SEC SQUAD - NCAA Tampering CRISIS | How this Affects Auburn

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1:00The old mantra is if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying. And Dabo Swini calling out Ole Miss, Ole Miss head coach, Pete Golding, a couple of days ago, basically saying that he is tampering with transfer, Luke Forelli, and drew some mixed reaction throughout the college football world. There are some people who say, Dabo, quit crying. This is how college football works now. And there are other people taking the moral high ground, saying, hey, you know what, he's got a point there. And, hey, let's try to draw some, some lines in the sand here of, you know, keep some modicum of, you know, whatever rules in place. But we ask our panel, Dabo crying over tampering. Is it just whining or does he have a point? I think he certainly has a point, right? I mean, there's tampering everywhere. I often say, I mean, what is tampering? You can't prove tampering. So quit crying about tampering. You know, if anybody, we were talking about this from on air. I mean, if anybody's gonna come and bring this to light and go out on a stand, it should be Dabo because Dabo,

2:01to our knowledge is a guy that doesn't like to portal much. Probably doesn't have many skeletons if any in the closet. So he's a guy that can get up to the podium and say this, this, this, and that. No, yeah, come look at our program. We're squeaky clean. Now, Mike, like I had no issue whatsoever with him getting up there and, you know, going full blast on Pete Golding. But like, is anything gonna come of this? If something's gonna come of this, then then great. I mean, more, more coaches should do it. I mean, this has been almost a week now. And at the time of this recording, nobody's said anything. There's been no, there's been no, you know, public address by Greg Sanky by presidents, athletic directors from either school. There's been nothing, right? So if nothing's gonna come of this, then it's, then it's a nothing burger. But I mean, I have no issue with Dabo getting up there and, you know, calling, calling it is what it is. And again, everybody tampers. So why in the world is the head coach of Ole Miss tampering? Like, do you not have a guy for that? Like, that's the whole big thing in this whole thing. It's like, why are you the one doing this? Yeah, the one thing that's weird is that Ole Miss literally lost four players. One exactly like this to four to state.

3:03Three to LSU, two of them were signed that went to LSU. So it was coming the other way as well. To me, this is like Dabo is that guy that is looking at the law books that you're not allowed to park your car on Capitol Street in Jackson, Mississippi because it could scare the horses. That law is on the books. It just doesn't make sense anymore. Now, does Dabo have a point? Does it need to be cleaned up? Yeah, sure, probably. I mean, nobody would take the position that it doesn't. Is it going to know? And if you don't do it, you're going to lose your multi-million dollar job and then you're going to say, well, if I just would have sent that text message, we'd have been all right. Yeah, I think to me, the biggest thing here is as Eric mentioned, why is Pete Golding being the one doing this? Like, why is there, quote-unquote, documented text messages that he sent to a player at the same time of all people you shouldn't do this to

4:05is Dabo Swinney. Just as Steven said, he is the mall cop of coaches in college football. Why would you do this to someone? Why would you agitate him of all people? Because you know, he's going to go run and say something about it. Now, granted, he has a point, tampering is bad, probably except for Dabo, but everybody does it. It's just that we know that the NCAA is not going to do anything about it. And I'm be honest to me, this is by design. They're purposely allowing this to be more of the Wild Wild West because then they can run the big Daddy Congress and say, see Daddy, we told you we tried to do some things and no one wanted to stay within any type of parameters. We need you to bring down the hammer to calm all this down. Unfortunately, it's going to take a while before anybody else steps in to this because it gets very, very muddy, very quickly because I don't care what anybody try to say. They go ahead to figure out how to do collective bargaining, which means these kids are going to become employees in some capacity. Yeah, I forget that bad boy out. Just get that done. And also the press conference

5:06that this whole thing was kicked off about, the text message behind it, the hey, what's the buyout? I know you're signed. What's the buyout? They don't have that text. So that text has been long gone and they they need it that. So this was all just a PR thing. They're trying to win the PR war. What's going on? But like Eric said, and everybody said, nothing significant is going to come from this because if you look at the NCA book, let's say it's all true. Every bit of it's true. It's a level two violation. There's nothing that's going to come of it. That's what that's up. One thing's going to happen, Ole Miss and nothing's really going to get done, you know, league wide or a country wide, or whatever you want to say it. I think dabble has a point. I think we need to get to put a some sort of guardrails on all of this stuff. But I don't know where you start at this point. I don't know how you begin to sift through all the crap to try to get something that's workable because it is so rampant and off the rails that who knows. And again, Eric,

