S9E52: End of summer, sort of

0:00This is the Ron Flatter Racing Pod, Fiat Horse Racing Nation, a weekly digest for horse fans and horse players with guests from around the racing world, sponsored by FirstBet. Now from Louisville, Kentucky, here's Ron Flatter. He finally made it out of August. August slipped away into a moment in time because it was never mine. Swiftees, hello, swiftees. End of summer meets now as we get into September, Labor Day, and at Saratoga, and at Del Mar, the Kentucky Downsmeet Barrel. He started, of course, just the seven days it will be coming to an end. And August's not far out of mind, given some of the things that are still going on with the ripple effect from all the news of last month. So with that in mind, Jay Privman, the retired national writer from daily racing form will

1:04be here with Kentucky Downs in mind, Adrian Beaumont from International Racing Bureau in England, responsible for helping get a lot of those horses over here. He will have a scouting report for us. Mark Midland is in the handicapers rotation. Feedback later on leading changes tend to one upset in the Travers. John Sherven is off. He'll be back next week. Keith Nelson, a fair amount park. He's at his home in Kansas City. And today our guest co-host, we got a special one here, Nelson, from New York, the king of khaki, the sultan of the screen, the man who's been called the Chart Thrab from NBC News and Sports Steve Kornacki. Who came up with Chart Thrab? I read that somewhere, Steve. Oh, Lord, it only knows. I think it was. I think it was Andy D. and Cone. You work with Andy now, right? I have truly no idea where these things come from. And there's probably some names people call me that I don't want to know about that are

2:07out there too. So it is what it is. Not on this podcast. Not here. This is a safe zone, boys and girls. Well, we do have Keith though. So there is that. Have you guys been to Kentucky Downs? Have you been there before, Steve? You know, I've never been. It's one of those places I'd love to see, but no, I never actually made it down there. Now will you be part of the telecast or will you be doing that from afar? How is that going to work on NBC this weekend? No, I am not doing show this weekend, but yeah, NBC is doing it. I think they do it from Stanford, you know, because it's a, you know, sort of a window for the Nashville Derby. And I think maybe one other race, one or two other races. So it's a, it's a bit of a truncated, you know, telecast, but I'm actually going to be a spectator up at Sarah Fogah this weekend. So I'm looking forward to that. Oh, wow. Now what were your thoughts about the upset and the travers last week that I mentioned already? Well, I say I loved Napoleon so much.

3:10Same here in that race. Yeah. And it really kind of played out exactly as I was hoping it wouldn't think it would. And but I did say all week, the horse that scared me was leading change just because he was such a wildcard. Yeah, it's a, it's a move that, you know, Cox doesn't make that aggressively, usually. So clearly he saw something limited starts upside potential. I mean, nothing that I, obviously I didn't use the horse, but I was just, I was scared of kind of the wildcard nature to horse and then sure enough, there we are. You know, in the final strides trying to get Napoleon to finish line and who comes flying in. But number two, shame on people. No Midwest flare for you either none. There's no respect. Well, depressed. And what? Why is that? No, Indiana. In Sarah Toga. Come on. Oh, yeah, that, you know, that's never happened before.

4:13Indiana Derby winners never won the travers, right? Yeah, yeah, fun race though. Wish I got to see it. Well, yeah, we can, that's another matter. Speaking of other matters and Steve, I'll be interested to hear what you thought about August. I mean, we can't let it go. Part of the reason is I don't want to. It's a, it's a hot button topic. People still want to talk about it. People still want to hear about it. This week, Churchill Downs Incorporated asked the Federal Trade Commission to investigate the horse racing integrity and safety authority. This is of course because of the lack of security for all those vet records that Marshall Graham accessed through his owner's license as it were. I don't know if license is the right word, but I'll, I'll use it here in lower case. And then the North America Association of Race Track Veterinarians, the National Horseman is Benevolent and Protective Association.

5:14And the US Trotting Association also have weighed in saying they want the FTC to investigate Hysa. I feel like though, this is, I don't know, Steve, I feel like this is sort of like my Sydney Swini rule of journalism. It's one thing to ask her for a date and that's not news. When she says yes, that would be news. Now Churchill Downs lobbying in a request is a bit like Sydney Swini being asked out by Harry Styles, but nevertheless, I'd still wonder if something's actually going to happen here that will be meaningful to do something about this, the lack of security and just the aftermath of all this. What was your reaction when it all came down? Yeah, I just, I mean, I think we've all seen over the last, you know, a couple of years there's always been from some important stakeholders in the industry. A lot of skepticism to point it mildly towards Hysa. And I think that's in some cases that's only grown in the last, you know, in the last

6:19couple of years as things have played out. So obviously the situation with the whole, you know, Marshall Grand Story, I think, has taken kind of a broader set of concerns that some folks in the industry had. And it's just sort of, it's become a bit of an opportunity to air a lot of grievances with Hysa, a lot of kind of building and pent up grievances with it. To be honest, I am not as well versed on the nuance as other folks are. So I see what you see in terms of, you know, the criticisms that are out there, you have balanced it against the other thing that I see just big picture, you know, is, you know, what was the sort of one of the big reasons for Hysa in the first place, right? It was, it was injuries. It was fatalities. It was trying to improve the safety record of the sport. I would say, you know, that's something you can see over the last five years statistically has improved dramatically. So I know, I know there's, this is a, it's a, it imposes mandates on these tracks. I know, of course, money. I know there's all sorts of, there's all sorts of headaches that come with it.

7:22I mean, there's folks are raising questions about whether it's worth that, you know, sort of whether the juice is worth the squeeze. And then you, you know, you add in the martial grand situation on the flip side, you know, I do, I do think you need to be able to balance it a little bit with the safety record in the sport because, you know, everybody was saying five years ago, right? This has to change or the sport loses its social license. And I think that has changed. Hmm. Wasn't there supposed to be a certain amount of clairvoyance involved? And that's what we're all looking for, but still have yet to witness in what way? Information that is needed for everyone. Well, I don't know about clairvoyance. I would say maybe have it out in the open, have it transparent. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. But that's a whole nother matters to what should be available to us and what shouldn't be and nobody's agreeing on that. And I don't know that you'll ever get an agreement on it, but at the very least, I mean, yeah, should we all have access to those records? Yeah. Should we have had access to the records based on the rules that were set up?

