Solid Waste Advisory Committee - March 9, 2025

0:00All right, Condit order the Solid Waste Advisory Committee meeting on Monday, March 9, 2020, 5 at 5 o 3 p.m. Do a roll call, Henry Hastamp is present, Neil Flugge. Here. Calvin Miller is absent. Jonathan Payne. Here. Nicole Roskamp. Here. Kim Burnham Alternate is also absent. As is Assemblymember Burnham. Uh, okay, so we have a quorum. So that is a good start. And approval of the agenda. Anyone wants to get that going? Motion to approve the agenda. Second, the motion is been made and seconded to approve the agenda. Any discussion? Hearing none, all of those in favor? Hi. Hi. Any opposed? Hearing none, approval or the agenda is approved.

1:03Working on to the minutes from February 9th, 2026. And then see anything wrong with the amendments, didn't anybody? Corrections. I looked at all. Yeah, I used them to like function, but after last meeting, so I'll prepare. Um, yeah, I didn't think, I didn't see anything that needed to be changed at all. Okay, motion to approve the minutes from February 9th is written. Second. All right, motion has been made and seconded. Any other discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor of approving these minutes? Hi. Hi. Hi. Any opposed? None. Awesome. Citizen friendly. Steve Burnham. Steve Burnham's citizen. I'm going to get your compost collection of commercial compost.

2:07I just wanted to comment on the added proposal. Part of this is number D. So if 1320, 45D, it says restaurants, food trucks, grocery stores, and other food vendors are encouraged to utilize stamp compostable to go packaging. Compostable packaging may be disposed of with commercial compost. And I thought I would just point out that if they're encouraged to, they're not required to, which makes it difficult to scrape a plate that has the wrong kind of napkin. And if the restaurant is required to compost then they're

3:08putting potentially non-compostable in the compostable. And if they weren't required to, it sort of defeats the purpose. So consider not encouraging and actually making restaurants at least use napkins that are compostable. And if they're not, if it's not compostable, generally, it's going to come out the other end of the compost equipment. Or it's going to gum it up. So, but if they're composting, then make them compost. Otherwise, it's sort of halfway. Okay, thank you, Stephen. I appreciate that suggestion. And yeah, I'm open to hearing any discussion on that.

4:16I mean, that makes sense, but I just wonder how much more expensive it is to force the food vendors to purchase all compostable stuff. I know that's the idea and that's what we want them to do, but it might be able to talk to this. I have real world, like, actively. Yeah, currently. And how much more of your visit to buy? You are looking at, in some cases, it's a double in cost. So in some cases, it's only a few pennies. Stuff started on a so expensive up here around the business. I don't want to bore berries from thing to thing on how much that cost. Well, it will, it will be forced. We're forcing businesses to increase their costs. Considerably, which will then be passed directly to consumers in most cases, which we should, if they can stay in business.

5:18Correct. Correct. That would be enough to really keep in mind that anything that we force is a direct concern. I know that anything that I get from certain restaurants all has a to go be attached to it. Whereas my business is not. But you might, if we force your business in a bi-composable stuff, then we're almost forcing your business to add that fee and you're already trying to keep. I understand. Correct. Just knowing that, again, I'm actively sourcing all of these things for my business. And I appreciate that. So being here to explain. And to go to Mr. Burnham's comment about napkins, I have not seen anything as far as like paper-compostable napkins as for it. But I also haven't actively sourced those. So I'm not sure how of really ready available they are to get and or what the composition difference is for them to

6:29become compostable, biodegradable. There's a lot of terms that are used within the purchasing piece that I have had to like. Yeah, biodegradable is not possible. And correct. Also, also what it seems like to me is the majority of the compost that we're getting from the restaurants in food service places isn't, isn't leftovers that are getting scraped off a plate as much as it's a kitchen prep prep and stuff that's coming out of the kitchen. That's the majority of what we're getting from the restaurants in the food service places. Yeah, I just personally sourced compostable stuff for the race. So, for whatever reason. How much more was that comparatively? It was definitely more expensive, but for the most part there was a couple reasonable options in every kind of class that I was through paper, napkins plates, cups for the racers to have

7:33their greater aid shots or whatever. And you got low composable cups. Yeah, cool. Yeah, just like the Bruko of the PLA ones, like they're I was pleasantly surprised. I didn't do a ton of threat comparison between non and composable. Definitely cost a little bit more, but as an organization, we are out in the woods. You know, we're trying to make it a better place. So, yeah, it falls in line with our thing and we just make it work. Yeah, your value system for being out in the woods is different. Yeah. And just, you know, in general, it's kind of the way the planet is going. So, and for the napkins, I have not ever seen non-composable napkins. St. napkins are composable, but the table towels have micro plastics and like plastic elements, thermal, what it's called. So, like tea bags, what most tea bags are composable. Yeah, they have this plastic in it as well. So, that's one thing we could definitely clarify. Because, I mean, most napkins are napkins and fine. You know, granted, you know, having something

8:34that's not chlorine bleached is probably better than just the regular, cheap napkins that you can buy off your supplier. But I think overall, napkins are okay. They do make a composable towel. I have found, I have sourced. It is just, just, just, just, just cloths or bamboo or something. I don't know exactly what the makeup of it is, but it is labeled as composable. Oh, wow. And I haven't, and also I haven't seen any napkins or towels come out of the back end of the composter. Everything that's gone in there has come out as compost. I have one paper towels will degrade into my home. Yeah, micro plastics. So, there's that too. Yeah, absolutely. Even if you don't see it in a child. Yeah. That's their cert by, like, most of all. So, we're saying it whatever on the bag, but what if maybe you weren't that I would be happy to take this on to, like, type up a thing to give to restaurants that says, like, what you are looking for in terms of

9:34what our compost you can compost. And then to remind them that composting is free and say, like, how much, like, 20 pounds of garbage is for them. Yeah, not just, not just free, but, you know, they don't pay for it. It would take the price off of their garbage. And also for restaurants, we pick it up so they don't even have to, we provide them with the can. We pick it up. If they make more than their can, we give them another can. Like, we're basically making it as free and easy, but to give them the comparison with how much they would be paying in garbage or a can for a compost that is happening free, I think might be, might encourage the ones that aren't composting already. Yeah. To maybe compost because it'll save money. Yeah, it'd be a good incentive. Like, would you rather spend money buying compostable things or would you rather spend money throwing things away? Well, and I did that same cost comparison for my business. And I was at max of

10:35three dumpsters a week. Like, I probably going to this compostable model, I probably can drop at least one, if not more, depending what do you think a week for? I don't think I mean, sure. I mean, it's a pickup is, but not like a weekly. Yeah, I would have to go back and like, look at that, but it's yeah, I think it's for each dumpster pickup, you know, plus rent in the dumpster, buying the dumpster. Correct. So, I mean, either because the city is covering this huge expense for owners, I mean, we did a study a long time ago where 33% of the waste is compostable waste. And that's what got compost or started, you know, all this stuff. In the city is paying, you know, quite a bit to make to do their compost. Yeah. Yeah. You guys around. Yeah, hourly, hourly, not just the man hours for that, but running the composter, keeping it up and going.

