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0:00This is Saving America with your host, Dr. David D. Schein, presenting the intersection of business and politics. Enjoy common sense commentary and interviews with some of the world's most interesting people. Now here's your host, Dr. David D. Schein. Welcome to Saving America. This is your host, Dr. David D. Schein. As usual, we have hot stories from all over the world. Trump economy continues its roller coaster. The US economy needs to add as many as 120,000 jobs a month to stay up with the population growth and course graduations. Against that benchmark, job growth has been anemic for a couple of years. Yes, remember that the liars running the stats of the last year, the Biden hairs, first-stated job growth by 800,000 jobs. I believe the Trump administrators are trying

1:00to get it right. Several recent months had no job growth and for December looks like only 50,000 new jobs. An interesting stat that's at the unemployment rate dropped to 4.4%, but how is that possible? Well, that means many job seekers are discouraged and have stopped looking for work. So sometimes what looks good news really is not. I know many of my fine students are having challenges finding full-time positions, although internships seem to be plentiful, so hopefully those will lead to full-time positions. The lack of jobs is blamed on AI in the uncertainty involving tariffs. The Fed continues its slow rate reduction last month, knocking the rate down another quarter point to 3.72% effective rate. With all this going on, buckle your seat belts for the 2026 economy. Unresting Iran equals mass murder. I ran admits to 2,000 people killed in the protests against the current extremist government. The problem is that it may be much, much worse

2:04than that. I saw a number as high as 16,000 killed, and I believe at least 5,000 have been killed today. The murderist regime is going to start hanging as many as 800 protesters they had in custody, but Trump threatened Iran and they reportedly backed down at least for now. In turn, Trump withdrew plans to bomb Iran again. This in sharp contrast to the failed Obama administration's fake warnings in 2009. Iran takes Trump seriously after USA pobrized their nuclear bomb facility. Trump swears his support for the protesters, but I would like to know exactly what that looks like. I support anything other than American boots on the ground. Time to free the people Iran from the slavery conditions they are no under. I do know that the economic sanctions are crippling the Iranian economy, and that is driving the current round of protests. Word is that the terrorists running Iran have already planned an escape to Russia. Hope that happens soon, but then again, that creates

3:07the infamous void, and I'm not sure that the good guys are in a position to take over that void. A tax on ICE agents continue. It's no secret that I'm a hardcore law and an order person. I ask the public to reserve judgment following the deadly shooting in Minnesota. While the riots continue, but the news that I have seen appears to overwhelmingly support the officer shooting to defend himself against a deadly threat. In the meantime, two TDA associates were shot and wounded while resisting arrest in Portland. Again, I support the ICE agents. The criminally legals were apparently using the vehicles they were to threaten the ICE agents, and an ICE agent was attempting to arrest a criminal legal when that person broke away and the agents pursued him. Then, two other bad guys dived into the fray with get the snow shovels and broomsticks. The agent resorted to using his handgun to wing the first suspect for his own safety. All three are in custody. The

4:08agent managed to survive with minor injuries. I would have endorsed kill shots for all three, if I have a say in that case. The anti-American morons running Oregon and Minnesota continue to shout anti-American slopp and are preventing their local police from protecting ICE from the rioters. All I can say is that when any reasonable person reviews the criminal records of those being arrested by ICE, it is clear that this is for the benefit of all of us. These scumball politicians are not acting for their constituents, and that's for sure. The Greenland controversy. I'm on record is not supporting any effort for the U.S. to take over Greenland. It makes no sense to go after allied countries. Recently, several NATO countries sent troops to Greenland in a show of force. That's great, but they should be doing it to show Russia and the CCP, not Trump. In previous saving American episodes, I've emphasized that we need to have great relations with our allies. Think about it. We can do less and can focus on high-tech developments if our allies will cover

5:10their share. So I hope Trump will soon announce that due to the positive developments with the rest of NATO, Greenland is secure. The U.S. just used our access to Greenland to develop a golden dome and anti-missile armaments there. We simply do not need to take over the country to do that. At the same time, I'm disturbed about the anti-civilization reports coming from some of our allied countries. For instance, a German woman does more jail time than the rapist she criticized. The story is that nine attackers gang raped a 15-year-old girl in Hamburg, Germany. This woman who was commenting on the punishment of the rapist was found guilty of defamation of one of the attackers. She called him a disgraceful rapist. The rapist served no jail time since he was a teenager. However, she, the woman commenting on this, was jailed for a weekend. This is ridiculous for sure. Unfortunately, I'm hearing more and more stories like this from the UK as well. I hope our allies like the UK and Germany will

6:14get on board with a real western civilization. Both countries are starting to sound more and more like Iran. Details on the billions of dollars in fraud losses in Minnesota continue to flow. As America tips the $39 trillion mark for official national debt, the news from Minnesota continues to shock the conscience. It also appears more likely that tampon Timmy and his buddies in Minnesota were well aware of the scams and kept clients as they wanted the votes from the scammers and their supporters. The reports include Medicaid, which reports indicate total $18 billion in expenditures since 2018. There is no accurate report as to how much of these funds was designed to help low-income households has been now flushed down the toilet. I saw a report indicating that bundles of money have been documented going to Somalia. The Fed prosecutor called the situation in just real-level fraud. Other programs being alluded include Medicare and SNAP. I know taxpayers