8:25Hell no. But that's where that lies. And speaking of the juice in a different way, I don't think this was the juice you meant, Steve. Al butro all positives for three on-hell carose horses, including one of the Fair Hill five, have been adjudicated by Heisa. And so, carose has been provisionally suspended. This is sort of like being a, what's it? What is it in baseball key for your declared? They're basically going to release you and they declare you, you know, we're not going to sign you that kind of thing. It basically means he's going to get suspended unless somehow he wins the day on an appeal. Al butro by the way, I am told reading from what I've googled relaxes the muscles around airways to make breathing easier. I imagine that would be for the horse. But that's the, that's happened. So Heisa has laid down the law in this case, which I don't know, Keith, what do you see out of all this between Heisa being called to the carpet

9:30and then Heisa calling carose to the carpet? Well, we could pretty much see that in the cards. Could we not? But everyone is innocent. And so, but there was a lot of things going on. I texted you, you texted me and then you started getting all the texts. And I was like, I'm just here just watching in between mowing lawns and going, well, this ain't right. Oh, it's okay. This doesn't look right at all for anyone, but those involved, they certainly put one over and it's going to come to the, into these four race, so to speak, but hey, you know, it happens. And it will continue to happen until, you know, we figure out something that can stop it. Steve, did you think that getting away from elections to get to racing, who was going to be easier? Well, I always say it's, to me, to last, it's a lot more fun, but, yeah, sometimes, sometimes the topics that, that start to dominate the conversation can, can feel as a kind of divisive

10:31and as much as race, some of what you see in politics, to be honest. Yeah. I will say that Jay Pridman, the interview we did actually was a week ago, and it was part of an evergreen interview because we're going to have a bunch of the evergreen shows come up when I'm off. But then when we wandered into talking about August for a show that might not err until October and November or whenever it became obvious, it was going to get outdated quickly. And you could even see around the edges of that with the developments this week. So that part of the interview, we moved up to today. A couple of the things, 15 time group one winner, romantic warrior was retired, certainly known best in Hong Kong, but also one group one races in Dubai and Australia, among other places. So that's a signpost, 38 million dollars in earnings. I got a question. What did he actually get hurt during his one of the, they call him practice runs or trials,

11:33right? And is that where he got hurt or was it a lingering type of ailment? I think it was aggravating something that had been present from his last race, but I think you speak some truth there about how it happened more recently. And I'm doing this off the top of my hat. Steve, did you read any more about it than I am posing this question without notice? Yeah, no, honestly, I learned from you on that when you get to the, you know, Hong Kong racing, I'm less, I am definitely less well versed. I think than you. I know, I know he won a bunch of races and a huge amount of money, but that's about it. That's a name that we will certainly revere. And I know friends like Alex Evers who photographs in Hong Kong, he has a lot of good things to say about romantic warrior. One day, I'm sure we'll have Alex on again. And that name will come up. Friend of the podcast have sympathies for him. Andy Sirling, his mom passed away at age 94. We know pretty much every time he came on the podcast, he mentioned her.

12:38He used to go and visit her all the time all year long, living in Saratoga Springs, even outside of the time of the Saratoga season. So she passed here during the Saratoga summer. So our thoughts are with Andy, our sympathies and our prayers. Coming up, your feedback about the Travers, Mark Midland handicaps this weekend, Adrian Beaumont, previews the Europeans coming in at Kentucky Downs. But first, Jay Privman on the month that was we recorded it last week. If you're betting Kentucky Downs this weekend or even into next week, I want to make sure you know that first bet is the official ADW of Kentucky Downs. That means if you're playing with first bet, you're going to get some favors done for you. Honestly, though, there are a lot of the same favors if you're playing first bet at Del Mar or at Saratoga.

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15:41The Ahorus Racing Nation sponsored by FirstBet. Jay Privman here on the Ron Flatter Racing Pod. We recorded this in August, which was really a rough month for horse racing between the reshaping of the triple crown, which we thought was crisis enough. And then we had the Fairhill 5, which seemed like a crisis if you want to a call to scandal or a crisis or a controversy or whatever you want to call it. And then that was followed by the high set of bet records and Marshall Graham and Jay with a month like horse racing just had. It's almost, I mean, it's difficult to actually see your races through all the smoke. But what's your take on August 2026? Well, we're obviously the incidents that you have brought up.

16:42And I will say this right now about the Marshall Graham Hiesa situation. Because no matter what we find out down the line, I know enough at this point to say this with confidence. Marshall Graham did something idiotic. I'm shocked that he did what he did. I'm shocked that he apparently forwarded the material to other people as well. And I'm shocked that when he was part of a roundtable that was ostensibly brought forth to trouble shoot the issue, he didn't alert the people beforehand that he was in fact the reason that they were having that call and fall on his sword. It was only after they had had that meeting where apparently there were people who were going to be in that meeting who already knew that he was the one responsible for the issue. And they were waiting for him to fess up and he never

17:43did. And all of those things to me reflect very poorly on someone who has done a lot of good for the sport, but really acted incredibly poorly in all in several different instances where he could have been better. That said in addition to that, Hiesa's portal is set up so sloppily. And how the people entrusted with the IT people who set up a system that could be so easily, I'm not even going to say Hatch because Hatch is not as a reward. That's not what it was. Yeah, that's not yet. Yeah, I mean you just needed to change the number of the end of a URL and then there you go. Anybody who would set up something that or and anybody who oversees somebody who would set up something that poor, to me should be fired. That I feel very strongly about that. So Marshall Graham deserves the punishment that he apparently

