
Stop Losing Sales in Your DMs: Build an Appointment-Setting Team
About this episode
A short No Bollocks business lesson on turning DMs into booked calls, without sounding desperate.
If people are messaging you, watching your content, or enquiring about your offer, but you’re not converting them into calls, you don’t have a marketing problem. You have a conversation-to-sale problem.
In this No Bollocks business lesson, Matt breaks down how to build an appointment-setting team, the people who handle your inbound messages, qualify leads, build trust, and book your calendar with the right calls.
Online sales people call them “setters” (because they set appointments), but this is simply about building a team that turns interest into booked calls and revenue, without sounding robotic or desperate.
What you’ll learn:
- What “appointment setting” actually is (and why it matters).
- Why cheap DM staff kill trust, and how to spot it fast.
- The traits of a great appointment setter: judgment, tone, empathy, speed.
- How to hire: tests that reveal whether someone can handle real conversations.
- How to pay them so they don’t sound needy (and don’t damage your brand).
- The only metrics that matter: call quality, show-up rate, and revenue.
This lesson only works if you implement it. If you want Matt to help you build your appointment-setting system, book a Power Call.
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No Bollocks with Matt Haycox — Stop Losing Sales in Your DMs: Build an Appointment-Setting Team. Machine-transcribed; use the interactive transcript above to jump the player to any line.
Right now, your DMs are probably where your multi-million dollar dreams go to die. You think you're scaling. You've hired a couple of offshore VAs for five bucks an hour. You've handed them a generic script and you've told them to go hunt. You think that you've solved your bottleneck, but here is what's really happening. You're systematically burning your best leads. Every time one of those low skilled, low EQ setters sends a robotic tone deaf message to a high ticket prospect, a bridge is burnt. You're not just losing the five dollars an hour. You're losing the 10K, 25K, 50K lifetime value of a client who just realized that your brand feels like a spam bot. If you treat your front line like a commodity, your bank account will treat your revenue like an afterthought. Today we're going to stop the bleeding. I'm going to show you how to build a team of million dollar setters. I'm talking about emotional architects who can read a prospect's intent through a screen better than most people can in person. We're going to cover the 1% trait. Why emotional intelligence EQ is the only metric that matters in 2026. We're going
to talk about the protagonist profile, which is the specific MBTI type that naturally dominates the DMs. We're going to talk about the hiring gauntlet. It's my exact process for filtering 500 applicants down to three absolute sharks who will protect your brand like it's their own. And we're going to talk about the compensation myth. Why paint some of the 150,000 bucks a year to set is actually the fastest way to make yourself a millionaire. If you're tired of being the bottleneck and you're ready to build a self-destaining revenue generating engine that builds trust while you sleep, sit down, take notes, and let's get into it. Let's start with a confession. I fell for the hype. A few years ago, I listened to the gurus who told me that scaling was a volume game. They said, just hire four people for three bucks in our reach, give them a script and have the message 100 people a day. The mass just works. Believe me, the mass did not work. I ended up with four underpaid, unmotivated text jockies who didn't understand my brand, didn't understand my clients, and didn't even, to be honest, understand English well enough to catch a joke. I spent more time
micromanaging their mistakes than I did actually grow my company. It was a fucking disaster. Here's the first million dollar lesson. In the world of appointment setting, just like any other area of business, one A player will outperform three mediocre players all day long. When you hire for capacity, that's how many messages can they send, you lose. But when you hire for quality, which is how many connections can they make, you win. Think about your setter as the front line. In a high ticket business, the setter is the first human interaction that a prospect has with you. If that interaction feels cheap, robotic, pushy, the prospect assumes that your product or your service is cheap, robotic, pushy too. So stop skimping on talent. You need to treat the setter role with the same level of reverence as a high ticket closer. They are the gatekeepers if you calendar. I once I realised that, I stopped looking for cheap labour and I started looking for one very specific, very rare human trait, high EQ. This is a pivot that took my business from a chaotic mess to a million dollar engine.