7:14like myself are screaming for prosecutions of all involved. Serious prison time and recovery of funds must be obtained in these cases. As my regular listeners know, I favor total elimination of most of these programs at the federal level. The states can decide what to spend their money on and will then be the proper guardians of those funds. As we say, then they will have skin in the game. American needs energy. Do the expansion of AI and quantum computing American needs even more energy than previously projected? At the same time, the Trump administration has gone full-tilt against wind power. I take a more balanced approach. I agree that many wind farms, especially recently, are poorly conceived and can constitute more risk to commerce and wildlife than is justified. However, I have been to places that have successfully developed some wind power, so I am not against it in a blanket fashion. The Trump Department of Interior is reportedly positing all wind farms at this time. The Department is claiming that the proposed wind farms

8:18constitute national security risk. I am not exactly sure how those wind farms would constitute such a risk, and the reports that I saw did not provide much detail. Trump has been very outspoken opponent of wind farms since before he was elected, so more to come on this. The Department of War targets Senator Mark Kelly. Kelly is a dem Senator from Arizona who stupidly joined a handful of clowns who claimed that active members of the military could refuse unlawful orders. They of course failed to define what they considered unlawful. This has been labeled by Trump and others as seditious behavior. I agree with that, although given the fine line here, I doubt anyone will be thrown in the brig. In an interesting approach, Kelly who retired from the Navy in 2011 is being activated so that the feds make challenges rank. If they are successful, they could bust his rank, causing him to lose future retirement pay from the military. As it is, he is what is referred to as a double-dipper that is someone who gets two or more federal pensions, so other than bruising

9:20his ego, it is unlikely it will cost him very much if anything. Kelly claims this is a political attack. I think the action actually is appropriate. However, I would quickly volunteer that I want all federal pensions except the military stopped immediately. The fed employees can live with savings plans. That's right. The infamous 401k plans that the vast majority of private sector employees have available to them, not the lucrative pensions like our so-called public servants. All rise. We're going to take a short break, but don't go anywhere when we return with saving America. We're going to be hanging out with a three author panel who have written a great new book called Slacking and can hide to how not to do an Ivy League education. When the game is on the line, championship teams know the game plan. They communicate and work together to win. We all need a game plan to protect ourselves online. Talk to family and friends so they know how to stay safe too. Create strong passwords, turn on multi-factor authentication, update software,

10:26and recognize and report phishing because online safety is not something you want to fumble. Get more game-winning tips at sissa.gov forward slash secure our world, then share them with family and friends. Thanks for coming back. We've got our authors Adam Kissle, Madison Marie Donne, and Rachel Alexander Combe, three great authors who put together a thoughtful book called Slacking and Analysis of the Current Status of the Ivy League. Our series interviews for saving America establishes that the world is full of interesting people. Once you hear from our panel, I'm sure that you will agree they each deserve a moniker of interesting person. Saving America welcomes Adam Kissle, Madison Reno Donne, and Rachel Alexander Combe. Adam Kissle is visiting lecture and formal organizations at Trinity College, visiting fellow at the Heritage Foundation and a board member of the National Association of Scholars. He also serves on the Americas 250 and Advisory Council on Civic History and America's Future. It's a master's from the University of Chicago, a bachelor's in English and American

11:29literature and language from Harvard. He served in the first Trump administration as the Deputy Assistant Secretary for Higher Education Programs with the United States Department of Education. Madison Marie Donne is the policy analyst in the Center for Education Policy at the Heritage Foundation. Her work focuses on higher education reform regarding affordability and accountability. She also writes on K-12 Education Choice Initiatives. Donne is also a visiting fellow with the Maryland Family Institute where she writes and comments on issues related to education choice, parental rights, and local education. Previously, she served in multiple roles for U.S. Congressman Brian Babin, Texas 36, most frequently as legislative correspondent where she manages portfolio on religious freedom and values. Her work has been featured in Fox News, Washington Examiner, Washington Times, the Daily Signal, and the Educational Freedom Institute among others. She graduated summa cum laude from Lamar University with double major in economics and finance,

12:30has a certificate in humanizing education policy from the Pepperdine School of Public Policy. Rachel Alexander-Kon teaches at Louisiana State University, Franciscan Missionaries of Our Later University and Secretary Classical Academy in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. And teaches remotely for Belmont Army Colleges Online Masters in Classical Liberal Education. She earned a PhD in Masters in Political Science from Baylor University and her BA from Washington and Lee University. Our three guests are here today because they're co-authors of the new book, Slacking Guide to Ivy League Miss Education. Of course, we're also assuming that the faculty members a good education and can actually teach those courses. And I'm beginning to get a little nervous about some of the qualifications if we've got people coming through programs like this and then creating the courses that they're teaching is what type of classical education did they have

