Season 4 – Episode 9 – Indianapolis Preview

0:00Yeah, so next insider we are the Jason's why get and Thomas headed to Indianapolis from one great racing city to another Daytona in the rear view. Look, not only did Eli Tomat make more history, he now has eight wins that Daytona in the crowd was thrilled to have them back and when he took the lead they were going absolutely crazy. But also another one too for Tomac and Hunter Lawrence and they're pulling away at points. So JT Daytona is its own thing and Tomac is dominated there no matter who he's racing with. But what do you see as far as the title based on what we're seeing the last couple weeks? Well, we definitely are starting to see some separation and you can see Hunter and Eli just positioning themselves at the front starting to build a little bit of a gap in points and I think the sentiment here is huge.

1:02You know, you look at the big picture, we're heading into the last race before the first off weekend of the season. We know how important that is. So you don't want to kind of ride off Cooper Webb or Ken Roxon, that's historic way a bad thing to do. But I will tell you, this Indianapolis round is pivotal in the championship, not only on a mathematical scale, but a sentiment scale going into an off weekend because they're going to have to sit and think about this Indianapolis result for 12 or 13 days before they get another shot to kind of resolve any good or bad thing that comes from it. Yeah, both Roxon and Webb now down about 20 points, but more importantly, they were up there the last couple of weeks and got beat by Lawrence and Tomac. But there is reason to think that Indy could be good for one or both of them or though, they've had good results there. Yeah, I mean, you think about the Kickstart Kenny whole mantra. This is where it started. He walks up there with the kickstarter after winning that race, great battle with Farsha a few years ago. And then last year, Cooper Webb came out and you don't want to say dominated, but he was clearly the best guy in Indianapolis last year, and it resonated.

2:05It really set the tone for the rest of that championship. So think about racing and a theme that's gone on forever. Everybody's looking for their own angle on a particular series or race. And I think everybody has one here. The two guys we talked about, Eli and Hunter are thinking, man, we're starting to get away with this thing. It's going to be between us, too. And the other two guys are like, well, Indy is our chance. Indy has been a great race for us and this gives us the opportunity to claw our way back into this thing. Yeah, that puts the pressure on, especially with Webb. We've been waiting. He did get a win at a triple crown and this is a triple crown. But even that one, he didn't get a individual race win. We're still waiting for that Cooper Webb style night and it could be this weekend he's going to need it. So triple crown, come on out if you're anywhere near Indy and I mean anywhere because if you look at the darn Atlas, all the roads, every interstate converges there. So no excuse. If you're snowed in for the winter, get out of it and come hang out at Indy. This is going to be a great show. We'll preview that triple crown event. We'll talk to 50 East. But first, let's check in with the King of Supercross JT.

3:07You got the talk to Jeremy McGrath at Daytona. Big interview time here and I have none other than Jeremy McGrath. You won this race three times, I believe. Last night you had a whole shot King event, Motorcross Nations was the last one here at Daytona. You got some rain, but walk us through how it went last night. Yeah, we were excited at Daytona here and monster we put on the whole shot Kings last night. It's kind of the inaugural one here at the Supercrosses. Man, it was awesome. I mean, it was pouring down rain but we had so much fun. The group of riders, I think there was probably 15 Daytona wins between the group of guys we had last night. So lots of fun, lots of laughs, lots of talking crap on each other and the end result was just awesome. The stands were packed. Let's think about this 2026 season, seeing a lot of guys, a lot of parody at the front, walk us through kind of what your thoughts are. We're halfway and as Ricky always says, season kind of starts here, but what have you thought so far? Yeah, well, my thoughts are, we've had some great racing. I mean, as a fan, we've had some great battles. What we've seen is sort of the guys that can last the distance in the motos in the main

4:09events are kind of rising up to the top right, Cooperwebs gaining some momentum. He's really kind of firing on all cylinders now. They expect him to be riding pretty well tonight, Eli. We've already seen from the gate from the first race. He's been really just kicking butt. So with Hunter Lawrence last week getting his first win, man, we got, we, we got some good guys at the top. So bummer, chase Texans out last week, Kenny wrote at the front, but he was a little sick. So his energy was down, but I mean, I'm looking for three, four guys tonight to be up front. If Eli doesn't just smoke everyone the night, we're going to have a good race. Well, thinking about, you know, the season at large and big picture here, we've seen this trend where some of the older guys are finding success and you go back to Ricky and Dungey and Velpoto. They'll quit pretty early. Now, you stayed around a little bit longer. So what is your perspective like? What has changed from that era to now? So where these guys are finding success in their 30s? Well, I think, you know, like these guys now are super athletes, right? I mean, we were, we, we thought we were athletes, right? We were like, okay, we can make 20, 20 laps and all this stuff and we did train hard.