6:07I like your point about why is Pete Golding doing the one that being the one tampering and what? You don't have a got, you know, that's that's a good point right there too. But that was the that was the old thing in basketball was that, you know, we'll wait, we'll wait got busted for being on the FBI wiretaps, whereas the guys like John Calipari, like he would never touch the phone. It's the guy under the guy under the Calipari that has us for calls. And Steven has a good rebuttal for why it was the head coach doing this and I want to bring him in here to say that here in just a second. But guys, I mean, it is 2026. All right, there are applications on this old phone right here to where you could run through. And those text messages disappear in an hour. I mean, at the very least, if it's going to be you, let's use technology and let's let's go through that avenue. So those text messages go poof in thin air. But again, there's an app for somebody else. But Steven has to ask for everything. Yeah, now the great with that part in air to your point. If anything,

7:08because it's Steven, you made this a great point with that, it's a level two violation. Unless you get the feds in here and you're able to subpoena phone records that takes messages down. You can delete it and it can come back because it's still in like the network records. They can find a way to pull it. But because it's gone and you ain't going to be able to get no feds in this. Yeah. This is the red tape. Exactly what Eric was talking about. The Thursday before the end of the transfer portal was like hand-to-hand combat to where it was absolutely nuts between Ole Miss and Lane Kiffin and Ole Miss ended up losing two players that they had signed, that were starters on defense and what happened. After that was going on, you have to assume there's no rules. If nobody says anything about that going on, you think there's no rules. Of course you're going to send a text message. If it really does exist. Yeah. There really are rules. Because you can do like you can you can go out and tamper all you want and go.

8:08What? I didn't know that was you know. Well look at the contrast you guys. We just had Darian Mensa who reupped a duke for a lot of money to stay there. And Miami came along and said we'll pay you more. And they just came to a settlement. I think they're going to have to pay duke something and let him out of it. But contrast that with Washington quarterback to Mont Williams who was out of like LSU and a few other schools were interested in pulling out of Washington. Washington held firm. They got the big 10 involved and apparently the big 10 drew up these revenue share agreements that said, Oh no, no, you cannot get out of this. That if you leave, we own your name imaging like this. You can't go use that anywhere else and you got to buy it. You got to buy your way out of this contract. So it's kind of interesting. The compare contrast of duke didn't want to lose him. But they're letting him go to Miami. Whereas Washington said to hell with you, you're staying in hell. They're going to work out, right? Like how how's in the locker room? I honestly don't think it's going to be that big of a deal. Because guys understand, hey, you go get yours. Like I hear you and all that. But the fan base is never going to.

9:09Never going to like him ever again. You know, of course, they're in Washington. And I mean, Duke just said, all right, we're going to pay us a hefty penny that we're going to let you go. I mean, it's going to be really, really weird up there. Because again, he's going to be the quarterback for the team that he just tried to publicly strong arm and lost. Yeah, and the funny thing is going back to the Compton thing. Luke Forelli did not sign a rev share and did not sign an NIL deal. He just signed financial aid papers, which as we all know, if we follow recruiting does not bind the player to the school who just binds the school to the player, which means he was eligible to leave regardless of what was going on. It's 2008 transfer rules that has dabbo upset. And that honestly shows somebody that hasn't been participating for the last five. Yeah. And that's and that's probably going to ultimately be is downfall unfortunately because you're going to get left way in the dust and all these teams are going to surpass you. And you know, with Miami pulling that move with Darian Mensa. I mean, good Lord.