13:32that they think that this is a good idea for education for our current generation. So this thing hasn't really, we really thought through this whole model and because it is a concern. And sometimes people say, well, you know, in my professional life, I never used Beowulf, which by the way I read in German in college. But I teach business law and attorney in addition to a scholar and teach business law and teach business ethics. And one of the the classic books that I mentioned is John Steinbeck's The Grapes of Wrath, which in my opinion is one of the hundred great books of American authors. And of course, he also wrote a Mice and Mana of, you know, again, books that that shared with people, the historic experience that many Americans went through as America went through the great depression and the difficult times associated with it. And it's interesting because I will ask

14:37my class, there's a particular point where a piece of business law ties into a scene in the grapes of wrath. And I say to my students, how many of you have read the grapes of wrath zero? And there's another classic book and there's also Shakespeare play. And I'll ask questions about that. And it's like, now I'll say to them, do you know about the Game of Thrones? Most of them know Game of Thrones. But it's kind of stunning because I kind of look at this, but is this a rolling problem? In other words, have we also rolled this down into the high schools because I read grapes of wrath and I read Beowulf in college, but I read grapes of wrath in my cement and in high school ex-English. You bring up a very important point that someone like Edie Hirsch also mentions, says if you want to have good experiences out in the world with other intelligent people, you need to be part of the cultural life of American civilization and Western civilization,

15:41so that when somebody talks about Grendel the monster, you can say, oh yes, I read that in Beowulf. And when someone talks about the American planes and the difficulty of being in a wagon and trying to survive on the frontier, you need to understand what that experience was like for so many Americans. If you know none of that, but what you know is pop culture, you're not going to have a good experience among other intellectually stimulating people. I think, yeah, I think David, you pointed to two really important problems, which is that for one, a lot of parents of current students haven't had a classical education themselves, just like the professors you're referring to maybe haven't had a classical education or just a genuinely liberal education. And so when they're looking at colleges with their kids, they don't necessarily know what to look for or know what to avoid. And then secondly, a college students are increasingly struggling with literacy, not just with cultural literacy, but with reading comprehension, basic reading comprehension. And so professors who

16:45do desire to teach these great texts, Beowulf, Homer's Iliad, they struggle to assign those texts because the students are struggling to read them themselves. So I think it's a complex problem that you know, that has issues at every level. There's a couple of sayings about Harvard. One is the hardest thing about Harvard is getting in. There's so much great inflation if everyone's getting a minuses. The other one, which I hadn't heard, again, until recently, is you can tell a Harvard man, but you can't tell them much. Absolutely. Madison, go ahead. I just wanted to add on a positive note. I think there is a revival of classical education, at least at the K-12 level. So Rachel has actually done some great work when ever she was a visiting fellow at Heritage and Heritage and kind of documenting the rise in classical education that we've seen in the K-12 level. And so I think that is something that's positive and moving forward, we're going to have more students educated in a classical manner, especially as we have expanded educational choice programs and states all across the country.

17:45Yeah, it's a fascinating process. Our third question is, how did you new book help those students and their parents who still want to go to an ivy? What are we telling them? Yeah, so happily we did find at each of these schools good courses for students to take. There are few and far between, but they are there. And so the problem really is students aren't always aware of what they should take. So we're hoping our book can serve as a road map for students headed to the ivies to know what they should take. So at the end of each chapter, we break down the general education requirements into two lists. We have a slacker list of basically the worst courses offered or some of the worst courses offered. And then we have a striver list for students who are striving to get a good education. And those are highlighting the courses students should look for and should try to take. So I looked at Yale and Dartmouth, both of these universities have humanities sequences that students can take basically in the history

18:50of Western thought. Brown had a few of those courses as well. So they're there. You just have to know what you're looking for. It's an interesting challenge. The flip side of that is, as we've all know, it's difficult to get into the ivies. And they're very expensive. What would you say to parents in terms of where else should they be looking? In other words, what are your alternatives, if you say, well, you know, I'm a straight A student at my high school and I've got, you know, great SAT scores or ACT scores. Where else should they consider? And because the school rankings are, unfortunately, seem to be, I've lost all confidence in rankings, by the way, because of the people that are doing the ranking or the same people who are coming up with these courses, right? Right. I'll let Madison talk about our college guide at Heritage. But you should be thinking about a college like University of Chicago's College, which has a small

19:52number of carefully chosen courses for the most part that educate you and human being in citizen, classes of social and political thought, the natural sciences, the physical sciences, and the writing requirement, which is integrated into the humanities requirement. That's the kind of 75 year tradition that Chicago has with its undergrads that is worth it if the main thing you're looking for is a high-quality college curriculum. But Madison, would you take a couple minutes and talk about our college guide? Sure. So Heritage and 2024 in the Lancet honor of Choosing College of Competence Guide, we initially ranked our initially evaluated around 300 colleges and universities all around the country. Last year in the recent edition, we upped that number to about 987 double university colleges that we were looking at, and we ranked the three colleges, gave them either a green light or red light or a yellow light. The green light is our, these are our recommended colleges. The yellow light was, hey, it's worth considering. We can't vouch for the entire school system, but we can say that these, they have these great honors programs or great books programs, other