Now I've been using this term high EQ and I'm going to use it a lot more. So before we go on, I just want to be very clear about exactly what I mean. Now EQ stands for emotional quotient and it means emotional intelligence. Now I know some of you are thinking, cool. So I just need to hire someone who's nice, no no wrong. Being nice is a commodity. High EQ in the DMs is actually a high level tactical skill. I call it digital intuition. You see, in a DM you're flying blind. You can't see the other person's face, you can't hear the voice and you can't feel their energy. All you have is white text on a grey background. Now a million dollar setter uses a EQ to decode that text into three specific buckets. Bucket number one, the subtext. That's reading the unsaid. Successful DM outreach requires massive nuance. If a prospect is being chatty for three days and suddenly starts giving one word answers, a low EQ setter thinks, well, they're still replying. Let's keep pushing the link. But a high EQ setter they think, hang on, something's shifted. They're stressed.
I'm losing them. Well, they're busy. So they pivot. They say, hey, I can feel that I'm being a bit of a pest. Sounds like you've got a lot on your plate today. Should we pick this up later? Now you see that move right there. It signals that you're human who respects their time. And that builds more trust than a thousand follow-up scripts. Bucket number two, radical empathy. When a prospect mentions a personal detail, I don't know, maybe their kids sick or they've had a rough week. The wolf salesman, they ignore it. And they keep on asking for the booking. But the million dollar setter, they stop. They lean into the emotion. They build rapport. They treat the prospect like a human being. And this green light behavior tells a prospect, yeah, this person actually gives a damn about me, not just by credit card. Bucket number three, strategic patience. High EQ people handle rejection or ghosting with grace. They don't get demotivated. They realize that are not now, isn't a no. They have the emotional stability to play the long burn game, knowing that trust
takes time to bake. And the lesson here is you can teach a script in an hour, but you can't teach EQ in a lifetime. So higher the EQ and train the process. Is there a cheat code for finding these people? I've found one. It's what we call the ENFJ personality type, also known as the protagonist or the mentor. Now, I know those initials might look a bit like random alphabet soup if you're not a cycle unit. So let's break down what exactly this code means for your bank account. The MBTI system, it tracks four specific traits and for a million dollar setter, the ENFJ profile is the gold standard. E stands for extra version, the social battery. This isn't just about being loud, it's about social stamina. A million dollar setter needs the energy to handle 50 to 100 new conversations a day without feeling drained. An introvert might be greater than nuance, but will burn out by noon. You need someone who is energised by the chat. N is for intuition, the digital radar. This
is the big one. Intuitive people look for patterns and subtext. While a sensing person only sees the literal words on the screen, an end type reads between the lines. They can sense a prospect's hesitation or excitement before it's even explicitly stated. This is where the digital intuition comes from. F is for feeling, the empathy engine. In sales, you can lead with logic, thinking, or you can lead with values and people feeling. For the DMs, you want a feeler. Why? Because they prioritise the relationship. They naturally want the prospect to feel good about the interaction. This is what prevents them from sounding like a sales wolf and makes them sound like a mentor. J is for judging. That's to close a discipline. Don't let the word judging fool you. In this context, it means organisation. A J type will have structure, schedules and results. They don't just want to chat forever, they want to drive the conversation to a conclusion, which is usually a book call on your calendar. They're the ones who actually follow up when they say they will. Most sales trainers tell you to hire wolves, aggressive, high dominance
types who want to close, close, close. But in the DMs, a wolf is a liability. They get impatient. They push too hard, too fast. They burn the lead. DMs are a slow burner. It's a consultative environment. You don't want a predator. You want a natural coach. There's a few other high performance variants too. You've got the INFJ, which is the quiet connector. They're more introverted, but they've got an incredible ability to build deep soul level rapport very quickly. Great for ultra high ticket, say 50K and above, where the volume is lower, but the depth is everything. You've then got the ENFP. That's the high energy campaigner. They're incredible opening doors and getting people excited, but they often struggle with that J, which is the organisation. If you hire an ENFP, you'll need to give them a very strict CRM to keep them on track. The pro tip, if you're looking at resume, look for a history of teaching, coaching, or high end hospitality. Those are the pressure cookers where high EQ and those specific personality traits are sharpened. You want someone who knows how to serve people, but also has the discipline