11:41So, I'm not as hesitant to, to say it's mandatory to get like most of the little stuff, just for that fact, a little like where it's kind of like a give and take, you know, we are providing the service that a freak for these businesses. It makes me worried. There's saving money on top of that on the garbage. It makes me worried about like if somebody wanted to start like a small business. And it could be the difference. It could be the difference between them like making. I do most of the products almost all of my good things. I do up things as they cost, you know, I have a cost formula and I also keep it in check because I want to support locally. And I suppose if they know going into it, then they can put that into their price point. Yep. Or raise their price point if they have to. And like for me, then I think it's I have like old compostable stuff that like maybe has gone back just because my poor storage or had it too long because it does

12:42do great over time. But at least you're still not paying it throughout the way. Yeah. I love that. I can save all my scraps from every compostable plastic bag that I use and to give it away. You know what I mean the compost for you. Yeah. So especially because there's so few businesses like how many businesses aren't actually using combustible to go. I don't think it's necessarily the the fact that businesses aren't is that there might be the one or two different products that are hard to separate. And that's one of the things that I'm trying to find for like specifically my burrito wraps. It's not compostable because I have foilets too. But you need to know how do I get my customers to figure out the difference between the two. Yeah. Because I don't because in my business model, I don't have somebody manning a trash can to be able to understand where where the

13:43where the line is. It's and getting people to read or I don't know. It is 100% not like not in there. Yeah. It's not. People are on vacation. They're not paying attention. And does they see enough signs every day? You know. So I that that has been my trouble. This is I've got to find very very specific products that may or may not be easily easy to source. I know specifically my burrito wrap is a problem. Yeah. And one of what other options are there for that. Right. Right. And right now I need it to be like that. I need it to be readily available. And you know, do I have a two-month lead time? I mean, that's what my purveyors telling me right now is that I've got six weeks from the time I order it to the time I receive it. And I've got to order enough yeah before the next time I so like it's it's a yeah. Roll dice in some cases. So it's just one of

14:44the things that I'm not opposed to it. I obviously I'm actively I'm actively trying. But it's it's it's a it's a very it could be that just one or two products. It's either hard to source or it doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense. It's very hard to separate like those are the things that I worry about. If we if we mandate to say like every restaurant has to do this. What about it does does it? Yeah. What are the consequences? Someone doesn't A or if it's something specific like something to wrap a burrito where there's not a composable option that makes sense for it. Right. Right. And how do you separate it out and how do you figure out that whole process? Yeah. Oh, it's just the challenges that I'm going through. Yeah, and you're a little different too because people are walking away with their stuff and then they do

15:45as they will. Whereas through co let's say you're you're the person being like oh yeah I'm not going to put that fork in the compost. Could anyone go shut that window please? I'm just slow. I can't get away from it. That's my like cataract eye too. Let's get this crazy glare. I'm not again. I'm not opposed to what we're discussing. Yep. No, that's why we're about to. That's why we pray. That's why we need to discuss it though. We're going to mandate it. We need to understand all the. Oh, thank you so much. That's the wine. That's awesome. That's funny. Thank you, Nicole. Um, you know, maybe we do something like an exception, you know, or like give one avenue of out for those things that are specific things that it's. Prohibitive. Yeah. And then if someone does call you out on that item, you just have the ability to be like yeah, no, there's no other option for my burrito wrapper that's composed of all that will actually let me walk them away unless you want plastic like clamshells. Then you know, like. Yep. So maybe

16:50that is somehow we can kind of work that in. We can find places to have exceptions. Yeah, you know, like your paper to go boxes are probably getting close and priced to your styrofoam to go boxes at this day and age. You know, we're like, we've been talking about it for years. Not technology has just expanded. Oh, yeah. They can't. It's not comfortable to go things are way better than they used to. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, I do agree with Steve for sure, but I also hear that, you know, it's hard to make these programs work. You know, that's why we haven't had a plastic bag ban ever dialed in yet, because we've been talking about it for 10 years, but we just can't figure out how it's going to work. You know, I mean, thankfully, now other towns are doing it, so you always get that good kind of advice. Looking at other how other people do it, but, you know, we're also scared away and weird. Oh, yeah. And for a letter, we kind of did that last year. It's not quite as specific as you're talking about, though, but that was just kind of like the wildlife awareness

17:53messaging. We were really pushing last year. So doing something like that's totally doable. Emily's never not supported outreach. So, yeah. I mean, if we, do you guys are okay with that, I'd be happy to write that up. Okay. And just to really reiterate, like, compost is free. This video, come pick it up for free. Spend your money on composable things. Yeah. Yeah. Having a link just have like, yeah, he's savory. It's like, here's a bad soul info. Yep. I'm all about that. Yeah. If you're able to eliminate one dumpster and all per week, this is your potential savings. Yeah. I think that that's if from from a business owner standpoint, that's what's going to tip the son of Edel in in favor in saying like, okay, it's it saves you $300 per dump. Well, I think I think the perruco's saving two dumpsters per week.

18:56And they've really leaned into the composting program. And I would imagine it's saving them thousands of dollars. And you personally, I can, I can tell you a lot of that. That it probably will save me thousands of dollars over the course. Good. But it's, it's a matter of you've got to be 100% dedicated to it. And yeah, you got to make the transition. And I think I'm just grateful for brooco because they have such a great example. You know, like, they have signs in their bathroom garbage is about compost and trash. And it has worked out for them. People are getting it. But they, the signs are also right there. You know, like, they have definitely like strategic placement of that stuff. I mean, I have, I have a hard time people separating glass and cans. Yeah. And which is right. Everybody's going to me. Exactly. They have a hard time doing it when she, when they make the trip out to the composer to recycle on purpose. Sometimes people still have a hard time with that. So, yeah, it is. That's been ongoing the entire life of that recycling trailer. Just people in the wrong

20:00shit in there, you know. Okay. And also the, I think we're not going to know if this is approved yet. It's already been to a different committee. Emily talked about it in her memo. Public works committee. They reviewed this draft ordinance. And they did not forward a recommendation. So we should address these questions on the front of her memo. The one through five, one through six. And we did 15, 24 hours. Where is just the 26 XX the commercial collection of compost. And then she did a draft updated from 2019. That was our old like outline and then a memo from February 6th regarding the draft restaurant compost ordinance.

21:15So, yeah, number one shall begin. That's what we're we're doing here is making it mandatory and you know, even with the to go box thing, we're not necessarily making it mandatory for like Jonathan to make all his people compost. You know, it's more of the kids. Yeah, the kids. Yeah. But also keeping plastics out of the way stream by taking advantage of our composting program. Your garbage gets cheaper. We don't have a shit ton of plastic floating around everywhere now because they are like paper things usually. So yeah, anyway, I guess this is kind of going on attention there. Just thinking about the shall thing that yes, and we're trying to get them to make commercial composting a requirement. Yeah, not necessarily across the board for composting things, but just doing it for at least your prep kitchen and stuff like that. Yeah, I mean, this specifically says compost food waste. So I think that can easily be a

22:18shell. Yeah, I think that definitely. I don't know how you would enforce it though. I mean, with many things in our code, like we barely get animal violations, you know, like bears get in the wildlife, you know, violations are barely just finally got addressed after years of shooting bears, you know, like just takes time and people like us still push it forth, you know, it doesn't get forgotten. So, okay, it sounds like everyone they all think shell is fine. It means it's required. Enforcement unresolved. You have probably to be enforced, not have an answer. You know, my only thing I wrote down is public works employees reporting violations, but not enforcing, enforce with permitting official or public works director, which, you know, he doesn't need more work, but no one. I think we work with the permitting official. We work with

23:21with the police like. Yeah, right. I mean, it's kind of getting enforced a little bit. Yeah. I mean, because you know when bears are getting into people's garbage cans and bears are birds. I mean, when people don't have their trash the right way, then we take picture of it and we send it to the chief of police and then he sends a guy out to talk to them. They can just kind of do the same thing with composting. Yeah. I mean, if somebody's putting trash in their compost, I will talk to them first. Yeah. And if that doesn't work, then I can take pictures of it for proof and then to the chief and the chief can discuss things with them. And then there can be fines after warnings, but I think an open, open communication with the customers that are composting, I think, is the key thing. Yeah. Just to be like, hey, this can't go in here anymore. Talk to your employees. And we've had that happen before with places and they get cleaned up. It just opens, yeah, open communication. Yep. 100%. Now, like forcing them to compost, I think the

24:24only thing is is like if their compost bin is empty every week, then you'd have to have a discussion there and how much they're composting because we're not going to like go through their trash and look for compostable items when we dump their dumpster. But that'll be kind of a gray area. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Yeah, it's definitely a gray area, but you know, our whole system is based on complaints. We have a complaint based system. You're kind of fine doing whatever you want. It's also a complaint. Yeah. And that's how we kind of address things. Yep. I think the one concern about enforcement is not put it on to you guys. Yeah. The city employees, you know, like there's that fine line about like we think you have to police people when that's not. No, we can we can observe and then and then send it 10