20:57things that students can consider taking part of. And then last one was our red rating, so not recommended. So there were like 25 different metrics that we looked at from fires free speech rankings whether or not students or with our colleges have adopted the Chicago statement and free speech. We also looked at graduation rates, median income, post-graduation. We looked at actas, the American Council will alumni and trustees have this great, what would they learn where they actually look at the core curriculum requirements at all the universities. So there is a lot of different metrics that went into our ratings. But yeah, if you're curious about parents and families are curious about looking at, clicking closer with the college universities, they could go on the heritage website and take a look at our choosing college confidence guide. I think we drove pretty hard to find a green light in every state. In some states it was harder than others, but if you want to stay close to home, there might be a good college that we can recommend. And lastly, I would just add one takeaway I've had from this project is that parents and

22:00students should be much more conscientious about college visits. Going to the colleges, they're considering and sitting in classes that they're interested in, not just going to see what the campus looks like or what the student life is like, but actually going and sitting in on lectures and seminars to see what the education that given college provides. So I think that can go a long way for finding a truly good fit and not just following prestige or the rankings. You mentioned a couple times, bad bunny, and I have to admit, I have never heard a bad bunny until the NFL made a horrendously stupid decision, which kind of doubles down on the direction the Ivy's have been coming. And reportedly he's going to be the featured entertainment during half time at the Super Bowl. And since I am busy doing real things, I don't watch any sports.

23:03It doesn't really make a difference. I know a lot of people watch the Super Bowl, watch the commercials, which I don't think is a sweeping endorsement of what's going on there anyway. But it's kind of interesting. So I got a chance to look at him or whatever up. And it didn't sound like anybody that I could associate with a profile team. So this, what people, I know some people don't like the term, but I can't think of better term with this wokenness that has led to the slacking. It seems to have permeated past the the Ivy's and into social our society in general. But I think that Harvard seems to have caught the, I'm trying to remember her last name or his last name, but we talked about this on a saving America recently, is Harvard has announced that they have a trans person coming over to teach two courses next

24:07semester. And the person's name is, I know the first name is vagina. I forget the last name. And Adam's nodding his head. So I think he knows who we're talking about. I do. I think the person goes by the last name, Vagis Stan. It's very disappointing. And they're teaching RuPaul's Drag Race, some kind of television show. It's low culture, low side of pop culture that Harvard, I think, is doing on purpose to say we're Harvard, we can teach what we want. We don't want to see these outsiders tell us what to do. And here's an example of that. The first part of your comment I thought was also important because it's the leaders of America who go to the Ivy League colleges and then you find them in business, you find them running the NFL, you find them in some of the key institutions of society. If we don't get our Ivy's great, it's a big challenge for America. Please proceed. Johnson and Johnson to cut drug prices. Make a corporation. Johnson and Johnson cut a deal with the Trump administration to cut drug

25:09prices in exchange for terror relief on some items. They also committed to building two new factories in the United States. This follows deals previously made with nine other major drug companies regarding Medicaid and cash buyers. This is a little touted story about the efforts of the current administration to help Americans. It is irritated me for years that American drug prices are often three and four times higher than in other countries. Right, we Americans have been ripped off by the drug companies for decades. The Johnson, Johnson plants will be built in North Carolina and Pennsylvania. The investment is estimated to be about $55 billion. How does the defendant plead? Could Mahawk hurt the GOP in the 2026 elections? Mahawk stands for Make America Healthy It Can. I take on the Make America Great Again Trump theme. The leader of this is HHS Secretary RFK Jr. A controversial issue is the number and type of

26:09childhood vaccines recommended by his agency. I'm a big fan of necessary and effective childhood vaccines. I'm not an expert on this, so I have to defer to the medical community on this matter. It does seem to me that too many vaccines are being recommended for our little people, but which ones? Apparently a lot of young family members prefer the larger number of vaccines. 17 versus the now recommended 11. I'm very surprised by this, so the story is that the GOP candidates in swing districts who support Mahawk may take a beating in November. On the positive front, voters generally like Mahawk other than vaccines, like the elimination of questionable chemicals and colors in common food. Please raise your right hand. Food preservatives may be bad for you. Consistent with Mahawk, some recent studies indicate that food preservatives may increase the risk of type 2 diabetes in some cancers. The report is based on NutriNet Sante cohort. This is a long-term research study from France, which started in 2009.