5:10There's no doubt about that, but the, the way that these guys train and meticulous they work on things to just be the superhuman athlete, we're, we're able to see that, see them ride like that at the end of these races and at a, at a little bit older age. There's so much going on with these older guys. They're just really, really doing it fitness wise and, and it's showing. So it's neat to be able to see these guys race so long. Well, thanks for your perspective and your time. All right, appreciate it. All right, awesome, always fun to hang out and check in with the king. Unfortunately, the rain kind of dampened the whole shot thing a little bit, although I don't know. Not to start in any condition, I guess that just shows the versatility of these guys. They know what they're doing, right? Yeah, well, rain and mud is the great equalizer. And if you were ever looking for a result that said equalizer, I think Axel Hodges beating every legend of the sport you can name, that's pretty tough to beat. So I think it's a really cool event. It's great to see those guys compete doing anything. If they were going to have a running race, sprinting along the speedway, I would probably want to see that too.

6:10So yeah, by all accounts, really cool. Yeah, if you get Jeff Stanton and Axel Hodges and the finals together, clearly it has something for everyone. That's about as far a part of the scale as you can get. They will have another one of those on Broadway in Nashville for the Nashville Supercross later in the year. We're going to take the focus back to Indy though and show you how to watch first come on out. It can even be great whether this weekend. So that'll be fun also. But if you're going to check out the broadcast race day live starts at one o'clock, I'll be on the show this weekend along with AC JB and Hayley Shanley. And then the racing starts at 7 p.m. Eastern. Of course, you can watch live on peacock or the SMX video pass outside the United States. That's Indy coming up this Saturday. Remind you that SMX betting and DFS gaming is back for 2026. There are new sports book bonuses and prop markets live right now. So you can scan that flow code on your screen or visit nxtbets.com slash play SMX and see what's available in your area. Always play responsibly. CT triple crown and gnarly Indy soil.

7:14Can that change things a little bit on where you might want to play? Yeah, I wouldn't really change my strategy so much based off of Indy soil. But I do think the triple crown matters because you can't just go off who's the best guy. You have to factor in the consistency and you know the Cooper web is going to be thinking about that. If he's just maybe a touch off, which has been a little bit of the theme. He hasn't had the top end speed as a few of the other guys. But if he's there every single time, maybe something goes your way. That's how you can manufacture a triple crown win. Okay, 30 second board hot topics in the sport this week. We start with this one. You might have caught on the broadcast on Saturday from Daytona Fitch and Sun. So Bobby Fitch, every time he shows up for a race, I have to be like, is that the same? Bobby Fitch, he is now 45 years old. He raced Daytona, yes, like in the pro class, not the Ricky Carmichael amateur race. And then his son, McCaden, who is actually pretty fast at Loretta's of the last couple years, raced SMX next. We had father, son on the track, JTU raced.

8:17Bobby. I did. And that should be the punchline right there if I was racing someone who's still out there. You're pushing the outer limits of longevity here. It's a really cool story. I think Bobby Fitch is 45 years old. I think is the number. So for him to not make the main event shouldn't shock anybody, but don't let that turn from the coolness that he was actually inside the night show racing the LCQ because I don't know that I could still do that. So all around, you know, we love the fact that SMX is such a family oriented sport. I don't know how much more family oriented that you're going to get than these two competing in the same rate, you know, same event on the same night. Yeah, Bobby got 16th in the LCQ. That means he did beat a couple of guys. It wasn't like he shouldn't have been out there and was way off the pace of every other ride around the track. McAden unfortunately went down in the first turn of that SMX next race and only got 15th, but I've seen him ride again at Loretta's and other big amateur races. He is one to watch in the future. I believe he's 15. So we'll see maybe the next couple of years how his career progressed in that SMX next