18:46is going to get. But I think there are individuals at Hiesa who should have lost their jobs. Both can be true. To me, you know, there are no nobody came out of this looking good. And the ways that this happened in terms of what Marshall Graham did and the way in which Hiesa set up their system for it. I'll give you one specific regarding Hiesa that for me. Okay. When this first came out, you'll remember Ron that Lisa Lazarus, one of the first things she said 24 hours into this was there's no way this stuff was accessed through the Hiesa portal. Let me show you that on the record. Exactly. And as we subsequently found out, it was through the Hiesa portal. Someone who's that out of tune with the mechanics of their organization should not be leading that organization. You know, Hiesa has been entrusted with an incredibly important part of this sport. And it has zero. I think the sport has zero confidence in that

19:50organization at the time that we're recording this. Maybe it'll get better. But if I was an end user, I would have absolutely no confidence that the information that is supposed to be protected for the horses that I own is in fact protected. Right now, it's being portrayed that Marshall Graham was the only person who accessed this kind of information. I find it highly unlikely that he's the only person who did something like this who realized what you could do with. And you know, he might be the only person who got caught and he might be the reason he got caught might be because he was forwarding it to other people. But you're not going to ever convince me that nobody else did this. And I'll be interested in seeing if they find others who did this and if they are punished as well. But again, you know, those people, Marshall Graham deserves to be punished. What he did was absolutely wrong. And I think the people at Hiesa, the IT guy who set up such a lame system.

20:57And I said, and Lisa Lazarus who with the comments that she's made and overseeing something like this should not be employed. I feel very strongly about both of those aspects. Let me bring up something that is going to be evergreen and will outlast this discussion. And that is the very question that as bettors and as horse players, should we not have access to this information anyway? That's a whole nother subject irrespective of what played out here. I think if it is. I think if it is perfect world, yes. I know that the Hong Kong is set up so that those types of information, for instance, is available. You know, you would, it would require a wholesale overhaul of the way information is collected and disseminated. You know, in Hong Kong, it's two days a week racing. It's a central organization that does it all. And as you know, in the US,

22:00we don't even have everybody under Hiesa rules, which in some ways might be a good thing. In some ways is not. You know, the idea of Hiesa, I think, is noble. I think horsemen and horse bettors should be operating under the same set of rules in every state all the time. So that part of that I like, the implementation has been horrendous. And in a perfect world, answer your question. I think yes, that type of information would be probably helpful to bettors. I think you would learn that some things are not nearly as important as others. I think right now everybody figures that any vet work done is a negative. Well, that's right. Yeah. You know, having been around the backside for as long as I was working for the racing forum, there's a lot of stuff that's done that just is therapeutic. These are athletes, more to what you would do with a human athlete to maintain fitness, to maintain flexibility,

23:05to maintain suppleness, you know, anything that would help an athlete perform better. But because it's an animal, it needs to be, you know, these are things that need to be documented. And I think it might be illustrative to people to see that like, well, this is something that is done on a regular basis with horses, but it's just therapeutic and it doesn't really matter. And if you're thinking that something being done is going to impact a horse's performance, you might find out otherwise. So, but, you know, the first thing you would have to do is to get a central organization, a competent, a central organization, to collect all that information and disseminate all that information. And as of right now, we don't have that. I agree. I agree. And I did have a trainer tell me actually that, well, a number of trainers have told me in contemporaneous fashion during all this, that they are very aware of how easy it was to

24:06get into the system. And I had one tell me, said, I said, I can guarantee you that trainer X and named a name always injects his horses on the day of the race, always. And the records show it. Now, my first thought was, well, if the record showed, isn't that illegal? And of course, it depends, I guess on what it is of its lay six. Yeah, you can do that. If it's but not computer, all the other but the one that shows up as the B. But it's all of them. Thank you. Thank you very much. Yes. Now, when I heard that, I thought, all right, well, all the more reason to have it out there and all the more evidence that you suggested that Marshall Graham was not the only person who access to these records, not to have access, who accessed these records.

25:06I feel like horse players again are on the back end of all this as the least considered entity in the whole enterprise when horse players of the engine running the damn thing. Well, that's, I mean, that's unfortunately to use the word that you've used to describe this conversation that is an evergreen aspect of phrasing is not taking into consideration horse players as seriously as they need to be taken. But the other aspect of to go back to this Marshall Graham thing and the vet records, the other thing that to me, it has been, we'll be interesting to see what all we end up subsequently learning about this is right now with the information, not being publicly available to everybody and apparently having been accessed by at least one individual, but we strongly suspect he's not the only one. There were, and we know in the case

26:10of Marshall Graham and probably in the case of other people. And I'll be interested in seeing if they ever find this out, who were accessing records of horses that they were thinking of claiming and looking up their lessons and that potentially, potentially puts you at a competitive advantage over others who do not have access to the same information to make the same informed decision that you're making, whether whether you want to drop for the horse or not. And that's not right. Absolutely. Absolutely. Well, Jay Privman, formerly of daily racing form, we recorded this last Wednesday. We'll be hearing again from him in a few weeks in a longer interview. Much obliged. Thanks for being on the Ron flatter racing pod. Well, thanks for having me on Ron. I really appreciate it. We'll get some handy capping advice for this holiday weekend from Mark Midland. We have your feedback looking back on the Travers. But right now, let's check in with Adrian Beaumont. He was

27:15in Nashville or at Kentucky Downs when I called him on Wednesday. See, I don't know now because I'm recording this before that. Gosh, what will I ask him? Where are you? Why are you? Who are you? Well, he's from the International Racing Bureau and he's instrumental in getting a lot of the Europe horses to Kentucky Downs for the big money races. We'll get his scouting report on what's going to happen at the border between Kentucky and Tennessee this weekend. The best tool to have when your handy capping horses is luck, maybe, knowledge. We're certainly heading in the right direction. Information. That's the one you can control. Luck comes and goes. Knowledge you acquire that over time. Information, your hand is on the lever right now. And why not

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29:17on your ROI, doesn't it? Try it out. A horse racing nation pro membership. Again, for just a month, if you like it, if you're winning, you're going to come back for more. If not, well, okay, we get it. Sometimes luck plays a role as well. It's the horse racing nation pro membership available only at PIX PICKSPIX.horse racing nation.com. This is the Ron Flatter Racing Pod. The a horse racing nation sponsored by FirstBet. If Adrian Paul Mod is at a racetrack other than around England, there must be something happening at even most of the racetracks in England. Something must be happening. You're at a something happening at Kentucky down, Adrian. How are you liking it there so far? Well, I love it here, Ron. It's a fantastic race meeting, so different to every other track in the