25:29for us. I think that I know what I mean. Valid and let's you know your job and it's waste handling and making sure it's all done in a way that aligns with city code. So yeah. I mean, if that ever became a problem, then I think maybe we'd have to address that then. But who else is going to know? You're the only one that's ever going to know. Yeah. You know, otherwise I have to go complain about a restaurant and like sneak in there and look in their garbage cans and if you don't know, that's no. I think it'll just be an observation thing by public works employees and then the enforcement will come from. Like how you save things and such. A car not paired properly for getting into the junkyard. You know, like you guys work with people doing that. You explain them how things work. And so I think that's a valid and they'll be a learning curve with with this. So, you know, there can be multiple warnings before the enforcement is actually needed. I have

26:30more or less multiple communications than warnings because sometimes people just don't know. Yep. 100%. And you know, we have had really good results. You know, it's already happened. I'm pretty smooth list smoothly. You know, it's working pretty good out there. Yeah. I think we're doing a good job and the people that are in the restaurants that are composting are we're getting a lot of compost out of the trash stream and it's all pretty clean. Yeah, it's a win win. Yeah, it's been working. So I think we just kind of they just we just need something codified properly in the extent that we want it codified. Anyone else have any ideas on enforcement or any thoughts about that? I think that exactly what we're saying is just right. Absolutely. It isn't the only thing. You know, other than self enforcement of yourself, you know, has been some summer. Yep. Okay, so I guess I will just reach out to Emily and you can always do

27:36that too. Nail, if you just want to reach out to Emily instead of the cops, if you don't want to be like the person reporting them to the cops, you can just report it to Emily too and she can deal with it. It's easy enough for me to just text JJ. I've got and then he talks to his guys. That's what we do when people have like if people's overfill their trash. The majority of those communications are when somebody overfills their trash can to where the lid can't shut down and then the crow's and ravens get to it before we get to it and then there's trash blown all over the alley or all over the street. Yeah. Then I take a picture of it and send it to JJ and then he goes and either he goes or he sends one of his guys and they have a conversation with them and I think they get warning first. Yeah. But just to let people know like your trash needs to be up to code. Otherwise, there's problems. Okay. And whatever that system's kind of established. So I feel like and we can and then and then we can just, you know, kind of push that same system through to composting once it's mandatory. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're already doing that. So

28:39okay. So yeah. I guess keep that in your brain if anyone has any other ideas. Self-composting ambiguity identified. Members, your answer. Oh, because so this is for like if someone wants to compost their own stuff. Yeah. The restaurants are already doing their own composting. Are there any? I mean outside of like some garden stuff about the scale going in. No. Don't think so. But in here. Yeah. There's a thing on self-composting. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're talking about. We run rent. Uh, where's the sub a 13 2045 A1. A1? Oh, self-composting. Yeah. Yeah. Businesses may compost

29:41their own organic material. Businesses choosing to self-compost are not required to use the municipal composting service. However, compostable materials shall not be disposed of with regular solid waste. Okay. So these the black ones, the old ones are new, you know, added on. So I think Emily usually like takes this stuff, converts it into code speak. And so that's what we've been trying to review. So why is it ambiguous? This is just a language. I think it's because she wants us to read over what she proposed as in a proven. Yep. I just am I am I understand that. I guess I'm I can't remember if this was in the year with the first iteration of this draft or not. So she definitely could have added it after she got a feedback from public works. So that's why I'm guessing it just got added in after the public works meeting. Not after

30:45when we sent it to public or to back to the because we approved it first, then it went to planning public works. And now we're getting it back from public works with their suggestions in it as well. So I think that's just addressing that a one. So I it sounded gonna make compost on the ground to your own chainsle cows. Yeah. Use a municipal composting. I mean that sounds pretty clear. Yep. Like don't doorway your compost in the regular garbage. And have any for self self composting. Okay. And then amendment adopted at the committee level to clarify container requirements that food waste must be opposed to dispose of for composting and municipality approved bear resistant can. This we didn't send through, but after when I was typing up after

31:45we approved the first version, I was like, Oh, we should have made it mandatory. So I just texted her and you apparently got that in photo public works and they were on board. So that is now in their 045 a. Yeah, municipality approved bear was in Canford collection separate from containers you'd lost for other solid waste. The city supply those your two businesses. The city supplies them. Yeah, the city. Yeah, the city owns the cans, but they supply them for composting. So the whole composting program is free. That's freaking amazing. Like wow. Okay, so then that should be an issue for people. Okay, additional policy is encourage

32:45compostable to go packaging and service wear. So I guess that's kind of the last thing or second to last thing around here. So so that's yeah, that's D045 D restaurants, food trucks, grocery stores, and other food vendors are encouraged to utilize stamped compostable to go packaging, compostable packaging, maybe disposed of with commercial compost. So it says may it doesn't say must. So that's I think something to keep the may in there because then we're not like forcing that that end that's a little less controllable. So then it would we want to have like D number one like some sort of an exception for a reason when it's okay not to have compostable packaging. Oh yeah, I'm sorry, I guess we should change our

33:50encouraged our required to our required instead of our recurred encouraged required if that's the tack we're going on here. I really I don't know if you can require like I know like we've had issues that been answered before where like we had compostable bags they were to ripping. So like when we were waiting for better ones to come in we were using our plastic ones that are not compostable. And I think it is kind of trial and error. I don't know and again it's the cost thing. Yeah, yeah, I mean they're already making money off of the city doing this composting program. So the least so I think it's fair for us to have some sort of requirements with a good exception rule for those situations for things you cannot source compostable yet. I think I think that that that's where we

34:53make on like a one a D one. Yeah, a D one. And maybe it has to be submitted with approved of for approved exception. I would be more okay with that in saying and if it ever came up or if you know someone was saying oh well somebody's not doing it then you at least have something to kind of fall back on and go okay hey this is what we have have please use a if for any any materials that would be leaving you property because again it's a matter of whether it's leaving your property and not going to the good poster or if it's if it's on your property that's going to get it that is a very muddled piece because we're talking specifically about

35:59restaurants providing it to the customer whereas and and trying to get it into the the composting system right like so that's I think that's just the furniture needs to reflect. Yeah, yeah and that's kind of I like the compostable packaging may be disposed of with commercial compost because that I think it kind of addresses that situation where it's not now it's not required. It's it may I like the may in that and then saying you know maybe for the first sentence we change encourage to other food vendors like shall utilize stamped compostable to go packaging when possible. Yeah, I think that when possible should be a separate a line item okay just to under this base but I do I think shall is the right word shall instead of aren't that or we

37:03said I've already quite so shall change it to shall shall shall is and then that the one would be when possible exceptions will be made yeah exceptions describe some kind of like how how they apply for exception. Yep, on like a case-to-case basis. Yeah, it opened it. Yeah, I like a case-to-case basis. Yeah, let's not put ourselves in a corner of no because I don't think I personally don't think we're going to see a lot of those exceptions. But if somebody needs one they should be able to kill. Yeah, yeah and you know there's always every time we do code in seven really hesitant about making any more work for anyone else. So including business owners don't really want you to have to be like these are my non-compostable things is that okay you know to Emily or whoever is busy you know like who's going to police that and you know so I don't know that's kind of my brain too but you know

38:10did we just stick with the complaint-based system and this kind of self-monitoring that you guys are just doing kind of naturally because you're in there and you see it all and no one else can do that and that it falls on to the responsibility of the business owner to make sure you know they're following all city-state federal regulations. Yeah, I mean honestly that's the responsibility of every business owner. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, when I talk about the thing to hand out to restaurants I can put that line of code in there. Yep, it's saying like it's we aren't asking you this is like a you have to be confident. Here's a change in our in our policy that's bringing to your attention. Yeah, yeah, I like that and you know do we we can include a grace period like you know a year to figure it out. Yeah, it'll be mandatory by next summer not this summer.