27:15From my perspective, I like long-term studies since they have more credible, in my opinion, than to many short-term studies that we hear about in the news on a pretty frequent basis. An amazing 170,000 adults retract in the study to determine the impact of diet on health over the long run. Type 2 is becoming a major threat to health in America, so understanding the French study results can have a major impact. The level of detail in the study is compelling. 58 preservatives were identified, 17 eaten by at least 10% of the study group. In turn, a batch of common food additives were tied to type 2 diabetes. This list included potassium sorbate, potassium metasulfide, sodium nitrite, acetic citric and phosphoric acids, sodium acetate, calcium propione, sodium escorbate, alpha tocroffordol, sodium erythrobate, and rosemary extracts. That last one really had me surprised. I know that I've done all I

28:17can for the last five years to eliminate sodium nitrite and sodium nitrite from any foods that I buy. Yes, I'm the irritating guy in the grocery store who stands in and reads all the ingredients of everything in every food product that I buy. The study indicated those who consume the most of those preservatives experienced a significantly higher risk than those who consume the least. A second study that studied the same participating pool data found that some of these additives contributed to breast and prostate cancer, including sorbates, sulfites, sodium nitrite, and acytate. So, a word to the wise, be careful what you eat. Objection, Your Honor. Drump is called on fed share power to lower the official lending rate, not looking likely so far. Housing is shifted from sellers to buyers market. This is a reflection of economic uncertainty, but also those high mortgage rates. May I remind you you're still under oath? We need to take a break, but more craziness from the

29:18politics and business world when we get back. Brushwood, median network. Did you make the transfer to Hong Kong for the Emerson Project? I was just about to, but did you see the bosses, Ewa? It doesn't look right. It looked fine to me. I don't remember who mentioned the Emerson Project or the last few days. The bank in Hong Kong closes in 15 minutes. Make the transfer. Yes sir. Now it's on the way. Mr. Jacobs just transferred the money for the Emerson Project. What Emerson Project? Don't be that guy. Trust but verify. Welcome back to Saving America. This is your host, Dr. David D. Shocking. Business students, business persons, or consumers, business law impacts much of what you do. This segment is designed to help you get past the headlines on key stories. The BrainCourt rejects challenged by Dick Tobacco on new cigarette warning labels. Has a lifetime non-smoker, and in fact someone who campaigned against Smoky and Public in the late 1970s, I find this latest

30:22scotus ruling of special interest. The Surgeon General first declared smoking a health hazard in 1964. A year later, the first warning notices were required on cigarette packs in an advertising. Advertising on TV Radio was banned by 1971. By 1998, a major settlement with the industry caused almost all advertising to cease. In 2009, the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act granted the Food and Drug Administration FDA the authority to regulate tobacco products. This included the authority to regulate some of the industry's marketing practices. The current dispute started in 2020 when the FDA issued a rule that required health warnings on cigarette packages in an advertisement to cover the top 50 percent of the area on the front and back panels of packages and at least 20 percent of the area to top of cigarette ads. The FDA provided text and graphic images that are pretty compelling folks like a person missing

31:27toes or having black toes. Several major tobacco companies went to federal court to block the new FDA rule, claiming first amendment protection. They actually won the first round in Texas court. However, the fifth circuit court appeals reversed the trial court in an unanimous ruling that the FDA rule was constitutional under prior Supreme Court standard that permits the government to compel commercial speech, so long as the speech is purely factual, uncontroversial, justified by a legitimate state interest and not unduly burdensome. Then, big tobacco, good citizens that they are appealed to the Supreme Court before the proceedings could return to the trial court. Godis recently bounced the case declining to reverse the fifth circuit, so watch for some pretty creepy illustrations of your still among the smokers. Silence in the court. The accused criminal reported gang member, Kilmar, Amando Abrego Garcia, the illegal alien

32:30deported to his native L Salvador earlier this year, has been brought back to the United States to result of court rulings. So the taxpayers wasted more money on this garbage who should have stayed in his home country. This is the illegal who clowns like Senator Chris Van Holland went to visit with your taxpayer money. Don't forget that next time he runs for reelection. On the good news side, Abrego Garcia is not out running around. The Justice Department met him with an indictment for human trafficking, which includes two felony counts. They have video evidence. I hope you will do a long stint in a high security prison and then be deported back to L Salvador. He should never be free again to roam the streets of this country and commit crimes. Our series interviews for saving America establishes that the world is full of interesting people. Once you hear from our next guest, I'm sure that you'll agree that she deserves the moniker of interesting person. Saving America welcomes Paulette J. Buchanan. Thank you.

33:30Having me on your show, I appreciate it and I hope that the information I give to people will definitely peak their interest and get people interested in this topic. Well, we're going to tell people a little bit about you. You've earned an MA in European history and a BA in history and political science and public policy. You're a former educator whose stock course is across all levels, even at the Navy Education Office on the Grotten Connecticut submarine base. Since 2007, she's worked alongside other victims and legislators in effort to bring about needed changes in the law to better protect individuals and society. She's a member of International Cultic Studies Association and speaks about topics such as cults and the law. She's the author of Fighting for Justice, Religious Fraud, Mental Illness and the Collapse of Law and Order. This book tells a true story of her quest to protect herself and her family from the abuse and attacks of her brothers that continued from childhood into adulthood. We welcome her back for her second visit

34:32to Saving America to update her audience on this important topic. Yes. You know, I wrote the book actually at the suggestion of a civil rights attorney when I explained to her the lengthy details of everything that we were going through that included death threats and things like that. Primarily from one brother, but the other brothers kind of joined in. They have their own series of problems, mental health problems. But yeah, we were getting death threats and again, my brother, the primary one, is claiming to be a religious leader, calls himself a pastor, claims that he runs ministries and basically scams and doops people on the internet into believing this. He has no qualifications for any of this and he just unleashed himself on me through the use of the internet through defamation that was absolutely horrific. I'm an educator around children. He was accusing me of being a child of user. He was accusing me of being a domestic terrorist.

