
Space, Part 2: Behind the Scenes at The Met
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What is hidden in the 'empty' spaces of an art museum?
The Met is more than a museum of art. It is a city unto itself: population 2,000, with a transient population of 5 million. The Met is 21 buildings nested together like puzzle pieces, and it takes 400,000 light bulbs to illuminate all the spaces. But who actually changes those light bulbs? In this episode, peek behind the curtain and meet the people who maintain the hidden ecosystem of The Met.
Guests:
Marco Leona, David H. Koch Scientist in Charge, The Met
Eric Breitung, research scientist, The Met
Anna Serotta, conservator, Objects Conservation, The Met
Louisa Lam, security officer, The Met
Frida Escobedo, architect
Featured artworks:
Coffin of Irtirutja, 332–250 BCE. Egypt: https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/551163
Vincent Van Gogh, Cypresses, 1889: https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/437980
For a transcript of the episode and more information, visit metmuseum.org/immaterialspacepart2
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Immaterial is produced by The Metropolitan Museum of Art and Magnificent Noise and hosted by Camille Dungy.
Our production staff includes Salman Ahad Khan, Ann Collins, Samantha Henig, Eric Nuzum, Emma Vecchione, Sarah Wambold, and Jamie York. Additional staff includes Julia Bordelon, Skyla Choi, Maria Kozanecka, and Rachel Smith.
Sound design by Ariana Martinez and Kristin Muller.
Original music by Austin Fisher.
Fact-checking by Mary Mathis and Claire Hyman.
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