9:21race. A first for triumph, Deacon Denno wins and pretty convincingly, man, he lost a lead early in the race, figured out the wooks and honestly looked pretty awesome from there on that triumph. So good for that squad and good for him. Yeah, great effort from Deacon Denno and, you know, sidebar, I had a conversation with Ricky Carmichael leading up to this race and we were kind of discussing what to watch for in this SMX next race at Daytona and I didn't really have a strong opinion. You know, I thought Maneer would be a factor because he was so great in the Anaheim 2 round, but Ricky just kept peppering me about Deacon Denno and when somebody who's done as much winning as Ricky Carmichael has is going to kind of come out and vouch for a rider that's that young and really unproven, you should probably listen. And I tried to, but I didn't do enough of that because he was spot on. The kid was on point all weekend and at Daytona, I just think Daytona is a little bit different. It's hard to fake anything at Daytona. If you don't have the goods, Daytona will expose you. So kudos to that team, kudos to Deacon Denno and I think it kind of preludes a lot of

10:24success to come for them. Yeah, he was only in the B class a year ago, Denno. So this is a pretty rapid climb and I will say, yes, Ricky Carmichael has a relationship with Triumph, but it's not like he's telling us every single rider on the team every week is going to win. He doesn't always say that. So yes, I guess that does speak volumes when he throws, hey, someone's flying at the test track, watch for this kid. Just to add to that, you and I both know he's really careful with making predictions and how things are going to go because he values his word, he values that insight, right? So that's why it kind of was like, he's pressing pretty hard here on this Denno thing and he never does that, even if it's a Triumph rider. So I just think he saw something special and we got to see something special on Saturday night. Yeah, Denno is a really well-spoken, nice young man as well. So that would be great all around if he can continue this forward and maybe even into the pros I would assume by next year. Maybe promo to cross this year, we'll see. Going back to the 450 division, one to watch has been Joey Savachi.

11:27Started the year off really well, it has almost gotten better even from there. This is not a one shot wonder. Savachi is so hard to categorize where he is at the racer. He's on essentially a private to your team, although we'll get to starting to get a little more help from Honda. He's been off the back for a while, he wasn't even in the series full time, couldn't even find a ride all the time. But at the same time, JT, you could also say that him being a top 5-ish 450 guy is where his talent level should be at the same time. Yeah, this isn't a shock to see him kind of mixing it up with these factory guys because he's been a factory guy on a 250 and a 450. He's really just not been this good for a little while. There have been flashes of it. I remember maybe Philadelphia last year, he was riding really well at times, I remember interviewing him in our SMX Insider post show, but this has been a consistent excellent. Joey Savachi, and that to me is the market difference. And yes, Kudos to Honda HRC for starting to get him parts and pieces that will improve

12:32that performance, but make no mistake. The only reason that Honda HRC is stepping up and helping him is because he deserves it. That's how these things happen. If Joey was getting 12th, which we've seen him also do, he wouldn't be getting the things that he doesn't have immediate access to. Honda is recognizing excellence in saying, yeah, man, you ride like that. We will try to support you as much as we possibly can. So it's a great story to follow here with Joey. It's a great story with Yuri Pansky and that Kwadauk Honda team becoming top 5 regulars in just a further that point. Watch how other guys are racing. Watch how the elites of the sport are racing against Joey. They're not immediately trying to displace him or push him out of the way, and kind of that just nonchalant like, you don't belong here, type thoughts. He's just one of them now, right? And they have no issue tucking him behind him and going with him. Where before, if he wasn't one of them, they would immediately go for the front wheel, try to get him out of the way because they know he wouldn't be able to sustain its pace

13:35that can be in the top 5. So it's a subtle difference, but you know it when you see it, and Joey Savachi has arrived in the sport of D-Class. Right. They're not worried about, oh, if I get stuck behind this 17 guy, he's going to hold me up because he's too slow. And you go back to his 250 career, he won a ton of races. He was so close to winning a 250 Supercross title. He led points and promote across. They know the level of talent he has. He's just finally re-unlocked it. We mentioned those parts and pieces where it has filtered out. He told me back at Glendale that he was hoping to get a factory transmission. And Jay, you can explain the gear ratios are different. It's more designed for what you need for Supercross, which is not what bike off the showroom floor is designed to do. Tell me why it's better to have the Supercross style gears, and you can only get that with that custom factory transmission. It's really simple. It comes down to person's second gear or longer. And when I say longer, that means you can just use them in a wider range of situations. So exiting corners to see these guys seat bouncing triples.