35:34All kinds of crazy things and we worked with our legislators. We worked with law enforcement. I did have an arrest warrant against him for harassment at one point, but nothing was being done on both the state and federal level. There was a federal cyber stocking law that we tried to get enforced. And repeatedly, we were told by, in Connecticut primarily, but also by the feds in Georgia and the feds in Connecticut, that yes, he's breaking the law, but no, we're not going to put out the money to enforce the law. And that's just patternally wrong. That's a violation of our most basic civil rights and our basic human rights to live and keep quiet. This is the background that led to you're writing the book. What else happened? Give people a little bit of an idea of the timeline because this didn't happen just in two or three weeks. No, this actually has taken place from the early 2000s. I mean, really, it goes back earlier than that, but where he really

36:34started going after us was he would started suing us. It's called pro se or you represent yourself by oneself without an attorney. It's quick and easy. A few hundred dollars, you can sue anybody you want to for no reason whatsoever. And so we did everything we could to fight these lawsuits. We kept urging the judges to put some kind of injunction against him and they just didn't care. We won every lawsuit. He sued other people, his ex-wife, a church that he was once involved with, his ex-wife's husband. He just he's probably sued a good number of people. We just not aware of the full scope of it. In the end, he ended up suing our attorneys and judges. So we ended up getting both state and federal injunctions and judgments against him with a trouble amount because he was deemed an abusive or vexatious litigant on both the state level and on the federal

37:36level. And so we have permanent injunctions against him because of this. But nobody should have to go through nine lawsuits. It took nine lawsuits to finally get full complete justice. And we have been able to recover some of the judgment that we want against him. I consider it a miracle because he is making money under the table somehow. He takes Mediterranean cruises and he takes other types of trips and he can't do that on the income that he has claimed in the courts that he makes. So there's there's something kind of cheesy going on there. But I did want to ask you, tell us what jurisdiction you said you did get a federal injunction. What court, you know, of course, federal courts sit in particular states and you have state courts. What states are we dealing with here? It wasn't until we moved to Tennessee that we got the state judgment. I was going to use move to more conservative jurisdiction. Absolutely. It tends to be more protective

38:39of civil rights. Though also generally speaking in the south, we've seen more protection of religious rights. But in this case, I think that the judges sought pretty quickly that they didn't regard this as a religion that they, you know, a traditional religion that they would normally protect. Exactly. Yeah. We are actually told by victim advocates in Connecticut because of how dangerous my brother has proven himself to be. You need to flee to another state. You're never going to get this in Connecticut. And is he still in Connecticut? Oh, no, he's actually, he's been in Georgia the whole time. Okay. In Fulton County and now in Guinette County. So. So big counties in Georgia, by the way, these are highly populated counties. Yes. Right. We've all heard about Fulton County. It's quite a sight. What year did you publish your book just so we get that on the record? It was at the end of I believe 2020. Let me think about this 2021. I'm trying to remember because it's, yeah. And but yeah, we got the other federal injunction

39:42through the Northern Georgia federal courts. Okay. Okay. We're going to have to take a quick break, but don't go away. We've got Paul at J Buchanan, who's an expert on dealing with cults. Welcome back to Saving America. I'm sitting here at Paul at J Buchanan and expert on dealing with cults. She's got a great book out and she's been very active in seeing if we can improve the legislative process to protect people from harassment. And then what we wanted you to visit on because you caught us up with where we were in our first interview. What you have been working, you know, especially subsequent to the publication of your book on the legislative front to make it easier for you and others who are being harassed by such people to get some help. And so what has happened there? Yeah, just to kind of backstep a little bit when we, back in 2018, when he sued us here the first time, we contacted our legislators and there was already a bill being proposed that would address abusive litigation. And we urge our legislators to join in with that.