10:11They're going to run through the the ACC again. And that's going to be kind of crazy. But you know, is I was going to ask the question for you guys is what the big 10 did with Washington and demon Williams. Is that are we going to trend towards that where the conferences get involved in this rev share stuff? Once you sign those papers and understanding that Luke Forelli did not sign those papers, demon Williams did is the conference is going to get involved now. Does Greg Sankey get involved with some of this stuff? We'll find out because the rumor is that LSU is going to try and not pay the buyout for the sign player with Prince Will among me Ellen and T not TJ daughter. He didn't sign I think Devin Harper was the other player that was signed. And July 1st that money is due if LSU doesn't pay that that becomes a whole new inch thing about rev share and buyouts and all that. We look at this right now like a contract. It might get challenged in a couple of months. Well, I think this is where the lawyers all go to work, right?

11:11Like how good is your legal team to go? No, actually doesn't, you know, so it's it's going to be but you look, you're kidding yourself. If you don't think everybody's going to be covered for 2026 and 2027. Like, everybody's going to be covered there behind for the future on this and really trying to figure out ways and look to me. I mean, like, I think it should be a free market. It's basically for agency. If somebody comes along and says, we'll give you a million. And then somebody else comes along and says, we'll give you two million. I don't know for me. I kind of agree. Like either you match it or let the kid go. Like, that should be as simple as that. So once you have sign like it. Don't you, I mean, buy out the contract just like you would do with coaches and just move on. Yeah. I might put anything. Yeah. I think that's on the make sense. You know, sign papers then, you know, it's a free mark. But that wasn't a valuable, very valuable lesson on this time. And that is sign a contract on the first day. It's not, doesn't need to wait for it because you're still negotiating what's going on. They have to have a signature on the document that day or else

12:14you have no recourse because I financial aid paper does not bind you to the school. What's such for a dabbo too is the fact that they started school like a week earlier than everybody else. So this kid got to go to classes, started getting themselves prepped. Got to work out. And he's like, yes, me for me. I'm out. I'm a trial. Would you get an apartment and a car and he made a big deal? I was like, well, yeah, he got the seven day trial. All right. He decided that he didn't want to keep the subscription. Yeah. Ole Miss is drop ad date is February 2nd. So they can still play portal games. Real quick, Steven, who just off the surface right now week one Clemson at LSU. Who do you root for? Oh, I'm going to root for Clemson because. Yeah, that doesn't change, but that is a Sophie's choice type again. When we return guys, do you want to talk a little bit recruiting? Yes, in just less than a week is actually national signing day. It's not what it used to be. But we're going to talk a little bit on the recruiting angle of things

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15:21in the class of 2026 11 SEC players getting the five star treatment. I'll just kind of put this graphic up and ask you guys which name intrigues you most on this list. And Cory, I got I got to think I know who you're. I don't know who intrigues me the most. Maybe that one at number two, Jared Curtis. Yeah. Yeah, it's going to be a special one right there. It's going to be fun watching in play. Yeah, I agree today as well, Jared Curtis really intrigues me. I want to see what he what he becomes. I want to see offense designed around him, Jay. Yeah, I'm me too. I'm really intrigued to see what he does their Vanderbilt. If he can find a way to win the job as a true freshman, that would be even more intriguing. Vanderbilt's going to be fun to watch again. I want to see what Clark Lee can do. This is now his opportunity to show that he can make this sustainable. It's going to be a challenge. But truth be told, that's what I want to see if that can actually happen. Yeah, if Diego Pavia was like Mario pre mushroom, Jared

16:25Curtis is kind of Mario after the mushroom. So I'm curious. That's so good. Yeah, I'm I'm curious to see what Vanderbilt looks like that you're going to have a true freshman. There's going to be growing veins. But Vanderbilt didn't have a top 100 recruit for ever. Now they have the number two recruit in America. And then they got one for next year too. And Amari Sanders, a linebacker from FRA. So they're they're rolling a little bit in recruiting. Now if you want to get my long winded explanation of what I think this offense is going to look like with Jared Curtis, check out the episode that dropped on Tuesday. Yeah, yep, yep, yep. So but in the short run, it's going to be an evolution of what you saw the last four or five games with the with Vanderbilt and how they were pushing the ball more down field. They were Diego was throwing more from the pocket. They've gotten weapons to be able to do that kind of stuff now. So that's going to be that's