39:12Yeah, that feels so reasonable. At least then you can test stuff this summer to you know start working that out but I don't know when this is actually it passed overall so that also might it might just keep going for a while and then all of a sudden a year is like three soon you know in 23. Yeah, yeah. So maybe a grace period to grace period of one year let's just we can just leave it open up one year of past since passing ordinance. Yeah. So that will be like D maybe that'll be D2 I don't know that'll okay. So maybe more in the exceptions language trying to

40:15you know do we can is there some generalization we can say where they kind of get the idea of like we understand some things are impossible to source composable. You know have proof of that you know like if it's it'll be on the business owner to provide that information if anyone asks or something to just put it where the city doesn't have to do work the business doesn't have to do work until there's a complaint or a problem or tin foil getting into the compostables. You know like I don't I think it should be pretty open and I'm trying to think of verbiage that yeah it makes sense other than just you know exceptions are are considered based on the needs of individual businesses

41:16at the time of request meaning at that time you're requesting to do something different because of whether it's splicing issue or whatever you know it had you there is it is per individual business. Yeah so just make it flexible yeah I mean it gives us flexibility and I'm I'm even thinking about new businesses may say like okay well not necessarily requiring them but saying like hey show us what your new composable products are or what your new businesses are doing because again me opening five years ago wouldn't have even thought about this you know as I've been going through

42:17this process for four or five years now I'm now under understanding and needing that information but for saying we need it on the front end it gets the business owner in tune with what it is let's encode just a thought yeah I mean which is that the letter would kind of do that right like if we just have a letter ready to go for when this actually does get approved somewhere along the line then we just have an immediate letter so we could approve that at next meeting let's say um just to be ready because I don't I don't know if it's it's probably has to go to the assembly as well so that's like months you know so maybe not maybe we just draft a letter out outlining compost benefits versus takeaways just as like an educational outreach kind of we really encourage

43:20to save you money yeah we're working on things that on the code of codifying it as we speak or say you know something like it makes it a positive instead of like a hundred percent a hundred percent I like that okay so let's just go for an outreach letter for next meeting on top of what our changes we've talked about um and I will email Emily about our thoughts on these changes we should probably vote on that though so we should get a little bit more specific so did anyone see any other things on the first two pages on the on the new ones on the new bold once does everyone like the language in there yeah right so yeah I think we you know we went through just kind of changing the language on D and adding the yeah the D1 one and then the grace period I don't know exactly where that goes so I'll probably just leave that

44:26up to Emily saying that we would like to add on a grace period of one year beyond passing of the ordinance and exceptions how about this is that we don't give a grace period we could always add we can always come back to this as it within a meeting saying like hey we would we're suggesting to add this afterwards and not quite following meaning ordinance gets passed right after the ordinance gets passed we kind of we're ironing out any details and then we say okay hey when you we're submitting to Emily and saying hey we we'd like the grace period to start in the end here after the ordinance after the after the after the it wasn't way past that I'm trying to do it on the front end and saying like because we don't know what's going to get passed and all of the other things right like yeah we do add grace period it's kind of an amendment to it yes after it's already through and that might be not okay either though because it might have to get the

45:31the ordinance might have to get re-approved because she'll probably likely want language about that maybe in the ordinance itself or the page one you know the where as is the all those there as ones I just thought we could you could say well with the passing of this you know yep we okay yeah I mean just I'm just trying to like yeah I get it through and then yep and I'll she's good at figuring out like sorting this stuff out so I'm just going to tell her what we approved at this meeting including that we didn't know where to put it into code or how to or how what the best way to approach this is but we would like to see at least a grace period of at least a year since passing since the from you know what I mean well it's been a long weekend okay so the changes I'm going to tell her and that we need to approve on are the 0 5 4 5 d change changing are encouraged to the word shall to maintain continuity in the

46:39code language and then also I will say tell her that the compostable packaging may be disposed of is of importance because we do not want to police to have to have restaurants to police people as they walk away with their to go food and then add on one d one exceptions and I'm going to tell her we approved the language of on a case by case basis and then I will explain a little bit more of what that means for us or what we're trying to get across and then she can rework the language before it goes to public works again let's say just so she they know our intent and then also that we don't know where to put it but we want a grace period of one year beyond passing of this ordinance if and when it does pass okay does that is is that covering everything that did I miss anything so I think that's

47:39everything that we were looking at changing yeah yeah yeah I will motion that we pass the changes the anemory just described okay okay motion is the made and seconded is there any further discussion on topic okay hearing none we'll have a vote all those in favor of passing these recommendations that we made say aye aye aye none opposed motion passes I will send this to Emily okay well we kind of got ahead of ourselves there and we skipped the recycled products yet purchasing policy let's see what are we doing oh yeah we're going I do I have a lot I have quick information on that okay if we want to we'll look at it um I spoke to grizzlies and to the hardware grizzlies currently does not they're not able to order any recycled paper uh this

48:44stuff that they they're not able um and the hardware just became able to so that is exciting um so I yep and they they said that the cities reached out a couple times but they have just um they've just been able to get quotes for it okay so it's all boys the Aston brand 8.5 by 11 and it's all copier in printer paper you can do a 30 percent recycled um it's 773 per rim 50 percent recycled is 844 per rim 100 percent recycled is 29 99 per rim Polish Nike is wow say that number again I was so shocked 29 99 oh my god um and then wow from office depot there's a 30 percent recycled for 901 per rim but on the bright side that if we were to move to 30 percent recycled that's like pretty on par with what like the library is currently paying 730 per rim so it's only like 40

49:49cents more per rim um the the port is paying 809 per rim right now the museum is paying 695 right now per rim the clinic which has four which is getting 400 rims yeah is it 630 so there was verbiage in there um that they don't want to raise costs than more than 10 percent but I don't know I feel like if we could revisit that then like and get the clinic and city hall to switch to this 30 percent recycled it's only it's gonna cost the city less than a thousand dollars more than their already studying on paper we say that one more time yes sorry so through the hardware we would be purchasing locally and we can get 30 percent recycled paper for 773 per rim which

51:00is a little bit more expensive than what the city's paying for most but not by very much so less than 10 percent right well I guess a little bit more yeah it's a little bit more okay this is a little bit more other vendors it looks like yes yeah I did look into amazon I was just looking locally yeah yeah I did a little bit on amazon I didn't find anything great for the quantity we need you know yeah so I mean right now the city's paying $1,044 for 200 rims if we switch to 30 percent recycled it would be 1,546 okay yeah um but percent increase if you work that out what you said it's about a 50 percent yeah 15 okay 50 yeah five zero let's see a little bit percent so it's it's more like 40 yes yeah it would be 46 but still I mean if this is rough math in my up so yeah

52:03no thanks um and then for the clinic they're currently spending $2,519 on their rims and this would bring it up to $3,092 still about $500 extra so it's for both the city and the clinic yeah it's about $500 extra piece straight up to get the 30 percent yeah and then it's just more expensive from there yeah um and Office Depot was that just like on their website that was um that was also a quote from Hardware that was also a quote from Hardware okay yeah I tried to look at the Boise Aspen site and you got very confusing yeah sure very clear I'm taking virtually virtually make me very confused yeah I get a crazy discount at like Dost so except if you look at my account um but overall seems like it's doable at least like the

53:11memo from Emily it is a bit okay I think yeah I think that's the boom yep the oh it's nice 30 yeah I think yeah if they start averaging it out they're between everything they're purchasing they're probably at them yeah below sixes I mean maybe mid-sixes as far as like how much because the person who's paying the most for Ian is buying at least $7 and 30 cents and that's the library uh 809 for the copy paper for the poor but that was four rings yeah but that was four rings right like four rings that's really not I mean in in the grand scheme of things

54:12most of them were around right around seven you started doing lots of averages super yeah six in the house so it's you know you're you're knowledgeable yes yeah extra okay but you know we do have this recycling policy that's codified here so yeah it does say though they would prefer not exceed 10% over the lowest price and preference and excluding any paper used for printing and copying that exceeds 25% over the lowest price which it's all yeah it's all more than 25% you know I mean as far as she'll take steps to purchase 100% recycled paper as a new municipal standard we're not or zero we're not even getting there you know and this was all written back

55:16in the day two before 15 uh yeah yeah 2015 so this is very old we've had COVID and all that chaos that is ensued for pricing and whatnot yeah everything's gone about so and you know what seems everyone it's like all local is gone because these office plus for 20 and you and skate was out of the third up to 40 meetings so you know we are already shopping at the hardware store for most of the paper between the clinic and the city hall yeah there's the ports and the visitor center and the rec center all used Amazon so everything is the port the rec center yep the port rec center and the visitor department oh and the museum is ordering from office plus oh yeah um didn't you did you come across any price saying it off for the port