30:19states. So familiar to us Europeans. I've been here the last two years. We won two consecutive Nashville service. Looking forward to a big weekend coming up. I would think and not for lack of trying because if I count this right, you've got eight that you're brought and nine that you'd be familiar with. You count the one that's in Safi Joseph's barn now. Do I have the numbers right? Well, I counted up my European team for the whole week. I've got 16 horses here for the whole week, two which were two which were already run. I've got another 14 to run. We've got runners on Saturday, Sunday, Monday and Wednesday. Obviously our big days really are Saturday and Monday when we've got the bulk of our good horses. Well, let's talk about Saturday and that's really where I'm going to zero in for this conversation. You have three in the Kentucky turf cup and four in the Nashville Derby and let's take them

31:22chronologically. We can take the Kentucky turf cup first, two million dollar race, three year olds and up, mile and a half. And I guess we start the conversation where we ended last season on the turf at Del Mar when ethical diamonds surprised everyone at 27 to one as Willie Mullins was just taking a whistle stop on his way to Melbourne and walks away with a breeder's cup trophy. This horse no flash in the pan on flat though, having won a group three at Leopardstown last month and three to one on the morning line. And you know, he must mean business when he's got Ryan Morris signed on the horse, right? Yeah, absolutely. No, this was a serious horse. You saw him win in Del Mar. That was a big surprise. I think to everybody Willie included, but the whole ownership group made the trip over to Nashville this year there. They'll all be here, the whole family, H.U.S. Syndicate. Willie himself won't be here, but he's sending us trusted sidekick David Casey,

32:25who often represents him in Australia. David will be here looking after the horse. And yes, I mean, obviously, Dylan Brown at Monaco, who normally rides, he is injured at the moment, but Ryan Moore was already taken the ride even before the injury because Ryan will be here to ride. Causeway later on in the meet in the day. So yeah, Ryan's going to ride him and you'll notice on the on the formal line that he actually rode him last time out when he won the the bali row at group three. So yes, he's I mean, he was he was disappointing in Dubai. He was only fitting the shea McClassic. I would suggest that probably America is slightly calmer waters than Dubai for him. And I you say he's three to one. Does that make him favorite on the morning line? Or where does he start? Actually, it does not. Now, he's going to bring that up because Burnham Square for Ian Wilkes who switched from dirt to turf and has won four in a row, including the Arlington million and is two for two at a mile and a half. Three of those are

33:25graded stakes wins. Brian Hernandez will be riding two to one on the morning line. But he hasn't faced this yet. That's the thing I want to come back to and you and Tiffany's in here from Mark Prescott and Fort George is in here for Ed Walker. I would challenge anyone to find a better field that Burnham Square has faced than he's going to see in this race. If you remember, we did meet with Burnham Square this time last year when he was beaten ahead by Wonderen Allkeye in the Nashville Derby. So he is a horse that we're familiar with. And he is really at the top of the the staying tree in America. We appreciate his good qualities. But no, in ethical diamond and Tiffany, we have brought some pistols to the war. Yeah. Well, Tiffany just won the Ron Prey in Berlin. Before that, if you were going to look for something that stands out just in terms of the resume, I would suggest the third place finished two years ago in the British champion Phillies and Mairs.

34:29Is she the same horse she was then? Is she finding the form in Germany that she used to have? What's your read on her? I mean, she's an old Filippine. She's six. She's owned by a big syndicate of ownership in elite simulator. My race also over here. Yeah, I mean, I was surprised. Samark is a conservative trainer. He doesn't go places without having a big shot. Obviously, he won an arc without, you know, recently for custom rousing. And he is a very, very shrewd trainer. Samark won't make the trip, but his trusty assistant William Butler, who's been a longtime assistant, will be coming over with the elite group. And they're sending over Luke Morris. It was not really a name you'll be familiar with over here. It's unless you follow the European form. But he did win an arc and he's a very, very strong rider. I think he's a rider that will be suited by Nashville because he know Jockey rides more races than him. He's the strongest rider probably in the Jockey Connelly in England. And his action is somewhat

35:35unusual. He rides very elbows out and he looks as though he's flapping a little bit, but he's incredibly powerful and he'll be, and I think he'll give a good race. I mean, the last time Samark had a run over, he brought that very good sprint and marshal to Del Marl for the breeders come. I think Tiffany's probably got it to do against the likes of Burnham Square and Ethical Diamond. But I expected a run of strong race. Or George is in here. And of course, has been over here already for Ed Walker, finished second in the bowling green, losing by a nose to all crazy bone, who's also in this race. What can you tell me about Fort George's form that you could read between the lines on before he got here? Well, he was a decent horse. He's owned by Fittrihei who likes to campaign their horses in Dubai where they have a own there. So he ran really well that may dawn through the winter. And then he's come over here. He, unlike Glacias that we'll

36:37mention later, he stayed over here the whole time. He hasn't gone back. So he got touched off and knows by old crazy bones, written by stable rider Keir and Schumark. This time Schumark is suspended. So they're going to use Jamie Spencer, who is sort of go to ride over here. You know, rides all of these slightly more exotic tracks very well. And unfortunately, you would have seen him entered for the old sword dance and now called the Christoph Clemer. Then he got a little bit of a foot niggle on the down. And it was a late, not sure if you want to stay scratch if they call over here. He was a late, state scratch, but Ed told me that he was sounding in the very next day and was very frustrated that he couldn't run him in the Christoph Clemer. So he's shipped him down for Saratoga for the run and he's going to head back up to Saratoga. Well, I think he's going to stable at Saratoga with an eye on the bell, what turf classic. So he's having a bit of a summer. He's one of those horses. He's probably not good enough to be running in