17:25going to be intriguing. And I will say this on this year continues the trend at Ole Miss to where they get a five star player to flip from an Alabama school on signing day who immediately becomes a four star. So with Jace Matthews dropping down to a four star player, it's just ridiculous. Last year was Caleb Cunningham this year with Jace Matthews. But yeah, it should be pretty good. Good for Corey Barber, though. That's a good pickup for LSU, by the way. Everybody and again, it's an impossible task to do the the star rankings and all that. I mean, it's a thankless job and it's it's an impossible job. But everybody's going to say that Steve and everybody's, you know, once once my team gets that committee drops down a little bit, listen Tennessee has according to the rivals 300, the updating rankings, the final rankings. What's the cut off there for five servers like 34 to five. Yeah, Tennessee has a wide receiver, Tristan Keys, flip from LSU way back when 39th overall and phase on Brandon. It's, you know, one of the top quarterbacks in the class 40th overall, he dropped six spots. So he would have been a five star

18:27prior to this final ranking. But Tennessee has several players just on the cut two players, not several. On the cups of five status, they are five star, according to the rivals industry rankings, but not according to the rivals 300 that was just up to. It's kind of crazy to me that phase on Brandon dropped like that. But at the same time, you know, he didn't play, he was hurt a lot of the senior year. However, came back, I think played in five games total four of which were the playoff run and they want to stay title when he was awesome. And he ran the football through the football he was just as expected. So I mean, the injury probably caused him to drop the six spots and he wasn't a five star, but he was signing with Tennessee. Eric, that's exactly what it was on him with Tennessee. Let's not. Also, if you don't, if you don't play in those silly all star games at the end of the year, the analysts that ranked the players, they're going to punish you for it. They do that every year to somebody. I get that they're getting the filling shirt in all seasons with that. Yeah, you know, it cracks me up too to go with this is that Luke Waffle is number one on rivals

19:28across the board. 247 has him 70 ESPN has him 106. And so his composite is 38. It's like, wow, that wouldn't even be that wouldn't even be a five star. Not at all, not on the whole, the whole the whole kit and caboodle like phase on Brandon as a composite five star, which I think that probably him interest in keys at number 10 number 11. So I think that that to me matters more. But yeah, because these were all guys just outside of the the five star rankings. If for those of you looking at on video, but you know, D Lyman, Jake Coroll, they're going to Oklahoma. We got Jace Matthews at that Stephen reference going Ole Miss and of course, phase on Brandon who 247 seems to be higher on than rivals. But it is interesting, though guys, because in this day and age, you start to ask, how much does recruiting even matter? And all these guys we're talking about, like, if they don't play this year, they might be playing

20:29somewhere else next year. So I almost look at it as like, how important are these guys will get them out of the field and see if they can play because if they don't, they're going to be somewhere else in 2027. Yeah. And that's the balance. I mean, every every fan base in America, you know, is asking that same question. That's okay. So how do you balance the transfer portal with traditional recruiting? I mean, traditional recruiting is how you build the foundation of your program, right? But yeah, if you want to go out and get obviously a star quarterback or a difference maker here, and if you want to go get older players in the transfer portal, come in that got plenty of experience. I mean, there's a lot of people saying, well, what's the value of traditional high school recruiting? And every program does a little bit different. I think that the healthiest balance is kind of somewhere in the middle, usually for long sustaining stability. However, again, you got to roster retention. You got to keep those guys. And Tennessee obviously took a big ole swing at Sam Levitt came up short. And then they were pretty much just like, all right, we're going to roll these two young guys, phase on Brandon, who we just saw right there and coming industry ranking five star. And George McIntyre, who once upon a time, like his junior year of high school was a five star, but he was a four star long before those final rankings came