56:20for our center and month yeah it's on the back you know she oh sorry oh yes oh yeah even if you if you take the top three people or the top three purchases yep doesn't even add up to half of what the rest of the purchases are yeah so even if we just say even if it was just city hall and the clinic yeah you get portion of of of where you want to be right like it's the other the other one actually it's a big step in the right direction yeah absolutely that's where I'm getting this is that you got 800 reams and the other the rest of them don't even add up to 12% of that yeah like it's it's minuscule in comparison so yeah let's try to knock on the door of the biggest ones

57:28and yeah maybe do we just start by just like talking to Emily and seeing if the city would be willing to go over this 25% margin that they've done for city halls just a lot either for city hall or the clinic you do one or the other kind of see how it all works out and then go from that and continue to adjust budgets I mean what I worry about is us saying okay you've got to go to all of this and now you're increasing budgets that we're already set yeah you know now where do you find the savings so it's it's one of the things that I would rather say let's okay let's take small bites out of the apple and find the major players let's start with one of them and I mean I would say do both of them the city yeah 500 bucks like they have a little flexible money like that yeah I know our budget site for the city last year but I also know they have like a

58:31slash fund 500 bucks they don't need approval for that at all you know it's more trying to get their actual practices aligned with this code that we have written would you say the press cream for 30% of those 773 okay and was there any bulk it's on top like any maximums or you know like 400 greens and you get extra 10% off or something Lisa at a hardware just said the city's asked for it numerous times she's just not able to get it prices change and she usually does a bid for them before anything ships so I don't yeah not that's what I was trying to find when I was looking on the boys he asked a website and could not figure it out yeah okay that makes sense so does a more confusing that's the number you're talking about so he's a thousand twenty dollars or eleven hundred twenty dollars difference yes more if you just the city and the

59:36between the two it's an extra thousand bucks yeah total total out of that whole piece and it gets 90% or 80% of your total number I think that that's the way to go yeah and like it seems like this is for the whole year yeah yeah yeah this was this was all of 25 based on what I had oh funny one is twenty twenty four yeah the back one front one is twenty five five yeah so even then you're actually talking about less than that because I think that was and you know what we're still supporting a hardware store they benefit from us spending a little bit more as well so it does it does kind of follow through with the policy I think I think only thing we might get a little tripped up on is having to give an exemption for those

1:00:36smaller smaller orders somehow so that would probably code would have to change or this resolution would have to get well it could it could be just as simple as you know the same thing we did on the last one saying based on availability and need current need or you know what's the most anyone bought like do less than if it's less than a hundred dreams of paper it's fine if it's more than a hundred dreams of paper you have to you have to do the 30% recycled change it that way it's used to allow all the small players to be fine you know the library they hit one hundred dreams but they didn't buy any this year they're also already spending seven dollars and 30 cents on paper yeah yeah yeah yeah so are all the small well they spent they spent a hundred and twenty

1:01:41four at the end of twenty four yeah they have they didn't spend any in twenty five so that hundred has lasted them in two years oh okay I was assuming there wasn't data for twenty five but that makes more sense right okay so then if we're spending an extra like I don't know if $1,000 two thousand dollars on paper over two years that's just nothing yeah yeah this is this this is over two this is an over two year period this is this number because you and you didn't okay I did the math also total total total dreams are the total dreams off the biggest players yeah so and you know there are twenty twenty four purchases were way smaller there's only one two hundred million purchase from the city for copy paper and then the city copy paper then two so they're two hundred dreams a year clinic was four hundred twenty five but there was nothing in twenty four nothing in twenty four so if it could be that they're only they're only using a

1:02:41two hundred dreams paper and the entire year and yeah they're buying it by the foreign green ballot yeah they're buying it once every every other year there was talk like back in the day alone just going to like you the city should just buy eight hundred rooms of paper and put it somewhere so all these entities can get it but I don't think that was possible or something went sideways on that I know we used to talk about that yeah yeah yeah they kind of need to like purchase it separately right yeah it would be it would probably be on the requisition type of basis but I've only seen that happen if you know like you it's kind of like kind of like the military you your quest yeah sometimes it's a proof sometimes it's an idea you know like yeah you get you get what they send you know

1:03:44yeah so let's look at her memo here and address some of the things at the bottom well majority of people purchase I don't quite understand what she needs by this I would love the price for instant composition guidelines to apply to all paper not just printing and copying paper well that's what else is going to be hard to do you know there's like map paper like you know if they have like crazy lines it's a total different thing I wouldn't be comfortable trying to

1:04:49I think in a few copying papers probably 90 95% of paper that the city uses just getting that switchover would be a huge step forward in the future of specific papers needed to be so is that papers because is there a program to recycle paper like this now not in cigarette no but they started printing things on both sides finally the like meetings and stuff sweet if there have been improvements made in the paper you said you're but there could be more you know why don't we keep all like for me I keep junk paper like this and I use the back side print on stuff you know just stuff I don't need to like send to anyone or just need print and it doesn't have to be like official so I don't know if there's more stuff like that we could take but now that's kind of kind of can't work I think and you know it does say in item two

1:05:51uh paper products that are not for printing and copying must be constructed of at least 30% cycle paper yeah I mean duplex and duplex printing default machine settings so like they have done that you know we haven't even got any percentage of recycled quantity in our papers since it's like with so it feels like that it does apply to all paper you know it says paper products that are not for printing and copying must be constructed of at least 30% so I feel like that it already addresses her first first thing of read uh applying to all paper not just printing and copying so I don't know maybe I'll clarify that it says what is it for all of us to be to be

1:06:55I mean unless you guys have any other take on that are you there you're seeing something I'm not seeing in that statement I think it's pretty straightforward I mean big round this way yeah yeah I just don't know what she's like looking for I guess so I'll rely on the TV I'll just be like it's in that cover again yeah I mean I would have pretty good as is you know like that wouldn't sort of satisfy that I think it's like it seems like the ink puts out paper but I never know what she's thinking all the times so she might have seen something we're not so I'll just ask her about that I guess um do we need language about reused products in addition to recycled products if so what is the definition of reused no I think we just I mean we could add in a suggestion about reusing

1:07:56you know paper that's only printed on one side after meetings like meeting waste paper as I think the crash paper like actually acquiring that as a crash paper instead of just tossing it which I don't know if that's what you're not I think that 30s things up I think it should just be straightforward trying to get you get the city to buy recycled paper I don't know I don't know if we need to yeah I think if we can get the city to buy recycled paper through this then that's the main thing yeah that's the wind yeah I don't know if it needs to be made any more complicated with anything extra yeah I was just thinking and then that's used to like and then that else wouldn't be reused and then that kind of the very last bullet point where it says is this intended to be a recycled products policy or paper products policy I think it should be a recycled products policy and then we're not having more language about paper what people should be doing with paper if we can get them to buy the recycled products and make that the city's

1:09:02method then that's that's that's the wind that we're trying to get right now 100% and hitting 90 if you hit 90% of your products and it's all at the 30% that we've recommended like we have a few muggs I mean yeah it's a fast equivalent to what current says and then we can then we can hone in that a little bit more as we see how the usage and yeah it comes back to us you know yep um because this resolution is kind of like paper language heavy because we did talk at one of them meetings we did kind of discuss just making it a paper product specific but I do like keeping it all kind of just in one place so we have this opportunity says recycled products purchasing policy so what we will need to do on top of clarifying the paper things as well we'll need to include all

1:10:04levels of recycled products and recycling and like language about glass about cans about or just you must recycle what it's recyclable in town you know we could do general language like that so we will need to broaden the scope if that's the direction that we want to go I believe so we'll need to like figure out what's missing in here then like what else do we add what how can we reword it so would it include everything instead of just paper or you know the whole point of the first whereas is two degrees printing and copy paper usage since 2013 you know displacement of materials in the incinerator about a premature and for life of resources uh don't have a dependable method for recycling so yeah we're we're gonna need to rework the whole thing if we're gonna make it a recycled