37:41grade one. So grade two is in England, but he's good enough to be in a shed load of money over here. Again, I think on ratings, he's 20 pounds. What's he? I mean, I think what diamond is 118? And this horse is only 111. So he's got about six some pounds to find on form. I think if they can finish 34th, I think I'll be happy enough with him. And what's your lean? Do you have a tip here on this race? I think we've got to go with ethical diamond. I think he's the best horse in the race, or in train by a genius, or in by the best jockey in the world right now. So at the price you mentioned, if it's not even favor, I'm going to go with ethical diamond. Ryan Moore is going to ride the aforementioned causeway in the one and a quarter million dollar Nashville Derby. This is for three year olds going a mile and five sixteenths. Adonal Brian Trains. This is the king Edward winner from Royal Ascot, who finished seventh last out in the Grand Prix de Paris. Otherwise,

38:45this horse is five for six if you throw that one out. Does the race go through him? Yeah, I mean, he's a very strong candidate. I mean, the last race was a real clunker, and you have to be slightly worried about it. But he's been building up in trip. He got recognised. He started this season in March at Nays over seven. He then went to the Curum, a listed race over a mile. He then went to the Curum on a grade three over ten. And then he took into Royal Ascot, as you just mentioned, and won the king Edward VII, which is what we call that colloquially the Ascot Derby. It's basically four horses who maybe weren't quite good enough to run in our Derby, but once we're going to go to. And he won that beating-holes-grade Egypt and neck in a real tough driving finish. He went to the Grand Prix de Paris, which is it's not the French Derby, but it's basically the French Derby trip at a mile and a half. And he ran terribly that day. I think if you throw that form out, you can justify. I mean, if he hadn't run there,

39:47you'd be saying he's a very short price favourite. But I would imagine that rum will keep his price up. He is five to two as the favourite on the morning line. And by the way, let me make sure you're aware if you're just glancing at names and programs and such. This is Causeway number six about whom we are speaking. Not Royal Causeway number one, who bears no resemblance to 20 to one comes from here in the US. So we're talking about Causeway for a different friend. Very confusing. In England, if you were writing out a best bit and writing the horses name down, that's of course a confusing thing. I could have matched you. I've been- I've been- I've been- sometimes reading those bookmakers notes, it's like reading a doctor's prescription sometimes. You could do- Yeah, yeah, but it's something no interesting causeway. And for Ryan, who's got a- he's got a hurry back, he's got a private plane organised to game himself to JFK, and then straight on to our Paris. We're writing on our Trials Day on Sunday. So he- That's right, yeah. And the fact that Ryan is making the big effort to come over here and ride and luckily the post-times are quite fortuitously

40:52early over here, the National Derby due to go for 36. So hopefully we can get him back to Paris on time. That would be central time, by the way. If you're setting your watch by that. You mentioned Glacius, Hugo Palmer will train, he's using Luis Sayez. One of Saratoga Derby, last out in a mile and three-sixteenth. So stretching now, and that was a nine to one win. Now there's faith in that form holding because he's showing it four to one on the morning line. Yeah, well, he running against older horses in the starstakes, the race- this one, the garland stakes before that at Sandown Park, he running against olders. And then he- he went over there, and it was a big run of the dice for Mr. Arapt, she descended him over for the Saratoga Derby. We were just hoping to get a slice of the money, and as you can see with Luis Riding, he won the race, you know, and he's upwardly mobile. There's some very strong quotes from Hugo Palmer about the race on racing post saying that the horse is taking a long time to come to himself through the spring,

41:52and now he's really going forward. He decided to ship him home after Saratoga. I think the reason for that was he didn't want to leave him in America where he could maybe go over the top and not be on the Hugo's control. So he flew him home, and then he's come again. It's very easy to get here in that you fly from East Midlands Airport, in Nottingham, Shia, straight out to Cincinnati, you quarantine at Churchill Downs, and actually the horses are still at Churchill Downs. They will only going to ship in here to confect you downs on Friday morning after their last exercise. So they won't actually get to go around the track with the exception of Gostam, who we could mention is the German runner. He's already here. He exercised for the first time around the track here in Franklin, Kentucky. Gostam, six to one for Andres Volar with Antonio Frisou up coming in from California, and you got Neil Boagandua for Joseph O'Brien with Ben Curtis, another US-based writer coming in, called by American Farrow. Both showing his longer shots

43:00in the program. Would we be too hasty in fading them? Or do you think... I think that's just a fireball runner. Gostam is a decent horse. He's raced 112. I think on European ratings, he's the highest of rages of the group. He did show good form in the spring. He won a race called the Bavarian Classic, which is a grade two. But he then flocked in the French Derby, which was a very good, for our best classic race. And then he got very sick apparently and ran terribly in Hamburg in their own Derby. So they told me that horses are fully recovered. He's here. He's training on the track. Andres Volar was a very strong, very good trainer. So I'd be surprised if he were to win, but it's a good operation and I wouldn't be surprised if he runs really well. Neil Boagandua, he was first out of blocks. They've been keen to come here way, way, way ago. Probably may time they were keen to come here with this horse. American Obrea's thoroughbreds. And he's a nice horse. He won his race at Garren Park last time out

44:05over 12 foot long. So he's looking to be a stamina horse, Neil Boagandua, and he's engine in the Melbourne Cup over two miles. So he is possibly going to need every yard of this trip. You don't handle green sense anymore. Not sure you ever did at all, but was with Joseph O'Brien before moving to Safi Joseph Jr. She'll make her US debut in the music city, the grade two, one and a half million dollar race. It's a sprint for three-year-old Philly's going six and a half furlongs. This was a group two winner on soft going at Shantee. Siphair is the heavy favorite here at six to five coming off a win in the coronation cup on yielding at Saratoga five for seven Philly. Any scouting report you can give us on green sense who's no better than 20 to one in the program? No, I mean obviously we know Siphair very well. I'm very disappointed she didn't make it over to Alaska where she was nominated. So I really hope for my good friend George Weaver that she

45:08can do the business here with Johnny V. Up. But no, green sense. I mean, I'm not as familiar with her because we haven't seen her very much, but she did have a last start at Royal Asker in the Jersey Stakes where she was fourth. And actually in that race the horse that was second take charge star is actually here in Kentucky because he's going to run in the Franklin Simpson on Monday the six and a half furlong race for boys. So the boys are crimped with the music city take charge star. So the second and the fourth in the jersey. The jersey is a seven furlong grade three. Probably the best grade three that we run all year in England. One by a very smart horse in the secret adversary who could be a breeders cup mild contender. No, I mean that that form is pretty solid throughout and there's obviously been bought off some of the near and Isaac Swade specifically for a American campaign by boy racing. Anybody else who will be outside the sphere of the Saturday stakes I've mentioned? Well, no, I mean, I mean on the Saturday that's pretty much what we have.