to lead them to a decision. So, where do you get these people? You don't find million dollar talent on a random job board with a two sentence ad. You've got to design a process that acts as a filter. Now, I recently ran a hiring round where we had over 200 applicants, and we ended up hiring exactly three people. Here's how we ran that gauntlet. First of all, we did what I call the loom test. Our application requires a three minute video introduction. If they don't send a video, then they're out. If the video is low energy, or they couldn't articulate the thoughts clearly, they're out. That process alone immediately cuts out 70% of the field. Secondly, we have the nuanced challenge. We give them three real world DM screenshots where the prospect was been difficult. We asked them, what is the prospect actually saying here, and how would you respond without using a script? And then thirdly, we use the simulated environment. We do live role plays during the interview. I'll play the skeptical prospect and we'll see if they folded under pressure or if they stayed calm and empathetic. Now, pro tip, if you want A players you have got to advertise
an A player opportunity. Mention the growth, mention the culture, and yep, mention the high earning potential. Right, let's tackle the offshore debate. Can you find incredible team members in the Philippines, in Vietnam or in Latin America? Absolutely. I've worked with people in these regions who are world class, hard working and brilliant, but as I scaled into the multi-multimally in dollar arena, I made a very deliberate and expensive pivot. I moved away from offshore volume, and I moved towards native English speakers. Here's why, cultural nuance. You see, a million dollar setter doesn't just reply to messages, they riff, they understand that soul language of your target market. If your prospects are probably in the US, the UK or Canada or similar regions, they've got a very specific, unspoken way of communicating. They use subtle humor, they reference certain sports, they've got a specific vibe around holidays, and they use slang that isn't in any textbook. And the problem is, when you hire offshore, you often run into a clunky
interaction. If a prospect makes a joke about the Super Bowl, for example, a specific Monday TV show, or even just sarcastic comment about Monday mornings, an offshore setter might miss that beat. That one second delay, that slightly off-response, it breaks the illusion of one-to-one connection. That prospect's spidey sense goes off and they realize, hmm, that isn't the person I've seen the videos, that is a support agent. And in that split second, the trust that you've worked so hard to build through your content is evaporated. But a native speaker, they can build rapport in 10 seconds that takes a non-native speaker 10 minutes. They understand the subtext. They know when to be self-deprecating, when to use a specific emoji, or when to challenge a prospect's excuse, in a way that feels like tough love from a friend, rather than a script from a stranger. If you're selling a high-ticket service, we're talking 5K, 10K, 25K up, you are in the trust business. And in the trust business, your margins aren't made by saving two grand a month on a VA salary. Your margins are made by converting that one whale, that one whale lead that was sitting
on the fence, but decided to book a call because they had an incredible human conversation in the DMs. The trust premium of a native English speaker is worth every penny of that higher salary. You're not paying for typing, you're paying for the native level intuition that makes a stranger feel that they're talking to appear. So, what do we pay these high EQ rock stars? You can't build a million dollar team on a commission-only structure. Now, I know that's controversial, but think about the psychology. If your setter is 100% commission only, they're constantly just one bad week away from being unable to pay their rent. That creates commission breath. They start pushing too hard, they get desperately prioritised, the booking over the relationship. And my structure is a solid base. I pay a healthy base salary. Think 60K, 75K for local talent. This provides security. It tells them a value your time and your skill, even on the days that you don't book a call. But I then have a very aggressive commission. On top of the base, they get a percentage of every deal that closes from the bookings. And the results, I've got team members who can make 150K, 180K a year. And when you pay someone