1:11:08product exactly and not just change your cycle products to paper and then if we leave it a paper products instead of a recycled products then do we need to put in um language about reused is that I mean I don't really know I don't know what where to go on that direction because it would be good to have reusing verbiage in all the stuff just to kind of keep promoting the roasting waste you know in general you know as a as a town but yet getting specifically like you have to reuse your one-sided print of paper for other printing jobs you know I bet we don't need language that specific I don't think I think we just need to agree inquiry encourage the reuse of all all possible options I don't know my brain's kind of well

1:12:09I think I think if that's if that's the way it's going to be I think we should leave it a paper product instead of a recycled product because I don't want to get into the weeds with it telling everybody what they need to do with their tin cans and their glass and their cardboard when what we're really trying to do here is get the city to buy recycled paper yeah so maybe it's not a recycled products maybe it's fine with it being a paper products I think that the most what we're trying to do is get the city to buy recycled paper yes and I think the most direct route without any other distractions on here to do that is what we're trying to do a harbor set okay we want to have it now I think we change it into a paper product yeah then let's leave it we add on to our let's find a recycled product yeah we can make that see and then we can either change this one to include that with our own language or we can do a separate one yeah I think we can make that something else I think right because I think the more straightforward

1:13:10and less things we can get into this and just have it because it would be huge if we can get the city to purchase recycled paper yeah if that's just that just that 100% and we've been trying since 2015 and I think that in you know with the language in there that says the 10% and the 25% I I think that makes sense but if you look at the dollar value over two years and how much different it's going to make financially I think that it's not even 0.01% of the entire budget yeah I think it's a I think it's a doable number I think we would have to get the language out of there about the 10% of the 25% maybe say something like reasonable if that language needs to be in there at all but I think I think seems to me like it's a reasonable number yeah yeah and I

1:14:15mean the language about purchasing 100% recycled paper is a great idea but I don't think it's practical price wise from what I've found anyways but the 30% seems doable and purchasing the way seems to be put in a minimum 30% recycle and say hey this is what your target is minimum and you're that my goal yeah goal is here yeah that my minimum required my I think that that's kind of like the baby step my own thing thought on that is if I don't know if you have to order an entire pallet at a time from hardware I don't know if that's a thing well if the city's buying it all from the hardware store then I would imagine the hard work could probably order the part and they've gone they've got it in palatable it's already so okay if I'm just

1:15:15putting it from there okay I think it's true that we could we could discuss that with the hardware store but if they carry it you know city knows that that's the only place for any of their departments they don't carry it well those homes yeah but the hardware knows that the city is going to buy just that I think I think that discussion can be had between the hardware and the city yeah they'll find it out usually they're good about getting stuff really for us over the years like that so yeah yeah especially they know but if they have to they're a business they're doing business yeah you know if it's not something they can just supply randomly it she's like going directly to Boise Idaho you know specifically as a wholesaler wholesale purchaser so I don't know if like they'll ever be able to have it in stock you know what I mean like they might just order you know we know the city needs two pallets that's all they get that's the reason for the exception and saying based on availability and all kinds of things like you can buy your two reams to get

1:16:17you through until the next order until until they're able to get to the next yep yeah and then I don't know so that would be moving all of the paper purchasing to the hardware store which would kind of be a bummer for Grizzlies but they've known we've wanted a recyclable product yeah those paper products for years now like this is we've obviously had this discussion I mean at least over a decade worth of discussing this they'll get no price for and save the city's money yeah and you know we can't help what businesses are doing we're just trying to locally support getting our recyclable content maybe we get a bit from both companies well Grizzlies can't do as well yeah yeah yeah it's all then it's not as well as that they can well they are what it is yeah yeah that's fine so I yeah I think we're not going to go to Amazon you know

1:17:17we're not going to go to office plus yeah we can do a local that's yeah it is part of the you know the whole policy too so we're basically saying basically we're saying we're recommending that they use the hardware you can get it at this price or and this is what we're recommending you do yep so and it qualifies under almost or this resolution stuff too so we need to rewrite this saying like when possible purchase locally in case if Grizzlies does end up with an option but aren't we just recommending we're recommending the changes yeah yeah yeah but that's what I'm saying is to purchase local and to purchase at least 30% recycled then I swear isn't there like somewhere where it says local buying local I think that was just in the memo that Emily sent is what's more important

1:18:32you ask what yeah my service paper products have been not bringing on the construct of at least 30% recycled that's this one right here yep so that's 30% already technically in there yeah yeah it was to get to 130% minimum for anything else yeah so I think that this I think that this is just a recommendation and we're saying well we're saying this fits all of the requirements what yeah in my in my estimation yeah and it does say on one at the end of one the last set instance you know the 20 excluding paper for price preference not to you see 20% over the lowest price quoted by comparable on our side gold but with of course with from suppliers located within the scale so that makes the price difference higher you know more leeway on the

1:19:38price difference and it's I think it's all in person so I think that comes yeah I mean I think that the only thing based on kind of reading the only thing we really are approving is that it's a paper products policy yeah I mean it's okay if we're on the way I read it yes the 30% those paper products that are not for printing and copying must be constructed at least 30% recycled so we change that wording maybe all yeah paper products must be constructed at least 30% first I go paper yes yeah that would be good yeah okay so all so I'm just gonna cross out paper products just a crossing out that are not for printing and copying just crossing that all paper products and I'll speak instructive of at least 30% recycled paper I'm going to say all to you in the beginning all paper products

1:20:42must be constructed at least 30% recycled paper and then they'll be forced to buy the 50% of our word store if that has changed they don't suggest they're going to say it in the same place it's too ancient structurally it's okay and then is there info now that we need to take out because we are changing it from updated recycled products purchasing to a paper products purchasing all the same let's say that for them that's uh yeah almost or do we leave it a recycling product purchasing policy if I feel like it already reads like a paper purchasing policy and then if they do you know it is the policy to purchase products from the minute you

1:21:46spend the purchase products that are recycled or reusable or container cycle materials that's quality and success so correct me if I'm wrong based on how this reads we're only this policy is is for all recycled products but we're in within code we are only specifying paper at the most so the city purchasing any other recycled products that's a side of paper no I don't know what it would be what if we just put paper right after recycled and it just said an updated recycled paper products purchasing policy that's a lot of piece I can say it best that that was without a which I was where I was going yeah but if we just put picture work not paper and right there and it will be a specific recycled paper product purchasing

1:22:48policy and I can't even put it in the picture so I was like a paper products person purchased and updated recycled paper products purchasing policy yeah and then we don't need to change word to got anything else because it it only talks about and then it's just uh I mean it is pretty general though you know like right the first you know the first little paragraph that says purchase products which are recyclable or reusable or container cycle material you know so there are references and things that aren't paper but is there anything they would actually what is the municipality buying that's not paper recycled yeah that's not paper what are they buying that's already recycled that's right now I don't know that I can think of anything that's oh it's you know printing ink maybe but even then you know like I can recycle my entropy toner cartridges for you know that make it easy but do you like go after stuff like

1:23:52that we can be like yeah but we can also add that in as as we see you know what are they using you know I mean like that that could be someone we request from the city and say like oh how much do you go through like are you using but yeah I don't know that's one of their and topic really um one hundred percent so I do kind of like just keeping the recycled products purchasing policy that's fine and then coming up with a for now I guess and then I'm gonna ask Emily what would other products be that we would need to buy recycles what even is there they're not like packaging things they're not making to go I know the only thing I can think of is voting like when we vote are we voting on like recycled paper are we even for locals I think so it's so about that it's so important like some are

1:24:55specifically yeah it's all comes from a dedicated place so it can be tampered with all kinds of effects so so I guess let's all reach out to Emily all bring up the changes the maybe having an exception for smaller purchases based on availability working on changing to e to removing that are not for printing and copying and then you find out what else could be recycled or what I mean the only thing the only thing that I could think of is like if you're reclaimed wood or something like that that that's a recycled product in my opinion but yeah we don't want to get into that yeah that's not that's not something and then do we need to change the verbiage on point one with the 10 percent and 25 percent or does the new baseline for that just become the 30 percent