46:11The other big big day that we have is the Monday as I say we have take charge star. I really fancy the Franklin Simpson. He with having run an absolute grade race that Royal Asker in the jersey then was fourth in a grade one against older horses called the Morrister Geese to over six to the half in Dovee a couple of weeks ago. So I think here I don't know what price he'll be for the Franklin Simpson. But I really fancy him and we have a couple of good old boys running the mint millions this year. Hasom once a classic horse he was second only beating the head in Aguene is in third in the in the Irish Guinness. He's lost a little bit of form. He won the warped in the Asker last year. He runs the mint brilliance for Richard Harlan and he takes on a horse that everybody will remember called Factor Shaval. He was a grade one winner. He won a Dubai turf back in 2024. He was second in the grade one in Saudi this year. He's stepping back in trip. I think Barry Irwin, a team banner of decided to try and regroup and take him back over a mile knowing it's a very stiff mile here. So

47:13I'm hoping for a really good run from those two old boys in the mint millions on Monday. What kind of a run is Adrian Beaumont giving Nashville? Well, there are a couple of beers on the rooftop bar and that was very pleasant. I'm looking forward to my compadre is they start to arrive tonight the rest of the horsemen. So yeah it's going to be interesting. Particularly interesting that we're also actually training at church also. They're not actually training where I am but I'm going to see Gostam train. I may be walking up. I've got a nice big suburban which I might fill with owners and trainers and taking to Louisville on Friday to watch their horses exercise. Oh okay. It's a little toasty here this week. Very toasty. We very nervous. I mean we know with thank goodness. On usually we won the gold cup race the two mile and half furlong race here this time last year with Flatton the curve. Unfortunately I wasn't able to get any horses to come here. The lure of the Melbourne Cup race you're very familiar with. I'm taken away all of Joseph O'Brien's hot pots for that race. So we've had a very dry summer in England. We found

48:16I know it's the accounts of another race meeting because the ground was too firm. You know this is something unusual. We're used to in America you cancel racing for soft ground. We cancel racing for firm ground. So yes it's very very it's been very very dry basically from from the Derby to York. We had knocked drop a rain. York got very wet but I looked off to Baccio and all the connections there. It was great. Unfortunately Wesley didn't make trip but it was great to see him and Blake and the team. They came across and it's it's fantastic that you guys have got a truly great sprinter in Baccio. We look forward to seeing him at the breeder's cup. Yeah no doubt about it. No doubt about it. And the weather will I'm sure be cooler at Keanland in late October than it is in Franklin Simpson Caldwell. I'm told it should be better on Saturday so hopefully by Saturday what you might call the big day we should have shall grey see I'm really impressed by the way that National of Flip the weekends around so that they make the second weekend is such a strong weekend now.

49:19We know we had a fourth of Richard Hughes on on last Saturday in the Phillies turf sprint but you know this Saturday and Mondays that is the big weekend for us. There's a quirk of the calendar because there are were five weekends in August so this meet the Kentucky Downs meet overlapped Saratoga and Delmar completely whereas in most years the calendar allows for one free week that is away from those two meets so this year Kentucky Downs did not have that benefit but looking at these fields it seems none the worse for where. No I think the field sizes are good and actually it's made it slightly more comfortable for us because I know for example Joseph has sent a couple of two year olds over the juvenile mile on next Wednesday and we were nervous about whether they were going to get in or not but they both have made the cut I think they're only being 12 inches so races that historic would overfill happened over the field but they're going to be still strong big size fields I mean if you look through the fields there's double figure fields

50:19in virtually every race so that's what the punters want but it also means that my Europeans got a shot around so that's good as well. Excellent, excellent. Always good to talk to you. Thank you. Are you coming this way for the weekend or are you facing where? I travel a lot less now in my older years so that drive is just maybe a I don't say a bridge too far but maybe a meadow too far but that doesn't mean I won't again at some point I'm just this not this year just not this year. That's a great place to be. That's true but I hope that for you listeners coming here back in a few winners. Excellent Adrian Beaumont from the international racing bureau by way of England in Nashville he's going to be at Kentucky Dounce thank you for being on the Ron flatter racing pod with my pleasure. Your reaction to what happened on the dirt at Saratoga last weekend when leading change was an upset winner in the Traverse Keith Steve and I will field some of your feedback

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54:27No stay indoors because I've seen you that that'd be white. Yeah well yeah indoors isn't a bad idea especially if it is as long as the power is working cross your fingers for the grid. Go off for the run early right earlier late preferably or run I'm sorry what was that word? That's lost track of that word about 15 years ago clearly. I'll leave someone's chasing you. Yeah that's the I remember a friend of mine who I would go out for a run when we would go on a road trip or something like that and I'd go out for a run in the morning and he would say that the only way I'd go out for a run someone's chasing me well now I'm that guy. Welcome to old age. Spin away let's start there the grade one for two-year-old fillies proving ground at Saratoga it will be the 11th race and by the way sunny and 75 sounds really nice at Saratoga on Saturday. Eight of these fillies are entered for the 545 post-time summer starlet two to one for Steve

55:28Asmison with Ricardo Santana Jr. up she is by City of Light and won her debut by six and a half lengths but in these two-year-old races Mark why do I have a feeling you're not leaning into the favorite well I mean it's a really interesting race right and there's a lot a lot of good fillies here from you know getting off to a good start in their career. There's a lot of speed in here and with summer starlet I just get the feeling that maybe she's a little bit dressed up from that first race they went really fast early and then she just kind of you know cruise passed everybody and looked like you know a champ in the second coming. I mean she's not a toss by any means but I was going to try to go in a different direction. I thought the eight life-changing for top pleasure the life is good filly. I ran a really strong race all the way through and assuming they can rate I would think you know Flavin Pratt could you know take her off a little bit