14:36It's really hard to manipulate the clutch and second gear on a stock transmission to get in the right power range to do that. Well guess what? You can just go all the way down the first and then hold it wide open, and you don't have to worry about any of that. It is a game changer on that. And then on the starts, too, if you have a longer second gear on the start, you don't have to shift as quickly on the start. And as soon as you see guys shift, that change in power delivery is enough for someone to get their elbows in front of you and seal you out of the start. So if you can leave second gear longer with more power, you're going to be able to reposition yourself off the start. And it's just going to make wife a little bit easier. So it is a huge difference in racing. It may not seem like a big thing on the motorcycle, but as far as the new ones of going faster is a game changer for Joey Savage. Yeah, and even better, I think he only had that transmission at the races. Now he's got one for his practice bike. So now he can start his practice start store in the week. We'll also be with those gears. So he thinks the starts are going to continue to get better. That's an awesome story. And smart move for Honda.

15:37You never know. He could end up stealing points from Eli Tomac, Cooper Webb, Ken Roxner at some point, and even helping Hunter Lawrence try to win this title. Although they're trying to stack all the obstacles in front of Eli Tomac right now. This trophy miss app. First thing that's gone wrong for Tomac in Daytona for like 10 years. This was wild that you guys caught live on the SMX Insider post ratio. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, that hurt. I think he broke his tooth. Oh, he's got to go. That is very unfortunate. Eli Tomac went to grab the trophy and it snapped off and hit him in the mouth. I've never seen anything like that. It's literally the only thing at Daytona that can deter Eli Tomac.

16:39And you want to leave there saying we sank his teeth into this championship lead that Hunter Lawrence had, but I did not expect him to sink his teeth into the trophy as well. So you hope they can get that sorted. He was a mixture of really angry. I think a little embarrassed and unsure of how to handle that whole situation. I can't say that I blame him, but again, you look for things that can kind of take you I Tomac down to Daytona. I guess that's the only one. I've had to move those Daytona trophies around on the stage because I've announced that event. They are super heavy. That's like a real marble base, but if anyone has experience of how to lift that thing and what you'd expect to happen, it's the guy that had already won the race seven times before that. He's caught by surprise. No reason to be embarrassed could happen anyone and he also raced a race last year with a broken leg. So I don't think a chip tooth is going to affect his performance one bit, just like he said, something to laugh at or be angry at at the same time. And we'll talk a little more about riders recovering from different injuries here.

17:41Yes, it's time for the S M X medical update. It's not the SMX dental update. We do bring in Dr. Joe McGinley from the McGinley Clinic. Anything you can do for a crack tooth, chip tooth, anything you can provide advice for Eli Tomac there. You know, for once, I've had a loss for words. I can't really help with that one, you know, find a good dentist that's going to make that look good and not a hillbilly smile. I think it's going to be the way to go on that unfortunate, but no, we just can't help with that one. Some dentists is going to offer it, though, to just have the picture on the wall of the eight-time Daytona winner, I fixed that tooth. I don't think Eli's going to have a problem finding some of the ones to help him. JT, we did see another injury, though, unfortunate. It was a great night for Drew Adams, JT, but it ended not the way he would have wanted it. Yeah, so it sounds like he has a broken thumb, and I'm sure we'll learn more as the week goes on here. But I wanted to ask Dr. Joe, kind of, you know, he mentioned he wants to go racing, right? So we don't know if that's even possible. But when you hear broken thumb, what do you immediately think of will be the challenges

18:44that could preclude him from going racing, or maybe something that he would need to basically have a surgery on, like, what would be the indicator there for you? Yeah, there's a wide range of possibilities here with a thumb injury. So the biggest one that comes to mind, we've talked about it with some of the other riders in the past, is if you have a fracture towards the base of the thumb, you can also have a ligament injury of the UCL. And when that happens, you can have instability, you can have problems with grip, and that fracture can even move and go into atypical places around that joint. So a lot of times, if it's on that end of the spectrum, you'll end up needing surgery, like we saw with some of the riders from this past year. If it's a more traditional fracture along the sort of long bones of the thumb, those can sometimes be managed with conservative care. Now, no matter what, it's not going to feel good. So if Gerardum's the sights end up trying to get on the bike and ride, you know, it's going to be painful. You're going to have to deal with the anti-inflammatory protocols. You're going to have to try to get some mobility to the thumb. So UCL tears and fracture fragments to be my number one concern.