40:50We told them our story. And so consequently with our story added into other victim stories, that law was passed to stop abusive litigation and to impose penalties against people such as permanent injunctions and judgments against them. Since that time, we have been trying to address other issues related to like, for example, religious fraud. And there was a couple of years after this that Tennessee passed a law that anybody who gets a mail order ordination cannot perform marriages because that is one of the tactics that a lot of cultists will do is that they get these mail order ordinations. They're really quite ridiculous. And it was very famous when I remember years ago, there was this Korean fellow running around and he did like these mass marriages and stadiums and stuff, the moonies. And so when you mentioned the business about doing the

41:56weddings, I immediately thought of the good old moonies. And of course, a lot of these things, they hit a certain point. And then they fade out as people realize that they're most of them. I don't want to say all of them, but most of them turn out to be something other than what people expected. And of course, the worst of them was Jim Jones. He actually got a group of his followers to because he was being legally investigating the United States moves down to South America, Central America. And of course, resulted in a horrible, horrible situation. But there's certainly quite a number of reports of people who have gone to something kind of regarding it like, oh, maybe this is kind of like going to a summer camp and we'll do some yoga and all that. And then they find out that they can't leave and things like that. So there's certainly been a

42:56lot of abuse of these opportunities you might say to have a gathering of people interested in a particular subject. And it's like you mentioned that one goes away, but there are so many others that crop up. It used to be before the internet. It would take years, sometimes decades, for a cult to get off the ground because mostly the word was spread by word of mouth, sometimes by advertising in newspapers or something like that. But now with the internet, these cult leaders can get followers within seconds, really. And that's the danger of the internet. But yeah, the Tennessee legislature, we have been supporting that. Unfortunately, then they did pass it into law, but it's being challenged legally in the courts. And it's just kind of sitting there. The judges really, I haven't read any, any new updates on that. But you know, some other things that we've addressed is in Tennessee. And I think some other states as well have passed laws that put harsher penalties on clergy when they commit sexual offenses,

44:01either against children or against adults. And of course, I think we've all been reading in the newspapers of the last several years that there have been a statute of limitations that have been extended to child victims of sexual abuse by clergy. You know, whether these clergy are ordained officially through an organization or whether they're self ordained. If they pass themselves off, they call themselves a pastor, or a rabbi, or a guru, or a bishop, or some other type of religious title. And they're operating in that way. Then they are considered clergy. And so if they commit these offenses, then they can face harsher penalties in a state like Tennessee. There's a situation actually in Maravil. They call it Nurville here. I still haven't picked up a Tennessee accent as you can tell. And they have a sort of a charismatic Pentecostal type church that they had, they had school, and they had teachers. And one of the

45:05teachers, at least one of them, was sexually abusing children. And unfortunately, the police department, and apparently some court staff, and maybe including the prosecutor's office, were somehow connected or supportive of this church down in Maravil, Tennessee. And it's now being investigated by the Attorney General's office here in Tennessee, because the perpetrator got a very light sentence, a mere slap on the wrist, which is a stab in the heart of the victims, the children. That is because, and this is where I emphasize, make your voice heard, is that a number of community members and others outside of the community have spoken up and demanded that the prosecutor, the district attorney, and the judge be held accountable for this ridiculously offensive sentence that does not address. This guy still has a teaching license.

46:08It's like that is that is just unheard of. That is just inexcusable. So these are the kinds of things that we are still doing. It is a slow process. I still wish that they would have a clergy authentication law, where nobody can claim to be a pastor or guru or a rabbi without having certification from an accredited institution. And you know, anybody can call himself a pastor. I think that's a wonderful suggestion. And Paul, you touched on something a minute ago, and I wanted you to expand on it as our third point, is you talk briefly about how social media has enabled harassment, but how do you and other victims turn that around and use social media in a positive sense to communicate? Yeah, years ago, we were advised by a number of attorneys to say, look, your brother, because he's out there calling himself a pastor, he's made himself a public figure, a limited purpose public figure. If he's addressing any kind of public issues or

47:14anything else, which he does, that makes him public figure. And for that reason, we can access court documents, police records, which he has plenty of, and publish that for the sake of public interest, to warn people, this guy is not who he portrays himself to be, and that these are the official public records, police records and court records are public, unless deemed otherwise by a judge, they are considered public record. And with that, you can use that to publish information. And far more people are doing that against these religious frauds, these cult leaders, these abusive clergy, sometimes they're in denomination, sometimes they're just free will in it. And that is the important thing to remember that we have a voice, that we have a free speech right to defend our names and reputations, many times it's the tactic of cults to beat down people with defamation, to basically assassinate their character, so that they can appear to be purers

48:20of Germans know themselves. So I was, we did that, we published information on the intern that about my brother, and about anybody associated with him who also aided and abetted him. Now also what has been wonderful is that the U.S. Congress, this is almost unheard of where you have substantial bipartisan support in both the House and the Senate, given our divided times, that's they are, how divisive things are, that we were able to get passed in our legislators, they take it down at, I don't know if you've heard of that, but it has to do with anybody who's publishing information, primarily images, and in such a way that is sexually insulting to the person, whether they are engaged in intimate acts or whatever, or using AI to make them appear to be posing nude and things like this, or doing nude acts of any sort.