56:33I think she could be really tough as you know the second price and then I thought it really interesting was the four stretch relief for Ken and LaRose and I know you talked to him and I mean this horse has come off the pace twice in a row with nice wins and so if there's a ton of speed I think the four could be a nice factor and that's probably your price you could you could go eight four or you could go two four or or even just play the four to win. I like it stress relief Ken and LaRose we were comparing notes he went to Sacred Heart University in Connecticut after I was living there but I knew his head coach I used to socialize with his head basketball coach he played Anthony Latina and we were I was like hey wait you played for Anthony Latina and I go is he still married to Jody who used to be on TV on channel like that and we were just like old home week in that sense so the world shrinks ever again and yeah I've kind of become a Ken and LaRose fan off of one conversation with him this week that I wrote about at horse racing

57:37nation so yeah all right so stress relief kind of your play but if you were spreading in this race horizontal you're would you go sing or what would you do if you if you're going multi I'm gonna lean towards the four and eight if you want to play it safe two four and eight all right now let's get to four stakes at Kentucky Downs where the forecast says it will be 96 Saturday with maybe a thundershow or 20% chance of that yeah scalding relief for you on the line between Kentucky and Tennessee Simpson County seventh eighth ninth and tenth races are on the books for mark this will be a mile and a half we'll start with on the turf of course it's all they run on there the Kentucky turf cup invitational grade two worth two million dollars for three year olds and up ten are in and the morning lines has Burnham Square two to one oh it wasn't that long ago this was a dirt runner well now this is a really good turf runner for Ian Wilkes with Brian Hernandez riding and

58:40of course he rode to victory in the Arlington million that's four in a row by the way for Burnham Square the four-year-old gilding by Liam's map but two to one I don't know at one point I have to be hit and they had to be completely sold on Burnham Square but I also think maybe this is the toughest race he's faced on turf yet since maybe last year's Nashville Derby yeah it is a tough race and the thing that struck me here I mean obviously he's such a name horse he's at such a great year so far and then you've got ethical diamond the breeders cup you know winner in there and if you can get around those two is a really nice opportunity so kind of that's where I started and I found a couple things I liked and I wanted to go to the outside of the ten horse fort George that you know he came into the bowling ring at Saratoga a couple months ago off of a layoff had racists Dubai and now he's coming in here second off a layoff kind of had a tough trip

59:44in that he was wide the whole time there's not a ton of speed in here so you know he might be a horse that could you know sit in a good spot and I just thought like you're going to get a really nice price of 92 but if they bet Burnham Square an ethical diamond down you might get more than that and then the one Tiffany comes in from race in a new market and then in Germany and group two group one a second to win and just looks like a really strong European horse that I think you you know you want to use and I'm just going to look at this as price plays I mean I think you could maybe put all four of them in a hat and you know why not take the two with the bigger prices but honestly I do like the ten and the white trippy's got I want to see what he can do against these and the the ones a little unknown you know ethical diamonds a nice horse but I mean is he really prepped for this because this is a prepped for the breeder's cup and you know and when he won the breeder's cup kind of the stars aligned because they just ran a you know smoking pace and

1:00:48he just kind of came from last right and 27 to one doesn't suggest that it might have been anything more than a fluke although he did win last out in a group three at leper's town but in between off the board and by then some in some pretty tough company including royal ask it so you know which ethical diamond shows up and does it depend on the setup and all that but yeah all right so keep an eye on the book ends is what you're telling me in this race right yeah yeah the a-traces the grade two Nashville Derby three million dollars for these three year olds going one and five sixteenth miles that's basically one lap around the rolling swaying spinning turf at Kentucky downs twelve are entered number six causeway five to two for aid no Brian and Ryan Moore and I goodness you you hear those two names and you see all the black type coming in from England for him was a winner royal ask it in the king Edward the seventh last out the Grand Prix

1:01:49to Paris seventh place finish there dead last five to two morning line for causeway mark yeah it's interesting and then I was just looking at Ryan Moore you know on ethical diamond but did he come for causeway or did he come for ethical all he came for causeway maybe he'd made no doubt about that yeah yeah no for sure yeah I mean I'm not going to go against aid no Brian I thought you know um you got to use him but I was going to use other locals I really liked the eight fancy sailor for Brian Lynch and I thought he ran a good race um there's three of them in here that'll come out of this prep at Ellis Park fancy sailor royal causeway in black male but I thought he ran the best race he won and I would play him back and give him a small shot to win against causeway all right let's get to race number nine the grade two Kentucky downs ladies turf one and a half million dollars for these fillies and mayors going one mile eight are entered

1:02:52the number two classic cue from mark Cassie with John Velasquez up the four to five morning line favorite coming off back to back wins in the de staff turf mile at church Hill downs and then in the just a game at Saratoga of course the weeks of the Kentucky Derby and Belmont stakes respectively no small task to win those two races what do you think about this particular race I thought this was a great race very interesting um classic cue a four to five I mean you know understand that and and and you know coming off but two really nice wins but uh and my thought here was that it looks like on paper there could be a lot of speed you know Johnny V you'll get the two out he's really good at that but you've got a little bit of speed on the inside from I mean maybe maybe not from blessed the broken with flantcheroo you've got Luis Ayaz on the seven rosh me who's got some speed

1:03:54you've got Axel Concepcion on the A with buttercream yeah he's got you know maybe not a ton and then you've got Joe Bravo coming from Delmar on the six of princess mokjay and the reason I say there's this is like all it's going to take is one of those riders to really send here or you know Kentucky Downs has been playing to speed a little bit you know get a couple winners early in the day on the lead and if somebody couple these go at classic cue I think I think this horse is going to be vulnerable so my thought was I really loved the three uh vivu vivu vivu vivu for just sharp and how's there are teas obviously been hot this horse with greatness prep at Ellis and then I would also use the forehand moon for saffy joseph but like like the three a lot more all right and that brings us then to the tenth race the grade two music city this is for three year old fillies