19:45And then second thing is mobility is a thumb and the ability to grip, and actually ride the bike in a comfortable manner where you can go out there and compete. You know what's interesting? Yes. So Cooper Webb two years ago battling jet lords to the title, injures it, can't heal it without surgery. And then apparently last offseason going into 2025, injures it again, but it was able to heal on its own. So what's the difference sometimes with what sounds like a similar injury? Yeah, it depends where the injury is. How much of the ligaments involved if that fracture fragment? We're talking about the UCL in this situation, which is at the base of the thumb, the owner collateral ligament. And that provides major stability that joint. So depending on the location and the extent of that, and if that fragments moving around and if that ligament's unstable, that's what determines whether surgeries are needed or not. So it's not just the imaging. So MRI and X-rays are definitely necessary, but then clinical exam, whether there's true instability of that joint, because what you don't want happening is when you're out there riding and then you can't trust that joint, you can't trust that thumb, to be able to

20:46grip the handlebars, and then you have even a minor bobble and then you can't hold on. So and then you make things worse, right? So when that happens, you can dislocate the joint, you can cause other injuries inside there. So it's a combination of the injury and physical exam to determine if that joint's stable and the extent of ligament versus bone damage. That's a bummer for Adam. That was the best riding we've seen from him really as a professional, a facile qualifier, one is heat, fix the starts, and then ends like that. So we'll see what his long-term prognosis is. Anyway, thanks for the intro, Dr. Joe. See you at the races. Thanks, guys. Okay, back to some news and notes from Daytona, Aaron Plessinger, the man of the people, great guy always taking another step here. This is Caleb, age 13, make a wish, wanted to come to a supercross and meet his hero, and no surprise that AP made time for Caleb and his family, and to get to do it at Daytona, which is as prestige as a place of anything in any type of sport. Just awesome for Aaron and the Red Bull KTM team to open their doors. Yeah, I mean, AP is truly the best of us. If you were going to ask people, and it's amazing that he can be this popular, and really

21:50he hasn't won championships, he's only won what two races, I think, he might be the most popular rider in his sport, despite not having the resume to go along with it, and that truly just speaks to who Aaron is, and I think this is just another example of that. An amazing thing, Aaron was a pretty fun person out in the 250's, and you and I did many podcasts where we said that probably won't last in the 450 class, it'll be too much pressure, too much scrutiny, and he's told me over and over, he's like, I heard you guys say that, and I said, I'm going to make sure that I don't change. It can be done, and boy, as it paid dividends for him to just stay true to himself and shout out to his team also for embracing that, and not telling him to cut the hair, they build them a darn cowboy hat, and you can see with Caleb there how well that is resonated with the fans. Okay, let's go back to Indy. So the triple crown coming up, you and I love this, now JT, you never had to race it, so we do know that the riders and teams are always a little leery of it, because that's a lot of insects to me, a lot of pressure, but it sure leads to mixes up and results.

22:50Yeah, it comes with challenges, right? The teams have to build a backup bike, which, you know, there's an expense to it and extra work, and the riders are talking about it's more racing, but I'm going to tell you as a fan, and just general, a person that's been around this for their entire life, I believe this is the best platform on an entertainment level we have. Six times we get to watch the best racers in the world, and I know one of them's the visional, go out there in a race that matters, points wise and championship wise, there's no way you're going to be able to top that. You simply can't, and it's right out of the gate. As soon as we get on the show, those guys have their engines ready, and they're going racing for things that matter in this championship, and it doesn't stop until we go into the S and X inside our post-race show, it has non-stop action. Some of these nights, these triple crown nights are just a home run all the way around, so yeah, I can't wait for it, I love these, I wish there were more, but I understand the purest side, they want the 21 minute race, I understand all that, but for my money, triple crown to weight that. Yeah, and that brings us to 250 East, so I feel last year in Daytonapolis for 250 East was

23:56super pivotal, and here's why at the East and West there together, Seth Hammaker went out and hammered everybody, and that really reestablished, he had won a race as a rookie in 2021, but it had been really up and down since then, when he won that indie race, East West, I think it really showed the new level of Seth Hammaker, he's clearly maintained that winning Daytona last week, that was big. And then Cold Davies was just so darn fast in these boots that were almost impossible to even jump through, let alone blitz, I think that really put Davies on the map. And now those two are ahead to head, Joe Shimot has been riding probably better than expected coming back from injury, Pierce Brown is the point leader still, so this is a great scenario where someone needs to get momentum in this series. I think you have four guys that can all win it, I truly do, I would have a tough time handicapping, who is a queer favorite, I think Seth has momentum. I think Cold Davies is really going to shine and indie the way he rode these conditions last year, but Pierce Brown has been a revelation and we're still on the comeback trail for