1:25:55recycled paper and what that costs yeah I mean I think I could bring that up I'm only too well it's is that you know do we need something that specific if you're when individual people are making the choices of what they're buying and like the variability of the the numbers of the costs of the reams are so different anyway so it's just a move point yeah because if we do say it must be 30 percent recycled then that's just a base pricing doesn't matter I've been in many of businesses where they've said you have to purchase this yeah it's just the way it is yeah you have to purchase this yeah I've been dictated to you a lot as far as that's answered and you know I'm like we've had this for freaking 11 years and still don't have recycled paper getting yeah I think a little like kicking a pants a little bit right streamline it push it through yeah like at least for

1:27:00the bulk of the paper purchases oh yeah so that brings me to another thing to bring up is about change what's it to about oh shit don't is it that's something in the brain crap yeah sorry I had a really starting to begin to want tiring now it breaks down really functioning oh about having a cap on like if you order 100 brains or want you have to I feel like that if you just if if if if you're just saying 30 percent yeah I think we do that I think we do that and then any exceptions and I mean if you're only ordering dreams it's only cost you do 40 more right I think you know like it's it's almost like

1:28:01them if you're giving people out they're going to take the out yeah 100 percent 100 100 percent like let's yeah just not financially viable to do the 30 percent recycled and for the most part yeah let's yeah yep okay so I'm gonna suggest changing the language of one yep we're removing entirely I think yeah change or is then to eat what if 30 percent mandatory basement among totally doable then I think we're covered you this then the pricing doesn't matter and we know it's not so extreme that we are gonna put in a hardship on anyone it's like a buckler two here like eight yeah for eight dreams that extra eight dollars you know I'm like

1:29:05to actually align with what our code says there's a reason this here you know yeah we need to like follow through make it do something yeah let's stop talking about start doing exactly okay so I'm also so on top of that changing or removing it entirely I think I will also tell her that we kind of want to keep it a recycled products purchasing policy if there are other things besides paper to be dealt with so I'll maybe tell her that we're a little we're kind of don't know exactly where what needs that needs happen or not like if there is no other recycled products then we can change it to paper quality yep that's mine because that's just a purchasing policy correct exactly yeah yeah yeah so so

1:30:07paper products purchasing policy the P4 policy yeah it's a little bit oh my god if we can find a way to start recycling then it can be a pre-cycled paper product which yeah this is in our preview we do need to start working on actually getting paper to be recycled here but whatever we got that's clear fish for it come on okay so I'm going to Emily all those things we don't need to vote on it because we can't talk to her before we vote exactly you talk to her and then next meeting reply now what we want to say on here and then we'll vote to amend it yep okay yep and our just our base our base uh thoughts is making things happen just getting recycled yeah just get get the city to buy recycled paper yes paper I mean I think

1:31:12we are so however that has happened the fastest yeah and the simpler the simpler we can make this thing the better you know I've 30% recycled paper yep and I the city themselves did already make a big purchase that this year so then they have time moving forward yeah they have to fall in yep exactly forward and like when I when I talked to Lisa she said that the city has approached Charter we're trying to get recycled paper yeah so oh yeah okay okay so I will do that I'm gonna work on the letter to Emily yeah let's keep moving on here yeah I kind of fear this would be a little long but we kind of have some just the old time of spring coming in our face fairs and yeah so then we are on to considering a spring bear safety workshop so this is

1:32:15pretty much just continuing the discussion uh that I've been having with the defenders of wildlife in room and at the exterior traditional console um we don't really need to do actually like figuring out like what do you need us to do and nothing except like I've facilitating them having a table with us at clean sweep they want to have a little bear awareness table next to us at the clean sweep maybe haul pickup day oh okay so otherwise I'm just encouraging things I'm like we need anything from them the municipality or if you want if they want to do a electric fence demo somewhere like and kind of leave it up so that would be the one thing where like we could do it out at the new community garden and there's an apple tree that desperately needs a fence around this around it so and that's all sub and leak and approve and I don't think we need to we we voted in support of trying to help this happen so I don't think there's any decisions we need to make

1:33:16just pretty much an update that it's gonna happen um they want to come and have their first event at the clean sweep pickup day and then there that whole week between clean sweep and uh skateway workforce orientation week which is March or April right May 3rd to 9th sorry so they're gonna come between those two events and do their own presentations I recommended having multiple presentations and different locations different times you know I hooked her up with the Laura maybe because the city has the new garden but I don't even know who's in charge of it I got him an email from the rec center about paying for it yeah okay I saw that email to you so but I mean Laura would be able to direct him so I guess if they I'll just facilitate that if they need to hook up with them only else on the panel either do anything so I don't think we I think we're just good we support it we're making it happen helping them with stuff we're already

1:34:16doing so seems easy um which also you know I guess spring events flyer so last year can burn on she's got like cam bar or something she made this solid waste events spring and summer kind of calendar to go up in the spring uh clean sweep on there what do you do solid waste out there are there dates for clean sweep yes the clean sweep um Jamie said it's for 25 I'm happy to make a flyer for this year I asked him if she could oh sweet yeah it was on it we just we'll do it because that's she just has the plugin different dates yeah so we just kind of need to prove what we want to tell her to change and then we will actually improve it to get out at our next meeting uh before clean sweep like a week or two before so I don't know what's that we're not supposed to work out

1:35:20either but okay so soon sweet it's not April 12th it is April 25th 25 okay solid waste outreach table that's at the workforce training which is going to be some points between May 5th and or 3rd and 5th 3rd and 9th I can split out on May 3rd to 9 so I don't know exactly when our outreach cable will be for that um because it's at this information fair the specific thing the one event that they kind of do them um we have a next solid reach out or reach table that doesn't exist May 3rd on here has Matt collection same thing uh two TBAs right yep and who determines that that's usually public work so I can no because and uh yep through Emily I bet so I will um

1:36:27dates so whatever dates Emily tells me or public works tells me we'll add that on the July has Matt collection fall clean sweep probably do October TBA again because the day is always a little different um but yeah we did it really differently last year too yeah so I think the last show was like that very first week in October it was it coincided with harvest weeks so the first suit seventh of October um somehow but CVB sets these dates so I will reach out to Jamie to see she has a fall clean sweep date yet and if there is a date that she gives me we can give that to Kim just like we're going to do with the has Matt collection if Emily has a date I can give that to Kim otherwise we leave him TBA sorry I know you guys don't have a copy of this

1:37:27but yeah and relatively big swapping off the date and maybe the time I should check on the time registration I could probably figure out when the HHW is okay usually the last is usually the last week in July or third and in July or last yeah it was on the 19th 20th last year yeah I think it'll be the third week in July again but I will make sure ties out a town for a couple of weeks but when he gets back I'll ask him and I know last year we talked about maybe having some like finished compost at the outreach table or at the very least I think it would be really cool we could take a picture of like here's what's going in here's what comes out and just to show like here's the compost it is I feel like that would be encouraging and good I can get you a bucket of compost for the outreach table if you want to appreciate it yeah yeah no problem and I mean if we want to you know I could get we could do get you you know yeah this is a bucket an in bucket in an

1:38:27out bucket yeah yeah I get you an out bucket yeah yeah I feel like that would be and I can go get the stuff that's cured that's been sitting outside so it won't stink because you don't you don't want you don't want to sit by fresh comment no but yeah I don't know I think it's it's cool to see like the final product of what's happening yeah and we did definitely talk about that last time too so and then um have some of the little buckets available too yeah how are we doing on those one buckets do we still have some got are the big gallon we have to watch the look okay okay okay so that'd be a little easier to expect the one gallon ones but you know yeah and then and then it's take years to man that's sweet I mean even if we can just take pictures of it and like laminate something that's like here's what goes in here's it uncured here is it cured is cured and just have like a picture to look at yeah that would also be easy and fine can you know just share this yeah

1:39:35it's not I think that's you can get the point across of yeah that might even be a good thing to give to restaurants like when we give the letter that's like here's how we're composting a picture of like here's yeah just a picture of like here's the final product of the compost yeah I mean no one gets a back to keep it you know so I know but still just to see that it's not it isn't just being incinerated you know Neil maybe you can when you guys dump your compost onto the floor maybe you can take a picture of that like the pile that comes out of the bin and then take a picture of like the dirt the really finished dirt in like the sun so you can like see it you know like a whatever so you get the idea on the pictures and we can just do that so we can do it that way you know we did that with the garbage cans the