1:04:56going six and a half furlong sprinting one turn on the turf 12 plus four also eligible's overflow field then number one sigh fair six to five favorite for George weaver again john Velasquez is up coming off of two consecutive wins in the mammzel and in the coronation cup at Churchill and Saratoga respectively one of them on firm going one of them on yielding there's your favorite in the field of uh twelve and then some mark yes I fear of is I mean what a great horse at popper seven lifetime and uh you know six to five on the morning line so there's you know no bones about where she stands in this field I mean my thought was the opportunity here's the your play the European the four green cents uh i guess is now in saffy joseph barn um but horse that was you know royal ascot was fourth out of a sixteen horse field and in a group three that week and uh at eighty to one

1:06:00at eighty to one yeah yeah yeah yeah comes here third off the layoff and uh you know the way the Europeans uh have come in it been coming in and winning at Saratoga um and this horse is 21 morning line I think you you got to play it play it to win play it an exact under sigh fair you know um one four and and play the four to win and uh and use both in the the horizontal there you have it marks picks for five stakes for at Kentucky Downs and of course the one for those two-year-old fillies at Saratoga which brings us of course mark you know what comes here I ask you for a plug I always talk about the the super screener and uh Mike study does such a great job on it going through these stakes and separating and looking at the trends and how these tracks are playing and how the stakes are playing and uh it's just a invaluable tool for playing uh the big races every weekend and I would never play without it and uh it's uh plus he breaks down uh you know

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1:08:08it is pretty cool great races shaping up you'll be by the pool you're going to be all white either clothed or uncloed or you're going to be indoors you're going to be bathing in an ice bucket something like that this weekend you know i don't know i might make the trip down a Kentucky down so i went down there sunday had a great time and uh you know it's it's a great atmosphere down there lots of fun so i'm kind of i'm kind of on the fence so kind of a coin flip right now you're looking to hobnob i think that's what you're wanting to do is hobnob yeah don't i mean there's just uh i don't know it's it's a it's a fun place it's a great atmosphere to take on races if you've never been you should you know maybe not this year but for anyone that hasn't been a Kentucky dance put on your calendar for next year it's it's a lot of fun there's nothing quite like it no doubt about it you got to go that's that's one of those things bucket list tends to be an overused phrase but this one you got to put it there if you're a horse racing fan of any type from anywhere

1:09:10from Louisville it's just a couple hours and we get a bonus on the way back we got a buckies that's right oh god i love buckies god i love buckies and no they're not a sponsor of the Ron flatter racing pot maybe they ought to be who's their marketing person let's get them on the blower right now all right mark much obliged hey let's go back to the traverse last we can get some of your reaction and feedback Keith steve it i have that next this is the Ron flatter racing pot the a horse racing nation sponsored by first bet so leading changes tend to one upset in the traverse not only cost me money by that half length that kept me from caching with Napoleon solo but it also fueled this week's feedback and see i for one am thrilled when a horse comes out of the clouds to win a big race against the other highly touted horses great for horse racing the puma was my pick i guess i'll have to give up

1:10:13on him s h i thought Napoleon solo was going to hang on and captain obvious here but i think it's time to drop oh celi in class a bit maybe he needs a confidence boost la it was an admittedly rare bad ride by hosey or tees on third place golden tempo i think the layoff and the days lost didn't help i look forward to a rematch w a not feeling this is the best crop of three year olds this year they do not appear to be consistent in their races and disappoint on race day right now they'll need to step up their game if any run in the breeders cup classic c l every single year people say the same thing the three year old crop is weak it's gotten comical this is a good crop this is evident by horses beating each other in big races ignore the buyers trust your eyes j b what an evenly matched group i think we could run this three or four times get a different result every time right now the leader of the three year old division is anglishment yeah one the alan jirkins a d thanks to match shiftman and brian zipsy from horse center for pointing out leading changes the value play

1:11:16by put a win bet on him then i chickened out and changed the wager to play show as they say that's racing any any second thoughts we've already talked about the race jence but as far as looking forward and the context of this race in the three year old division estebe what do you think yeah no look i mean that's that was part of the reason leading change that said i said scared me as i was looking at the race with the idea that no one in this three year old division you know really had stepped up i mean obviously golden tempo winning two thirds of the triple crown but nobody stepped up with that real body buyer or you know i i think that performance that really i think you know separated them as the standout of the crop and um you know i mean again golden tempo winning both of those races but winning both sort of as a deep closer um you know i i had plenty of skepticism there and i think that was that was shared a lot of folks as well so part of part of you know what scared me about leading change was just the possibility that this horse might be different you know had not been out there on the triple crown trail had not

1:12:18really been tested and that there might be more upside with this horse than the others who now bet around the block a little bit as three year olds and i think that that might be a bit of what we saw now we'll see i'm in a staseminger that that that that that i it just was an interesting moment i thought i was i was in the the paddock right before the the travers somebody came up to me and said you said mark my words your majesty in ten minutes um leading change is the next arrogant and the idea of of maybe a bit of a late developing you know late emerging star and i i think is what was meant there and i kind of said yeah whatever too and then you know goes when the wins and traverse and so i i yeah he's the one coming out of it i wonder just um yeah more than the yet yet sure you could run the race again and baby somebody else wins it but is is leading change the one now that's only three starts you know is is is is there going to be another step forward the next time out could is the is there is there more of

1:13:18an upside more the ceiling going forward with this than anybody else in the class right now i guess that's the possibility when you're made in especially not that he is but oh celi will remain in made in tell it put him in a made in race by a concept i think that horse from indiana has the old adage well he hasn't he hasn't done anything wrong and that's what it is you know well back in little league his little league is somehow on he has been all the time now what was and like if you're a ten year old plan with you know the twelve and thirteen year olds you know you don't know any better you just kind of react and that's what that horse seemed to have done and i think i can see the arrogant type of thing going yeah let's cool the jets on that until he can you know take all kinds of dirt in the face but i i think it was just a very well done uh training job by Brad Cox again placing that horse where it belonged and uh just good on him

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