24:59Joe Shimota. We are not getting his best stuff, I would say he hasn't even thrown his fastball yet to bring in a baseball reference, so I think we could have any of those four guys end up with this championship, and that's the way we want it, right? To watch the Tiffany West division, Deegan has run away with this thing, this East Coast is the antithesis of that, where I believe every time the gate drops any of those four can win. Yeah, the speed of Davies is crazy, no doubt, but then the experience of the others, and that'll be interesting to see if he can harness it every weekend, or if they can take advantage of the lessons they've learned in the past, I mean for sure, Ham, Hey, Kerr and Shimota have been through it and know how these titles can be won and lost, so this is really fun to have that group and a triple crown at Indy. But the same story rings true in the 450 division, we touched on this at the top, with the off-weekend coming up, everyone's going to have two weeks to think about what happens at Indy. I feel like if Cooper Web or Ken Roxon can win this weekend, or not, completely changes

26:00their season. I think Hunter and Eli are who they are at this point. Whole season to me comes down to this weekend for Roxon or Web, what do you think? Every race matters, of course, but having an extra weekend to wet that sink in, both positive or negative, it can go both ways, and you really want to leave this race on the right foot because every night, every day of the practice track, that off-weekend, that's going to set in, it's going to be reinforced by your own thought process, and it can work for you or against you as I mentioned. So guys that are kind of on the outside looking in, you mentioned Roxon and Web, they have to claw some points back here, just so they kind of, they're mentally, they're like, hey, we're going to be back in this thing? We're going to work really hard on the off-weekend, got points going the right way, and Birmingham is going to be our time to claw back into this fight. But man, think about what if Eli and Hunter put more points into them. Now we're over 20, and they have to start thinking about, how am I going to ever get those points back with six or seven rounds to go?

27:01It's going to feel like something insurmountable. So I agree with you, pivotal as a perfect word for this, not even on the map side, just on their mental state going into the off-weekend. Okay, that's it for 30 board on to Indianapolis, here's how and where you can watch, of course, live on Peacock, where the SMX video passed outside the United States, and sticking to the same time for almost all the races this year, it'll sound familiar, race day live starts at one o'clock Easter on Saturday, and the racing starts at seven o'clock Easter, but keep in mind, by the way, with the triple crown format, the last chance qualifiers take place during the day, they're not part of the night show. So at the end of race day live, you'll hear the great Justin Brayton and Adam Seams-Rillow give you the call for the LCKU, and then the field will be set for the night show. So that's just the way it goes in the triple crown, just a little reminder there, and I'll be on that show as well with them, filling in for Lurch for the weekend, and Hayley Shanley will be there. Also, going to be a fun weekend in Indy, but of course we'd be remiss if we don't show you the track.

28:02Let's see. Tell us what you think here of Lucas Hoyle Stadium. Well, it's going to be a good one, you know, the triple crown, I think it's going to take a toll on the track. So I think it's going to be a little soft and a little ruddy, especially in the later triple crown events, but look at that long start, goes into that right hander, so that can be a double edge sword. Yes, it gives riders room to move around to get into that corner, but also that's a lot of speed to brush off without the full use of your rear brake, too. So could be a tricky first corner, some pretty big rhythm sections here for Indy. I think some guys, there may be a quad or two in there that guys to pull off depending on how ruddy it ends up being, and then we always have to talk about the whoops coming out of that full berm. Are they going to be blitzers? Are they going to be jumpers? Remember how difficult it was to blitz last year, and that's where Cole Davies had a distinct advantage over his 250 competitors, so watch for that to be an ever-changing thing throughout the night. Well, Davies has definitely had that going also at the first two races. This year, but he doesn't have a win because the first turn crash and a bad start, could

29:03this be where he gets his season going with a victory? It's going to be tough. 250 East is deep, and we mentioned the Triple Crown format, and I'll pivot all this is in the 450 class. Come join us in person. That's a huge building. Really one of the nicest stadiums we go to, home of the Indianapolis Colts, so come on out or watch the broadcast. It's going to be fun. Plus, there's a weekend off after that, so get your monster energy super-cost fix when you can. That's it for SMX Insider. He's Jason Thomas. I'm Jason Wigand. See you this Saturday at The Circle City.