21:31out a year ago, a lot of town on the roster quarterback, will that be the right decision for Josh Hyple? You know, we'll see. But again, that's a clear example. Like, Hey, we brought these guys here for a reason, play them because if you don't play, they're going to leave. Yeah, that's kind of on Brandon when the or Brandon phase on when the phase on bread, phase on brand, yeah, yeah, I got my names mixed up there. I'm, you know, you know, me in names. Does he win the QB one job? Um, it'll be interesting. Rod, I mean, George McIntyre, who I know, you're very familiar with, Corey, gosh, he, promote Academy. Yeah. Jared, you're in Tano, it's Tennessee. Everybody remembers him for the wrong reasons, but he had a job, by the way, he's done some work with me. Um, had, you know, three, four different offense coordinators, five different quarterback coaches at Tennessee. Like, George McIntyre was that in high school. He went through like four or five different offices, a bunch of different coordinators. He's been in the system for a year. Obviously, he coaches know what they have in him. He knows the offense. He still needs to gain some weight in a big time way, but I would assume he's got the leg up phase on Brandon's got all the potential and all the everything you want in a quarterback,

22:33check, check, check, check, check. So how quickly can he come in, learn the offense, operate the speed of the game and all that. And if he can do that, then yeah, I think he's got a really good opportunity to be the quarterback. But I think it's going to come down to that fall, you know, camp battles, third scrimmage and then kind of see what happens. Wouldn't surprise me if they don't have an obvious answer if they play both of them in the beginning of the year. Yeah. Yeah. That's one thing I mentioned before to folks is that retention is just as expensive as acquisition. So going out there to go find players in the portal or even bringing in your foundational players to me, your high school players are more sell your wholesale prices compared to the portal, which is retail prices. That's where the numbers go up. And so you're getting those players because you need to you should get them to fill gas, but you should keep your foundation with high schoolers. I mean, as me as contrary to popular belief out there, that's what Indiana did. Like their entire roster, all J M U dudes that have been with that staff would feel like the last two three, four years with some portal players to feel all the gaps

23:34where they realized after their one really good year last season, they needed to feel in some places. So they can start at Portland but a lot of those do is a J M all their main guys, J M U dudes. And so you're exactly right. I mean, for the most part, not for everybody, but for the most part, to keep your guy, it's gonna be cheaper than going out and getting a guy. It is. And that guy might not be as good as the guy you're losing. So exactly you know what you know, you know, you're devil, keep the devil that you know, right? Yes, a lot of times they're going to give you a hometown discount, not everybody, but a lot of time. Somebody do the best two players in the transfer portal this year is Trinidad Chambolas and Kiwan Lacey, Ole Miss locking them down that that if that would have gone into the portal, they would have been at the very top of the list. And second of all, Caner, you got Jim Knowles and the whole Penn State defense. If anybody used to quarterback questions, you got it, man. Yeah, that is very true. That is very true. But yeah, that's thing to keep in mind when it comes to talking about high schoolers and the portal guys, man, the price, man, it's still going to be expensive, no

24:34matter what, it's always better. Most coaches like the players they recruit for a reason. So they invest in that. The unfortunate thing is sometimes you end up being really young and you just got to live through that young face. And if you can make it out of the young face, that usually pays dividends within about a year maybe two down the road. So I'm hoping Tennessee fans are patient with that portion of I know it's tough. But I mean, that's what we did Oklahoma, right? It took variables about four years to get the defense like it is this year, the way he wanted it. But it was all because it's his own dudes. We portaled in two guys on defense that will probably play immediately a linebacker in one edge. But the rest of those dudes foundational pieces that they've been acquiring like the last three years. And so sometimes you got to just just take give it some time. Let it play out. And then the line, the line somebody told me though, they said, never now more than ever, never has it been as important to finish second in recruiting. Yes, you finished second, you're in when he gets the portal in a year. So yeah, like for Ole Miss, they're

25:37looking at Deuce Gerald's right now. Deuce Gerald's doesn't play this year at LSU. You can bet that they would be looking that direction. Yeah, everybody, obviously not named Ole Miss. I mean, there's ways to talk to those kids. If you don't look probably texting him already. All right, guys, when we return, what we do need to get you, we do need to get to a break. When we return, we got a couple more things we will touch on. And three of that channels will come up on your turn here. More SEC squad. Hey, first guys, let's be real managing your finances. It can fill overwhelming between subscriptions. You forget about bills that keep going up, trying to figure out where all your money actually goes each month. It's easy to feel like you're losing control who has time to keep track of every transaction or hunt down hidden fees. That's where rock and money comes in. Your personal finance app that helps you take control. It finds and cancels your unwanted subscriptions, monitors your spending. Jason Smith has it right there and it'll help lower your bills so you can grow your savings. You're going to be shocked when rock and money

