They're going to feel me.

1:03:30You know, I mean, they're going to feel what they messed up. And I think, you know, just getting people to think a little bit and to, you know, obviously be entertained and have fun while watching this movie. But at the same time, to start asking questions, you got to hide medicine and food sometimes, you got to put a little sugar with the medicine. And this is a cool vehicle to have fun, but also to think too. Yeah, man, I think part of what helps the people think in this story is who the storytellers are. I mean, you're amazing. You have fans all over the world because of that. But you have to admit, man, your cost was phenomenal in this film. Let's talk a little bit about Jodie Turner Smith. People fell in love with her in Queen and Slim. She's back again in this film. What was also amazing is seeing a woman and not just a woman, but a black woman, assuming a high position, not just in the film, but in the story as well. Like, there were some beautiful scenes where it wasn't like, oh, you know, the guy's got to help her. It's like, no, no, no, she's a soldier. She's here to fight. She's doing her thing. That felt like an interesting way to tell the story

1:04:32in a way that we haven't really seen growing up as, you know, like when we watch movies as action, like, let's be honest, it was like Rambo helps the damsel and distress all the time. And then here was like, no, everybody has a soldier. Everybody's fighting. Yeah, and those are the one of the liberties that we did take. You know, the first black female commander, you know, I'm saying in the Navy, in the Navy sales was something that we definitely made a choice with. It was a scene in there where, you know, we're gun jammed. You know, well, okay, it's very spoiler alert. There was a moment in there where John goes to like, you know, try to rescue and save, you know, Greer, and by the time I get there, it's already neutralized and handled, you know? Right. Right. It was, it was, yeah, man, it was really good to see that, man. And I think, you know, what representation does is so important. And we want that to inspire so many young girls out there that maybe thought that that wasn't possible or not for them that they can go ahead and try to get that too. Michael B. Jordan is now a movie maker and movie producer. You've got a mega deal with Amazon.

1:05:33You're going to be creating content. You're helping others create content. You are a superstar in every single rights. I mean, 2020 saw you voted as people magazine's sexiest man alive. Where does life go from here for Michael B. Jordan? Like, what are your goals now? What do you want to do? Well, I mean, downhill from here. Let's be honest. Where do you go? It's all downhill from here. I mean, why not try my hand at directing? I think that's kind of like a next thing. Okay. Okay. You know, for me, the next challenge, man, is to get behind the camera and tell a story. And like, Creed III is the perfect vehicle for myself because, you know, the third time I would be playing any character, you know, knowing the world, you know, knowing how to, you know, to film the boxing elements of it all, following such a strong system, you know, by slide that he created with the Rocky films and that the Creed continued to do. You know, I guess as an actor growing up in the industry, you're taking direction, direction, you know, all the time from every set that you work on

1:06:33and when you get to a point in age, you're like, well, I kind of want the camera set up here. And I want to, you know, I want to tell it through this lens. And I, you know, and I think it's the perfect time for me right now. So I'm really excited about jumping off the deep end and getting behind the camera and telling the story. So... Well, if you don't do that, you can go and shoot people. I think you're very good at that now. You can go and, like, fight people. I think you're extremely good at that now. And if that fails, I mean, you know, you could probably be a boxer with all the training you've done now. You do realize that, right? I could be okay. I mean, yeah. I got so much respect with those boxes, man. It's insane. Yeah, but you trained, I'm just saying. I'm just saying, like, Michael, I will put my money on you in a fight. You know what? I appreciate that. That means a lot, because I will put my money on me in a fight, too. Yeah. I thought you were going to say you would put your money on me in a fight, but then you just put it back. No, that means... No, it's fine. No, it's cool. It's cool. You can try and make me feel better, Michael.

1:07:33But at the end of the day, we know the truth, man. We know where your money is. Michael, be Jordan. I appreciate you, man. I appreciate your time. I appreciate everything you do. Look after yourself, my dude. Man, keep up the good work, man. I'm so proud of you, brother. Yeah, you are, you know. I'm really proud of everything that you're doing, so this is fun. Much love, man. All right, Mike, take care. All right.