49:22And this is actually very timely because I just saw that Senator Ted Cruz here in Texas has proposed a new law that would ban, you know, trashing your former girlfriend and running images, and of course, now you don't even need to have taken a nude picture of your girlfriend, you can just take her face and put it on a nude AI body, and it's gotten really out of control, so I'm not, you know, I'm not endorsing Ted Cruz or not, but I'm just saying that I think that the law on a federal basis I think makes a lot of sense because sometimes I get concerned because the internet is international in a way. I did want to ask you quickly to follow up on that. Are there any particular sites in there? Are we talking Facebook or, you know, is there any particular site that you find is particularly helpful? Because we also have things like next door, like I'm in my neighborhood's next door and things like that, and I didn't know

50:26if you've found a particular set of sites or sites that have been more useful in others for the You know, they all come with benefits, but they also come with risks, and that's just a nature of the beast with the internet. And as you said, it's global. So, I mean, you know, it really is a huge problem with how much can you control? The take it down act, which has now become law, is great, but it's kind of like the federal stocking law. We tried to get that enforced. If you have a US attorney or assistant US attorney who is not willing to enforce the laws, and that's the problem we're seeing in a lot of areas in our country where laws just are not being enforced by the police or by the district attorneys or state attorneys or by the judges themselves. And so that's the crux of the matter. This is a great law. The federal cyber stocking laws were great laws, but can we get

51:26them enforced? And that absolutely. And the only way we can get that done is really put pressure on our judges. In some cases, judges are elected. In a lot of cases, they're appointed, but wherever whatever the case is, we need to make our voices heard that especially if we ourselves have been victimized in this way, we need to make our voices heard. I have dealt with people who have gone through far worse than I have as bad as the situation has been. And I know the despair you can feel when it's like nobody is helping me. My tax dollars are paying for these officials to do their jobs, and they're not doing their jobs. And so I think collectively, victims need to not give into despair, but really utilize anger in a good way and keep persisting. Be that pain in the neck. Be that squeaky wheel. And just keep persisting in insisting that your rights be upheld. And your voice is heard. Thank you so much, Paula, Jay Buchanan. How can our

52:30audience get more information about you, your efforts regarding cults? And of course, your book. My book website is fightingforjusticebook.com. And on that site, there is the more information, but you can also link to amazon.com. You can look up my book, even like in Walmart, or Barnes and Noble. It's sold there as well. And also, we have another site called Stop Abuse of Lawsuits.com. And that includes a boatload of information, a lot of documentation. It is an extensive website, but it backs up a lot of what I wrote about in my book. The Defense Restorator. Pope Leo the 14th is the first American Pope. That's over 2000 and 25 years, folks. Yes, as a lifetime Catholic, I did not expect to hear that the Cardinals elected the first American Pope. That is now true. The consensus responds that this is a very surprising choice. I've not been this surprised since Trump carried all seven swing states in the

53:35popular vote last November. Elected was Cardinal Robert Prevost, who was born in Chicago and attended Villanova University in suburban Philadelphia. However, he spent much of his life as a missionary in Peru. At the time of his election, he was leading the Vatican's office of the bishops, some believe that this position helped his visibility to be the next Pope. At 69, he's considered a younger choice. He's a member of the Augustinian Order. The mission of that order is education and doing missionary work. He took the name of Leo the 14th. Right after his election, he appeared on the lojia of the St. Peter's Square wearing the traditional red cape of the papacy. In his he said in speech, he spoke in Spanish and did not speak any English. I noted some criticism of this by various commentators. On the plus side, several mentioned his obvious charisma. While it seems that the Catholic Church has been struggling, it officially claims that the Catholic population increased by 1.15% between 2022 and 2023, rising from approximately 1.39 billion to 1.406 billion.

54:45Those are some pretty big numbers, folks. Given the world population of 8.2 billion, that means Catholics are an amazing 17% of the world population, and of course, that's not evenly distributed. My social media and saving America broadcasts have cautioned that the incredible level of anti-semitism is only a short step ahead of persecution of the Catholics. I believe both religions need to assert themselves and fight what appears to be a drive to defeat Judeo-Christian values in the world. Even though it's thought that he will not vary too much from the prior Pope, some changes are expected. Some comments that I've heard that he might be a more centrist Pope, whatever that means. I wish the new Pope a long and productive life. I'll allow it. While a deal with the CCP has been announced, I have zero confidence that the CCP will cut off illegal fentanyl supplies that the cartels in Mexico, or will allow more U.S. goods into China. Part of the deal is that the CCP was holding rare earth minerals hostage.

55:47Reportedly, the U.S. has plenty of rare earth minerals. Let's go get them and cut off China completely until the people of China rise up and dump the CCP. The U.S. supposedly made a rare earth deal with Ukraine. While waiting to develop their own supplies, get them from Ukraine and at the same time help them repel the deranged attacks from Putin. Why is the U.S. holding back on critical military supplies to Ukraine? I am clear on this. Support Ukraine. How dangerous is the CCP? A third scientist on the way to the University of Michigan has been stopped at the Detroit airport for sending over illegal biological materials in advance of her visit. This is like a TV drama or a movie, except this is a real thing, folks. So just like the failed negotiations with the terrorists and Iran, nice to say you try to talk it out, but don't trust them. As Reagan said, trust but verified. This session is adjourned. Thanks for joining me for saving America. If you have questions or comments,

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