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27:41There's been some NFL scouts even saying that if he did come out in this draft, he could be at least in the top five cornerbacks, although that window closes by the day. But we asked the squad should Chambers get the six-year? I mean, we know Steven's going to agree that he definitely should get it. And I understand why he would say that. I'm saying, oh, he played D2 ball. He played ball for some years. He's played the what, five, six, seven, 13, 45 and a half years. I mean, he's about to go under my age. I get it. No, but on a serious note, I think his eligibility should be exhausted. I get that as D2 and I get the argument similar to Diego Pavia's argument with Juco. Totally understood it. Didn't think he should have got that additional year. He got it. Trinidad's most likely going to get it. But man, it's at the terrible precedent going forward to continue to allow that. Once you hit that Miami Hake, our linebacker Owen Heinecke played one, one played the thing 15 minutes of LaCrosse at Ohio State. He transferred to Oklahoma, walked on. He only got three years of play at

28:46Oklahoma and football. Why? Because of that one freaking year at Ohio State playing LaCrosse. I ain't football. But he played 15 minutes of LaCrosse until that man you got to go. So yeah, I'm bitter. That's exactly what it is. Confirmed. I'm bitter. Well, you know where I stand because Vandy got Diego Pavia because of something similar to this. I mean, Joey Aguilar is trying to get another year as well. I don't think it's going to happen, but it's part of the Diego Pavia suit. I know Pavia's not trying to get another year, but it's his lawsuit. He's a senior bull now. So for a luminary injunction hearing coming up for that, on February the 10th, I don't, again, I don't think anybody's banking on that whatsoever. But I mean, like the whole thing that makes no sense. And Steven, I know that this is your deal. So I'll, I'll let you talk. But like last year, Tennessee was trying to get a baseball player eligible. And I bought the Azuna. It did not happen. But like division two where he, he left Caroline after the World Series went to Tampa because he was going to be eligible to play division two and Tampa's a powerhouse in D2. Spent the fall there came to Tennessee and at the end of January, like

29:48two weeks before the season started. And you know, never got eligibility. It couldn't play, but he was eligible to play division two. I mean, it just makes no sense. The fact that like the end subway can't even get its own story straight from level to level. It makes no sense. I'm with UJ. I mean, even with, even with Joey Aguilar, man, I would love if Joey Aguilar somehow got a lot of their injunction here in a couple of weeks. I mean, sign me up. I mean, the whole thought process of Tennessee's season shifts, right? But I don't think you guys, I don't think he's going to get it. I do think that there's more, there's more faith in trying to get a shameless to get it for Ole Miss though. Yeah, this isn't a Diego Pavia type lawsuit and what went on. It is more similar to what you mentioned about the baseball player in D2. There's different rules when you have a medical issue in D2 as opposed to what is acceptable in D1. And one is not acceptable. What is okay in D2 is not okay for D1. That's what they're fighting with because the notes after the fact and all that, which would be okay down there is not okay

30:48up here. And it's all been documented. He had tonsilitis, which is going to inhibit an athlete performing at a high level regardless. I mean, you're not going to be able to do it. And medically, he has it there to happen. Now, it doesn't sound right because of all these extra rules, but there's no doubt. If you ask me right now, Trinidad Chambus is going to take the first nap whenever Ole Miss kicks off in 2026. It's just a matter of whether it's in the waiver that's already happened by the time you're watching this, that they met on Wednesday, or you have the injunction on February 2nd, where that happens there. If it gets the injunction, listen, it's in the state of Mississippi is it's run by Ole Miss lawyers. It's the judge that sitting in that case played quarterback at Northwest Community College in the 60s. There's a lot going on about understanding what the situation is. So I don't doubt that he's going to play. I'm