180 grand a year to be a setter, you're not hiring a VA. You're hiring a high-level sales professional who will stay with you for years, protect your brand and treat every single lead like gold. So, you've done it. You've run the gauntlet, you've hired your high EQ unicorn, and you've got the compensation plan I end out. It's the first day on the job. You hand them a 50 page PDF of scripts and you tell them to start typing right? Wrong. If you do that, you just set your investment on fire. Million dollar setters don't use scripts. They use frameworks. If you give a setter of scripts, you're turning a high-level emotional architect into a low-level robot. And in a world saturated with AI-generated spam, prospects can smell a script from a mile away. It feels transactional, it feels cold, and more importantly, it feels like a trap. Instead, you need to train them on the philosophy of the sale. You aren't teaching them what to say, you're teaching them how to think. Here are the three pillars of the million dollar training protocol. Pillar number one, the digital chameleon. That's mirroring. In psychology,
mirroring is how humans build rapid rapport by subtly imitating the person that they're talking to. In the DMs, this is your setter's primary weapon. You've got the cadence. If a prospect is short, professional, and uses emojis, and your setters replies with a paragraph of hey babe, blah, blah, blah, so excited to chat, the connection is dead, it's a mismatch. You've got the energy. If the prospect loud, uses slang, and letters detects with fire emojis, the setter needs to match that energy. Train your team to be a digital chameleon. They should look at the last three messages at a prospect cent, and match the length, the tone, and the punctuation. Because it lowers the prospect's guard, because they feel like they're talking to a peer, not to a salesperson. Pillar number two, that's the discovery gap. This is the most important concept in high-ticket setting. Your setter's job is not to sell a call, it's to find the gap. The gap's to space between where the prospect is right now, that's the pain, and where they want to be, that's the goal. If there's no pain, there's no need, and if there's no goal, there's no motivation, so train your setters to be digital detectives. They should ask questions that lead the prospect
to realise, wait, I actually have a massive problem, I can't solve on my own. So once a prospect realises that they're standing on one side of a canyon, and you have the bridge, the booking happens naturally. The setter's not pushing them onto a call, but simply offering them a lifeline. Pillar number three is the vibe transfer that's shadowing. For the first week, your new hire shouldn't be sending a single original message, they should simply be shadowing you or your top former. They need to download your brain. Let them watch how you handle a prospect who's being rude. Let them see how you use humour to disarm a skeptic. Have them sit on your slack or your discord and watch the conversations happen in real time. They've got to absorb your brand voice. Are you a tough love mentor? Are you an empathetic peer? Are you a scientific authority? By shadowing, the setter learns the unwritten rules of how you communicate. After that week, they shouldn't just be typing words, they should be channeling the brand. Now once you've got these high EQ unicorns, you have to lead them. High EQ people hate being micromanaged. You've got to build a culture
that rewards outcomes, not activity. Now, I don't track message volume. If you track volume, you incentivise spam. Instead, I track the metrics that actually move the needle. That's quality of book call. Are these people actually a good fit or is a setter just filling the calendar with junk to look busy? We track show-up rates. Did the setter build enough hype and report for the prospect to actually show up to the zoom call? We track revenue generated. That's the ultimate metric. This is what we're all here for. Create a culture where your setters feel like partners, not employees. Give your setters the permission to prioritise genuine connection. If they spend 30 minutes researching a lead to send one perfect message, celebrate that. Encourage them to share their learnings. If they find a new objection or a better wording, then that's gold for the whole team. Support them emotionally. DMs are draining. Celebrate the wins and laugh off the rude responses together. The most beautiful part of building this kind of team is that your setters are your farm system for your closers. Because the high EQ, and they've spent months, often years, nurturing
relationships in the DMs, they're often the best people to actually get on the phone and close the deal. I had the 19-year-old on my team who had zero sales experience, but massive EQ. He started as a setter. He built incredible rapport and eventually moved into a dual role. He was closing deals at a higher rate than even the veteran salespeople because the prospects already trusted him. By building a million dollar setting team, you're effectively building a leadership pipeline for your entire company. So, there you have it. That is the full blueprint. Look, you can keep trying to hack the system with cheap labour and automated bots, but in a world where everyone is being spammed, authenticity is the only thing that scales. Invest in the who, find the high EQ protagonists, pay them what they're worth and train them like elite athletes. If you do that, you won't just have a setter team, you'll have a million dollar revenue engine that grows even when you're sleeping. It's hard work, but it is one of the most valuable things that you can do for your business.
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