1:40:42bear garbage cans there's a picture of them so you don't fall all down to everything um which also brings up the point we need people to be at the outreach tables um for this clean sweep one that was in the morning nine to ten thirty a.m. and then the solid waste outreach table at the workforce training it was at four to six last year I know Nicole did the clean sweep one and I did the workforce training one um so I might be able to help help with the clean sweep sweep one and I'm planning on turning into a business and that kind of stuff like yeah it's all whether or not the nature allows us yeah so it's um and I'm going to be completely honest with the single person you're like oh yeah and if it's as far as I'm seeing I am well covered up this year they're finished and they're happening

1:41:47so we're all circumstances that cause me to be us okay totally yeah yeah totally and you know we get it um I can definitely work the clean sweep table um Westmark always like pays their employees to go clean up so I can just opt out of actually cleaning and I can work the table okay yeah yeah that'd be awesome I'm not good in mornings so yes I can I can volunteer to do this one but I have no idea where I'm gonna be out with my leg I don't I might eat surgery I might be on this for three months I don't know so I might not be here I don't know do we know what what data there's again and it's May 3rd through the 9th sometime in the afternoon like four to six you know Kim is not even gonna make it to meetings until May at least um I hear me Kelvin but I don't know I can maybe I don't know finances will be up on the first one this year I'm not good to feel it's like anything I might be versus it yeah and literally we just

1:42:50spread out compostable to go packaging some flyers and just answer questions you know I can I can provide we got tons yeah we got a stash yeah thank you okay okay so clean sweep spend me Nicole yeah we'll just yeah and we'll we'll play this one on the fly you know if I'm if I'm available I can do it you know like maybe we can just like figure that one out uh we'll make sure as it happens so that's the workforce Neil Neil first Neil probably how about that yeah hey um and Jonathan maybe I can also be done as a maybe okay so the rest of us we're all just gonna try and make it happen yeah sounds like a good plan okay yeah you should be able to get paid hopefully while you're doing it looking was that a Saturday or not hated for it to be like

1:43:53your weekend we would have better if you're on the clock um they say I think it's the fit or that I don't know it it was a Monday last year yes why not so I don't know it was that broko so that was convenient to have the other have a beer out on the deck while you're thankful showing stuff okay so we're good enough I am going to we should probably approve these changes that I made to last years spring and summer municipal solid waste event flyer and Kim will update them I would like to motion that we approve the changes preview just discussed on the solid waste spring flyer I would like to second that motion okay any more discussion hearing none let's vote on approving the municipal solid waste event flyer the updated dates times we've discussed all those in favor hi hi okay motion passes

1:45:00I will change again so okay so when we would be done by seven so let's on a vehicle washing flyer update okay so you guys should have gotten us in a packet they were not added to late saffron oh the name of the washroom bottom of the package there's two of them commercial and regular and I have no time to waste okay I'm going to reach out quite a while ago with getting these things updated didn't really

1:46:05I asked her about it I didn't really get like a why or what we should update but I think we shouldn't just at least read them over and see if there's any flags or things that don't you kind of qualify anymore so maybe let's start with a regular vehicle watching best management practices as it's bigger and we'll probably stuff so a bunch of this stuff for the other work doing this fun stormwater pollution okay that's a description now it's kind of wordy but so let's say that I want to stay with the laws and lays out there's a local ordinance and lays that out there's a recommendation for the safer choice labels which we have talked about for years

1:47:08and the hardware store has been good about adding safer choice products I believe into their store as well so let me put a waste in less waste I mean I can't see anything that needs to be clarified I mean unless it's just a little wordy and I'm sorry I should have read back at Emily's email that was so long ago aren't I so not in my brain anymore I mean yeah it all seems pretty straightforward

1:48:16it's a lot to look at it'd be great if it was just like he's here but I don't think you know for for the whole old average it's I think it's pretty simplified for what it is yeah I don't know not how much yeah more simplified you can do because you do want to educate people on all these topics that are are the students where should people watching is more important because we have a lot of that here and people I know there are companies that don't follow these rules so I know that's one reason why I knew I wanted us to deal with it because it's a problem so okay same kind of info I mean now this one actually has the ordinance the 10.2.070F4 no commercial vehicles or commercial

1:49:16passenger vehicles shall be washed on municipal streets or right away at any time I would say that could be bigger that's there's like a layout issue so people are so yeah here's the code right there that's right there's where it says it because that's the problem yeah that's the problem yeah it's a lot of other things to read but I think like one making it a little bit more stand-outing in the code yeah maybe make it red exactly bigger and red but I like that this manner practices okay that's the same stuff kind of I mean it does on the commercial vehicle it does not say wash cars and boats over permissible

1:50:16structures of arms or aerated soils so maybe that's something we just want to leave off because then I mean I do know that there was an issue while back on physically where they could do it and it couldn't have been done in certain inspections of the city i.e. residential areas yeah like residential areas were off the line of the city because it's commercial yeah so like they're for this I think that they're definitely needs to be some sort of line item that's saying in correctly zoomed areas something into that aspect because none of that is in here it's saying hey this is cow or what but it's not saying hey quick at all so maybe zoned areas

1:51:20yeah what and what are the zones like I'm not I don't have any first-hand knowledge for it so I don't know what that says set aside a commercial vehicle washing area containing filtration systems near pollutants and you know as a business owner having a place where you are using it commercially to wash your things you kind of know fear they should be arming looking at the code on their own you know what I mean I get it so yes I don't think it can hurt on this and this is just a recommendation from the city it's not great or would or anything the one code is note the code that's printed so I don't really see many updates except making that code part bigger you know the safer choice is big everything else just explains it but lay it out safer choice chemicals and then big code the code of more obvious thoughtful color

1:52:27one thing we might want to look at is the new the TMBP the tourism management best practices or whatever TPMV whatever this and see if they have references to washing and maybe make sure that that aligns with this MLS document as well but that will be at another meeting I guess maybe we'll address that sometimes so compare with the tourism best management practices so I would like to get this out oh one percent like it by April Rowan yeah so we're going to have to discuss that make any changes and pass that that's needed so let's do it the next one yeah so we'll look at it a little closer and exactly let's just look at the the tours of best management practices see what's missing on this compared to that or language we can use better or can we just take

1:53:33do they have a whole section of commercial vehicle washing already that's really well described like maybe we just like copy that bill thing and use that for something you know so yeah let's just work on that for next time do you have the note of use on correctly zoned areas and the note about the code being more prominent on the page for the commercial vehicle washing the other one looks fine I will also look back to my Emily emails regarding this and make sure we are addressing things she brought up what thank you guys I knew this one would be a little bit longer but we'll do just have shit to bust out and then so that we could take a break well once was so it was pretty productive yeah I'm happy with that so

1:54:34so I guess for a little discussion about next meeting I don't have dates yet I forgot to ask Steve so I I know we could so I'm going to crunch this meeting a little bit sooner like doing it the 23rd or the 30th maybe are you guys around I'm not going anywhere yeah I mean that's the latest April 6 those three dates so let's I can be available in the end all of those days and I'm I'm not opposed to getting into of them prior to this like going the 23rd and the 6th okay okay I am going to be very very honest that after or that last week and that third we maybe that last week in April like my life is upside down yeah yeah we all get it and just grateful that you guys are ready to willing to just kind of bust us out because have that spring deadline of educating

1:55:40people on things okay so I will try then for a 23rd and a 6th March 23rd and then March 8th April 6th for meetings but we'll see what's available squeeze it in as we can because yeah the 25th it's clean sweep so we definitely need like our flyer dialed in by then which we should be able to approve by the 6th unless we don't have a date but I think all the dates should be set then so I think that's I think they can work and then I think we can take a few months off at least but I will go through our to-do list as well and see it actually that's possible sweet okay team anything else anyone anyone be alert I entertain the motion to adjourn I'll second that motion I know I know I can't make it I would like

1:56:41I would like to make a motion to adjourn I'll second all right I'll make second to adjourn all those in favor all right