31:49curious to see if the NCAA will just take the win by not taking the L and court, which they have taken from time to time. Just go ahead and grant this. And then go get this guy that played in the G League basketball. And go after that case, a case that you can win. Well, that's where I wanted to finish things off. Charles Mediaco, if you guys missed this, played a couple of seasons in the NBA. It declared for the NBA drafted Alabama a couple of years ago. Went undrafted, but signed multiple NBA G League contracts. It's a professional ball, but got a judge in Alabama to rule that he could return to college. Hey, not only a judge, Gordy, a donor to Alabama. I mean, all the jokes, they write themselves. I hear you. It's like this in a lot of places, but a literal booster for Alabama is the judge. I mean, it sounds like that what we would

32:50all do with all of our states. If we were all fighting this exact same thing. You know what I'm saying, but you're right. It's hilarious that it got to that. He's hilarious. And it's a donor because it's like, everybody knows they do that stuff anyway. He's playing right now in a TRO. To my knowledge, he's not gotten junction. He's playing on TRO now, which is extended 10 days because, you know, the weather in this part of the United States is crazy. So we'll see how long this goes. Again, I think I'm not understanding amateurism's out the window. Like we're talking about a quarterback playing a six-year. I mean, Hendon Hooker was 26 now. He was, it was because of medical red shirt, red shirt, COVID year. I mean, you know, like DJ Finley 2.0, right? Yeah, I mean, that's ridiculous. But like, you're sitting here and the guy declared for the NBA draft has played parts of three seasons in the NBA Geely. And he's the first to have one to come back and his now back in college. And, and guys, they played Tennessee the other night. He's also the broadcaster. But oh my gosh, it was like, wow, you know, overcoming all the obstacles. Oh my goodness.

33:52Wow, Betty. He does. It's like the good, like the dude did not have a broken leg and making a comeback here. This is game one of the seconds that in college. I mean, it was ridiculous. So now it's crazy. I don't say that. The only thing I can say, just in argument for them in which the Devon Neville needs advocates. If you ever hear me say that, they don't. Devon don't need no advocates. But I'll give them this, though. We have seen guys go play minor league sports elsewhere and then come back, right? I mean, Chris Winkie is a great example. We played minor league baseball and he came play quarterback and like 30 didn't really last in NFL Lone because he was already 30 by the time he got there. But in this case, it's just dumb. Like you went and played in the G league and why are we? Again, the NCAA is allowing this to happen. They know that humans are habitual line steppers. We're going to jump across. We're going to play on that line and dance as much as possible. Let's just see and push the envelope. We're going to keep doing it. And they know. When Baylor did it with the guy that never played college, never played college basketball,

34:53played G league, you know, and all that. When when Baylor did it, Nate Oates is in the public saying, all that's just off. We'll take an away scholarships, take away opportunities. Like I understand, but later Betty, I go didn't take a scholarship away because they have one open, but he played 26 minutes. The other guy gets Tennessee. You don't think he's taking an opportunity away from somebody. I mean, they have hypocrisy there for Nate Oates. So again, I understand this is just a long list of things that this is wrong right now. But I watched that game. They played Tennessee first. So I feel like I was there firsthand, but it's just made it was the whole Dave Neil circus on the broadcast was a bit much. Yeah. Before COVID, before COVID, it was rare to see a sixth year senior. This would be a big deal. What Trinidad Chambers was trying to do. And after COVID, I've seen ninth year seniors, eight year seniors. I do not know how a three year in COVID amounted to three extra years of eligibility, because that didn't happen before COVID. Yeah, I saw nationally a Poohn's van Wilder with Ryan Reynolds. It's, you know, it's the old Tommy Boyline. A lot of guys go to college

35:55for six years. They're called doctors. Right years. They're called doctors. Yeah. Let's get a real job. All right, Jess, we will leave it there. Thank you guys for making a locked on your first lesson. Remember, follow and subscribe to your favorite locked on show, be covering your favorite team throughout the off season. And make sure you subscribe and follow. So you get all the latest episodes. And if you've never missed an episode that every day or club might just be for you. It's built for you. Add free versions of our shows, plus members only discord access at the locked on podcast.com slash every day or to check it out to find more of Chris Courtney for Jason, Stephen Willis, Eric Kane and Corey Burton. This has been our SEC squad show. We'll talk to you guys next week.